The Old Order
I can remember a time back in the 1980s when I would visit my mother for a weekend and she’d insist my brother and I go to her church on Sundays. At this point in her life she was very much an Evangelical Christian. I would go with her because my mom’s side of the family had always been the religious side, and that was just part of who my mom was. I did have a basic faith in God and Christianity at the time, but my father was a card carrying atheist (and nominal Unitarian) for his whole life, so I had a pretty eclectic religious education when I was a teenager.
My father was a skeptic by nature and a lot of my own questioning nature was indirectly influenced by him. I can remember going to my mom’s church and suffering through the worship music to get to the sermon. I actually enjoyed the sermons because they gave me something to chew on intellectually. Not that the 15 year old Rollo was much of a thinker at that time, but I always had basic questions for these guys after the speech. When I got a bit older, in my early 20s, I started wondering who these ‘pastors’ really were as people and what made them qualified to deliver sermons. I really wanted to talk with these guys, but doing so meant I had to sit through their hard sell about how Jesus had saved them from themselves. I always thought this was kind of silly considering most of these guys weren’t much older than me. How hard a life could these guys really have lived by 25?
Most of these pastors weren’t used to was really having to engage much with their congregations beyond what was required of them to maintain appearances. I don’t mean that they were inaccessible; most of them had something outside of church that kept them involved with people. It’s that prior to the internet the way a pastor, or a church, did business usually centered on a man delivering a message (presumedly inspired by God) and then shaking hands with the faithful after the sermon was over as they filed out the door. End of sermon. End of discussion.
If you wanted to talk about the sermon, or, heaven forbid, criticize the interpretation or message in some way that was a conversation relegated to your family, or perhaps a home group discussion. Assuming you even were in a home group or had a few peers you could discuss it with, you always risked running afoul of someone whose ego-investments in his/her faith would put them on edge by questioning it. The old order of religion, not just Christianity, used to be based on respecting the man delivering that message as God’s ordained spokesman, or reading whatever book he might’ve published, processing it yourself or with a handful of other believers, sussing things out and waiting for the next message on the next Sunday. There was very little engagement about articles of faith or doctrine unless you were a guy on the inside.
All of this changed with the advent of the internet and the globalization of mass media and communication.
Today, there’s hardly a pastor (mainstream or obscure) who doesn’t have a blog or a YouTube channel on which he (or she) contemplates his last/next sermon. In the 80s-90s even the most introspective religious leader would have only a handful of people to bounce ideas off, but today a sermon is almost focus grouped before the guy walks up to the pulpit on a Sunday. Meanwhile, that same pastor is engaged on two or three social media accounts discussing everything from religion, to politics, to praying for his favorite NFL team to make the playoffs.
The old order of how religion was done has given way to a new, globalized process of how we do religion. Today anyone, believer or not, has access to that pastor on a moments notice. Didn’t like the message? Thought the interpretation was inaccurate? You can tell him on his blog’s comment thread or fire off a tweet to start a discussion about it before he can even drive home from church.
This is the age of globalized engagement – and this new paradigm is fundamentally altering old order institutions. What the Guttenburg press did for religion by publishing the Bible for the masses, now the internet has done for the old order way in which people can engage with the process of their beliefs – and not just religious belief.
The New Enlightenment
February of last year I wrote an essay about the Global Sexual Marketplace. In that post I described how globalization isn’t just about economics or demographics – globalization also applies to intersexual dynamics. Gone are the days when a young man or young woman could expect to meet one of the handful of eligible, single people in their high school, small town or limited social circle to pair off and start a family with. In the old order young people were stuck with the choices of a limited Local sexual marketplace. Today, with our instant, robust forms of communication, a worldwide sexual marketplace has now opened up the romantic prospects of virtually anyone with a smartphone and an internet connection. Don’t like your prospects in your hometown? Now there’s a whole world of men and women waiting to meet you. The old order of intersexual dynamics has fundamentally shifted and all in less than 20 years.
The rapidity of this shift is what I believe is at the root of the problems that surround the new way of doing the old order institutions. As a global society we are still reluctant to let go of the falsehoods of those old order institutions; even in light of the new order evidences and data collected as a result of this unprecedented access. While we attempt to reconcile our old order beliefs with what a global information network confronts them with, we cling evermore tightly to what we thought we knew because it formed the foundation of who we are. And as we try to make sense of it we are presented with both true and false narratives that pander to the fact that this information and technology is progressing at a rate that most human beings’ minds were never evolved to keep pace with.
My good friend Aaron Clarey (Captain Capitalism) recently published a tour de force article on women entering into and dominating most of the future of Corporate America, and how men ought to welcome this change. It’s a great post, so definitely go read the whole thing, but after I’d finished it I was struck with the idea that what Clarey was on to was describing an old order institution (Corporate America) and how we still perceived it from an old order understanding. On the surface it seems counterintuitive to think of women assuming authority over what was the Male Space of Corporate Culture as a good thing. Cap was being facetious for the whole thing, but his point was really this: women have coveted the reigns of Corporate America for a long time now, but their feminist thirst for power (Fempowerment) is based on an old order understanding of what Corporate America really is, or will eventually become. Like a debutant late to the party, the status and prestige that the Feminine Imperative sells women to believe is inherent in Corporate America is all old order bullshit. So, yeah, have at it ladies. The information age has stripped back the curtains on the Corporate America you assumed all that student debt to participate in.
Academia is another area in which this old order vs. new enlightenment understanding is taking place. Prior to 2000 if you heard a particular professor had a reputation for being tough, you had to get it from a third party. Today we have rate-the-professor.com or something similar. Now you can see how well a teacher performed from students who took their classes from a decade ago.
GlassCeiling.com is an aggregate of current and ex employees rating the work environment of damn near any company today. Yelp.com does something similar to a businesses performance. And as a result most of these companies hire specialized personnel to maintain their online reputations – and this is the paranoia that comes from presuming old order impressions of a company are relevant in a new order paradigm.
Analog Thinking vs. Digital Thinking
“In the future, everything that can be digital will be digital.”
I’m not sure who originated this quote, but I can remember it being tossed around in graphic design circles as early as 1993. Back then the print industry was transitioning to a digital way of production. Adobe Photoshop was at version 3.0 (when I started using it) and QuarkXpress was revolutionizing pagination for pretty much every publication at the time. The writing was on the wall. I was fortunate to be coming into my career on the cusp of the old order traditional ways of creating ads and publications (stat cameras and pasteup galleys) and learning their digital equivalents in design applications. I had to get real good, real quick, not only in terms of understanding the hardware, software and networking, but also in using it to create effective, creative, advertising. A lot of my contemporaries struggled with this transition. My mentors in design were old school designers. They taught me a lot with respect to effective advertising and design, but they couldn’t teach me the new tech that was changing every 6-8 months. Whereas in the old order a design agency only focused on print media and employed a full complement of professionals for each aspect of production (photography, typography, pasteup, pressmen, etc.) now I was responsible for all of these jobs and more to come as the internet opened up more new media to desktop publishers like me.
I had to get real good, real fast, and maintain my creative edge all while expanding into more and more new areas and methods of producing what I do. The old order designers either adapted or went extinct. Since the early 90s this narrative has played out across countless professions and trades. I can remember listening to Lars Ulrich from Metallica complain about how Napster’s peer-to-peer file sharing of MP3s was going to be the death of the music industry. The old order musicians weren’t ready to accept the realities of “everything that can be digital will be digital”.
Analog business models, analog thinking, that have formed the basis of who we are as a society are still in place today. In some ways we can force-fit those old order ideas into our new order digital reality, but eventually that old order thinking reveals its age. College professors, church pastors, your 9-5 corporate American cubicle supervisor, the self-help guru you think has some sort of relevance, the old pop psychologist whose heyday was in the last millennium, all these personalities and an endless number more are all struggling to stay relevant against the information that the new order of 2020 confronts them with.
It’s not that these people are luddites. They embrace the technology and the new means of disseminating their craft, their ideas, their ideologies, in the digital age. It’s that their thinking is still mired in the analog age – an age in which ideas were formed on information that was limited to what generations that came before could gather with the means they had available to them then. The ideas of an analog age are what we’re presently trying to force-fit into the new understanding presented to us by this digital age. We enjoy the luxuries, sensations and entertainment that the digital affords us, but we immerse ourselves in it without realizing how our old order thinking defines why we enjoy it. Our analog selves, the product of millennia of evolution, still defines what our digital selves are without realizing the dangers inherent in our engaging with it. As such we get digital addictions – pornography, social media, ‘engagement’ – and we make our analog selves dependent on a digital economy.
How many YouTube content producers rely on their ’side hustle’ revenue to pay their bills today? How many self-published authors have quit their day jobs to write for their new employer, Amazon, today (Amazon owns 86% of the publishing market today). How many former cubicle workers decided it was more lucrative to start an internet business than continue slaving away at a corporate gig that only made their bosses rich? Today, we’ll readily shift to the digital world to sustain us financially – in the end we don’t have much choice – but it’s the old order thinking that pervades this new “reality” and causes problems.
The number one way that couples meet, since 2005, is online. Via Tinder or Match or other net based ways. Gone are the days of boy-meets-girl, eyes fixed on the other across a crowded high school gym dance floor. Gone are the days of meeting your “bride” at church camp. Those are old order romanticisms, and ones that we still want to force fit back into our new order reality. We think in analog, but we live in digital.
Barriers to Entry
Another thing I did at age 15 was play a lot of guitar. My teenage, MTV fueled, mind really had a love for music. The heavier the better. But the barrier to becoming a “Guitar God” like my heroes was something that was very prohibitive at that time. If you wanted to get good; good enough to actually get a band going, you had to seek out a guitar instructor at the local music store who hopefully shared your taste in music. Beyond a once-a-week, 1-hour lesson, you had no other means of learning an instrument than practicing on your own, buying a book of guitar tablature from the music store, or endlessly wearing down a cassette tape by going back over the song you wanted to learn again and again. And all this was the process of learning to play just a song you liked. I had to learn how to compose a song, write some lyrics, form a band, learn to promote it, and somehow figure out how to scrape up enough money to record a demo in a music studio. The barrier to entry was very steep. You had to love the art so much that you would dedicate a good portion of your life to mastering it.
Today I can go on YouTube and find a 9 year old girl in a country I’ve never heard of before play Eruption by Eddie Van Halen, note for note, because she learned it from another YouTube “content provider”. We have far more resources to understand how to be competent in, if not master, virtually anything today than at any other time in history. We have access to the entire world’s aggregate of information in a device that fits in our pocket.
In his book, Mastery, Robert Greene describes how the barriers to entry into previously prohibitive arenas of life are gone in the digital age. And just like the music industry of the 70s through the 90s, old order industries and institutions have had to cope with the restructuring of their businesses and lifestyles as new generations of digital savvy (if not digital thinking) people become competent in, sometimes master, what took them decades of perseverance to master themselves. What we see in this shift is the Barons of the old order media, industries and institutions – who jealously guarded their own knowledge-base – attempting to force-fit their analog thinking into a digital mold.
As a result, conflicts arise. When Über revolutionized the idea of ride-sharing in the digital age, the old order taxi companies enlisted every legal tool in their arsenal to fight the inevitability of their old revenue model disappearing. We see the same scenario play out in everything that can be digital becoming digital now. Even the old order institutions that built their mastery and prosperity on a successful pivot to the digital (the early dot coms) are finding that even newer aspects of the digital now threaten the successes of that initial pivot.
Content is King
Mastery is now easier to attain than at any other time in human history. The old order, analog thinking masters strictly limited teaching their secrets to anyone but the most worthy of apprentices. Those apprentices had to had the most serious dedication to their interests and would likely do menial tasks for much of their apprenticeships just to be in the presence of their mentors. That hard-won mastery is gone in the digital age. That’s not to say that practice and dedication aren’t still necessary for mastery today, but the barriers are largely removed. As a result, we are now encountering a generation of self-appointed “masters” in arenas wherein previously the title of that position of mastery implied respectability. Again, old order thinking predisposes us to believe that if a self-declared master online grants himself a title we should presume he “did the work” to earn that title.
For all this easy access to competency, mastery, information-based skills, what we find lacking is real, valuable content. It’s great that we have access to the tool boxes of old order masters, but what do we build with those tools? Thus far, not very much. Usually those tools build rehashes of old order ideas to be sold as something novel in the digital age. When I’m critical of the Success Porn grifters of this digital age, what I’m really drawing attention to is the reselling of old order, tired ideals. Motivational speakers, new age gurus, self-help “coaches” of today, are really only selling the same old order thinking in a more convenient, more easily disseminated digital method. The content is old. The religion is old. The thinking is old, and it’s thinking that is still firmly rooted in an old order understanding of how the world ought to be based on the limited information set available to the people creating it at that time.
The ease of the digital new order makes us lazy. For all of the access we have now, for all of the information we have, we’ve never been more unmotivated. The process of mastery, the process and dedication needed to attain it, used to contribute to the creative impetus required to use it. Today we’ve never been less creative in our thinking. It’s why we keep returning to old order stories and movie franchises. We just retell the same old order thinking stories in more advanced and colorful ways with the technology of the digital order. But we just repeat ourselves; or we add some social justice twist to stories that were timeless because the art took precedence over any other consideration.
The Red Pill
In the earliest days of the seduction community the forums that sprang up around men looking to get laid was an extension of this old order vs. new order thinking. The internet and conversation forums dedicated to Game, pickup artistry and dating were a predictable application of attempting to solve old order problems (getting laid) with new order information. Men in particular wanted to figure this out, so, as expected, they would coalesce and compare notes across the planet, each sharing their personal experiences with other men. Then further combining that experience with data available from psychology, anthropology, sociology, evolutionary theory and dozens of other related fields of study to provide a global consortium of men with a more accurate database on intersexual dynamics than they’d ever had available to them in any prior era.
Up to this point (I estimate 2001 or so) men had to figure out the dynamics between themselves and what women were becoming since the Sexual Revolution. And most of that “figuring it out” was based on limited information, based on old order thinking. The old challenges of understanding ourselves doesn’t change, but the way we think about those challenges is in constant flux; and that changing has become increasingly more rapid in a global age.
With that change comes conflict with the old order thinking. In terms of the Red Pill, old order thinking manifests itself as Purple Pill regressiveness. Often times the new Red Pill awareness conflicts with the old order thinking that present generations have based their existences on. They refuse to acknowledge the data we have access to now that we didn’t when they were forming beliefs and ideals that would form their personalities and ego-investments. Yes, there are certain timeless truths, but we must hold “common sense” to the same scrutiny we would apply to new ideas in this age. When I identify a person or a concept as Purple Pill this is what I mean by it; usually, it is an old order ideal being force fit to conform to align with new order data.
We desperately want our belief sets, our ideals, to be confirmed by the information we have access to in the digital age. Sometimes this does happen and we feel validated for it, but more often we see that our efforts in building a life according to the old social contract or an old order way of understanding ourselves and the world is invalidated. And this is what either builds us up anew or forces us into stasis in our lives.
The Red Pill has been redefined in many ways on many occasions over the past 20 years to fit the sensibilities of people who really want to give a new validity to whatever pet ideology they think it should apply to. Most of these people have no business calling anything “red pill”, but they’re attracted to the concept as a proxy term for ’truth’.
Initially, in the earliest days of the SoSuave Forums, we used the Matrix analogy to describe how a guy who still believed and still behaved according to his old order understanding (his conditioning) of intersexual dynamics was stuck in his ignorance. The old way of thinking about women – that up to that point was based on limited and largely inaccurate information – was still what a Blue Pill guy would accept as reality. It required a guy to “unplug” himself from that old order-informed way of thinking and transition to a new awareness of intersexual dynamics. Hopefully that guy could live a better life (even save his own life) by using the information in that new order tool box. Thus, we have the Red Pill analogy, but what the Red Pill really describes is exactly the casting off of an old order ignorance in favor of a new order thinking predicated on information we were limited from in prior ages.
We are entering a new, digital Age of Enlightenment. I know a lot of the Manosphere would tell us we’re heading for a new Dark Ages of degeneracy and decay. Enjoy the decline, right? If this is true and we are spiraling to more ignorance, depravity and superstition on a now globalized scale it will be the result of not changing our ways of thinking according to the new data we have access to today. It’s never been easier to become what we want to become today, but with that facility comes lethargy, a lack of creativity and insight, and self-gratifying sedation. Just because we’ve been enlightened by this new, globalizing knowledge-base doesn’t mean we know how to apply it.
If we do enter a decline it will be the result of an inability to unplug from a comforting old order way of thinking.
This essay is from an abridged preview of my upcoming book The Rational Male – Religion.
Hey Rollo, have you ever thought about reading your essays online? If you simply took your top 20-30 essays and read them – that is basically free content and it will be better distributed than these essays. People people are more likely to watch or listen on YouTube than visit your site and read. Just a thought to consider. Would be simple 5-10 min clips
Let there be “Us”.
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Rollo, you blew my mind. I’ll be chewing on this for awhile.
Daniel 12:4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” … 8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?” 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those… Read more »
“Today I can go on YouTube and find a 9 year old girl in a country I’ve never heard of before play Eruption by Eddie Van Halen, note for note, because she learned it from another YouTube “content provider”.” Not true. Rollo writes from a pure top-down, true-nature-is-forced-upon-us perspective. Here I go again…. Rollo writes as if the internet taught the girl guitar. Stupid on stilts. That’s like Rollo learned guitar by osmosis of the 80’s hair band environment. The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it. It is… Read more »
The number one way that couples meet, since 2005, is online. Via Tinder or Match or other net based ways. Gone are the days of boy-meets-girl, eyes fixed on the other across a crowded high school gym dance floor. Gone are the days of meeting your “bride” at church camp This is true for the churchgoing people as well. I have seen it in my social circle. Yeah, there are some college girls who meet their future husband at a church related event, but there are many who used one of the online matching services. Yet Boomer churchgoers cling to… Read more »
Sharkley f you want to monetize something for maximum profit, figure out an easier way for people to do wickedness. Sadly, that is where the mass market will be That reminds me, a friend of mine was running service trucks out to fracking rigs for a while. Not down well services, food and beverage delivery. After a while he had to tell the drivers “No, you may not give hookers rides out to the rigs, that’s not the business we are in”. Apparently this wasn’t popular with management, because a few weeks later he got fired. It doesn’t bother him.… Read more »
“The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it.”
The former guitar teacher me to my former guitar students:
“I can’t teach you how to play guitar. You have to learn it. What I can do is save you a lot of time by showing you what to learn, why to learn it and make sure you don’t learn it all wrong.”
Which was the point. Things that took me years to learn I had to learn can now be looked up in seconds with live demonstration.
I’m right there with you, excellent article. I’m 65, started spinning scanners in the early eighties. Then photography. Seen it all…
Brilliant. This is delightfully “new stuff” because it is the product of critical thought and analysis – an increasingly rare capacity. Technology is only a tool; the old problems must still be solved. GPS means no longer do we have to rely on temperamental ground-based radio navaids (or shoot stars for a position plot) but if that howling crosswind isn’t compensated for we still get blown off-course. GPS just makes it easier to solve the same problem. (And the ground is just as hard.) Is it “analog thought” vs. “digital thought,” or Thought vs. No Thought (i.e. Belief). Consider that… Read more »
““The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it.” The former guitar teacher me to my former guitar students: “I can’t teach you how to play guitar. You have to learn it. What I can do is save you a lot of time by showing you what to learn, why to learn it and make sure you don’t learn it all wrong.” Which was the point. Things that took me years to learn I had to learn can now be looked up in seconds with live demonstration.” +100 Maybe Eh… Read more »
EhIntellect, Says: The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it. It is a matter of will…her will to learn…not the internet content. For somebody with Intellect in your handle, you sure missed Rollo’s point. Perhaps you’re autistic or a savant?(smart, yet always missing the point) Rollo had to save for a week to buy a crappy lesson with a guy who may not have even known the songs he wanted to learn to play. You won’t learn to tap out “Eruption” by repetitively practicing the bar chords from the… Read more »
There’s a big difference between learning and copying.
In the context of this blog it’s the difference between copying game routines and actually understanding Male-female sexual dynamics.
initially, you learn by first copying.
Understanding usually comes later for most.
The wealth of knowledge on the internet has increased my understanding ten fold easily.
Now Effort is a whole other thing entirely.
“The ease of the digital new order makes us lazy. For all of the access we have now, for all of the information we have, we’ve never been more unmotivated. The process of mastery, the process and dedication needed to attain it, used to contribute to the creative impetus required to use it. Today we’ve never been less creative in our thinking. It’s why we keep returning to old order stories and movie franchises. We just retell the same old order thinking stories in more advanced and colorful ways with the technology of the digital order. But we just repeat… Read more »
This ‘EhIntellect’, is a sock puppet or bot account. This is not our original EhIntellect’s IP match, and judging from the repetitive trolling of the same baseless and ignorant accusations in every post I make, regardless of the topic, I can only conclude this is another 21Con middle schooler with nothing to do.
@Rollo This ‘EhIntellect’, is a sock puppet or bot account. This is not our original EhIntellect’s IP match, and judging from the repetitive trolling of the same baseless and ignorant accusations in every post I make, regardless of the topic. Not hardly. He’s not trolling. He changed. He’s very spiritual (religious based, and not that there is anything wrong with that, right?… ) and moved away from red pill take-away-from-the-spouse tactics. Because as witness on the internet, sometimes those MRP game tactics can be malevolent. He used that two years ago, found it very successful, but then ultimately destructive in… Read more »
“How hard a life could these guys really have lived by 25?”
Shoot… they’d cussed, lusted and touched their wee whah with impure thoughts a plenty… Some even…
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danced…
Hellfire and damnation surely.
Something also is happening with BluePillProfessor, (who one year ago was spouting Dread and The TakeAway is all us men got with our wives to survive…) he’s changing as a red pill coach, witness his latest YouTube video–combining Alpha (red pill) with Beta (John Gottman research. Athol Kay 2.0? Wives play the long game. Loooooooong game… When they’ve run down the dread train to a nub and FINALLY realize they have zero power over you -, for real, in the middle of the night, all alone – they concoct other, devious ways to suck you back in. Really just comfort… Read more »
This is brilliant. I was born in 1979; one of my best friends was born just a few years before me. We’ve both struggled for a long time to give a name to the phenomenon described in this essay. We share articles, Rational Male posts, Twitter stories, etc., but it never quite made sense until I read this. Being born on the cusp of the digital age is both a blessing and a curse. My father is an electrical engineer and brought home one of the first custom made PC XT’s, I think in the late 80’s. I got carte… Read more »
“Athol Kay 2.0?” No. Once again, I hope BPP is not listening in on me. I consider him a buddy in arms but disagree with his ham-handed approach to MRP for his own device. He distilled a great amount of MRP content in his book. And it helped greatly. But by his own distillation, a skilled MRP man only needs to get up to level 4 or 5 to turn things around. And that was sufficient for me. And you are totally missing my point by citing him in my comment. I would debate him face to face, about: Take-away… Read more »
Interesting essay Rollo, agree on the increasing level of the technical changes, yet people are still people. It can be argued that a belief/faith that technology will deliver us to the promise land/heaven is itself a religion(people are still people, not saying you are saying that but some indirectly are). I’ve heard a variation on the technological angle you wrote about for about a decade now, ” a kid in Africa will cure cancer with his cell phone/tablet/computer, etc” that still sticks in my head as it was said at one point by someone positioning technology as our savior in… Read more »
Rollo This ‘EhIntellect’, is a sock puppet or bot account. This is not our original EhIntellect’s IP match, IP’s don’t mean as much as they used to. and judging from the repetitive trolling of the same baseless and ignorant accusations in every post I make, regardless of the topic, I can only conclude this is another 21Con middle schooler with nothing to do. Could be. Or it could be Eh”Intellect” playing the tired old “Yer not doin’ it like me, yer doin’ it all wrong” game. Like Scribblerg, driving by to throw a blob of negativity into the comments from… Read more »
foxguy Interesting essay Rollo, agree on the increasing level of the technical changes, yet people are still people. That’s part of the problem. Your and my hindbrains are still stuck thousands of years in the past. Analogy: there’s a group of Indians in Arizona and Sonora, several different nations. The Pima people of Arizona have cousins down in Mexico. The Pima reservation is pretty close to Phoenix. They have what may be the highest rate of Type II diabetes in the world. That nation has agreed to be part of diabetes research since the 1960’s. Their cousins in Mexico have… Read more »
Incredibly thought provoking post… A few comments remind me of this
https://youtu.be/6gL0xQHI0wo
Could be. Or it could be Eh”Intellect” playing the tired old “Yer not doin’ it like me, yer doin’ it all wrong” game. Like Scribblerg, driving by to throw a blob of negativity into the comments from time to time. That’s funny. In between our seeing patients today, Eh and I were Skyping each other about Scribbler’s ego investment DEERing. There is a distinction with a difference between Eh and Scribs. And it has to do with True Humility vs. False Humility vs. Pride. (Google that…) And Rollo has often invited dissenting ideas in his Twitter feed. Yet when it… Read more »
Morpheus
A few comments remind me of this
lol
From my understanding, the digital world provides everyone with cheat codes. Point 1: Playing with the cheat code gives everyone easier access to success. That quick success can water down the original content, due to a lack of experience and a one track mind from the original content. People attempting to live other people’s lives or following another person’s frame of life. Point 2: The new enlightenment is being able to adapt to the new role that the digital/social media access provides. Adapting in a way that would maximize the benefits that one can receive from it, without abusing it.… Read more »
“A few comments remind me of this”
Not really, Mr. Scriptmeister. Ignorance ain’t bliss, Cypher was a low-lying Pareto Principle rube. Without fortitude, and wanting the fucking cheat code…:
“Frame is narcissism. Authenticity is what allows you to reap the benefits of narcissism, without suffering the narcissistic injuries when they happen.”
This is not antagonistic. It’s straight up in alignment…
The whole point is Authenticity. Good luck with your cheat codes. That’s not a condemnation. It is a challenge. Cheat codes are temporary. Don’t spin your wheels. Get to good.
https://rianstonept.blogspot.com/2017/10/authenticity.html
Heh, the comments on guitar are pretty great. As a guitar teacher of 20 years, I understand 🙂 The only reason I still have a job, in light of this brave new world of information overload, is that people still crave human interaction and face-to-face learning. Maybe I’m just trying to fit my old paradigm thinking into a digital box, but I still enjoy teaching and my students enjoy learning. And not just the old students. Same with my church, bunch of old-school Brazilians (because I was disillusioned with the American church) who highly value one-on-one training and being together… Read more »
One of my favorite quotes:
The secret of success is sincerity. Once you can fake that you’ve got it made.
Jean Giraudoux
Same with my church, bunch of old-school Brazilians (because I was disillusioned with the American church) who highly value one-on-one training and being together as a family. I think pockets of the old thinking and human interaction still exist, and always will, but they are certainly rarer. Human nature and needs haven’t changed, only the ways we go about fulfilling them How dare you? We are entering a new, digital Age of Enlightenment. I know a lot of the Manosphere would tell us we’re heading for a new Dark Ages of degeneracy and decay. Enjoy the decline, right? If this… Read more »
Not really, Mr. Scriptmeister. FWIW, I’ve read many of EhIntellect’s ankle biting repetitive comments about what Rollo writes, and TBH I’m often left scratching my head at what the hell he is exactly criticizing because the wording and articulation is so dense and opaque. So let’s try to be more concrete and specific here with an actual example. Take Dread. If the criticism is that one should NOT instill Dread in their partner/wife 24/7/365 with double doses of Dread delivery daily, then I think the answer to that is NO FUCKING SHIT DUH. Rollo can correct me if i am… Read more »
..but I hardly think that is what he is advocating or espousing when he writes or talks about Dread. Now if someone reads him on Dread, and forms that conclusion that you take this concept and go about the business on nonstop Dread implementation and never do a single thing ever that is Comfort inducing, then I think the issue is with the reader who must be borderline autistic in his interpretation and implementation of much of what Rollo writes on. Right. Correct. Thank you. And go beyond that with the idea of utility vs. value. Slavery (not getting pussy… Read more »
Now if someone reads him on Dread, and forms that conclusion that you take this concept and go about the business on nonstop Dread implementation and never do a single thing ever that is Comfort inducing, then I think the issue is with the reader who must be borderline autistic in his interpretation and implementation of much of what Rollo writes on. Right said Fred. And I’m not getting the Comforting inducing vibe. Where is that? And Rollo’s latest interview, heh, slap on the back with Andrew Tate (who I adore, no less) and the Stress/the stress/ keeping the girls… Read more »
And marriage sucks? A raw deal all the time? An when your daughter gets married to a good son in law? Rollo? Sentient? My daughter and son in law are great. In perpetuity. It’s like high five dude… Despite Scribblers claims. That he will fuck my daughter or wife with impunity because he is AMOG personified. Good luck with that… It’s simple. It’s not easy. Guys shouldn’t marry or have LTRS? WTF? That’s the party line? The party line should be: Only for the selected few. Only those that can handle the truth… Reject the old stuff? Because there is… Read more »
@Blax…. No…You’re wrong. Anyone who starts off their learning by copying never truly understands the structures or reasoning supporting the concepts. It’s the problem with learning systems that incorporate rote learning or memorization which is copying. In the area of the Red Pill or Game the clearest example is in The Pick Up Artist reality show with Mystery. The contestants who internalize his concepts move forward. Those who just copy what Mystery does slip up when they face challenges. This has been a big controversy in the PUA community with charlatans making videos or writing books based on what they’ve… Read more »
I look forward to the book but based on this snippet your analysis of religion is analysis of low church Protestantism. Priests don’t interact with their laity this way and even if they did, their behavior wouldn’t affect the integrity of the Church. The purpose of communion is the Eucharist. The priest is just there to administer the communion and provide counsel to his parishioners. There is a greater focus on individual clergy in Protestant services, especially in low church “Southern Baptist” and other evangelical churches, than there in the Catholic Church. When Jim Swaggart got caught with prostitutes, that… Read more »
Rollo, you always make good points and I am glad you exist in the world. You are helping people. But you are very verbose, I am sorry to say. Here and in your books. Please would you consider employing an editor, you need to cut-cut-cut otherwise it’s painful to read.
http://www.glassdoor.com – not glassceiling.com
@wala
“In the context of this blog it’s the difference between copying game routines and actually understanding Male-female sexual dynamics.”
Yes. In the process of sitting through many hours of kids taking piano lessons, I picked up some music concepts…tone production…dynamics…voices…you won’t get those concepts if you’re just copying some dude on the internet…and you sure as h*ll won’t develop an authentic style. Now, there might be a youtube vid explaining those concepts, if you know to look for it.
Playing music and playing with women…got to be some common denominator, right?
““The ease of the digital new order makes us lazy.”
I used to wonder why the wise put wisdom in riddles. The riddle of education.
Yet many people still yearn for the organic, tactile experience of analog. A couple of good mundane examples: the re-emergence of vinyl albums and film photography. This re-emergence isn’t limited to older generations who already had experience with these formats – it’s more younger people who grew up with mp3s and iPhones/digital photography getting into these analog worlds. Even cassette tapes are now making a comeback in the hipster urban enclaves. like Brooklyn, NY. Very strange, but understandable. We’re analog creatures.
My fingers are digital and I have digital cassette tape recordings.
On the other hand everything that comes out of a speaker is analog.
Sjf I get you defending your buddy, but for the life of me, I don’t get what the particular but up Eh’s was is. It’s like he wants everyone to understand that he ” knows ” something, but there’s never any payoff at the end of his mini rants. This shit about dread… I read the same stuff he’s read here, and in my mind he’s misunderstanding and being extreme. Who the fuck ever said dread 24/7/365? Where here is ” taking away from her ” espoused as a motive operandi? If I said keto was an option for men… Read more »
That’s fine, I can give us all a useful tool for approaching a woman’s perspective while dispelling the myth that women can’t appreciate a man’s “sacrifices”. First of all, women aren’t fools. They don’t do things that they don’t think would work. Where an unsuccessful person struggles to succeed, a woman wouldn’t likely see that struggle in a positive light unless that person was her child. Men aren’t children, so the path is open for them to resent women because they give the kids the “right to fail”. Whereas, the woman might be dealing with a guy who doesn’t “get… Read more »
I’m not sure why, but your post reminds me of this scene from “The Intern: Ann Hathaway’s half-drunk (In vino veritas?) character’s casually and offhandedly making demeaning and insulting comments to and about the men her age, to their faces (i.e., “womansplaining”?), while holding up Robert DeNiro’s character as an example of what a “real man” is…a “dying breed” of “cool” men. While she apologizes for the “tirade”, it’s typical of the feminist mentality: I want an old school cool guy/Alpha, but only within the confines of the cultural and legal structures that almost exclusively benefits women. And this was… Read more »
Long gone huh?
That’s too bad.
For the above commenters and Rollo (if you haven’t already) I highly recommend you read Mark Manson’s book Everything Is F*cked: A Book about Hope. (His section about AI at the end is naive though). It talks about the fact that we are now so well off in the developed world that “the blue dot effect” is making us ruin the soceity we’ve created, ie we look for problems that don’t exist. It also talks about the fact that humans struggle to live without any religion, ideology, celebrity worship etc. because it will then shine a light on the struggle… Read more »
Sorry, meant to leave the link to the clip from “The INtern”.
Men like Manson don’t often like the meaning they find.
Dunno
For the above commenters and Rollo (if you haven’t already) I highly recommend you read Mark Manson’s book Everything Is F*cked: A Book about Hope
Mark Manson…Mark Manson…now where have I read that name before?
Yollo for the win! “l. The average guy is a nobody who is hitting on other nobodies for sex while those name nobodies vet them and other nobodies for potential.” Since I started to work on my mindset, which has been years in the making. I’m beginning to see the above also. Hence my observation that we are in the beginnings of a caste base system, the nobodies continue their endless bickering and dysfunction(97% of people), while the upper class sharpens their tools and prepares their new generations. I won’t even spend a minute on dysfunctional/nobodies these days, no matter… Read more »
@Shark
Nice clip, never saw the flick. Hathaway displays a version of the hunger that can be seen in 20-something girls all around, right now, in real-time.
Do you know what “Sugar Babies” are?
The process of mastery, the process and dedication needed to attain it, used to contribute to the creative impetus required to use it. With the hard work, time and effort required to achieve mastery in the past, came the hunger to achieve. The drive to beat those past masters who had put you through the wringing mill to get where you were. I have listened to those same supposed guitar masters of the digital age like the 9 year old girl playing Van Halen. They are technically proficient but they have no soul to their playing. They play the notes,… Read more »
Lol, in context ( it is a movie after all, don’t take movies to heart ),the comments in the clip aren’t demeaning or insulting. ” Men” can’t be demeaned or insulted by women unless they choose to do so. Resonating with the feminine. I continue to be awed by his many average guys keep bringing up MeToo as if they are at risk targets somehow. Buffers are buffers. Look for reasons not to do something, and ye shall find them. Fear. Laziness. Lack of knowledge. That’s never anyone else’s fault. Never thought about what people I don’t know might think… Read more »
“This shit about dread… I read the same stuff he’s read here, and in my mind he’s misunderstanding and being extreme. Who the fuck ever said dread 24/7/365? Where here is ” taking away from her ” espoused as a motive operandi?” I’ve seen it up close and personal IRL in less than competent MRP guys. It’s the mirror image of Children Plying with Dynamite. It’s often baked in the cake of MRP guys going Rambo in their tactics. It’s not infrequent with the less-than-conscious-competence crowd. It’s ham-handed. https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/22/dream-girls-and-children-with-dynamite/ Pride is one thing that people get very confused about. It’s… Read more »
😂😂
Exhibit A –
https://mobile.twitter.com/selfconquering/status/1217451568863305729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3ARationalMale&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftherationalmale.com%2F2020%2F01%2F14%2Fthe-new-age-of-enlightenment%2F
It’s entertaining, but really, who gives 1 fuck?
No man in any great numbers ( practically zero ) will ever witness this irl.
Keep perspective boys.
Here: (Couched as “self-improvement”. Note all the caveats and disclaimers):
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/2lpafb/the_12_step_plan_of_dread_book_excerpt_from_my/
I’m not down on RP for its utility. I see holes in it’s execution. And they sometimes glare. By less than competents.
There is value in intents and purposes.
Who wrote that shit?😂
Reddit.
Really, Reddit.
I have a bridge for sale. It spans over water in Brooklyn. I’d better go in Reddit to optimize my sale potential.
…. Reddit
@SJF, I’ve reinstated EhIntellect based on your information.
That said, I will point out that his sudden “conversion” comes conveniently after my being dropped from the 21 Con roster and his change of heart basically parrots all the bullshit and defamation talking points that have been coming from these new “Patriarchs” since June of last year.
BluePillProfessor. A prominent moderator on MRP reddit, which is not for nothing. He distilled several hundred married red pill sources including Rollo and Athol Kay in his book.
I’ve had long discussions with him (I’d consider him a buddy of mine, at arms length) and changed somewhat when he would devolve all the time into all dread all the time. “Because that’s all we have as men.” Yes I know that is a caricature. But up close and real at the same time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/374wln/what_we_talk_about_when_we_talk_about_dread_13/
Well, I struggle to give bluepillprofessor any credence because from what I’ve read, he’s got nothing pertinent to my life.
So he can write on Reddit until his fingers fall off and I’ll never know it.
He’s speaking from his experience and perspective. I give him no authority ( because men can do that ).
Those guys bore me to tears. And I’m not a fan of those so called patriarchs.
“He’s speaking from his experience and perspective.” That may be so. But in his book he also cited hundreds and hundreds of talking points from the manophere red pill incorporating Rollo’s, Chateau Heartiste, and Athol Kay and Ian Ironwood’s writings. I really liked the utility of his book. And the fact that a skilled masculine man doesn’t need, for the most part to go beyond his dread level 4,5 to take back the narrative in a marriage relationship. It’s in the Rambo-ing beyond Dread level 5 that things get malevolent when just used for utility rather than value. And it’s… Read more »
It wasn’t so sudden.
And there is rational logic behind the conversion.
And it’s not what you think. And it could be open to debate if one were so willing…
Adam I have listened to those same supposed guitar masters of the digital age like the 9 year old girl playing Van Halen. They are technically proficient but they have no soul to their playing. They play the notes, but they do not play a song. That’s a common problem with younger musicians. In my not very informed opinion, one can’t play a song until able to play the notes. Playing the notes by watching YouTube isn’t the same as sitting down with a master, but it’s better than previous alternatives. Because “just playing notes” is very common in one-on-one… Read more »
Blaximus
I continue to be awed by his many average guys keep bringing up MeToo as if they are at risk targets somehow.
You remember any man who commented here getting all worked up at first about Rose McGowan’s accusation? I remember one guy, Blat or Blut or something like that.
No man in any great numbers ( practically zero ) will ever witness this irl.
Sure, because most brides in the US are overweight and would look absurd in that getup. If you’re saying that open hypergamy isn’t around, and arguably growing, you aren’t paying attention.
Rollo @SJF, I’ve reinstated EhIntellect based on your information. That’s kind of you. It will be interesting to see how Eh chooses to respond. @Blaximus BluePillProfessor used to comment here, I recall he was reasonable and could think. Some men get fixated on one tool and can’t see anything else, it’s like the old Maslow line about “when all you have is a hammer”. If that’s what’s happened, it’s too bad. But it doesn’t make my pair of The Glasses fog up. A lot of people don’t understand basic reasoning, and IMO that’s why so much confusion about simple Red… Read more »
I haven’t done a proper dismantling in a while so here goes: “Today I can go on YouTube and find a 9 year old girl in a country I’ve never heard of before play Eruption by Eddie Van Halen, note for note, because she learned it from another YouTube “content provider”.” Not true. Rollo writes from a pure top-down, true-nature-is-forced-upon-us perspective. Here I go again…. Rollo writes as if the internet taught the girl guitar. Stupid on stilts. That’s like Rollo learned guitar by osmosis of the 80’s hair band environment. The girl he describes had to learn it as… Read more »
@Anonymous Reader BluePillProfessor used to comment here, I recall he was reasonable and could think. Some men get fixated on one tool and can’t see anything else, it’s like the old Maslow line about “when all you have is a hammer”. If that’s what’s happened, it’s too bad. But it doesn’t make my pair of The Glasses fog up. A lot of people don’t understand basic reasoning, and IMO that’s why so much confusion about simple Red Pill things is growing. Because people can’t differentiate between “tree” and “forest”, or “some” and “all” anymore? I agree. It is the “when… Read more »
Now that I have y’alls attention….and yes, Morpheus, I’ll tone it down for the shrinking violets here…bless their hearts…. Rollo’s IP address comment is lol. He’s too egotistical to consider he’s doing it wrong. All he sees is all he gets and calls that masterful as he measures himself with himself. I had no idea RP ideas were under attack from within the 21 convention. Lol. Blax wrote something to effect: If one guy claims you’re out of hand perhaps he’s wrong. If a lot are claiming you’re out of hand…perhaps they’re right. Isolation is dangerous Rollo. Law #18, yo!… Read more »
Talking about “enlightenment” I just very recently decided to visit a forum of MGTOW, to see what that shit is really about. JESUS!! What a bunch of psycho-pussies. The message board was filled with broken, pathetic guys whining and shouting about how “evil”, “manipulative” and “dangerous” women are. Posts & posts & posts & posts of circle-jerking the same beaten message: “Wimun r evillll”. What a fucking disgrace Manhood has turned into these recent years. I’ve been wronged by women and men throghout my life. But – like all men should do – I always get up, catch the pieces… Read more »
End of sermon. End of discussion.
Not so long ago but between mastery and god and culture finding a mate and having a family so many aspects of growing up have been speed up so that you 7 year olds know just as much as 10 year olds.
As for
and self-gratifying sedation (porn is the industry who brought VHS into DVDs and so an…) it just dosnt end because its a want more than a need that plays off a need.
It boils down to this Rollo: Either you don’t realize you reason half right observations as all correct and that makes you ignorant and innocent..or…you realize you’re reasoning is incomplete but refuse admitting so and that makes you malicious liar. It just is and I’m not attempting to troll. We’re beyond opinions. Either you don’t know what you don’t know or you are purposely deceiving, even in the slightest, your readers for personal gain. You must be one or the other and not at the same time. Like AF/BB, hah. Knowing an ounce of your error makes you all culpable.… Read more »
Could have posted this instead of link Long in tooth and soul Longing for another win Lurch into the fray Weapon out and belly in Warrior struggling To remain consequential Bellow aloud Bold and proud Of where I’ve been But here I am Beating chest and drums Beating tired bones again Age-old battle, mine Weapon out and belly in Tales told of battles won Of things we’ve done Caligula would grin Beating tired bones Tripping through remember when Once invincible Now the armor’s wearing thin Heavy shield down Warrior struggling To remain relevant Warrior struggling To remain consequential Cry aloud… Read more »
I do not want to live in this brave new world.
I decided not to watch TV, not to be present online.
And it does not exist. All this globalisation bullshit, digital world bullshit does not exist. At all.
Try it our.
Final comment.
Rollo, go ahead, publish your book, you’ll look even more unknowledgable, more isolated in your self-rightious indignancy. It’s a bad look for you.
No one benefits. Some frames collapse from within. Stop fighting with your own frame.
Interesting post and comments. Appreciate everyone’s back and forth. I’m just noting the extra heat coming through the comments since the posts veered into religious territory. Also wanted to again thank ASD, AR, Blaximus, Yollo, KFG, wala, Sentient, and SJF for the usual insights. And to Rollo, for the original work! As we’ve seen first hand and through observation, we each have to find our own way, and to find like-minded people. Re: the conversation on Dread, I think really internalizing Briffaults Law is a good start: meaning, don’t give away all you have to give unless you have rock-solid… Read more »
@Random Nobody
Valid point.
“The case of Eh seems pretty obvious.” And the map is not the territory. The description of the thing is not the thing itself. The model is not reality. The abstraction is not the abstracted. An enigma is not always mysterious, puzzling, or difficult to understand with boots on the ground. The song One Thing Leads to Another by the Fixx is about malleable (easily influenced) politicians. The writer of the song said: “If you’re going to be a liar, you’d better be a damn good liar and remember what you said, or the whole thing’s going to get pear… Read more »
RM. “I haven’t done a proper dismantling in a while so here goes:”.
RM. “And I’m gonna nail this fucking book to their church door.”.
Appears you have finally mentally snapped and become emotionally dismantled.
What comes after nailing the book to church doors ? Are you going to upgrade to plastic explosives ?
Maybe you need to be on an FBI Watch List.
Oh brother…..
What a coincidence, the re-instantiation of “Coolio” all of a sudden. Well, well, well.
I have one question: Who sock puppet this is?
AR. You’re an obvious pin head.
@Ronan Yeah, the really virulent MGTOW’s in deep despair are like crabs in a bucket, constantly pulling each other down. The “looksism” sites are the same. There actually are men getting surgery on their legs to make them taller, because “looks”. It’s insane. Back up from their insanity and just look at the way the interact: as far as I can tell, it’s all emotion, all the time. They can’t take criticism, some of them can’t even take simple instruction, because they are stuck in a female-style emotion storm that just goes on and on. It would be interesting to… Read more »
The burden of Man has always been to build. Build new things (sometimes destroy the things built by others) and rebuild that which has been destroyed. Now, millions of snowflakes are too scared of “evil, giant women” and decide to “run away” instead of finding solutions and fighting the good fight! What a fucking disgrace! Unfortunately it seems we need WWIII or some sort of global crisis to create strong men again. According to this, men exist to make stuff and tolerate feminism and if they don’t they deserve to die. Even the SCUM Manifesto didn’t go that far to… Read more »
Who is it that openly hates men?
Tell me.
Give me a number, 1-1,000,000, or are you talking about ” everybody”?
I’d love it if this kind of flippant bullshit would cease, but it’s the internet so……
Making stuff is a good deal of what defines humanity.
Just sitting around being yourself is a good deal of what defines a vegetable.
The Fake Gamer douche is back, Rollo. I’m posting from my home computer so it should be easy to tell us apart.
@Blax @SJF
If you want a woman to chase you, you have to have options. Having options instills dread. 24/7. That’s just how it works. You don’t have to work at creating dread if you have options. Spinning plates where you just flirt produces dread because your nonverbal comms (which your woman sees) broadcast that you have options.
You don’t have to be a d1ck to create dread.
Rollo, you might enjoy this Ribbonfarm article which begins: When theologian Martin Luther debuted his Ninety-five Theses in 16th-century Germany, he triggered a religious Reformation — and also a media revolution.
Rollo, you might enjoy this Ribbonfarm article which begins: “When theologian Martin Luther debuted his Ninety-five Theses in 16th-century Germany, he triggered a religious Reformation — and also a media revolution.” https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2019/12/17/mediating-consent/
Ah, thanks Megan. Someone understands my reference.
SJF
Blue Pill Prof is aptly named. His 12 step program is a muddle. And very Purple. He cribs Athol liberally.
I “lost” three body parts today…at the dentist, lol. Two of the teeth came out in pieces. Not fun when the dentist dug out the roots. Only took 600 mg of Ibuprofen and used warm black tea bags to stem the flow of blood. Now I have some voids in my mouth that need bone fill in. 140 for all three. In a few months comes the painful part–prosthetic teeth at 3500 a pop. If you avoid drinking coke from cans, your teeth will thank you. If you have cans, pour warm coke over ice in a glass. Pop from… Read more »
Rollo,
Just when I start to doubt you and your motives, you have a guest like Aubrey Huff who clearly looks up to you and was pretty forthright with you, the 357 story was powerful and it shows the journey we must all go through. Focus on those stories and helping men, forget the narcissists and their “war rooms” and focus on the real guys with real problems and solutions like Aubrey. Real value in that interview.
Thank you for it.
“Having options instills dread. 24/7.” Well, the point that some of us are having is that if a guy had desirable-ness because of unconscious competence, he would not need to instill dread 24/7. There are these things called hormones and valuable women don’t need to have someone else outside of themselves overdrive their adrenal glands. With an attempt to drive their brain and ovarian glands. The point is not to “try hard”. Because of lacking in charm. I’m not perfect. But I try to move toward charm (the power or quality of giving delight or arousing admiration). SJF Blue Pill… Read more »
Some really interesting stuff in here Rollo. The red pill is such an apt analogy for it all. It’s been so transformative for me and I’ve improved so many things in my life, but I still can’t shake this weird nostalgia for when I believed in the magic that the blue pill promised.
This was one of my favorites, I’ll be thinking about it for awhile
Good read Rollo, greetings from Germany. Found a typo though, it’s Guttenberg not Guttenburg.
Keep it up, you are saving lifes.
Great article. A relevant observation I just realized after reading. I decided to start my own service business in a highly regulated field that has zero tangible assets. I started this journey about 3 months ago and it’s going to go live at the end of the month. I have 5 high quality vendors I’ve contracted for different areas of the business. I’ve never met any of them in person and all of them are located in different cities across the country. One even has employees in India. The expect total cost of these vendors for a full year of… Read more »