As was expected this week, there’s been an extensive and eager effort on the part our feminine-primary social order to once again further shifting the narrative of “toxic” masculinity to ‘masculinity is toxic. I addressed this in Male Control. Directly after the Las Vegas mass shooting we began to see articles from the femosphere decrying the evils of masculinity as being the cause of the violence.
It is no longer enough to foster the falsehood of varieties of masculinity as being “toxic” or “hyper”– now, any masculinity is a disease to society. The Feminine Imperative is all too ready to conflate any semblance of conventional masculinity with mass murder, rape, violence, harassment and any other social malaise that might viably be wiped off on men ‘being’ men. And in the wake of every new tragic act of violence this narrative shift will be more adamantly promoted by misandrist authors.
I covered a lot of this in Positive Masculinity and the Red Pill Parent series of essays, but even when I wrote these the cultural narrative was still promoting a distinction between what was acceptable masculinity and what was ‘toxic’ masculinity. This is what the Village has been instilling in our boys for some time now. Before the loss of Hillary Clinton and the Future is Female militancy took root there was some concession as to what might be considered an acceptable form of masculinity.
Naturally that ‘good’ masculinity was always defined as something uniquely benefitting the feminine. Before this cultural shift the Feminine Imperative still recognized the need it had for a masculinity that could be exploited for its purposes. There was still a need for men to Man Up and Shut Up. To be sure, boys were (and are) still taught by the Village as if they were defective girls. Boys had to be conditioned to hate their own gender in order to grow up into compliant and feminine-identifying men, but there was still a utility in masculinity that the Village recognized. Thus, there was a need to foster some kind of hopeful appreciation in men ‘being of service’ to women’s needs. There still needed to be a carrot for the mule to follow if men were to accept the old books social contract and that was the hope that their usefulness might ever be appreciated and rewarded.
The ‘Broken Boys’
Selling men on the old social contract while playing by the new set of rules worked for the Feminine Imperative throughout the late 80s, 90s and the early 2000s. However, what this narrative shift represents is a turning point in women acknowledging men as no longer (as) useful to their imperative. By 2012 it was the beginning of the End of Men, and there was little doubt, even back then, that we’d have the First Female President in office right after Obama’s exit. In the wake of that obsolescence the idea that masculinity was in any way beneficial to the Feminine Imperative, and maintaining the facade that masculinity in men might have some redeeming aspects, is no longer necessary. The feminine meta-frame has no reason to prompt men into believing their gender has anything ‘good’ to contribute to society. And thus we see the shift from qualified forms of ‘bad’ masculinity – toxic, hyper, Patriarchy, “culture of ____” – to the intended, non-qualified form of all masculinity being bad.
For the moment gyonocentrism must content itself to capitalize on human tragedies to emphasize its new masculinity = bad narrative. The Las Vegas shooting was the first paradigm shift in this respect. Once the obligatory, and now entirely boring, gun control sermons are published as a reason for the carnage, then the demonization of masculinity can be served up.
However, in the case of the most recent Nikolas Cruz shooting the Feminine Imperative gets a double bonus. The message is not only are men and masculinity the reason for all violence ever, but our boys are being taught to be these violent psychopaths because some outdated (and entirely mythical now) macho masculinity is making them so. Our boys, they say, are “broken”.
“Comedian” Michael Ian Black had a rash of post-shooting tweets that sum this narrative up:
Deeper even than the gun problem is this: boys are broken.
— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) February 15, 2018
If you want to hurt a man, the first thing you do is attack his masculinity. Men don’t have the language to understand masculinity as anything other than some version of a caveman because no language exists.
— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) February 15, 2018
Black is a perfect example of a Blue Pill conditioned ‘ally’ of the Feminine Imperative, but his sentiments here sum up exactly the tact that the femosphere has been using for a while now. There will always be a utility in appealing to the old male social contract as a horrible, chauvinistic, misogynistic, insensitive facade of what masculinity should be. It serves the imperative well if the Village can convince the larger populace that boys are still being taught by horrible masculine men and a society that hasn’t existed for 50 years which bully them into being potential Nikolas Cruzs.
They say boys are broken because it’s the only easy explanation that vaguely sounds right in the face of the Village systematically feminizing boys for the past four generation. Boys are “broken” because of an “outdated masculinity” that was replaced with a feminine-primary educational system decades ago. They’ll blame men for perpetuating that lie, and in the next breath blame men for not being “men” enough to engage with these young men so as to deter them from tragedies like this. The Village has been so effective in blurring conventional masculinity that its adherents themselves have no idea what masculinity entails.
When the 2018 Women’s March took place I, and a lot of other men in the sphere, noticed a common theme in the protest placards that mothers were creating for their sons. The message for girls was the standard “girls can do anything” pablum, but for boys the message was all the same:
“BOYS WILL BE BOYS GOOD HUMANS”
The message of today’s Village is that Boys are never to be boys, never to be male, never to be masculine in any positive aspect,…boys are born as not ‘good humans’. At least, boys are not good human beings until they acquiesce to the Village that is teaching them and to the authority of The Future is Female paradigm. In order to create the genderless, masculine-less, gelded men of the future they must get to boys earlier and earlier in their development.
In the interests of full disclosure I’ve had a handful of women defending this ubiquitous messaging tell me that it’s meant to teach boys not to blame their “shitty behavior on just their being male” – boys will be boys – but what even its defenders don’t recognize is the deeper message that boys of this age register; and particularly in an acculturation process that considers them defective girls.
But this is where we’re at in the intersexual environment today. To the imperative men are no longer men today, they are “allies”. This is the next logical step in Removing the Man from our social context. Boys are no longer ‘boys’, and they can only ever be ‘good humans’ so long as they continue their Blue Pill conditioning to become ‘allies’ later.
The following is a reblog of Josh Ishiro Finney’s A Letter to Boys & Young Men of America. Josh had this post and his blog attacked in the wake of the school shooting in Florida this week and I felt it was impactful enough to warrant a reblog here. Having written many a post on the war on conventional masculinity – and really the better part of my book Positive Masculinity – I wanted to extend my support for his commentary.
A response to mass shooting in Florida.
The bodies aren’t even cold yet and already you are being blamed.
Yes you.
All of you.
The boys and young men who will grow up to become one half of America’s future.
Once again, due to society’s failure to raise you, to teach you, to properly guide you on your path to manhood, your mere existence is being held responsible for seventeen more deaths—this time in Florida, and once again, at a school. The headlines of the last few days say it all:
“Guns don’t kill people; men and boys kill people, experts say”
-USA TODAY
“Michael Ian Black reacts to Florida shooting: Boys are broken”
-New York Daily News
“How Gun Violence And Toxic Masculinity Are Linked, In 8 Tweets”
-The Huffington Post
“Toxic white masculinity: The killer that haunts American life”
-Salon
“Toxic Masculinity Is Killing Us”
-The Boston Globe
“Toxic Masculinity Is Killing Us”
-Harpers Bazaar
“Don’t Blame Mental Illness for Mass Shootings; Blame Men”
-Politico
In the handful of decades I’ve been alive, I’ve seen America shift from a culture of responsibility to one of blame. We don’t solve problems anymore. We cry, we pray for, we seek to find closure, and then finally, slaughter a sacrificial lamb for our sins. When I was young and Columbine happened, that lamb was Marilyn Manson and video games. Before that, it was D&D and Twisted Sister. These days, though, as body counts continue to rise and excuses continue to vanish, the lamb America has chosen to sacrifice is you. Rather than take responsibility for the seeds we’ve sown, the culture we built, and the disaster you’ve been left to inherit, we as a nation have chosen to lie to ourselves. To listen and believe those who claim that the answer is simple: “Boys are simply born bad.”
As an aging Gen Xer watching this tragedy unfold, I can’t help but look back at my youth and realize we were the dry run for this “crisis of masculinity” as the media likes to call it.
In my time I’ve watched as fathers were pushed out of the home, separated from their children, and their role in society debased and devalued. Like you, I was taught male behavior was bad behavior. That I was broken and needed to be fixed. Drugs, therapy, mass socialization were required to save me from my most innate instincts—
—the need compete.
—the drive to create.
—the urge to protect.
—the desire for female affection.
Like you, I was told these instincts were not only wrong, but dangerous. That due to my Original Sin of being born a boy, I was destined to mature into a lustful monster and an oppressor of women. All this was burned into me before I even reached college, where campus policy actually assumed all men to be rapists waiting to happen.
It isn’t hard to see how we got here, to an age when America is more than willing to sacrifice its boys. To quote Fight Club, “We’re a generation of men raised by women.” And the women who raised my generation had a saying: All men are pigs. But there’s another saying those same women were enamored with and that is: The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.
So here we are, coming close to fifty years of single mothers raising their boys as if they were animals. Two generations of young men raised to believe they’re broken, immoral, and dangerous. That their natural state, if left unchecked and unmedicated, is a sexual ticking time bomb of rape and abuse. Half a century of academia peddling a grim version of history that holds your gender personally responsible for all the wrongs ever to have happened in the world. And a press, that at this very moment, is blaming YOU for every school shooting to have ever occurred.
After all this, how could there not be a crisis of masculinity?
So to the boys and young men of America, believe me when I say it isn’t you who should be apologizing for the state of our world today. This mess was set in motion long before you were born.
You are not bad.
You are not broken.
You are not inherently evil or a sexual abuser in waiting.
You are boys who were robbed of your right to be men.
All your life you’ve been told to act, think, and behave like women. To suppress your passions, your pride, your need to compete and drive to achieve.
Now society is crumbling around us.
Feminizing boys didn’t make better men. It’s resulted in broken homes and shattered families and record suicide rates. It’s destroying any notion of a healthy partnership between men and women, and is pushing us ever closer to total collapse of gender relations.
Boys, we don’t need you to be like women, the world has plenty of women, already.
What the world needs now more than ever is for you to be men.
For you to grow-up, to grow strong, and do what men do.
For it is men’s strength and determination that tamed the wilderness, built civilization, and has kept the world fed despite all predictions we’d all die starving before the year 2000. It’s men’s curiosity that lead us to explore the oceans, to conquer space, and peer into the tiniest of microcosms of the human body. It was men who built the cities we inhabit, the luxuries we enjoy, the medicines that keep us alive. Men built the road, the plumbing, the electrical grid, the phone in your hand, the internet it’s connected to.
Men have always been innovators, explores, defenders, and leaders.
But most importantly, men have always been fathers.
So to the boys and young men of America, please read this and take every word to heart.
The world needs you.
And just to get the thread started:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-18/florida-school-shooter-romantic-rival-iam-going-fuking-kill-you
This is what happens when a boy is raised in this paradigm and there’s no Red Pill father/mentor to direct him.
I remember writing this short post a few months ago. Summary: in the past, most white men actively abated and participated in the pedestalling of white women and their “virtues”. They just never imagined that the monster would back come to bite them..
https://dissention.wordpress.com/2017/11/26/on-moves-to-brand-masculinity-of-men-in-west-as-toxic-nov-26-2017/
Amen brother.
Regards, Colin Rice CDR FINANCE M: 0410 614 306
[…] Good Humans […]
@ AD Yes, I too have noted throughout the manosphere the amazing circumstances that now grip our society. That white men are now finding themselves viciously attacked by the monster they set loose to cripple and destroy other men is a truly remarkable irony. But I would not say that the white men of today “deserve” what is happening to them anymore than my black ancestors “deserved” what was done to them. It’s wrong to hold people accountable for actions of others. And now isn’t really the time to engage in schadenfreude—we really are all in this together as men.… Read more »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GaOLgy3YKtA
Of Course they’re going to blame us for everything. They have no choice.
Brothers: we must stop expecting women to reason or be consistent. They simply evolutionarily biologically cannot. These are, truly, children. They cannot help how they are.
Providing reason and guidance is our lot.
We must, where ever we are, stand firmly, unapologetically, and hold the line.
[ https://therationalmale.com/2016/02/03/the-war-brides-of-europe/ ]
“This is what happens when a boy is raised in this paradigm and there’s no Red Pill father/mentor to direct him.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEAkkJUKTO8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8FudntXfR8
I’ve noticed also recently is not just an attack on men in general anymore, but now increasingly a specific focus on “white men”. Divide and conquer?
There is no concept of fairness in power plays. Men need to get that in their head first. Then the bullshit in the media becomes amply clear and then irrelevant.
“I’ve noticed also recently is not just an attack on men in general anymore, but now increasingly a specific focus on “white men”. Divide and conquer?” (ETile) There is no reason to it. Our greatest asset – and greatest liability – is the capacity to reason. Asset because it is a powerful tool. Liability because we try and make sense of women – expecting them to have the capacity for reason and logical consistency. They simply do not. And it ties us in knots trying to reason it out. We assume they are reasonable; and so reason that somehow, it… Read more »
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/965788820678389760
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/965788083290390528
https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/965224070085148673
Far be it from any all men to read Rollo’s Twitter feed and digest this lengthy and good speech. I’d put this in the category as prototypical red pill, many of the ideas have been more than fleshed out in the manosphere, esp. by Rollo in the last ten years in the manosphere:
http://www.denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dKlN8fvI-E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Pi42Hv858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K47VXTNkE_8
Good human’s…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-bogN0V8RM
“Bad” human’s…
Wow, that Dennis Dutton paper is thought provoking and powerful.
Yes. We don’t have solutions anymore we just cry or post how hard life is on social media. When I was in my teens and too hung over to get up for church my father would yank me out of bed. “Your head hurts? You ass will hurt!” I resented it at the time. But on some level it did toughen me up. He hated whinging. He mocked any sort of heartbreak. Imagine that approach now? Now it’s all about the feelz. I have very few friends who are guys. Nearly all the guys I know at work or socially… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBoYBapi8g
https://childtrauma.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Sun-Interview-Bruce-Perry-Nov-2016.pdf
This shit will only go on as long as we continue to allow it. We need to take back boys.
Farther with Son
https://soundcloud.com/jpeterson/sets/covers
Son as the Farther
https://soundcloud.com/jordanpetersonpodcast/sets/episodes
Lover and Son
https://soundcloud.com/rugby118/chief-and-cortana-halo-1-to-halo-4
@walawala You’ve said that many times over. Even though I live in Unicorndialand, where the guys are alpha male all the time, the inverse of the pareto distribution, the males in my neighborhood and country club are 80%, the 20% top performers. Really and don’t try this at home, because it doesn’t work. I still find time to only associate with Red Pill landia guys. They are out there. They are real. And they are spectacular. I swear I have patented a style of going about getting a tribe of non douches. Shrugging off the unhappy and the unlucky and… Read more »
http://classicalvalues.com/2018/02/it-was-the-drugs-that-did-it/
Some of the side effects of antidepressants include aggression, agitation, changes in behavior, hallucinations, suicidal thoughts — and homicidal ideation.
Rollo Tomassi
February 19, 2018 at 6:16 pm
If you go down into the comments of the ZeroHedge link you will get more on the anti-depressant angle.
Evidently there is a move in Congress to restrict semi-automatic weapons. i.e. just about all of them. No mention of anti-depressant drugs anywhere except in a few places on the ‘net.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkJwFRAwDNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOXeQUIxKyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp6fZrzgiHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOsgDkeH52o&list=PLxILd8__iAa788jtjvFa3I8LiYxv-nq1D
SJF
February 19, 2018 at 7:42 pm
Are men necessary?
Do you like electricity in your home?
I think I’ll drop several copies of this somewhere.
[…] is a lot of talk in the manosphere that this is what happens when you attempt to turn boys into girls. It’s all well and good to […]
Good post Rollo. Well done on the reblog, well written by the original author.
Very touchy. Amin. To be printed and distributed to all men and fathers.
rugby11
February 19, 2018 at 9:38 pm
Fr. Boyle, “We have forgotten that we belong to each other.”
I’d rather not be owned. Thank you very much.
BTW we had quite a gang problem in the 1920s and we know what caused it.
And note: the single mother problem is in part due to mass incarceration.
http://issues.org/13-2/courtw/
Guess what causes mass incarceration? The same thing responsible for financing gangs.
This stuff is so hard to figure out. It is like we have never come up against these problems before.
This is part of a larger push to ruin this nation:
Rollo Tomassi February 19, 2018 at 6:16 pm “This is what happens when a boy is raised in this paradigm and there’s no Red Pill father/mentor to direct him.” Thanks Rollo for pointing this out. Nobody, I mean absolutely nobody in the mainstream media will dare to acknowledge this. But why just blame the mainstream media, try telling this to your wife, girlfriend, mother or sister and watch their response. The average women today, tradcon or not, will refute the claim that a father is needed to raise children. And the main reason for this is too much prosperity. The… Read more »
Listening to NPR–The tactic being pushed by the author of an article in The New Yorker to bring down Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas is to get him on perjury. He allegedly grabbed multiple woman’s asses and she believes that it could be proven that he lied under oath because multiple women say that he did.
Etile
You trolling or just naive ?
“I’ve noticed also recently is not just an attack on men in general anymore, but now increasingly a specific focus on “white men”. ”
As a group white men (single and married) and married white women defeated Hillary.
This is the last roadblock.
Meanwhile Black Panther screenings are used for voter registration drives.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-panther-inspires-voter-registration-effort-wakandathevote-1086182
It’s all about the conquer.
M Simon Actually none of what’s happening is hard to figure out at all. What’s puzzling everyone is the ” target “. The methods are the same as they have been for close to 300 years, but the target has shifted. The Lynch letter concerning how to control your slaves is specific regarding the targeting of the children. Fathers have to be minimized, and mothers will carry out a Master’s wishes/instruction in a misguided attempt to teach her children how to remain ” safe “. It becomes perpetual. The reasons for gangs is also not complicated. Isolation from larger culture.… Read more »
Divide and conquer is American males recipe for disaster, as it is designed. Other men, as a whole, ” the other ” is obfuscation on the highest order and a useless knee jerk reaction that successfully turns men against men. According to plan. But we can try it out. Lol. Divide up into little groups and target other men. More fuckery will ensue. But the end result will be chaos that’s totally avoidable and unnecessary. Misguided anger won’t stop guided targeting. I’ve never, ever been defeated by an angry opponent in the ring. I loved when they got in the… Read more »
…. Btw, anyone know what’s happening to ” traditional ” marriage/family?
Anyone??
Bueller??
Bueller??
@Blax
You believe slavery actually happened?
Lol nah. It’s an inconsequential fairy tale, but it has lessons.
My great grandfather took my to see dilapidated ” slave quarters ” when i was very young, but for all I know they were fake. Like a Disney theme park ride.
http://people.com/sports/winter-olympics-2018-johnny-weir-tara-lipinski-figure-skating-commentary-friendship/ A geisha boy? From the article, right off the bat, the insidious propagandist intent to poison nature is blatantly self-evident…. “Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski are changing the face — or rather, the voice — of figure skating commentary.” ….and the entire culture…extending globally…no doubt. It’s what the puppet masters want. There is a very specific reason we are seeing this. Also from the article… “After a successful run in Sochi as commentators for NBC Sports Network, the pair were bumped up to primetime in Pyeongchang, serving as the lead commentators for NBC’s men’s singles, ladies’ singles and pairs… Read more »
@ Rollo, nice post ! This is a complicated situation with the boys, I am the dad of a young boy and yeah they are being 100% indoctrinated with an agenda as far as school goes, any school: charter/public/private/religious. He attends a public school which is 90% female in terms of staff, and honestly most of the staff I can see have their heart in the right place and believe they are doing the right thing. However, the key word is believe, unfortunately, misguided at best. When I contrast how I grew up to that of my son, it’s a… Read more »
Fromt the post:
“In the handful of decades I’ve been alive, I’ve seen America shift from a culture of responsibility to one of blame. We don’t solve problems anymore. We cry, we pray for, we seek to find closure, and then finally, slaughter a sacrificial lamb for our sins. ”
This is key, to assign real responsibility would require a real examination of the actors and their actions in the situation and that’s just not going to happen because it would require truth.
The other meta divide
Urban/Rural
“I contrast this to my son and my life now, no longer living in rural America but rather in the metros/suburbs. ”
http://brilliantmaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2016nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.png
In case anyone lives anywhere near here
@NBTM: From the article – “In the past, commentary has been mostly forgettable, a basic summary of what’s going on the ice peppered with compliments. Lipinski and Weir take a different approach. They’re blunt and don’t mince words. If something goes poorly — and of course, it often does — they will tell it like it is.” That means they are just being “basic bitches”. “That’s the worst short program I’ve ever seen from Nathan Chen,” Weir remarked after Team USA superstar skater Chen fell in his short program during the team competition. “Disastrous.” His remarks about the rest of… Read more »
NBTM, I don’t have TV or cable or anything so I’ve missed most of the Oly’s, but I did, unfortunately, catch some skating and saw that thing and actually LOL’d to the point where I drew some suspicious glares from a couple of girls at the bar once they realized what got me going. The rest of what I’ve seen of the Olys has been almost entirely go-girl propaganda. The silver lining being that those cunty USA skiers who are incessantly featured in the little promo packages celebrating their fempower are coming up short in the end. So I’m all… Read more »
@FoxGuy, “He attends a public school which is 90% female in terms of staff, and honestly most of the staff I can see have their heart in the right place and believe they are doing the right thing.” True, but even worse for those boys without fathers. I have a 5y/o nephew who has literally NO men in his life. Single mom. Single grandmother. His mom’s friends are: lesbian couple and other single mom. School is 90% female like most. His “therapist” is female. His special Ed teachers/handlers are female. Why special Ed? See: single mom and no men in… Read more »
Razorwire
February 20, 2018 at 8:48 am
RITALIN.
The parents have to give permission. We got asked back in the 90s. We said, “NO”. The LTR and I were adamant on the subject.
In regards to the recent school shootings: http://classicalvalues.com/2018/02/it-was-the-drugs-that-did-it/
There are no excuses. Please stop trying to find alternative answers. 50 years ago, there weren’t mass shootings or school shootings taking place with regularity. I have to say that this is what I find frustrating about American society. Still trying to excuse shitty, homicidal behavior by finding that ” something ” that could be ” the cause ” outside of the culture itself. American culture is the cause. Why aren’t mass shootings happening anywhere else with regularity? I think this is the 12th mass shooting incident this year. Is everyone on anti depressants? This is a uniquely American phenomenon,… Read more »
Popping up from the Last House On The Left to add these: 1) “Blaming All Men” is the same false flag for the lefties as the SoCon rightie-tighties saying all these shootings are because of “the rap industry” (wha?), “those nasty videogames” (such as? Dungeons and Dragoons?) and that “violent heavy metal music” (from people like, uh, uh, Marilyn Manson or NIN or Twisted Sister – now senior citizen cunts all?). 2) The PC refinement to blaming “white men” instead of “all men” is a SJW course correct – someone over there figured out that in a real sense they’d… Read more »
I see Blax and I have been reading each others’ mail again. Stop copying me while I’m copying you!
.. Damn fred. I was listening to MM ” Killing Strangers ” in the shower, and came back to read your comment.
I feel so dirty now I might need a 2nd shower.
The link within the Zerohedge link pointing to a “missing link” https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/brian-wilson/the-missing-link/ When you ingest your next full helping of ABCCBSNBCCNNFOX News, observe the number of commercials for Viagra, SeeAlice, Lipizzaner, FaithandBegorium and a medicine chest full of other strangely named pills and liquids with Warning Disclaimers speed-read by the off-stage announcer. Do you think Pfizer (Prozac, Zoloft, Xanax), Paxil, Wellbutrin (GlaxoSmithKline), Ritalin (Novartis), Lexapro (Forest), Luvox (Abbott Labs) , Ambien (Sanofi) would appreciate having their advertising dollars spent on reporting they may be the manufactures of certain medications occasionally having serious anti-social side-effects on young patients? Similarly, would health… Read more »
If you look on the Drudge Report the killer Cruz is in court and cnn is recording it. All the prosecution and defense lawyers and the judge are all females.
@M Simon “The parents have to give permission.” I’ve known a few couples along the way who have similarly refused. Part of the issue here is parents, not parent. Most parents defer to the school system, but single moms are the least likely to put up a fuss. They are already burned out by the problems their kid presents at school. The teachers are the same. Most I know can pick out the kids of single parents straight away. Everyone is solving for the path of least resistance all around. There is a funnel approach where steering toward meds from… Read more »
Interesting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States#Number_of_shootings_per_century
While a long history of school shootings, significant uptick since the 1980’s
Antiviruses are toxic to toxic viruses. They cancel each other out. Dont fall into the frame, amplify (minus the agree part)
Don’t take too much comfort in “the parents have to give permission.” If you deny your kids medication deemed necessary, you will have a social worker show up at your door and tell you that you are required to give your permission. If you refuse the social worker, the next day you will have a police show with a subpoena requiring you to appear in court, and the judge will tell you that your permission is required. Guess what happens if you don’t follow what the court orders you to do? The weird shit is that they won’t just give… Read more »
I posted that Dennis Dutton article ages ago:
https://therationalmale.com/2012/03/30/is-there-anything-good-about-men/
@Sentient, maybe this is conjecture but perhaps our social insistence on medicating boys for “disruptive” behavior (boys are defective girls) is a reason for the rise in SSRI prescriptions?
@Sentient. Yep. Big Pharma lobby is one of (if not THE) biggest. NRA? $5MM. vs. Pharma $3.5B. Or somesuch. TV/Media ad revenue? Pharma. The culture is toxic indeed. The other side of the drugged-up coin is health and nutrition. The first-world version of nutritional famine is real. The chronic disease rate among children is astronomical. Look up some stats. If you live in a bubble like me you will have no idea how shitty the epidemiology looks. Obese and diabetic parents make their kids the same. Who will take these kids to the park, hiking, hunting, fishing? I read a… Read more »
Sigma
February 20, 2018 at 11:19 am
I suppose I was lucky. I wrote for an alternative newspaper at the time (Libertarian Perspective in a communist rag – we agreed on the Drug War) and they knew if they pulled anything I would cause a shit storm.
If i mentioned my name to an officer – they ALL knew me. I was interfering with their cash cow.
The editor actually asked me to stop writing because they were getting so much flack from local establishment.
Rollo
Sentient, maybe this is conjecture but perhaps our social insistence on medicating boys for “disruptive” behavior (boys are defective girls) is a reason for the rise in SSRI prescriptions?
Could be. Whether it is cause or effect, drugging is an issue. And the money. All serve the end goals of Equalist owners. Now where the apparent rise in female teacher / male student sex figures in is a question? Perhaps they can’t help themselves to the only Alpha they see? Keep a few defect free…
Razorwire
February 20, 2018 at 11:40 am
And what drug is #1 for inflammation? Cannabis.
Look up – cytokine cascade cannabis.
So the FI social engineers suck at their job?! We should remind them that wishful thinking is not thinking.
@Razorwire I hear you man, I actually use that same expression that it’s straight up child abuse especially on the nutrition piece at public schools. Breakfast will be stuff like muffins or cakes(not joking), no eggs or beans at all like when I was in school. They say they care about the kids, but that right there is sending them on a straight diabetic train, I let my son eat once a week from the cafeteria, usually when it’s pizza ,is the day he chooses and breakfast once a week also other than that it’s lunch from home, proper nutrition… Read more »
goddamn, razor is sharp as fuck today
nearly cut my eyeballs on that shit, I hope you get snowed in more often
re: Dennis Dutton links upthread (Is There Anything Good About Men? by Roy F. Baumeister)…. great read and articulation of many RP points
plus, it’s not a difficult read and shorter than most of sjf’s posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers
On SSRIs, a young guy at work is on them (late 20s), he is up and down on them, sometimes really happy , sometimes down, and rapid cycling within the same day it seems. Not a good idea to mess with brain processes/chemicals externally , you are asking for trouble but it doesn’t take some genius to figure that out. I was at the doctors last year and could overhear the conversation in the next room and it was young guy afraid to go on SSRIs or some type of mental medication, and he was concerned about it altering his… Read more »
Thanks MSimon, I will check it out. I’ve done a lot of rudimentary study of cannabinoids as part of an abandoned start-up in CBD, but haven’t dug into it in a while. That kind of signaling and mobility of inflammation is part of the depression/mood disorder link too; inflammation flowing into the brain directly and wreaking havoc. Fascinating stuff. I’m near-convinced that systemic inflammation is a huge (of course interrelated) area of study that has potential to crack open some longstanding mysteries and misunderstandings. One more area where the internet and some self-directed gumption is leading individuals out of their… Read more »
“The world needs you.”
I suspect the vast majority of men who realize the lies they’ve been sold will take the Rorschach of Watchmen line of thinking in reaction to that plea:
“…all the whores and politicians will look up and shout ‘Save us!’… and I’ll look down and whisper ‘No.'”
If you expect men to save the world, you damn well better give them incentive to save it.
“If you expect men to save the world, you damn well better give them incentive to save it.”
sheesh sun, not gonna preach to you but I’d hope that it’s not all that gloom and doom
the beauty is that a man need only save himself and that’s incentive enough; and by doing this, he will be doing his part to save the world
I don’t expect every man to make it but that’s his choice, and that’s no different that for anything else, just like it’s always been for men
Sun Wukong
February 20, 2018 at 1:15 pm
If you expect men to save the world, you damn well better give them incentive to save it.
Just to prove we can do it? Because it is Tuesday?
@dr zipper
I didn’t say they should put it that way, but from what I’ve seen that’s the general reaction to a mere taste of The Red Pill. Most guys don’t get through to the other side to find hope, hence the reason the most visible Red Pill demographic I’ve seen has been the very angry side of MGTOW. Even in my own personal experience the trip has not been easy by any stretch.
It’s unfortunate, but I suspect the story does not positively in general.
Razorwire, Sentient, FoxGuy: Adding to all your unassailable data, here’s a reminder from the Capt. Obvious Dept.: All this dosing of children with SSRI’s, amphetamines (Ritalin) and diazepams (anti-depressants) were complete baldface fucked in the head EXPERIMENTS. None of these compounds was indicated for pediatric use when they were approved. No diagnostic studies were done on children with them. Nor could they have been. (Want parent would agree to subjecting a kid to a long terms drug test protocol with no guarantee how it would fuck them up down the road?). So all of this was done “off-label”, as the… Read more »
It’s amazing how the modern young’uns are so resistant to a simple paleo-like diet, exercise, sunshine, and analogue hobbies. We are truly getting disconnected from the younger generation.
@FoxGuy Thanks. Part of the motivation to move close to my nephew is that I have been working with versions of him for several years and have seen his future in their evolution. Its tragic. When I work with these boys it is hard NOT to see so much beauty and potential in them. But you’d also have to be blind to not see that they are starving. Their bellies are not distended and there are no flies pestering their eyes, but they are in a famine. The isolation, disenfranchisement, self-loathing, anger, resentment, frustration, and the medicated no-mans-land into which… Read more »
O.T. Gun violence is no laughing matter (but irony is. lol!):
https://youtu.be/B36d4AC8nfE?t=3m2s
@Incubus-rising
“From the article – “In the past, commentary has been mostly forgettable, a basic summary of what’s going on the ice peppered with compliments. Lipinski and Weir take a different approach. They’re blunt and don’t mince words. If something goes poorly — and of course, it often does — they will tell it like it is.”
That means they are just being “basic bitches”.”
Yes. But, mostly it is written to frame these clowns as being honest…..both are walking lies.
@Blaximus February 20, 2018 at 9:31 am There are no excuses. Please stop trying to find alternative answers. 50 years ago, there weren’t mass shootings or school shootings taking place with regularity. I have to say that this is what I find frustrating about American society. Still trying to excuse shitty, homicidal behavior by finding that ” something ” that could be ” the cause ” outside of the culture itself. American culture is the cause. Why aren’t mass shootings happening anywhere else with regularity? I think this is the 12th mass shooting incident this year. Is everyone on anti… Read more »
lol
https://twitter.com/PTcarlo/status/965738847744163840
@ Razorwire
Re: Gut stuff
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/catalyst/SC1502H024S00
Rollo: “For the moment gyonocentrism must content itself to capitalize on human tragedies to emphasize its new masculinity = bad narrative. The Las Vegas shooting was the first paradigm shift in this respect.”
Don’t forget Newtown CT, a much closer fit for your point. Vegas fell off the radar screen quickly and oddly.
I said the same thing. Nobody even mentions Vegas until recently. It’s like it never happened.
“I said the same thing. Nobody even mentions Vegas until recently. It’s like it never happened.”
Just throw out Harvey and change the narrative and its water under the bridge ( Since vegas was pretty bad and even “average people noticed” (Nothing adds up lol))……. Not hard to distract people from things that actually matter.
Then after every shooting push for gun control and if it goes back switch the narrative and rinse/repeat
Which goes back to the point I was attempting to make earlier. There’s something really, really wrong with the culture, and it only goes in one direction: down.
This , I believe, is what happens when men are basically zeroed out as a whole in society. It goes off the rails in slow motion, with barely a whimper in the process.
Lol, maybe Mexico should build a wall ( and pay for it ) to keep us in.
“This , I believe, is what happens when men are basically zeroed out as a whole in society. It goes off the rails in slow motion, with barely a whimper in the process. Lol, maybe Mexico should build a wall ( and pay for it ) to keep us in. Holy shit. I have this Mexican really attractive (in an organic way, masculine although cute) Internal Resident working with me on a rotation to learn Dermatology this month. (His life and his wife revolves around how his Visas operate. He Ubers to my office. He hopes he can get a… Read more »
good humans.
In Mexico, you don’t need prescriptions to get practically anything. You can walk into practically any ” drug store ” and purchase whatever you want, fairly cheaply.
O/T.but I’ll leave this here as well ( I left it in No Prescriptions )
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTWJfX0bx30&w=1280&h=720%5D
As men, we are fighting a very strong current, fighting up a hill and the losses are very very steep at the moment. When you get up to the top of the hill there is another bigger hill that must be conquered and so on, it’s grueling, anyone telling you it isn’t so is bullshitting you. Make no mistake, the path forward will be very very tough for everyone involved, these shootings are just a shadowing of what is to surely come, when society and culture devolves down to it’s lowest common denominator. However, there is hope, a lot of… Read more »
For you all stuck in the mud melancholics:
https://youtu.be/-YP3pIPp8P8
Razorwire Me and you are both in the same boat everything you wrote on this post is a co sign from me. My nephew had a nightmare 2 days ago about me dying. My folks just confronted me about it. Patrick died by suicide 2 yrs ago. At times i know how much he and me mean to each other. Hes mother is a single mom who’s teacher’s came to are house today to come meet with him. Stayed until they both came over, both female… His dad isn’t around but just got done with speaking to my mom about… Read more »
Blaximus
February 20, 2018 at 7:32 pm
It is very obvious that the guy giving the interview is not paying attention. He is probably part of the “woke” crowd. LOL.
> As men, we are fighting a very strong current, fighting up a hill and the losses are very very steep at the moment. When you get up to the top of the hill there is another bigger hill that must be conquered and so on, it’s grueling, anyone telling you it isn’t so is bullshitting you. Men have always had to fight ‘mother nature’ to get where they are. The nature of their challenges has changed somewhat, but do remember we came from much more difficult circumstances than the comforts of today. Also the whole thing that a father… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if9p1TnDvRY
http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/eBooks/Russia/BOOKS/Turgenev/Fathers%20and%20Sons%20Turgenev.pdf
In defense of recess http://reason.com/archives/2018/02/19/when-school-kids-lose-their-re One teacher chimed in to defend the practice—”We work with kids who are coming to [us] from all sorts of situations. I think a lot of times, these kids need to be held accountable for poor decisions”—but most of the people who responded were parents with horror stories. Christine Davis, an organizer with Arizonans for Recess, forwarded me a front-page story from Phoenix’s North Central News showing a gaggle of second graders sitting against posts. A parent snapped the photo “because district leadership was denying that recess was being withheld,” she says. Davis’ group tried… Read more »