Respect Reconsidered • Part II

Respect comes very cheap today. In the last essay i made the case that there are gendered forms of Respect, each with their gendered understanding of what a universal idea of respect should entail. The same misunderstanding applies to our gendered concepts of Love; each sex presumes the other accepts and acknowledges their own ideals about love – men approaching love from outwardly expressed idealism, while women’s is rooted in inwardly (though increasingly outwardly) expressed opportunism.

For the most part this division of approaches to Love is something both sexes hold personally, and unless that person is an artist or a poet the expression of that approach to love is something we reserve for those we come to love. Love, like religion, is usually something we have a personal belief about, but it’s generally something we don’t broadcast to those we don’t love.

Respect is different. Our ideas of what defines respect is something we will broadcast because that ideal for Respect is something that’s socially expedient in getting the things we want. The first time I was told, “You don’t respect women!” was when I was 19. Even then, in my Blue Pill delusions, I saw a contradiction. The women (and sometimes men) who were telling me I didn’t Respect women were almost always after something. No one tells that you ought to be more respectful because they want you to be a better person, nor are you corrected because the ideal of respect was even a primary concern. No, people tell you to show respect when they want something or they have an interested invested in you deferring respect to the person or thing they believe you ought to be paying respect to.

Pay Tribute or Pay Respect?

In fact, the idea that one ought to “pay” respect to something or someone else really sets the context for the utility that Respect represents to them. You “owe” respect to an ephemeral ideal in the same way you “pay your dues”, like a personal debt that someone insists you owe because you want to be reverent of the concept of Respect. And this basis for Respect is why I say Respect has been cheapened today.

Even when I was 19 and women would attempt to shame me into deference to women with Respect, I saw the contradiction between women and men’s concepts of Respect. My male idea of Respect was one of the few things my father had imparted to me. So, naturally, I questioned the idea, “What do women actually do that’s worthy of my respect?” Respect was earned. Lord knows I hadn’t done much to deserve anyone’s respect at 19, but I did know that deeds and acts were something a man had to do to gain respect – and maybe somewhere along the way acquire integrity (another container word). My smart ass response was “I don’t know any women who deserve my respect.” And that was true, but every Blue Pill conditioned guy I knew then would tell me, “You’ll never get girls to like you with that attitude mister.”

So, basically, if I wanted a girl to be intimate with me I had to feign respect for her because she’s a girl? The Blue Pill teaches men, yes, and the better you are at pretending it the more a woman will appreciate you. This is where the debasement of Respect (as an ideal) in our feminine-primary social order begins. Unmerited respect for women only reinforces the Women are, Men must become principle. Men must become, men must qualify, men must perform. As such, male respect is something that is almost always in flux. Women’s respect just is, and thereby female respect is something more static.

Respect for the Sake of Respect

In a gynocentric society the predominant definition of respect, the one that is transferred to virtually all aspects of that social order, is the female concept. Automatic, deferential, but ultimately unmerited respect simply for being – female respect – is considered a useful tool, but cheapens the ideal of respect and what makes a person respectable.

When I outlined the difference between male and female concepts of Love, one of the first things men do is get indignant. They don’t like the idea that women don’t share their own ‘love for the sake of love’ idealism. My point was that women “fundamentally lack the capacity to love a man in the way he thinks should be possible for her.” This is difficult for a Blue Pill conditioned guy to wrap his head around. Much of who they are was built on the premised goal that women will “love him as much as he loves her”, so to suggest that this isn’t possible for him means that “women fundamentally lack a capacity to love men, period.” They conclude that if women cannot share his idealistic approach to Love then they cannot legitimately love him. His concept should be the only acceptable concept and therefor rejecting his concept is rejecting its legitimacy.

This same singleminded interpretation applies largely to women and their form of respect. If men would hold a woman to a merited, male, standard of respect, rather than a default deference to respecting her for no measurable reason, then those men don’t believe in Respect at all. It’s her way or it isn’t real.

Most men are afraid to appear disrespectful to women. This fear is compounded by the mass effect of a globalized sexual marketplace

When I was 19 I was concerned that I’d done something wrong. Why would women presume I didn’t respect them? I was perceived as a Jerk and I just knew that that wasn’t what women really wanted. I didn’t know it then, but this was a shaming tactic being used to keep me in line as a prospectively useful Beta. In a way I suppose it was a meta-shit test. An Alpha man wouldn’t care if women thought he was respectful. A sure sign a guy is Beta would be reflected in how he responds to being accused of disrespect of women (really ‘womankind‘).

In truth, a default respect for women is really worthless from a male perspective. I’m sure that just my typing this out will be enough to trigger most women, but if you are triggered, it’s more important to consider why you are. A default respect for females may seem like a socially correct perspective for an “upstanding leader of men” Blue Pill Alpha archetype, but it is men who adopt the attitude that women must qualify themselves to him who engender genuine respect among women.

Flipping the Respect Script

This is an important lesson in Game as well. One of the first things many of the old school PUAs would teach an AFC (Average Frustrated Chump) is to flip the script with respect to who is qualifying whom. The natural presumption for most Blue Pill men is that they must always qualify to a woman. Usually this entails proving his quality in various ways (buy her a drink, pay for dinner, carry the conversation, etc.), but the operative assumption is that she is the one whose Frame he is entering into. The PUA fundamental then was to flip this ‘natural‘ script; to get her to pursue him. In doing so, her subconscious confirms his high value – why else would she pursue? If a guy could cleverly tease this pursuit out of her it then creates a perpetuating feedback loop about him [until he fucks it up somehow by reverting to qualifying to her].

Flipping the qualification script with a woman presents one very difficult hurdle for the AFC: he must risk offending the social convention that tells him he must never disrespect a woman. This is where the larger, social, respect dynamic becomes apparent.

From a Beta male, Respect is cheap. Most Betas’ attention comes for free and is steeped in the idea that he must never upset the respect dynamic. But just like love, attention and interest, women don’t value Respect that is easily had. Too much circulation makes the price go down, and scarcity makes the price go up. We constantly tell men to make, and consider, themselves ‘the Prize‘, but to do this a man must risk offending a default female respect to shift the Frame to a default male respect. This is counterintuitive part of unplugging and learning Game.

That deference is what is expected. To respect women is common. What is uncommon is a lack of female respect. Therefor a default respectful deference is basic and plain to a woman. But it is the man whose respect a woman must earn who make the most significant impact and inspire the greatest emotional investment on her part. As I’ve stated in many essays, never deny a woman the satisfaction of believing she’s figured you out with her feminine intuition. Women expect a worthy Alpha to command respect amongst his peers, but also to expect her to earn his respect. And in her meriting it, she then holds a new respect for him.

Respect, as social dynamic, is an attempt to govern the terms of communication. Respect also has its utilities. It’s a rational for an easy dismissal of uncomfortable facts. For instance, Mansplaining presumes a lack of respect for women by a man who is trying to define what ought to constitute respect. It is a means of controlling a narrative. A “lack of respect” is an easy way to poison the well in any debate and also serves as the basis of a lot of straw man arguments.

Higher Love

Respect is defined by the party who decides what it is, and who should have it. In this way Respect is intimately linked with Frame, and since women’s form of respect is the socially predominant one today, the starting point of most intersexual exchanges begins with the presumption that a woman should control the Frame by means of a default, unearned respect. And to some hopelessly Blue Pill men who invariably mix that conditioning with religion, this respect then becomes a form of Reverence for the female.

In Part I of this series I dropped this line:

God is Love
[…] I’ve been exploring the way men and women idealize the concept of divine love from a god or some metaphysical source. Each sex has a gendered concept of love that they believe the other sex shares with them, but in fact doesn’t naturally come to without some education or experience.

To which a commenter left me this in the comments thread:

“God is love”. Rollo, this is just one more on the heap of things I am struggling with regards to my “christian faith”. I am very much looking forward to reading Alpha God and eventually your 4th book.


Unconditional love is the main message of the new testament. Could it be that Christianity is really that feminized not just by “the village” and feminized church today but actually? Could the New testament be a watering down of the old Jahve Religion? 

Zoltan

While I’m not planning on exploring Red Pill concepts of “unconditional love” on this blog, I will be picking apart the implications of how men and women’s differing concepts of love come to define, or set the understanding of an ideal of a ‘higher love’ (don’t sing the song, don’t sing the song,…).

So what does this have to do with Respect?

Everything if you consider the gender whose definition of what Respect should be is the socially predominant on at any point in history. Performance defines men’s existences. Performance determines respectability for men and earning one’s way into Heaven might be the highest form of respect, right?

More next week.

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foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

Rollo, What’s with the constant hammering of “Patriarchs”, “Neo-masculinity”, etc? Yeah it’s all a bunch of posturing for the most part but those guys at the end of the day are just trying to make the best of the situation. No they are not really “Patriarchs” or even “Alpha” as that’s most likely impossible in a western(or any marriage) since the advent of it, however at the end of the day most of those guys are just making the best of a shitty situation and trying to do right by the kids. Marriage is a beta institution, a true Alpha… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Fox You can tell all you need to know about a man, his mindset and his situation by what he says and how he says it. Most times I can get a read on another man just by being quiet and listening. Even here, over the years, commenters without wives or children have gone on and on about things in great detail and with mighty declarations about that which they have zero real life experiences with, and to my mind much of it sounds crazy as fuck. The ” bad experiences ” thing is 100% real. Lots of men will… Read more »

Centuries
Centuries
2 years ago

Hi Rollo, I agree with Foxguy for the most part. I haven’t had time to listen to the full rule zero episode from yesterday, but my initial read while listening was similar to Foxguy. I haven’t had time to proper analyze my thoughts sufficiently to fully articulate them yet, and since I am a guy, I’m not going to knee jerk on emotions. Your body of work has broken through the cloak of bias or blue pill conditioning clouding the general perspective a guy has regarding intergender dynamics, but there is more than just this part of the human firmware.… Read more »

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

Blax, “The ” bad experiences ” thing is 100% real. Lots of men will wither after some kind of bad experience of failure. Some will even encourage others to never try because they fucked up and became hilariously bitter. This is becoming standardized male behavior thanks to the internet and social media. We talk a lot about how the web negatively affects female behaviors, but precious little is said about the equally negative impacts these things are having on many men. Lots of unnecessary anger and anxiety out in little corners of the sphere.” “Marriage basically is exactly the same… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

…..

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

@Foxguy

From one Latino to another. If Latinos allegedly instinctively know the government isn’t their friend, why do so many of them vote for more government?

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

@Blaximus

Nice video.

In the vein of Power of Positive Thinking. But a little bit beyond that.

What goes without saying there is for a man to confront his deepest fears and overcome them.

Thanks for the posting of that.

What lower men need is how to do that. Cheat codes at first and then to break beyond a level of process into really targeting the gut of things.

It is a start at mindset.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Yollo See, this is why I keep coming back like Michael Corleone in Godfather III. I’m not Latino. I confess. It’s true. Wifey is though, as is 99.9/10 of her family, and I grew up in an area with lots and lots of Latinos….and Asians….and Arabs….and Indians…and Pakistanis…. you get the idea. I am not aware of a large number of Latinos actively voting for ” more government “, and I’ve not seen this in my life except in particular areas of the country cough Miami cough. This is why I hang out here in the comments so much, because… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

….lol. people don’t like their blue pill belief system challenged.

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

Yollo, To be completely clear I’m neither a Republican or Democrat. I don’t want to get into this left vs right stuff as there are plenty battling on that front. I have analyzed and noted the push for bigger government within the Hispanic community, it’s in full blast right now. With respect to Hispanics there is a very coordinated and targeted campaign on all Spanish/Latin media whose root message is to push for more government, this includes media, print, radio, internet and on the ground in college/high school campuses. It’s actually quite blatant at times and it other times very… Read more »

Just Beers
Just Beers
2 years ago

@ Johann Liebert @fox but foolish To be completely clear I’m neither a Republican or Democrat. I don’t want to get into this left vs right stuff as there are plenty battling on that front. “There is no such thing as a neutral person” —-Vladimir Putin Hello JL (and VP) You feel you know exactly what VP was getting at here? Could have sworn it was a spirited discussion on bagels vs bialys. Healthy humans have an MPO, and will hop on/hop off pendulums (like political spectrums) when it best suits them. Other terms to look up are: picking your… Read more »

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

@Just Beers

Nice citation of Reality Transurfing. It is a game changer.

Is life not delivering? With the highly effective techniques offered here, I can assist you to a more efficient, successful and beautiful way to exist. Everything is not as it seems…

I do not wish.
I do not hope.
I intend.
-Vadim Zeland

Anyone would do well to use it’s mental tactics.

liz
liz
2 years ago

Trump has only supercharged the effort as a lot of (Hispanic) people are just signing up based on emotion against Trump.

Are you sure? The polls don’t reflect that. About 30 percent of Hispanics who voted voted Trump in the last election. New poll figures have it about 15 percent higher this time around.

Centuries
Centuries
2 years ago

I know this can be a rough time of the year for some guys learning hard lessons around their blue pill conditioning and I suspect as it was with me that many men come looking for answers this time of the year, so I figure I’ll throw this out there. Beyond educating oneself about the female truths that the red pill sheds light on, the one thing that helped me greatly was to very early on mentally separate/divorce myself from my wife, not actually separate in real life, but to form a mental view that I am single and the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

For the record: Trump was a fluke that most likely will not be repeated unless his opposition is just so awful ( like.Hillary) that he wins by default. Having grown up next door to Trump all of my life, I will never grasp the supporters fascination with him or the willingness to overlook shitty qualities that they’ve pilloried other politicians for in the past. The mental gymnastics are Olympian ( and informative as that ” bullshit ” I referred to earlier…). My money is on impeachment during first term being a deal breaker, and the tens of millions of folks… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Learn the hard way. Lose all of your comfort😂 and fold up like Wal-Mart lawn furniture.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

@Blaximus

Oh no. Trump might get reelected. What happens if he doesn’t? Panic? Emasculating sadness that is the deserved fate of the mean bad capitalist Americans?

What if nobody wants for this to fail man? Why’s it gotta be doomsday or whatever scenario you have in your head?

People can work together for a better solution. Nobody has to give up what they are. They just have to give up their stubbornness.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

People love numbers and stats, but they will not stop cherry picking only the oness that support their positions, and that’s the ignorance and stupidity that left unchecked spells a sad ending. Historically.

The totality of the state and numbers over the last 3 presidents doesn’t lie and shows a trend. F regardless of bullshit ” muh party ” nonsense.

Realistically it doesn’t matter at this point if Trump gets reelected or not. The damage is done and he was only a.cherry on top.

….but I’d rather he didn’t. He’s embarrassing as a man.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

As long as men don’t get their rights taken away I don’t see how we don’t bounce back from the rest of the world hating their sleepover on planet Earth.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Lol. Men’s rights have been an illusion for a generation or two.

That’s why I call it ” blue pill “.

Guys only find out when they run head on into various incarnations of” the system ” . Only when it affects them directly. Otherwise they are deaf, dumb and blind.

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

@Johann Leibert

You can try to have women help you get back at your father’s boss, but she’ll still abandon you if she decides you’re too much of a wimp to follow.

Women can’t bitch about not getting a seat at the table if what they want is to remove men from everything.

Olongapo
Olongapo
2 years ago

@Blaximus @Yollo Comanche Since we’ve veered slightly off topic in re: Trump’s appeal. The missing piece that folks absolutely seem to not get, is that reason has nothing to do with it. He, and his handlers, learned from previous practitioners to harness direct emotional responses bypassing the pre-frontal cortex of folks who are naturally fearful to begin with. Sound familiar? Reasoning with Trump supporters (not Conservatives) is like reasoning with women. A stimulus is provided and the desired response occurs. The key is not to fall within their frame. Fortunately, we can still vote in this Country and he’ll either… Read more »

Fact
Fact
2 years ago

Anybody checked this out?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTriadWomen

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Olangapo Truth. I’m automatically suspicious of anything that makes people rabid or ignore the obvious nonsense in front of their eyes, when they’d be quick as fuck to call the same out when others do it. ” I could shoot somebody…..not lose votes… “. 😂 he’s playing you right to your face, which is classic Trump since the late 70’s. I personally don’t care at this point if he is reelected or not. Both political parties are absolute shit, equally fucked up and useless to all but the uber wealthy. Yes, highly emotional support, which is dangerous because people do… Read more »

liz
liz
2 years ago

I’ve seen the same set of behaviors in ardent feminists, vegans, social justice warriors, etc. Sure wouldn’t want to be like those folks. So make sure to vote for the person ardent feminist, vegans, SJWs support. Does anyone remember what the fears were right after Trump was elected? For starters, we were supposed to get nuked by the DPRK. All sorts of crazy predictions. When those failed, Trump was a Russian shill (this oscillates between ostensible Putin stooge to more dangerous than Putin, depending). When that one failed, it was Syria. Gosh….sure wish we’d secured that new Kurdish territory they… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

@Fact

That’s just a reddit of angry women looking for personal power. Anyone with a fully formed personality and well-functioning boundaries is going to be amused at how much energy the women in that forum pour into attaining the attention of men.

It comes from a very hurt place. But it also comes from a very tender and earnest place. Basically it’s a response to a response. Seen all that before.

kfg
kfg
2 years ago

I don’t know what I’m doing in this handbasket, but it’s remarkably comfy, I think I’ll take a nap. So, where are we going anyway?

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

” reasons ” are right in front of you but you choose to act like you can’t see.

Get educated about the econmy. 300+ million people here, a sizable ( that aren’t lazy shiftless illegals or whatever ) aren’t getting a fair shame at all ….but fuck them right? Who needs a middle.class anyway?😂

If a stranger talked to you like trump does, you’d have a very different opinion.. I’m just pointing to the amazing hypocrisy.

Done.

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

What the fuck is going on with all this catastrophizing? You should go watch the series Chuck on Amazon Prime for gosh shakes. A primer on how to face adversity, adversity and adversity. Funny thing, one of the charachters in that series has Ronald Reagan as his touch-stone. Ronald Reagan was portrayed as an idiot in-real-time. And he may have been. But god-damn my parents got fucking rich on his bolstering of the U.S economy. And Trump may be a fucking mess. But my 401K likes him a lot. And the stock market will have a big down-turn. Everyone fucking… Read more »

liz
liz
2 years ago

”reasons ” are right in front of you but you choose to act like you can’t see.
Get educated about the econmy.

This is a CNN poll (aka the all anti-Trump-all-the-time-channel)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/20/politics/cnn-poll-economy-2020-matchups/index.html?ofs=fbia&fbclid=IwAR1VGrxZrAXKPPAYJb8Ht_i9Y0EAmzrmUM8fEMupb8pLXRNT9QtJSrhvzaI

Something I don’t think most people know…the grounding of the 737MAX hit the airline industry (low cost carriers in particular…you know, the airlines middle class people use) as hard as 911.
And SWA still made a profit.
Because a rising tide….

(note I’ve provided a concrete answer, and a concrete reference…not just “learn about economics”)

-Done, too

kfg
kfg
2 years ago

“What the fuck is going on with all this catastrophizing?”

You can’t face adversity unless you’ve got some.

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

I’m not justifying any behavior for my parents or me getting wealthy. And Certain Presidents do either have dementia or personality disorders. But what is the alternative? They call it an election for a reason and the electorate, if you haven’t noticed, is normally clinically retarded on many occasions. We all talked about this a couple years ago. You know, make a tribe of humans get huge and see what fucking happens. In-group malice and out-group altruism. Good luck with that. Rather than in-group human altruism and out-group malice. Coded in the human DNA. Or epigenetics. Take your pick. And… Read more »

kfg
kfg
2 years ago

“They are just, perhaps, noise.”

They are just thickener. A bit of gelatin is an alternative.

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

“They are just, perhaps, noise.” They are just thickener. A bit of gelatin is an alternative. Yes. And that was my point, as I am not so clinically retarded as to not not know that. Which is a metaphor for the just points that manosphere icons attempt to point and point and point to. I’m not down on the points in the manosphere, cough, cough…. They got me everywhere. So, I’m grateful. But MRP is a different animal than most. And it is fun as hell when done well. It is not animosity, all the time, and my take-away is… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Blaximus
I’m automatically suspicious of anything that makes people rabid or ignore the obvious nonsense in front of their eyes, when they’d be quick as fuck to call the same out when others do it.

You’re just as prone to that as anyone else is, Blax.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Fact

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTriadWomen

You must be a member or approved visitor to view it. Pretty sure I can predict what’s in there, though.

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

KFG for the win yet again :). “You can’t face adversity unless you’ve got some” I find myself having to constantly self manufacture constructive adversity for myself in the form of exercise/crazy runs at times and other things I came come up with. I had plenty of mostly natural adversity as a child and teenager which left me very strong mentally albeit with some scars but it has served me well and I’ve always considered it good. I notice having to manufacture constructive adversity for my kids but it’s a joke compared to what I had to go through at… Read more »

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

With the regards to everyone “not getting their fair share”, “the rich get richer”, etc. I used to be a big believer in this but after closely observing lower income people, including very close family members it’s more a function of the mentality of the low income individual than anything else. It’s not necessarily physical laziness either as some of these people work plenty of backbreaking jobs. It’s just primarily a function of not wanting to take responsibility/plan for managing their affairs/finances/actions/plans, etc. If they actually took responsibility for those areas they would have to do some critical thinking/game theory/planning,… Read more »

kfg
kfg
2 years ago

“I believe you are from the upper classes right ?”

My earliest clear memories are of living in the projects. I may well end up there again before it’s all over. hi ho.

” I betcha they manufacture self adversity day and night . . .”

It doesn’t matter much what class a man is from when his dog dies.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=41y4c1Oi5Uo Lefty business channel I guess. Foxguy My parents were raised in what I call enforced poverty by denial of opportunity. Barred from employment and subjected to segregation in every aspect of life.it was severe adversity, but it was wholly artificially created. Once they left the area(s) of the country, like immigrants, they were able to thrive through hard work and determination. But there would be zero inheritance. I’m close enough to that experience at my age to have seen it and fully understand it , but I haven’t experienced it at those levels.I don’t have a ” stay at… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

“Fair share” huh Blax?

There’s that reactionary progressive we know and love. Happy New Year to you.

💸💰⛄🎩 🎉

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Lol. It’s more like realistic revolutionary, if a ” label” must be applied.

Happy New Year to you as well my brother.

😁👍💰🍸🍸🍺

IAS
IAS
2 years ago

Happy new year, guys.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“You can’t face adversity unless you’ve got some.” I’ve managed to create my own. :/ But at least I have some to face. 🙂 Red Pill helped me to see some of the holes in Scott Adams’ analysis (“Win Bigly”) regarding Pussiegate. Pussiegate showed that maintaining an alpha frame is what you need to pass a sh*t test like Pussiegate. Only betas fail tests like that and Adams isn’t Red Pilled. @Blaxie Lol @ all your Trump bashing. Trump just caught a wave that already existed. So, when you bash Trump, you are bashing those of us who support him.… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

I’m not ” Trump bashing “. My position on Donald Trump as a person hasn’t changed for 40 years.
Zfg about who you personally support.

Your like friends of mine who say about their favorite sports teams , ” we won ” or ” we lost “. I gently remind them that they aren’t professional athletes and they don’t actually okay for any team, so fuck all that ” we ” shit.😂

So support Trump all you like, I.don’t care.

But I will point out the crazy hypocrisy because…somebody has to do it.

No echo chambers.

kfg
kfg
2 years ago

“Your like friends of mine who say about their favorite sports teams , ” we won ” or ” we lost “.”

I give one friend a bit of slack on this one. He’s a Packers shareholder.

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

KFG you sly dog 🙂 With Trump he is whom he is, his mindset is actually representative of a majority of the electorate even Democrats at the root level, I never found it shocking he was elected. I had never watched the movie Idiocracy until recently and I laughed when I saw the “Trump” like president, people had asked me to watch if for years, I didn’t even bother watching it as we know how it ends. The current U.S population is probably the dumbest street level/practical/philosophical wise as it’s ever been. Forget the number of degrees or any of… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

If a man has no respect for himself, how can he expect others to respect him?

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

“you really, really should read Scott Adams’ book–you need it…you are a master of nonpersuasion.”

Lol.

You’d better read a few dozen books on subjects you have no experience in, before the folks you champion ban books and reading.

wahoo Mcdaniels
2 years ago

“Your like friends of mine who say about their favorite sports teams , ” we won ” or ” we lost “. I gently remind them that they aren’t professional athletes and they don’t actually okay for any team, so fuck all that ” we ” shit.😂” First I’m thinking,what idiot would compare football and politics? Then I found this. https://medium.com/the-hit-job/blame-the-packers-for-trump-da9b9c11518a “Over a span of forty-six years and 15 presidential elections, when the Green Bay Packers had a winning record on election day the incumbent party won in Wisconsin. In 1964, 2008 and 2016 the Packers had an even record… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

“but also flyover country against the coasts..”

Bite the hand that feeds you if you’d like.

( there’s that reading thing again…)

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/052715/west-coast-vs-east-coast-economy.asp

https://blogs.voanews.com/all-about-america/2015/09/18/heres-how-much-each-state-contributes-to-us-economy/

You live on emotional argument fueled by….idk what….fox news? There’s what you want to be true vs what is actually true.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180418006032/en/West-Coast-Region-GDP-Rises-32.1-Outpacing

forgot this one.

Not that anything will change what you believe. You’ll just keep making up more and more shit.

Happy New Year Asd.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Does a man have to be a father to himself before he can be a father to a child?

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

@Anonymous Reader

He can’t have a problem with fatherhood. He can’t have the nasty habit of checking out of the things he does to lessen any hassle he feels.

foxguy
foxguy
2 years ago

Happy New Years y’all!

While we obviously disagree on topics I give credit to all of you for searching for the truth, that is always to be commended. This is one of the few places I can still air my opinion unfiltered and not be crucified socially/economically.

May 2020 bring you good health, challenges, family, and growth most of all. Also would like to extend a thanks to our host Rollo, whom while I disagree with him more lately more often still has a good heart.

SJF
SJF
2 years ago

What the hell are you guys talking about? Anonymous Reader? So anonymous as so never to reveal himself? Kids? LTR? Wife? It’s turning into a group-think parody, fast, here… I went to a family wedding last week.It was cool. It was a nephew. Of an ex-sister in law. Who has five sons. Real cool-looking sons. She had tears of joy seeing them on stage. As groomsmen to her son. My daughter got married last May. My son-in-law is so cool. I don’t know what the fuck is going on here. Not there is anything wrong with anything. The world is… Read more »

Fire and Fury
Fire and Fury
2 years ago

Explain this Gorilla behavior: Alpha female cheats on Alpha male Titus and Beetsme, who seemed to have formed a bond, then became the nucleus of an unstable bachelor group. The troop was without females for eight years, during which time they were observed engaging in homosexual behaviour.[1] When five females did eventually join the troop, Beetsme—now a fully-grown silverback—drove off the other males except Titus and became its dominant male. Titus, still a blackback, remained subordinate to Beetsme for 6 years. However during this time he mated covertly with the troop’s females. DNA analysis shows he sired his first offspring,… Read more »

Fire and Fury
Fire and Fury
2 years ago

Edited & Clean Version Explain this Gorilla behavior: Alpha female cheats on Alpha male Titus and Beetsme, who seemed to have formed a bond, then became the nucleus of an unstable bachelor group. The troop was without females for eight years , during which time they were observed engaging in homosexual behaviour . When five females did eventually join the troop, Beetsme—now a fully-grown silverback—drove off the other males except Titus and became its dominant male. Titus, still a blackback, remained subordinate to Beetsme for 6 years. However during this time he mated covertly with the troop’s females. DNA analysis… Read more »

theasdgamer
2 years ago

Responding to media lists about Trump’s mistakes, reporter Sharyl Atkisson has gone to a whole lotta trouble to show media mistakes, including about the Russia Collusion Hoax and “no bias at the FBI in its investigation of Carter Page.” “https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/01/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/ lol @ InaneBlaxie ““but also flyover country against the coasts..” Bite the hand that feeds you if you’d like.” I drive thru Kansas on occasion…maybe you haven’t…it has miles and miles and miles of wheat growing…has it recently been relocated to the coasts or something? I guess Kansas is out of your experience. Where do you think bread comes from?… Read more »

theasdgamer
2 years ago

lol @ InaneBlaxie laughing at Fox News…you need to get out of your provincial echo chamber…Fox News was vindicated in its coverage of the Russia Collusion Hoax and Spygate…not so much the drive by media in your echo chamber…

…didn’t you even bother to read Taibbi’s article in Rolling Stone about the media’s coverage of Russia Collusion and Spygate? smh

james smith
james smith
2 years ago

My Italian mother raised me with true love, she gives unconditionally even now in her 80’s. If her love is not true then its been a lifetime of deception which has consumed her entire life. She also brought me into this world to be respected and to respect in return. I could never shower respect in the way of false praise and admiration to a person simply because she was a woman and less if it was expected automatically. My mom taught me pride, for better or worse in a society where male pride before a woman has vanished. I… Read more »

rugby11
rugby11
2 years ago

Happy new year everyone never stop improving

Men’s version translator by a women series starting with Jordan Peterson (interesting insights in interviews)

mhci
mhci
2 years ago

@skywinner ““Unconditional love is the main message of the new testament.” The guy must be reading something other than the new testament. God doesn’t love unconditionally. He makes an offer, & those who reject the offer will be thrown into outer darkness where there is ‘weeping & gnashing.’” Sure. But it doesn’t mean It stops loving you. It punishes you, whilst still loving you. That’s why, the moment you start to behave, It welcomes you. Everyone on the Internet seems to have been reading something other than Christian books, when they talk of Christian books. Facts is, they have just… Read more »

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
2 years ago

@rugby

It makes me laugh how uncomfortable the guys she interviews seem with masculinity in general. They call shit a stereotype while they already have prejudice against aspects of masculinity they don’t like which they have been inculcated with and the indulgence of a seemingly inanimate world to piss off into whenever the question is raised.

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

…. You’re a hard guy to pay much attention to.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

Blaxie, I’m amazed that you can hear my voice inside your echo chamber. Kudos.

You’re correct that not many people can swallow the political red pill. Truth is useful, but fiction is so much more pleasant to listen to. I think that you have to really want to hear the truth before you can swallow it because swallowing the red pill requires you to give up your blue pill delusions in which you have a great deal of ego investment. You end up losing/giving up your blue pill friends.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Yollo It makes me laugh how uncomfortable the guys she interviews seem with masculinity in general. Bear in mind that those men in that vid are doubly selected. First, the self selection of “am I willing to talk with some girl trolling outside a Peterson speech, do I want to let my words be edited beyond reality, or should I just stroll on by?”. How many manosphere men would waste their time with that girl? Then the editing selection by the Guardian girl, her video editor and probably at least one manager. Self selection followed by journalistic selection. Little wonder… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Mike Land

“we simply must regain the rights of men and fathers with the legislators and the courts and then every thing will balance out again.”

Oh is that all? K.

How about making it more personal amd attainable Mike?

Your balls… Your dinner table… Your classroom… Your pew…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

Mike Land
“we simply must regain the rights of men and fathers with the legislators and the courts and then every thing will balance out again.”

anonDUDE
anonDUDE
2 years ago

Sorry guys this is probably not the right place to post this but I’m unsure where to ask for advice. Just had a look at the soSuave forum and it seems like theres a few nutcases. At the start of the year my ex broke up with me (long story), but it was the end of a 6 year relationship. I’m 28 now, and I for sure didn’t have my priorities straight. I focused on this relationship over my career, and after the breakup I was in a lonely dark place. Anyway, I moved state and have been redpilling myself… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Pro tip/suggestion: leave a man’s kids out of it. Fathers don’t get ” triggered ” over their offspring. If you were a dad, you’d get this. My oldest daughter lives in lo s angeles. I didn’t want her to move there, across the country, but she’s grown and went anyway ( as it should be because I didn’t ” forbid ” it ). I didn’t have to deal with some dipshit on the internet opining that she ” fled “, and other dipshits trying to chime in. The whole idea that you ” know how to trigger Rollo ” makes… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
2 years ago

@Anondude: I suggest you take this over to the Field Reports section (look at the top of the page for links) for further discussion. Short version is that you have one-itis for this girl and you’ve basically gone exclusive with this girl without her asking you and without even knowing she is doing the same (I suspect she most likely isn’t). Basically you like her more than she likes you (almost certainly) and that’s not the ideal place for you to be in. Having a relationship with her isn’t necessarily a bad idea but YOU need to have the “hand”… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

😂😂

First trolling clown of 2020.

” Trown “.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

AnonDude

“What do you guys think about this predicament i’m in? If she asks to be more, should I just go with it? ”

So you’ve been on how many dates with this girl you met two weeks ago? Banged?

Lol. Keep reading man. Keep reading. You shouldn’t stop dating right now. Keep seeing other girls. Work on your frame and that FI hand on your shoulder.

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago

Hans Werner von Bot

The Chans are over that away… Make haste.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
2 years ago

@anonDUDE “I get the ‘spinning plates’ thing – but I don’t feel comfortable morally doing that.” First question for you with the absolute knowledge that all women feel the pull of hypergamy: do you think hypergamy gives a shit about the hypergamy and ethics of branch swinging? Second question for you: if the act of plate spinning itself makes her feel inclined to stay with you and the dread of losing you keeps her there, is it really morally wrong? Final pair of questions: is it possible you’ve been fed a false morality that serves someone else’s needs at the… Read more »

anonDUDE
anonDUDE
2 years ago

@Culum Struan Thanks for the response, and I posted it over there too. I don’t feel like I have one-itis, I’ve certainly had it before (when I was younger – my first gf for sure. It broke my heart and I was some stupid teenager). After our first date, she said she had another date planned with some other guy on Wednesday but bailed on that to have another with me. She also said that she’d been on 40 dates this year but she wasn’t interested in any of them. Pretty similar to me actually. Shes also recently(ish) out of… Read more »

anonDUDE
anonDUDE
2 years ago

@Sun Wukong //First question for you with the absolute knowledge that all women feel the pull of hypergamy: do you think hypergamy gives a shit about the hypergamy and ethics of branch swinging? First answer: No I don’t think hypergamy gives a shit about the ethics of branch swinging LOL. But I give a shit about the ethics of hurting people, but I feel that goes for anyone and in any situation. Maybe it is a luxory that not everyone can afford, but I think I can and so why not? //Second question for you: if the act of plate… Read more »

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“My money is on impeachment during first term being a deal breaker”

Put your money where your mouth is.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“No one has the right to tell a woman who she is going to breed with, this is natural order, that is beyond red pill.”

You must have run through the Stupid Forest and hit every tree. Listen, clown, fathers chose husbands for their daughters for millennia.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
2 years ago

@anonDUDE Suggestion: spend time working on jealousy/dread game. Talk teasingly about other women and watch their reaction. Tease them about their reaction as well. Get back to me on the subject after you see it in action and tell me what you think of the morality. If you think I’m completely off base, keep the concept of “social proof” and the fact that it’s a stronger factor in female attraction than money or looks at the forefront of your mind. Now does it sound completely off base? How much of the attractiveness of social proof is the direct perception of… Read more »

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“Nope. Only beta fathers.”

lol, you’re young

“Want a test if you’re a beta or alpha? “

Want a test to tell if you’re a moron? You say shit like this. Nobody gives a f*ck about some alpha test.

You’re a tool. smh

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
kfg
kfg
2 years ago
CFGauss
CFGauss
2 years ago

Hans… Since you are a fan of Robert Greene, you might want to check out law 3.

https://genius.com/Robert-greene-48-laws-of-power-annotated

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago
theasdgamer
2 years ago

Good stuff, Blax.

theasdgamer
2 years ago

As regards the obligation of a father… The father had the obligation to deliver a virgin to her new husband. Both sets of parents waited outside for the marriage consummation and the husband could denounce the woman if she didn’t bloody the sheets. After the marriage, it was up to the husband to prevent being cuckolded. Women were corralled in past millennia and it wasn’t easy to seduce someone else’s wife if the husband wasn’t an idiot. If a woman played the field, she often ended up a whore while she was young–and penniless in her old age. Not a… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
2 years ago

OT: What is the state of the Red Pill world? A few thoughts. The gateway drug for most “Red Pillers” is “anti-feminism”. The initial rush of seeing through the lies and social conditioning of feminism is quite heady and emotional, so most people arrive here in that thrall at some level. Sure, as far as it goes, that’s fine. But in terms of your life? It’s the equivalent of waking up the in morning and you stop dreaming instead of walking around in a dream all day. That’s all. Like you are just awake – and the reality isn’t creamy… Read more »

kfg
kfg
2 years ago

“Who created the “Red Pill” metaphor?”

Douglas Hofstadter invented the metaphor of the blue and red elixir to change planes of reality.

The writers of Total Recall used the metaphor to change to the plane of “real” reality and put the red elixir in a convenient gelatin capsule, a pill. They didn’t use a blue pill because you don’t need to apply a force to support inertia, just stay on the same plane of reality, which is why Plato didn’t invent it.

sgtted
2 years ago

“Rollo, What’s with the constant hammering of “Patriarchs”, “Neo-masculinity”, etc?”

“Patriarchy” is simply the placeholder for “Capitalist exploiter” in radical feministas cultural Marxist template. The rest of it simply bigotry directed at men who won’t behave like women, or knuckle under to their demands, like men are supposed to do. It’s a daft combination of lefty politics enforced via typical female shaming language directed at Male Oppressors.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
2 years ago

No pills. Just The Glasses that enable a man to see clearly what is, vs. what is not.
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Because the symbol is not the referent, just as the Maps.com is not the territory.

And “respect” doesn’t mean the same thing to women that it does to men.

Mike Land
Mike Land
2 years ago

can you dig deep into respect in one of your podcasts Rollo?

Sentient
Sentient
2 years ago
IAS
IAS
2 years ago

@Sentient: damn, now that I figured out how to do it!

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“before the folks you champion ban books and reading.”

I’m surprised that the drive by media hasn’t hired you. Or maybe you work for it?

theasdgamer
2 years ago

“You live on emotional argument fueled by….idk what….fox news? There’s what you want to be true vs what is actually true.” Not even close. I watch fox when I’m on the road. The Horowitz Report corroborated the Nunes Memo and Hannity and Carlson, etc. But you only looked at the “no bias found” headline, amirite? Nobody at Fox was saying that Horowitz would allege bias. But Horowitz verified a whole lotta details that Fox hosts had been advocating. Steele Dossier was bunk. The FBI lied to the FISA court when it wanted to investigate Carter Page. The DNC funded the… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

This shit is sad as fuck – https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/6/21051259/lora-dicarlo-sex-tech-toy-massager-awards-ban-ose-ces-2020 It’s the feminine version of the Sex Doll imo. Mechanically, chicks don’t need a hot guy to orgasm ( which should tell all men something ), you just gotta know where everything is, and what to do with it. When guys come here and talk about jackhammering a broad, that’s a man that doesn’t really know his way around a pussy, so to speak. If a shitload of women get a device that can successfully, faithfully stimulate their G-spots, it’ll be game over for lots of men. 75% of women I’ve ever… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

Asd It’s Jan. 6th bro.

You slow as fuck.

)

Blaximus
Blaximus
2 years ago

IAS

@Sentient: damn, now that I figured out how to do it!

Lmao.

Yassss. Knowing shit is better than the fucking Force. You wave your hand and chicks cum hard.

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