Incels

Back in the summer of 2014 I wrote two essays outlining the minds of Incels. The first was The Severing and the second was Owed Sex. I wrote these essays in the wake of the Eliot Rodger shooting and the sudden emergence of the term ‘red pill’ into the popular lexicon. Eliot had a lot of manifesto style youtube videos as well as a fairly detailed written manifesto he published online just prior to his shooting. His frustration was palpable in these videos. Here was a kid who fit the profile of an AFC, an average frustrated chump. AFC is an old school PUA term used to describe average guys who were confused by intersexual dynamics, usually as a result of their life long Blue Pill conditioning. I used to unironically use AFC to describe a guy who I’d probably refer to as a Blue Pill Beta in my work today, but in light of the most recent “Incel attack” in Toronto last month I’m wondering if AFC isn’t a better descriptor for these guys.

I’m doing a bit of review here because I want to put the perspective on time in these incidents. Alek Minnasian, the Toronto truck driving killer, another AFC, reportedly idolized Eliot Rodger. In and of itself this is probably to be expected from a self-avowed Incel, but what motivates these guys. That’s what the mainstream media wants to know, right? And literally hundreds of bloggers and social pundits seem to all have an expert knowledge about the motives of Incels. Weeks after the Toronto killings there are people I’ve never read before who are convinced that they know all about these “losers”. For the most part, the mainstream media (and I include online pundits in this category now) want ‘crazy’. Even the guys who are ostensibly part of the manosphere know that crazy gets eyeballs on the screen, and nothing is crazier than a ‘killer Incell’.

Incels are the low hanging fruit for pretty much anyone on either side of the ideological spectrum. I can read any number of feminists wanting to link Incels to ‘red pill radicalization’ and how they are ‘gender terrorists’ (this is genuinely laughable considering the natures of most of these kids), to the Red Pill guys who want to carve out their own trad-con niche in the ‘sphere using Incles as a negative example to prove their version of whatever qualifies as masculinity. Lets face it, Incels are easy targets. They’re universally described as “the losers you used to know in high school who couldn’t get laid”. This makes them easy to dismiss most of the time, until one of them shoots up a university or mows down random women with a panel truck.

Incel is short for involuntary celibate, but there’s a lot more contributing to these guy’s condition than just an inability to get laid. Back in 2014 the term Incel wasn’t used to define Eliot Rodger. He was an Incel for sure, but very few people trying to analyze him made this connection. Again, they wanted crazy, and what’s better than crazy? More crazy. So all the efforts used to pick Eliot apart back then were really pointing to bigger motives, nefarious groups of ‘misogynists’ and more craziness.

Back then, Eliot belonged to an online forum called PUA Hate; literally a group formed by these guys’ collective dislike of the Pick Up Artist set that virtually all of them had once been hopeful would end their involuntary celibacy. For whatever reason the promised magic formula that would end their loneliness and sexlessness didn’t work for them. They were all understandably mad. Ironically, Rational Male articles I had written got link-backs to various posts on the forum and most of them were appreciative of them, however, that may’ve also been part of the problem. Fast forward four years and today the deleted PUA Hate forum is replaced by incel.me, another forum with a similar charter (and also one I get good link-backs to).

I think one of the most pressing problems in Red Pill awareness today is that awareness itself. Not every guy is ready to be unplugged. One of the inherent risks I take in writing what I do is presuming every man I make aware has the presence of mind to accept it and work it out for himself. If you look at the profiles of the past 6 school shooters, include Eliot Rodger and Alek Minassian, you find a lot of similarities. Most were the products of a fatherless home, most were diagnosed with autism or Asperger’s syndrome, and all of them were the ‘Forever Alone’ types triggered by the rejection of a girl. These young men are the product of a generation that has removed the man from their upbringing and taught them to emote before they think.

Today we’re just starting to acknowledge this generation of ‘lost boys‘; the young men who drift rudderless in life, are socially retarded to varying degrees and a demographic that is looking outside themselves for solutions to problems that are the result of the social order that created them. Is it any surprise we have such a rise in popularity of any speaker or organization that might be able provide them some direction?

Many of these guys are simply not ready to be made Red Pill aware. It is a risk to their egos, but also, it’s often a crushing disillusionment of the Blue Pill ideals they’d hoped would be a reality for them if they could just play the Blue Pill’s game correctly. For a lot of them it was their Blue Pill hopes that formed the basis of their existence. Now add the harsh truths of the Red Pill to a lost boy, one who is socially maladapted or has a genuine psychological disorder, and take that (misguided) ‘hope’ away from him. What does that kid do when the Red Pill shows him the reality of the game he’s involved in?

There is no ‘Black Pill’

I’ve heard Roosh and a few other commenters in the ‘sphere describe the “Black Pill” – the idea that the social order of the Blue Pill, the Feminine Imperative, or the ‘gynocracy’ if you like, is so rigged against men that they accept their role in it and give up on trying to make themselves or their circumstance better. What these guys are describing is what I’ve referred to in the past as the Abyss. This Abyss is the psychological / existential gulf a man needs to cross when he becomes Red Pill aware. He realizes that the person he carved himself out to be in a Blue Pill conditioned ideal was based on a the same falsehoods. This stage of unplugging has difficulties unique to men at various stages of their lives and according to the decisions they made for themselves throughout their lives in accordance with those Blue Pill ideals. It’s one thing for a young man of 25 to unplug and turn his life around in a Red Pill aware paradigm, but it’s quite another for a man of 70 to become aware and look back on his life, marriage(s), family dysfunction and the long term impact his blindness to the Blue Pill game he was a part of for so long.

There is a necessary state of nihilism, or at the very least a prolonged doubt, that occurs when men realize that they’re cut away from that Blue Pill conditioned life. This is why I compare it to mourning in The Five Stages of Unplugging, men are literally mourning the loss of their investments in that paradigm; they’re morning the loss of Killing the Beta they used to be.

Understand this, there is no Black Pill – there is only the Abyss of accepting the truth that comes with Red Pill awareness and a man’s capacity to make this awareness work in his best interests.

Incels, if nothing else, want to find ways to make this awareness work for them, but most are too damaged to deal with the realities that Red Pill awareness reveals to them. They’re not ready for the truth, but it’s unavoidable today.

A lot of femosphere critics want to lay the blame for Incels at the feet of the Red Pill. They think there’s some nefarious plot to radicalize young men to be killers in some misogyny fueled gender-jihad against women. This presumption also comes on the heels of the #MeToo / Future is Female movement so it fits in perfectly with the ‘resistance’ narrative. As I said, it’s easy to hate on Incels. They fit another profile too; that of the basement dwelling 30 year old who refuses to leave his parents house. For the Man Up crowd Incels are easy to AMOG, for the lathered up militant feminist they’re the perfect foil needed to legitimize their own ego investments in gender dystopia.

The truth of the matter is Incels have always been with us. They were the losers, the nerds (before they were told they were cool) and the guys who were Darwin’s dead ends. I knew dozens of them when I was growing up. I know many now, all of them building a life-theme around their life long confusion and misery of not figuring out women. I know a lot of married men today who are technically Incels in their marriages. We like to say they’re ‘unlucky’ in love or we’ll say “Don’t worry, you’re a great guy. Any girl would be lucky to have you. You’re just meeting the wrong kind of girls, just be yourself and it’ll happen for you.” Then we hope they don’t fixate on one of our girlfriend’s girlfriends and they go off to figure out how the real world works.

AFCs in 2018

So what’s different now? Well, to start, we have a generation of lost boys who’ve been acculturated to think that even asking a girl out is a form of sexual misconduct. The Village has raised boys as if they’re defective girls, devoid of any of the masculine discipline necessary to teach these young men how to cope with real rejection from a girl, how to deal with defeat or how to come back stronger as a result. As we’ve feminized these boys so to have we embedded the same feminine victimhood narrative that women rely on into their collective psyche. Except these boys are still beholden to the old social contract that women believe incumbent upon men. This puts these boy-men into a very precarious position: they are educated like defective girls and as such adopt the same frail sensibilities and are subject to the same entitlement narrative as most women are, but they are also male and therefore are expected to suck it up, take it on the chin and carry on. They are told to express their feelings and in the next moment are told to check their male privilege.

Most of the lost boys generation are not ready for the disillusionment that the Red Pill brings to them, but it’s not the manosphere that’s opening their eyes so much as they are having it thrust in front of them by a communication age steeped in the Feminine Imperative. Today, Red Pill truths are harder and harder to get away from as Open Hypergamy and all of the unflattering truths about the female nature are triumphantly lauded by women themselves. Every swipe left on Tinder is one more confirmation of exactly the harsh truths that push Incels to their limit.

Of every article I’ve read on Incels since the Toronto killings not one author has analyzed the problem correctly, but also none have any actionable idea about how to solve the problem of Incels snapping. There are no longer the same outlets that ‘losers’ had back in my day to channel that sexual frustration to more productive ends. Many a frustrated high school boy became his generation’s iconic artist or musician. I think it’s the height of irony that Mark Zuckerberg essentially created Facebook to stalk his ex girlfriend. There are no longer the creative ways to deal with the discontent that comes from sexual rejection. Some will say to me there are, it’s just these guys are too unmotivated to apply themselves. And while that may be true, there are much easier outlets that further stunt that boys development. Rather than redirecting that sexual angst to something creative, it’s much easier to lose themselves in online porn or immersive escapisms facilitated by this age’s technology.

Or they can seek out a forum of similarly disaffected young men and commiserate about the truth of a world that has no place for them. I read that Dr. Jordan Peterson suggested that a social order based on ‘enforced monogamy’ might be a cure for Incels. I get what he was trying to say, but it’s just one more flippant redirection away from the real causes of this rise in Incels. I can remember reading a post that Roissy had made about a knife wielding man in China who had gone to a day care center to specifically kill women and children. As horrifying as that is what had prompted the guy was the understanding that he’d essentially been selected out of the reproductive game because there was a huge imbalance in the ratio of men to women in China as a result of their one-child policy for so long. Roissy went on to suggest that as more and more men are disaffected by a feminine-primary social order, one that bases all its legislation and social doctrine on optimizing Hypergamy, the men disenfranchised by it will become either more violent (in their effort or angst to reproduce) or more suicidal – which we also see in men killing themselves at 5 times the rate of women.

Incels are the canary in the coal mine that is a gynocentric social order. They are what results when a society prioritizes and incentivizes Alpha Fucks (enthusiastic consent) while Beta Bucks is more or less assured by direct and indirect resource transfer to women. When 80%+ of men are evaluated as ‘unattractive’ to women fed on a steady diet of ego inflating social media, you get Incels. I made a case for this in Dangerous Times, but Incels are a byproduct of a feminine-primary form of polyandry. Incels are a result of shifting from a social contract based on marriage to one based on a sustained child support. The old social order was founded on giving a guy a decent shot at marriage and reproduction by way of being a good provider, this contract is gone today. When a woman’s primary incentive is no longer provisioning all that’s left is a socio-sexual contract based on the most available Alpha seed to meet a need that a woman cannot provide for herself.

As we move into the next decade I believe we will see even more narrowing of this socio-sexual contract. This is why some countries are legislating that anything less than an enduring enthusiastic consent for a woman is rape. This is an effort in insuring a woman is never again inconvenienced by having transactional sex for resources, nor should she be bothered by men who will know not to approach her. Incels are the natural expression of the frustration that comes from this truth becoming more and more blatant and accepted in society. Incels have it right; they more than any guy understand the brutal truths of a social order founded on mandating Alpha Fucks and Beta Bucks. Where they go wrong is in their way (or non way) of coping with that truth. They accept their Black Pill and never cross the Abyss to a better life because they don’t know how to evolve with it.

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j
j
1 year ago

“How much work did he put in in between?”

Yes so it was hard work (“under smart direction and (enforced) discipline” – aka Belichick and the “Patriots way”) that helped this guy

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become this guy

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not “Natural talent” (otherwise he’d been taken 1st overall back in 2000 NFL draft like LeBron was taken 1st overall in the 2003 NBA draft)

https://twitter.com/JonesOnTheNBA/status/1001107404270878720

theasdgamer
1 year ago

@Sentient As far as weights go, something that kfg said clicked and all of a sudden my lifting started producing results. Harder work. As far as the classroom goes, I was top in my physics sub-specialty as a grad student for a couple of years. My profs wanted to recommend me to the U. of Chicago, which was tops in physics. They thought that my research was super cool. Mrs. Gamer refused to go to Chicago. I should have dumped her. As far as socials skills go, as soon as I started putting in the work, I saw solid results.… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 year ago

The point is that it’s awfully easy to work very, very hard and very, very stupid. Which will tend to leave you rather worse off than if you hadn’t worked at all.

“Practice makes permanent; focused practiced makes perfect.”

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
1 year ago

Feminist gibberish but you might want to take note …

‘We Have Every Right to Hate You”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html?utm_term=.d16308b03fd5

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

J It’s clear none of any of the work Brady ever put in was in the weight room… http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/brady-sunbathe/tom-brady-sunbathes-in-birthday-suit-alongside-wife-gisele-bundchen-09.jpg Back to 2000… OK so you say he was a justifiably talentless bust at round 6 – because all those guys passed on him – and in the course of ONE season goes to the Superbowl in 2001 because of the hard work he did following the Patriot Way? The same Way that resulted in your dead QB list? How is that? Oh wait – here’s an idea – Talent. ASD I was top in my physics sub-specialty as a grad… Read more »

j
j
1 year ago

@Sentient Here’s Belichick himself: “Belichick admitted that Brady wasn’t blessed with overwhelming athletic skill. Rather, it’s been learned. “He’s not a great natural athlete, but he’s a very smart, instinctive football player,” he told Welch.” “Belichick is quick to praise Brady, whom he’s coached since 2000, on his ability to put in the time to get better and win. “Tom works very hard,” he said. “He wasn’t all that good when we got him. He mechanically wasn’t anywhere near where it eventually has ended up.” Over the years, though, that’s changed. “Nobody’s worked harder than Tom. He’s trained hard. He’s… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 year ago

Got it – in the small bowl you were a big goldfish… saying more about the bowl than the goldfish though… Not really. The profs who wanted to recommend me didn’t do research in my sub-specialty (classical optics). I had figured out a Big Thing. Big enough that my profs not doing research in my sub-specialty wanted to fast track me to THE top grad school in physics for my Ph.D. One of my profs wanted me to submit a journal article on the topic to a physics journal (and someone else published an article on the topic a couple… Read more »

The Silver FoX
The Silver FoX
1 year ago

That Asia chick is such a skanky ho. So entitled, so riddled with bad tatts. Such a strong womyn! Yuk! Heheh. Don’t like Weinstein, but i’d call her out as being as big a ho as he is a douchebag. And Bourdain, never knew much about him at all, but to kill yourself over such a skanky ho? Very sad indeed. But, he was a big #MeToo supporter, so ain’t karma a bitch. Maybe there should be a men’s #MeToo for all the guys fucked over by feminism. Who’s gonna call her out in the media for her sluttiness, i… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

Who’s gonna call her out in the media for her sluttiness, i wonder…

No one, obviously. it’s not the 20th century anymore…

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

JT McMahon Spot on – yet wonder if many of the incels have The Right Stuff. I wonder how many of them have a clue what the right stuff even looks like? Plato’s famous analogy of “shadows on the cave wall” is very apt here. Boys and young men are lied to by their K – 12 teachers, lied to by their infotainments, lied to over and over again. Surrounded by lies, it is as if they are chained in a basement. The red pill is like opening a door and letting sunlight in – “why do my eyes hurt?”;… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

— Mary Daly

Yeah, exactly. The best news about her: she’s still dead.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Mary_Daly

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

Plus.. there isn’t a man on the planet no matter how blue pill who isn’t looking at that situation and waking up … even just a little bit..

Which planet are you referring to? This one is covered with blue-pill sleepers.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

They’re not all asleep.

Did not make that claim. You said what, again? Something about every man on the planet?

Most

That’s not the word you used. I don’t buy it anyway.

Earlier today I overheard a beta orbiter sucking up to a girl, a routine thing anywhere near a college campus. Previous to that I was present for an older man doing the “yes-dear” for his wife. It’s all around.

Congrats on your book, by the way. When I get the primary computer fixed up I’ll buy a copy.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

I’ve never worked less in my life.

I’m making more, getting more from life than ever.

Hard work is for chumps.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

J He’s not a great natural athlete, but he’s a very smart, instinctive football player Aaaaand there it is… the uncoachable element. [PS – Brady is still not a great athlete… Ever see him ‘scramble”?] You missed these quotes from Bill? “On the field he sees things,” Belichick said. “He’s got a great ability to take and [process] a large amount of information very quickly.” “He has great football vision, awareness, and understanding, again, of what we do and what our opponents do,” Genius…. also why so many “hard working” and athletically gifted QBs fail, they lack this. “He can… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

PalmaSailor
You might not find my book up to your standards on literacy but the fundamental experiences and mistakes should come through loud and clear.

There’s a couple of centuries worth of literary books, but only a handful of Red Pill works. I’m sure I will learn from your book.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

I get it… the Airport Book Authors, Blog Culture and Youtoobers make big bank off of The PPT and You Can Do It!

But mah 10,000 hours! What about that, huh? Huh? Malcolm Gladwell said so! Gotta be true!

j
j
1 year ago

@Sentient “Aaaaand there it is… the uncoachable element.” High IQ? If that were so important in sports, then former Harvard Quarterback, Ryan Fitzpatrick, would be be dominating the NFL against low IQ cornerbacks. And likewise, former Harvard point guard, Jeremy Lin’s “Linsanity” would still be going on “On the field he sees things,” Belichick said. “He’s got a great ability to take and [process] a large amount of information very quickly.” Every coach says shit like man about their quarterbacks. Here’s current head coach of the Los Angeles Chargers, Anthony Lynn, on Quarterback Cardale Jones (who was taken in the… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

J

I’m coming to the conclusion you have trouble with reading.

😞

j
j
1 year ago

More likely, Belichick already had the players he wanted in the 2000 draft. and as they approached the 6th round, they noticed Brady was still on the board….and they were like “ehh fuck it lets give this kid a shot. I like his attitude. But hey if he doesn’t pan out, its not like it’ll cost us much anyway. Bledsoe’s our guy” Vs your claim that super genius Belichick knew all along that Brady would be a Future Hall of Fame multiple MVP/Super Bowl winning Quarterback and all the other coaches (including those future hall of fame head coaches I… Read more »

j
j
1 year ago

😉

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

J Actually its more like this… I wrote: “ASD:“Hard work is the great equalizer.” Not really. It’s useful up to a point.” and you wrote… “Are you telling me all these Quarterback camps around the states are completely useless for hard working athletes, if they aren’t blessed with a natural ability to read 3-4 defenses by age 5?” So that’s how I come to my conclusion [putting aside the bs conclusions from the Mozart book and how this “He’s got a great ability to take and [process] a large amount of information very quickly.” turns into this “he’s very articulate… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

But on the topic of QB camps… Yeah the smart money bet is it is a waste of money… Ballers gonna ball without that camp and get jobs ahead of those guys… Spend wisely.

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Gates wrote the quote on that Airport Book… IRL when he was on his way to becoming the richest man in the world he was followed by Forbes ASAP writer rich Karlgaard…. On IQ… [which was not referenced in regard to Brady] I’ll never forget flying with him on the 11:30 p.m. shuttle from Logan to LaGuardia. Mr. Gates sat unrecognized, row 27, a lank-haired fellow in a rugby shirt and khakis. His eyes were glued to a book. His new friend Warren Buffett, you see, had lent him a copy of “The Intelligent Investor,” Benjamin Graham’s classic. Not only… Read more »

j
j
1 year ago

@Sentient

hmm… earlier this year, I remember Gates giving a different answer on IQ:

https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/the-no-1-piece-of-advice-bill-gates-would-give-his-younger-self.html

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

J

To whom did he give that answer? Zuckerberg… in a public forum tied into his foundation work.

You can – and probably will from the looks of things – belive his answer now or believe his answer long ago when he was with Rick for five days one on one, and flying coach.

The rich can afford their fantasies.

j
j
1 year ago

Last note on Brady. Scouting report summary coming out of college: “Is not what you’re looking for in terms of physical stature, strength, arm strength and mobility, but he has the intangibles and production and showed great Griese-like improvement as a senior. Could make it in the right system but will not be for everyone You have to wonder….what if the Patriots never drafted Brady. and he never developed under Belichick’s system (the only times Brady wasn’t the starter was in 2008 when Brady tore his ACL in the season opener. Backup QB Matt Cassel lead the Patriots to a… Read more »

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

@j
The point isn’t to wander off down a rabbit trail of fantasy football. That was just an analogy.

The point is this: hard work properly applied plus talent is a winning combination. Hard work properly directed can make up for lack of talent only so far.

Why aren’t there more Chinese and Korean players in the NBA?
Those cultures prize hard work…

j
j
1 year ago

@AR “Hard work properly directed can make up for lack of talent only so far.” yeah my point was: Brady was an average Quarterback at best coming out of college (hence picked behind 198 other athletes instead of going in the first round). Not a naturally gifted freak of nature. Here’s a list of freaks for reference: https://www.muscleprodigy.com/top-25-most-athletic-freaks-of-all-time/ His first couple years with the Patriots prove how average he was (compare his first years with 2012 #1 overall pick Andrew Luck – QB who was (injuries) naturally talented). Under the leadership of this guy: https://twitter.com/CaseyBake16/status/1002200902198071296 https://twitter.com/farnamstreet/status/938053061569781761?lang=en …and through hard work… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
1 year ago

Poor J…

You think his giftedness is athletic…

j
j
1 year ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago

” The point is this: hard work properly applied plus talent is a winning combination. Hard work properly directed can make up for lack of talent only so far. ”

Gotta make time to get my ass back on the golf course.

Cause I suck.

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago
Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago

Re: Brady – If Drew Bledsoe didn’t get hit so hard during a game that his heart was almost knocked out of his chest, Brady probably would’ve had a much different future. Opportunity, Coaching, and Preparedness. Right time and all that. I believe Tom was not one to ever take his chance for granted, and he maximized it as fully as possible… however, without Bill ” The Hoodie ” Belichick on the sidelines, it coulda been a much different outcome. Tom thinks he can play into his mid 40’s. If Belichick leaves ( because Bob Kraft pissed him off with… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago

Yet, the Eagles spanked dat ass.

Just sayin’.

O.B.I.T.
O.B.I.T.
1 year ago

Brady’s not bad but it was Gronkowski who made the $80 exacta in the Belmont Saturday

frank632
1 year ago

Game may work, but I think it assumes you are at least average looking and neurotypical. If you are a 50 year old, beer belly having, balding Indian, then you are fooling yourself if you think learning game will allow you to walk on to a college campus and slay the whole cheerleading squad. Plus the MILF cheerleading coach. It ain’t happening, cap’n.

Some guys are held back by their lack of good looks, not being neurotypical or a combination thereof.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
1 year ago

Game may work, but I think it assumes you are at least average looking and neurotypical.

You are wrong.

you are fooling yourself if you think learning game will allow you to walk on to a college campus and slay the whole cheerleading squad. Plus the MILF cheerleading coach.

Strawman.

There are a lot of articles here. You might try reading some.

mersonia
1 year ago

@Frank Incorrect sir…. anyways I’m not going to break this down because I thought about it and was like damn I’d end up like yareally trying to type up paragraphs to disprove shit every time someone comes up with a comment like above………..not enough time. Makes sense that everyone who gives good advice for free disappears into thin air Plus the majority of people on this site that make post like above know they’re full of shit and just want a excuse not to work/change. I wonder if Hank ever made his breakthrough I wonder if I will ever finish… Read more »

Morpheus
1 year ago
Reply to  frank632

The overwhelming majority of guys who hit the gym are not going to be competing in the World’s Strongest Man competition or Mr. Olympia, but that doesn’t mean a guy can’t improve his physique and functional strength, and that isn’t an excuse to avoid the gym altogether.

Sure, a guy isn’t going to necessarily be banging the college cheerleaders with “Game” but that doesn’t mean he can’t increase his social ability with women more along his comparable physical level.

It isn’t all or nothing

Yollo Comanche
Yollo Comanche
1 year ago

@mersonia

You’re up to 6 already? I was waiting for your take on the alpha discussion, personally.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

Oh fuck no, Frank. Check this out. Yesterday, farmer’s market, there’s a fat balding short guy chatting with a tall pretty 20’s Latina and friends. She’s dressed slutty, high boots and skin tight short shorts. He says bye to the few there, holds out his hand and the hottie grasps it and off they walked as if they’ve been a LTR awhile. Assume all you please about the nature of the relationship. It was legit. Last night was a stellar evening. Bands all around, young women everywhere. No need to invoke dread anymore. The world does it for me. Loading...

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

AND….I saw a nice more than 5’0″ chubby Hobbit framed dude with…a 5’8′ 185# chubby with a kid.

If she dropped the weight, she’d be tolerable.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

Not more than 5’…

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJu3DBefaOg&w=854&h=480%5D

Physical adversity ( shit, mental too ).

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Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

Its not easy being an incel (im 25 khv). Im one of those who’ll eventually implode on himself rather than explode and seek revenge on other humans. I think that most of us explode/implode once they realize the truth about being genetic trash and every little thing flashes before eyes. I’ve accepted the fact that theres no remedy no matter how much red pill ill apply because im rotten at the core. I cannot complete with males who’ve been gathering experience since middle school. We’re invisible to regular people and we only become noticed once we kill ourselves or others.… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@Palmasailor

I honestly dont know if i want it because i find no interest (sometimes even feel disgust) in having relationships or sex. I cannot even imagine myself doing it. Im just a male spoilage.

j
j
1 year ago

@Jonas

“i find no interest (sometimes even feel disgust) in having relationships or sex”

ok then what exactly are you competing with “males who’ve been gathering experience since middle school” for?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdtKbq3Omkw

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@j

Because non-sexual male is considered genetic trash.

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@PalmaSailor

Sure i want help but i have this impression that im so deep in abyss that i’ve cut the sexuality out of myself just to avoid unbearable pain.

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@PalmaSailor Well, im 25 yo guy currently working as a low IT specialist for 430 euros (im from eastern europe). My love life is a bit strange because i can somewhat talk with girls on the internet but i absolutely suck irl. It doesnt help that im a stutter and put up an understanding friend facade. I never go on dates because i find them scripted (do this to do that and etc.) and i have to pretend to be someone else. I put up others at distance when it comes to intimacy so i’ve been sending a lot of… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago

Jonas There’s no such thing as genetic trash. The dna/genes that separate a wolf from a poodle are so miniscule that they’re almost insignificant. Talk it out here, just like you’re doing. It’s a good first step. Listen to what is being said to you by the guys here. There’s divergent experience all trying to attain similar goals in life. If I could say anything at all to you that I’d like for you to understand above all else right now, and I want you to GET THIS FULLY, is that at 25 years old, you have the bulk of… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@PalmaSailor Not really, i’m just trying to figure it out. Sometimes i do lift dumbbells at home but nothing too serious and my diet is reasonably good except that i drink a lot of coke zero. Sadly, it’s 430 per month. @Blaximus Sometimes i think that i punish myself for not being like other men, for example in sexuality context other men like sex or find that it’s worth to jump couple of burning loops just to get it. However i dont feel the same about it and i get angry at myself for not having this “module” installed into… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@Palmasailor

I dont know exactly. For now i’m trying to attend therapy and sort my life because i have a lot of issues. I’ve been blue pill through out school and uni but now i’m in abyss for about 3-4 years.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

Jonas, Take a step back, take a deep breath as life is good. Everything you want is waiting for you. Acting on your intentions is tough sometimes but I know you will do this. Here’s an analogy: when I introduced rifle deer hunting to my young boys I bait enough to ensure at least some does and let them shoot the biggest one possible. They all had success early on and as such they love the hunt and do well at it and without my propmting. Success begets success. Let’s get you some success and that starts in the field… Read more »

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

@Jonas “I dont know exactly.” There is a metaphor: You can’t see the signal (your guiding signal in the noise/darkness/abyss) because there is too much noise blocking it out. The manosphere is an ‘ugly comet’ with a lot of noise. Despite all of the Red Pill negativeness about Jordan Peterson, the one thing about his talk is that it he is clear. He’s not always correct in his solutions for individuals, but he has some clear thinking that bores down to signals that aren’t obfuscated by noise. It’s not what he says to do, it’s how he goes about getting… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@EhIntellect It’s a bit tricky when it comes to FR’s because i dont find sex as a thing which is worth getting my hands dirty. Therefore i dont really interact anymore (atleast for 2 – 3 years). However i can write about my last big interaction with one. She was cashier at local supermarket and one day i saw her and felt very strong attraction. I found her on facebook because of her id card (name and surname). Strangely my first message was some sort of semi-poetic vision about her being the only flower in the garden and i’m being… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@Palmasailor

Existential crisis and very repressed sexuality, to the point that i even see myself as an asexual (even if it’s not true)

@SJF

Thanks for all good word. I do really lack vision in my life.

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

Jonas,

Quotes from The Matrix movie:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133093/quotes

Something to think about in your heart of darkness.

Strength, Courage, Mastery and Honor among other Men is a prerequisite to be Attractive. Be Attractive, don’t be UnAttractive.

theasdgamer
1 year ago

Jonas, it’s obvious from your writings that you have believed a lot of lies. You presented yourself to the cashier as a beast in order to shield yourself from the anticipated rejection. You thought that you surely would be instantaneously rejected as a beast, right? But you weren’t rejected. Didn’t you find that peculiar?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

There’s a lot to work with here, Jonas. Keep an open mind, drop any label you feel compelled to describe yourself. Superficially I could point out BP ideals, pedalstalized thoughts of women in your FR. But my guess is this isn’t about women or sex but being ok with you as you. As Blax mentioned you are just getting started in your life and FWIW a full ten years from your personal SMP peak. There’s only one way to go and that upwards, IMO. It very well might take that long to get there. Be ok. with that and it’ll… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@SJF

Matrix is probably my favorite movies, so spot on.

@theasdgamer

Yes, i did find it peculiar because i wasnt rejected for being myself aka pouring what i thought about that situation. I used to take this good friend/advisor role with girls when i was in HS and uni.

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@EhIntellect

Thank you for welcoming. What do you mean by “forcefit masculine archetype onto your unknown potential”? Are different types of masculine archetype?

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

@Jonas Save every response you’ll get here. You won’t be able to absorb everything straight away. It’s not you, it’s the nature of things. Words will change their meaning in your head, you’ll see things differently over time, you’ll tune in and spot more nuances. That’s why you should be re-reading all of this every now and then to get more out of it. What undermines your progress and keeps you in a Groundhog Day are your daily habits. Change them ruthlessly. How you eat, how you sleep, how you go about your day. How you treat your body and… Read more »

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

Play to your Strengths, minimize your weaknesses.

But work on both.

Confidence comes from action and performing well.

Competence is a process.

No value in a participation award. Value comes from having performed well.

Sorry for the aphorisms I’m lifting hard at the gym right now. And normally don’t look at my phone while doing so.

theasdgamer
1 year ago

So, girls like beasts–at least, what they think of as beasts. However, what they think of as beasts isn’t what you think of as beasts. For girls, beasts are sexy guys who never return their phone calls, flake on girls, have so much pussy chasing them that they can treat girls with contempt. They don’t think of beasts as men who hate them. For incels, beasts are guys who kill girls and hate girls. So, when you told the cashier that you are a beast, she had a totally different idea of what you are than you meant to communicate.… Read more »

theasdgamer
1 year ago

Jonas, I think that the girl’s initial acceptance occurred because she didn’t understand what you meant by “beast” and “destroy”. What do you think she thought they meant?

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@IRL All the things you’ve mentioned seems like a step 2 towards personal vision of what kind of person do you want to be and improving the current self. Sadly, i’m on step 1 which is to figuring out the personal vision. @SJF You could say that i’m the one without identity like an actor who gets into role so hard that he forgets what kind of person he actually is. @theasdgamer Ofcourse i didnt meant beast as in Beauty and the Beast but more of a Quasimodo. I do realize that it’s stupid to expect girls to act like… Read more »

IRL
IRL
1 year ago

@Jonas All the things you’ve mentioned seems like a step 2 towards personal vision of what kind of person do you want to be and improving the current self. Sadly, i’m on step 1 which is to figuring out the personal vision. Not eating shit etc. is step 2? You lazy fuck. You’re too intelligent and analytical for your own good. Listen, this list is the baseline. Fixing your body and mind 101. Not doing it is staying in your head and handicapping yourself. Whatever your long term goals might be. Kick your own ass. Act. You’re dissipating energy by… Read more »

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

Jonas “All the things you’ve mentioned seems like a step 2 towards personal vision of what kind of person do you want to be and improving the current self. Sadly, i’m on step 1 which is to figuring out the personal vision.” That’s when you ask for help. That’s what are doing here. You still have to do the work. Do it with assistance. Since you are currently rudderless, you might want to round up $29 USD (Or split it with a friend with a current 2 for 1 deal.) and get some help from Jordan Peterson’s Self Authoring Program.… Read more »

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

“You’re too intelligent and analytical for your own good.”

https://rianstonept.blogspot.com/2016/03/turn-off-your-brain.html

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@IRL

You’re right. I’m overanalyzing this whole situation because i’ve been in my head too long,

@SJF

I’ve done JBP test
Agreeableness – 0
Conscientiousness – 25
Extraversion – 43
Neuroticism – 80
Openness – 27
I have this conviction that without clear vision towards future all my efforts are doomed to fail.

theasdgamer
1 year ago

@Jonas

If you want to learn about girls really quickly, try teasing girls, just to amuse yourself. Do this with all kinds of girls. Start with older women, unattractive girls, and other girls that don’t get a lot of attention. Watch their reactions.

Do this with clerks of all kinds when you’re out shopping. Bartenders. Baristas. Medical staff. IT people. Do this for at least two weeks.

Learn how far to push, how to calibrate girls, and how to do damage control. Watch your own reactions and see if you’re not having a good time.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

Jonas, On forcefitting. You want to be better. What does that mean to you? You don’t know. That’s o.k. for now. Committing to an idea of who you want to be, when you’ve no clue who you are. Saying “Be masculine!” IMO isnt helpful as you’ve no reference experiences. Let’s admit your incel state is rather pathetic. Full stop. That’s a benefit as you’re not claiming your failures as virtues of necessity. Guys like to themselves all the time like that or they think their life is much worse than it is. I don’t know much about you but if… Read more »

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@theasdgamer

I pretty much tease mom all the time but like i’ve said i get into “advisor/calm friend” mode once i’m around other girls (if not avoiding them all together). I’m not gonna lie – i feel a lot of hatred towards women in general, maybe it’s because i’ve never had positive experience with them or maybe you fear what’s unknown to you and that fear ends up as disdain.

@EhIntellect

Complete opposite of me? That would be optimist leader who’s good with words and oozes charisma.

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@palmasailor

I guess it can be traced to my father (blue pill provider) and my grandpa (he grew up without biological father). I remember asking why we didnt have any serious talk about girls and life and he only said that i seemed smart enough to figure it out.

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@palmasailor

Unironically, i’m trying to teach my pops some of a red pill stuff. When regarding me, i feel like i’m standing in the middle of meadow and there’s not path in horizon and i just end up staying in the same place and rotting like still water. Red pill illuminates demons but doesnt make fighting them any easier.

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago

If a path is not evident, that’s an opportunity to make your own. If you only move forward an inch at a time, it’s better than standing still.

See: every glacier on the planet.

Jonas
Jonas
1 year ago

@blaximus

How can one move if there’s nothing worth checking out in horizon?

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

Jonas,

“Complete opposite of me? That would be optimist leader who’s good with words and oozes charisma.”

Aeesome. Simply perfect…and doable.

Take all the words, nouns, verbs and adjectives. Write them down apart from each other. Compartmentalize them.

Then pick one. Just one. And start there. Come back and you’ll get lots of help with resources and experiemced advice.

Q: How would you eat an elephant?

A: One bite at a time.

It’ll take time but it’s worth it.

EhIntellect
EhIntellect
1 year ago

Jonas,

Take it off the his thread to Field Reports.

SJF
SJF
1 year ago

“How can one move if there’s nothing worth checking out in horizon?” By changing the way you think. What you are telling yourself in your cognitive brain is that there is nothing worth checking out or doing. Based on how every other human walking around on this earth finding meaningful things to do, that is obviously not true. Unless all those other people are idiots. Your cognitive thoughts are just a bunch of chemicals at synapses in your brain telling you stupid little things. You don’t have to go all fucking nihilistic. Doing that is a choice. You have other… Read more »

marelius
marelius
1 year ago

@Jonas “How can one move if there’s nothing worth checking out in horizon?” Its helpful to keep in mind that its a big red flag when we narrow our choice to a binary condition. You have limited yourself to “get fixed or stay the same” as your only two choices, with no clear vision on how to get fixed. Since You have no idea how to fix yourself (all at once), you think you only real choice is to stay the same. The reality is that you can’t just fix yourself all at once, so of course you would be… Read more »

Blaximus
Blaximus
1 year ago

Jonas

Finding something worthwhile on the horizon is a matter of your perspective and perception.

You’re going to hear that a lot re: perceptions.

Marelius is.correct above.

You have all the hardware you need, you just have to update your software while expecting the mandatory glitches that will appear.

Nothingness on a horizon is a perceptive issue. You can remedy this first by not saying or thinking ” there’s nothing on the horizon “.

Mind those inner thoughts. Control them. Eventually you’ll be able to chain negative and non productive thoughts and lock them in a closet.

Leonardo
Leonardo
1 year ago

If you look at the profiles of the past 6 school shooters, include Eliot Rodger and Alek Minassian, you find a lot of similarities. Most were the products of a fatherless home, most were diagnosed with autism or Asperger’s syndrome, and all of them were the ‘Forever Alone’ types triggered by the rejection of a girl. I identify myself in this profile. And that’s right: I’m in practice still virgin at 28. I’m trying to fight to improve myself (lifting, goals, grooming) but in the end my social capabilities are limited. Every time I read something about incels I feel… Read more »

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
1 year ago

The wrathful dakini/negative anima projection of this incel is nothing more than his own cthonic feminine psychic energy likely displaced by growing up in an environment with reversed polarities. Red Pill mojo is needed to integrate this energy and reclaim his manhood. The manosphere is the rebirthing den.

https://appliedjung.com/anima-possession/

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