The Global Sexual Marketplace

Before I launch into today’s essay I want to throw out a few caveats. The first is a reminder of my long-time policy of dealing with issues of race, politics and religion; and that’s to say it’s my practice leave these topics to other blogs and other writers unless those topics cross over into intersexual dynamics that are pertinent to Red Pill awareness. I feel like I need make this clear as I’m going to get into issues of race and how intersexual relations are modified by these issues today. It’s always been my belief that the shared input and related experiences of men of all races, cultures and nationality is one of the greatest strengths of the Red Pill. So it’s with this in mind that I think we need to address some of these experiences.

What got me on to this topic was the video I’ve linked above here today. As most of you know I’m not a proponent of the idea of a “Black Pill”. That is the ‘black’ part of understanding the harsh realities of what Red Pill awareness opens men’s eyes to. Accepting the uglier nature of intersexual dynamics and how it plays into today’s sexual marketplace is often something that drives some men to a kind of despondency. It can be really depressing to have Red Pill awareness destroy your long-held Blue Pill ideals – particularly when those ideals helped to give you a sense of hope in spite of your instincts telling you something different.

When I was at the 21 Convention last October I had a discussion with Dr. Shawn Smith about the nature of the Blue Pill. His question to me was something like “Don’t you think that some guys need at least a little Blue Pill to keep them going?” I’m paraphrasing here, but I’ve actually touched on this in a few prior essays. In essence, it should follow that human beings can’t handle too much ‘reality’. This is why we look for escapisms and turn our otherwise rational minds to something like faith. The human mind tries to remain hopeful in the face of dire realities; which also follows evolutionarily. Those humans who stayed optimistic in the face of crushing reality didn’t off themselves in despair and consequently passed on their genes.

That’s the nuts & bolts of it (yes, I know there’s more to it), but is this a feature or a bug in today’s realities? Willfully choosing conscious ignorance while your rational mind knows the truth can lead to despondency and depression. It’s the observer effect – observing a process will change that process – only, you’re playing that game with yourself. So, is a little bit of our Blue Pill conditioning a good thing if it gives us a hope that keeps us alive?

I’d have to say no. Because once you unplug from the Matrix going back to that ignorance is really impossible. Something in your hindbrain knows the truth about the fantasy you construct for yourself. Again, it’s playing the observer effect on oneself. And it’s just this simple truth that makes a lot of guys who are unprepared for the anger and nihilism that comes from Red Pill disillusionment to come up with things like a ‘Black Pill’.

But this essay isn’t about dealing with that despondency. I’ve already written that essay in A New Hope. This essay is about one of those ugly truths that Red Pill men have to evolve new adaptations for. You see, there is no ‘Black Pill’ – there is only the space in between a man dealing with his despondency about a harsh Red Pill truth and his crossing the abyss to accepting that truth and doing something with that information to better his life.

Local vs Global SMP

Watch the video I linked here. It’s by Black Pill 101, a channel that specializes in exactly the harsh realities of Red Pill awareness I mentioned above. It doesn’t pull any punches and for that I’m in agreement with them. Men deserve the unvarnished truth; without it they founder. This video outlines the innate difficulties Asian men face in the Global Sexual Marketplace. One of the most common requests I get for counseling is from Asian or Indian men asking me to help them improve their game. Many of them believe I have some Game solution to their getting laid with an SMV 6-7 they know from work. Many of them think they might have a chance with a modest SMV 6 if they either had some specialized technique or they could simply earn another $250K annual salary.

I honestly feel for Asian/Indian men in this respect. When I read about Aziz Ansari’s #MeToo’ing I read with morbid fascination watching his story play out with another ‘cute’ (SMV6-7) white girl. This is the stereotypical interaction. With my Red Pill Lens I saw a girl conflicted by her attraction to Aziz’s social proof (celebrity) with her visceral reaction to becoming intimate with a guy she simply wasn’t all that aroused by. This is just my personal experience, but I’ve counseled Indian (and a few Asian) men who all share a very similar frustration – they really want to get with a white American girl but they are sexually invisible to the vast majority of them.

Black Pill 101 lays out this frustration from Asian men’s perspective. If you happen to be an Asian or Indian man I’d encourage you to add your own experiences in the comments here. But from my own interactions with these men the story revolves around their investment in locking down an average white woman. They aren’t looking to spin plates. They want an LTR with a girl and most of them tend to fixate on one they know from work or a friend of a friend. Maybe that lean towards monogamy is a cultural thing, but they all seem to set their sights on the average, seemingly attainable, American girl. And almost universally they are relegated to the ‘friend zone’ or the go ‘Black Pill’ in frustration.

I’m going to look at the bigger picture here while I try to answer why this is so commonly case. In our tribalist, hunter/gatherer ancestral past our naturalistic sexual marketplace was limited to what a very localized group of individuals had to offer. We might’ve lived in groups of 100-150 ‘natives’ of our tribe. In that tribe maybe there were 10-12 females who would’ve been potential breeding/pairing candidates for a young man.

There are general arousal cues that are universal to all humans across cultures. Natural cross-culture beauty standards is something that’s been widely studied since the mid seventies – globalized beauty standards and physical prowess cues – however, the context in which those cues are expressed are (were) buffered by whatever that localized sexual marketplace (SMP) can realistically manifest.

Example: Height in men something universally agreed on as attractive/arousing for women. This is a globalized attraction cue in women. Girls all over the world overwhelmingly prefer a man to be taller than they are. This is an evolved preference because the survival implications are that a taller man is (generally) an easily identifiable aspect of physical prowess. Height implies a capacity for protection, an imposed dominance, and is a signifier of presence in a male dominance hierarchy. Whether this is the actual case is irrelevant. All that matters is that a woman’s preference for tall men to breed and pair with.

The average height of a Filipino man is around 5′ 4″. Prior to the Spanish colonizing the Philippines all Filipino women knew of men was that 5′ 4″ man. And to the 4′ 11″ average Filipino woman that was attractive. A 5′ 6-7″ man was a giant by the local SMP standards.

But the global SMP standards are simply ‘taller men are more attractive’. So when the Spanish/Western peoples came to the island it introduced Filipinas to a new standard: the 5′ 7″ Spanish man. Now the globalized SMP began to modify the local SMP. Then, eventually, along came the first 6 foot tall Caucasian European guy. Then the first Black man, etc. Gradually the localized (previously tribally-defined) SMP to include the new possibilities of women breeding/pairing with men outside their own tribe.

Localized Contingencies

This is only one easy example of how a globalized standard of what defines the whole of the sexual marketplace redefines, and often replaces, the localized standard of attraction/arousal for women. There are many other ways this out-tribe influence introduces a new global standard for the SMP. This can include force as well as by invitation or local social norms shifting to accommodate the new global SMP. When a tribe is conquered by another it forcibly alters the other’s sexual marketplace standards (War Brides).

As such, societal standards shifted to favor social practices that defended the local SMP integrity of that tribe. This is nothing groundbreaking – tribalist humans have been creating social and religious contingencies to buffer agains women’s Hypergamy, and to solidify the integrity of the local SMP for millennia. And these norms affect both the men and the women of that culture.

Cultural norms that forbid intermarriage (really interbreeding) of women with out-tribe men are common, but there are also:

  • Prearranged Marriages
  • Guarding/Prioritizing Virginity
  • Buffering Against Hypergamy
  • Socially Enforced Monogamy

I should also add that there is the Samson Contingency which is a buffer set against (powerful) men taking out-tribe wives. It may’ve been acceptable to have sex with out-tribe women (rape or prostitution), but for the integrity of the tribe, that man was only to form lasting bonds (via marriage) from within that tribe. This kept vital resources within that tribe.

A Modern SMP

In an upcoming essay I’ll be exploring the deeper reasons why Blank-Slate Equalism is so difficult to purge from our present-day social order. However, I need to detail a bit of this now. We live in a feminine-primary social order (the Gynocracy), but without the Blank-Slate much of the preconception of it collapse. One reason Blank-Slate Equalism remains a social norm (despite a world of empirical proof that destroys it) is because it serves to disguise the ugly realities of a sexual marketplace defined by human evolution. Particularly so in an age of expanding SMP globalism. It’s not just culture, politics, ideology and socioeconomic considerations that are tied to globalization; a global scale sexual marketplace is following among all of this.

In the age of global mass communication our localized (tribal) SMPs are replaced with a global standard. That global standard destroys the old local SMPs, but it also selects-out the men who don’t measure up to its standards. This is something I think most MGTOWs and all Incels instinctively know: according to the global SMP selection criteria there are some men who will simply not be selected-for. If the Black Pill 101 video about how Asian women don’t select Asian men for mating opportunities is any indicator, I think Asian and Indian men are facing this head on today.

Now, I expect the first rebuttal to this proposition will be that the present, global SMP is a reflection of Westernized beauty standards and horribly distorted expectations. Asian/Indian men seem to want nothing to do with the native women who are ruthless in expressing that they want nothing to do with them. What globalized demographic is really left for these men? The same might be said about socially inept white men seeking an easier sexual marketplace in Asian women. All of this is simple deductive adaptations men will naturally resort to when it comes to solving the problems of sex and reproduction.

I’m totally accepting that there is a societal influence in all of this. However, I think the incentives to look into the opportunities that a larger global SMP offers is still based on Darwinistic principles. Even Western romanticism is still founded upon natural female arousal cues that define the larger SMP. The global SMP is rooted in the naturalistic, evolved (not socialized) elements that trigger arousal, incentivize parental investment and play off women’s dualistic sexual strategies (Alpha Seed/Beta Need).

The Global Social Order

Finally, I want to point out that while our expanding globalization has given rise to a global SMP, that expansion is rooted in Gynocentrism. Since the time of the Sexual Revolution an unfettered, unconstrained Hypergamy has dictated this global sexual marketplace. The world-scale SMP is driven by women’s prime-directives, not men’s. As women are afforded more authority to direct society, their reproductive interests are what defines the global SMP. And all unchecked and unbalanced by any male interests. This is important to consider when we see the old tribalist, local SMPs decay to extinction. The checks and balances on Hypergamy that existed in the past were the creations of a smaller localized SMP. One that was familiar with the risks and results of allowing men and women of that particular tribe to reproduced without thought to the integrity of the tribe.

This is why Blank-Slate Equalism, as big a lie as it is, is so necessary to maintaining the unfettered Hypergamy that the global SMP is based on. Without its social constructionism, without its presumption of coequal agency, the Gynocentric power base is replaced with conventional, evolved gender norms that would favor men’s influence in the global SMP. Gynocentrism needs Blank-Slate Equalism to disguise its authority and influence. Notions of ‘Equal Value’ and social constructionism are needed to cover the ugly Darwinsim that unchecked Hypergamy thrives in.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

437 comments on “The Global Sexual Marketplace

  1. Vietnamese-American here. I can see how the average asian guy has trouble in the dating world. Most are very beta and supplicating to women.

    I never had any problems dating asians, whites, hispanics, and even blacks. Perhaps it’s because I never saw my race as a handicap. I’ve dated models and everything in between and in my experience, the hottest asians usually stick to their race. It’s usually the ugly ones that have white fetishes.

    Just my humble opinion/experience.

  2. HI Rollo, the Indians that you probably encounter in the US may look like Indians but most of them are Americans in their thoughts and values. They try to dissociate themselves from their heritage just like the Vietnamese-American in the comment section. The urban upper class India has a vast number of people who are unaware of their own culture mostly because our country wants to be “secular”. They blindly follow the narratives of the Western media. They don’t take pride being the citizens of India. They’re filled with inferiority complex just like the Congress leaders who ruled over India for most part after the independence. How can you expect “alpha” men to be born out of such a system? However, there’s no dearth of such people in the rural India which is not yet corrupted by the western narrative about India. Pretty certain white girls are getting laid in most tourist places by Street smart men and the beta westernised nerd boy thinks going to America will get him white pussy. Unfortunately, pua in India isn’t mainstream yet. You’ll see for yourself within a decade. Indian culture is red pill by default.

  3. I had an Asian woman once tell me that there are two types of Asian women. Ones that only date white guys and ones that secretly wish they could date white guys. We were with a group of like 4 of her Asian friends who all just kind of giggled and didn’t disagree. She did however marry an Asian guy….at the age of 36.

    I think your post is very accurate but I think there is going to be some major blowback from it for women. It’s pretty much common knowledge now that women have inflated egos or unrealistic standards and I’m starting to see a growing number of 33+ year old single women who are incredibly unhappy and I think we are entering an age that’s going to have large groups of older bitter single women. This is of course the reaction to men dropping out or at least not dating seriously in the current environment.

  4. Do you see the global trend towards nationalism to be in part a response to this issue? Trump, Brexit, the yellow jackets in France etc.

    Basically, is the horribly unbalanced sexual market place driving men towards regaining more control over their countries from the more global power structure in an effort to correct the SMP? Mostly subconsciously, of course.

  5. I think my previous comment didn’t post. I’m a Punjabi Jat, we’re North Indians. We’re pretty big tall lighter-skinned people. I’m 6′ 200lbs, I think I’m about average for other guys in my community. I notice a lot of the younger boys are much bigger.

    I’ve always dated white girls, 8s and 9s. Never had any problems picking up girls since junior year of HS. I only know of one Jat girl who married a white guy. They mostly think white men are effeminate, which is true for middle/upper class white men. They aren’t interested in dating working class white men. A few months ago there was a Jat girl that married a black guy, but she was a post-wall 33 yo or something. The wedding pic was going around whatsapp groups as a joke. It was notable because nobody had ever seen or heard of anything like that before.

    Longterm, I’m sticking with Jat girls or maybe a white girl if she’s exceptional. I’ve never been interested in other races or types of Indians. I’m not a racist or anything, but I think it’d be a mistake to mix my genes with some other type of race. I don’t want to have regrets when I look at my children. I like my people the way we are.

  6. How about focus on women of your own ethnic and cultural background and avoid unnecessary tension in the future. Sure, they can game white women into relationships, but that would mean having to game through extra resistance and leaving that luggage of potential dissatisfaction in there.

    The world is beautiful in its diversity, and it’s best to keep it diverse. I’m from a country with a relatively homogeneous population and I’m never even sexually attracted to women from other races, this all seems like a problem made up by people who are focusing on the wrong things in their lives.

  7. You elicit the experience of Indian men, so I’ll give mine here. It spans a decade. Game-wise it is a rags-to-riches story.

    I have Indian heritage and grew up in mostly white areas. When I was 20 years old, I had an SMV of 2 / 10. I was 6’1″, 150lbs, but extremely ugly. I had a huge nose, small yellow teeth, a receded chin. Furthermore, I had a personality that was shaped by my experience of always being on the margins of my social environment. I was literally invisible to my classmates; I’d always have to introduce myself two or three times to people before they could remember my name. I was just that inconsequential and forgettable.

    I will admit that I was suicidally depressed at this time as well. My education was interrupted several times by botched suicide attempts and stays in psychiatric hospitals.

    I stumbled onto the Red Pill (Roosh, Roissy, and Rollo Tomassi) at about 23 and went through a yearlong phase of hope that PUA tactics, would help me lose my virginity, get a girlfriend, and live out some kind of Blue Pill dream. I got a new wardrobe, learned a few openers. It was fun but it didn’t lead to any kind of success. I was 25 and still hadn’t even kissed a girl.

    The Red Pill didn’t sink in when I first read your material. It only sank in after I realized that no amount of game could mitigate my low SMV.

    At 25, I went Black Pill for a short time. I took a good, long hard look at myself and my prospects as a mate. I was tall (6’2″ by then), but my ugliness had to be dealt with. I either had to get plastic surgery or resign myself to a life of backpage whores.

    I got my nose done and a chin implant. I’d also gotten a bunch of tattoos by then, started lifting, and had a passable bad-boy thing going on. My SMV was now about 5-6. That’s when I lost my virginity and had my first couple girlfriends. I also made some new friends, and for the first time in my life I had some social status.

    I was getting girls, but it took effort. I didn’t want it to take effort. I underwent a revision rhinoplasty and I got porcelain veneers. I got more tattoos. I worked out like a maniac.

    I also got my career in order: after I’ve completed my current educational endeavor by December, I’ll be making six-figures. In four years, it’ll be making $180,000+ annually.

    I’m still Indian. I still have dark brown skin. But now, I am what some consider handsome; I am big and tough (6’2″, 220lbs lifter’s build, and covered in tattoos). I’m also on my way to being rich. I have status within my social groups.

    Here are pics of the last 5 women I’ve fucked, with faces blocked out. All of them are pretty white girls in their early 20’s, and all were from Tinder.

    https://i.imgur.com/A43EWPE.png
    https://i.imgur.com/N9Lzq9T.png
    https://i.imgur.com/LSWXecl.png
    https://i.imgur.com/Fg5Cc52.png
    https://i.imgur.com/eDdwgl7.jpg

    Thanks to you and Jordan Peterson (I know you don’t like him, Rollo), I have frame, I have game, and I have the know how to get what I want. The Red Pill is part of me now, and I know it’s an unavoidable part of nature.

  8. @Rollo: I’m not sure I’m 100% on board with the final conclusion that this SMP globalisation is “rooted in gynocentrism”. It is clear that Hypergamy “benefits” from choosing from a larger pool, but conversely some men (the top %) also benefit greatly from it.

    The global SMP I think is also not the main goal but a by product of globalization in general. It is about power in more general terms.
    Or do you see this as an instance as “everything is about sex – except sex, sex is about power”?

  9. Hi Rollo,
    Another great essay but I have to agree with dang in the comments section. I’m a British Indian. Born in the U.K. What I’ve learnt is not acting or behaving in the typical Indian way helps. I basically act and behave the way I want and don’t let any culture modify my world. This has a marked improvement of me in the “SMP”. I’m also 5’8″ and not even good looking but in my head I’m 6’4″ and gorgeous. This insane confidence really helps. I’m married to a white women for 20 years. She’s still attractive and fit. I still game women 20 years younger because it’s fun. I go to the gym and look and fell better then men half my age. I don’t and never have had a dad bod and again that helps. So in summary the asian/Indian men need to get to define their own behaviours, mind and body and they will improve their chances.

  10. Don’t know if it’s just a personal thing but as a tall muscular European man I’m just not attracted to Asian women at all!

    The only other race I’m attracted to are Latina women , Asian women are sexually invisible to me so I’m wondering if the white guys who do select Asian women are doing so out of necessity because of their own SMV or if it’s out of genuine attraction?

    For me it’s white or Latina women along with some mixed race women only.
    Most Asian women are just outright strange looking with boyish body shapes and no hips being the average physique.
    Chinese women especially are generally very unattractive.

    Sure there are rare exceptions some mixed race women are stunning.

    Everybody just wants the best deal they can get and there’s nothing wrong with that.

    Historically reproduction rates have been as skewed as high as 17:1 bias female to Male.

    With the new sexual revolution and fempowerment we are seeing a change back towards “survival of the fittest “ mating strategy being employed by females.

    And with world population over 7 billion and limited resources I welcome this potential improvement in the human species.

    If you are unattractive or physically weak or unhealthy it’s better that you don’t get a chance to pass your shitty genes on.

    Life is not or ever was Fair! and being a snowflake won’t change this fact.

    If you are unattractive you still get to spend an average 70+ years on this beautiful planet and you can focus your resources and time on other things that bring you happiness instead of wasting your time and resources on a woman/women who just see you as an ATM machine, that’s still a pretty sweet deal.

    Some people are not meant to reproduce it’s only been a fairly recent development that most people have got to reproduce and looking around me at the results the experiment has failed.

  11. Good essay Rollo. Awful video.

    I have a lot of thoughts, as this subject has been broached forever in the Manosphere in some form or the other, meaning it is severely limited in scope due to the population of the sphere.

    But I’m old so I have to reflect in order to make my points ( hint: no studies, just experience and observations over an entire lifetime from varying environments ).

    I will way this much though, I agree that the biggest issue is the overwhelming gynocentricity in the ” global ” smp. Men need to understand this. Growing up as I did in a ” vibrant ” 😁 part of the country, I’ve grown up with Indian and Asian men and women. Why, some of my best friends…..

    Social media, videos, studies – these things combine to push narratives that may or may not represent reality when widely applied. I think that’s where a problem comes in for many men. The commentor above strikes a true does – in countries where colonization in some form has taken place, a normal balance becomes upset, and part of that balance is the smp. That’s about power and nothing more, but many men will interpret it as something else, something that says something negative about them as a man.

    History has hundreds of examples, but the West tends to focus on specific, narrowed ones. The moors in Spain and Italy are never spoken of. Not a component of western history/ideology.

    With the spread of gynocracy/Hypergamy unfettered, there comes an awful imbalance. It’s the ” tail wagging the dog ” syndrome. A majority of women regardless of race have visceral reactions towards masculinity. Problem is a bunch of other cues ( wealth/status ) are being mistaken for masculinity by those that have overtaken the narrative.

    It doesn’t change the basic facts though.

  12. @Playdontpay: “Some people are not meant to reproduce it’s only been a fairly recent development that most people have got to reproduce and looking around me at the results the experiment has failed.”

    So you are happy for fellow men of other races to take the black pill, live 70+ years masturbating to porn? And leave it to the “tall muscular European man” to rape and pillage the planet as done in the last 1000 years?

    Who are you to decide what is best for the “gene pool”? Leave it to the women. And every man of every race, no matter how attractive or unattractive, should fight for his chance to pass on his genes.

    At the moment it looks terrible for the “tall muscular European man”, the white genes will disappear by the year 2150. Do you think this is a good outcome? Is this something Asian / Indian Men should feel happy about?

  13. Lol, this has great potential to give rise to good back and forth, but the handicap is ” Manosphere “, as it has it’s own dictates and norms that don’t tolerate other/opposing viewpoints. ” studies show/everybody knows ” blunts more honest discussion due to narrowed beliefs combined with massive ego investment.

    Rollo, what have you done?😂

  14. @ incubus

    I never said it was for me to decide who should pass on their genes! women do that I’m merely commenting on it.

    White people ( currently only about 7% of the world population) May well all but disappear as a genetically distinct race by 2150 but until then the best of them will be selected to reproduce with the most attractive females of all races that they can attract.

    As long as the population becomes more attractive and stronger/ healthier it doesn’t really matter as the desire dynamic of sexual selection is an unstoppable force.

    What I’m saying is that I’m ok with the new dynamic of the best genes being sought for reproduction vs the beta bucks woman for every man model that allows most people to reproduce.
    I reiterate looking around that experiment has failed.

    Why do I have to worry about unattractive betas having to wack off to porn? If they have a problem with it they should do something about it.

    You need to understand WOMEN HATE BETAS in fact they hate them so much that they would prefer to work soul destroying jobs to support themselves than attach themselves to a Beta provider that wants to fuck them and impregnate them with his shitty beta genetics.

    In the past they mostly didn’t have this option and had to attach themselves to a provider Male in order to survive.
    Fempowerment and vastly increased employment opportunities along with big daddy government has removed the need for beta Male support in most cases.

    This is the RED PILL in a nutshell ! Women will work full time jobs they hate and endure shitty commutes in preference to fucking a beta Male, it was always like this but now it’s out there for us all to see, they’ve made their preferences Overt but you still don’t get it and many of your yearn for a return to 1950’s style Beta male control society!

    Women have NOT changed but society has, they will work all their life for the CHANCE of locking down an Alpha in preference to tolerating your beta presence and demands.

    Think about that before you yearn for the return of times past.

    I’m guessing 80% of men have never experienced desire sex and this shows in that you are all clamouring for a return to society that gave you “duty sex” while she pined for the alphas she couldn’t have.

    Bow down before the gods of biomechanics or live a life of delusion.

  15. “Indians but most of them are Americans in their thoughts and values. ”

    High grade horse shit.

    I work with many wealthy Indians. They all date whites if possible and then marry trad-con Indian style.

    India and it’s people have looong been known as the most racially exclusive culture world wide. It’s a in-tribal love. Fuck if the laws now forbid certain social practices there.

    You think US black discrimination is bad? Google racism India.

    No matter, India had a brief run of economic success lately….but they’re flaming out IRT because of long standing out-group hatred where it counts.

    They’re having difficulty being a first class nation with third class culture, thinking.

  16. Part of the red pill is accepting that the SMP has some winners and mostly losers — that’s how it works. Be the former and not the latter.

    Race is mostly a buffer. There are Asian guys (see this thread for example) who do fine even in places like the US, where the racial stratification is fairly intense. It all has to do with the individual, what he brings to the table, inner Game and frame, and so on. Most Asian guys aren’t doing very well with white girls in the US because they are beta, not because they are Asian — Asians –both East and South — in the US at least are overwhelmingly beta, and this is unattractive, particularly to white women who are at the top of the totem pole in the US in terms of the SMP. If they can overcome their beta-ness, they can do fine in the SMP — if not, not. Really that simple.

    Having said that, I live in an area with a LOT of Asians, both South (India) and East (Korean), and the 1st generation children of immigrants of both. Almost all of these date/marry in their own races, and this is true of the ones who are born in the US (i.e., children of immigrants, not immigrants themselves), despite being, in most cases, extremely beta. Their marriage rates seem pretty high. But … not with white girls, generally speaking.

    In general how race plays into the SMP varies a lot by country and, even within a country, by region/locality. A part of this has to do with how they fit in the culture — for example, certainly Indians in the UK are much more integrated into British society than the Indians living in suburban Washington DC are (not much at all). Another part of it has to do with the characteristics of the local market and how prevalent interracial pairings are.

    In most of the US, until quite recently interracial pairings were uncommon (exceptions are places like California, South Florida). Uncommon as in noticeable when you saw them. Nowadays in most of the more populated metropolitan areas it is much more common — it’s still only a small portion of couples (less than 20%), but it’s not so uncommon as to be generally noticeable. However, some pairings are much more common than others, which indicates that some races do “better” in the interracial dating SMP than others do. In most of the US, the folks who are least commonly seen in interracial pairings are Asian men (East and South alike) and black women, while the ones who are most often seen in interracial pairings are white men (typically with Asian women, almost always East Asians), white women (typically with black men), black men (typically with white women). Latinx are hard to classify because some are very white and some are very mestizo in appearance — the former kind of blend into interracial dating in a way very similar to how white men and women do, while the latter tend to be very underrepresented in the world of interracial dating, and tend to date other mestizos.

    In different countries, of course, this will be different. And even in some parts of the US it is different (eg, California, where interracial dating is more common than anywhere else in the US).

  17. If only every man read and understood the implications of the facts this essay points out. I sadly see a future where men and women will only become more isolated and divided. I believe a women’s opinion of herself and where she fits into the world will become only more delusional and inflated due to the gynocentric world we live.

  18. @Playdontpay:

    I am well aware of the intersexual dynamics and female sexual preferences. But what is the whole fucking point of the Manosphere and this site in particular? To unplug the AFCs. Rollo does a fine job at doing that. Men who struggle with getting with women, come here to learn and seek guidance. But every time, there is one fool who will put these men down by saying “you have never experienced desire sex, you are nothing, roll over and die, it is good for the gene pool”. Waiting for Scribb and spew his hatred.

    Everyone who has come here has some point struggled with women. There are no natural Alpha Males who have ever looked into Rollo’s work. They don’t need to.

    None of the readers here were swinging dicks and slaying pussy straight out their mother’s cunts. They were all AFCs at some point. It does not mean they should have rolled over and surrendered to the “gods of biomechanics”.

    I believe that if I could change myself, then any man with the required effort and desire can change himself. As long as a Man is breathing, he can change his circumstances around. This is the burden of performance and there is no escape from it.

  19. Focusing on Asian and Indian men are we? Hoping to cultivate what you think may be a more exploitable market niche are you?

  20. “This whole situation is crazy,” Daniel Zamora told the boy’s father. “I’ve never heard of anything like this in my entire life. I understand as a parent you have to be livid and hurt. As a husband, I am distraught. I’m hurt.”

    Zamora’s husband pleaded with the boy’s parents to settle this without calling the police. He begged them to forgive her. He tried to defend her, saying she was a good teacher who would do anything to help her students.”

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley/2019/02/27/brittany-zamora-public-records-detail-goodyear-teacher-sexual-assault-allegations-student/2980023002/

    https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/02/26/PPHX/00b132a1-9642-4c22-8b92-d3b1d924a319-Set_4_-_GPD_0386.JPG?width=1280

  21. I am from middle Asia and genetically we have Asian and European mixed look. Some people see me as Asian, some see me as Brazilian and other see me as Afghan.
    Anyways, I want to mention that girls from different background perceive me differently.
    It is easy for me to pick up an Asian, Indian or American chicks. I also see that Russian and Ukrainian chicks attracted to me as well. All of that from my experiences.

    However, it is harder for me pick up Turkish, Armenian or middle Eastern girls. These girls have some certain preferences. They don’t find me that attractive.

    For example, One Turkish girl told me that she only dates with guys who have a thick beard. I don’t have a full beard so I felt kinda rejected. Even tho I am 6’2 and will build.

    In oppose, girls in Russian and Ukraine won’t be interred in Tuskish or middle eastern type of guys. They would prefer their local men.

    If an American guy come to any post Soviet union county, he will be disapponted. he won’t get a chick here unless he has a strong game. All chick from those courtiers will be attracted more to their local guys.

    I also notice that many white nerd type of guys date with ugly Asian chicks. It doesn’t indicate that Asian girls are all crazy about white guys. There some physical aspect where white guys have advantages compare to Asian guys (for example height).

    In conclusion, I wanna say that smv is what matter the most. There some ethical preferences but they are not so significant.
    There always will be – Chad, Chang, Abdul, Tyron and Enrique. Increase Smv and try to be one of those.

  22. “There are no natural Alpha Males who have ever looked into Rollo’s work. They don’t need to.”

    Incubus,

    No snark here. I’d like your opinion.

    What’s your definition of Alpha Male?

    Do you believe once Alpha, always Alpha?

  23. @Rollo

    overall, this is a great OP, but i have some quibbles…lol… bc i’m gettin’ a big whiff of the FI in play here… (but only just a little from you…lol… but’s that’s probably an artifact of the focus of your analysis as much as anything… bc what i see you analyzing is the process the FI uses to push on those indian/asian men…)

    trigger warning! – obnoxiously pedantic ‘sperg analysis inbound…lol

    for me, the ‘black pill’ is straight up FI organic defense against the acceptance of the RP… to maintain the status quo of BP bullsh*t social conditioning… the purpose of which (the black pill) is to GET men to wallow in their despondency together (get them stuck in the anger/grieving phase of accepting the RP)…

    instead of giving them hope (which you note… and i would argue is the main benefit of RP understanding) and encouraging them to take some action to change their lives for the better… bc those men that WOULD ‘wallow’ are the beta/omega genetics that the FI wants to keep out of the AF/AS data base… and which are not dependent on tallness OR asian-o-sity…lol

    the FI is cunning and pervasive…

    every time i see this sh*t (which gets labelled ‘black pill’) it has two qualities…

    first, there is a focus on the negative aspects of the SMP as it affects men who are socially conditioned/expected to be on the lower part of the SMV bell curve… this is DEFINED by the FI/BP social conditioning…

    ‘looks matter, yo!’…lol (do we really need to rehash that whole ‘looks don’t matter’ discussion?…lol)

    and just to state this for the millionth time – girls (in this case the FI) try to tell you sh*t that’s NOT true ALL the time…

    second, and most importantly, there is NO attempt at providing a solution… it’s just

    “hey, everybody!!! here’s a RP ‘truth’… [insert type of men] can’t get laid!!!… bc [insert appropriate FI value as the ‘reason’]… now let’s all of us ‘low SMV men’ wallow in our despondency together”…

    misery loves company and all that…

    Black Pill 101 lays out this frustration from Asian men’s perspective. If you happen to be an Asian or Indian man I’d encourage you to add your own experiences in the comments here.

    yes, please do comment… don’t let anything i’m pointing out stop you from doing that… every man here wants the best for you… not kidding…

    But from my own interactions with these men the story revolves around their investment in locking down an average white woman. They aren’t looking to spin plates. They want an LTR with a girl and most of them tend to fixate on one they know from work or a friend of a friend. Maybe that lean towards monogamy is a cultural thing, but they all seem to set their sights on the average, seemingly attainable, American girl. And almost universally they are relegated to the ‘friend zone’ or the go ‘Black Pill’ in frustration.

    do they even TRM, bro?…lol… that^^^ behavior is the definition of a beta orbiter… everything about that^^ just screams ‘chasing’…or ‘pedestal’… even i can smell it through the computer screen… and the girl’s hindbrain is going to react to that with slotting them into either ‘beta orbiter’ or omega (no value to her at all)… that study wasn’t ‘wrong’ that beta behavior costs men about a $250k deficit in ‘leagues’… girls really do hate that sh*t…

    an example –

    When I read about Aziz Ansari’s #MeToo’ing I read with morbid fascination watching his story play out with another ‘cute’ (SMV6-7) white girl. This is the stereotypical interaction. With my Red Pill Lens I saw a girl conflicted by her attraction to Aziz’s social proof (celebrity) with her visceral reaction to becoming intimate with a guy she simply wasn’t all that aroused by.

    aziz acted like a beta/omega stooge… watching him was like watching a star trek show where david spade was beamed up and then his complete opposite (aziz) was also beamed up…lol… her visceral reaction wasn’t bc of his ‘indian-o-sity’, it was bc of his submissive attitude… THAT’s why she was ‘anti-aroused’…lol

    and now we get to critical mass theory… if every asian or indian dude that a girl meets has the quality of acting like a beta orbiter in the extreme in conformity to FI/social conditioning expectations (and it doesn’t matter the reason behind his actions – genetic pre-disposition or cultural), her hindbrain will lead to her automatically dismiss him as a potential mate… but she will slot him into beta orbiter status… bc resources…

    which will also confirm to her hindbrain (in conformity with that FI value) that ALL asian or indian dudes are not potential mates… this is bc, as you point out, hypergamy is on the loose, and there is no systemic outside force that will balance the scale to minimize the effects of those beta behaviors… but that is also true for white dudes over 6 feet…lol…

    i still stand behind my assertion that 90% of all men have the potential to put themselves in that top 20% (now moving to 10%) of ‘attractive’ men… to the girl standing in front of him right now… it just takes some faith and a sh*t load of actual effort/work/action… which takes place mostly about 2 SD outside his comfort zone…

    note – this ‘global SMP’ idea was the same thing that YaReally kept pushing about out in the ‘real life dating scene world’ with girls and their phones/instagram/etc making it harder to game them bc their hindbrains thought they had more real options, like to celebrities, etc…

    this sh*t really is hard to get a handle on… thanks for putting in so much effort… i know personally that you are saving lives and making the world a better place…

    good luck!

  24. Great topic.

    The Samson Contingency has a wild back story. As judge and warrior, Samson could have had any nice Jewish girl. Why go outside? Samson knew the Philistines were too strong to fight directly, and would take revenge on the Jews for his attacks. But if he was among them and had a reason to fight with some Philistines, then it would be a family feud among Philistines and the rest of the Jews would be safe from counter attack. So he married Delilah to start trouble, like when they burned down his father in law’s place and he slaughtered them.

    Samson’s parents did not approve, Delilah’s parents did not approve. He converted her to Judaism, but she still was solidly for the Philistines. Our sages teach she was extremely manipulative and abusive to get his secrets. She was probably BPD, Biblical Philistine Disorder. His downfall to her manipulation is a great lesson in why not to marry outside the tribe.

  25. As distance runners around the world trained harder and smarter in response to Kenyan dominance, so did the Kenyans.

    The race didn’t get easier, it got faster.

  26. Hi Rollo,

    I am an international student studying my final and 4th year in New Orleans. I would say for me, what I noticed is that Indians and Asians in general have low SMV- mainly because of the way they are raised. I was completely ignored when I entered as a freshman. Taking up the chad philosophy, did not change my life but at the same time I got more pussy than I would have if I had not changed.

    Of course, women at the end of the day prefer white women racially (especially seen with Asian women and other low SMV POC, except blacks). However, from what I am seeing now is that white women are now open to dating asian/indian men than they would have been before.(Sorry true love doesnt exist)

    Apart from this, the k!kes in media have done their best to preserve jewish/israel heritage and mock/exploit every other culture. I am intrigued now how the k!kies will react since Indians are becoming the new minority model.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

  27. Hey “Rollo”,

    You should market yourself to the Asian “lady boys”. You could include “palmsailer” and her sister Roses Palm.

  28. “…. Muh genes”

    Eye Area

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9kH15-u_hnM/maxresdefault.jpg

    Lower Third

    Height

    https://i.imgur.com/0JI1CwC.jpg

    Frame

    https://i.redd.it/zjfsngcs5ya11.png

    You have all these, and you will always be above the looks threshold, and can fuck pretty much any girl you want (depending if you’re not socially retarded).

    If you don’t have these, then its a numbers game. Going for girls who you pass their looks threshold. Some girls do actually like old guys, asian guys, bald guys, etc.,

  29. Rollo obviously fails to understand the black/red paradigm correctly. Black pill is deeply entrenched in looks theory which in turn is based on genetic build and predisposition. Basically extreme luck of the draw in terms of what you’ll be able to achieve in life in terms of sex or social fulfillment. You can only ascend so much. And this is all factoring in that you find the right tools, resources and insights to begin with.

  30. Orson

    “Rollo obviously fails to understand the black/red paradigm correctly. Black pill is deeply entrenched in looks theory which in turn is based on genetic build and predisposition. Basically extreme luck of the draw in terms of what you’ll be able to achieve in life in terms of sex or social fulfillment. You can only ascend so much. And this is all factoring in that you find the right tools, resources and insights to begin with.

    Rollo is writing in his Red Pill Frame. What you are saying he fails to understand your Black Pill Frame.

    Extreme luck of the draw is not common. Normally there are Bell Curve or Pareto distributions. No one is saying one man is not fucked if he ended up on the short end of the tails. Even then he’s not fucked, he just has to muster his resources and work harder to achieve what he wants to achieve. Or he could make his necessities a virtue.

    You can only ascend so much. Fixed it for you.

    The tools, resources and insights are right there for the taking. Do you even Manosphere? But then, there’s that pesky problem of Ascending, via work and developing talent and mastery.

    This one comment stood out from yesterday in the past thread:

    ollieoxenfree1
    @Ehintellect

    “Not using women at all for whatever reason is neglecting yourself. Again it’ll take buffers to justify your neglect by overvaluing your accomplishments elsewhere calling it good…but something’s missing.”

    Equating a woman’s worth to be more than anything a man might accomplish by himself.

    Is this not pedastalling by another name?

    What the hell is that?

    Women/feminine are different from Men/masculine. The complementary opposites complement each other. They add a potential ton of value. The feminine adds value to the masculine. Feminine women are great resources of value for masculine males.

    Don’t get me started or I’ll paste short chapters of The Way of the Superior man. These things are so self evident, they don’t need to be debated. Black Pill or low level MGTOW aren’t going to win any debates here because of other Red Pill interests.

  31. “Is this not pedastalling by another name.”

    I hadn’t seen your question, Ollie.

    SJF covered it but I’ll add:

    Women have a purpose in parallel alignment with men’s purpose that men can not naturally achieve alone.

    In this example I’m running the gamut of human experience here:

    Say I have a framer’s hammer. If I use the framer’s for metal fabrication it’s poor form.

    If I use one hammer for all applications because my insecurities of using another, that’s pedestalization.

    Women have form, fit and function that only they provide. They are available to you in service of your needs. Under, over or misuse women reflects poorly on the user in some way.

    Now if you could only go to Lowe’s with the right capital and pick up women as easy as a hammer…..no wait, you could!

    I just realized something. Women are just, like……everywhere.

    Mind blown…..

  32. @SJF

    “Women/feminine are different from Men/masculine.”

    Women aren’t submissive nor do they defer to the masculine when required. Neither do they support the work a man does, even if it’s with her in mind and she’s the main beneficiary. Men for their part have become caricatures of themselves. More woman than man in many respects.

    If women were as you portray them here, the red pill (as a philosophy) wouldn’t exist.

    The rest of your post relies on this faulty premise. Hence why it isn’t included.

  33. “Willfully choosing conscious ignorance while your rational mind knows the truth can lead to despondency and depression. ” It can, but not in all cases. One can choose to simply move forward into chaos (and what a shitshow it is). Many of us simply must move forward.

    The concept, “Willfully choosing conscious ignorance while your rational mind knows the truth” could perhaps be applied to life beyond SMV (assuming there is life beyond the sexual market place… ?!). Rollo: your overlay of evolutionary psychology over our domestic and global culture has indeed been a life’s work.

  34. Rollo,

    There is a huge difference between an Indian man from India, and a 2nd gen one born in the West.

    The former has almost zero SMV, and is just about the greatest lost cause around (outside of white soyboy manginas).

    The latter is usually 4-6 inches taller and completely Westernized in accent and attire. A lot of these men are 6-feet-plus, and marry white girls who are not just 6-7s, but 8s or higher.

    They are almost like two separate ethnic groups, even if people from the former and latter groups are often cousins.

  35. “…muh genes, lol”

    Bill Murray, Joan Lunden, Jennie Lewis

    Charles Bronson, Jill Ireland

    Henry Kissinger, Jill St. John

    Tim Allen, Laura Deibel

    “the hottest asians usually stick to their race”

    try hard defending asian male smv

    I’d be classified as white and I married an asian beauty and asian chicks were always flirting with me when I had a lowly part time position working with them.

    There was a guy who had been chasing my wife…owned his own million dollar home–no mortgage…promised to buy the future Mrs. Gamer her own house…set up her parents in comfort…Hitler Youth-level good looks…blonde-haired, blue-eyed handsome man…formerly married to a drop-dead beauty of a model…the future Mrs. Gamer ignored him and chose me…now it’s true that I have movie star good looks…kind of like Tim Allen…

    My style is more like Charles Bronson than Bill Murray.

  36. @SJF

    “Even then he’s not fucked, he just has to muster his resources and work harder to achieve what he wants to achieve”

    “You can only ascend so much” – this is the truth.

    No one here is saying if you’re not born with male model tier looks you will never fuck attractive girls (maybe that’s the viewpoint of certain black pillers. But that’s retarded lol).

    What we are talking about, is what is realistically achievable for the non-genetic lottery winner men with genetic difficencies, who’ve ascended via looksmaxxing/gamemaxxing (the guys who’ve answered your “so what are you gonna do about it?” Question):

    @Aleknovy via AaronSleazy’s blog:

    “There are things they can do, like build actual status, go to the gym, etc etc… And all of those things are hard work. They can become guys who can at least occasionally get laid despite not being chads. It’s not realistic they can become pussy slayers and bang bitches left and right, but to say they can’t get laid at all until the jane is a 35 year old looking to settle is pure defeatism. In other words the truth is somewhere in the middle”

    My own post on the threshold:

    https://nextasf.com/forum/nextasf/night-game/332441-the-fuck-threshold

  37. Ollie you are still cracking me up.

    The red pill is recognition and understanding.

    Lack of rp and masculinity is what’s the cause of what you see/understand.

    I don’t see the same things you do.

    There’s evidently a sound reason for that.

  38. “If women were as you portray them here, the red pill (as a philosophy) wouldn’t exist.”

    Ok. Then, for you, it’s over. I’m trying not to be a broken record but whatever…

    RP is an as-certain-as-humanly-possible observation of the intersexual dynamic. It is not the dynamic. The more accurate our understanding of the observation, the more certain the outcome of our actions based on that observation.

    Anyways…

    Redefine life, women, submission anyway you please, Ollie. No one’s stopping you. Your results equal your clarity.

    If AWALT, then AWA subject to game. The field conditions change, but the game remains the same.

    I don’t know you too well and hope you’d reconsider your assumptions of women qua women. Guys here are prone to chicken little exaggerating the futility of it all.

    You write as you live, defeated before you start.

    Is it true your life and “life” is as bleak as you describe? Serious question.

    If, and that’s a big if, you could have a relationship with a woman today, what would it look like?

  39. @Playdontpay

    Your naivete concerning social dynamics and history is showing.

    Recycling the nomenclature of mainstays like the old Whiskey and Heartiste will earn you points in the manosphere – and I’m sure a significant contingent of the readership willingly nods along with the rah-rah-rah bluster of your post – but they ignore how detrimental this shift will be to the long-term soundness of the modern world.

    It’s a woman’s sexual imperative to select for the best genes within the context of small communities, short-term orientation, and constant emotional engagement. And what traits and behaviors do they select for? Physical beauty, charisma, spontaneity and unpredictability, high status, emotional drama, the ability to incite fear of abandonment. They don’t select for intelligence (unless it leads to material benefit and status), loyalty, agreeable behavior, hard work, blah blah blah. In fact some old studies concluded that intelligence correlates negatively with promiscuity.

    Every functional civilization that has enjoyed long-term stability and expansion, from the glory days of ancient Rome to the Byzantine empire and Heian Japan to Han China, cemented their power by incentivizing beta males to participate in the system. First and foremost this meant guaranteeing and ensuring they would have wives and children in exchange for pledging their loyalty to the state. Once the prospect of sex and children are satisfied then the society can tackle the issues of respect, adulation for accomplishment, brotherhood, etc. Otherwise self-interest became the main prerogative. This manifests in cycles of transient tribes under leaders who promised glory and wealth.

    We don’t need to ponder the fruits of the “new dynamic” you so enthusiastically promote. They still exist in many areas of the world. The rural Chinese villages where “walking marriage” remains the primary mode of pair bonding, polygamous villages in Sudan, and the rapidly deteriorating underbelly of Britain all meet this criteria. They share another common feature: each and every one can be adequately described as “unequivocal shithole”. In the first example men contribute nothing to raising children (that is done by the putative mothers and their families) and retreat to their own male-exclusive villages where they fight among each other for intragroup dominance. The second is defined by a few alphas owning 5-6 wives of the highest caliber, relatively speaking; these men are inevitably lazy and contribute nothing to their communities other than amassing personal wealth. They are mirrored by roving gangs of immiserated betas who gangrape isolated girls and apathetic betas who won’t lift a finger to stop them. The latter retains some markings of culture in-between those weekends when slags notoriously vomit in the streets and bang strangers in alleyways (ending up miserable in the end of course).

    It’s no surprise these areas are so destitute. They share similar traits to the warring Mongol tribes prior to unification under Genghis Khan, where aspiring husbands could snatch future brides away on horseback without threat of retaliation. There were plenty of “alphas” in that world – it was a requirement to survive – and zero long-term orientation or foresight. Too busy dicking around and fighting over scraps to aspire to greater things. FFS it took one of the most remarkable military leaders in the world to make them realize they could copy masonry and siege weapon schematics from the Chinese! Once he bit the dust they slowly became absorbed by the very cultures they conquered at their apex. It’s a coincidence that the Mongol Empire also fractured in large part due to Genghis Khan’s wives squabbling for supremacy through their sons.

    Any society where women follow the dual mating strategy without inhibition (i.e. where alphas rule the roost and the AF/BB dynamic dominates across all levels of society) is inexorably doomed to become an impoverished backwater. Infrastructure is neglected and eventually deteriorates as the prerequisite workforce has no motivation to improve basic services; in some cases, bureaucratic bloat and red tape grow to grotesque extremes to protect sinecures. Balkanization within the military becomes the de facto state – the current state of the U.S. military serves as a good analog. Intellectual pursuits take a backseat: scientists, mathematicians, computer programmers, etc. aren’t known for being suave and muscular. Until the last century it took deliberate subsidization by the ruling class to give them a whiff of respectability. The only exception is where the ruling government outsources those functions or employs a massive slave force as a substitute (slavery in the South, German barbarians in Rome and Byzantium, Turkish Janissaries). And the track record on that workaround is…bad. Like the advent of the RP, men will change their behavior to whatever gets them pussy. When it comes to the middle and lower classes expect less finesse and self-improvement, more flagrant violation of norms and physical aggression. All of these sum up Heian Japan’s downfall.

    Most men can’t and won’t take the Red Pill to the point where it will improve their prospects with women. Even if every man magically accomplished this feat, Pareto distribution dictates women’s proclivities would simply readjust to the new 20%. And neither position tackles the problem that the features of women’s sexual desire are antithetical to what created modern society. Indulging them creates a world with a few winners and mostly losers. Whether we like it or not, said losers are the backbone of society. Harnessing their power en masse is what drives most of the quotidian pleasures we take for granted.

  40. @ inimitable NEET

    Wow. I learned a lot from you today. You got your antroplogy down and shit in order.

    One question:

    When?

  41. “Asian man” is too generic a term. Filipino men for example tend to be much more ZFG with women than say Chinese men who tend to supplicate and be more beta.

    Some of the reasons for this across the board Beta-ness include being raised by women which tends to make them much more feminized, lack of physical activities, a cultural emphasis on being a “provider” and an over-abundance of men in China which has lead to women being more selective at a time when feminism is taking over and women are being more independent.

    This is where having a solid understanding of the Red Pill and game are vital to success. The women I meet are in their 20’s, independent and craving a more…in their words “masculine” man. This means they value experience and are open to being gamed which their Asian sexual counter-parts lack for the reasons I cite above.

  42. @NEET

    Physical beauty, charisma, spontaneity and unpredictability, high status, emotional drama, the ability to incite fear of abandonment.

    I see some of this, but even more, I see men selected for masculinity.

    enforcement of boundaries
    non-pedestalization of women
    self-sufficiency
    self-confidence
    emotional self-control
    emotional security
    security in their masculinity and other aspects of their identity

    Women test for these things as well as attributing value to men for charisma and status. When men fail these tests, women move to your list.

    Even if every man magically accomplished this feat, Pareto distribution dictates women’s proclivities would simply readjust to the new 20%.

    This is very speculative and controversial. Women have a baseline for masculinity just like men have a baseline for female appearance. Sometimes they will go below their baseline depending on special circumstances. If the bulk of men suddenly became more masculine, women would be happy with Mr. Good Enough for the long term because he would be plenty masculine and other women would find him appealing. But since T-levels have dropped way down over the decades, women tend to be dissatisfied with the current crop of young men. If T-levels are so low that sperm count goes in the toilet, women will select against men with low T-levels. It’s biology.

  43. @asdgamer

    They’re complementary criteria. You’re describing the intrinsic behaviorial qualities while I’m describing the byproducts. When you establish personal boundaries and maintain frame during any test, it incites multiple emotions: frustration, exasperation, admiration, so on. When you’re self-sufficient you can afford to not be a supplicating bitch.

    My point was the qualities that define a beta, which women aren’t attracted to, are also the ones required to build and maintain any sovereign government larger than the smallest city-state. The natural drive, competitiveness, and status-consciousness that defines alphas has to be sublimated into endeavors (sports, war) that don’t threat the society’s stability. Otherwise you get Germania during the reign of Julius and Augustus Caesar: small tribes defined by constant in-fighting that can barely maintain a coalition.

    While both sexes have a baseline required for arousal, they also evaluate SMV relative to the environment. The Kyoto court during the Heian period makes modern-day urban life seem like the rowdiest football locker. The ideal aristocrat composed poems, obsessed over perfume and other aesthetic forms of presentations, cried at the sight of a sublime sunrise, and couldn’t stand to walk on rough gravel outside the capital. All of this was presented as desirable in the private journals of women recovered from the period. Their world was also rife with sexual intrigue and lots of cheating. By contrast classic masculine qualities were considered the unflattering traits of parochial peasants in the rural provinces; it wasn’t coincidence the court outsourced its military duties to the warlords of said areas.

    Now that might be the exception to rival all exceptions, but I think it’s a valid anecdote on how a woman’s imperative is molded by expectations as well as biology. The former type of man was the one that enjoyed all the social benefits associated with arousal: preselection, status, confidence in the righteousness of such behavior, social acuity. It didn’t matter that he was effeminate as hell as long as it was validated within that cloistered world. This was typical of nobility in European courts as well.

    Sure, testosterone dropping all around the world over the last 50 years matters. I don’t buy it is the decisive reason though. Women are dissatisfied in that we are reverting back to biological baselines for arousal without any social norms to influence their decisions. They are brought up to entitled and delusional with regards to who they deserve to have as partners and availability of said partners. Men are also raised and implicitly taught to be more feminine in most facets of their everyday lives. All of this contributes to modern dysfunction and makes the Red Pill disproportionally valuable compared to the past.

  44. “The Kyoto court during the Heian period makes modern-day urban life seem like the rowdiest football locker. The ideal aristocrat composed poems, obsessed over perfume and other aesthetic forms of presentations, cried at the sight of a sublime sunrise, and . . .”

    . . . had to ceed power to the Kamakura bakufu.

  45. @kfg Even a century before 1185, the Fujiwaras were being phased out by the Minamoto and Taira families. When you sacrifice your standing army then spit on the replacements for being rubes, the more ambitious ones will never forget the insult. Especially when you exclaim “Muh delicate feet!” when you have to walk through the suburbs.

  46. Nice post Rollo, it’s amazing how an increase in the mobility of the world’s population has had such a profound effect on various aspects of humanity.

  47. “No one ever admits to being wrong.”

    Ollie,

    Nice pressure flip dodge, young Padawan.

    If you’re not creating you’re static or worse.

    Question for you: Do women have value?

  48. “As such, societal standards shifted to favor social practices that defended the local SMP integrity of that tribe. This is nothing groundbreaking – tribalist humans have been creating social and religious contingencies to buffer againt’s women’s Hypergamy, and to solidify the integrity of the local SMP for millennia. And these norms affect both the men and the women of that culture.”
    https://bit.ly/2H75Dty
    Even the bible had predicted the trouble with Not being aware of your culture and Sin being rooted in what hurts a civil discourse in resource and pair bonding.

  49. Rollo I don’t know if you’ll see this but I thought a response is worth my while. My focus is on your second paragraph of the Canyon that has to be crossed to get from blue pill to red pill.

    In my younger days I was always a bit of a shit stirrer known in the current year as a troll. As a consequence when various individuals such as Carey Roberts – http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roberts , Marc Rudov and a few others produced content pissing on feminism and equality in general I was open minded to their musings but not accepting enough of them to take the plunge.

    The plunge for me occurred when my youngest brother had his wife walk out on him. This is when I took the plunge. I already was aware of the courts propensity to side with the women and I was just becoming red pill aware. It was at this point in time I came across The Spearhead by W.F. Price. I nearly didn’t go in because of all the accusations of hate speech and misogyny being thrown at it. And this was my own canyon of black pillness that I had to cross.

    After all I’m a nice guy who cares about women and I wanted them to know that I cared about them. And this is where I believe most men are. This is the canyon that most men have to cross. The price being that one has to care more about the truth than that of the women.

    Now it was my wife who, a few years earlier, unwittingly built the bridge that I needed to cross this canyon. I was on the phone at the time talking to her and she was angrily denouncing me for some personality attribute that I possessed then and probably still currently have. After I put the phone down I was thinking to myself “Well what was so wrong about that attribute? It’s one I’m personally happy to have”.

    Once I had decided that I would do nothing about something I was happy to be I decided right then and there to listen critically to anything she had to say about me and cheerfully ignore it if it was something I was content with and it lined up with my reading of the bible.

    So anyhow this is the bridge I needed to cross the canyon into the red pill of The Spearhead. The name of this bridge was “I don’t care about your feelings and opinions snowflake” and from that point I dived right into the rabbit hole. And boy! Does that rabbit hole go deep.

    Now this left me with a problem. As I began reading I knew exactly where I stood and it was as a fresh pentagenarian who had spent the previous fifty odd years marinating in blue pill. Trust me when I tell you that when you’ve spent the prior fifty odd years marinating in some ideology or belief and acting accordingly that to find out that you’re wrong is a problem. The problem for me was that as a blue piller waking up to reality I knew that it was going to take a long time to push the blue pill out of me. It was not attitude that was the problem. My prior habit of being open minded to politically correct ideas meant that there was no emotional barrier for me to surmount. It was simply the knowledge to the gargantuan size of the task of pushing out every fragment of the blue pill that I found so daunting. And it was the statement attributed to Confucius that paraphrased goes “The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step”. It’s been nearly ten years now since finding the red pill and even now I still struggle with the blue pill.

    One example of my struggle with the blue pill – a couple of years after I embarked on this journey my wife and I were travelling through the city and a traffic light went amber. She said to me “Just go through it”. And stupid me, who knew it would be red before I reached it, sailed right on through. Now as it turned out at the time there were no cops or cameras or other traffic around that intersection but it made me angry with myself for letting a woman tell me what to do. A woman who would take no responsibility should there have been a camera, cop or accident as a consequence.

    Upon reflection I resolved that I would not let a woman, especially my wife, tell me to do something like that ever again. I would listen but I would judge what was said against my standard and decide accordingly.

    So when will I determine I have reached my goal of de-bluepilling myself? I would say that it will be when it becomes second nature to me to use red pill arguments effectively whenever women roll out the gynocentrism.

    There was one small blessing in diving into the red pill rabbit hole when I did. At that time my sons were teenagers and when I started sharing all this information with them it was somewhat difficult for them at the time. They were telling my wife that “We think dad hates women”. However their attitude changed a lot once they began dealing with girls themselves. By the time they were getting into their 20’s they were thanking me for telling them all these things. They would see things happen and go “Yeah! Dad told us about this”. And this very evening they are doing their own red pill research.

    So while I came late into the red pill I was able to cross that canyon and for my boys being much younger the canyon was much smaller and easier to cross for them. The point of this whole spiel – you might be an older person but if you get at your young ones, sons, nephews, grandsons, brothers etc. it will be much easier for them to cross that canyon and they will most likely thank you for opening their eyes to the reality.

  50. This is why Blank-Slate Equalism, as big a lie as it is, is so necessary to maintaining the unfettered Hypergamy that the global SMP is based on.

    One would suppose that evolution, if it were actually happening, would select for attributes that favored reproduction and increasing population. However, that’s not what we’re seeing. Rather, it seems that some other factor is in play other than evolution which is aimed at reducing both reproduction rates and population.

    When you look at what is celebrated and encouraged by the dominant cultural narrative in play from Japan to the United States, you see that masculine achievements and behavior are encouraged, but only in a particular context–when women achieve and behave like men. Feminine achievements (having babies and happy homes) and behavior (submission to their mates) are discouraged by the narrative. Men are encouraged to be more like women–more sensitive, more communicative about their feelings, etc.

    So what is the outcome of the narrative? Men behave more like women and women behave more like men. The aim is confusion of sexual attributes, which results in lower sexual appeal and lower reproduction rates and lower population. Your “Equalism” is really confusion of sexual attributes. The end result of the narrative in another sense is second- and third-rate women and second- and third-rate men.

    If Hypergamy were really the main factor pushing changes to society, we’d see men encouraged to be more masculine and the top men would be better than they are today.

  51. “If Hypergamy were really the main factor pushing changes to society, we’d see men encouraged to be more masculine and the top men would be better than they are today.”

    Well said. Sex is a tool, a condition of something else. There is more to our story than evo-bio.

  52. Videos like the one posted by commenter Harry are part and parcel of what the problems facing young ( and in some cases older ) men today.

    This whole ” what women find attractive ” thing is 100% in a feminine frame. With this kind of fem-drumbeat running in the background, it serves to obfuscate and deflect from the fact that men shouldn’t listen to the narrative coming from women’s mouths, but should pay attention to what they actually do .

    The idea that Instagram and Twitter and tinder and whatever latest app..😂😂 are the new gods of correct information is insane, but if a man can be convinced to go along with these things instead of his own abilities, he will monkey dance to a feminine song.

    Personally, as a ” black man ” ( fwiw, I don’t care to bring up race and avoid it as it only blurs understanding mostly, but the sphere finds it as an important subject somehow so it becomes imperative to speak up from time to time against basically false narratives put forth as undeniable truths ), much of what the stated ” statistics ” show are things I haven’t experienced a while lot in life. Some, but not enough to be statistically relevant.

    Garbage data in, garbage results out.

    I support men in having preferences and in living life as they see fit 100%. I don’t have any particular ” racial preference ” because interactions bear out that they are all girls. LOl, I don’t repeatedly way this because it’s catchy or something, and if a man is red pilled this should be apparent outside of personal preference or femcentric pronouncements.

    Anecdotal shit ahead: The first time I was banned over at Roosh’s was because I attempted to push back on a statement roosh had made about Asian women finding black men disgusting. There would be no other narrative allowed – garbage data in. LOl, I’d even created a photobucket account and downloaded a dozen pictures to post up at roosh’s as a counterpoInt, but he wasn’t having any of it.

    This is a part of the problem.

    One of my favorite and most rational commenters Novaseeker hit the nail on the head. Ideally men would from strong opinions based on as wide a base of experience as they can muster. 10 chicks in your hometown of bumblefuck USA with an Asian population of 7 should never count as reliable data to be trumpeted. Ditto for all similar areas used to compile ” data “. Show me data from larger populations. The ” one guy/girl ” shit isn’t reliable. Living somewhere with miniscule minority population provides bad data. How could it be correct? Think about it.

    I know, it will not ever change and I’m resigned to this being the case. It’s just an odd thing to witness, but it’s very instructive and part of the feminization of society being wholesaled wordwide. ” women say ” is something most men would do well to basically ignore.

    Men are not women.

  53. If men and women can’t get the evo-bio correct, then we quickly suffer the law of decreasing returns beyond fucking which we apparently can’t do now with PUA stacks and elaborate declarations of intent.

    It’s not about sex. It’s about owning you, your potential, your meaning.

    Fortunately, understanding this is half the battle avoiding the crush.

  54. @Blax

    This whole ” what women find attractive ” thing is 100% in a feminine frame.

    “What women find attractive” is in a biological frame.

    “What women say that they find attractive” is in a feminine frame and is a nuclear shit test.

    I support men in having preferences and in living life as they see fit 100%.

    Yep, but if they want kids, then they have to operate in a biological frame somehow. And if they want to see their kids do well and have kids of their own, it behooves them to operate in a familial context which is governed by their masculine frame.

    (talking all framey and feces)

    Ideally men would from strong opinions based on as wide a base of experience as they can muster.

    does this include the experience of other men? Is this why we have field reports? to collect data?

    to some extent data accuracy depends on the observational ability of the observer, right?

    Bear in mind that I have been trained to be an accurate observer.

    @EI

    Selection and reproduction are always occurring to some extent, but their importance is vastly overrated in average circumstances Hypergamy is always operating on the current set of men/women, but it doesn’t drive the narrative. We can’t blame our current mess on biology. Maybe we could say that biological selection is operating at some level on our species’ equalist-fucktardism which is confusing sexual attributes and reducing sex appeal.

  55. “We can’t blame our current mess on biology. Maybe we could say that biological selection is operating at some level on our species’ equalist-fucktardism which is confusing sexual attributes and reducing sex appeal.”

    Nice!

    And the fucktardism is a means for someone else’s end.

    RP is a more accurate measurement of natural order and when acted upon a deevolution from higher order dysfunction based upon lower order BP or blackpill mismanagement returning men and women into a sustainable sexual practice. At the point lower order life is corrected, higher order life may again devolop successfully.

    Life in that order, skip no steps.

    This never was about sex for me. I always had lots of sex and yet was still a half zombie-half sentient. Fellas, it was horrible.

    Ollie,

    There. I admit I was living a lie. I hope you do too and I’d like to be there to shake your hand when you do.

  56. Just FYI, Dilbert gets around to the Gillette ad …

    https://dilbert.com/

    Lego 2 also had some interesting alpha/beta/blue pill messaging as gentle naive Emmet tries to come to terms with his masculinity

  57. @kfg

    As distance runners around the world trained harder and smarter in response to Kenyan dominance, so did the Kenyans.

    The race didn’t get easier, it got faster.

    but every man that REALLY wants to get faster now has a much better understanding of how to do that for himself, right?… he still has to put in the work… and dudes that are actually doing THAT are still in the very small minority…

    i still stand by my assertion that 90% of all men have the POTENTIAL to build themselves into runners that compete and end up in the top 10-20% of their local races/marathons…lol… regardless of what those ‘kenyan’s’ are doing….lol

    And while they may be lagging behind in technologies such as paving, steel and glass construction, medicine, telecommunications, etc., their fancy dress technology is rather advanced:

    you know, as well as i do, that technological progress is determined by what is important to the ruling culture…lol

    The acid in the fermentation/hydrolization of tamari/soy sauce destroys proestrogen. It destroys gluten as well.

    i didn’t know this… thanks for the info…

    does it break down all that RoundUp ™ too?…lol

    good luck!

  58. Blax,

    “fwiw, I don’t care to bring up race and avoid it as it only blurs understanding mostly, but the sphere finds it as an important subject somehow…”

    Why do you get into the sphere’s frame?

    Why play that game?

    Oh yeah. You get off on throwing your race around as if it gives you cred. You need that external victimhood validation.

    Only you care about your blackishness as much as you do.

    You willingly flip the sphere’s script back at yourself. Why even? Why here at TRM? Why not rise above race? Isn’t that what you’ve been hammering on about for years?

    Fuck looks, get frame.

  59. Asd

    No, what I’m talking about isn’t in any biological frame. I’m talking about the concentration on skewed data. I’m talking about what most women will profess from their pie holes vs what they will actually do or have done.

    Men trying to rationally understand the motivations might chalk it up to ” biology “, but in current society as it’s configured, that’s not what’s happening – hence all of the ” over 6 foot tall, handsome, big dick, 6 figure earning, sense of humor, love animals ” Bullshit that get constantly repeated.

    It’s a con job.

    It’s exacerbated by young people retreating into their lairs and only interacting via the internet. I can’t imagine what my sexual life would’ve been if 1) I’d only listened to what women said, 2) didn’t interact with women face to face to destroy any bullshit.

    Identifying female nonsense as biological is missing the true nature of women. It’ll work in favor of some men, other men will suffer greatly – most unnecessarily. The assumption is that all women will benefit😂. This is only true to the extent that men accept and play along.

    Biologically it’s simple, women are naturally attracted to masculinity. Guys shaving their bodies and plucking their eyebrows and having a ” hair care regiment ” blunts masculinity and is 100% in a woman’s frame. Social media induced adhd is creating a false narrative that a savvy make should be able to smash through by being ” different ” ( where different is defined as being a fully masculine male). You gotta be willing to leave all of those chicks living in fantasy- it’s all about me- land right where they are.

    But thirst is real. Pedestalizing is real. Desperation to be accepted is real.

    So bitches be winning.

    And guys? Their reward for the guy in?

    Some will get pussy.😐 many will not. At least not in the new feminine based description of banging the beautiful people. A dizzying world of fakeness. By both sexes.

    And women are good with this arrangement. Most of them anyway, because wider access. MEn? Highest suicide rates and mass murder. Who’s getting the shitty end of the stick in this deal?

  60. Eh

    My lifelong motto is ” I’m in this world, but not of it “. I can only be in my own frame.

    I go to work in a game corporate world almost every day, but my mind isn’t” corporate ” . I can perform my job expertly without becoming my job.

    Float in, float back out.😁

  61. “i still stand by my assertion that 90% of all men have the POTENTIAL to build themselves into runners that compete and end up in the top 10-20% of their local races/marathons…”

    My own assertion, made here a number of times, is that it is quite easy for a man in the belly of the bell curve to get into the top 10% of the entire population at nearly anything subject to development, because so few even bother to try.

    “you know, as well as i do, that technological progress is determined by what is important to the ruling culture…lol”

    I hope you know as well as I do that that was my point and that you were just making my implicit point more explicit for the peanut gallery.

    “does it break down all that RoundUp ™ too?”

    Good question.

  62. Blax,

    I’m with you.

    Hey man, you remind me of my brother in law….who happens to be black. 15 years my senior.

    Humble roots, athletic, trident pin recipient (Me: You see any resistance? Him: One guy gave us trouble.), IT wizard even. Oh and an accomplished musician to boot!

    He’s much more than advertised.

    Anyhow, 25 years back I asked him how he’d prefer to be seen. He patiently looked at me and said: Just a human being.

    It may sound trite to some but I’m too far along to play hip cynic.

    What a lesson. I’m glad I asked as then I stopped my fuckery about race young.

    I had about 5 years there in my life where I experienced race from all sides and today refuse to even go there, I liked these black guys and they liked me but it’d kill me when they’d line up based on race and often the first judgement I’d need to overcome was that I was silver spooned because I am white. It was a time humor and hard work and acceptance and peace went a loooong way for my safety and enjoyment too.

    I’m in this business where they want me to be aware of it, as you mentioned, from a corporate diversity CYA angle and engage others, change my thinking of the human condition, with that in mind.

    I do the in-service. I don’t let that shit anywhere near my heart.

  63. Oh one last thing.

    My brother in law found it too difficult to be active in his family. They viewed his success with suspicion.

    In-tribal, out-tribal.

  64. The dude who wrote “Sex God Method” is a 5’6″ Asian dude, and the SimplePickup guys on YouTube are Asian and Indian who show that having the right attitude goes a long way with SMV.

    Game (combined with self improvement activities like lifting, dressing better, working on being your own MPoO) can trump female in-group preferences if it’s good enough, even for Asians and Indians.

    I’d love to hear Asian and Indian dudes’ takes on these two resources.

  65. @The Inimitable NEET

    Most men can’t and won’t take the Red Pill to the point where it will improve their prospects with women.

    true… but this not a failing of the RP knowledge… or possibilities based thereon…

    Even if every man magically accomplished this feat, Pareto distribution dictates women’s proclivities would simply readjust to the new 20%.

    how’s that FI treatin’ ya?…lol…

    bc that^^^ idea is going to lead you to not even try to actually fix the problem… with the only solution that would make it possible to actually work… the solution is that ‘every man’ does in fact get into that top 20%… to the girl that counts… the one in front of him right now… and i know male dog brains are probably going to choke on that idea…lol… but there it is…

    And neither position tackles the problem that the features of women’s sexual desire are antithetical to what created modern society.

    ‘women’s sexual desires’ are not the problem…lol… girls are just girls… they are not magical nor mystical… the problem is that vast majority of men lack their own MPoO … and all that flows downstream from that…

    it is entirely possible to tackle the problem with RP… and @Rollo is doing yeoman’s service to that end…

    you are looking at the big picture forest and missing all those beta ‘trees’…lol… the only thing that men need to learn is how women actually work… and how to use that knowledge to get girls… (as you point out, men will do whatever they need to to get p*ssy…lol)… and then apply that knowledge in situ… all any man has to be able to do to get ‘desire sex’ is to be the highest value man available to the woman that is right in front of him right now… and that includes his gf/wife…

    i keep asserting this bc it’s true… it is entirely possible for 90%+ of all men to be an alpha stud ‘enough’ to get a girl and keep her… WITH desire sex… it’s not gonna happen this year though (see below)…lol… but with current tech info distribution, now is the best time in history for that^^^ to actually happen…

    the big disconnect that most men have in doing this analysis, is that they don’t seem to understand that cats are not dogs…lol…

    The Kyoto court during the Heian period makes modern-day urban life seem like the rowdiest football locker. The ideal aristocrat composed poems, obsessed over perfume and other aesthetic forms of presentations, cried at the sight of a sublime sunrise, and couldn’t stand to walk on rough gravel outside the capital.

    i met some dudes at the coffee shop last week that were JUST like this…lol…

    All of this was presented as desirable in the private journals of women recovered from the period. Their world was also rife with sexual intrigue and lots of cheating.

    that just tells me those girls were not satisfied…lol… and using sex for beta provisioning/transactional interests…

    this also illustrates YaReally’s point that you only have to be 0.000001% ‘higher value’ that anybody else that is right in front of the girl in situ to pull her…lol

    By contrast classic masculine qualities were considered the unflattering traits of parochial peasants in the rural provinces; it wasn’t coincidence the court outsourced its military duties to the warlords of said areas.

    did any of those^^^ girls have access to any of those ‘unflattering’ peasants?…lol… i’m guessing not…

    and did any of those kyoto court dudes use gillette?…lol… apparently ‘toxic masculinity’ goes waaaay back…lol

    good luck!

  66. @kfg

    My own assertion, made here a number of times, is that it is quite easy for a man in the belly of the bell curve to get into the top 10% of the entire population at nearly anything subject to development, because so few even bother to try.

    [high five!!!]

    lol…

    “you know, as well as i do, that technological progress is determined by what is important to the ruling culture…lol”

    I hope you know as well as I do that that was my point and that you were just making my implicit point more explicit for the peanut gallery.

    ya… but i still thinks it’s funny/retarded (both meanings) what some ruling cultures chose/choose to focus on… lol

    good luck!

  67. @kfg

    Dr. Helen pointed me to this:

    the new APA guidelines are just one more goose-step on the long march through the institutions… i wonder what the over/under is on the date of system failure?…

    good luck!

  68. HABD, Novaseeker, Dang Hua etc made the points I want to make but I just wanted to add as an Indian-origin man, they are absolutely right.

    In many years, many approaches and many lays, the only variable I found which made a difference to my results was my state of mind and attitude – which is another way of saying my Game skills. Not how I dressed, not whether I shaved or not, wore glasses vs contacts, nothing (actually, strictly speaking there was one other factor – I started noticing a dramatic increase in “ambient” IOIs from women after I turned 30, which had no behavioural trigger that I am aware of and I’m still not sure of the cause – it wasn’t just women hitting the wall wanting to settle down targeting me – it was even college girls on public transport and in bars etc giving stronger IOIs – I didn’t start lifting or dressing differently or anything – this was when I was still in my LTR when I turned 30, I didn’t know about Red Pill or anything).

    Skin colour for Game purposes is similar to height (or muscles, or looks). It contributes to an initial impression about you (correlated to the stereotype about your race in that particular society), but it is functionally irrelevant if you apply Game.

    Note that I said functionally irrelevant – it does matter right at the start because it will help define the woman’s initial impression of you. If you don’t have good Game, then the first impression will remain the only impression. If you engage the woman’s emotions with good Game she won’t give a fvck what your body fat percentage is, your biceps size or your skin colour is.

    But it is functionally irrelevant because (a) you can’t change it (height, skin colour, whatever); and (b) it doesn’t matter if you apply Game properly, so the optimal strategy is to proceed as if it doesn’t matter.

    The only concrete point I would say in terms of race is “don’t be the stereotype [of your race]”. Blackdragon had some good posts on this a while ago. If you’re a black guy, don’t be “gangsta” or whatever the most crass mainstream media stereotype of your race is. If you’re Indian-origin don’t be that dude from Big Bang Theory or Apu (note: even that doesn’t matter if your Game is good, but not conforming to stereotype will help with the initial impression – in fact, once I’ve established attraction and dominance, I often play-act being a nerdy programmer on dates – mostly because I find it hilarious and can’t stop laughing to myself, but it’s also a great contrast/push-pull maneuver with girls and they usually chase me when I do it – but of course you need to establish the attraction and dominance first).

    If you’re a white guy in any Western country, you’re more of a “blank slate” so you have a bit more freedom – just have a strong identity of some kind and try not to devolve into into “generic white guy”.

    (YaReally addressed a lot this in detail in many places in his Archive as well as in The Great Looks Debate of 2016 – note that Scray, who evolved into a super-slayer was a skinny, average looking 5’4″ mixed race guy – he did get jacked, but that was later after he started to have some Game success).

    For what its worth, I have slept with many, many white chicks (as well as all other races). Even in my beta days, my LTR was a white chick (who incidentally told me in our early days she didn’t usually find Indian guys attractive, but she liked me).

    I have had a number of (white) girls be shocked to find out my family origins are from India because they have the kind of stereotypes in their head about Indian men that Rollo writes about here and I am nothing like that (in my attitude). One of them (this was when I was a student for a while in the Bay Area which is filled with nerdy Indian programmer types) literally told me seriously “I live near a lot of Indian families and see a lot of Indian men around – you cannot be Indian, you are nothing like them” even though I look very obviously Indian, although I don’t act like the guy from Big Bang Theory. That’s just how her brain coped with the cognitive dissonance of liking me.

    West Indian Archie said it best in a comment here on TRM: why is it that Indian-origin guys from Guyana/the Caribbean get laid and pull chicks no problem but guys who are from (or whose families are from) South Asia directly struggle so much? The genes and looks are no different – it’s just the Caribbean Indian guys come from a different culture – one which doesn’t disproportionately emphasize beta traits (there are betas and alphas everywhere of course, but those cultures emphasize beta traits disproportionately).

    PS – I can’t even remember the last time I mentioned I’m Indian-origin here. It’s because it is literally irrelevant in my head. It’s like mentioning the weather outside the club in an FR – not relevant to the purpose at hand.

  69. Newly

    I’d like to think that I’ve seen the whole ” getting women ” thing from both sides in some fashion. When I was in my early teens and built like a stop sign, I still got laid when I wanted to. So I’m leery of that whole ” threshold of looks ” to a greater extent.

    Dressing better? When I was beanpole thin, I never liked the way clothes fit on me. Everything was either too tight or too loose. Everything had to be taken in at the tailor shop. It never dawned on me to lift and maximize my potential in order to get chicks. What I did grasp was that even more chicks could be had through bulletproof Game.

    Imo, guys would rather buffer and be lazy and look for some magic potion or mystical combination of things they can do.😂

    My journey from 140 pounds to 220 pounds was all about me and from what I saw, it didn’t make a huge difference wrt to women really. Yes, they ” ooohhhh’d and aaahhhh’d ” more vocally, but I gavee zero fucks about their validation. It meant nothing.

    So my trope remains the same – improve yourself for yourself and be the best version of yourself you are capable of. If you want an ” in ” that’s useful with females, up your Game.

    But even more importantly, don’t ever let others set bars and standards for you as a.man. Especially not females. The whole notion that a man cannot have satisfying sex life because of his race is irrational at best. Game is the great field leveller.

    First though, you gotta understand and believe.

  70. @theasdgamer

    If Hypergamy were really the main factor pushing changes to society, we’d see men encouraged to be more masculine and the top men would be better than they are today.

    unless encouraging men to be more girlish was like, you know, a sh*t test…lol…

    good luck!

  71. I hope you know as well as I do that that was my point and that you were just making my implicit point more explicit for the peanut gallery.

    True wisdom is in hiding wisdom so that the peanut gallery doesn’t get it.

    “…the words of the wise, and their riddles”

  72. Men trying to rationally understand the motivations might chalk it up to ” biology “, but in current society as it’s configured, that’s not what’s happening – hence all of the ” over 6 foot tall, handsome, big dick, 6 figure earning, sense of humor, love animals ” Bullshit that get constantly repeated.

    Bullshit indeed, but most of this has nothing to do with biological sexual attraction. Masculinity is attractive to women, but height, facial structure, dark eyelashes, money, humor, sensitivity have nothing to do with masculinity. In fact, insensitivity pings women as more masculine. Big dick is a side effect of lots of testosterone activity, as are bushy eyebrows and heavy brows, so women do ping off of these masculine attributes. However, they aren’t necessary for men to be masculine and attractive to women.

    When I was talking about a biological sexual frame, I was talking about what actually attracts women to men and vice versa–not the bullshit that women and society say, which is in a feminine frame. It’s easy for men to hamster and say that being attractive to women is moving into their frame, but that’s just horseshit. Being attractive to women moves you into a biological, sexual frame, not a feminine frame. We don’t want to enable black pill hamstering. The idea that men becoming more masculine is somehow submitting to a feminine frame is so laughable.

  73. @Blax

    The whole notion that a man cannot have satisfying sex life because of his race is irrational at best. Game is the great field leveller.

    Even without much game, masculinity works wonders in terms of being attractive to women. Being playful–i.e. “running game”–makes life more fun…and masculine game is different from feminine game…and having masculine game is…well…masculine

  74. @blax

    “I still got laid when I wanted to. So I’m leery of that whole ” threshold of looks ” to a greater extent”.

    You were always handsome, mate (thank your parents for that). aka you’ve always lived life above the threshold. Just because you don’t recognize something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    And being skinny really isn’t a death sentence for attracting young teens.

    back when I was growing up, I remember teen girls obsessing over these skinny teens:

    http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Zac+Efron+Nick+Jonas+Premiere+Warner+Bros+iq8iVzn1aROl.jpg

    not these guys:

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Gt7fhnTV0Rc/maxresdefault.jpg

    “Yes, they ” ooohhhh’d and aaahhhh’d ” more vocally, but I gavee zero fucks about their validation. It meant nothing.”

    But it made the game a whole lot easier tho.

    Just see what its done for Michael B. Jordan’s career for example.

  75. @Blax, I agree about clothes not defining a dude. Long story short, I believe that if ANY dude, whether Asian, Indian, Gamma, etc wants to be a Black Pill or MGTOW, there should be an entry requirement first.

    If the dude has:
    * Worked on being his mental point of origin.
    *Studied the basics of game and intersexual dynamics.
    *Worked out
    *Started something like BJJ.
    *Learned a trade
    * Learned how to garden/permaculture
    * learned an instrument
    *learned to fix equipment
    *reads a varied set of books of all topics (ex. The Medici Effect, but really any book on any topic)
    *Practices game
    *Works on being self sufficient
    *works on not being financially dependent on the system and debt financing
    *INSERT ALL OTHER THINGS YOU CAN THINK OF TO BETTER YOURSELF.

    Only after the dude has checked off a good amount of the items and STILL has failed to find his masculine self, then and only then should they be allowed to join a group like Black Pill or MGTOW. But if they really tried a good portion of these activities, they would realize there’s no need to join such a group.

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