The Old Order
I can remember a time back in the 1980s when I would visit my mother for a weekend and she’d insist my brother and I go to her church on Sundays. At this point in her life she was very much an Evangelical Christian. I would go with her because my mom’s side of the family had always been the religious side, and that was just part of who my mom was. I did have a basic faith in God and Christianity at the time, but my father was a card carrying atheist (and nominal Unitarian) for his whole life, so I had a pretty eclectic religious education when I was a teenager.
My father was a skeptic by nature and a lot of my own questioning nature was indirectly influenced by him. I can remember going to my mom’s church and suffering through the worship music to get to the sermon. I actually enjoyed the sermons because they gave me something to chew on intellectually. Not that the 15 year old Rollo was much of a thinker at that time, but I always had basic questions for these guys after the speech. When I got a bit older, in my early 20s, I started wondering who these ‘pastors’ really were as people and what made them qualified to deliver sermons. I really wanted to talk with these guys, but doing so meant I had to sit through their hard sell about how Jesus had saved them from themselves. I always thought this was kind of silly considering most of these guys weren’t much older than me. How hard a life could these guys really have lived by 25?
Most of these pastors weren’t used to was really having to engage much with their congregations beyond what was required of them to maintain appearances. I don’t mean that they were inaccessible; most of them had something outside of church that kept them involved with people. It’s that prior to the internet the way a pastor, or a church, did business usually centered on a man delivering a message (presumedly inspired by God) and then shaking hands with the faithful after the sermon was over as they filed out the door. End of sermon. End of discussion.
If you wanted to talk about the sermon, or, heaven forbid, criticize the interpretation or message in some way that was a conversation relegated to your family, or perhaps a home group discussion. Assuming you even were in a home group or had a few peers you could discuss it with, you always risked running afoul of someone whose ego-investments in his/her faith would put them on edge by questioning it. The old order of religion, not just Christianity, used to be based on respecting the man delivering that message as God’s ordained spokesman, or reading whatever book he might’ve published, processing it yourself or with a handful of other believers, sussing things out and waiting for the next message on the next Sunday. There was very little engagement about articles of faith or doctrine unless you were a guy on the inside.
All of this changed with the advent of the internet and the globalization of mass media and communication.
Today, there’s hardly a pastor (mainstream or obscure) who doesn’t have a blog or a YouTube channel on which he (or she) contemplates his last/next sermon. In the 80s-90s even the most introspective religious leader would have only a handful of people to bounce ideas off, but today a sermon is almost focus grouped before the guy walks up to the pulpit on a Sunday. Meanwhile, that same pastor is engaged on two or three social media accounts discussing everything from religion, to politics, to praying for his favorite NFL team to make the playoffs.
The old order of how religion was done has given way to a new, globalized process of how we do religion. Today anyone, believer or not, has access to that pastor on a moments notice. Didn’t like the message? Thought the interpretation was inaccurate? You can tell him on his blog’s comment thread or fire off a tweet to start a discussion about it before he can even drive home from church.
This is the age of globalized engagement – and this new paradigm is fundamentally altering old order institutions. What the Guttenburg press did for religion by publishing the Bible for the masses, now the internet has done for the old order way in which people can engage with the process of their beliefs – and not just religious belief.
The New Enlightenment
February of last year I wrote an essay about the Global Sexual Marketplace. In that post I described how globalization isn’t just about economics or demographics – globalization also applies to intersexual dynamics. Gone are the days when a young man or young woman could expect to meet one of the handful of eligible, single people in their high school, small town or limited social circle to pair off and start a family with. In the old order young people were stuck with the choices of a limited Local sexual marketplace. Today, with our instant, robust forms of communication, a worldwide sexual marketplace has now opened up the romantic prospects of virtually anyone with a smartphone and an internet connection. Don’t like your prospects in your hometown? Now there’s a whole world of men and women waiting to meet you. The old order of intersexual dynamics has fundamentally shifted and all in less than 20 years.
The rapidity of this shift is what I believe is at the root of the problems that surround the new way of doing the old order institutions. As a global society we are still reluctant to let go of the falsehoods of those old order institutions; even in light of the new order evidences and data collected as a result of this unprecedented access. While we attempt to reconcile our old order beliefs with what a global information network confronts them with, we cling evermore tightly to what we thought we knew because it formed the foundation of who we are. And as we try to make sense of it we are presented with both true and false narratives that pander to the fact that this information and technology is progressing at a rate that most human beings’ minds were never evolved to keep pace with.
My good friend Aaron Clarey (Captain Capitalism) recently published a tour de force article on women entering into and dominating most of the future of Corporate America, and how men ought to welcome this change. It’s a great post, so definitely go read the whole thing, but after I’d finished it I was struck with the idea that what Clarey was on to was describing an old order institution (Corporate America) and how we still perceived it from an old order understanding. On the surface it seems counterintuitive to think of women assuming authority over what was the Male Space of Corporate Culture as a good thing. Cap was being facetious for the whole thing, but his point was really this: women have coveted the reigns of Corporate America for a long time now, but their feminist thirst for power (Fempowerment) is based on an old order understanding of what Corporate America really is, or will eventually become. Like a debutant late to the party, the status and prestige that the Feminine Imperative sells women to believe is inherent in Corporate America is all old order bullshit. So, yeah, have at it ladies. The information age has stripped back the curtains on the Corporate America you assumed all that student debt to participate in.
Academia is another area in which this old order vs. new enlightenment understanding is taking place. Prior to 2000 if you heard a particular professor had a reputation for being tough, you had to get it from a third party. Today we have rate-the-professor.com or something similar. Now you can see how well a teacher performed from students who took their classes from a decade ago.
GlassCeiling.com is an aggregate of current and ex employees rating the work environment of damn near any company today. Yelp.com does something similar to a businesses performance. And as a result most of these companies hire specialized personnel to maintain their online reputations – and this is the paranoia that comes from presuming old order impressions of a company are relevant in a new order paradigm.
Analog Thinking vs. Digital Thinking
“In the future, everything that can be digital will be digital.”
I’m not sure who originated this quote, but I can remember it being tossed around in graphic design circles as early as 1993. Back then the print industry was transitioning to a digital way of production. Adobe Photoshop was at version 3.0 (when I started using it) and QuarkXpress was revolutionizing pagination for pretty much every publication at the time. The writing was on the wall. I was fortunate to be coming into my career on the cusp of the old order traditional ways of creating ads and publications (stat cameras and pasteup galleys) and learning their digital equivalents in design applications. I had to get real good, real quick, not only in terms of understanding the hardware, software and networking, but also in using it to create effective, creative, advertising. A lot of my contemporaries struggled with this transition. My mentors in design were old school designers. They taught me a lot with respect to effective advertising and design, but they couldn’t teach me the new tech that was changing every 6-8 months. Whereas in the old order a design agency only focused on print media and employed a full complement of professionals for each aspect of production (photography, typography, pasteup, pressmen, etc.) now I was responsible for all of these jobs and more to come as the internet opened up more new media to desktop publishers like me.
I had to get real good, real fast, and maintain my creative edge all while expanding into more and more new areas and methods of producing what I do. The old order designers either adapted or went extinct. Since the early 90s this narrative has played out across countless professions and trades. I can remember listening to Lars Ulrich from Metallica complain about how Napster’s peer-to-peer file sharing of MP3s was going to be the death of the music industry. The old order musicians weren’t ready to accept the realities of “everything that can be digital will be digital”.
Analog business models, analog thinking, that have formed the basis of who we are as a society are still in place today. In some ways we can force-fit those old order ideas into our new order digital reality, but eventually that old order thinking reveals its age. College professors, church pastors, your 9-5 corporate American cubicle supervisor, the self-help guru you think has some sort of relevance, the old pop psychologist whose heyday was in the last millennium, all these personalities and an endless number more are all struggling to stay relevant against the information that the new order of 2020 confronts them with.
It’s not that these people are luddites. They embrace the technology and the new means of disseminating their craft, their ideas, their ideologies, in the digital age. It’s that their thinking is still mired in the analog age – an age in which ideas were formed on information that was limited to what generations that came before could gather with the means they had available to them then. The ideas of an analog age are what we’re presently trying to force-fit into the new understanding presented to us by this digital age. We enjoy the luxuries, sensations and entertainment that the digital affords us, but we immerse ourselves in it without realizing how our old order thinking defines why we enjoy it. Our analog selves, the product of millennia of evolution, still defines what our digital selves are without realizing the dangers inherent in our engaging with it. As such we get digital addictions – pornography, social media, ‘engagement’ – and we make our analog selves dependent on a digital economy.
How many YouTube content producers rely on their ’side hustle’ revenue to pay their bills today? How many self-published authors have quit their day jobs to write for their new employer, Amazon, today (Amazon owns 86% of the publishing market today). How many former cubicle workers decided it was more lucrative to start an internet business than continue slaving away at a corporate gig that only made their bosses rich? Today, we’ll readily shift to the digital world to sustain us financially – in the end we don’t have much choice – but it’s the old order thinking that pervades this new “reality” and causes problems.
The number one way that couples meet, since 2005, is online. Via Tinder or Match or other net based ways. Gone are the days of boy-meets-girl, eyes fixed on the other across a crowded high school gym dance floor. Gone are the days of meeting your “bride” at church camp. Those are old order romanticisms, and ones that we still want to force fit back into our new order reality. We think in analog, but we live in digital.
Barriers to Entry
Another thing I did at age 15 was play a lot of guitar. My teenage, MTV fueled, mind really had a love for music. The heavier the better. But the barrier to becoming a “Guitar God” like my heroes was something that was very prohibitive at that time. If you wanted to get good; good enough to actually get a band going, you had to seek out a guitar instructor at the local music store who hopefully shared your taste in music. Beyond a once-a-week, 1-hour lesson, you had no other means of learning an instrument than practicing on your own, buying a book of guitar tablature from the music store, or endlessly wearing down a cassette tape by going back over the song you wanted to learn again and again. And all this was the process of learning to play just a song you liked. I had to learn how to compose a song, write some lyrics, form a band, learn to promote it, and somehow figure out how to scrape up enough money to record a demo in a music studio. The barrier to entry was very steep. You had to love the art so much that you would dedicate a good portion of your life to mastering it.
Today I can go on YouTube and find a 9 year old girl in a country I’ve never heard of before play Eruption by Eddie Van Halen, note for note, because she learned it from another YouTube “content provider”. We have far more resources to understand how to be competent in, if not master, virtually anything today than at any other time in history. We have access to the entire world’s aggregate of information in a device that fits in our pocket.
In his book, Mastery, Robert Greene describes how the barriers to entry into previously prohibitive arenas of life are gone in the digital age. And just like the music industry of the 70s through the 90s, old order industries and institutions have had to cope with the restructuring of their businesses and lifestyles as new generations of digital savvy (if not digital thinking) people become competent in, sometimes master, what took them decades of perseverance to master themselves. What we see in this shift is the Barons of the old order media, industries and institutions – who jealously guarded their own knowledge-base – attempting to force-fit their analog thinking into a digital mold.
As a result, conflicts arise. When Über revolutionized the idea of ride-sharing in the digital age, the old order taxi companies enlisted every legal tool in their arsenal to fight the inevitability of their old revenue model disappearing. We see the same scenario play out in everything that can be digital becoming digital now. Even the old order institutions that built their mastery and prosperity on a successful pivot to the digital (the early dot coms) are finding that even newer aspects of the digital now threaten the successes of that initial pivot.
Content is King
Mastery is now easier to attain than at any other time in human history. The old order, analog thinking masters strictly limited teaching their secrets to anyone but the most worthy of apprentices. Those apprentices had to had the most serious dedication to their interests and would likely do menial tasks for much of their apprenticeships just to be in the presence of their mentors. That hard-won mastery is gone in the digital age. That’s not to say that practice and dedication aren’t still necessary for mastery today, but the barriers are largely removed. As a result, we are now encountering a generation of self-appointed “masters” in arenas wherein previously the title of that position of mastery implied respectability. Again, old order thinking predisposes us to believe that if a self-declared master online grants himself a title we should presume he “did the work” to earn that title.
For all this easy access to competency, mastery, information-based skills, what we find lacking is real, valuable content. It’s great that we have access to the tool boxes of old order masters, but what do we build with those tools? Thus far, not very much. Usually those tools build rehashes of old order ideas to be sold as something novel in the digital age. When I’m critical of the Success Porn grifters of this digital age, what I’m really drawing attention to is the reselling of old order, tired ideals. Motivational speakers, new age gurus, self-help “coaches” of today, are really only selling the same old order thinking in a more convenient, more easily disseminated digital method. The content is old. The religion is old. The thinking is old, and it’s thinking that is still firmly rooted in an old order understanding of how the world ought to be based on the limited information set available to the people creating it at that time.
The ease of the digital new order makes us lazy. For all of the access we have now, for all of the information we have, we’ve never been more unmotivated. The process of mastery, the process and dedication needed to attain it, used to contribute to the creative impetus required to use it. Today we’ve never been less creative in our thinking. It’s why we keep returning to old order stories and movie franchises. We just retell the same old order thinking stories in more advanced and colorful ways with the technology of the digital order. But we just repeat ourselves; or we add some social justice twist to stories that were timeless because the art took precedence over any other consideration.
The Red Pill
In the earliest days of the seduction community the forums that sprang up around men looking to get laid was an extension of this old order vs. new order thinking. The internet and conversation forums dedicated to Game, pickup artistry and dating were a predictable application of attempting to solve old order problems (getting laid) with new order information. Men in particular wanted to figure this out, so, as expected, they would coalesce and compare notes across the planet, each sharing their personal experiences with other men. Then further combining that experience with data available from psychology, anthropology, sociology, evolutionary theory and dozens of other related fields of study to provide a global consortium of men with a more accurate database on intersexual dynamics than they’d ever had available to them in any prior era.
Up to this point (I estimate 2001 or so) men had to figure out the dynamics between themselves and what women were becoming since the Sexual Revolution. And most of that “figuring it out” was based on limited information, based on old order thinking. The old challenges of understanding ourselves doesn’t change, but the way we think about those challenges is in constant flux; and that changing has become increasingly more rapid in a global age.
With that change comes conflict with the old order thinking. In terms of the Red Pill, old order thinking manifests itself as Purple Pill regressiveness. Often times the new Red Pill awareness conflicts with the old order thinking that present generations have based their existences on. They refuse to acknowledge the data we have access to now that we didn’t when they were forming beliefs and ideals that would form their personalities and ego-investments. Yes, there are certain timeless truths, but we must hold “common sense” to the same scrutiny we would apply to new ideas in this age. When I identify a person or a concept as Purple Pill this is what I mean by it; usually, it is an old order ideal being force fit to conform to align with new order data.
We desperately want our belief sets, our ideals, to be confirmed by the information we have access to in the digital age. Sometimes this does happen and we feel validated for it, but more often we see that our efforts in building a life according to the old social contract or an old order way of understanding ourselves and the world is invalidated. And this is what either builds us up anew or forces us into stasis in our lives.
The Red Pill has been redefined in many ways on many occasions over the past 20 years to fit the sensibilities of people who really want to give a new validity to whatever pet ideology they think it should apply to. Most of these people have no business calling anything “red pill”, but they’re attracted to the concept as a proxy term for ’truth’.
Initially, in the earliest days of the SoSuave Forums, we used the Matrix analogy to describe how a guy who still believed and still behaved according to his old order understanding (his conditioning) of intersexual dynamics was stuck in his ignorance. The old way of thinking about women – that up to that point was based on limited and largely inaccurate information – was still what a Blue Pill guy would accept as reality. It required a guy to “unplug” himself from that old order-informed way of thinking and transition to a new awareness of intersexual dynamics. Hopefully that guy could live a better life (even save his own life) by using the information in that new order tool box. Thus, we have the Red Pill analogy, but what the Red Pill really describes is exactly the casting off of an old order ignorance in favor of a new order thinking predicated on information we were limited from in prior ages.
We are entering a new, digital Age of Enlightenment. I know a lot of the Manosphere would tell us we’re heading for a new Dark Ages of degeneracy and decay. Enjoy the decline, right? If this is true and we are spiraling to more ignorance, depravity and superstition on a now globalized scale it will be the result of not changing our ways of thinking according to the new data we have access to today. It’s never been easier to become what we want to become today, but with that facility comes lethargy, a lack of creativity and insight, and self-gratifying sedation. Just because we’ve been enlightened by this new, globalizing knowledge-base doesn’t mean we know how to apply it.
If we do enter a decline it will be the result of an inability to unplug from a comforting old order way of thinking.
This essay is from an abridged preview of my upcoming book The Rational Male – Religion.
Blaximus
What is ” utility “?
Sometimes it looks like this:
http://www.zenith-motors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/GSK0048b1-1024×678.jpg
Sentient
Came across this gem last night A Face in the Crowd circa 1957
It’s being pushed in regard to Trump…
Lol. That plotline more accurately fits Billy Jeff Clinton.
“Better put some ice on that” – something Trump probably never had to say.
OP reference: the supply of old movies is pretty big, and increasingly available via streaminig even as the market fragments.
I lol at NBC’s streaming service even as I understand why some old executive thought “Peacock” is a great name for it.
“Don’t be obtuse. Why you choose to marry is it’s own question. To whom is another.” Mrs. Gamer fit the bill for Super Woman, so why and whom merged. And she had a face that was pleasant to look at, even after many years. And a voice that was lovely. And she wasn’t feral. I knew she’d be a great mother. A woman being pretty and civilized might be enough for most men. Training can civilize a woman. There are lots of pretty women out there. Some few are also both smart and hard-working. “Demonstrate, don’t explicate.” If you read… Read more »
Meanwhile, at Isengard…….
Things of utility are designed for our labor.
Say Rollo finds women sexually utilitarian. Then he’s put himself to work, work, work to get any output. He never stops working for sex.
Does that sound like a good idea? Work, work, work for something other men recieve for free?
This guy Rollo is daft and his ideas are daft as well.
Guys like Huh be all like I can’t get traction with my weak ass opinions so I’m gonna go shit up somebody else’s forum to sate my jealousy. What a fag. I can’t blame Rollo for not wanting to spend all his time dealing with autistic losers that will literally waste an entire day trying to get the beating daddy should have given them a long time ago. Good news is I found the fag’s problem: he spends all day in front of his computer autistically trolling instead of getting out there and testing any of the bullshit he’s spewing… Read more »
That’s a good one.
“Hey baby. What’s happenin’ ? I find myself heavily turned on by your utility”.
Maybe it’s not the utility, but the utility belt
Never occurred to me to endlessly troll a site that I had disagreements on/with. What would be the payoff? Where’s the return on investment?
Gotta love the internet though.
It’s like when I’m at my job, watching assholes in Lithuania launching DOS attacks for a week straight. Not hacking in, not stealing anything, just fucking with us all day and night. Ultimately they cannot win this fight, but they don’t have an endgame.
Just fucking around. All day long..
On second thought – it’s pure genius. Great conversation starter.
When she looks at you and asks you what the hell you’re talking about – you can laundry list all the chores she’s going to be doing for you on a daily basis.
Strangely – it’ll probably work.
I’m actually going to go for it.
I’m glad I thought of it.
Everybody is welcome to use that idea and plagiarize it as your own.
It’s no longer The New Age of Enlightenment.
It’s the New Age of Getting Women to Be Your Slave.
AR. You’ve got a pretty shit hot picture next to your name.
I’m not sure what Blaximus is. He looks like a funky Christmas Cookie Crab.
Sad to see dalrock go, he was the best
Huh. The guy in charge of the pictures stuck you with a good one.
What’s that fuzzy shit coming out of the top of your head ?
And you’ve got a spaghetti noodle coming out of your mouth.
WTF ?
That’s classic.
Well, looks like you guys finally got something else you’ve been wanting for a while now too.
smh
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2020/01/22/farewell-for-now-at-least-and-thank-you/
Blaximus
Never occurred to me to endlessly troll a site that I had disagreements on/with. What would be the payoff? Where’s the return on investment?
Dopamine hits. “Hurr durr, yer all wrong and I’m right!” plus attention-grabbing. “Me, me, me, lookit me!”.
If trolling is done long enough that it drives other people away, the comments section can become useless. I can name a couple of Manosphere sites that went that route.
AR True, but there’s more of “us” than ” them “. I’m gonna keep posting ( maybe post a bit more )and I’ll be damned if trolls are gonna run me off of the only blog I like to frequent daily. 90% of us here appreciate TRM and Rollo. 8% truly have serious questions. 2% are 300 pounders sitting in their bedrooms/basements scratching their nutz and fucking around in the comment section with all their sockpuppetry. Idk why Dalrock is shutting down, but it sucks that regular dudes that make herculean efforts to help other men in the best way… Read more »
Oh shit me be sockpuppeted! What will hapoen to me! Rollo you’d better investigate. Lol.
“Well, looks like you guys finally got something else you’ve been wanting for a while now too.”
@ Rollo
https://youtu.be/eeqGuaAl6Ic
Blaximus. Where did you get those percentages ?
And nobody is going to take you seriously as long as you look like a Christmas Cookie.
Huh? For criminal acts and violence on the stage For being a brat, refusing to act your age For all of the decent citizens you’ve enraged You can go to Hell For gambling and drinking alcohol constantly For making us doubt our parents authority For choosing to be a living obscenity You can go to Hell You’re something that never should have happened You even make your grandma sick You’d poison a blind man’s dog and steal his cane You’d gift wrap a leper and mail him to your aunt Jane You’d even force feed a diabetic a candy cane… Read more »
hey Rollo, RE: Redpill & Religion
Could you comment on info pic here ? —> https://imgur.com/a/whQSCA9
It’s about Hierarchies – Modern, Paulinian, and Pre-Fall (Genesis).
“For gambling and drinking alcohol constantly
For making us doubt our parents authority
For choosing to be a living obscenity
You can go to Hell”
Sounds like Jersey.
I noticed on Rollo’s twitter that Dalrock has left.
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2020/01/22/farewell-for-now-at-least-and-thank-you/
A pity.
Rollo, I didn’t notice your earlier post on Dalrock on this site. I failed to scroll up (trying to avoid the various trolls, imps and elves that congregated here earlier).
@Blax
I don’t think “Huh?” really hates you…..I think he is fearing us and the rest of humanity(including his own) far far less, for the first time.
@Rollo
Maybe Dalrock is actually just integrating into another thing. There’s something going on but not all of it is bad. Maybe NONE of it is bad, ultimately. You’re still up and stirring, right? I believe in you. Believe in us.
“I believe in you. Believe in us.”
Ok Patty Hearst. FFS.
How self-degrading.
Congrats Rollo, Holed up in your spider hole with only your most delusional followers to fend off reality.
One of the few things roosh was doing right, back in the day before his personality disintegrated, was that he carefully enforced rules on posting in the comments section of ROK. No women were allowed to post, blue pill male feminists were banned, game denialists were given the boot, etc. It was originally designed to be a protected space for males to exchange ideas, which is almost impossible to find on the net. Even so called red pill women weren’t allowed to post in the comments, because eventually they would chime in with NAWALT.
The new avatars look ghey.
“…he carefully enforced rules on posting in the comments section of ROK.”
I second that motion. Conform or be cast out. Recommence the Goskomizdat censorship! Nothing less than masculinity is at stake.
@Huh?
Take your troll game back to huffpo.
If your going to troll, at least have some wit. Read the room.
Meh
@Huh?
Here’s your reality. First to say “love” is a faggot.
Fact Roosh didn’t only not allow feminist and blue pill commenters. I was banned from commenting there, and I’m not a troll, feminist or blue pill. My crime was asking questions about his articles. Politely at that. The space wasn’t just ” safe “, but only safe for a segment of folks who were in agreement. That’s why I stick around trm. You can disagree with Rollo, and as long as you don’t become a sockpuppeting obnoxious thread killing troll, you don’t get the ban hammer. You cannot really help men have f your mission is to make a safe… Read more »
@Huh?
Just eat your soup, listen to some music and get better. You fucking fetus.
@Blax
Roosh was a step in the right direction. And the wrong direction. Don’t condemn him please.
@blaximus “Roosh didn’t only not allow feminist and blue pill commenters. I was banned from commenting there, and I’m not a troll, feminist or blue pill.” I got banned multiple times from ROK in that site’s last year or so. Roosh’s personality starting disintegrating before he made it official with public announcement. But in early years of ROK it was accepted that men could debate different ideas within the frame of the manosphere. That’s what I’m talking about right now anyway. Yep I know “safe space” is loaded term with negative connotations so you can insert different wording there, but… Read more »
Tomassi unremitting blather in two steps:
1) Don’t be a woman.
2) Get laid.
Questions?
Yollo
Lol, I’ve run out of condemnation for Roosh.
Like life, I go with end results – even for people I dislike. Lots of men I’ve disliked over the years have outpaced me in life. Good for them.
The same cannot be said for Roosh. All of that early ” success ” ( not really….😂) and look at the end result.
End results matter over the long haul.
People admire and respect him. Cool, no problem. I’m just not one of them.
“The space wasn’t just ” safe “, but only safe for a segment of folks who were in agreement.”
Quoting your dear leader: “Here’s the deal.”
As long as you guys blindly stumble around muttering “Protect the hive. Protect the hive.” you’re fucked. You don’t even know what you are protecting other than some guy growing a mullet and trying to sell a book.
Listen to Rollo and enjoy your ensured failure.
The future for these blogs is going to have to be curated comments or something.
The particular personality or mindset that destroys these comment sections is like virus, nothing but hate and destruction, no desire to improve.
I’d be happy if only guys that have proved themselves to be in good faith were allowed to comment.
@7817
“I’d be happy if only guys that have proved themselves to be in good faith were allowed to comment.”
Agreed. I don’t mind if its MGTOW debating with PUA debating with Married Red Pill debating with MRA debating with et al. I can even tolerate some alt-right red pill in limited form. But if it doesn’t stay within the frame of the manosphere then its not the manosphere anymore. The comments are going to get swamped with feminist and feminist allies trolling on the backwards spinning hamster wheel of illogic.
Nope. This shit is exactly what you guys asked for. And when the ‘sphere is burned to the ground by autistic children, purple pill enemas and red pill youth pastors I’m just gonna smile and say “This is what you wanted.”
Echo chamber! Echo chamber! Cried the ignorant troll, completely unaware that while I respect Rollo tremendously I would abandon his ideas in a heartbeat if someone showed me ideas that when tested work better. I’d wager it’s the same for the vast majority of men here. While I may have respect for Rollo, I am loyal only to my search ideas that bring me the results I seek. I’m an empiricist first which is what lead me to seek better ideas to begin with. That’s the problem with coming to a space where enlightened self-interest is not only acknowledged but… Read more »
The New Age of Enlightenment: Repeal the 19th Amendment.
@Rollo
On some level I think we all knew this was coming at some point. At some point these male spaces would reach critical mass and become subject to attacks by those with a vested interest in tearing it all down.
I can understand reassessing how you want to handle things going forward. This is definitely the point where the negative voices will become louder than the positive ones despite being far fewer. The louder they scream the closer you are to the truth, right?
Hopefully a better solution will present itself.
Nope.
“I’m out of ideas….”
This shit is exactly what you guys asked for.
“….and it’s all YOUR fault you stupid drones.”
And when the ‘sphere is burned to the ground
“I’ve told you guys a million times I don’t exaggerate.”
by autistic children, purple pill enemas and red pill youth pastors
“I hate people, especially you dumb TRM minions who were to protect me.”
I’m just gonna smile
“tears of a clown”
and say “This is what you wanted.”
You fucking traitors. My blood is on your hands, you Judases.
Go fuck yourself “Huh?”
Go back and tell your sperg-lord you’re doing your part in trolling TRM.
Even when his convention explodes in his face you still wont get it.
You offer nothing of value to anyone. You have no counter arguments because that’s not your purpose.
Hmmm. Chewed on this for a while. My career is in the digital world. My “game” starts with the digital world of dating sites. And continues on to text and snap and kik and whatsapp and facetime etc. It’s simply amazing and so effective to find the girls who are actually down to fuck. I won’t describe my “system” here but it’s like a finely tuned machine now and I have a consistent stream of young hotties who want me to cum inside of them, lol. It’s so depraved out there. It’s not rare for a young girl to want… Read more »
Why is everybody getting worked up over this Huh person ?
He’s not going to screw anything up.
He’s just babbling stupid shit.
It’s actually kinda comical to watch him spin around in circles.
This freaks me out more than I am willing to admit
Technology has structured society in a way that makes marriage almost obsolete.
The future looks dim for women and men in my mind. Women will never be satisfied because they had a taste of chad, and the average man will be crawling along the ocean floor looking for leftovers
Scribbler. You’re a drunken fool. All that bullshit you claim you’re doing is complete horseshit.
Feminists don’t like to hear me talking about training a feral woman. Since a high percentage of women are feral, it’s necessary to train a woman in many cases if you like her intelligence and work ethic.
@Coolio “Scribbler. You’re a drunken fool. All that bullshit you claim you’re doing is complete horseshit.” Maybe or maybe not. But online game is 90% about pics, the other 10% is bio and messaging and execution. If women perceive your pics as being 2-3 notches more attractive than they normally date IRL, then you can pull them. So that means as a man you need be top tier category, or else be resigned to dating less attractive women. For most men, they aren’t going to be considered top tier, even after self improvement, so then its mass right swiping, and… Read more »
“Go fuck yourself “Huh?”” Tough titties said the kitty, but the milk is good. I could explain why Rollo and RP is a sham and hurts men as well as women, but why even? Demonstrate (Rollo’s fragility) not explicate. If Rollo was all that he’d chill the fuck out and let this play out…but no…as his house is of cards. Note men, he’s waging psyops war on you, not me, picking your pockets by appealing to your LCD. Once he’s convinced you to RP swallow for the chance of limitless sex you are his Pareto principle 20%. You keep yourselves… Read more »
This place need not be defended from anything other than technological attacks. All untruth is dissipated like mist in the light of day.
Even the pretentious image of success. Not everyone is going to need the same things. Point blank. There’s someone out there who connects to me and sees the video I’m going to post now and thinks……”I like THIS guy of the bunch. I like the rest. They’re all so smart. But THIS guy speaks to ME!!”
@Coolio – As though I give a shit if you believe me, son. Hint: There could be some growth for you if you examine what triggered you in what I said. I will share one fact with you. Women have always liked me and wanted to fuck me, long before I learned “game”. I was very lucky like that, my sisters complained about it, all their friends wanted to fuck me when I was young but I didn’t know how to capitalize on it. I overheard to women talking about me when I was like 35, one said, “he’s got… Read more »
Fact.
Anybody can put anything they want in an online profile.
When you meet in person, and somebody sees you’re different than what they thought – they walk – regardless of what you look like.
An online profile isn’t going to get anybody anywhere except a bunch of wasted time and money unless it’s backed up in reality – including beyond what you look like.
Define average. It’s in the eyes of the perceiver.
@ScribblerG
And yet when they get sick of your shit, they leave you for someone who does something different than you.
Extinction is being obviated.
Look this isn’t hard.
Ignore troll comments. they spin out and spin off.
Just scroll past.
War too.
Scribbler.
You need to change your name to Scrambled Eggs.
Now you think you’re Warren Beatty.
You’re a nutcase.
Your sister’s never said that shit, and neither did the mythical women you see in your mind.
Huh.
You seemed to be obsessed with the guy that runs this place.
Why do you even give a shit ?
If you don’t like it – just get lost and go spank your monkey somewhere else.
@Collio “Define average. It’s in the eyes of the perceiver.” With online dating attractiveness can be ranked by the number of likes a profile receives, and online 20% of male profiles get 80% of the likes from women. Women converge on the same subset of top tier male profiles. Average males are pretty much invisible with online dating, unless and until they capitulate and mass swipe right on all female profiles, and then settle for women ranked 2-3 notches lower on an attractiveness scale of 1-10. I’m not going to argue it, the data is what it is. Decision making… Read more »
Scrambled Eggs.
Women have always liked you and wanted to fuck you. You’re imagining things.
Your sisters complained about it. Bullshit.
All their friends wanted to fuck you. Imagination on steroids.
You overheard women talking about you and saying earthy shit. Now you’re hearing things.
Imagining they think you’re good in bed. After you’re seriously drunk.
Pairing your natural assets with game, you’re slaying hot babes at 57. Complete and total bullshit. You’re slaying nasty bitches – if any at all.
@Coolio
He isn’t a nutcase. Older men like him feel that they cannot be thanked enough for what they tried to do on our behalf to create the civilized world. They overstep their bounds. But our recourse is not to eschew their wisdom, but test them on how congruent they are with their own principles. Judgement is theirs, but then; it is yours as well.
YC re : Scrambled Eggs.
1) Yes. He’s a complete nutcase.
2) He didn’t do anything on anybody’s behalf. Everything he has done or is doing he has done for himself. All
he’s ever done is fuck things up – and he’s still fucking things up. All you gotta do is listen to his bullshit.
3) You don’t have to test him on anything. All you’ve got to do is listen to his proclamations. He’s delusional.
4) You don’t need to thank him for anything. He’s an idiot.
Fact.
Blow off online dating.
It’s for strange people who can’t handle a real person standing in front of them.
Do it in person.
@Coolio
To a hammer everything looks like a nail, even children. Give it time. He was worse last week.
@Coolio And if you think he hasn’t done anything on anyone’s behalf, let me tell you. He encouraged me when others were a little more concerned with their own outcomes. He did a little more when I needed it. One more word, one more letter. And it earns him distinction in my own little life. He showed compassion and understanding toward me and left me alone when I seemed to be getting it finally. Then tragedies hit his own life and he found problems his compassion couldn’t fix for him. He got out of those with what everyone on this… Read more »
And that wasn’t all he did for me. He said what I was afraid to say.
YC.
He was worse last week. Exactly what I thought. He needs psychiatric help. You don’t need to be taking advice from someone who’s on the edge of reality. Get it somewhere else.
You see symptoms in people. Are you a Doctor ?
@handsome harry
Marriage isn’t obsolete. Promises are.
@Coolio
In a manner of speaking.
No.
“Ignore troll comments. they spin out and spin off.”
Rollo et. al. heed those wise words. Thos isn’t rocket surgery.
@Coolio
But I AM a son.
YC.
You say you’re a son.
If you’re a male – then you’re somebody’s son.
Was there supposed to be more to that ?
Huh.
What are you constantly complaining about anyhow ?
What’s your beef ?
Do you even have a beef ?
Huh.
Specifically identify the origin of your beef.
And then – fully elaborate on the beef.
I’d like to see if you make any sense.
Huh.
Begin with the seedling of your beef.
And then explain how it grew into the Oak Tree sized beef that it is today.
I’d love to hear it.
Trust me.
I’m here to help.
Huh.
Before you tell everybody the autobiography of your beef – go get yourself a high priced hooker and have her slap your Johnson for ya.
It might help clear your brain.
@Coolio
Before I took up his mantle, another user named rugby used to spam the comments.
Now that you’re here, I’m happy to get off this old ass chair.
But be advised. Once the rest of the comentariat recovers from their stunning, they will enforce their regular rules once again.
So keep the continual sending to a minimum. The way not to be a troll is to not act like one.
“I started wondering who these ‘pastors’ really were as people and what made them qualified to deliver sermons.” Most aren’t. Scratch that. Very few are. Furthermore, the qualified ones are not famous. I have a few posts on the matter, but you do not need to look further than Titus and Timothy, where the qualifications for elder (those who are to do the teaching) are found. An examination of these qualifications, and a review of how the church functioned in Acts will show you that the modern church is largely unbiblical in how it functions (ecclesiology), its daily practice, and… Read more »
@Yollo – Props and thanks. It seems I’ve triggered Coolio, which is awesome. He’s caught up in his buffers and uses this place to salve some wound in his psyche. I’m glad you recall our interactions. When I participated here seriously I was always looking for the man who was actually awakening and being self-directed versus the guys who are doing something else…You are clearly one of the men here who I have mad respect for. Guys like Coolio, I wonder if he ever asks himself why he’s here and why he’s going off the way he is? I bet… Read more »
Scrib…I’m one of those offline guys, and I appreciate your posts.
I disagree with the idea that people are less motivated because the path to mastery was part of what motivated them. It’s ridiculous, in fact. What we’ve lost is the sense that IF we choose to devote the time necessary to master a skill or art, we’ll be rewarded, and we’ll be UNIQUE in some way. Now, ANYONE can gain mastery – so what do we get? How do we distinguish ourselves with someone that anyone can gain relatively easily? The answer is clear: advertising. You become a writer – fine. Then you advertise. You become a musician, a painter… Read more »
😂😂
That’s the silliest shit I’ve read in a long time.
@M.C.
I’ll get back to you.
Jesus Was A Capricorn
This is rich.
For some reason my wife wanted to name my son by the first name as: Donovan.
It didn’t come to pass.
And just now I was listening to on my ear buds:
Sunshine Superman. by Donovan.
And someone what might figure, that.
Jeff Bezos is still the richest…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7324951/Jeff-Bezos-supports-girlfriends-ex-Tony-Gonzalez-retired-NFL-great-inducted-Hall-Fame.html
….beta on the planet. The second URL is supposed to be a pic illustrating my point.
AR
That pic is begging for a caption contest…
Bezos playing clean-up after his girlfriend got passed around at NFL player parties. lulz
Good to see that you guys are still alive lol
@mersonia
Good to see you again! I received word from the Horadrim and you’ll be glad to know that they’ve unanimously decided that Robin Hood apparently isn’t gay.
This is literally my 2nd comment on TRM and I have to say it is amazing how people can turn against Rollo (or more generally someone contributing something other than fluff to society). I have been guilty of it, but it seems that another part of being human is how easy it is to find fault with others. (Dare I say part of us like hypergamy is for women…) On a side note, if what Rollo says is true (people having their knife in for him) then I would like to tell them to go ahead. Please continue. Between what… Read more »
Rollo Tomassi, I cannot agree with you, the digital age has ruined us. Culture and pop culture today moves at an alarming rate, what was hip now won’t be in the next year or month, society has never moved this fast and as a result the new way is merely a day away from being the old way. The demon’s out of the ring now, no turning back, and there’s no real way to deal with the modern age. If you are not born into greatness, or utilizing the vast knowledge of the net to surpass everyone and stay there,… Read more »
The craft of Intelligence distinguishes between actionable Intelligence and Information. The point being that all that information out there needs to be made sense of and made actionable to the individual. A very very tall order. I have been a geek most of my life, and I can tell you at the age of 60 all my life that information fatigue is real. Simply TIRED. Discussions on an Int veterans forum made the point that there is a crisis of legitimacy happening. Call it a crisis of meaning, if you will, on the individual level. You touched on that: Tons… Read more »