A consistent criticism I’ve received over the years is that the Red Pill is so negative. Why cant the Manosphere just sweeten up? Its truth is definable and self-evident, but why can’t Rollo adjust the ‘tone’? I’ve lived and written through several waves of newcomers to the ‘sphere and in each generation the same want for a ‘kinder, gentler’ Red Pill is always there. The idea is that if you just changed the delivery of the truth it would somehow make it more palatable to a wider audience.
Who’s It For?
I want reiterate here that it’s never been my goal to write for an audience. Whether it’s writing on this blog, my books or when I’m discussing things on various podcasts my only imperative is to convey the information I think is relevant to the topic of intersexual dynamics. My obligation is to picking apart and considering as close as I can get to an objective truth. And I don’t do this by way of some sense of duty to objectivism – it’s just the way that’s always seemed most efficient to me to come to a usable truth. It’s pragmatism on my part, not dedication.
Yes, I know, true objectivism is impossible for human beings. Yes, I also know that even biases we’re unaware of will subconsciously influence our rationality. Spare me the classicist intellectualism, I’ve been at this long enough to have considered all that. But the fact that objectivism is never perfect doesn’t mean we should strive for our best attempt at it – nor replace it with moralism.
I don’t write for an audience. I write about what I see going on around me and I connect dots. Writers today, of all medias, will tell you to “give your readers what they want” if you want to be successful. Writing about uncomfortable truths that rattle people’s cages is counterintuitive to the write-for-success mindset. If you want to sell books, if you want to monetize blogs, if you want to get more channel subscribers you gotta give the folks what they want, right? That’s how most churches work today; cater the message to the congregation if you want the tithe checks to stay consistent.
And always write to appeal to emotions too. People don’t enjoy thinking, but boy do they ever love feeling something – particularly in an age when female emotiveness is the order of the day.
When I began writing regularly it was in a forum environment. We hashed out many ideas and weren’t afraid to get ugly. It was a necessary part of the process. There was no pretense of appealing to an audience for money, traffic or readership. The sole focus was debating the truth about a dynamic. That debate was always a hot kitchen, but the results were something greater than the process.
As a result my essays carried over a lot of the heat from the SoSuave days kitchen. I wasn’t writing to impress readers or increase traffic to the blog it was just to document and codify the objective truths I came to. There is no monetization and the comment threads have never been moderated (besides spam and trolls). Almost 8 years later my charter is still about the same objective debate.
The drawback to this commitment to objective truth is that it rarely appeals to emotionalism. No, it’s not the ‘tone‘ or the feel of the information being related that’s so off-putting – it’s the information itself, and how it makes one feel, that determines whether it’s perceived as positive or negative.
Feels Before Reals
Most people who are still plugged into the proverbial Matrix are living in a world that prioritizes feels before reals. The purpose of consuming really anything is to judge it by how it makes us feel; and especially so in an era defined by the female experience. Emotion always comes before reason in women’s natural, unlearned, interpretive processes. This is also extended to men who’ve been conditioned to prioritize emotions before reason. And this is exacerbated by their need to be better feelers, better emoters, than those other ‘typical’ guys if they want an emotional woman to ever bear their children at some point.
Anything that prioritizes reason before emotion will always run the risk of being perceived as negative. Even if the sum of the information is positive, the fact that you had to come to the truth by way of reason rather than emotion will make it negative.
If you used your head instead of your heart to figure something out, in Girl-World, at best it’s bad form. At worst, you’re a negative pessimists or a cynic.
Usually those designations are reserved for the men who make a habit of using reason to the exception of emotion to relate an objective truth that’s unflattering to the feminine. Again, it’s the information, not the tone, that’s offensive to the emotions-first prioritization. To the Blue Pill mind, any strong idea that conflicts with this prioritization is an affront to the personal investments they’ve made in ideas that it challenges.
So, understand, I’m not a negative person by nature. I’m an artist. Few people know that my 2nd degree is a BFA. I draw, I paint, I play four instruments, I used to do Shakespearean stage acting – I’ve even done children’s theater.
I fully embrace the emotional as a necessary part of the human experience – Hell, half of Red Pill awareness is acknowledging and confronting emotions. I’m certainly not a cynic or a pessimist. Anyone thinking so usually hasn’t read my work. I’m very much an optimist when it comes to creating a New Hope for men in a Red Pill paradigm. I don’t just stop at clinical realism and leave men hanging. I don’t subscribe to the ennui of the “Black Pill” – I’m certainly not absolutist or a determinist.
However, I also have a commitment and an obligation to objective truth in everything I write. Trust me, there are times I wish I could use my wife and my marriage as a ‘proof of concept’ example of how a Red Pill aware guy can make a relationship work today. But the objective truth would make me look like a charlatan if I tried to convince a man that marriage was at all a good idea in its present state.
That’s tough for me. I have had to hold back from posting pictures of my beautiful wife and daughter to prove something to truly negative naysayers. Ladies, you want me to write something positive about women? I love my wife dearly. She’s been a net benefit to my life for all of 23 years now. My daughter is a model. She’s feminine to a fault and she’s smart and ambitious. I would die for her, gladly.
But I never use my personal life as an example in my work for their protection, but also because I don’t want to lead men astray by in anyway implying that what I have is possible for them. And I’ve had men tell me that, “I want what you have.”
But I don’t make value calls. I consider information, I try to interpret it, and I present it in such a way that it’s useful to men where they’re at. I want to give you tools to use to build your own life, not mine.
Truth & Hustle
Admire the Hustle. We read this a lot in the Manosphere among the guys who fancy themselves entrepreneurs. I think one reason critics think the Red Pill is negative is because all they see is the Hustle. The Hustle has a way of becoming the whole point of anything.
I’m an abortion doctor, but I make six figures and I’m the best at what I do. No one will out-work me. Admire the Hustle baby.
When the selling is more important the the product itself, then you have problems. When the truth is less important than the Hustle inevitably our truth becomes the Hustle. There needs to be a balance and that’s getting harder and harder to find now.
We’re at a moment in the Manosphere where the truth is starting to get lost in the Hustle. I’m accused of it, or I’m accused of associating with ‘too much Hustle’. Well-meaning colleagues with too much perception and not enough information are feeling that salesmen care more about the sale than the product.
I hear you.
Let me finish here by reiterating that my obligation to objective truth will always be my motivation for doing anything I put my name on. It always has been. However, I have worked for amazing companies who sold things that people loved and enjoyed only to watch them crumble and die because the sales team assumed control of the ‘product’. The selling became more important than what was being sold.
My books, my blog, my appearances, every aspect of The Rational Male is my art. I craft each essay. It’s what I care about most. I will never allow the truth to be compromised by the Hustle. The Hustle is important, particularly when it’s about disseminating the truth, but it is secondary to the truth – even to the exception of the Hustle. Sometimes the truth doesn’t sell.
This Is Important
We are rapidly entering a time when our ideas will be vilified. Very soon the objective, life-saving, praxeology that is the Red Pill will be used as a label, as a synonym, for negative ideologies that never had anything to do with the Red Pill. And people who are all about the Hustle will gladly abandon the truth they’re selling now if it means the public opinion of it would compromise their Hustle. It’ll be less about what we’re discussing than how influential and how many followers the person we’re discussing it with has.
Others, those who were appropriating the ‘brand’, will throw the Red Pill under the bus to save their own necks. The coming storm is going to test the resolve of people who are all about the Hustle and all about the Red Pill. I know where my obligations lie, they’ve never changed.
Praxeology; the art of judging the events of the past as illustrative of the causes of the future as an aid to acting in the now.
@Sentient – Your tedious word-parsing didn’t add up to an actual argument. Simple question for you: Are you a white separatist and supremacist? Or not. Simple question, bunky. But I will take a moment to smash your insipid comment about how “ATM” we are supposedly as dominated by a privileged elite as were peasants were in European medieval, feudal times. FUCKING HORSESHIT. Back then one barely had property rights, the law was whimsical and the majority of people – 80% plus – lived lives of desperate squalor and deprivation. Famine was not uncommon. One didn’t have the right to free… Read more »
@KFG – You are not usually so sloppy, your definition of praxeology is way off. Praxeology or praxiology (/ˌpræksiˈɒlədʒi/; from Ancient Greek πρᾶξις (praxis), meaning ‘deed, action’, and -λογία (-logia), meaning ‘study of’) is the study of human action, based on the notion that humans engage in purposeful behavior, as opposed to reflexive behavior like sneezing and unintentional behavior. It’s the study of human actions that are based on intent, not base level reflexes. As such, what is implied is that there is a “method to our madness” in how we behave as humans and by observing the actual artifact… Read more »
Oh a Scribbrant… a.) You know nothing about me or my views, but jump to the “bigot” catchphrase. I said a few posts up “racist” is a label… But really if you do know please posts a synopsis, will be entertaining. b.) Talk about parsing! You fail to address the substance of the comments I made other than pedantically going on – yet again – about what real feudalism was/is. kfg got the reference and that’s good enough for me 😉 . c.) Oh the irony of the guy railing against “pre-modern savages” throwing these stones… lol What are you… Read more »
“The suicide by proxy at the end of Saving Private Ryan turned out to be a pointless one …”
I don’t remember Tom Hanks et. al. not fighting to the end. They didn’t intend to be killed by another’s hand though it ended up that way. Thus, it wasn’t suicide. Again, IMO, intent is important.
btw, I am totally sympathetic to you and find you a wonderful online character. Thanks for being you.
According to Gulag, that fireplace poker threat is real…
https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/crime/woman-who-killed-boyfriend-with-fireplace-poker-sentenced-to-years/article_8792e9bc-7a69-50d9-9854-6115e6390710.html
https://wnyt.com/news/rebecca-wesson-woman-accused-of-killing-dog-with-fireplace-poker/4712599/
Be safe out there…
“They didn’t intend to be killed by another’s hand . . .”
Neither did I, I simply predicted it as one of the most likely outcomes. Another, and perhaps even more likely, outcome is that I would have had to kill in the defense of either myself or a child.
But as it turns out it was a “child” (16) who did the killing reportedly in defense of another child. He is in jail today, not me.
“Thanks for being you.”
I have never, for one moment, ever thought about being someone else.
” . . . that fireplace poker threat is real…”
My first thought on hearing the specific was “Good Lord, I’m a character in a cheesy Victorian gothic novel for reals.”
@Sentient – I’ll do this one last time. As for “KFG getting” your asinine comparison of our current socio-political order to feudal times, that’s you just declaring victory where there is none. Very common on the web today but no less fatuous. I’ll take on one other idiotic aspect to your comment, the point that blacks did better when segregated. The data actually show blacks doing far better in the North where segregation was much less rigorous. Gosh, @Sentient, how could that be if “segregation” was good for black social outcomes? It turns out segregation is bad for blacks, not… Read more »
“Noticing the state of their societies doesn’t make me a racist. What makes those societies so “savage”? Essentially it’s “honor culture” . . .”
Anglosplaining the White Man’s Burden. They’ve never seen that before on the Indian subcontinent.
“Moments later, the man delivered a stillborn baby.” — The Washington Post
https://pjmedia.com/trending/transgender-tragedy-this-baby-died-because-the-mothers-medical-records-listed-her-as-male/
We are so fucking doomed. In future I suppose the forms might ask “are you a testicles man or a womb man?,” which would, ironically enough, bring English in a full circle back to speaking English.
Hm. Too bad the Wa Po article and New England Journal of Medicine articles require a subscription to view the “pregnant man” story. Seems like there must be more to it, assuming he/she/it was capable of speech. From what I could gather from pieces I was able to read, someone who looked like an obese fat man went up to the nursing Triage desk at the ER and said, “I peed myself” (which was intended to convey the water broke).
Weird story.
Strange times, these.
” . . . the Wa Po article and New England Journal of Medicine articles require a subscription . . .”
Amazon gave me six months of the Bezos Blog free. Then they tried to sell me another six months for a buck.
Get outta here. It was overpriced at free.
Feminism means just because she was born with gash betweeen her legs she always has excuse for negative behaviors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps_of_Meaning/comments/bphxql/interview_with_the_parents_of_kendrick_castillo/?ref=share&ref_source=link
Scribblerg
@Sentient – Your tedious word-parsing didn’t add up to an actual argument. Simple question for you: Are you a white separatist and supremacist? Or not. Simple question, bunky.
Shaking my head. Modern people. No respect for tradition & history.
Scribbs, you should know the proper way to ask that question is:
“Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of [something]?”
C’mon, do it right or don’t bother. Unless you’re one of those secret Wreckers…
Scribbs you and everyone else here – you can’t be a good person and be a hateful bigot. Sez you. One of the goodest persons I ever knew was a kindly old man who would park his car and go talk to the “Veet Nam Vet Will Work For Food” beggars at intersections. He’d offer them work, when they didn’t want it he’d offer them a meal, when they declined that he’d offer them a Gideon’s Bible. He went out of his way for men who were stinking drunk. Good person, maybe? He also hated theJapanese and everything about them… Read more »
Scribbs
But whatever you do, stop offering banal half-baked arguments to me
Lol. Irony…
Scribbs
@AR – Let’s deal with Voxday finally
You deal with him. He’s your personal obsession, not mine.
PS: The strawman fallacy remains a fallacy no matter how many times you dance around with it.
kfg
We are so fucking doomed. In future I suppose the forms might ask “are you a testicles man or a womb man?,” which would, ironically enough, bring English in a full circle back to speaking English.
There already cases on record of “women” developing advanced prostate cancer without any detection. Because who gives a PSA or PCA-3 test to a woman in a dress? This can only get better in the brave future that is so newly upon us!
@Palmasailor
Hoist a pint for me. Unless you’re one of those Campari fellers…
@AR
“Put your paper dolls away, Scribbs, real humans are at least 3-D if not 4-D.”
Beautifully put.
@Blax – How does it feel to be a major member of a racist community? A community that believes you are defective because of your race? If you keep hanging out here, you are essentially an Uncle Tom, buddy. @Rollo – You provide a space for actual bigots and racists, among other folks. Is that okay with you? Are white nationalists people who just have “a different set of ideas” about the world? Or actual bigots? How does it feel to silently acquiesce to actual racism? Not imagined racism, not race realism, but actual bigotry and actual racism? That’s part… Read more »
Feel better now?
Feel better now?
lol
Scribbs – it’s OK to be white bro, don’t feel guilty.
I’ve been called a lot of things in my lifetime, but this is the first time I’ve ever been called an Uncle Tom.😂
Sentient
You’re 100% right, it’s okay to be white.
But ” being white ” doesn’t mean at the expense of ” others “. Somebody else doesn’t have to be lowered to elevate someone else. I’m all about one having pride in themselves and not allowing being fucked over by word of deed. In group preference doesn’t have to include out group malice, because then it becomes something else entirely.
That’s what the resident uncle Tom thinks anyway.
Blax
I’m all about one having pride in themselves and not allowing being fucked over by word of deed. In group preference doesn’t have to include out group malice, because then it becomes something else entirely.
Exactly what “Blaximus” would say. And I agree… But this “expense of others stuff”… at some point pushing comes to shoving, you know that, that’s how a “Blaximus” can be here posting.
One has what one holds. That’s what “not allowing being fucked over by word and deed” looks like…
“In group preference doesn’t have to include out group malice, because then it becomes something else entirely.” I would very much like to live in Japan for a while – when it was still Japanese. Now I can just go down the street to have corn flakes and orange juice at the Marriott, I don’t have to haul my ass all the way to Kyoto to do that. I miss cultural diversity. Even in the back of beyond the native weavers actually wear Levis and Hanes these days, cranking out cartoons of what they used to wear to sell to… Read more »
“Uncle Tom”…
[Makes note of woke virtue signaller’s unironic use of racial slur… Lolz]
“Reality matters.”
Laid-on-the-regular guys are too chill to write all that. Reality is…anger is the Satan’s heroin.
@ Blaximus
“I’m all about one having pride in themselves…”
Pride in what about themselves?
IMO, the answer defines the man.
Pride in themselves period, divorced from anything anyone else is saying/doing. There’s a baseline that men should establish for themselves.
“Pride in themselves period, divorced from anything anyone else is saying/doing.”
You tell the above to a young (or old) man and he replies…”Uh, Mr. Blaximus….I really don’t know what I should be or what I should do with myself. I’m not trying to be argumentative, please Mr. Blaximus, really I’m not….but what about me should I have pride in again?”
““Uncle Tom”… [Makes note of woke virtue signaller’s unironic use of racial slur… Lolz]” would be hilarious if Blax’ given name was Thomas… cause then he’d actually be Uncle Tom to all his nieces and nephews and probably a bunch of other people who look up to him would call him that too “Alt Righters are currently building their own echo chamber. Note that on two Red Pill sites, my dissent about Chateau Heartiste was blocked. I was censored on Counter-Currents and the RedPill reddit for saying that Chateau Heartiste was legit banned. I let both moderators know they were… Read more »
Hey Rollo, this is OT but given the new reporting feature by Trump perhaps you can file a complaint. You do not autocomplete on twitter and even when you type in @Rollo Tomassi nothing comes up until you actually click search. not sure if this qualifies as a shadow ban or not.
anyway keep up the great work. likely as with everyone else here your work is helping me change my life for the better. thank you.
it’s not his speech. it’s his personality.
you can kick somebody out of your space for having a shitty personality as that is not a protected class either
Every time I read CH’s commentary section the thing that always stood out about the posters was the many fantastic personalities.
Another for your list Rollo
https://nypost.com/2019/05/17/teacher-had-sex-with-student-in-suv-behind-hotel-court-docs/
And… Be careful HOW you “Awaken the Giant Within”…
https://nypost.com/2019/05/17/tony-robbins-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-berating-rape-victims/
The way I see it, playing word games to make people punk themselves for you without having to fire a shot is just the latest page in the evolutionary arsenal of human beings. I mean it’s always been done. Just now it’s on the internet.
You can tell a lot about someone from the way they write…I have absolutely no bias or prejudice for or against Blaximus based on his identify. It doesn’t matter one way or the other to me.
I just find him obnoxious, full of self-pity, self-serving and the kind of fairweather friend who would throw you under the bus if things got rough. Your recent comments just bring down the whole discussion to s screeching halt and make it all about you instead of the wider issue we were concerned about…
It’s a character thing…
What exactly is the wider issue? Freedom of Speech? Where do you draw the line.
A man should never be judged as good or bad. A man’s virtues lie in his actions and not his words. He leads by example from the ground up. Words are cheap.
The wider issue deplatforming without any specific reason or appeal mechanism all done with a clear pattern of political bias.
@Palmasailer since your brought it up…you start…
The content of CH spoke for itself. The Western World experiences freedom more than any other time in history. A man can be whatever he wants to be. And yet there have to be rules to preserve that freedom or we would have anarchy. Freedom of Speech will always come at a cost. A man is free to say what he wants but he also must understand if he steps outside the social construct of the society he is part of he will try to be silenced. Is it wrong? Is it right? It does not matter. It how it… Read more »
Re-reading the original post, I was struck by Rollo’s remark about the Red Pill being seen as ‘negative’. But it makes me think of a photo-negative, where black is white and white is black. Sitting here with my laptop staring out the window, I feel a negative space within me as a direct consequence of my growing awareness of what Rollo talks about. I had Blue Pill dreams for such a long time—being truly loved by a woman, finding my soulmate, all that stuff—that I can feel the space where they used to be. It makes me think of the… Read more »
Sorry you feel that way wala, because I have opinions on a particular subject/website that you don’t agree with. It makes you angry. It doesn’t make me obnoxious, or self pitying, or any of that shit. That’s your way of rationalizing how what I say makes you feelz. Lol, I don’t throw anybody I know under any buses. You’re just piling on negatives, but they don’t stick to me. And…. CH is still gone.😂 Know why I keep saying that? Because it irks you and makes you react. When someone iris you, people tend to react. Your reaction was to… Read more »
Palma / Wala
Same here 2 maybe 3 like this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=JREouTHpyJE
Scores of “friends” though. Sociable, pleasant, fun etc. But there’s really not a lot of opportunity to cultivate abiding friendship, not enough time, people spread out etc.
Now my closer group is slowing down…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3Zx8XNTtXRQ
@Palmasailer By “F” count you mean Friend count. Right. In my case 2-3.
Sadly the guys I know who claim to be “Friends” are usually just opportunists.
Gloat while you can Blax… Several guys had full archives of CH. It’ll be back…
Cartoonist
“But Nature abhors a vacuum and sooner or later something else will come along to fill it. But I want to be very careful what I might fill it with.”
Yeah watch that “be careful” stuff. Let your biology fill that vacuum. Now you are free to really enjoy women for what they are and not what your covert contracts demanded of them. A much better place to be trust me.
Sentient
Yeah I know heartiste will probably reemerge rebranded. Lol, but I’ll always be able to remember the time the site got shut down. And if it goes back to business as usual, it might happen again ( depending on the platform).
Blaximus What’s most telling , is that scribblerg attacked Rollo directly, and not one commenter has rebuked him yet, but the Heartiste defense has been going strong for 3 days now. Men should avoid being cultish imo. Walawa mentioned that you bring the comments to a halt, which isn’t also telling wrt discussion of ideas . The manosphere evidently isn’t really about ideas at the end of the day. Heartiste was definitely a racist site, but very few see that as a problem, choosing to look back fondly with dreams of freedom and empowerment over the ” other “. That’s… Read more »
Palma
How are you defining ” friend “?
Robert
Sophistry is its own rebuke.
Blax – see the first video.
Robert Lol, I’m used to it by now, and it hasn’t been a problem since I was in my twenties. Scrib ranted and raved, but as I recall, he’s the only commenter that consistently made references to my race, along with standard racist tropes about iq and the like. Most of the time it just came out of thin air. Trm isn’t a racist community as Scrib has said…before calling me an Uncle Tom…..which I guess I shouldn’t respond to because comments will grind to a halt. My bad. In the land of the internet, guys are trying to construct… Read more »
” . . . not one commenter has rebuked him yet . . .”
I did worse than that, because I thought that’s what it deserved.
” . . . the Heartiste defense has been going strong for 3 days now.”
I don’t recall seeing any and there are a number of us here with no love lost for it.
Comment from Sentient to Youngmaster:
…Don’t ask a cat to retrieve a ball…
This comment was laugh out loud funny to me.
So, my daughter has launched. This change in lineup has disturbed the family cat. The cat has been wanting to…
So, true, never ask a cat to retrieve a ball, but if the cat brings you the ball…
@scribb, so I guess I should just close this blog to make you feel better then? I can’t possibly make you feel better or convince you otherwise so fuck it. Lets just shit can the whole thing. I’d rather erase all of this life-saving information than have anyone think this blog is secretly about racism, IQ supremacism or ethno-nationalism because a commenter posted one thing that triggered you. So go report me then. Tell WordPress TRM is a racist haven and be sure to point out all the posts about ‘soft racism’ I’ve done since 2011 and then make sure… Read more »
Robert What’s most telling , is that scribblerg attacked Rollo directly, and not one commenter has rebuked him yet, Scribbs has been having little meltdowns like that for several years. Sometimes directed at other commenters, sometimes directed at Rollo, sometimes directed at phantoms in his head. Reactions vary; some men ignore him, some men engage him. Doesn’t seem to make much difference either way, because eventually he repeats a version of his tantrum even if everyone ignores him. So…what’s your point? PS: I’d rather have Scribbs tantrums from time to time than have to put up with aging feminists such… Read more »
Oh, and be sure to link all the men’s comments in this thread when you flag TRM to the WordPress overlords.
https://therationalmale.com/2017/07/06/confidence-and-the-safety-net/
Rollo
Oh, and be sure to link all the men’s comments in this thread…
Heh.
The Red Pill is that almost everyone is racist and it’s almost impossible to escape it. People tend to discriminate visually. Liberal whites are racist and become anti-white because of “white guilt.” They compound their racism. It’s not unreasonable to call them “race traitors.” Blacks are racist because they always seek to benefit blacks over other races and black leaders and other liberals game whites with “white guilt.” (Guess who fits here?) Asians are racist in various ways. Chinese and Japanese believe that they are superior to all others. Filipinos are mixed, like Indians. Some are pro-white and some are… Read more »
” Blacks are racist because they always seek to benefit blacks over other races and black leaders and other liberals game whites with “white guilt.” (Guess who fits here?)”
Your autism is showing again.
You would have absolutely no clue at all.
” Asian Daughter Gamer gave birth to white Granddaughter Gamer..”
Genetically impossible, but you see the world very differently.
It’s cool though, but you needed to have gotten out much more during your life.
@Blax
You can only call people racist so many times before it loses the power to intimidate them into complying with your world view. They want to elect who they pursue mutually shared goals with. They want to choose who they call family. That means being ok with people making choices you don’t like. To demand that people open their inner worlds to whoever “popular” sentiments dictate is putting the cart before the horse as far as relationships go.
Yollo This is the problem – I’m not trying to intimidate anyone into anything at all. That’s how what I’m saying is being perceived in some ways. If I’m at a site that calls people ” sand niggers ” and saying shit like ” diversity = war “, and I point that out as racist, I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything. It’s disingenuous to the tenth power to say that peope cannot see or identify this stuff when it’s right in front of them, and instead couch it as ” free speech “, when that’s not the issue.… Read more »
Heartiste got taken down because of his going against SJW talk (you know who else goes against MSM/SJWs?). Not his “racist” views. Dudes been talking shit about minorities/refugees for years and no one did anything lmao. I’m a minority and unlike you, blax, I really don’t give a shit what he writes about my race. I read his site religiously back in 2014-15 for the game posts and yareally’s comments. I didn’t stop reading his site because “me feel bad. mean racist white man say bad things about my race wah wah”. I stopped reading, because the dudes “game” posts… Read more »
Lol. Minorities that read CH didn’t give a fuck of course.
Changes nothing, not about feelz.
There’s no way that nobody can understand what I’m saying.
Let’s stop talking about it shall we all? It’s like talking Red Pill with a dude that’d rather die than give up his Blue Pill. At some point ya gotta say ” just do you dude “.
There is no racism, but if it were, it’d be perfectly okay.
As long as it ain’t about you.
Get it right Blax
It’s “Diversity+Proximity=War”
http://americandigest.org/wp/diversity-proximity-war-the-reference-list/
Diversity comes in a lot of forms… You should ask a Tutsi about a Hutu and vice versa…
… if your family has been in America for 10-12 generations….
@Blax A better word for that would be prejudiced, don’t you think? Maybe you aren’t the one sicking the thought police on anyone. But have you heard of the many black guys on youtube stoking hatred and contempt for whites and anyone who “aint about this black skin”? This phenomena you observe doesn’t come out of nowhere. It comes out of people constantly stepping over the line with each other. That line is to be respected. I don’t care who did what to anyone since such a thing would be post-facto. The way I see it, when you don’t overstay… Read more »
There’s no way that nobody can understand what I’m saying.
Yollo No disrespect intended, but there are 42 million black people in the U.S.. The problem with social media and the web is that it’s not representative of much of anything but a collection of a sample of individuals. I have no idea what you refer to re: Black guys on youtube, because I understand youtube is just individuals saying whatever they like ( free speech ), and I keep it in that perspective ( except for the technical, automotive, health and science related content. everything else is pretty much ” Hey!!! Look at me!!! I’m controversial!!!). When someone shows… Read more »
Blaximus The inability to understand is intentional . You are writing in English , using words that have meanings, but the refusal to understand is too staunch. The internet will not change in this regard. Not even on a non racial site like try. Anonymity is a gift and a curse. I propose that you do what you’ve said and stop talking about the subject. Then the intentional misunderstanding will cease . You are on the correct path, in that there is no racism at all in the manosphere . And if it is, who cares? Until it comes to… Read more »
@Blax
Crowds of incensed consumer piggies don’t fall out of the sky though, do they? Also;
“When someone shows me 42 million black people all in one place cosigning something, then I will give that merit. Otherwise it’s ” all blacks ( or whoever )” and that’s just silly af..”
Nobody said all blacks. Dammit not again.
I said, annoying hack-job blacks exist and it’s a pain in my ass. I’m speaking from experience now.
Blax, you don’t understand what it’s like to be white and you can’t understand what we mean when we call people “sand niggers” and other white jargon (e.g., “technicals” and “Lower Alabama” and “trailer trash” and “slopes”), so you have no right to call us racisss.
Just amusing myself…at Blax’s expense.
” Liberal whites are racist and become anti-white because of “white guilt.” They compound their racism. It’s not unreasonable to call them “race traitors.” Blacks are racist because they always seek to benefit blacks over other races and black leaders and other liberals game whites with “white guilt.” (Guess who fits here?) Asians are racist in various ways. Chinese and Japanese believe that they are superior to all others. Filipinos are mixed, like Indians. Some are pro-white and some are pro-Filipino or pro-Indian. Usually the upper and lower classes favor their own tribe. Generally, it’s to the advantage of middle… Read more »
asd,
I love you, but you’re ignorant. I was born and raised in America. you don’t know anything about black folks or minorities outside of what you’ve read, or heard. I’m in society with the majority. I work in a company ( and mostly all of them have been the same ) with 600 employees, 10-12 of whom are black.
Lol, I’ve had 57 years of immersion and exposure. You, have not done the same.
btw, one last thing ( please…).
asd, when I see a ” white ” person, my mind does not automatically assume anything past the obvious skin color. I’d miss a lot of great people by not allowing them to show/tell me who they are and just making assumptions.
You won’t hear ” all whites ” from me ever, because I know better.
Blax’s commentary in italics: “To the extent that whites are under threat because of an anti-white narrative” ( blameless and pure…lol ) Here Blax is commenting on the white experience because he is…black. word for the day: blaxpocrisy Black people don’t vote for the liberal democrats (and RINOs) in droves (>90%), so saying that generalities can be applied to them is pointless…oh, wait… Liberal dems and RINOs push feminist anti-male policies, so we in the manosphere have every right to point the finger at blacks (and give you all the finger if you don’t own your shit). Red Pill Truth… Read more »
“You won’t hear ” all whites ” from me ever, because I know better.” Whites tend to have more diverse political views than blacks. About 40% of whites voted for Obama in 2012 as compared with 95% of blacks. I have black friends. One bought me a drink recently. I had a black supervisor for a couple of years. Mrs. Gamer worked for a black woman for about a decade. Mrs. Gamer has worked with black peers for decades and Mrs. Gamer informs me about them. Then there was the camp for inner city youth and tutoring inner city youth… Read more »
” Liberal dems and RINOs push feminist anti-male policies, so we in the manosphere have every right to point the finger at blacks (and give you all the finger if you don’t own your shit). Red Pill Truth no. 114.”
Ummm, this ain’t Heartiste. Wake up asd.
” You may have worked with white people, but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t guarded around you. I sure as hell know that blacks I worked with were guarded around me. Otoh, I worked with a lot of asians and they weren’t guarded as a general rule.”
Do you realize your constant ” whites are better because …” narrative doesn’t serve your argument???
You do not know whether people were ” guarded ” or not, why assume everone is autistic?
600 people currently vs your roommate once, guy that bought you drinks…..
LMFAO.
” Here Blax is commenting on the white experience because he is…black.”
No, I’m commenting on your revisionist historical perspectives, where everyone else is just fucked up somehow.
Aight. This is useless because asd is well versed in the heartiste brand of retaliatory ( and false ) response. Seen it a million times.
Have a nice night asd, and stay out of the precinct if possible.
Blax, it’s your failure to own blacks’ shit that earns you silent hatred from those who recognize it. From me you only lose respect…and I like you quite a bit less as well. And blacks’ failure to own their shit stokes folks like Heartiste. Karma is a bitch. I got quite a lot of vitriol over at heartiste from racist dumbasses, but I didn’t get banned because I was thoughtful and knew when and how to push back. You, otoh, got banned, which I shall remember and enjoy in perpetuity because it showed your butthurtedness. Butthurtedness from men loses them… Read more »
your autism fucks with your perception and vision evidently.
Go dance or something.
…. and CH is still gone.
“Do you realize your constant ” whites are better because …” narrative”
here’s that lack of truth-telling thing again…because you read into what I say instead of taking it at face value…autists are typically very poor at deception…you can’t connect the dots because you aren’t thinking clearly because of emotion…while I am cool as a glacier
it all comes back to game
Asd
You must realize that you’re making blaximus points in real time with your incessant ” blacks ” talk, right ?
He triggered you and you reverted from ” I’m not racist ” to a mini tirade against ” blacks “. You do see that right?
You do read what you type I assume?
This is very funny to see in real time .
Blaximus, I commend you for being the only black dude posting here and showing patience in the face of the barrage of bullshit. This dude you call autistic is more than autistic. He is crazy as fuck. I cant tell if he is crazier than scribbler guy or not, but they both have a couple of screws loose. Do me a solid and stop wasting your time trying to explain to guys that can’t see racism by refusal or misdirection, what racist is. They know well enough but they want to put on an act of some sort. If anyone… Read more »
@Juanista.. Well said. I would hate to see Rollo de-platformed. The Rational Male and his blog writings are very important to me and many other men.
The Red Pill, to me, loses it’s messege when politics is introduced. The likes of Roosh and Roissey speak for themselves. They are not for me. But there is a lot of virtue to Rollo”s messege. He helps men understand themselves better and to grow into something they thought they could never be. Is that not what it is all about?
…. We are not alone ” A black guy is one of the most respected long-time commenters at The Rational Male — a far more sober and measured “manosphere” site than Chateau Heartiste. The TRM blogger and most of his readers dutifully try to avoid bigotry although there is a clear sense that men are the victim of today’s culture wars. People are pretty behaved at Rational Male despite almost no moderation — although there was one inanely funny sequence where some idiot was taunting the black guy with picture after picture of squalid African mud huts, in contrast to… Read more »
“there was one inanely funny sequence where some idiot was taunting the black guy with picture after picture of squalid African mud huts, in contrast to pix of magnificent towers and cathedrals built by white civilizations”
Lmfaooooooo. Hank’s the man
It’s not uncommon for white men to tell black men who they are and what they think . It’s not much different here. The resistance to listening is why there can be no understanding. Blaximus is being effectively dismissed offhand. But, he keeps trying, in vain I think.
Maybe I’ll just disable all comments from here on. That’ll make everyone happy, right?
@Rollo My beef with the comments is that they too often veer off topic (ya really or rugby’s incessant posting of links) or degrade into blatant trolling. Keeping on-topic would help keep things on an even keel. So far moderation hasn’t been required. But a word to the wise would be sufficient. One thing to disagree and completely another to hijack the thread. Points been made. Let’s move on boys….quickly.
THere are people pushing back. Jordan Peterson is still doing a good job, never mind it’s not perfect. Canada’s leftoid New Democratic Party just blew a gut because he was invited to talk in some study commission by the gov’t of Canada. Trump wants to repell all gun control laws in states. The Carnivore diet movement is moving fast, and for these high-testosterone people, there’s no turning back. (BTW, my beard grows twice as fast on the carnivore diet. I remarked it to my MD and he said it’s testosterone from the meat, and from the metabolic effect). And it… Read more »
Rollo
“Maybe I’ll just disable all comments from here on. That’ll make everyone happy, right?”
Please wait until after Scribbs next rant, it’s sure to be epic lolz…
Well said, Palma.
Well this all reminds me of the operator of the matrix
https://bit.ly/2Jodp40
Turns out shit went down back in 1999 dating back to 2019
Marcus Chong had some serious balls to put this out.
Lose your Job or remain silent,
“I know about “what they do not what they say” but what boils down to “don’t touch me” is quite the shutdown.” Well done as regards all you did up until this point. However, your calibration is a little off, but you can fix this with more experience and experimentation to fill in the holes in your social understanding framework. In your context, “don’t touch me” was a test and an invitation to tease her, even if she didn’t consciously understand that herself. Keep focusing on improving and learning calibration and you’ll keep improving your game. So you don’t touch… Read more »