The New Age of Enlightenment

The Old Order

I can remember a time back in the 1980s when I would visit my mother for a weekend and she’d insist my brother and I go to her church on Sundays. At this point in her life she was very much an Evangelical Christian. I would go with her because my mom’s side of the family had always been the religious side, and that was just part of who my mom was. I did have a basic faith in God and Christianity at the time, but my father was a card carrying atheist (and nominal Unitarian) for his whole life, so I had a pretty eclectic religious education when I was a teenager.

My father was a skeptic by nature and a lot of my own questioning nature was indirectly influenced by him. I can remember going to my mom’s church and suffering through the worship music to get to the sermon. I actually enjoyed the sermons because they gave me something to chew on intellectually. Not that the 15 year old Rollo was much of a thinker at that time, but I always had basic questions for these guys after the speech. When I got a bit older, in my early 20s, I started wondering who these ‘pastors’ really were as people and what made them qualified to deliver sermons. I really wanted to talk with these guys, but doing so meant I had to sit through their hard sell about how Jesus had saved them from themselves. I always thought this was kind of silly considering most of these guys weren’t much older than me. How hard a life could these guys really have lived by 25?

Most of these pastors weren’t used to was really having to engage much with their congregations beyond what was required of them to maintain appearances. I don’t mean that they were inaccessible; most of them had something outside of church that kept them involved with people. It’s that prior to the internet the way a pastor, or a church, did business usually centered on a man delivering a message (presumedly inspired by God) and then shaking hands with the faithful after the sermon was over as they filed out the door. End of sermon. End of discussion. 

If you wanted to talk about the sermon, or, heaven forbid, criticize the interpretation or message in some way that was a conversation relegated to your family, or perhaps a home group discussion. Assuming you even were in a home group or had a few peers you could discuss it with, you always risked running afoul of someone whose ego-investments in his/her faith would put them on edge by questioning it. The old order of religion, not just Christianity, used to be based on respecting the man delivering that message as God’s ordained spokesman, or reading whatever book he might’ve published, processing it yourself or with a handful of other believers, sussing things out and waiting for the next message on the next Sunday. There was very little engagement about articles of faith or doctrine unless you were a guy on the inside.

All of this changed with the advent of the internet and the globalization of mass media and communication.

Today, there’s hardly a pastor (mainstream or obscure) who doesn’t have a blog or a YouTube channel on which he (or she) contemplates his last/next sermon. In the 80s-90s even the most introspective religious leader would have only a handful of people to bounce ideas off, but today a sermon is almost focus grouped before the guy walks up to the pulpit on a Sunday. Meanwhile, that same pastor is engaged on two or three social media accounts discussing everything from religion, to politics, to praying for his favorite NFL team to make the playoffs.

The old order of how religion was done has given way to a new, globalized process of how we do religion. Today anyone, believer or not, has access to that pastor on a moments notice. Didn’t like the message? Thought the interpretation was inaccurate? You can tell him on his blog’s comment thread or fire off a tweet to start a discussion about it before he can even drive home from church. 

This is the age of globalized engagement – and this new paradigm is fundamentally altering old order institutions. What the Guttenburg press did for religion by publishing the Bible for the masses, now the internet has done for the old order way in which people can engage with the process of their beliefs – and not just religious belief.

The New Enlightenment

February of last year I wrote an essay about the Global Sexual Marketplace. In that post I described how globalization isn’t just about economics or demographics – globalization also applies to intersexual dynamics. Gone are the days when a young man or young woman could expect to meet one of the handful of eligible, single people in their high school, small town or limited social circle to pair off and start a family with. In the old order young people were stuck with the choices of a limited Local sexual marketplace. Today, with our instant, robust forms of communication, a worldwide sexual marketplace has now opened up the romantic prospects of virtually anyone with a smartphone and an internet connection. Don’t like your prospects in your hometown? Now there’s a whole world of men and women waiting to meet you. The old order of intersexual dynamics has fundamentally shifted and all in less than 20 years.

The rapidity of this shift is what I believe is at the root of the problems that surround the new way of doing the old order institutions. As a global society we are still reluctant to let go of the falsehoods of those old order institutions; even in light of the new order evidences and data collected as a result of this unprecedented access. While we attempt to reconcile our old order beliefs with what a global information network confronts them with, we cling evermore tightly to what we thought we knew because it formed the foundation of who we are. And as we try to make sense of it we are presented with both true and false narratives that pander to the fact that this information and technology is progressing at a rate that most human beings’ minds were never evolved to keep pace with.

My good friend Aaron Clarey (Captain Capitalism) recently published a tour de force article on women entering into and dominating most of the future of Corporate America, and how men ought to welcome this change. It’s a great post, so definitely go read the whole thing, but after I’d finished it I was struck with the idea that what Clarey was on to was describing an old order institution (Corporate America) and how we still perceived it from an old order understanding. On the surface it seems counterintuitive to think of women assuming authority over what was the Male Space of Corporate Culture as a good thing. Cap was being facetious for the whole thing, but his point was really this: women have coveted the reigns of Corporate America for a long time now, but their feminist thirst for power (Fempowerment) is based on an old order understanding of what Corporate America really is, or will eventually become. Like a debutant late to the party, the status and prestige that the Feminine Imperative sells women to believe is inherent in Corporate America is all old order bullshit. So, yeah, have at it ladies. The information age has stripped back the curtains on the Corporate America you assumed all that student debt to participate in.

Academia is another area in which this old order vs. new enlightenment understanding is taking place. Prior to 2000 if you heard a particular professor had a reputation for being tough, you had to get it from a third party. Today we have rate-the-professor.com or something similar. Now you can see how well a teacher performed from students who took their classes from a decade ago. 

GlassCeiling.com is an aggregate of current and ex employees rating the work environment of damn near any company today. Yelp.com does something similar to a businesses performance. And as a result most of these companies hire specialized personnel to maintain their online reputations – and this is the paranoia that comes from presuming old order impressions of a company are relevant in a new order paradigm.

Analog Thinking vs. Digital Thinking

“In the future, everything that can be digital will be digital.” 

I’m not sure who originated this quote, but I can remember it being tossed around in graphic design circles as early as 1993. Back then the print industry was transitioning to a digital way of production. Adobe Photoshop was at version 3.0 (when I started using it) and QuarkXpress was revolutionizing pagination for pretty much every publication at the time. The writing was on the wall. I was fortunate to be coming into my career on the cusp of the old order traditional ways of creating ads and publications (stat cameras and pasteup galleys) and learning their digital equivalents in design applications. I had to get real good, real quick, not only in terms of understanding the hardware, software and networking, but also in using it to create effective, creative, advertising. A lot of my contemporaries struggled with this transition. My mentors in design were old school designers. They taught me a lot with respect to effective advertising and design, but they couldn’t teach me the new tech that was changing every 6-8 months. Whereas in the old order a design agency only focused on print media and employed a full complement of professionals for each aspect of production (photography, typography, pasteup, pressmen, etc.) now I was responsible for all of these jobs and more to come as the internet opened up more new media to desktop publishers like me.

I had to get real good, real fast, and maintain my creative edge all while expanding into more and more new areas and methods of producing what I do. The old order designers either adapted or went extinct. Since the early 90s this narrative has played out across countless professions and trades. I can remember listening to Lars Ulrich from Metallica complain about how Napster’s peer-to-peer file sharing of MP3s was going to be the death of the music industry. The old order musicians weren’t ready to accept the realities of “everything that can be digital will be digital”.

Analog business models, analog thinking, that have formed the basis of who we are as a society are still in place today. In some ways we can force-fit those old order ideas into our new order digital reality, but eventually that old order thinking reveals its age. College professors, church pastors, your 9-5 corporate American cubicle supervisor, the self-help guru you think has some sort of relevance, the old pop psychologist whose heyday was in the last millennium, all these personalities and an endless number more are all struggling to stay relevant against the information that the new order of 2020 confronts them with.

It’s not that these people are luddites. They embrace the technology and the new means of disseminating their craft, their ideas, their ideologies, in the digital age. It’s that their thinking is still mired in the analog age – an age in which ideas were formed on information that was limited to what generations that came before could gather with the means they had available to them then. The ideas of an analog age are what we’re presently trying to force-fit into the new understanding presented to us by this digital age. We enjoy the luxuries, sensations and entertainment that the digital affords us, but we immerse ourselves in it without realizing how our old order thinking defines why we enjoy it. Our analog selves, the product of millennia of evolution, still defines what our digital selves are without realizing the dangers inherent in our engaging with it. As such we get digital addictions – pornography, social media, ‘engagement’ – and we make our analog selves dependent on a digital economy.

How many YouTube content producers rely on their ’side hustle’ revenue to pay their bills today? How many self-published authors have quit their day jobs to write for their new employer, Amazon, today (Amazon owns 86% of the publishing market today). How many former cubicle workers decided it was more lucrative to start an internet business than continue slaving away at a corporate gig that only made their bosses rich? Today, we’ll readily shift to the digital world to sustain us financially – in the end we don’t have much choice – but it’s the old order thinking that pervades this new “reality” and causes problems.

The number one way that couples meet, since 2005, is online. Via Tinder or Match or other net based ways. Gone are the days of boy-meets-girl, eyes fixed on the other across a crowded high school gym dance floor. Gone are the days of meeting your “bride” at church camp. Those are old order romanticisms, and ones that we still want to force fit back into our new order reality. We think in analog, but we live in digital.

Barriers to Entry

Another thing I did at age 15 was play a lot of guitar. My teenage, MTV fueled, mind really had a love for music. The heavier the better. But the barrier to becoming a “Guitar God” like my heroes was something that was very prohibitive at that time. If you wanted to get good; good enough to actually get a band going, you had to seek out a guitar instructor at the local music store who hopefully shared your taste in music. Beyond a once-a-week, 1-hour lesson, you had no other means of learning an instrument than practicing on your own, buying a book of guitar tablature from the music store, or endlessly wearing down a cassette tape by going back over the song you wanted to learn again and again. And all this was the process of learning to play just a song you liked. I had to learn how to compose a song, write some lyrics, form a band, learn to promote it, and somehow figure out how to scrape up enough money to record a demo in a music studio. The barrier to entry was very steep. You had to love the art so much that you would dedicate a good portion of your life to mastering it.

Today I can go on YouTube and find a 9 year old girl in a country I’ve never heard of before play Eruption by Eddie Van Halen, note for note, because she learned it from another YouTube “content provider”. We have far more resources to understand how to be competent in, if not master, virtually anything today than at any other time in history. We have access to the entire world’s aggregate of information in a device that fits in our pocket.

In his book, Mastery, Robert Greene describes how the barriers to entry into previously prohibitive arenas of life are gone in the digital age. And just like the music industry of the 70s through the 90s, old order industries and institutions have had to cope with the restructuring of their businesses and lifestyles as new generations of digital savvy (if not digital thinking) people become competent in, sometimes master, what took them decades of perseverance to master themselves. What we see in this shift is the Barons of the old order media, industries and institutions  – who jealously guarded their own knowledge-base – attempting to force-fit their analog thinking into a digital mold.

As a result, conflicts arise. When Über revolutionized the idea of ride-sharing in the digital age, the old order taxi companies enlisted every legal tool in their arsenal to fight the inevitability of their old revenue model disappearing. We see the same scenario play out in everything that can be digital becoming digital now. Even the old order institutions that built their mastery and prosperity on a successful pivot to the digital (the early dot coms) are finding that even newer aspects of the digital now threaten the successes of that initial pivot.

Content is King

Mastery is now easier to attain than at any other time in human history. The old order, analog thinking masters strictly limited teaching their secrets to anyone but the most worthy of apprentices. Those apprentices had to had the most serious dedication to their interests and would likely do menial tasks for much of their apprenticeships just to be in the presence of their mentors. That hard-won mastery is gone in the digital age. That’s not to say that practice and dedication aren’t still necessary for mastery today, but the barriers are largely removed. As a result, we are now encountering a generation of self-appointed “masters” in arenas wherein previously the title of that position of mastery implied respectability. Again, old order thinking predisposes us to believe that if a self-declared master online grants himself a title we should presume he “did the work” to earn that title.

For all this easy access to competency, mastery, information-based skills, what we find lacking is real, valuable content. It’s great that we have access to the tool boxes of old order masters, but what do we build with those tools? Thus far, not very much. Usually those tools build rehashes of old order ideas to be sold as something novel in the digital age. When I’m critical of the Success Porn grifters of this digital age, what I’m really drawing attention to is the reselling of old order, tired ideals. Motivational speakers, new age gurus, self-help “coaches” of today, are really only selling the same old order thinking in a more convenient, more easily disseminated digital method. The content is old. The religion is old. The thinking is old, and it’s thinking that is still firmly rooted in an old order understanding of how the world ought to be based on the limited information set available to the people creating it at that time.

The ease of the digital new order makes us lazy. For all of the access we have now, for all of the information we have, we’ve never been more unmotivated. The process of mastery, the process and dedication needed to attain it, used to contribute to the creative impetus required to use it. Today we’ve never been less creative in our thinking. It’s why we keep returning to old order stories and movie franchises. We just retell the same old order thinking stories in more advanced and colorful ways with the technology of the digital order. But we just repeat ourselves; or we add some social justice twist to stories that were timeless because the art took precedence over any other consideration.

The Red Pill

In the earliest days of the seduction community the forums that sprang up around men looking to get laid was an extension of this old order vs. new order thinking. The internet and conversation forums dedicated to Game, pickup artistry and dating were a predictable application of attempting to solve old order problems (getting laid) with new order information. Men in particular wanted to figure this out, so, as expected, they would coalesce and compare notes across the planet, each sharing their personal experiences with other men. Then further combining that experience with data available from psychology, anthropology, sociology, evolutionary theory and dozens of other related fields of study to provide a global consortium of men with a more accurate database on intersexual dynamics than they’d ever had available to them in any prior era.

Up to this point (I estimate 2001 or so) men had to figure out the dynamics between themselves and what women were becoming since the Sexual Revolution. And most of that “figuring it out” was based on limited information, based on old order thinking. The old challenges of understanding ourselves doesn’t change, but the way we think about those challenges is in constant flux; and that changing has become increasingly more rapid in a global age.

With that change comes conflict with the old order thinking. In terms of the Red Pill, old order thinking manifests itself as Purple Pill regressiveness. Often times the new Red Pill awareness conflicts with the old order thinking that present generations have based their existences on. They refuse to acknowledge the data we have access to now that we didn’t when they were forming beliefs and ideals that would form their personalities and ego-investments. Yes, there are certain timeless truths, but we must hold “common sense” to the same scrutiny we would apply to new ideas in this age. When I identify a person or a concept as Purple Pill this is what I mean by it; usually, it is an old order ideal being force fit to conform to align with new order data. 

We desperately want our belief sets, our ideals, to be confirmed by the information we have access to in the digital age. Sometimes this does happen and we feel validated for it, but more often we see that our efforts in building a life according to the old social contract or an old order way of understanding ourselves and the world is invalidated. And this is what either builds us up anew or forces us into stasis in our lives.

The Red Pill has been redefined in many ways on many occasions over the past 20 years to fit the sensibilities of people who really want to give a new validity to whatever pet ideology they think it should apply to. Most of these people have no business calling anything “red pill”, but they’re attracted to the concept as a proxy term for ’truth’. 

Initially, in the earliest days of the SoSuave Forums, we used the Matrix analogy to describe how a guy who still believed and still behaved according to his old order understanding (his conditioning) of intersexual dynamics was stuck in his ignorance. The old way of thinking about women – that up to that point was based on limited and largely inaccurate information – was still what a Blue Pill guy would accept as reality. It required a guy to “unplug” himself from that old order-informed way of thinking and transition to a new awareness of intersexual dynamics. Hopefully that guy could live a better life (even save his own life) by using the information in that new order tool box. Thus, we have the Red Pill analogy, but what the Red Pill really describes is exactly the casting off of an old order ignorance in favor of a new order thinking predicated on information we were limited from in prior ages.

We are entering a new, digital Age of Enlightenment. I know a lot of the Manosphere would tell us we’re heading for a new Dark Ages of degeneracy and decay. Enjoy the decline, right? If this is true and we are spiraling to more ignorance, depravity and superstition on a now globalized scale it will be the result of not changing our ways of thinking according to the new data we have access to today. It’s never been easier to become what we want to become today, but with that facility comes lethargy, a lack of creativity and insight, and self-gratifying sedation. Just because we’ve been enlightened by this new, globalizing knowledge-base doesn’t mean we know how to apply it.

If we do enter a decline it will be the result of an inability to unplug from a comforting old order way of thinking.

This essay is from an abridged preview of my upcoming book The Rational Male – Religion.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

415 comments on “The New Age of Enlightenment

  1. Hey Rollo, have you ever thought about reading your essays online? If you simply took your top 20-30 essays and read them – that is basically free content and it will be better distributed than these essays. People people are more likely to watch or listen on YouTube than visit your site and read. Just a thought to consider. Would be simple 5-10 min clips

  2. Daniel 12:4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

    8 I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, “O my lord, what shall be the outcome of these things?” 9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand.”

    Apparently as knowledge increases, the wicked will use it for wickedness, and the wise will use the knowledge to purify and refine their practices. So, basically I think your analysis is correct.

    We just need to bear in mind that the wicked vastly outnumber the wise. If you want to monetize something for maximum profit, figure out an easier way for people to do wickedness. Sadly, that is where the mass market will be. If you want to turn many to righteousness or even just refinement, via truth, you may be persecuted by many and struggle to support yourself, nearly as well as the charlatans peddling fun yet self-destructive delusions. The most popular and profitable pastors will be the ones preaching licentiousness. Don’t take that advice, just be aware of it. It is a bit of truth that isn’t as fun as the delusion that the wicked would want to clean up their act via using the increased knowledge available to us now, to become better people, and not just to become better at wickedness.(sloth, immorality, greed, overindulgence, selfishness, Etc.) Without a very long term or eternal perspective, and a belief in a greater good outside of yourself, the lure to cast off wisdom and indulge in instant gratification will seduce and enslave you to a shallow life of sensual hedonism likely foreshortened by such foolishness.

  3. “Today I can go on YouTube and find a 9 year old girl in a country I’ve never heard of before play Eruption by Eddie Van Halen, note for note, because she learned it from another YouTube “content provider”.”

    Not true. Rollo writes from a pure top-down, true-nature-is-forced-upon-us perspective.

    Here I go again….

    Rollo writes as if the internet taught the girl guitar. Stupid on stilts. That’s like Rollo learned guitar by osmosis of the 80’s hair band environment. The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it. It is a matter of will…her will to learn…not the internet content. As I’ve written before, in RP world we are products of our environment and don’t have a say how we learn. Full stop. Rollo blinds men with his own myopic benighted-ness.

    Moreover, Rollo serves up sex by the numbers and all the misdirection and excuses a guy needs to explain away why he can’t get laid. Hypergamy! The FI! Femcentric! Hazelton! He captures all the weak-willed excuse-mongers and also the egomaniacal stuff-strutters (ask me how I know, I binged heavy) and none of clear conscience-d and authentic and masterful (Rollo kiss-ass again with the malice-in-chief R. Greene reference, oh-throw-up).

    Rollo writes anecdotally. Rollo doesn’t get the purpose of religion or wants to as his writing loses focus of religion almost immediately. Religion isn’t his wheelhouse; Current events are. Sensationalized sexual, et. al. gossip as substance is easy to recall without much care to peel back or learn any ancient precedence other than we climbed out of the trees and his meat-fisted Jungian insecurity pop-psychology. Rollo writes slothfully, filled with self-righteousness with no real help beyond alpha-up! and n-count ueber alles.

    All this is written willfully ignorant thus excused by definition. It’s ok, y’all. He doesn’t know what he refuses to understand. He should stick to greyhound rescue. They won’t reject him for his go-to, force-fitting evo-bio slavery on their non-sentience and soullessness. Humans prefer freedom of choice. It’s a thing, I hear.

    Have a nice day.

  4. The number one way that couples meet, since 2005, is online. Via Tinder or Match or other net based ways. Gone are the days of boy-meets-girl, eyes fixed on the other across a crowded high school gym dance floor. Gone are the days of meeting your “bride” at church camp

    This is true for the churchgoing people as well. I have seen it in my social circle. Yeah, there are some college girls who meet their future husband at a church related event, but there are many who used one of the online matching services. Yet Boomer churchgoers cling to the “church camp” model in their head and are upset when a girl meets & marries a man via the Internet.

    They get even more upset when I point out that this is just the normal process of interviewing to fill a position. “Interviewing a wife? Gasp!” and so forth. Yeah, it’s not 1980 whatever anymore.

    I was working with a small startup a few years back and the nominal HR person was having a real problem hiring, “what newspaper should I advertise in?” stuff. She wasn’t comfortable using an online service like indeed.com, yet she had to get over that hurdle or fail to staff departments. Adapt or go out to pasture.

    The gig economy means people think and act for themselves. That’s disturbing to older hierarchies. Life will go on, anyway.

  5. Sharkley
    f you want to monetize something for maximum profit, figure out an easier way for people to do wickedness. Sadly, that is where the mass market will be

    That reminds me, a friend of mine was running service trucks out to fracking rigs for a while. Not down well services, food and beverage delivery. After a while he had to tell the drivers “No, you may not give hookers rides out to the rigs, that’s not the business we are in”. Apparently this wasn’t popular with management, because a few weeks later he got fired. It doesn’t bother him. Not a bit. He’d make the same decision again.

  6. “The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it.”

    The former guitar teacher me to my former guitar students:

    “I can’t teach you how to play guitar. You have to learn it. What I can do is save you a lot of time by showing you what to learn, why to learn it and make sure you don’t learn it all wrong.”

    Which was the point. Things that took me years to learn I had to learn can now be looked up in seconds with live demonstration.

  7. I’m right there with you, excellent article. I’m 65, started spinning scanners in the early eighties. Then photography. Seen it all…

  8. Brilliant.

    This is delightfully “new stuff” because it is the product of critical thought and analysis – an increasingly rare capacity.

    Technology is only a tool; the old problems must still be solved. GPS means no longer do we have to rely on temperamental ground-based radio navaids (or shoot stars for a position plot) but if that howling crosswind isn’t compensated for we still get blown off-course. GPS just makes it easier to solve the same problem. (And the ground is just as hard.)

    Is it “analog thought” vs. “digital thought,” or Thought vs. No Thought (i.e. Belief). Consider that “centers of higher education” no longer teach critical analysis and thinking, they don’t teach students how to think; these now teach students WHAT to think. Orwell’s Right Think.

    Critical analysis and thought is the capacity to take disparate, seemingly random elements and from these see the connections, creating something entirely original and new: this is what Rollo does. This capacity is why he is always generating something new and revolutionary. Those who parrot, will only ever be able to parrot, because these lack the generative capacity; they don’t know how to think: “For all this easy access to competency, mastery, information-based skills, what we find lacking is real, valuable content.” (One marker of true originality is controversy generated.)

    Because the capacity for thought is increasingly rare, the world now is fracturing into various “belief camps” bounded by “purity tests.” Those who can bridge these camps (because they can actually think originally for themselves, and so reverse-engineer and understand disparate positions) are increasingly rare.

    When it comes to human sophistication in thought, the only difference between the Dark Ages and today, is that today we have at our fingertips the Library of Congress.

    And that is why this is such an awesome read.

  9. ““The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it.”

    The former guitar teacher me to my former guitar students:

    “I can’t teach you how to play guitar. You have to learn it. What I can do is save you a lot of time by showing you what to learn, why to learn it and make sure you don’t learn it all wrong.”

    Which was the point. Things that took me years to learn I had to learn can now be looked up in seconds with live demonstration.”

    +100

    Maybe Eh can’t play guitar ( or any instrument )?

    If I had this, I could have cut out many days sitting on the edge of my bed, as Rollo says – wearing out a cassette recorder going back and forth again and again.

    Lol, for years Gilmore was my arch nemesis, string bending bastard.

  10. EhIntellect, Says: The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it. It is a matter of will…her will to learn…not the internet content.

    For somebody with Intellect in your handle, you sure missed Rollo’s point. Perhaps you’re autistic or a savant?(smart, yet always missing the point) Rollo had to save for a week to buy a crappy lesson with a guy who may not have even known the songs he wanted to learn to play. You won’t learn to tap out “Eruption” by repetitively practicing the bar chords from the last lesson you paid for. Or he could have waited a few years until the tablature for “eruption” appeared in “Guitar Player” magazine and then purchased a copy at a newsstand and tried to learn hammer-ons and tapping just by reading a tablature chart. This young girl can, for free, at any time of day or night, download multiple professional quality tutorials on how to play “Eruption” demonstrated by great guitar teachers, and even watch repeatedly, close up, as the late Eddie Van Halen himself plays it live in concert. Her learning resources are beyond what Rollo could have ever dreamed about at her age. Undeniably it makes her task of learning to play “Eruption” a lot faster and easier.

    … his meat-fisted Jungian insecurity pop-psychology. Rollo writes slothfully, filled with self-righteousness with no real help beyond alpha-up! and n-count ueber alles.

    And that’s apparently good enough to keep you crawling back for more. LOL You love it Baby! All I hear is: Rollo takes you roughly and you keep squealing “Ohhh Rollo stop! You’re stretching my pussy!”

  11. There’s a big difference between learning and copying.

    In the context of this blog it’s the difference between copying game routines and actually understanding Male-female sexual dynamics.

  12. initially, you learn by first copying.

    Understanding usually comes later for most.

    The wealth of knowledge on the internet has increased my understanding ten fold easily.

    Now Effort is a whole other thing entirely.

  13. “The ease of the digital new order makes us lazy. For all of the access we have now, for all of the information we have, we’ve never been more unmotivated. The process of mastery, the process and dedication needed to attain it, used to contribute to the creative impetus required to use it. Today we’ve never been less creative in our thinking. It’s why we keep returning to old order stories and movie franchises. We just retell the same old order thinking stories in more advanced and colorful ways with the technology of the digital order. But we just repeat ourselves; or we add some social justice twist to stories that were timeless because the art took precedence over any other consideration

    Here, here. I approve this message.

    …. but Bad Boys 3 is coming out soon.

  14. This ‘EhIntellect’, is a sock puppet or bot account. This is not our original EhIntellect’s IP match, and judging from the repetitive trolling of the same baseless and ignorant accusations in every post I make, regardless of the topic, I can only conclude this is another 21Con middle schooler with nothing to do.

  15. @Rollo

    This ‘EhIntellect’, is a sock puppet or bot account. This is not our original EhIntellect’s IP match, and judging from the repetitive trolling of the same baseless and ignorant accusations in every post I make, regardless of the topic.

    Not hardly. He’s not trolling. He changed. He’s very spiritual (religious based, and not that there is anything wrong with that, right?… ) and moved away from red pill take-away-from-the-spouse tactics. Because as witness on the internet, sometimes those MRP game tactics can be malevolent.

    He used that two years ago, found it very successful, but then ultimately destructive in an ongoing real life of living his best. Him and his wife are doing great. And they never, ever had a low sex marriage, ever. (I have to say that for the peanut gallery…)

    Something also is happening with BluePillProfessor, (who one year ago was spouting Dread and The TakeAway is all us men got with our wives to survive…) he’s changing as a red pill coach, witness his latest YouTube video–combining Alpha (red pill) with Beta (John Gottman research.

    EhIntellect is working in a different city during the week far from his homestead. Hence the different IP address.

    He is doing great in his marriage with an excellent wife and four kids. He’s a close friend of mine. He changed his life around for the better. Like only 100%. He’s a great guy. I poached him off your site to be a buddy a couple years ago and that has made a huge difference for the better for me in my life.

    I thought you wanted commenters to debate your words if they had differences with what you say. Especially in regards to Red Pill and Religion. Don’t you have a book coming out about that?

    Now I do agree that his latest comment was a little shooting from the hip. And he speaks in a different language the few can understand. Like Pook used to do.

    I’ve changed too. Some of this change came about because of talking to BluePillProfessor in real life at our cigar lounge and realizing his anger and resentment bred with “enlightened self interest” which is couched selfishness for utility if not well performed with competence and mastery. Taking the wife for only her utility late in marriage and not for her intrinsic value and soul (BPP professor had a non-alliant wife and petulant children. Sorry if he reads this…. Eh and myself have alliant wives and well brought up children. And we found all Dread all the Time to be destructive. And both of us are far from not-very-competent. Ask me why. )

    And you can’t dismiss such change as just Purple Pill, Trad-Con and any other label you want to be pejorative for married with children and harmony and comity with the wife. Working for the same purposes in a collaborative alliance rather than a collusive alliance to get value (the former alliance) over utility (the latter alliance) in others.

    Your Fundamental Attribution Error and IP address hunch on Eh is incorrect. You might want to hear what he says and why he is saying it… Unless you want to quash dissent and don’t want to hear other’s points of view. Take my word for it–he’s not trolling. At all. He truly dissents from what you are saying. So what do you think about that?

  16. “How hard a life could these guys really have lived by 25?”

    Shoot… they’d cussed, lusted and touched their wee whah with impure thoughts a plenty… Some even…



    danced

    Hellfire and damnation surely.

  17. Something also is happening with BluePillProfessor, (who one year ago was spouting Dread and The TakeAway is all us men got with our wives to survive…) he’s changing as a red pill coach, witness his latest YouTube video–combining Alpha (red pill) with Beta (John Gottman research.

    Athol Kay 2.0?

    Wives play the long game. Loooooooong game… When they’ve run down the dread train to a nub and FINALLY realize they have zero power over you -, for real, in the middle of the night, all alone – they concoct other, devious ways to suck you back in. Really just comfort tests disguising shit tests… And then the frog gets back into the pot…

    Eh found Jesus again? K

  18. This is brilliant. I was born in 1979; one of my best friends was born just a few years before me. We’ve
    both struggled for a long time to give a name to the phenomenon described in this essay. We share articles, Rational Male posts, Twitter stories, etc., but it never quite made sense until I read this.

    Being born on the cusp of the digital age is both a blessing and a curse. My father is an electrical engineer and brought home one of the first custom made PC XT’s, I think in the late 80’s. I got carte blanche on the PC for word processing, video games, coding etc. This was all completely brand new. I mean, we were still getting analog TV from a 12′ C-band satellite dish and a massive over-the-air antenna in the back yard at the time. Digital was completely new.

    Even though I had early digital experience, I do not consider myself a Millenial. I consider myself part of Generation X. I experienced the analog world and the digital world first-hand and I think I fit nicely somewhere in between. I love technology but I can shut it off when needed. I don’t think Millenials and Generation Z can turn it off. They don’t have that ability. Their lives are married to it. Mine is not. The ability to disconnect is lost on those generations.

    I agree with this essay in that if we do not work to effect positive change with the information we now have available, it’s because we do not know how- or we’re unwilling. I’m reminded of that movie Idiocracy, where the future had tons of scientific knowledge, but it was wasted on useless endeavors.

    As a kid, I thought we’d be living out a Star Trek novel by 2020. I think we’re further from that reality than we were back then.

  19. “Athol Kay 2.0?”

    No.
    Once again, I hope BPP is not listening in on me. I consider him a buddy in arms but disagree with his ham-handed approach to MRP for his own device. He distilled a great amount of MRP content in his book. And it helped greatly. But by his own distillation, a skilled MRP man only needs to get up to level 4 or 5 to turn things around. And that was sufficient for me.

    And you are totally missing my point by citing him in my comment. I would debate him face to face, about: Take-away dread is all us MRP folk men have, at all to gain utility. That is far from the truth and you understand that Sentient. Because you have attraction and masculine charm. You needed the dread a while ago. You don’t need it any more. And I take it you guys (your wife, children, and family had some charming family get-togethers during the holidays, without hardly trying). As did I. Natural, authentic and genuine.

    Last year I would sit around with my single buddy, red pill devotee, genius INTJ, wealthy buddy, status post three marriages and spinning plates in his early 60’s. Great frame and Game. Him and BPP would devolve into rants about how feminism and hypergamy and blah, blah, blah were the devil and the conversation would go on and on, without actually having good healthy productive relationships in real time in a competent fashion. Lack of healthy happy relationships bore me. And what is healthy? Having all things in hand. Every one is satisfied. How can you argue with that.

    Wives play the long game. Loooooooong game… When they’ve run down the dread train to a nub and FINALLY realize they have zero power over you -, for real, in the middle of the night, all alone – they concoct other, devious ways to suck you back in. Really just comfort tests disguising shit tests… And then the frog gets back into the pot…

    And why is that? And then what? And then life goes on. And on. And so it goes.

    Do you keep pressing it? Do you need to keep pressing it? Why? Do you need to?

    When and why is it not necessary? When you’ve broken her and she is compliant?

    And then what?

    So lets all mock Deida when things are good and she has value….

    Because that doesn’t happen in real life. Right?

    “Eh found Jesus again? K”

    Not hardly. I can tell you, in secret, that that has nothing to do with it. But then again, guess what? It’s short-sighted to say that

    Couch it all you want in the pejorative.

    Actually he found a good, no, great praxeology.

    Once Again: you can call what some of have in certain parts of the country and certain communities as Trad Con/Purple Pill/ Blue Pill. Those are only labels that don’t have the map being the territory. Great territory, boots on the ground is great in real life experiences. The proof is in the pudding.

    I’m not sure if you ever noticed that I might never have whined about how girls behave. In comments on TRM over the last 4.5 years. Why is that?

    On a separate note: “old order way of thinking” sans exclusively getting ones N-Count to the max is not for nothing. There is an entire possibility to be wise with old order plus new order. So much frustration and pandering to those not getting laid on the regular.

    And another note: I’m a secular being that grew up in a Catholic school through college environment that was near totally secular and focused on education and have no ill will or trauma or negativity towards religion. I’m not a church-goer. But I appreciate the value of spirituality in a religious vein (Not woo, woo licence spirituality. Not un-anchored Spirituality or fly in the wind pot smoking spirituality.) This past holiday season I read the psychiatrist author M. Scott Peck’s book The Road Less Traveled. It wasn’t PoPT shit. It starts out with: Life is difficult! and leads to explaining how to invest in the value of other people. Not to steal from them (utility). For your own and their benefit. It really changed my bearing. This is akin to fucking your girl good for her benefit. Try it. It works. And all of this last paragraph is not for nothing. And it is fun when you run with healthy relationships.

  20. Interesting essay Rollo, agree on the increasing level of the technical changes, yet people are still people. It can be argued that a belief/faith that technology will deliver us to the promise land/heaven is itself a religion(people are still people, not saying you are saying that but some indirectly are). I’ve heard a variation on the technological angle you wrote about for about a decade now, ” a kid in Africa will cure cancer with his cell phone/tablet/computer, etc” that still sticks in my head as it was said at one point by someone positioning technology as our savior in some magazine.

    I listened to your call on MLD’s show with regards to the red pill and the increasing spiritually/religious movement within it. It was inevitable that it would eventually go there as men began to look for larger meaning once the whole men/women intersexual dynamics topic exhausted itself out, which we are seeing. How many “single mother” twitter posts can people put out, it was going to come to end at some point. Hence the new positioning into the new business angles, yourself included. Is it correct to surmise that your stance on this with regards to how you will position your brand with the increasing demand from redpill/manosphere consumers for meaning will be to propose technology as the solution for men’s existential search for meaning? JBP got pretty famous using his “meaning of life” stories, what’s going to be yours “technology”? It may not sell as good as at least JBP had entertaining stories.

    Interesting times for the redpill as actors within it begin to cash in using new angles, Roosh has made his move into the Religious angle, as you pointed out Jay Campbell and others are into it, it sounds like you are moving into it, but from the technological/secular angle, but well have to wait for the book. It’s not just redpill either spirituality/religious/woo woo/crystals is exploding as people seek out a meaning for living, a meaning technology is not providing.

    People are still people…………….

    We are in the sorting stages for a new caste system, it will take generations but it’s plain as day. And just like in any other religion/caste, the priests/temple workers will be at the top of the caste whether it’s technology and the high priests are Gates, Bezos, etc or something else.

    People are still people……….

  21. Rollo
    This ‘EhIntellect’, is a sock puppet or bot account. This is not our original EhIntellect’s IP match,

    IP’s don’t mean as much as they used to.

    and judging from the repetitive trolling of the same baseless and ignorant accusations in every post I make, regardless of the topic, I can only conclude this is another 21Con middle schooler with nothing to do.

    Could be. Or it could be Eh”Intellect” playing the tired old “Yer not doin’ it like me, yer doin’ it all wrong” game. Like Scribblerg, driving by to throw a blob of negativity into the comments from time to time.

    I have the same thing to say to them and others: start your own blog, write your own books, show us all how it’s done right. Stop trying to tear down a useful site, and build up your own brand. If you can’t build your own brand, stop tearing other men down.

    Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

  22. foxguy
    Interesting essay Rollo, agree on the increasing level of the technical changes, yet people are still people.

    That’s part of the problem. Your and my hindbrains are still stuck thousands of years in the past.

    Analogy: there’s a group of Indians in Arizona and Sonora, several different nations. The Pima people of Arizona have cousins down in Mexico. The Pima reservation is pretty close to Phoenix. They have what may be the highest rate of Type II diabetes in the world. That nation has agreed to be part of diabetes research since the 1960’s.

    Their cousins in Mexico have a higher rate of diabetes than most Mexicans, but far lower than the Pimas in Arizona. The scientific evidence keeps building: it’s what they eat and drink. The Sonoran desert is a pretty tough place to live. Maybe their physiology is more efficient than most other people? Whatever the reason, when they live in the land of Big Gulps, they go diabetic before 40 and often before 30, with all the terrible health problems that result.

    Someone with Pima genetics who wants to live a long and healthy life just has to stay away from modern, processed, food and modern, processed, drinks. All of that stuff.

    The same thing is likely true for a lot of us with regard to mental and emotional health & the bottomless cup of digital stuff – from binging streaming video to binging social media to binging manosphere blogs, we need to limit and ration ourselves and that’s not easy.

    People are still people, fructose goes right to the liver, and other stuff goes right to the hindbrain. It’s a strange world that’s getting stranger faster.

  23. Could be. Or it could be Eh”Intellect” playing the tired old “Yer not doin’ it like me, yer doin’ it all wrong” game. Like Scribblerg, driving by to throw a blob of negativity into the comments from time to time.

    That’s funny. In between our seeing patients today, Eh and I were Skyping each other about Scribbler’s ego investment DEERing.

    There is a distinction with a difference between Eh and Scribs.

    And it has to do with True Humility vs. False Humility vs. Pride. (Google that…)

    And Rollo has often invited dissenting ideas in his Twitter feed. Yet when it comes he cries IP address change and trolling. That is ego defense. And non-openness to opinion.

    Listen and debate. Or not.

    I have the same thing to say to them and others: start your own blog, write your own books, show us all how it’s done right. Stop trying to tear down a useful site, and build up your own brand. If you can’t build your own brand, stop tearing other men down.

    So, don’t fight the Groupthink? No dissent? No counter-argument? Go away? Stop hassling me?…

    Lol. What type man can be teared down? One that has something to lose? From ego investments? From an economic investment?…

    Those with Pride, Narcissism, Ego defenses and are prone to DEERing. That being said I’m not accusing anyone of that at all. But it’s a keep it in your thoughts awareness idea.

    Lots of cognitive dissonance here. Red Pill Content Providers: Don’t take me for an example, but I have a LTR and kids who are good (or no kids), but be contentious and angry about your women partners. Ignore what I do happily with my spouse. And harmony. And let me feed the churn. Be angry, deny, bargain by manipulate with dread, don’t hesitate to be depressed. go for it.

    Don’t just be great. And have a flow state of confidence and competence. Don’t worry about investing in value, seek utility. Go for it.

    And God Forbid:

    “Love is the will to extend one’s self for the purpose of nurturing one’s own or another’s spiritual growth… Love is as love does. Love is an act of will — namely, both an intention and an action. Will also implies choice. We do not have to love. We choose to love.”
    ― M. Scott Peck

    Even if the former quote is one of utility, rather than and investment in value.

    I see it over and over in the old (old school) couples as patients. Old couples that love each other and aren’t antagonistic. How the hell did that happen?

  24. From my understanding, the digital world provides everyone with cheat codes.

    Point 1: Playing with the cheat code gives everyone easier access to success. That quick success can water down the original content, due to a lack of experience and a one track mind from the original content. People attempting to live other people’s lives or following another person’s frame of life.

    Point 2: The new enlightenment is being able to adapt to the new role that the digital/social media access provides. Adapting in a way that would maximize the benefits that one can receive from it, without abusing it.

    Point 3: The new order thinking is being able to obtain a deep knowledge of the content by learning and adding to the tool box, which can be used as needed. Creating a new and better life from it. One that is uniquely personal and not following someone else’s footsteps from the content that they received.

  25. “A few comments remind me of this”

    Not really, Mr. Scriptmeister. Ignorance ain’t bliss, Cypher was a low-lying Pareto Principle rube. Without fortitude, and wanting the fucking cheat code…:

    “Frame is narcissism. Authenticity is what allows you to reap the benefits of narcissism, without suffering the narcissistic injuries when they happen.”

    This is not antagonistic. It’s straight up in alignment…

    The whole point is Authenticity. Good luck with your cheat codes. That’s not a condemnation. It is a challenge. Cheat codes are temporary. Don’t spin your wheels. Get to good.

    https://rianstonept.blogspot.com/2017/10/authenticity.html

  26. Heh, the comments on guitar are pretty great. As a guitar teacher of 20 years, I understand 🙂

    The only reason I still have a job, in light of this brave new world of information overload, is that people still crave human interaction and face-to-face learning. Maybe I’m just trying to fit my old paradigm thinking into a digital box, but I still enjoy teaching and my students enjoy learning. And not just the old students.

    Same with my church, bunch of old-school Brazilians (because I was disillusioned with the American church) who highly value one-on-one training and being together as a family.

    I think pockets of the old thinking and human interaction still exist, and always will, but they are certainly rarer. Human nature and needs haven’t changed, only the ways we go about fulfilling them.

  27. Same with my church, bunch of old-school Brazilians (because I was disillusioned with the American church) who highly value one-on-one training and being together as a family.

    I think pockets of the old thinking and human interaction still exist, and always will, but they are certainly rarer. Human nature and needs haven’t changed, only the ways we go about fulfilling them

    How dare you?

    We are entering a new, digital Age of Enlightenment. I know a lot of the Manosphere would tell us we’re heading for a new Dark Ages of degeneracy and decay. Enjoy the decline, right? If this is true and we are spiraling to more ignorance, depravity and superstition on a now globalized scale it will be the result of not changing our ways of thinking according to the new data we have access to today. It’s never been easier to become what we want to become today, but with that facility comes lethargy, a lack of creativity and insight, and self-gratifying sedation. Just because we’ve been enlightened by this new, globalizing knowledge-base doesn’t mean we know how to apply it.

    If we do enter a decline it will be the result of an inability to unplug from a comforting old order way of thinking.

    I think it’s probably just me. But I took this as a non sequitur.

    It’s not like we are all clinical retards. Unless you want to label the Pareto Principle numbers as so.

  28. Not really, Mr. Scriptmeister.

    FWIW, I’ve read many of EhIntellect’s ankle biting repetitive comments about what Rollo writes, and TBH I’m often left scratching my head at what the hell he is exactly criticizing because the wording and articulation is so dense and opaque.

    So let’s try to be more concrete and specific here with an actual example. Take Dread. If the criticism is that one should NOT instill Dread in their partner/wife 24/7/365 with double doses of Dread delivery daily, then I think the answer to that is NO FUCKING SHIT DUH. Rollo can correct me if i am wrong, but I hardly think that is what he is advocating or espousing when he writes or talks about Dread.

    Now if someone reads him on Dread, and forms that conclusion that you take this concept and go about the business on nonstop Dread implementation and never do a single thing ever that is Comfort inducing, then I think the issue is with the reader who must be borderline autistic in his interpretation and implementation of much of what Rollo writes on.

  29. ..but I hardly think that is what he is advocating or espousing when he writes or talks about Dread.

    Now if someone reads him on Dread, and forms that conclusion that you take this concept and go about the business on nonstop Dread implementation and never do a single thing ever that is Comfort inducing, then I think the issue is with the reader who must be borderline autistic in his interpretation and implementation of much of what Rollo writes on.

    Right. Correct.

    Thank you.

    And go beyond that with the idea of utility vs. value. Slavery (not getting pussy on the regular being totally locked down. You know who you are…) vs. license (go for it). And the Red Pill is Amoral to the Max. Go for it. Because nothing else matters and my angry-ness told me so. I’m angry. Let me have unfetterd-ness. And go hog wild. And soothe my soul. Cause that ought to do it. Ok. I’m not talking about me. Once again. You never heard me whine about women, her ever. Go figure.

  30. Now if someone reads him on Dread, and forms that conclusion that you take this concept and go about the business on nonstop Dread implementation and never do a single thing ever that is Comfort inducing, then I think the issue is with the reader who must be borderline autistic in his interpretation and implementation of much of what Rollo writes on.

    Right said Fred. And I’m not getting the Comforting inducing vibe. Where is that?

    And Rollo’s latest interview, heh, slap on the back with Andrew Tate (who I adore, no less) and the Stress/the stress/ keeping the girls in line. Hell the vegetarian girl that had to be argued with for two hours, no less and then had to be brought into submission. That’s quite harmonious. Will her into it.

    Dread comes to her not from form fit egregious design. But from backhanded charm and fit and figure and passivity on the part of the male.

    I’m not stupid. Rollo has always advocated for that. But lectures to guys that can’t deliver. SoSuave. Don Juan. Etc.

    The gist is: The cheat codes only go so far. The enlightened self interest is only that. Call us old guys without a clue and good wives and well raised children.

    And everyting is so new, how the fuck can a guy keep up? And totally ditch the old codes?

    YGBTFSM?

    It’s not a cop out to say everything is new so, totally give up all that was old.

    It’s not even credible.

    And to discredit Married Guys that don’t have to “Game” because life is good is disingenuous.

  31. And marriage sucks?

    A raw deal all the time?

    An when your daughter gets married to a good son in law?

    Rollo? Sentient?

    My daughter and son in law are great. In perpetuity. It’s like high five dude…

    Despite Scribblers claims. That he will fuck my daughter or wife with impunity because he is AMOG personified. Good luck with that…

    It’s simple. It’s not easy. Guys shouldn’t marry or have LTRS? WTF? That’s the party line?

    The party line should be: Only for the selected few. Only those that can handle the truth…

    Reject the old stuff? Because there is new stuff?

    Not really.

  32. @Blax…. No…You’re wrong.

    Anyone who starts off their learning by copying never truly understands the structures or reasoning supporting the concepts. It’s the problem with learning systems that incorporate rote learning or memorization which is copying.

    In the area of the Red Pill or Game the clearest example is in The Pick Up Artist reality show with Mystery. The contestants who internalize his concepts move forward. Those who just copy what Mystery does slip up when they face challenges.

    This has been a big controversy in the PUA community with charlatans making videos or writing books based on what they’ve picked up somewhere else instead of truly understanding the key fundamentals driving female to male attraction.

  33. I look forward to the book but based on this snippet your analysis of religion is analysis of low church Protestantism. Priests don’t interact with their laity this way and even if they did, their behavior wouldn’t affect the integrity of the Church. The purpose of communion is the Eucharist. The priest is just there to administer the communion and provide counsel to his parishioners. There is a greater focus on individual clergy in Protestant services, especially in low church “Southern Baptist” and other evangelical churches, than there in the Catholic Church. When Jim Swaggart got caught with prostitutes, that doomed his church but if a priest gets caught fondling little boys it doesn’t doom the Catholic Church because the integrity of the Catholic Church isn’t bound up with a specific personality. Even an openly heretical pope wouldn’t doom the Church.

  34. Rollo, you always make good points and I am glad you exist in the world. You are helping people. But you are very verbose, I am sorry to say. Here and in your books. Please would you consider employing an editor, you need to cut-cut-cut otherwise it’s painful to read.

  35. @wala

    “In the context of this blog it’s the difference between copying game routines and actually understanding Male-female sexual dynamics.”

    Yes. In the process of sitting through many hours of kids taking piano lessons, I picked up some music concepts…tone production…dynamics…voices…you won’t get those concepts if you’re just copying some dude on the internet…and you sure as h*ll won’t develop an authentic style. Now, there might be a youtube vid explaining those concepts, if you know to look for it.

    Playing music and playing with women…got to be some common denominator, right?

  36. Yet many people still yearn for the organic, tactile experience of analog. A couple of good mundane examples: the re-emergence of vinyl albums and film photography. This re-emergence isn’t limited to older generations who already had experience with these formats – it’s more younger people who grew up with mp3s and iPhones/digital photography getting into these analog worlds. Even cassette tapes are now making a comeback in the hipster urban enclaves. like Brooklyn, NY. Very strange, but understandable. We’re analog creatures.

  37. My fingers are digital and I have digital cassette tape recordings.

    On the other hand everything that comes out of a speaker is analog.

  38. Sjf

    I get you defending your buddy, but for the life of me, I don’t get what the particular but up Eh’s was is. It’s like he wants everyone to understand that he ” knows ” something, but there’s never any payoff at the end of his mini rants.

    This shit about dread… I read the same stuff he’s read here, and in my mind he’s misunderstanding and being extreme. Who the fuck ever said dread 24/7/365? Where here is ” taking away from her ” espoused as a motive operandi?

    If I said keto was an option for men to lose weight and someone’s opposing view was ” I’m not drinking a gallon of liquefied fat every day “, would it be my fault that the person’s view is immensely stupid and they didn’t even bother with any level of understanding?

    And then they proceeded to troll and troll and troll?

    Imo, some guys read too much for their own fucking good, and I’ll say this much – if you are already in your 50’s and every few years something someone wrote makes you shift your life and mindset 180 degrees, you’re pretty fucked up. It means the first 30 years were basically a waste. I remember when Eh first started posting. Those tales of fighting ( or getting beat up ) and drinking and arguing and drinking and.cops and drinking.

    It’s great to change your life from that level of fuckery, but it’s also like when sinners find God/religion and want to tell others,.constantly, how wrong and bad they are.

    Meh. Fuck all that” I’ve found the secret ” bullshit. There’s a difference between debate and just telling someone they’re wrong. All that verbosity is stuff I’ve never had a stomach for. Plain speaking is evidently becoming a list skill.

  39. That’s fine, I can give us all a useful tool for approaching a woman’s perspective while dispelling the myth that women can’t appreciate a man’s “sacrifices”.

    First of all, women aren’t fools. They don’t do things that they don’t think would work.

    Where an unsuccessful person struggles to succeed, a woman wouldn’t likely see that struggle in a positive light unless that person was her child.

    Men aren’t children, so the path is open for them to resent women because they give the kids the “right to fail”. Whereas, the woman might be dealing with a guy who doesn’t “get it” that he’s in charge of the housekeeping of his life. NOT the woman’s opinion of him. You don’t argue with a woman’s opinion. JUST live up to what you say you are.

    And FIND OUT what you’re telling people without meaning to.

    What you declare yourself to be to others must be as Conscious a thing as possible to yourself. You HAVE to know what you’re selling.

    Ok second of all. The average guy is a nobody who is hitting on other nobodies for sex while those name nobodies vet them and other nobodies for potential.

    Therefore, MOST of these people have insecurities that manifest as shitty behavior. One such aspect being “Covetousness”.

    Therefore, if a Covetous woman were to perceive “worth”, which is the product a man’s “sacrifice”, why would such a woman hype the man up??

    She wouldn’t. Therefore the miserable basically are in deadlock with eachother in a playing contest.

    So there you go. Women CAN appreciate your sacrifice. Just not directly. They see you trying and then decide if you’re worth looking further into or not, which brings competition forth.

    But the men that feel hoodwinked by this dynamic want to try to set up a cartel of attention which would backfire because it’s based on an unconscious perpetuation of ignorance about the actual issue.

    THIS then is what you need to be able to “walk away from”. The fear of inadequacy. While you make up for any such inadequacy. Through technology or sustained effort. Or both. That’s the material aspect.

    The OTHER aspect s emotional. Basically practice good leadership. Learn what that is and how it feels. Especially how it feels. Because women ALSO like you based on how they FEEL around you.

  40. I’m not sure why, but your post reminds me of this scene from “The Intern:

    Ann Hathaway’s half-drunk (In vino veritas?) character’s casually and offhandedly making demeaning and insulting comments to and about the men her age, to their faces (i.e., “womansplaining”?), while holding up Robert DeNiro’s character as an example of what a “real man” is…a “dying breed” of “cool” men. While she apologizes for the “tirade”, it’s typical of the feminist mentality: I want an old school cool guy/Alpha, but only within the confines of the cultural and legal structures that almost exclusively benefits women. And this was before the added risks of the MeToo witchhunt. So delusional – – honey, those days are long gone, and the smart and high-value men have wised up to the scam of buying, rather than renting, a depreciating asset at the risk of being economically devastated based upon your future whim.

  41. For the above commenters and Rollo (if you haven’t already) I highly recommend you read Mark Manson’s book Everything Is F*cked: A Book about Hope. (His section about AI at the end is naive though).

    It talks about the fact that we are now so well off in the developed world that “the blue dot effect” is making us ruin the soceity we’ve created, ie we look for problems that don’t exist. It also talks about the fact that humans struggle to live without any religion, ideology, celebrity worship etc. because it will then shine a light on the struggle to find true meaning in life.

    Sorry if plugging other books aren’t allowed here and feel free to remove the comment 🙂

  42. Dunno
    For the above commenters and Rollo (if you haven’t already) I highly recommend you read Mark Manson’s book Everything Is F*cked: A Book about Hope

    Mark Manson…Mark Manson…now where have I read that name before?

  43. Yollo for the win!

    “l. The average guy is a nobody who is hitting on other nobodies for sex while those name nobodies vet them and other nobodies for potential.”

    Since I started to work on my mindset, which has been years in the making. I’m beginning to see the above also. Hence my observation that we are in the beginnings of a caste base system, the nobodies continue their endless bickering and dysfunction(97% of people), while the upper class sharpens their tools and prepares their new generations. I won’t even spend a minute on dysfunctional/nobodies these days, no matter what they look like, was at pizza joint for a school function yesterday, was getting IOIs from multiple women with their husbands there, all that came into my mind was the time/effort they would waste in my life and I mentally moved on. Waste of my valuable mental time.

    I see a positive vision of the future for myself and my family, that positive vision spurs me to action and relentlessly improving myself and my offspring every single day, one of my long term goals is to cement myself and my family into the upper classes in terms of mindset. The redpill(including Rollo to a degree) is stuck in a negative vision of the future and is used as an excuse to procrastinate by the nobodies and delay taking action. What if I get zeroed out you say? Then I build a new positive vision of the future and start taking action again, just like men have had to do since the beginning of time, instead of the endless whining from the redpill these days.

    @Rollo, you are getting pretty dogmatic these days, on the surface it looks like you have surrounded yourself at least in the Redpill sphere with people who are beholden to you for your blessing. This blessing carries financial implications for them, so they are loathe to challenge you. I believe Carl is the only one at this point who has independent income while all the others are financially dependent on the Redpill. Your first book is good work, I would have figured it out eventually but it would have possibly taken decades, so I’m grateful for the value and return from your work in terms of time. Keep adding value man, forget the endless squabbles that detract from the work, you do not need to open some new battlefront, you are an architect you are not an implementer at this moment in time.

  44. @Shark

    Nice clip, never saw the flick. Hathaway displays a version of the hunger that can be seen in 20-something girls all around, right now, in real-time.

    Do you know what “Sugar Babies” are?

  45. The process of mastery, the process and dedication needed to attain it, used to contribute to the creative impetus required to use it.

    With the hard work, time and effort required to achieve mastery in the past, came the hunger to achieve. The drive to beat those past masters who had put you through the wringing mill to get where you were. I have listened to those same supposed guitar masters of the digital age like the 9 year old girl playing Van Halen. They are technically proficient but they have no soul to their playing. They play the notes, but they do not play a song. And they could never write one similar of their own making. And why would they? It has already been done by someone else and they have mastered it so why bother.

    No, there is some brand “new” digital thing on the other tab ready to be learnt. Or so they think. This is the hollow age.

  46. Lol, in context ( it is a movie after all, don’t take movies to heart ),the comments in the clip aren’t demeaning or insulting. ” Men” can’t be demeaned or insulted by women unless they choose to do so. Resonating with the feminine.

    I continue to be awed by his many average guys keep bringing up MeToo as if they are at risk targets somehow. Buffers are buffers. Look for reasons not to do something, and ye shall find them.

    Fear. Laziness. Lack of knowledge. That’s never anyone else’s fault.

    Never thought about what people I don’t know might think of me, for whatever bullshit reasons they may have. Deal with folks as you come across them. I give no fucks at all about shit like Me Too or whatever. None of that makes anything harder in life.

    But I’m not a society junkie either, so there’s that. It’s sad to see men hardwired so tightly into society and it’s whims and bullshitery. 😂 Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, the CEO, the politicians, not relevant in my life. Just society doing it’s societal thing.

    Unplug already. Don’t straddle the fence. Learn how to live on your own, with yourself. Fuck crutches.

  47. “This shit about dread… I read the same stuff he’s read here, and in my mind he’s misunderstanding and being extreme. Who the fuck ever said dread 24/7/365? Where here is ” taking away from her ” espoused as a motive operandi?”

    I’ve seen it up close and personal IRL in less than competent MRP guys. It’s the mirror image of Children Plying with Dynamite. It’s often baked in the cake of MRP guys going Rambo in their tactics. It’s not infrequent with the less-than-conscious-competence crowd. It’s ham-handed.

    https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/22/dream-girls-and-children-with-dynamite/

    Pride is one thing that people get very confused about. It’s a healthy thing to have pride of oneself, to be proud of our accomplishments; it’s a very real source of self-confidence. Humility is an admirable quality, don’t get me wrong, but humility is only genuine when you’re confident of your own abilities. It takes a humble Man to walk away from a fight that he knows he could win, but chooses not to engage in. Generally humility is only self-gratifying, because only rarely will others appreciate it as humility (those familiar with your abilities) and not view it as cowardice, or at best a lack of confidence. Pride often appears arrogant because people of lesser accomplishments become envious, and people of better accomplishments think less of them than you do. It’s very important not to appear too perfect, but it’s equally important not to seem spineless.

    It’s quite another thing to be “prideful”and this is where the disconnect comes for a lot of AFCs, particularly ones with strong ego-investments in morality, chivalry, honor, etc. My old AFC self used to struggle with this as well. The AFC sublimates himself; he self-deprecates because he believes, erroneously, that this ideology will separate him from the herd, make him “not-like-other-guys”. He mistakenly believes that he’s unique in this when actually he’s in the majority.

  48. Who wrote that shit?😂

    Reddit.

    Really, Reddit.

    I have a bridge for sale. It spans over water in Brooklyn. I’d better go in Reddit to optimize my sale potential.

    …. Reddit

  49. @SJF, I’ve reinstated EhIntellect based on your information.

    That said, I will point out that his sudden “conversion” comes conveniently after my being dropped from the 21 Con roster and his change of heart basically parrots all the bullshit and defamation talking points that have been coming from these new “Patriarchs” since June of last year.

  50. Who wrote that shit?

    BluePillProfessor. A prominent moderator on MRP reddit, which is not for nothing. He distilled several hundred married red pill sources including Rollo and Athol Kay in his book.

    I’ve had long discussions with him (I’d consider him a buddy of mine, at arms length) and changed somewhat when he would devolve all the time into all dread all the time. “Because that’s all we have as men.” Yes I know that is a caricature. But up close and real at the same time.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedredpill/comments/374wln/what_we_talk_about_when_we_talk_about_dread_13/

  51. Well, I struggle to give bluepillprofessor any credence because from what I’ve read, he’s got nothing pertinent to my life.

    So he can write on Reddit until his fingers fall off and I’ll never know it.

    He’s speaking from his experience and perspective. I give him no authority ( because men can do that ).

  52. …that have been coming from these new “Patriarchs” since June of last year.

    Those guys bore me to tears. And I’m not a fan of those so called patriarchs.

  53. “He’s speaking from his experience and perspective.”

    That may be so. But in his book he also cited hundreds and hundreds of talking points from the manophere red pill incorporating Rollo’s, Chateau Heartiste, and Athol Kay and Ian Ironwood’s writings.

    I really liked the utility of his book. And the fact that a skilled masculine man doesn’t need, for the most part to go beyond his dread level 4,5 to take back the narrative in a marriage relationship.

    It’s in the Rambo-ing beyond Dread level 5 that things get malevolent when just used for utility rather than value.

    And it’s not defamation and bullshit, nor pejorative BluePill/PurplePill, Trad Con, Old School of books to one’s detriment to have a good healthy relationship with wife and kids and not dread all the time. Dread all the time is a declaration of weakness.

    …a deficiency in any one of a number of factors dooms an endeavor to failure. Consequently, a successful endeavor (subject to this principle) is one where every possible deficiency has been avoided.

    All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.

    In other words: happy families share a common set of attributes which lead to happiness, while any of a variety of attributes can cause an unhappy family.

  54. That said, I will point out that his sudden “conversion” comes conveniently after my being dropped from the 21 Con roster

    It wasn’t so sudden.

    And there is rational logic behind the conversion.

    And it’s not what you think. And it could be open to debate if one were so willing…

  55. Adam
    I have listened to those same supposed guitar masters of the digital age like the 9 year old girl playing Van Halen. They are technically proficient but they have no soul to their playing. They play the notes, but they do not play a song.

    That’s a common problem with younger musicians. In my not very informed opinion, one can’t play a song until able to play the notes. Playing the notes by watching YouTube isn’t the same as sitting down with a master, but it’s better than previous alternatives. Because “just playing notes” is very common in one-on-one lessons as well.

    Actually playing the music vs. playing the notes is one of those dividing lines in the musical world. I’m told it’s something that matters a lot in the more rarified air of musical conservatory.

  56. Blaximus
    I continue to be awed by his many average guys keep bringing up MeToo as if they are at risk targets somehow.

    You remember any man who commented here getting all worked up at first about Rose McGowan’s accusation? I remember one guy, Blat or Blut or something like that.

    No man in any great numbers ( practically zero ) will ever witness this irl.

    Sure, because most brides in the US are overweight and would look absurd in that getup. If you’re saying that open hypergamy isn’t around, and arguably growing, you aren’t paying attention.

  57. Rollo
    @SJF, I’ve reinstated EhIntellect based on your information.

    That’s kind of you. It will be interesting to see how Eh chooses to respond.

    @Blaximus
    BluePillProfessor used to comment here, I recall he was reasonable and could think. Some men get fixated on one tool and can’t see anything else, it’s like the old Maslow line about “when all you have is a hammer”. If that’s what’s happened, it’s too bad.

    But it doesn’t make my pair of The Glasses fog up.

    A lot of people don’t understand basic reasoning, and IMO that’s why so much confusion about simple Red Pill things is growing. Because people can’t differentiate between “tree” and “forest”, or “some” and “all” anymore?

  58. I haven’t done a proper dismantling in a while so here goes:

    “Today I can go on YouTube and find a 9 year old girl in a country I’ve never heard of before play Eruption by Eddie Van Halen, note for note, because she learned it from another YouTube “content provider”.”

    Not true. Rollo writes from a pure top-down, true-nature-is-forced-upon-us perspective.

    Here I go again….

    Rollo writes as if the internet taught the girl guitar. Stupid on stilts. That’s like Rollo learned guitar by osmosis of the 80’s hair band environment. The girl he describes had to learn it as she could play it. Not as the internet teaches it. It is a matter of will…her will to learn…not the internet content. As I’ve written before, in RP world we are products of our environment and don’t have a say how we learn. Full stop. Rollo blinds men with his own myopic benighted-ness.

    You’re not an idiot so I wont treat you like one. In this essay I added several contemporary examples of the ease of access and the diminishment of the ‘barrier to entry’ to “mastery” in comparison to what used to be required to achieve that mastery just 30-40 years ago. I could’ve just as easily used the example of a guy wanting to learn home renovations and making himself competent enough to make his house look better by logging on to YouTube and watching numerous videos to educate himself. The point was this: it has never been easier to access the education (in many ways, not just YouTube videos) as a path to mastery that used to be prohibitive.

    As I said, you’re not stupid, and this isn’t what’s upset you. You simply wanted an opportunity to straw man what I was illustrating in order to get a point across – that you don’t think I believe in freewill, or you want to paint me as a moral relativist because somewhere between last June and now the lying colluders still left on the 21 convention speakers roster have convinced you of a narrative they needed to concoct to defame me.

    They needed to caricature me as a nihilistic, determinist-atheist in order to pivot to their current grift of moral absolutism. A grift you apparently have aligned yourself with, and have decided to parrot their same defamatory talking points (i.e. “benighted-ness”). I see right through this ham-fisted “Rollo has a messiah complex!” bullshit EhIntellect. I don’t need to defend myself from deliberately specious crap like this; I have almost 20 years of work that entirely refutes all this.

    Moreover, Rollo serves up sex by the numbers and all the misdirection and excuses a guy needs to explain away why he can’t get laid. Hypergamy! The FI! Femcentric! Hazelton! He captures all the weak-willed excuse-mongers and also the egomaniacal stuff-strutters (ask me how I know, I binged heavy) and none of clear conscience-d and authentic and masterful (Rollo kiss-ass again with the malice-in-chief R. Greene reference, oh-throw-up).

    Again, more horse shit talking points. This has nothing to do with what I wrote about in this post, and has everything to do with you obsessively wanting an opportunity to grab my attention in order to convince yourself of the caricature you’ve been suckered into believing. Well, now you’ve got my attention, what do you really want to say? What baseless message do you want to convey to me that I haven’t heard already in the past 7 months?

    Rollo writes anecdotally. Rollo doesn’t get the purpose of religion or wants to as his writing loses focus of religion almost immediately. Religion isn’t his wheelhouse; Current events are. Sensationalized sexual, et. al. gossip as substance is easy to recall without much care to peel back or learn any ancient precedence other than we climbed out of the trees and his meat-fisted Jungian insecurity pop-psychology. Rollo writes slothfully, filled with self-righteousness with no real help beyond alpha-up! and n-count ueber alles.

    Ah, now we get to the “Rollo doesn’t give us hope” characterization. And to finish off the “Rollo thinks N-count is everything and we should all have meaningless sex before we die” trope that even Susan Walsh blathered about in 2011. The autistic kid that convinced you he’s all about Patriarchs, Families, God and Country is too stupid to know that all of this is old shit.

    All this is written willfully ignorant thus excused by definition. It’s ok, y’all. He doesn’t know what he refuses to understand. He should stick to greyhound rescue. They won’t reject him for his go-to, force-fitting evo-bio slavery on their non-sentience and soullessness. Humans prefer freedom of choice. It’s a thing, I hear.

    Have a nice day.

    I’m not really sure what happened to you Eh, but you are regurgitating ad homs, non-sequiturs, and stupid tropes I, and pretty much anyone else reading this, know are specious. I could go item by item and refute your nonsense claims with anything I’ve written over the past 19 years, but what would that do? It wont change your mind about anything. You used to be one of the more insightful commenters on this blog and I looked forward to reading your take on my latest post, but now it seems you’ve lost something of yourself recently. I initially thought your account had been hacked, but apparently it’s your critical thinking that’s been hacked.

    I think the closer I get to releasing my next book the more aggravated the moral-absolutists will get. And rightfully so; it’s going to connect dots most of them would prefer not to consider. And I’m gonna nail this fucking book to their church door.

  59. @Anonymous Reader

    BluePillProfessor used to comment here, I recall he was reasonable and could think. Some men get fixated on one tool and can’t see anything else, it’s like the old Maslow line about “when all you have is a hammer”. If that’s what’s happened, it’s too bad.

    But it doesn’t make my pair of The Glasses fog up.

    A lot of people don’t understand basic reasoning, and IMO that’s why so much confusion about simple Red Pill things is growing. Because people can’t differentiate between “tree” and “forest”, or “some” and “all” anymore?

    I agree.

    It is the “when all you have is the hammer” thing.

  60. Now that I have y’alls attention….and yes, Morpheus, I’ll tone it down for the shrinking violets here…bless their hearts….

    Rollo’s IP address comment is lol.

    He’s too egotistical to consider he’s doing it wrong. All he sees is all he gets and calls that masterful as he measures himself with himself.

    I had no idea RP ideas were under attack from within the 21 convention. Lol. Blax wrote something to effect: If one guy claims you’re out of hand perhaps he’s wrong. If a lot are claiming you’re out of hand…perhaps they’re right.

    Isolation is dangerous Rollo. Law #18, yo!

    I’ll consider assuming a teenage persona. That’d be hilarious.

    Blax my man!. Remember your banishment for opposing comments at Chateau (I think) and now you circle a RP wagon too. Priceless!

    IP addresses? That’s Rollo’s defense. He’s out of ideas, phones in another book.

    There’s the rapid “troll” accusation to kill debate as well. Weak. Out come the torches and pitchforks.

    Groupthink is pernicious. Good luck with that y’all.

    Scream “RP apostasy!” all you want. It doesn’t get guys laid much more than they are and definately doesn’t make their dicks bigger. Just ask Hank. Poor dude.

    I consider people more seriously than walking meatsack zombies confined to an psychological algorithm of responses. Consider me unorthodox.

    Rollo’s prescription for happy life: Suspect robotic treachery of all women. He should retitle his iron rules “How to distrust all women (and everyone else including yourself) in 10 easy steps.”

    At least ASD understands that life’s answers are sometimes within a mystery.

    Saul Alinsky wrote it well: 13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Nice work, Team TRM!

    I kinda prefer Rollo’s public witchburning and banishment anyhow. He’s lining himself up as the new world order Messiah. Testify!

    Speaking of dog shit, if I were to serve you a bowl of ice cream and tell you I added an insensible dogshit drop, would you yet eat it?

    Protip: Rollo serves it up without the full disclaimer. Anyhow some guys are used to it so much so they now prefer straight dog shit. Guten Appetit.

  61. Talking about “enlightenment” I just very recently decided to visit a forum of MGTOW, to see what that shit is really about.

    JESUS!!

    What a bunch of psycho-pussies.
    The message board was filled with broken, pathetic guys whining and shouting about how “evil”, “manipulative” and “dangerous” women are. Posts & posts & posts & posts of circle-jerking the same beaten message:
    “Wimun r evillll”.

    What a fucking disgrace Manhood has turned into these recent years. I’ve been wronged by women and men throghout my life. But – like all men should do – I always get up, catch the pieces and move on with my life. The day I stop doing that is the day I die.

    The burden of Man has always been to build. Build new things (sometimes destroy the things built by others) and rebuild that which has been destroyed.
    Now, millions of snowflakes are too scared of “evil, giant women” and decide to “run away” instead of finding solutions and fighting the good fight!

    What a fucking disgrace! Unfortunately it seems we need WWIII or some sort of global crisis to create strong men again.

    Sorry about the rant. It’s just that I had already hearplenty of things about those guys. But I never imagined they could be as toxic, whiny and bitter as feminists. 🙁

    Fucking, disgusting 21st century!

  62. End of sermon. End of discussion.
    Not so long ago but between mastery and god and culture finding a mate and having a family so many aspects of growing up have been speed up so that you 7 year olds know just as much as 10 year olds.
    As for
    and self-gratifying sedation (porn is the industry who brought VHS into DVDs and so an…) it just dosnt end because its a want more than a need that plays off a need.

  63. It boils down to this Rollo: Either you don’t realize you reason half right observations as all correct and that makes you ignorant and innocent..or…you realize you’re reasoning is incomplete but refuse admitting so and that makes you malicious liar.

    It just is and I’m not attempting to troll. We’re beyond opinions. Either you don’t know what you don’t know or you are purposely deceiving, even in the slightest, your readers for personal gain.

    You must be one or the other and not at the same time. Like AF/BB, hah. Knowing an ounce of your error makes you all culpable. Fess up, bro.

    It’s a matter of truth. Junk science and commentary is not your future. You are more than that.

  64. Could have posted this instead of link
    Long in tooth and soul
    Longing for another win
    Lurch into the fray
    Weapon out and belly in

    Warrior struggling
    To remain consequential
    Bellow aloud
    Bold and proud
    Of where I’ve been
    But here I am

    Beating chest and drums
    Beating tired bones again
    Age-old battle, mine
    Weapon out and belly in

    Tales told of battles won
    Of things we’ve done
    Caligula would grin

    Beating tired bones
    Tripping through remember when
    Once invincible
    Now the armor’s wearing thin
    Heavy shield down

    Warrior struggling
    To remain relevant
    Warrior struggling
    To remain consequential
    Cry aloud
    Bold and proud
    Of where I’ve been
    But here I am
    Where I end

    Warrior struggling
    To remain relevant
    Warrior struggling
    To remain consequential

    Tears in my eyes
    Chasing Ponce de Leon’s phantom
    So filled with hope
    I can taste mythical fountains
    False hope, perhaps
    But the truth never got in my way
    Before now, feel the sting
    Feeling time bearing down

    False hope, perhaps
    But the truth never got in my way
    Before now, feel the sting
    Feeling time bearing down

    Bearing down

  65. I do not want to live in this brave new world.

    I decided not to watch TV, not to be present online.

    And it does not exist. All this globalisation bullshit, digital world bullshit does not exist. At all.

    Try it our.

  66. Final comment.

    Rollo, go ahead, publish your book, you’ll look even more unknowledgable, more isolated in your self-rightious indignancy. It’s a bad look for you.

    No one benefits. Some frames collapse from within. Stop fighting with your own frame.

  67. Interesting post and comments. Appreciate everyone’s back and forth. I’m just noting the extra heat coming through the comments since the posts veered into religious territory.

    Also wanted to again thank ASD, AR, Blaximus, Yollo, KFG, wala, Sentient, and SJF for the usual insights. And to Rollo, for the original work!

    As we’ve seen first hand and through observation, we each have to find our own way, and to find like-minded people.

    Re: the conversation on Dread, I think really internalizing Briffaults Law is a good start: meaning, don’t give away all you have to give unless you have rock-solid Frame and you add clear continued value to her life. Burden of performance is a bitch, yet cannot ever be avoided.

    SJF keeps on emphasizing getting good at something, at mastery. I think this is absolutely right.

    Jordan Peterson (who I still greatly appreciate, despite recent tough times) once said “men test ideas, women test men.” This seems about right. This echos the important ideas of MPO, Mission, and Frame.

    Hope the readers of the blog don’t get bogged down by too much explanations and expositions.

    Red-pill is pretty simple. Men and women are different in specific and general ways. If you want a healthy LTR, both sides have to bring value to their partners, based on our nature’s needs.

    If you want to hack desire to secure consistent sex, both sides can do that too, No judgements from me certainly.

    SJF and others know that most religious, political, national, and racial energy are mostly pendulums (from trans-surfing)…Be aware of your own groupthink! Don’t hijack yourself by riding a pendulum that is not serving you! MPO!

    Thought I had something more coherent and profound to say, but that’s it. Be good, everyone!

    Just Beers

  68. “The case of Eh seems pretty obvious.”

    And the map is not the territory. The description of the thing is not the thing itself. The model is not reality. The abstraction is not the abstracted.

    An enigma is not always mysterious, puzzling, or difficult to understand with boots on the ground.

    The song One Thing Leads to Another by the Fixx is about malleable (easily influenced) politicians. The writer of the song said: “If you’re going to be a liar, you’d better be a damn good liar and remember what you said, or the whole thing’s going to get pear shaped, (which in British parlance means to go awry.) A lot of people stand on ballot boxes and say a lot of things and lie in order to get elected and do nothing.”

    In the world, but not of the world.

    Not blind-fully following worldly pursuits. Having a higher vision. “not of, but sent into.” in order to effect something…

    N.B. I’m not anti-Rollo.

    Oh, and BTW, I heard EhIntellect’s replies went to moderation….So much for re-instatement and debate.

  69. RM. “I haven’t done a proper dismantling in a while so here goes:”.

    RM. “And I’m gonna nail this fucking book to their church door.”.

    Appears you have finally mentally snapped and become emotionally dismantled.

    What comes after nailing the book to church doors ? Are you going to upgrade to plastic explosives ?

    Maybe you need to be on an FBI Watch List.

  70. What a coincidence, the re-instantiation of “Coolio” all of a sudden. Well, well, well.

    I have one question: Who sock puppet this is?

  71. @Ronan

    Yeah, the really virulent MGTOW’s in deep despair are like crabs in a bucket, constantly pulling each other down. The “looksism” sites are the same. There actually are men getting surgery on their legs to make them taller, because “looks”. It’s insane.

    Back up from their insanity and just look at the way the interact: as far as I can tell, it’s all emotion, all the time. They can’t take criticism, some of them can’t even take simple instruction, because they are stuck in a female-style emotion storm that just goes on and on.

    It would be interesting to try to get those sad and desperate men to talk about themselves, I kind of suspect a lot of them were raised by women and women only. Because they act like girls. It’s really sad, at a time when there’s so much information out there that they close themselves off in a little rage-bubble.

    CULTURAL FRAGMENTATION

    I could swear someone already addressed this but I can’t find it. Rollo’s “digitalization” is really shorthand for “digitized music / entertainment / instruction that resides on some server where it can be reached any time from almost anywhere on the planet”.

    Who listens to the local radio in their car now? FM or AM? Sat-radio like XM is 20th century tech, and one of the first adopters I knew was a long haul trucker. He watched one of his children graduate from college in his truck via livestream and XM, by the way.

    Anyway with XM and Spotify and Pandora and big flash memories nobody has to listen to the same music as anyone else. It’s not like when Boomers were in high school and the local radio station DJ was picking hits off of the format. It’s not like when X’rs were watching MTV vids all night. It’s not like carrying a file full of CD’s into the car for the commute. There is no equivalent to the Rolling Stones / Beatles phenom because the music industry is totallly fragmented.

    It’s also not like back in the 70’s when people all watched the same issue of MASH, or the 80’s when people watched the same issue of “Thirtysomething”. Streaming makes a whole lot of stuff available 24 / 7 anywhere there’s a data connection with enough bandwidth, and now the streaming services are originating a boatload of material, so that even with binging most people won’t see all of it.

    I don’t watch much TV, and I don’t care for George RR Martin’s fiction, so I didn’t bother to participate in “Game of Thrones”. Yeah, that means I didn’t get references from the 30 year old co worker or, hmm, th 50-something church lady either. It might be that GOT is going to be the last “common cultural artifact” for a while, too.

    Where does this fragmentation lead us? I don’t wanna give it up, because maybe I want to drive while alternating between Mozart and Vivaldi one day, Zappa and ZZ Top the next. But I’m pretty isolated from co workers who are listening to other stuff. Does it matter?

    I dunno.

  72. The burden of Man has always been to build. Build new things (sometimes destroy the things built by others) and rebuild that which has been destroyed.
    Now, millions of snowflakes are too scared of “evil, giant women” and decide to “run away” instead of finding solutions and fighting the good fight!

    What a fucking disgrace! Unfortunately it seems we need WWIII or some sort of global crisis to create strong men again.

    According to this, men exist to make stuff and tolerate feminism and if they don’t they deserve to die. Even the SCUM Manifesto didn’t go that far to dehumanize men.

    It’s no surprise that men refuse to make sacrifices for people who openly hate them.

  73. Who is it that openly hates men?

    Tell me.

    Give me a number, 1-1,000,000, or are you talking about ” everybody”?

    I’d love it if this kind of flippant bullshit would cease, but it’s the internet so……

  74. Making stuff is a good deal of what defines humanity.

    Just sitting around being yourself is a good deal of what defines a vegetable.

  75. The Fake Gamer douche is back, Rollo. I’m posting from my home computer so it should be easy to tell us apart.

    @Blax @SJF

    If you want a woman to chase you, you have to have options. Having options instills dread. 24/7. That’s just how it works. You don’t have to work at creating dread if you have options. Spinning plates where you just flirt produces dread because your nonverbal comms (which your woman sees) broadcast that you have options.

    You don’t have to be a d1ck to create dread.

  76. Rollo, you might enjoy this Ribbonfarm article which begins: When theologian Martin Luther debuted his Ninety-five Theses in 16th-century Germany, he triggered a religious Reformation — and also a media revolution.

  77. SJF

    Blue Pill Prof is aptly named. His 12 step program is a muddle. And very Purple. He cribs Athol liberally.

  78. I “lost” three body parts today…at the dentist, lol. Two of the teeth came out in pieces. Not fun when the dentist dug out the roots. Only took 600 mg of Ibuprofen and used warm black tea bags to stem the flow of blood. Now I have some voids in my mouth that need bone fill in. 140 for all three. In a few months comes the painful part–prosthetic teeth at 3500 a pop.

    If you avoid drinking coke from cans, your teeth will thank you. If you have cans, pour warm coke over ice in a glass. Pop from vending machines is far less acidic than from cans.

    Pro tip: You can minimize damage to teeth if you sip water frequently all day long and swish the water around in your mouth. Floss after each meal and rinse your mouth.

    Disclaimer: I’m not a dentist nor do I play one on tv.

  79. Rollo,

    Just when I start to doubt you and your motives, you have a guest like Aubrey Huff who clearly looks up to you and was pretty forthright with you, the 357 story was powerful and it shows the journey we must all go through. Focus on those stories and helping men, forget the narcissists and their “war rooms” and focus on the real guys with real problems and solutions like Aubrey. Real value in that interview.

    Thank you for it.

  80. “Having options instills dread. 24/7.”

    Well, the point that some of us are having is that if a guy had desirable-ness because of unconscious competence, he would not need to instill dread 24/7. There are these things called hormones and valuable women don’t need to have someone else outside of themselves overdrive their adrenal glands. With an attempt to drive their brain and ovarian glands.

    The point is not to “try hard”. Because of lacking in charm.

    I’m not perfect. But I try to move toward charm (the power or quality of giving delight or arousing admiration).

    SJF

    Blue Pill Prof is aptly named. His 12 step program is a muddle. And very Purple. He cribs Athol liberally.

    I don’t disagree. His moniker came from him teaching some sociology Blue Pill related class in a local college. The name was too cute by half. He’s totally red pill. Which becomes a problem at some point in not having “agency”.

    His twelve steps of Dread was a utility effort. So was Athol Kay’s. It stopped short of unconscious competence, mired in unconscience/conscience competence. Always having to think. And all operant conditioning, all the time. It becomes tiring for each.

  81. Some really interesting stuff in here Rollo. The red pill is such an apt analogy for it all. It’s been so transformative for me and I’ve improved so many things in my life, but I still can’t shake this weird nostalgia for when I believed in the magic that the blue pill promised.

    This was one of my favorites, I’ll be thinking about it for awhile

  82. Great article. A relevant observation I just realized after reading. I decided to start my own service business in a highly regulated field that has zero tangible assets. I started this journey about 3 months ago and it’s going to go live at the end of the month. I have 5 high quality vendors I’ve contracted for different areas of the business. I’ve never met any of them in person and all of them are located in different cities across the country. One even has employees in India. The expect total cost of these vendors for a full year of service is going to end up around 30k. (Regardless of how much business I do.)

    This has been a business I’ve wanted to start for years and it did take me nearly 9 years of experience at my prior corporate job to aquire all the relevant experience but the barriers to entry today are amazingly small. Quite frankly, the fear of starting this business was a significantly higher barrier than the actual process of standing it up. I credit alot of my confidence and openness to some of the learnings and pillars described on this site.

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