Unconscious Contempt

Today’s essay was inspired by the lead image you see here and the subsequent exchange I had on Twitter about it. What you see here is a rather nebbish looking husband, I presume post-surgery, recovering from his vasectomy in bed. He is surrounded by cutesy post-it note jokes his wife left him (kind of like the notes your mom might put in your school lunch when you were a child) on a plethora of sugary snacks from the pantry.

The number of kids we’ll be having in the future – Zero

Forgive me if I Snicker

Sorry your dong got dinged

Good-bye to your swimmers

Mini Nonuts

Your berries got crunched

These are just a few of the ‘jokes’ his wife spent an awful lot of time creating.

Beta men and their wives joking about their vasectomies has become the meme du jour on all the usual social media sites where women congregate to appease their egos, gloss their girlfriends’ and commiserate about their fates of being wives and mothers. Before I dig in here I think I need to point out the utility that social media has evolved to serve in most women’s lives now. There was a time when a woman’s indignation needs could be met by daytime television, talkshows and romance novels when living vicariously through their girlfriends’ lives wasn’t sufficient. Today, women’s innate need for indignation is provided on-tap courtesy of the internet, social media and cutesy-but-insulting images of a husband are almost passé. I know, I’ve discussed this topic on a few podcasts, but it’s becoming increasingly more important for a man to understand what social media is providing to women’s nature and how their relationships are indirectly influenced by the exchanges their wives and girlfriends are having online.

I’ve seen a few of these “I got a vasectomy and my wife thinks it’s funny” social media posts before this one. Creating little post-it note jokes to apply to the snacks in the pantry might seem cute, but why is this even a thing? Why is it women/wives think it’s cute to publicly ridicule their partner about the impotence he elected to have? Amongst the Facebook and Instagram shots of her life, amongst the motivational quote memes, and among the complaints about kids, marriage and domestic life a moment of ridiculing their husband seems par for the course. And it’s all acceptable so long as the context is one of being ‘all in fun’.

Marriage today is a dicey proposition for men. I talk and write a lot about the overwhelmingly high risks of life and livelihood men should consider when it comes to how we do legal marriage in this era. MGTOW or not most men understand that marriage is basically for women now – at least with respect to the legal protections and the win-win incentives that are advertised for women. If all a woman ever did was read about marriage from social media and popular culture one would have to wonder why she would ever want to sign up for a lifetime of dealing with a husband, or the caricatures of average men, at all. The contempt for men, even in the most good natured, humorous, ways is palpable on most social media. It’s entirely acceptable, even expected, to deprecate the foibles of men in marriage. We literally can’t do anything right in a ‘female correct’ online world.

And like the “child-in-a-man’s-body” that women complain about, most of these average husbands are okay with being the butt of the joke. In fact, most are enthusiastic about their self-deprecation because they’ve been conditioned to think that doing so endears them to the women who married them and proves they’re “secure in their masculinity”.

Can’t you take a joke?

The first thing any woman, and any Beta male, will say is, “C’mon Rollo, it’s all in fun. Imagine being so humorless as not to get this? Who hurt you?” I think there’s an underlying acknowledgement of the passive aggressiveness that inspires this ‘humor’. When a comedian like Dave Chappell throws caution to the wind and does a 90 minute comedy routine that is funny as hell, but attacks the unassailable ‘correctness’ of our present social narrative we laugh along knowing the latent message of the humor. So, what is the latent message of making a man’s (elective) impotency a joke?

Imagine what the outrage would be on social media were you to make ‘cute’ jokes in the same way about your wife’s uterine ablation or tubal ligation. At the very least women wouldn’t think it was funny. No one tells women, “Lighten up. What, are you so insecure in your femininity that you can’t take a joke?” When a woman is rendered infertile it doesn’t occur to anyone to make light of it, but for a man to be neutered – and at the mutual agreement with his wife – we find the hit to his masculinity hilarious. Why is this?

I realize I’m focusing on one incident here in this image posted on r/funny, but this is an example of a larger dynamic. It’s socially acceptable to ridicule the impotency of Beta men. As I detailed in Selective Breeding, women will openly attack men’s genitals as a reflexive response to the possibility that a lesser man might try to fool her Hypergamous filters. A guy getting kicked in the nuts by a woman is always funny.

If women’s existential fear is being tricked into reproducing with a Beta male, then forcing herself to settle on a suboptimal man must inspire an inner conflict in her. There are lots of controversial self-help books published by women on both sides of this conflict. Some argue for women to accept a Beta guy and just make the best of it, others (especially religious books) argue that a woman should never compromise herself and wait for the best man (the ‘soulmate’ husband God has preordained for her) to present himself to her.

In Selective Breeding I made the argument that women’s existential fear is the possibility of having her Hypergamous filter (feminine intuition) fooled by a Beta male and becoming saddled with his shitty genetics for the rest of her life. This is a primal, evolved, fear for women that manifest itself, often unconsciously, in many of women’s behaviors that we either take for granted or we have social conventions that accommodate them. Decidedly gynocentric societies will legally mandate against this existential fear.

But what about women who are already married or pair-bonded with men that their evolved subconscious knows is a suboptimal choice for her? What about women who are trapped in a marriage with a guy that her hindbrain confirms is not the ‘best she can do’? How does that primal fear of being saddled with a faithful Beta manifest itself? 

He that has eyes to see and ears to hear may convince himself that no mortal can keep a secret. If his lips are silent, he chatters with his fingertips; betrayal oozes out of him at every pore.

Sigmund Freud

Unconscious Contempt

I would argue that women today have never been more comfortable in expressing their contempt of the men they married. My recent essays on Polyamory and the deconstruction of men’s Paternity imperatives have been an exploration of how a feminine-primary social order is reimagining itself with respect to how men and women will come together and form families in the future. People will claim that women’s lack of respect for the masculine is the result of generations of men not living up to some old-school ideal. That might be so, but women have no respect for the masculine, the male experience, simply because they have no need to. 

Why do women feel comfortable – to the point of taking it for granted – in expressing contempt for their husbands? We can argue the basis of where this passive-aggressiveness comes from, but why is it okay to veil this contempt in humor?

Before I get run up the flagpole for being a humorless boor let me reiterate that I’m not saying men ought to read more into things like this. My point is the bigger picture here; why do we find this funny at all? I believe it’s a form of anxiety release for women who’ve committed to a lifetime of parental investment with a man that her hindbrain knows is less than what she believes is best for her.

These images were pulled from an Instagram account called Motherhood Through Letterboards. What’s interesting about this is the contempt for fathers and husbands that bleeds through what we should probably have a sense of humor about. You can have a look at some of these to get the context, but the latent purpose of this exercise is a release of the anxiety created by women’s pairing and reproducing with men that their hindbrains cannot accept as Alpha.

Again, we talk a lot in the Manosphere about how social media contributes to the gross overinflation of women’s sense of self. It’s easy to see how women overestimate their sexual market value, and then conflate it with their personal value, but there’s more to this than just the woman on OKCupid who thinks she’s a 9 when she’s really a 6. There comes a time when that woman with the overblown sense of self must “settle” on a man who her hindbrain believes isn’t the best she could do. The metric by which she judges what is the best she can do is also subject to this ego-overinflation.

The main reason most women agonize over the question of whether she should “settle” for Mr. Good Enough is rooted in this Hypergamous conflict that usually comes at a time in her life where her SMV and her options with men are decaying. Today, the reason we see the age of first marriage being pushed later and later in life for women is due to women prolonging this indecision. She knows she can do better than the less-exciting Beta who seems like her best option in her Epiphany Phase because she’s had better in her Party Years. She also knows she can do better because social media and a constant steeping in the new Global Sexual Marketplace has convinced her she’s actually a 9, not a 6, and anything less than perfect is a waste of her potential. All of this plays on women’s primal, Existential Fear of pairing with a suboptimal mate choice – for life.

But now she’s committed. She married the only guy who would date her in that phase of her life given her circumstances. She married the Beta in Waiting, who’s overjoyed that he’s finally found his Quality Woman who appreciates his type. He’s thanking God for bringing him a woman who tells him “I’m done with the Jerks” and wants to do the ‘right’ thing now – while her hindbrain is contending with her existential fear becoming reality due to her own necessity. Now add 1-2 children into this mix (his or not) and you get this passive-aggressive manifestation of her existential angst.

Fortunately for her there’s an unending number of women experiencing exactly the same unconscious contempt for the men they married online in dozens of popular social media groups. The desire to “punch him in the face” is always tempered with “love”, humor and platitudes about relationships always being “hard work”.

End Note: Vasectomies

I feel it’s incumbent upon me to address what will be the predictable binary responses of literalist critics here:

• No, I’m not saying don’t get a vasectomy.

• No, I’m also not saying that if you did get a vasectomy you’re a pathetic loser Beta.

I will however point out that when I see stories about how a Beta husband did come to the decision to get a vasectomy there are always a lot of subconscious reasonings that go along with it. For all the notions of egalitarian marriages and self-praise for being rationally evolved above the hindbrain interpretations, on some level of consciousness a man electing to sterilize himself is a confirmation of the value he puts in his masculinity. This is why women think it’s funny to ridicule your impotency. Her hindbrain has 100% confirmation that you know your reproductive viability has no value.

A man’s reasons for getting a vasectomy may be valid and in some ways empowering for him. I imagine there’s at least some confidence to be derived from knowing you wont be held responsible for any “accidental” pregnancies. I get why men would opt for it, but the way a woman’s feral brain interprets a man sterilizing himself is what I’m getting at here. You may think, “Well, I don’t give a damn what women think about it.” Fine. Totally valid, but I’m outlining a woman’s instinctual response to a man permanently preventing his own reproduction. There is a subcommunication underneath this decision that denotes emasculation, and this is what women resent.

In some ways I see wives celebrating their husband’s vasectomy for reasons that have nothing to do with improving their sex lives. In the original Twitter thread I had men tell me that they got a vasectomy at the suggestion of their wives, believing it would lead to greater sexual frequency (or any sex in a sexless marriage) only to admit that it never improved anything for them. So, why the goading to get a vasectomy? The dots I keep connecting are a subconscious desire on the part of women to geld a husband to ensure he never reproduces with other women. It’s almost like a service she’s doing for the Sisterhood. She’s making sure that her mistake never becomes any other woman’s mistake.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

206 comments on “Unconscious Contempt

  1. Gelding and neutered are terms describing castration. Which is not the same as a vasectomy.
    In my case, at 60yo with 2 adult kids, a vasectomy makes sure no one gets a claim on me during my soon-to-be retirement. I want to keep fucking raw without that risk.

    But yeah, it looks like in today’s world, these beta men look pretty lame for taking that shit from their ‘wives’

  2. Well, I was cut and a hell of a lot of other demeaning shit to chase that elusive ass, which was promised to me by the fairy tale. What a waste of efforts. Also, Rollo, young men, no matter their value, should NEVER engage in self-deprecation. It is a fucking cancer that will ruin you.

  3. As a man, I also lose a huge amount of respect for any fool who willingly neuters himself regardless of the reason. And nothing you can argue will get that respect back for you. I just find neutering yourself to be an abominable disfigurement of your masculinity and personhood. People are either male of female. A guy at my work complained of his impotency, And now his coworkers all call him “limp-dick” and some told me they actually don’t want to work with him because of it. I’m not making that up. Sorry if that reality bothers some of you.

  4. Two kids, 45. Had a great 20 year marriage and a fantastic divorce (in a Roman-law jurisdiction, so no dividing up property, 50-50 shared custody and no alimony). First thing I did after we divorced was get a vasectomy. All the women I knew, friends, family, neighbours, were very helpful and sympathetic. The ex-wife even popped round a couple of weeks after to prove everything still worked as before. That was kind of her…

    I have found two responses from women:

    The independent types who don’t want to get accidentally pregnant. They punch the air or high-five me when they find out. For them it means less stress and makes me a more suitable lover.
    The last-chance pregnancy types. They have described it as, extreme, selfish, unsexy. I had three women in one month tell me they might be pregnant and if so they would keep the baby. You should see their faces when I ask, “Are you sure it’s mine?” 🙂

    Having a vasectomy is the second best thing I have ever done.

  5. After reading this I keep thinking if men would be more alpha a lot could be corrected. Men today never saw that and have to build from the ground up.(myself) Rule zero is gonna tackle that question 11-16-19. I may be wrong but if men learn what alpha is then you give women what they want and men get what they want and maybe “some” of this dunking on men would stop. My question is who is gonna be the man to point the way? Rollo? Tate? Rich? Someone better before Jordan Peterson or George Bruno tries….God forbid.

  6. That guy looks so happy. What are you going to do if these people look like they are literally happy with the situation? Explain to them why they shouldn’t be? Same in the feminized corporate world that I see everyday. These idiots ruin everything for​ every man with any kind of integrity and still has a sense of his own worth and pride. His wife is right to mock him, he confirms that with his smile.

  7. Kirth, at least you have a couple of kids…but what are the odds that one or both won’t give you grandkids and you end up winning a Darwin Award? I know of couples with two kids, both of whom don’t ever want kids of their own.

    My wife has five siblings, but only three had kids of their own.

    The Overpopulation Blue Pill is leading people towards extinction of their genes. Young men who haven’t had kids yet may take the wrong message from your story.

  8. First of all, women have been able to geld their men/partners secretly by taking the pill, for decades now. Other women choose tubal ligation. I would argue that tubal ligation would be worse for a marriage because the wife is more free to have affairs with the alphas. Regardless, the vasectomy is the best option for men who have decided they have had enough kids. I did it because I have enough kids. I told my wife I’m doing it and instead the joke became that it was the fast doctor appointment she ever saw me make in my life! I always procrastinate about doctor appointments. I feel free. Many husbands should consider it on their own terms.

    Having said all of that, I can see the other side of the argument where if you have a wife that is telling you to get a vasectomy, but you (the husband) aren’t sure because maybe you want more kids?…. well then this article above could have some truth to it.

  9. It’s easy to see how women overestimate their sexual market value, and then conflate it with their personal value, but there’s more to this than just the woman on OKCupid who thinks she’s a 9 when she’s really a 6.

    I think the new expression is “49er” – females (married or single) who have an approximate SMV of 4, when social media has them convinced that they are 9s.

  10. Hi Rollo.
    Your last paragraph nailed my experience on the head (no pun). As my marriage was dying, my ex kept pressuring me to get a vasectomy. I had gone to the Office to have it done before but the thought of it literally made me sick…. But under the pretense of improving our relationship and such, I finally drugged myself up enough to do it.
    Not only did it not improve our sex life, I was given the boot a few months later. I have ruminated on the futility of the whole deal, and it very much seemed like I was sterilized to prevent me from starting any new families after my dismissal. Your last paragraph is my Bias confirmation.
    One issue that is VASTLY under-reported is chronic epididymitis. I had chronic pain and infection for a few YEARS after the vasectomy and eventually had to have an epididymectomy (say that 10 times fast). The vasectomy is closing a pipe. The epididymectomy is gutting the plumbing. It took about two years for my stuff to work right after that. The official stats on problems from vasectomies is like 3%. LIES… My anecdotal field research (asking my Bro’s) is that about half of guys getting them have problems… mostly pain. It hurt most when I played sports and worked out.
    So the vasectomy further beta-izes us by making us sedentary.
    Thanks for your insights.

  11. I liked this very much, Rollo. It puts a new spin on ‘Do you keep your balls in your wife’s purse?’.

    One of the reasons I don’t go on Social Media, besides it just being white noise (poison for the girls and boys), is that it would trigger me too much when I see memes like this.

    The last image of the young couple. That just shows complete stupidity on his behalf. He obviously thinks they will be travelling the world together, forever like some kind of Disney love story, not wanting kids. See how he feels in 5 years time, when she has dropped him for a better, more valuable resource, deciding that she wants kids after all. In this case the label of ‘Numb Nuts’ applies.

  12. Interesting thoughts about vasectomy. Im in my 40s, divorced, red pill mature, no kids and absolutely no inclination to have kids. Im also seeing four women, normally use protection, but not always. Im thinking of having a vasectormy, but purely from any potential risk of getting one of them pregnant.

    I imagine that would be a ‘legitimate’ reason to have one, simply being careful and firmly putting myself as my mental point of origin. Thoughts ?

  13. My wife occasionally broaches the idea of a vasectomy. It is just a shit test. I usually tell her straight up “No, if this doesn’t work out I want to be able to have a family with someone else.” It is the truth too.

    We have 4 kids (all under 6) and plan on having more. I dont take it personally when she brings it up, or any other shit test for that matter. Its easy for her to get overwhelmed by the little ones and she just needs some reinforcement she has a strong masculine man to lead her.

  14. Social media has brought out all the ugliest sides of the woman’s personality. And a byproduct is that it’s also brought out th epredatory nature of beta males and their incessant ass-kissing.

    Fuck ’em all and feed ’em fish.

  15. @Rollo

    overall, great OP, i’ve seen all of this sh*t play out in my own social circle, but i think you are imputing some ‘dog’ into this ‘cat’ analysis…

    So, why the goading to get a vasectomy?

    just another sh*t test… which he fails by getting the snip…as long as he has SOME fertility, she (her hindbrain) has at least some doubt… once he gets the snip, it’s all over… = no doubt…

    The dots I keep connecting are a subconscious desire on the part of women to geld a husband to ensure he never reproduces with other women.

    girls are solipsistic, yo!…lol… once he gets the snip, she confirms that he is only good for provisioning… she doesn’t want him reproducing with other women bc of resources… not to ‘protect other women from substandard genetics’…

    It’s almost like a service she’s doing for the Sisterhood her future post-wall self. She’s making sure that her mistake beta resource provider never becomes any other woman’s mistake beta resource provider (via the child support model of resource transfer).

    fify… it’s like a twofer for her… no possible ‘mistake’ (when her hindbrain spins up that last ‘hail Mary’ attempt at repro)… and no possible drain on future provisioning (via some kind of ‘ooops’ with some other girl looking for provisioning…)

    once he hits that ‘confirmation of beta only’ bottom (by getting snipped), she (her hindbrain) really has no hope of spinning anything into a genetic repro possibility… so, there really is no down-side to laughing at him… it’s either that or crying for herself…

    good luck!

  16. RP is amoral, my ass.

    Rollo might as well wear a St. Gerard scapular now and picket Planned Parenthood dragging an oversized 2×4 cross muttering the Rosary. Bearded and wildeyed too.

    Of course, obtain a municipal permit first. Render unto Ceasar what’s his, yo!

    All together now….la-la-la…Come follow me, and I will lead you home.

    See y’all at Mass, fellow heathens. Bwahahaha.

    I love you guys to death. Keep it up!

  17. “I imagine that would be a ‘legitimate’ reason to have one, simply being careful and firmly putting myself as my mental point of origin. Thoughts ?”

    No way. No how. Vasectomy is diminishing your options. Life is long.

  18. “No way. No how. Vasectomy is diminishing your options. Life is long”

    Exactly! If you live an active lifestyle why wouldn’t you want the happy news of 18+ years of child support.

  19. Never had any female broach the subject of vasectomy. Never considered such a thing, nor will I ever. The knowledge that I can knock up any fertile woman as long as I draw breath is a part of natural manhood.

    Women’s talk and opinions regarding manhood matter not. Any contempt is just cause for immediate dismissal.

    Cool, isn’t it?

  20. Newflash(…again) ejaculation inside vaginas is the number one cause of pregnancy.

    It’s true.

    If you do not want kids because the thought of providing for your offspring is mortifying, keep your fucking sperm to yourself.

    If I was stupid enough to blast inside every chick I’d had sex with, I’d have a hundred kids or more. I have 2. I knew when they were conceived even.

    Read up on biology and act accordingly. It’s not difficult. Otherwise prepare to take care of your child. Vasectomy is like burning your car because you’re convinced you’ll have an accident and become paralyzed.

    Overreaction.

  21. I’m pretty certain I don’t want kids, so I’ve been considering getting a vasectomy. Too bad that easily reversible options (like vasalgel), which are certainly within our technological reach, are possibly being delayed by the FI because it would be an inconvenience for the FI to allow men greater control over reproduction.

    I have also wondered many times about so many accidental pregnancies, and whether the (presumably scientific) reports that women can get pregnant when the man doesn’t ejaculate inside them (due to pre-ejaculate having some low odds of impregnating) are actually tiny odds but exaggerated to allow an explanation of some other “accidents” that women sometimes have…

    That goes also for the odds of the pill being ineffective when eating certain foods etc., which is more palatable as an explanation than “I forgot (intentionally), oops!”

  22. IAS

    My first child was conceived while my wife was on ” the pill “. We attempted to plan pregnancy, but ejaculate sometimes won’t be denied.😁

    Condom.

    Raw dogging might have a penalty. Fact.

    He aware and understand that consequence may pay a lengthy visit.

    I never quite grasp how men that absolutely don’t want kids insist on putting bare dick inside women.

    I agree with sentient that life is long. Wrap it up until your attitude changes…..or doesn’t.

  23. I don’t fully understand those men who decide to have a vasectomy in order to protect themselves from being “sperm-jacked” by women and to enjoy unprotected sex as a result – who, in his right mind, would risk his sexual health and his life by having unprotected sex with women these days?

    After sex, rinse the condom.

  24. No true alpha has a vasectomy.

    The knowledge that a male sexual partner can impregnate the female he’s currently mating with, should he wish to do so, is part of the erotic attraction for that female. Once he’s lost that ability, his maleness, his masculinity, his attractiveness, is diminished in her eyes. Hence, those derisive, contemptuous social media posts.

  25. Part of her existential fear may stem from her survival instinct in opposition to the sharing of resources with children fathered to other mates. She will share if she’s worth having around. The vasectomy eliminates the chance of future claims, she will still question the past and expect other children to show up to claim alpha lineage.

  26. @John0

    “The knowledge that a male sexual partner can impregnate the female he’s currently mating with, should he wish to do so, is part of the erotic attraction for that female”

    He simply denies having one unless she becomes pregnant

  27. First pic (“punch in the face”) and last pic (“travel with dogs”) are conspicuous for an obvious reason: the woman looks older than the man. In fact, the first pic looks like an aunt pissed at her nephew…or “mom” and “sonny”, even.

    Men should avoid marrying older women for a whole lot of reasons, beginning with “milk” vs. “wine”.

  28. Social media is to women’s solipsism and ingroup preference as online porn is to men’s sexual needs. Except that men generally don’t “you GO dude!” other men when sharing porny URL”s.

    Social media is more like “meth for the ego”, in some respects.

  29. Vasectomy? Wtf? You guys do know that a weekly testosterone injection is as effective a method of BC as the female pill (98%+) ?
    And its easily reversed without an operation (stop injecting for 6+ months) .
    Also plenty of alpha side effects of having optimal T levels.

    Oh you didn’t? Well that’s on you dumbass go get the snip.

    I’ve never used protection with my 11 years younger gf of 2 years or with my previous 18 year younger main plate of 3 years and guess what No Kids!

    Who’d a thunk it? The solution is already there no need for operation or vasagel etc ! You want your sperm to be re absorbed into your own body anyway?

  30. I imagine that would be a ‘legitimate’ reason to have one, simply being careful and firmly putting myself as my mental point of origin. Thoughts ?

    Agree with Sentient that you are reducing your options. Based on relatives and men in my social circle, there will always be side effects – physical and mental side effects.

    By the way, I have seen these billboards in multiple states right by the freeway. I imagine they are making money, somehow.

    https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1396/752039346_ab0f6ee3f3.jpg

  31. Alternate captions for the pic at the head of the essay:

    “Mommy is happy now, see all my yummy snacks?”

    “I went to the doc for a vasectomy and all I got from her is cheap snacks!”

    “I swapped my sperm for snacks. Good trade, ya think?”

  32. Its the mans choice to have or not to have a vasectomy… its his life and no one else’s to decide or manipulate for their own benefit !
    Im 47yrs old and I had a vasectomy after 1 child (age 4) as parenthood is very hardwork & challenging everyday… I learned very quickly it takes a village to raise a child ! & the financial/marriage strain that occurred….Everyones circumstances are different.
    For me having a vasectomy was the best investment I have ever made and cost £460… which is peanuts compared to an accidental pregnancy !
    There is zero shame in the snip… its being smart…. just be 100% sure its the right choice for your circumstances on your terms only.

  33. The last picture makes me shake my head, he has no idea what is coming in the future with that girl, straight up innocent.

    Getting snipped is failing the ultimate shit test to the girl, I have told my wife that if it doesn’t work out with her for whatever reason I will start another family with a younger/hotter woman and have more kids there in addition to the two I have with here and I fully mean it.

    If a girl sees you as high value she will want to get pregnant by you, especially a girl in her early 20s. If a girl only has one child with you that is also a red flag as she most likely popped that kid out to trap you but has no further interest in popping out more now that she has the anchor, she however won’t get snipped because she wants to keep her options open. The sexual marketplace is downright ruthless , the most ruthless marketplace out there that is why Rollo’s book is so important.

    Take a look at what being nice and wifing up a woman with two kids led to for this nice guy dentist. Also for all you alpha “mu gun” types look at what it led to for her “lover” cop , life in prison. All while she walks free with at least a 1 million dollar life insurance payout. Get your shit straight straight.

    @Rollo you need to cover this case in one of your breakdowns. It illustrates all the points you have made over the years crystal clear and it harkens back to your phrase “Kill the beta, before it kills you”.

    https://www.distractify.com/p/who-killed-john-yelenic

  34. @foxy

    “I have told my wife that if it doesn’t work out with her for whatever reason I will start another family with a younger/hotter woman and have more kids there in addition to the two I have with here and I fully mean it.”

    That’s what blue pill pro calls family feud dread

    “If a girl sees you as high value she will want to get pregnant by you, especially a girl in her early 20s.”

    One of Rollo’s Irony Rules

    “If a girl only has one child with you that is also a red flag as she most likely popped that kid out to trap you but has no further interest in popping out more now that she has the anchor”

    It would be great if an upcoming video could cover this, case study?

  35. I got a vasectomy after we had our fifth child, wife was 42. After she delivered our son, she was in no condition to get a tubal ligation, and birth control had failed us multiple times already. I didn’t want another high risk pregnancy, so got snipped. My wife never teased me about it or used it against me. She’s gone now (cancer sucks) but I still believe it was the right thing to do.

  36. I’m out at deer camp and I have a lame- assed comment.

    Regarding the title, Rollo.

    I see why you did there.

    We know who demonstrates contempt, which is a 4-Horseman Gottman Relationship Killer…

    Who is the unconscious one, the Male or the Female?

    con·tempt
    noun
    the feeling that a person or a thing is beneath consideration, worthless, or deserving scorn

    I know who I vote for in LTRs when she decided it is best.

  37. “Exactly! If you live an active lifestyle why wouldn’t you want the happy news of 18+ years of child support.”

    Yes yes mgtows go cut your ball sack, let’s not risk knockimg up those dolls…

  38. Wala

    “Another one:: can’t get it up? You’re not a man. She’s dry as a bone? You’re not turning her on enough.”

    Your dick is a very good barometer. If YOU can’t get it up, there is generally a very good reason. It might actually be medical, it might be she’s unattractive – it most probably means you are not up for the task at hand. For some reason. Figure out that reason…

    She’s dry? Well again it might actually be medical (hormonal) bit most likely is you aren’t turning her on. Hint – if she is getting wet for somebody else but not you it’s not medical.

  39. Two comments to this post:

    Less than 20% of males are Alphas, so not every woman can land an Alpha for a LTR, no matter how overblown her own sense of SMV is. It’s a numbers game; an Alpha won’t waste his time on anything less than 8s even when having multiple women. It means that 7s and below need to compromise.
    Regarding the last paragraph, if a woman believes she landed an Alpha for LTR, vasectomy is in her interest after producing children with him. It’s an insurance that his resources will remain in her control for her and her children’s benefit and not be shared in case he reproduced with other women.

  40. ” Less than 20% of males are Alphas, so not every woman can land an Alpha for a LTR, no matter how overblown her own sense of SMV is. It’s a numbers game; an Alpha won’t waste his time on anything less than 8s even when having multiple women. It means that 7s and below need to compromise. “

    Source(s)?

  41. Another reminder to not hop on the Beta bandwagon. And that Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic.

    Finding yourself in a situation where your “wife” is making jokes like this…not good.

    Finding yourself in a situation where you think your “wife” making jokes like this is okay….even worse.

    Avoid. Like the plague. Time that would be spent tolerating this BS would be better spent asking yourself what masculinity means to you, and what it means to respect yourself as a man.

  42. Not only have you surrounded frame to her, you have surrendered frame to all womankind permanently. It’s a hindbrain thing, you can come up with all the logical , spreadsheet it a million ways as to why it was right, but at animal level you will no longer be reproducing which is the biggest sin possible against nature.

    I’m starting to agree that Alpha is a first and foremost a mindset, it has nothing to do with what you look like although that for sure can enhance it. I saw a pretty good looking woman at the mall yesterday with her husband, she was giving the eye , when I turned to look at the husband he was a muscular looking dude but she had him pushing the stroller and taking care of the kids. This woman was a solid 7 nice firm body , good face, nice tight ass, wearing a tight black dress.

    It’s a mindset, don’t push the stroller don’t be taking care of the kids, etc.

  43. “ No, I’m also not saying that if you did get a vasectomy you’re a pathetic loser Beta“

    “When a man submits to a vasectomy he has surrendered frame”

    get a vasectomy reworded as submits to a vasectomy

    not a pathetic loser Beta reworded as surrendered frame

    add more castration terms and bring to a boiling talk show

  44. It’s not so much the vasectomy/no vasectomy issue that strikes me here, it’s that men are willingly losing frame to social media. Losing frame not just to their woman but also to some vast unseen audience to which she is playing.

  45. @obit

    You are correct. However at this minute the guys are on youtube discussing the wrong concern, since they also sell shaming on social media.

  46. “It’s a mindset, don’t push the stroller don’t be taking care of the kids, etc.”

    After the first born the wife rgought it would be “so cool!” If we got one of those strap on baby things.

    Yeah… No.

    “But it’s so European!”

    Yeah. No.

    She really thiught it would be “neat” and “fun”…

  47. Gorgeous George
    Less than 20% of males are Alphas, so not every woman can land an Alpha for a LTR, no matter how overblown her own sense of SMV is.

    Alpha is situational. “Alpha enough” even more so, despite the effects of social media.

    Regarding the last paragraph, if a woman believes she landed an Alpha for LTR, vasectomy is in her interest after producing children with him. It’s an insurance that his resources will remain in her control for her and her children’s benefit and not be shared in case he reproduced with other women.

    Lol. Girls break rules for alphas. That includes monogamy. Ask aging rocker Rod Stewart’s women.

    You have a lot to learn. This is the right place. Stick around.

  48. Interesting.

    After my first daughter was born prematurely, weighing a touch over a pound, I’d go to the premature ward daily and have the nurses/attendants take her out of the incubator so I could sit and hold her and talk to her. It was the only time she’d open her eyes. 3 months later when it was time for her to finally come home, I picked her up from the hospital and secured her in a little carseat basinet thing, brought her inside the house, and placed her in her crib. I changed her diapers and gave her the first official ” at home ” bath. When I came from work, if the weather was nice enough, I’d put her in a stroller and take her outside.

    The doctors told me they’d not had any newborns with that low birth weight, so they braced me by telling me that if she survived the night, she’d probably have a 50/50 chance at survival. The told me about respirators and jaundice and infections ( none of which happened ), and the strong possibility that she’d be developmentally ” slow “.

    Funny, I understood what they said, but I never believed it. As she grew, I often took her with me when going out – even without mommy.

    Second daughter born under less emergency circumstances, so I was in the delivery room in the catcher’s position. Cut the umbilical cord and told the wife ” My Child..”. Ditto with her, took her all over the place with me, stroller included.

    In my mind, ” Father ” meant the same whether son or daughter during the formative stages. My mother told me that when my father came home from work every day, he’d zip me up in his jacket and just go walking ( lol, I never had a stroller ).

    If my babies were hungry, I fed them. If they needed a diaper change, I changed them. It never dawned on me that it was somehow forbidden or less masculine, lol. I didn’t ask anyone or even acknowledge, even though lot’s of females commented on how I ” was with my kids “. What they thought ( or anyone for that matter ) didn’t matter in the least.

    Now, I don’t have ” princesses “, but my girls are the most important thing to me after myself. Even my wives understood this. They’re like…3rd on the importance list. Growing up, my Father spent a lot of time with me, talking and teaching, so did most male relatives. That’s the only example(s) I know. I am unabashedly ” Old School ” and muh kids belong to me and are my responsibility until they can fend for themselves, and it’s my job ( and pleasure ) to set them up to succeed in life.

    Wifey asked me once if I was disappointed that I didn’t have a son and my answer is ” same difference, my offspring are my offspring “. I have 11 nephews, so I didn’t lack for baby males to instruct and love. ( funny, all 3 of my sisters have sons and I have all girls..My mom had 7 brothers and my dad has zero sisters. wtf?? lol.)

    I’ve known a bunch of men that I consider ” Alpha ” in every sense of the word, and most of them were fathers. In the sphere, we constantly try to paint ” Alpha ” as basically selfish ( with everyone including children ) over-sexed 6 ft+ tall square jawed handsome semi assholes that will only fuck, have adventures, and die ( probably with a hard on ), but I believe that notion is terribly misguided. Mindset.

    Yareally made the off color comment here years ago saying something to the effect of ” Your daughters will be the ones blowing us in the bathroom at the club ” or some shit. The power of fatherhood is underestimated both by society at large, and other men in general ( some times ). He couldn’t conceive of be able to stave off the nastier side of all of those ” influences ” at large.

    Bet he’d never push a stroller either.

    1. @Blax. It’s always enlightening to read your posts and for me, personally, humbling. Being a single, never married man and one of my friends being married with 2 little girls I respect the sacrifice he makes for his family. I have talked at length with him about his marriage and he is very pragmatic about it.

      Last year, at Christmas, he made a big revelation to me. He talked about how he thought about throwing himself on the train tracks. Not because he does not love his daughters and wife. That is what stopped him but because of the sacrifices he has to make as a man to keep that love. He said he got married because it was the done thing. That’s what society tells you. The burden of performance can be a bitch.

      An SJW then simplifies men’s depression to something as flippant as ‘men not being able to show emotion’ and ‘Masculinity causes men’ s depression’. Incorrect on so many levels.

      I have had a number of discussions with him about blue and red pill and he definately has a blue pill mindset but not completely. I have watched him with his wife and kids and he is an excellent father and very much keeps frame. Yes, his wife pushes the pram and he always keeps frame with his wife without belittling her. Very much a contextual Alpha. But has a bit of an egalitarian streak which has played out in debates about gender wage gap, divorce etc My thought is that comes with having 2 daughters and his in built biology to protect them.

  49. Well you bring the drama, and pleasant drama alpha,Blaximus. Good Job.

    “I’ve known a bunch of men that I consider ” Alpha ” in every sense of the word, and most of them were fathers. In the sphere, we constantly try to paint ” Alpha ” as basically selfish ( with everyone including children ) over-sexed 6 ft+ tall square jawed handsome semi assholes that will only fuck, have adventures, and die ( probably with a hard on ), but I believe that notion is terribly misguided. Mindset.

    Yareally made the off color comment here years ago saying something to the effect of ” Your daughters will be the ones blowing us in the bathroom at the club ” or some shit. The power of fatherhood is underestimated both by society at large, and other men in general ( some times ). He couldn’t conceive of be able to stave off the nastier side of all of those ” influences ” at large.”

    YaReally was retarded in some ways. And then he disappeared. Go figure.

    I have a son and daughter. They are nice people and well balanced. Half because of me and half because of my wife.

    We’re very good.

    In constraposition to the original essay, we had two children, first girl in 1992 and second boy in late 2014. We were forward enjoying life and both on a super trajectory. Engaged with life.

    Having kids was ever, for me, an evolutionary product of fucking my wife, for good. Not a conscious decision to have kids. It was just mother nature having her due.

    And I love/loved every minute of it. Then my wife became pregnant with a third and lost it to a miscarriage. It was not planned. We grieved for a short time, and then we certainly placed it in a compartment. And moved past it. At least I did.

    She then unilaterally decided to have a tubal ligation. I thought, Holy Shit, what is this? But I was fine with that because I was fine with that: two children. The cognitive dissonance lasted a couple seconds for me. But I was totally fine with it.

    I guess that was a thing in alignment with unconscious contempt. But I don’t know and I don’t care. I was where I wanted to be.

    I was never designed to have more than two beautiful kids. By nature. And by preference. I’m fine and I like the two. What I mean by that is that I actually was designed to not be over-extended by three or four.

    I never considered ever having a vasectomy. Ever.

    There may have been a situation back then, where she didn’t want to have another by me. I was fine.

    Heh, options…

    Things worked out fine. I was happy ever after.

    The kids are great.

    No harm done?

    I feel not. (not harm)

    Same as it ever was…

    I love my life.

  50. Degnerate alpha males with high notch count of partners get vasetcomy so they can’t get locked down by women who “forgot” to take birth control. Also there are happily married men who already had 2 kids and just dont want any more.

    But agree that American culture is approaching peak beta.

  51. As with most things, I think the attitude with which you approach it matters.

    You can be alpha and take care of your kids, walk around wearing them in a sling on your chest, whatever – because YOU want to. That’s still alpha, since it’s from your MPOO.

    What’s not alpha is to be pushed into it by your wife, “because it would look cool and European” or whatever.

    But the action is the same…

  52. @Blax:
    regarding the prevalence of male offspring in your parents, and you getting only daughters…

    It isn’t 50%, depending on how you conceive (and when, with respect to the actual ovulation date). We had some discussions about this here in the past. From memory, Y sperm (leading to male offspring) are sprinters and X sperms survive longer. So ejaculating close to ovulation favors by some degree Y sperm and so on, and the vaginal conditions in terms of acidity and such might favor X etc.

    There is also some Sexy daughters” theories:
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222878925_Sexy_sons_and_sexy_daughters_the_influence_of_parents'_facial_characteristics_on_offspring

  53. @Blax: you recently wrote (in a different comment) a story about a girl holding onto you as you ejaculated inside her (without your consent). Do you mind rewriting?

  54. @Redlight

    “He simply denies having one unless she becomes pregnant.”

    But then you get her drama – “How could you be so deceitful?”

    Plus, her pregnancy reveals she’s having risky unprotected sex with other men (which no vasectomy can protect against).

    Protect your penis – “Fuck, but cover”.

  55. @john0

    If she gets pregnant the drama of telling her it isn’t yours has been described as priceless.

    If you are spinning plates you still need to be covered. If you go exclusive and both get tested, then yes it will suck to go get tested again. Life with cunts instead of dolls.

  56. @Blax

    10-4 , I’ve pushed my kids on strollers rarely but it was of my own decision as it was yours, I will spend a lot of time talking to my kids about mindset and showing it, building the right mental foundations, etc. I also spend a lot of time academically with both my kids, they are big readers and top notch academically and I have specific academic programs for them.I spend not insignificant hours on this stuff but it gives me a big chance to mold them and that is priceless for me. They are already competitors for top places academically in any arena they enter.

    I also teach them athletics/discipline and they have specific programs in those areas also. I work with them weekly on these areas.In these same areas I myself have specific programs and they see me walk the talk daily whether it’s lifting weights every morning or reading/studying daily, etc.

    Dogma redpill including Rollo will say the above is beta and is not Alpha. There is a lot of “Alpha” romanticization going on in the sphere these days mostly by middle class guys about “Alpha”, who haven’t actually lived this “high risk” lifestyle but like to theorize about it, their life is anything but high risk, approaching some girl is not high risk. I grew up very poor financially and saw real high risk behavior, it rarely if ever works even in the short-medium term.

  57. Below are some quotes from the NY Times opinion piece The End of Babies. Rollo claims the cause is “not capitalism”, however he provides no details about virtual vasectomy, where guys have zero or only one child over their lifetime. Quotes:

    Thanks to scholarships, and my mother’s tremendous sacrifices, I graduated from college without debt. Thus unencumbered, I spent most of my 20s working and studying overseas. Along the way, I got two master’s degrees, and built a rewarding, if not especially remunerative, career. In my late 20s, I learned about egg freezing. … At 34, I finally underwent the procedure. Last year, I did another round. Ever since then, there’s a number I’ve been playing with as I’ve wondered about whether and when I will use those eggs. According to my back-of-the envelope calculations, I should have $200,000 saved before having a child. …

    The point is not really whether $200,000 is reasonable; it is that the very notion of attaching a dollar figure to an experience as momentous as parenthood is a sign of how much my mind-set has been warped by this system that leaves us each so very much on our own, able to avail ourselves of only what we can pay for.

    (What she needs is an “accidental” pregnancy, now where could she find that special someone?)

    In Denmark, one out of five men will never become a parent, a figure that is similar in the United States.

    Anders Krarup is a 43-year-old software developer living in Copenhagen who recently rediscovered his love of fishing. Most weekends he drives to the Zealand coast, where he communes with the sea trout. When he’s not working at his start-up, he meets friends for concerts. As for a family, he’s not particularly interested.

    “I’m feeling very content with my life at the moment,” he told me.

    Mads Tolderlund is a legal consultant who works outside of Copenhagen. At age 5, he was struck with wanderlust when he saw an advertisement for Uluru, or Ayers Rock, in Australia. He eventually resolved to visit every continent in his lifetime, and today, at 31, has just Antarctica to go. In his view, people have children either because they truly want them, because they fear the consequences of not having them, or because it’s the “normal” thing. None of those reasons apply to him.

    “I have so many other things that I want to do,” he said.

    (these guys are perfect, clearly able to provide child support after an “accidental” pregnancy)

    But as I reflected on the immaterial gifts I like to think I inherited from him (her father) it became clear I craved genetic continuity, however fictitious and tenuous it might be. I recognized then something precious and inexplicable in this yearning, and glimpsed how devastating it might be to be unable to realize it. For the first time, I felt justified in my impulse to preserve some little piece of me that, in some way, contained a little piece of him, which one day might live again.

  58. I second disgruntledearthling’s take. Got a vasectomy to improve my sex life. Worked, to unexpected levels and unforeseen ways. Wife didn’t celebrate it, really, more was ok with it; but I would definitely call the result rewarding it.

  59. https://therationalmale.com/2019/11/15/unconscious-contempt/#comment-284582

    @Anonimous

    Oh, I’ll stick around for the daily dose of Red Pill vitamins. However, I made that comment based on the experience of a friend who I’ve known since college, that I would classify as a Blue Pill Alpha, basically a Chad, was nailing chicks left and right back in college days. Then he found the One.
    Fast forward to present, he’s got good paying job climbing corporate ladder, just bought a bigger house and got a vasectomy after having kids. The wife does fuckall. You think he came up with the vasectomy idea by himself?

  60. @gg

    “You think he came up with the vasectomy idea by himself?”

    Maybe after six months of sleep deprivation torture from baby colic

  61. I do agree with Rollo regarding a woman’s view of a vasectomy and it is shameful for them to make light of it.

    I had a vasectomy before I divorced my wife and it was exceptionally empowering. Now that i am divorced it still is. I think you must talk about this Rollo. I have so much more confidence with women because they no longer have the leverage the leverage that is fundamental to conception.

  62. Rollo, vasectomy does not lead to “impotence”; it leads to “infertility”.
    Since you’re bright and cultured, I’m sure you know the difference. Hence, using the word “impotence” (and more than once) in such a wrong way, makes me think some bias has clouded your judgment. Sometimes we want to think rational, but we’re still emotional instead 🙂
    BTW, I had a vasectomy at 52 y.o., and it’s been a great choice. No more worry, freer sex, peace of mind.
    Condoms? Yeah, like those fuckers never fail… No, thanks.

  63. @Weyman

    It would be really cool if Rollo did a youtube video on vasectomy, discussing how empowering it is, building confidence and avoiding accidental or “accidental” pregnancies. It would save men, at least save them child support payments.

  64. Interestingly, there is such a thing as posthumous sperm retrieval whereby it is sometimes possible to extract viable sperm within 24 – 36 hours after death (or post mortem if you prefer Latin).

    Imagine your estate liable for 9 months plus 18 years for child support, without your consent.

    (I presume the procedure is medical, and not some death-grip handjob)

  65. Gorgeous George
    However, I made that comment based on the experience of a friend who I’ve known since college, that I would classify as a Blue Pill Alpha, basically a Chad, was nailing chicks left and right back in college days. Then he found the One.

    Alpha is situational. Plenty of men have gotten Oneitis and become Betaized as a result. This doesn’t invalidate the Red Pill. Quite the opposite – if a behavior pattern can be explained and predicted, then the model is accurate … accurate enough, anyway.

    Fast forward to present, he’s got good paying job climbing corporate ladder, just bought a bigger house and got a vasectomy after having kids. The wife does fuckall. You think he came up with the vasectomy idea by himself?

    Whose frame is dominant? The answer is obvious. Unless there’s some medical issue, he’s been Betaized.

  66. John O.
    Of course, we can all see what this will lead to….

    That article is over 10 year old. Girls write crap all the time. Point and laugh; “Oh, someone PMS’ing?” that’s all it deserves.

  67. ” I have so much more confidence with women because they no longer have the leverage the leverage that is fundamental to conception.”

    This concept needs serious examination. This is pure BP/FI conditioning.

    Every day babies are born to baby mommas whose dad’s suffer little consequence.

  68. Every day babies are born to baby mommas whose dad’s suffer little consequence, aside from 18+ years of child support

    Would you agree to assist men in paying their child support?

  69. Relight

    “Would you agree to assist men in paying their child support?”

    What part of “little consequence” don’t you grasp?

  70. Redlight

    “You want men to risk 18+ years of child support but want to skip town when that comes up”

    I want you to answer my question.

  71. 2,160,000 consequences

    Remember this from last month:

    “Good news is he’s a wealthy NYC lawyer so he’s on the hook for 10k a month for the next 18 years as he’s required to provide for his bastard son in the lifestyle his other children live.”

    She won the lottery!

  72. https://nypost.com/2017/05/27/hamptons-bachelors-are-getting-vasectomies-so-golddiggers-cant-trap-them/

    Quotes:

    Scott typically beds up to 10 different women per summer and estimates that 20 percent of the single ladies he encounters are looking to trap a rich guy with a baby.

    The goal? At the very least: 18 to 21 years of child support and, in some instances, a green card for the mother, since their child would be born in the US.

    “This extortion happens all the time. Women come after them. [They get pregnant and] want a ransom payment,” said Shusterman. “Some guys do an analysis of the cost — for three days of discomfort [after a vasectomy], it’s worth millions of dollars to them.

    “I never see a poor guy [asking] for a vasectomy,” he added. “Rich guys are a population that’s abused a lot.”

    Just ask John, a 34-year-old bachelor who had the procedure this month.

    The real estate developer and Upper West Side resident — who said he can have a different sex partner in the Hamptons every weekend — doesn’t want a repeat of last summer, when a woman he met at a party tried to pull a fast one after sex.

    She offered to dispose of the used condom, but when she was in the bathroom for a while, John got suspicious. He found the woman seated on the toilet and inserting his semen inside her.

    “She denied it, but she tried to get herself pregnant,” said John, who grabbed a towel and made her clean herself and then shower. “After that, I have to be a lot more careful.”

    Manhattan matrimonial attorney Ira Garr said of such unplanned paternity cases: “I deal with this every year. There’s potential to [have to] pay out a lot of money.”

    Child support is 17 percent of the father’s salary up to $400,000, after which the amount is at a judge’s discretion, according to Garr. For someone who makes $1 million a year, Garr estimates annual payments of $100,000 — a total of $2.1 million until the child turns 21.

    1. “Rich guys are a population that’s abused a lot.”

      Playing the victim is everything the Red Pill is not. It does not matter if he is rich or poor. That is playing into the FI

      A ‘rich guy’ could choose to not bang a ton of women or play safe. The thinking that 20% of women are out to get knocked up being the reason to get the snip is a bit short sighted. Learn to identify and evaluate that 20% of women and avoid. A man In his 30s and 50s is no longer an irresponsible teenager. There are now DNA tests (Conor McGregor recently passed a DNA test after a woman trying to pin her child on him) that can also be taken if a man knows he is doing the right thing.

  73. @Redlight

    re your goldiggers article –

    Women are such conniving creatures that they will turn a man’s infertile status into a form of misrepresentation or fraud – “I would never have slept with him if he couldn’t make me pregnant as he claimed he wanted to. I feel as if I’ve been raped.”

    Similar to the old breach of promise to marry under English common law.

    Just screeching aloud in the media or courts about it would probably satisfy their id and their anger.

  74. “Why is it women/wives think it’s cute to publicly ridicule their partner about the impotence he elected to have?”

    Your intentional conflating of sterilization with impotence is repulsive. Vasectomies can be reversed, or sperm can otherwise be extracted, as long as the testes are properly functioning.

    I got a vasectomy after the second (and both planned) child. Why? To avoid the risk of my (now ex-) wife intentionally “accidentally” becoming pregnant. Yeah, I knew the game, even then. My best decision ever, and it saved me a ton of child support money and prevented me from creating a hostage that would have prevented my leaving the marriage when the (then two) kids were grown. Not to mention being able to fearlessly enjoy sex without a condom.

    I agree that the “celebration” of a vasectomy is an odd and cringe-worthy activity, but it’s a sign of the erosion of personal privacy that younger people seem to embrace. (I have virtually no social media footprint, but I’m in my 60’s and I don’t care for it.)

    However, your fixation on it being necessary – to be a real man – to be vulnerable to creating more – potentially unwanted – children is just odd, considering your usual reasoned analysis of what constitutes manly attributes. I think you really missed the target this time.

  75. 😂

    This is some crazy shit. I mean, I get it, ” I didn’t want ( more or any ) children, but it’s the reasoning that’s atrocious. ” I didn’t want her/wife ” trapping ” me into child support, so I surgically altered myself to stop her “.

    Who frame this is?

    So women do the same? Any of them sewing their vaginas shut?

    What I’m hearing is : I don’t understand the mechanics of sex and I have zero sexual control ( and proud of it) and I am easily manipulated by women using my uncontrollable sex drive against me. I can’t live without ejaculation inside of a vagina, yet I’m terrified of the possible consequences of such.

    In a nutshell.

    A majority of men are not millionaires or rock/music stars or athletes. As sentient alluded to earlier, lots and lots and lots of men suffer no consequence after knocking up women. So the 50,000 a year dude is not in the same danger from gold digging tramps, and pointing to them as examples is disingenuous at best.

    The surgery renders a man infertile. Fertility is a hallmark of manhood whether you like it or not. Altering your manhood because ” woman ” is not broadly justifiable. What’s the next step? Castration? Surgically building a vagina? 😂 getting estrogen shots to artificially dampen the extreme need for wreckless ejaculation?

    The burden can be complex. Acting out of fear of what a woman Will do is not a hallmark of masculinity, and is FI approved as one voluntarily takes himself out of the game. I’m surprised feminist don’t actually fund vasectomies.

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