The Creep – Part 2

Just so we’re clear here, yes, I get that there are a lot of ways to take the term ‘creepy’. In last week’s essay I wanted to dig into what women claim is ‘creepy’ and how this term is really another illustration of ambiguous fem-speak rooted in how a guy makes a woman feel. Furthermore, this feeling is modified by where that man is stationed in her perception of his sexual market value (SMV).

Last week I got linked a Tweet about ‘creeps’ by Roosh (he still hates me). He had a good point, and I paraphrase,

“Creeps are just guys that go from 0-100 in sexualizing a conversation with a woman way too fast. A good PUA knows that slow and steady sexualization works best.”

Take that how you want, but I think this is definitely part of the creep dynamic. There’s a bit more to being creepy than overly fast sexualization (or presumed familiarity); we’ve got to account for a Blue Pill / Beta guy’s lack of social intelligence to understand that taking it slow should be something he knows already. And still, how can we presume this slow and steady sexualization is a proficient form of seduction when we see more Alpha, more immediately arousing men, go from 0-100 themselves and get a same night lay? I’ve done this myself more than a few times back in a time when there was no formal Game to be had. Right guy, right place, right time, and 0-100 is what a woman is hoping will happen. Hypergamy is nothing if not pragmatic.

That said, I am convinced that this over-investment, too quick, too soon is definitely part of the creepy dynamic. I’ve made the call in several prior posts that it’s part of the Beta mindset to want to bypass the arousal and attraction phases of seduction to go directly to rapport. Thus, you get a guy who shares too much way too soon and this itself is creepy for women. It’s a huge telegraphing of that guy’s state of desperation and optionlessness. There’s no mystery left about the guy (assuming the girl even had an initial attraction) and nothing left to figure out. This over-sharing is also a huge red flag to women’s Hypergamous filters; it’s an indication that a guy ‘doesn’t get it’ with regard to how to play the Game with her.

You see, this rush to get to comfort and rapport is usually because that ‘creep’ is anxious to get past the arousal phase, the sexual tension, because he has no clue what to do in that phase. It’s a real source of anxiety for him, and besides, every woman he’s ever asked has said she needed to be comfortable with a guy before she has sex with him (false). Comfort, rapport, familiarity (all of which are anti-seductive) should be where the sex begins to his way of thinking, so again, male deductive logic would follow that getting there quickly would be pragmatic.

When a more Alpha, natural, moves quickly it’s almost always because he’s working with a receptive (proceptive) woman. As I mentioned before, arousal covers for a lot of men’s deficits in Game or feelings of creepery.

The Creeps

As most readers will have probably guessed I’ve timed the release of this series to address the current Hysteria of sexual assault / harassment / rape charges that are  moving like wildfire through Hollywood first, and now through the rest of our pop-culture social strata. While it may be satisfying to see mealy-mouth self-righteous actors and moguls take a fall, it’s important to see the larger social mechanics in play here.

I wrote that essay over a year ago and I’ll say now that I’d never dreamed how prophetic that post would turn out. Criticizing this #MeToo sexual assault hysteria is next to impossible. For the same reasons no one wanted to question the veracity of the UVA fraternity rape hoax that Rolling Stone and Sabrina Erdley perpetrated – no one now wants to question the accusations leveled at the various personalities being conveniently outed for sexual assault/harassment that in some cases occurred 30-40 years ago. We are expected to believe the testimonies of women without question.

This isn’t to say that the celebrities involved didn’t do what their accusers are saying they did, it’s that we are expected to accept that this behavior is endemic in all men, and based on the same principle of believing whatever a woman has to say about it with no afterthought given to its truth or her motives. It’s one thing to presume that whenever a woman comes forward with a rape or assault claim we are expected to presume the man guilty until proven innocent, but we’re rapidly reaching a point where any claim a woman has about a man bears that same weight. When it comes down to ‘he said, she said’, what she said will hold the full weight of the law.

Our Feminine-primary social order is now repurposing this ironclad believability of women – and presumed guilt of men – for every crime a woman ‘feels’ she’s been a victim of at the hands of a man. At the same time we see sexual harassment being defined as something that even a wink from a man can convey, we also see the rapid criminalization of men  who would dare to talk to a woman they don’t already know.

When we combine this overarching presumption of male guilt with the potential crime of men dealing with a woman with the intent of establish intimacy, and then add to it the ever changing definition of what can constitute sexual assault or harassment (and with a uniquely endless statute of limitations), we begin to get a clearer picture of the direction the Feminine Imperative has for men.

I’m sure this all seems very reactionary, but so was the questioning of Sabrina Erdley’s story about a nameless girl who was violently raped on the shattered glass of a broken coffee table by fraternity boys. Once again, I’m not saying sexual assault doesn’t happen, I’m saying that the direction gynocentrism is taking is one in which men ought to lose rights and liberties that only women ought to be the judges of.

Creepiness is a feeling women get from men who lack the social skills to ‘just get it’ that they are or aren’t into them. What this distills down to on a root level is women’s presuming that men should know better than to approach them when they are beneath their Hypergamous attraction floor. It is the criminalization of men not understanding how they fit into women’s sexual strategies. I made a case for this in The Political is Personal. The more men resist the social intents of Hypergamy, the more it will become necessary to legislate men to comply with it.

Feminine-primary social doctrine is an extension of  women’s Hypergamy.

Any deviation from this is on the part of  men is met with a cultural reprisal designed to convince or coerce men to accept their inevitable role in providing those entitlements to women. When those social contingencies fail, or become played out, the Feminine Imperative then appeals to legal legislation to mandate men’s compliance to what amounts to women’s social entitlement to optimized Hypergamy.

We’re rapidly reaching this peak Hypergamous state. As I mentioned in Male Control, since the Las Vegas shooting the narrative of masculinity has shifted. There is no more “toxic” masculinity – it’s masculinity on-whole that is toxic. As Open Hypergamy becomes more institutionalized and made a societal norm by the Feminine Imperative, and as more men become Red Pill aware (by effort or consequences) because of it, the more necessary it will become for a feminine-primary social order to legislate and mandate men comply with it.

In the Zone

Morpheus had a great comment last week that hit on what I went into in Sexual Zoning:

The term “creep” can really lead in a bunch of different directions discussion wise, but I think a really big one is “sexual zones” vs “non-sexual zones”. Increasingly, there are all sorts of places where the default presumption is that women should be “free from” male advances. Work, school, etc. In these zones, the margin for error is very small. Unless you are an objectively visually attractive man with super tight game, the odds of you being perceived as a “creep” are much, much higher. In sexual zones, such as the Friday night bar, your margin for error is higher. The default presumption is men are there to meet women. You still need to have the right social vibe and not come across as a weirdo but you have a little more room to play with.

And from that post:

I would argue that a large majority of men accused of sexual harassment or even just suspected of impropriety are men who’ve found themselves in an environment they believed was an acceptable sexual zone. We are fast approaching a time when all zones will be so arbitrary and ambiguous that every environment with sexual potential will be avoided. This will have the effect of putting women into unilateral control of their own Hypergamy. It will be a state of Sadie Hawkins world – only women will make approaches on men and only those who match her Hypergamous ideal, an ideal fostered and reinforced by a steady diet of social media ego inflation.

A while ago I read this piece about Mike Pence:

“In 2002, Mike Pence told The Hill that he never eats alone with a woman other than his wife and that he won’t attend events featuring alcohol without her by his side, either.”

Naturally the media wants to pass this off as some masculine insecurity on Pence’s part. Certainly there’s a religious reason for Pence not wanting to present any perception of impropriety – I’ve know pastor who will never have closed door meetings with women or do counseling for women without their wives present – but there is a practical side to this habit. It prevents the accusations and opportunity for anything like what we’re seeing in the accusation cycling through Hollywood today. But still, shaming the masculine is the first reflex for the mainstream media.

This Atlantic article is an exercise in deliberately not seeing the intersexual writing on the wall. This is the practical contingency for a social order bent on removing men via accusations of sexual misconduct. Yet still, for all of the inherent dangers of a frivolous sexual harassment suit at the disposal of any and every western woman, men are supposed to leave themselves vulnerable to them:

Pence is not the only powerful man in Washington who goes to great lengths to avoid the appearance of impropriety with the opposite sex. An anonymous survey of female Capitol Hill staffers conducted by National Journal in 2015 found that “several female aides reported that they have been barred from staffing their male bosses at evening events, driving alone with their congressman or senator, or even sitting down one-on-one in his office for fear that others would get the wrong impression.” One told the reporter Sarah Mimms that in 12 years working for her previous boss, he “never took a closed door meeting with me. … This made sensitive and strategic discussions extremely difficult.”

This is the social environment feminism and our gynocentric social order has chosen to establish for men and women. Men pragmatically look for ways to guard themselves against allegation, and yet are shamed for that sensibility. It’s gotten (or will get) to the point where old books “decent” behavior is too risky to engage in in the modern workplace. Powerful men must hide behind open doors, and still those men are shamed for being prudent. Why?

We live in a new era where marriage has become disincentivized for men by the risks of capital loss in divorce that overwhelmingly favors women with cash & prizes. Now add to this the increasing ego entitlements of women to high value men. As the prospect of marriage looks less and less like a good deal for men wanting to protect themselves there comes a need for women to create ways to bypass the requirement for marriage to access men’s capital. Enter the era of increasingly more nebulous, acrimonious, accusations of sexual harassment or assault and de facto believability of women’s testimony. Exit the era of frivolous divorce (okay maybe not entirely) and enter the era of more easily accessible capital via frivolous sexual assault lawsuits.

More to come in part 3.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

535 comments on “The Creep – Part 2

  1. Sentient

    Okay. Maybe later. Too much to type on this tablet with my thumbs. And you’re correct that I do have a definite definition of the mindset in my head, and I think it pretty much to!lows other definitions we’ve seen in the sphere, except I personally don’t assign alpha status based solely on fame and money ( although they aren’t disqualifiers ) and I’m leery and suspicious of guys falling for that hat trick – which is fairly common nowadays.

    Imo ” alphas ” are as rare as 7 foot tall men. The biggest population of alphas are in our prison system and our grave yards. Lol.

  2. “I think it pretty much to!lows other definitions we’ve seen in the sphere, except I personally don’t assign alpha status based solely on fame and money”

    Yeah these dog logic “definitions” are sorely lacking… For one of course fame and money are effects… Not causes.

  3. What is alpha?

    Rollo posted something about what is alpha once upon a time. Maybe someone will provide a link. Oh, oh, oh, me me me.

    https://therationalmale.com/2014/11/02/alpha-tells/

    https://therationalmale.com/2012/02/21/defining-alpha/

    There are alpha traits and beta traits and most men show a combo of those which vary with time. When a man tends to show more alpha traits, then that man is alpha. Otherwise, he is beta. Musk and Depp and Pitt show many beta traits from what we can tell in the media. These guys brag on their women, which is a strong signal telling us that they lack frame control and are more invested in the relationship than their women are. This is a very beta trait.

    Hollywood men have status and looks, so it’s tempting to call them alpha. They get dumped easily, it seems, so it’s hard to think of them as alpha.

  4. Once again, Blax can’t explain because he is a Natural that didn’t have to think about his actions for the last 35 years. He didn’t have to study it over that time frame, so he didn’t prepare for the lecture that you are asking him to give.

    That’s admirable. From all of Blax’s comments he’s a reflection of Alpha. You know it when you see it.

    It’s not a problem that he can’t explain, it is a problem when he can’t spot what the difference is between Depp and Musk. Depp had been Alpha.

    I don’t see Johnny Depp as being anything less than Alpha up until, he became a drunken captain and hooked up with Amber Heard. Prior to that he was enigmatic, driven and attractive (based on old interviews, that guy was talented as an actor and movie star). Both physically and psychologically alpha attractive. But then during the Amber two years, seems he lost his way.

    Alpha/Beta and agency depend on the Red Pill/Blue pill modifier.

    Elon Musk=cringeworthy as a Blue Pill.

    Johnny Depp=depends on what he gets and how he proceeds. Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp kind of succumbed to some of their drug and alcohol fueled habits (probably because of some non red pill stress with women) and lost some agency at some point. They could have performed better in their burden of performance. (Pitt could have not married the serial adopter of lots of children. Depp could have not married and sunk into so much of a drunk captain-ship. Then he screwed the pooch–crashed and burned, fucked up, dropped the ball)

  5. @Sentient

    Pretend your name was Webster… Gleen those posts and write your definition. Clock starts now…

    lol, you must have missed this…

    These guys brag on their women, which is a strong signal telling us that they lack frame control and are more invested in the relationship than their women are. This is a very beta trait.

  6. “Is that the “standard” definition you’re using or your own?”

    The standard definition looks like Greek to me.

    A man with an overloaded ass is definitely beta or has a good start on it. Doesn’t prove the opposite is true for an alpha, still a good indicator.

  7. @SJF

    You know how it goes when a man fucks up his head…he loses confidence in himself and starts saying shit like “I’m lucky to have her” and “She’s too good for me.” Then the girl agrees and starts showing contempt for the man and eventually dumps him.

  8. SJF

    “He didn’t have to study it over that time frame, so he didn’t prepare for the lecture that you are asking him to give.”

    Hold up Hoss… Blax said:

    ““Lol, Elon Musk is in no manner an alpha ( as I understand it to be defined, which is close to the standard definition )””

    Which implies he knows his own definition as well as the standard definition.

  9. ASD

    You are giving autists a bad name…

    “This is a very beta trait.”

    In the post that says alpha and beta traits exist in all? This is your borrowed definition of Alpha?

    Ok then…

  10. Roboto

    The graphic shows that women’s desire for betas decreases with age. It also shows that many young men have low testosterone. (Or else their women have made themselves too fat to be desirable.)

  11. “Our Feminine-primary social order is now repurposing this ironclad believability of women – and presumed guilt of men – for every crime a woman ‘feels’ she’s been a victim of at the hands of a man. At the same time we see sexual harassment being defined as something that even a wink from a man can convey, we also see the rapid criminalization of men who would dare to talk to a woman they don’t already know.”
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1898575/

    “When we combine this overarching presumption of male guilt with the potential crime of men dealing with a woman with the intent of establish intimacy, and then add to it the ever changing definition of what can constitute sexual assault or harassment (and with a uniquely endless statute of limitations), we begin to get a clearer picture of the direction the Feminine Imperative has for men.”
    http://www.sho.com/gigolos

  12. OLIVIER ZAHM — Your first love ended in disaster, then.
    TERRY RICHARDSON — Yeah. The first time I kissed a girl I was nine. Someone forced us to kiss, to make out. So we French-kissed. I was traumatized. I wasn’t ready. When I was young I had girls chasing me, calling my house, following me home, leaving me notes in my locker. But I was so shy. What’s that saying? “If I only knew then what I know now.” Sometimes I wish I was 13 and I could start all over. I mean, it was insane — I was so shy I would never make a move, ever. I was a late bloomer.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Why were you so shy?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — It’s probably got something to do with my mother. Traumatized by fear of rejection, having so little confidence with women. I was always nervous around women, especially if I liked them. I was afraid to make an advance. Even if a girl said, “I love you,” I would think she probably didn’t, really. Maybe that’s why I started drinking a lot. When I drank I was less withdrawn. It was easier for me to make a move, to be more aggressive.

  13. You never know at the time how your experiences shape you or translate in the future…

    OLIVIER ZAHM — She wanted to live surrounded by nature. I can understand that.
    TERRY RICHARDSON — Yeah. It made sense. But for my mom to leave my step-dad was fucking radical. But she did it. She fucking did it. She rented the goddamn little house she still lives in today. I remember going up there to visit before I finally moved up there. My step-dad took me. I started punching holes in the walls, screaming, “I don’t wanna be here!” I was a punk. Then the next-door neighbor kid came over. His name was Erik and he was a year younger than me. He said, like, “You wanna get high?” So we got high and rode skateboards. He ended up a punk like me. I shaved his head. Everyone at school was, like, “Wow!” I became the most famous kid in school. Everybody was in awe of me because I was from Hollywood. I became the star of the school.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — You were, what, 16 at this point?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — Yeah. Everyone was curious — all the girls, too. I started cutting kids’ hair, doing Mohawks. Starting a punk scene. We started a band and I started having crazy sex and group sex — did all the things I had never done before. All of a sudden it came to me. I had girlfriends who’d stay in bed and fuck all day, as many times as we could fuck, for hours — outside, in cars, in the woods, at school. You know what I mean? All of a sudden I just blossomed.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Out in the countryside.
    TERRY RICHARDSON — Yeah, in this little town. And there was coke, ecstasy, booze, weed, and every fucking kind of pill. We went to punk shows in Hollywood and Santa Barbara and saw Black Flag, The Misfits, The Dead Kennedys, and Bad Brains. There was a music scene called Nardcore — bands like Aggression, Ill Repute, and Dr. No. We called our band SSA. I was the big fish in the little pond. I was still angry and smashing up things. But I had so much fun. I got into more trouble there than I did in Hollywood, because all you can do in a small town in America is drink and have sex. [Laughs] There’s nothing to do! At night it’s deserted. There was only one stoplight in the town!

  14. Cats are ot dogs… And Alphas have very different reference experiences.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Did you fall in love during that time? Or did you just go from one girl to another?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — I was with a lot of different girls. I’d date someone for a month or two. I also had these two girls who’d come over for a three-way. But when I was 16, the drummer of the band I was in was sent to boarding school in England. He had a girlfriend named Marion, a very sexually active, very provocative, very beautiful girl.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — What was the drummer’s name?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — Reb. His girlfriend was this beautiful blonde with big tits — just so fucking hot. We started seeing each other, fooling around, having really intense sex, fucking for hours, doing everything — regular, anal, fucking in cars, in motel rooms. I fell completely in love with her.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Was she your first real love, then?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — It was sex and emotion. Sexual emotion — when your whole body is electric. Plus, she lived right up the street from me, just up the hill.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Was she the same age as you?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — A year younger. Everyone was after her. She was very promiscuous. But once we started seeing each other we fell completely in love. But things were kind of fishy. She’d go to LA and sleep with men for money. She’d go see a hairdresser in town and come back with a bag of coke and, like, a thousand dollars. She was 15 and turning tricks. I remember a limo picking her up and bringing her back a few days later. I was kind of OK with it. We had drugs and money. And she was mine, so it didn’t matter. But when I think back, it was weird to have a girlfriend who was such a nymphomaniac. She loved fucking — and all the attention she got from men.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Was she in love with you?
    TERRY RICHARDSON – Yeah, totally. But there was always something going on — and so many men were after her.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Were you jealous?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — Yeah. I’d get really jealous, and then we’d have even more intense sex. I was also drinking and getting high, and fooling around with little punk rock girls I’d hang out with and have sex with.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Secretly?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — I don’t think she knew. I didn’t say anything. This went on for four, five, maybe six really intense months. Then my friend — the drummer of my band — returned and wanted his girlfriend back.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Oh, shit!
    TERRY RICHARDSON — Yeah. But I kept fooling around with her, which was crazy. I was in love with her. She was mine. But he wasn’t giving her up. He started sleeping with her on the side, while I was still with her. He was seeing other girls, but still wanted her. It was the most intense kind of sexual jealousy imaginable. Jealousy is a horribly intense and violent emotion — painful and stressful. She loved to have sex, loved men’s attention, and loved to make men jealous.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — And you were all so young.
    TERRY RICHARDSON — And so free to experiment. I did things with her I’d never done with anyone else. When you really love someone the sex is so intense. You come at the same time. It’s physical and violent and powerful. It was all that stuff: the teenage crush, the other guy coming back, him and the girl starting to fool around, and him keeping up his pursuit of her. I was obsessed. Totally losing my mind. Hysterical. Smashing things. Always upset.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — How did it all turn out?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — One afternoon Marion called and said, “Terry, I really want to see you. Come up and see me, right now.” She was the kind of girl who could make you run. I don’t know if you’ve ever had that experience. I was so excited I fucking ran. I couldn’t get up there fast enough. And when you’re 16, you can really run, right? I mean, I ran right up that fucking hill! [Laughs] Maybe I hadn’t seen in her a few days. I’m thinking, “It’s gonna happen!” I opened the door of her house, and there’s the drummer, fucking her from behind. They both look up at me and say, “Hi, Terry!” And he’s smiling, like he’s laughing at me. I just fucking lost it. I ran back down the hill crying and screaming. It was the most traumatic and sadistic thing a woman ever did to me. It fucked me up for a long time. Just smashed me to pieces.

    OLIVIER ZAHM — Wow. What happened to the band?
    TERRY RICHARDSON — The drummer and I kept on playing together in it. But that’s another story.

    [To be continued]

  15. Uncomfortable father oversharing is a cliche in commercials, further shaming of the patriarchy.

    The above is EXACTLY what boys, sons should be reading. It isn’t porn, smut. It’s sympatheitic, relatable and hopefully actionable info for young men.

    What guy hasn’t felt the same as Terry Richardson in love, life? I have in my own way.

  16. I don’t know anything about this dude Richardson, but the interview is interesting in a lot of ways and gets me thinking a little.

    Don’t know his age, but there was a time period that seems in retrospect, to have been brief – 70’s through 80’s, when men were more willing to push themselves to gain/have experiences ( sex drugs and rock and roll… Lol ) that no longer exists in a way. And once you go through those times, you will never ever be the same person again. Could be a positive or a negative.

    I’d love to go have a steak dinner with this Terry guy and just talk, lol.

    I’m convinced girls and women haven’t changed at all. Feminism has broadly affected young and older men more than it has the average woman. In the aftermath both sexes wind up lost. That doesn’t change the fact that biologically men must lead and guide women, and since they are more ruled by emotions and drama and feelz, you’ll probably wind up having more sex than you can quantify.

    Harassment and abuse hysteria aside, culture and society crumbles when men are suckered and punished into abandoning their masculinity.

    And I don’t have any answers other than to keep fighting, keep standing up, keep gaining knowledge. It’s tough when there seems to be so many people and systems that just don’t like you simply for who you are and seek to control you to a point where you either come completely to heal, or you get banished.

    Ask me how I know this.☺

    ” Toxic Masculinity “. Your very Essence being deemed unacceptable. Something you have no control over being used against you, to negatively define you. You are a suspect of future transgressions simply by being born with testosterone and a penis.

  17. “There’s a bit more to being creepy than overly fast sexualization (or presumed familiarity)…”

    OTJ, no need for sexualization, as I’ve written before, 90% women aren’t attractive enough, too obese, slouchy, angry (they take pride in their bitchfaces, no joke) to deserve sexualization. It’s not getting better either.

    Here, young women, girls throw the pejorative “Creeper” like parade candy.

    Now, game is critical to surviving the imbalanced, psychotic female workplace expectancy. Game satisfies a woman co-worker’s hindbrain when they shit test you on the job…not that you’d ever fancy her, and it’s dangerous bait, but Beta response is not an option.

    There’s really no wrong answer sexual behavior for women here.

    For masculine men, game is matter of survival.

  18. Blaximus
    “And I don’t have any answers other than to keep fighting, keep standing up, keep gaining knowledge. It’s tough when there seems to be so many people and systems that just don’t like you simply for who you are and seek to control you to a point where you either come completely to heal, or you get banished.

    Ask me how I know this.☺

    Not sure if i shared this here but got banned from a climbing gym where i live for pointing out red pill truth’s in a blue pill context…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csg7EPXMQ6o
    (Men and Media)
    Culture alway’s win’s all great art is reflection againts the culture losing… 70’s 80’s
    The other day when i was doing a 50 mile run i ran with a girl who goes to the gym… She pointed out that when any new girl comes all the guy’s go over to flock to them.,,
    I smirked because even being banned made the transition to the red pill worth it… The social world we live in 2017 is erupting a massive need and demand for game because their is no balance… Are moms and sister’s are doing porn are culture is liberated from everything that has been tried for thousand’s of year’s…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZANAhnPDZk

    ” Toxic Masculinity “. Your very Essence being deemed unacceptable. Something you have no control over being used against you, to negatively define you. You are a suspect of future transgressions simply by being born with testosterone and a penis.”

  19. “I smirked because even being banned made the transition to the red pill worth it… ”

    The idea of liminal space (h/t Sentient) is important IMO as change isn’t fixed. We actively, sometimes passive agressively, enter insecurity as where we are now is intolerable.

    RP provides guidance through that space. In this way knowing RP does make the journey easier.

    I was trying to get at this thought earlier but was unclear.

    On liminal spaces:

    “People lose jobs they held for decades, get divorced after many years, or have to walk away from family due to a lifetime of little assaults that became too much. Though depression and anxiety can abate when one is removed from psychologically grueling situation loneliness might set in. Your sense of belonging, purpose and identity can be compromised if you have to change your job, leave your mate or create a new circle. Waking up with no clear plan or having no holiday ritual can be disorienting.”

  20. Charlie Rose.

    Watched CBS this morning to see if Mr Rose would be there. He’s suspended or whatever, so no dice.

    But what was fucked up imo, was his coworkers on camera basically turning on him and throwing him under a slow moving bus. Just last week the LOOOOOOVVVEEEDDDD Charlie. Laughing and being flirtatious. But now its time to close ranks so fuck Charlie.

    In a perfect world, men too would close ranks on a distinction between a Weinstein and everybody else. Every day someone else will be accused of ” touch ” and making someone feel ” uncomfortable ” a decade ago. Lots of men have been ” touched ” in work environments all across the land since women have been in the workforce in significant numbers. I once had a chubby woman back into me in the elevator at work, reach around behind her and fondle my dick. I didn’t run out screaming and crying to HR. I wasn’t scarred for life. I didn’t see her as a predatory pervert. I assumed she was so horny that it seemed like the thing to do, and she operated on the assumption that all men like their dicks fondled.

    I take the stairs.

    This retroactive hypersensitivity is total bullshit. Personally I don’t want to hear any of the ” he touched my ass 10 years ago ” bullshit, along with calls for men’s collective heads for acting like men while being in close confines with women. Call it a hazard of the job and keep it fucking moving.

    Am I now supposed to believe and accept that women can no longer grasp that men like women and possibly touching them, so much so that immediate actions must be taken against all men everywhere? Gtfoh with that madness.

    Yes, men have to be wiser and smarter in the work environment. That’s a given. But attraction to women, even when acted upon awkwardly and without due calibration is not rape or assault. Words must maintain some semblance of meaning. All of this massive and shared outrage is completely insane, and unfortunately a lot of males are going to be ruined before this shit show has run it’s course. No due process. No jury of your peers. No habeus corpus.

    This fuckery is violating the constitution.

  21. “Am I now supposed to believe and accept that women can no longer grasp that men like women and possibly touching them…”

    Not you. The other 80%.

    Here’s a personal analogy. 80% of men are being convinced an Operational License is better than an regular one.

    Men are allowed to work and work only. It’s critical for FI system integrity.

    The FI collapses, women wail, when men flee. Rollo’s floodwater example is apt.

  22. “That said, I am convinced that this over-investment, too quick, too soon is definitely part of the creepy dynamic.”

    Here’s OTJ flirting, taking it slow, something I’ve done for years:

    Me: Hi I’m Eh, your name?

    She: I’m Cassie.

    Me: Pause…..Cassie, huh? My high school locker neighbor was named Cassie. Cassie (give her a last name close to yours). Don’t tell her this but I had a puppy-crush on her.

    Haven’t got in trouble with that one…yet.

  23. Am I now supposed to believe and accept that women can no longer grasp that men like women and possibly touching them, so much so that immediate actions must be taken against all men everywhere?

    27K for not having sex is quite the incentive for those women who have put out every month for their BB husband who still does not have a solid retirement plan. Pretty sure that’s what women are grasping.

  24. Need some input guys (Unrelated to topic):

    Background:
    Early 30’s, dated for a few years, spinning plates off dating apps and sarging venues. Really liked one plate and let others go.

    LTR:
    In a LTR (7months) with a fairly smart introvert, has her masters in health industry and works in a hospital. Relationship is going good, have had minor issues raised that were worked through. Most of these were on her end from a place of insecurity, I was pushing too much on the alpha side and making her chase too much, also her not being able to figure me out as to where we stand. I cut some slack (not too much), and were now good.

    Issue:
    I notice she sometimes interrupts me/cuts me off mid convo to point out something random she may have noticed, could be in the environment or something but it’s completely unrelated to what I was speaking of. I regard myself above average in picking up on subtle cues of body language and communication, there are times when interrupting the flow on convo is acceptable, for example an emergency, something time sensitive, something related to the topic, this happens in debates all the time. My issue is when it’s those moments when I am telling her something about what happened with my friends or something I did on the weekend or a story and get interrupted by something she thinks “deserves” to be pointed out mid-sentence and is something random/unrelated/unimportant that could have waited a few seconds.

    Approach:
    So I started doing the same in return, would cut her off mid-sentence and start talking about something else but it never registered for her. So I called her out on it overtly, told her its rude in any given scenario whether it be with colleagues, family or friends. She went into defensive mode, pointing out she is a great communicator and has never had that experience with anyone else in her life.
    Her defense points and my comments:
    1. She strives to be a great communicator. (She is conflating this with serious discussions only, at which time she strives to hear the other person out with her full attention)
    2. She has never had this issue in her life with works, friends or family. (I am assuming no one has raised this with her before)
    3. Said she doesn’t have ADD but notices and picks up on a lot of different things, if she doesn’t say it she might forget it. (Weak)
    4. I should not be losing my train of thought and pick up right where I left off. (Weak, issue was with the initial interrupt, does not necessarily matter the meat of what I’m saying)
    5. It’s perhaps habitual, does not know she is doing it and its purely unintentional, respects me too much to not do it. (Leaning towards believing her as all other facets of the relationship validate this)
    6. Cried a lot when I told her about it, said it’s really hard hearing that from me because she respects me and my feedback. (Stayed unreactive and non-emotional, leaning towards believing this)
    7. Tried to explain she is still listening to my convo and multi-tasking with taking in the environment. (Weak, the fact of the interrupt was my issue, should have enough self-control)
    8. Used the relationship and the close connection we have so she can be herself/free but now she has to censor/filter. (Weak, I pointed out it’s not that at all but basic manners and speech etiquette, something I hold a standard to anyone and not just her)

    Questions:
    Does this seem like its intentional or habitual? She has accepted the fact that it is rude and that she is going to make an effort to not do it anymore, and from how she responded it seems it’s just how she operates, which would definitely be bad in the long term as its annoying as hell. I told her I will also make her aware when it does happen more often during the exact moment. I am just so dumbfounded that I even have to explain something like this to her, it’s so rudimentary. Looking to get input from you guys from the outside looking in, I don’t believe I am being uptight about out overly sensitive, she has told me numerous times I am really laid back in general (Amused mastery), but I think this is just basic self-respect and integrity that I would hold everyone I converse with accountable to.

  25. “My issue is when it’s those moments when I am telling her something about what happened with my friends….”

    Hi Bromeo,

    I submit stage 2 of betaization. Check it out:

    Seeking Communication “Open up to me, please.”

    Once a woman has tested the male, and is relatively sure that he is strong enough to serve her purposes, her concern begins to revolve around making the man serve her exclusively. Many men who are relatively strong and pass the tests of the first stage, fail to understand the meaning of this second stage. This stage is extremely difficult for the average man to detect. It is instinctually and often unconsciously masked by the woman as a purely innocent attempt to “communicate” with the male.

    What your communicating is less important to her than you. She’s got you communicating about things and cutting you off as she feels she can. She’s empowered.

    Beware tit for tat. That’s you responding to her. Try keeping your convos more akin to you answering her questions if you want to. You need not respond to all her inquiries and can turn many of her questions into cat and mouse play. Girls do love the playful chase. Less is more.

  26. @ Bromeo

    Hey man, people much?

    Does this seem like its intentional or habitual? She has accepted the fact that it is rude and that she is going to make an effort to not do it anymore, and from how she responded it seems it’s just how she operates, which would definitely be bad in the long term as its annoying as hell.

    So let me get this straight – You pointed out the interrupting thing, she acknowledges that it’s ” rude ” and that she would try to stop doing this, and you find it annoying as hell?

    Well, people have differing tolerance levels. 7 months in and now you’re starting to ” see ” things. I think lots of couple/people go through something like this, and for some it’s devastating, lol – ” I don’t understand why he just can’t put the fucking toilet seat down!!! He doesn’t have one ounce of RESPECT for me!!!! “.

    The question is how big of a deal are you willing to make of this? You need to determine if something like this will eventually drive you insane, even if she says she agrees with you and will try to cease interrupting.

    I told her I will also make her aware when it does happen more often during the exact moment ” <— Really dude? . I am just so dumbfounded that I even have to explain something like this to her, it’s so rudimentary. Looking to get input from you guys from the outside looking in, I don’t believe I am being uptight about out overly sensitive, <— I would say to think again, but you know what you can tolerate in life. she has told me numerous times I am really laid back in general (Amused mastery), but I think this is just basic self-respect and integrity that I would hold everyone I converse with accountable to.

    I don’t allow anyone to hold me to any kind of ” standard ” in order to converse with them, unless I work for them or I’m in the armed services. This is not about respect or anything like that, this is a personal hang up that you seem to have. Guys can have their own personal boundaries of what they consider acceptable behavior from a woman, and I think it’s wise to do so, but I’m not even feeling this right here.

    Lighten Up Francis.

  27. Eh

    everything isn’t a beta shit test.

    Have you not ever met someone, male or female, that displays the behavior that Bromeo speaks of above?

  28. “So let me get this straight – You pointed out the interrupting thing, she acknowledges that it’s ” rude ” and that she would try to stop doing this, and you find it annoying as hell?”

    Sorry, think I wasn’t clear there, I would be annoyed if this continued and wasn’t fixed in the long term.

    “Well, people have differing tolerance levels. 7 months in and now you’re starting to ” see ” things. I think lots of couple/people go through something like this, and for some it’s devastating, lol – ” I don’t understand why he just can’t put the fucking toilet seat down!!! He doesn’t have one ounce of RESPECT for me!!!! “.

    The question is how big of a deal are you willing to make of this? You need to determine if something like this will eventually drive you insane, even if she says she agrees with you and will try to cease interrupting.”

    That was something I have thought about, I definitely should have brought it up sooner but I felt it might have been just on the off chance but have definitely seen a pattern now.

    ” I told her I will also make her aware when it does happen more often during the exact moment ” <— Really dude?."

    Not sure the issue with this, if I am interrupted, I will call her out on it.

    "I don’t allow anyone to hold me to any kind of ” standard ” in order to converse with them, unless I work for them or I’m in the armed services. This is not about respect or anything like that, this is a personal hang up that you seem to have. Guys can have their own personal boundaries of what they consider acceptable behavior from a woman, and I think it’s wise to do so, but I’m not even feeling this right here."

    This makes me sound crazy lol, am I the only one that thinks its rude? I don't think I have explained it properly. I don't have this issue with anyone else, in work, friends, family. It registers completely differently when she does it and its only certain instances when it is 100% rude on her part, literally mid sentence and she mentions something completely irrelevant.

  29. What makes sense to me must make sense to you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8N3EztyOoA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Yb4npSI5rk
    “Enter the era of increasingly more nebulous, acrimonious, accusations of sexual harassment or assault and de facto believability of women’s testimony. Exit the era of frivolous divorce (okay maybe not entirely) and enter the era of more easily accessible capital via frivolous sexual assault lawsuits.”

  30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT5l_mGIcTA
    “Naturally the media wants to pass this off as some masculine insecurity on Pence’s part. Certainly there’s a religious reason for Pence not wanting to present any perception of impropriety – I’ve know pastor who will never have closed door meetings with women or do counseling for women without their wives present – but there is a practical side to this habit. It prevents the accusations and opportunity for anything like what we’re seeing in the accusation cycling through Hollywood today. But still, shaming the masculine is the first reflex for the mainstream media.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C-16N2fgEQ

  31. “Hi Bromeo,

    I submit stage 2 of betaization. Check it out:

    Seeking Communication “Open up to me, please.”

    Once a woman has tested the male, and is relatively sure that he is strong enough to serve her purposes, her concern begins to revolve around making the man serve her exclusively. Many men who are relatively strong and pass the tests of the first stage, fail to understand the meaning of this second stage. This stage is extremely difficult for the average man to detect. It is instinctually and often unconsciously masked by the woman as a purely innocent attempt to “communicate” with the male.

    What your communicating is less important to her than you. She’s got you communicating about things and cutting you off as she feels she can. She’s empowered.

    Beware tit for tat. That’s you responding to her. Try keeping your convos more akin to you answering her questions if you want to. You need not respond to all her inquiries and can turn many of her questions into cat and mouse play. Girls do love the playful chase. Less is more.”

    Not sure how to respond to this, I see the value from a gaming sense but we are talking about basic back and forth convo’s. Just getting information across.

  32. @Bromeo

    how’s negotiating that desire workin’ for ya?…lol…

    still getting bjs on the reg?… does she initiate sex at all/ever?… if the sex is still good, that’s a better tell of where you are in LTR land than her interrupting you… although, if that interrupting has just started, and wasn’t her communication style from the beginning, it MIGHT be an indicator of you getting betaized (mostly it pings as a frame test…)… if i were you, i’d be more worried about

    Most of these were on her end from a place of insecurity, I was pushing too much on the alpha side and making her chase too much, also her not being able to figure me out as to where we stand. I cut some slack (not too much), and were now good.

    ‘were now good’ generally means she got what she wanted.. and is now pushing for more…lol…but at least you have a pretty good start on mapping her rolodex…lol

    good luck!

  33. @Blaximus Bromeo

    So let me get this straight – You pointed out the interrupting thing, she acknowledges that it’s ” rude ” and that she would try

    “HEY! Look at that squirrel!… i love squirrels!…”

    lol…

    good luck!

  34. Have you not ever met someone, male or female, that displays the behavior that Bromeo speaks of above?

    We autists tend to interrupt when we participate in convos involving 3 or more people…not so much when it’s just two people…determining convo breaks is difficult for everyone, but especially for autists.

    One workaround is to mostly keep quiet…that’s my standard fare. Another is to get control of the convo and make everyone comfortable just listening to you…RSD Tyler is an example of this.

    Gotta be willing to tolerate some misbehavior by people…I’m learning that currently. And how you enforce your boundaries is important…I try to do so humorously and graciously and people tend to get the message and my stock skyrockets with them because of how I enforce my boundaries as well as because I enforce my boundaries, which is pretty rare.

  35. “how’s negotiating that desire workin’ for ya?…lol…

    still getting bjs on the reg?… does she initiate sex at all/ever?… if the sex is still good, that’s a better tell of where you are in LTR land than her interrupting you… although, if that interrupting has just started, and wasn’t her communication style from the beginning, it MIGHT be an indicator of you getting betaized (mostly it pings as a frame test…)… if i were you, i’d be more worried about”

    No issues with desire, she initiates all intimacy. interrupting didn’t just start, its been there, that’s why I’m leaning towards it being habitual. It’s hard to judge it sometimes, sometimes the interrupt will be followed by a “Sorry, go on”, or “Sorry, you were saying” from her but other times its an interrupt without any acknowledgment. That’s why it was hard to even bring it up.

    P.S. I like how I am being defaulted from a place of BP from the get go.

  36. “Gotta be willing to tolerate some misbehavior by people…I’m learning that currently. And how you enforce your boundaries is important…I try to do so humorously and graciously and people tend to get the message and my stock skyrockets with them because of how I enforce my boundaries as well as because I enforce my boundaries, which is pretty rare.”

    This is big, I definitely made a mistake going overt. I should have brought it up at each instance and used game to get the point across. I don’t think this thought ever crossed my mind because of how stunned I am that someone can not be aware of such a basic communication skill lol

  37. I think you are one of the more patient ones. Unfortunately for me, I lack tolerance. If a woman does something that gives me a gut feeling that I may not enjoy the date, I usually just scatter. Sometimes I just leave without saying that I have gone. That’s just me. I think the subconsciuos subcom with that lady is: what you are saying is a bit boring; change of topic please or may be what you are saying makes me uncomfortable so please lets not keep on that subject. If it bothers youn listen to your gut.

  38. @Bromeo

    Sounds normal, She could care less what you are saying, when she does pay attention, what is she interested in?

    My guess is something that concerns her, if you wan’t to have a convo talk to the guys, if you want to give her ammo talk to her.

  39. Sentient
    Now that we have reset the goalposts AR, if you want to score a tap in I’ll put the ball dead center on the three yard line, pull the keeper and let you take a swipe… If you want to say Red Pill is important (but not essential) in managing a relationship with a woman… Well crack at it son. You score!

    Musk is BP Alpha.

    Pretty much what I’ve been saying for a while now. That didn’t hurt too much, did it?
    In other words, while Dynamic, Passionate and Authentic may be necessary, they are not sufficient. Red Pill / Glasses is essential.

    Now we can move on to definition games: what’s “Dynamic”? What’s “Passionate”?

    I’ll start with a couple of questions:
    Is a laid-back bass player who never gets visibly excited about anything “dynamic” and “passionate”? Could such a man ever score any girls at all. Since he’s got no D and probably no P in the DPA how could his D ever get any P?

    Solipsism. It’s what’s for lunch some places.

  40. Bromeo…

    So 7 months is now a long term relationship? Huh.

    Look man at everything she said in her defense… All about her her her her…

    You have some work cut out for you.

    “literally mid sentence and she mentions something completely irrelevant.”

    And instead of going into a whole who shot John recasting of the episode you act in the moment how you feel.

    “Hey Princess Talkalot… Big Chief has the talking stick! Shhhhhgg.” And go right on.

    Oh yeah she will be super pissed the first few times… But it will work and when you respond to her pissed off shit test with rock solid frame. Boom… Instant attraction.

    This is how you bring her to heal. Don’t do a long negotiated convo. Don’t hide how you feel in the moment. Always act in the moment.

    She will relate because that is exactly what she does!

    Oh yeah and dont apologize after she apologizes. Just be like Cool… 😎 and move on.

  41. Introvert women don’t drip drip emotion. They tend to internalize it until it is outsized from where it came.

    Noting small irrelavamt contradictions, interruptions in conversations is an indicator she is spinning up. Ignoring it leads to more.

    Introvert women want emotion too. Awalt.

  42. Proclamation.

    Let it be known that the Friday immediately following Thanksgiving Day shall forevermore be celebrated as a National Day of Contrition whereby white beta male americans will sit in sack cloth and ashes and apologize for their thoughts and action of a sexual nature directed towards women. After a period of solace and reflection they may then proceed to continue to clean up from Thanksgiving and having completed that finish raking the leaves, in those locales where leaf raking is required, and when all their work is completed immediately bestow upon all women above the age of consent in their life a $25 StarZonTunes gift card as a tangible show of their contrition and a reminder of their horrible actions.

    Signed

    Madame President Clinton (in absentia)

  43. Not at all… Read the words I used… Important but not essential to a relationship with a woman…

    Oh, that wasn’t a typo? Sure, any man with enough money can have a relationship with a women, Craig’s list is full of them, the Bunny ranch makes bank off of them, Sugar Babies live off that…so what?

    Just look at all the BP Alphas… Look who falls on Musk’s cocka next… Lol.

    You’re saying that “money game” is game? Seriously?

    Those goalposts have wheels so you can move them around, right?

  44. Blaximus
    Am I now supposed to believe and accept that women can no longer grasp that men like women and possibly touching them, so much so that immediate actions must be taken against all men everywhere? Gtfoh with that madness.

    It’s just wizard-burning season. I already pointed you to the Salem witch trials and the Communist Chinese self-criticism sessions. This is not new, it’s an older game just repackaged.

    Conyers is an interesting one, because he’s not the same as Weinstein, Franken, Rose, etc. in that he has a longer history of doing stuff rather than just talking or hacking Hollywood deals. Also he’s actually active in DC. Now we see this cascade or avalanche getting closer to people with real power, so we’ll also see if it can continue or if it suddenly gets the brakes slammed on.

    From the DC point of view it’s all fun and games for Hollywood types to get roasted, it’s quite another thing when real players are suddenly at risk.

  45. EhIntellect
    Introvert women don’t drip drip emotion. They tend to internalize it until it is outsized from where it came.

    Noting small irrelavamt contradictions, interruptions in conversations is an indicator she is spinning up. Ignoring it leads to more.

    I’ll cosign that, and Sentient’s Big Chief’s Talking Stick too. Because a combo of “words piling up behind the dam” and contempt for man / men could explain this.

    Caveat: That parallel interrupt-because-squirrel-oh-what? talking style is pretty common in girls, with some variation across cultures. A lot of high school and young college girls do it, again in some social circles. You can observe young men going along with it some college settings, this is shooting themselves in the foot because if a man talks with women like one of the girls he’s taking on the role of “gay friend” or something like it.

  46. Co-founder of Pixar, director of Toy Story and Chief Creative Officer of Disney Animation Studios, John Lasseter, has confessed to being a serial social hugger and is on “leave of absence.”

  47. @boulderhead

    “Sounds normal, She could care less what you are saying, when she does pay attention, what is she interested in?

    My guess is something that concerns her, if you wan’t to have a convo talk to the guys, if you want to give her ammo talk to her.”

    Thats the thing, its not always an issue, there is no real pattern if its related to her or not. I cant purely have convo’s with jus the guys, what’s the point of being in a LTR if you cant have some kind of connection.

    @sentient

    “Bromeo…
    So 7 months is now a long term relationship? Huh.”
    “Look man at everything she said in her defense… All about her her her her…
    You have some work cut out for you.”
    “literally mid sentence and she mentions something completely irrelevant.”
    And instead of going into a whole who shot John recasting of the episode you act in the moment how you feel.
    “Hey Princess Talkalot… Big Chief has the talking stick! Shhhhhgg.” And go right on.”
    “Oh yeah she will be super pissed the first few times… But it will work and when you respond to her pissed off shit test with rock solid frame. Boom… Instant attraction.”
    This is how you bring her to heal. Don’t do a long negotiated convo. Don’t hide how you feel in the moment. Always act in the moment.”
    She will relate because that is exactly what she does!
    Oh yeah and dont apologize after she apologizes. Just be like Cool… 😎 and move on.”

    Agreed, this is definitely how its going to go down now.

    @Ehintellect

    “Noting small irrelavamt contradictions, interruptions in conversations is an indicator she is spinning up. Ignoring it leads to more.”

    Have any more info on this? Spinning up as in how?

    @anonymour reader

    “I’ll cosign that, and Sentient’s Big Chief’s Talking Stick too. Because a combo of “words piling up behind the dam” and contempt for man / men could explain this.

    Seems very plausible.

    Caveat: That parallel interrupt-because-squirrel-oh-what? talking style is pretty common in girls, with some variation across cultures. A lot of high school and young college girls do it, again in some social circles. You can observe young men going along with it some college settings, this is shooting themselves in the foot because if a man talks with women like one of the girls he’s taking on the role of “gay friend” or something like it.”

    Not sure I have experienced this talking style before.

  48. @Bromeo

    There is a pattern,you haven’t seen. She works things happen at work, this is on her mind front and center for a period of time. With my LTR, 12 to 24 hrs. After her cool down, she is interested in what and how I’m doing. She may have other issues, the introverts or shy types have skeletons in the closet too.

    At first the main purpose of an LTR may be getting out of the ONS game, cutting down the friction of plate spinning or Luuuv.. The game changes, it never goes away. The bonding comes through shared experiences rather than through sharing experience. Women don’t stop testing just cause they know you, this is changing is constant. Stoic , giving space, getting a read, proper approach, posture , cocky funny DPA all works and is necessary. This is supposed to be fun. Rollos rule “the one that needs the other least has the power” is the dynamic at play. When you force her to listen you are the needy one. Mine just ignores me,when she’s lost in space at least she doesn’t interupt.

    Public speaking aside the power lies with the silent one, nervous people talk more. Start out in the morning with silence let her break the ice. This will start you out on the right foot.

  49. @boulderhead

    “There is a pattern,you haven’t seen. She works things happen at work, this is on her mind front and center for a period of time. With my LTR, 12 to 24 hrs. After her cool down, she is interested in what and how I’m doing. She may have other issues, the introverts or shy types have skeletons in the closet too.

    At first the main purpose of an LTR may be getting out of the ONS game, cutting down the friction of plate spinning or Luuuv.. The game changes, it never goes away. The bonding comes through shared experiences rather than through sharing experience. Women don’t stop testing just cause they know you, this is changing is constant. Stoic , giving space, getting a read, proper approach, posture , cocky funny DPA all works and is necessary. This is supposed to be fun. Rollos rule “the one that needs the other least has the power” is the dynamic at play. When you force her to listen you are the needy one. Mine just ignores me,when she’s lost in space at least she doesn’t interupt.

    Public speaking aside the power lies with the silent one, nervous people talk more. Start out in the morning with silence let her break the ice. This will start you out on the right foot.”

    We don’t live together so we don’t talk in the morning other then texting. But she does make an effort to always call after work and ask me how my day is going, says “Spare no details”, and listens with full intent during this exchange.

    It’s hard to explain my viewpoint on the forcing to listen to me, there’s interrupting with a purpose and then there’s interrupting for the sake of mentioning something. I work in an office environment and we frequently interject, interrupt, talk over each other but its on a singular topic and offering different view points to find a common solution or feedback related to it. I have zero issues with this, and engage in it myself. Hell its the same thing with friends and family, I cant even think of the last time I had a convo with someone like that in my experience.

  50. @Bromeo

    Wow “spare no details”. I contend that women don’t understand men’s communication, we are more straight forward but see the world from a different perspective. Straight talk I think isn’t even interesting to a woman. Shit I never tell her about my day unless something extraordinary happened. At least you don’t have to look at her every morning,LOL.

  51. kfg
    Co-founder of Pixar, director of Toy Story and Chief Creative Officer of Disney Animation Studios, John Lasseter,

    Some pretty deep pockets right there. Not to mention political influence. First Conyers, now Mouse House, this is getting more interesting by the day. Every irresistable force eventually runs into an immovable object, but aside from Trump and Moore I don’t see one yet. Perhaps that there is a clue…

  52. “Sentient”

    Anonymous non reader…
    Point to anything I said about money?

    The context being Elon Musk…

    BP Alpha does not mean “money”…

    …it is obvious to any sentient person.

    The Red Pill / Glasses are necessary. Money, fame, prestige, sharp suits etc. not so much.
    Elon Musk makes this dramatically clear. Now, hurry up and move your goalposts again.

  53. If you’re going to be in any kind of ” relationship ” with a woman, you must understand how to communicate with her so that you can actually get salient points across. This is a little bit different than Gaming them. This, is part of the next step my friends.

    Game can help you out in relationships with women, but Game can’t do it all and make you understand some key points.

    An issue that I’ve found when conversing with younger chicks is that they have a very, very short attention span when involved in standard conversation that is just ” detail “, lol. Detailed conversation delivered in a very matter-of-fact fashion is just like shooting them up with primo heroin.

    The only thing I can blame this on is that damned dreaded social media.

    When you’re out and about, watch young women when they are on the smartphone and listen to whatever nonsense they happen to be watching/looking at. Many times you will hear someone on a video post yelling and screaming or laughing or crying – just a jumble of fucking emotions. Then when you see this, look at the way the women pay rapt attention to it. They get an emotional overload every single day, and it is fucking up their heads something awful.

    Or they are reading some kind of horrible, gut wrenching story someone posted so that they could ” share ” themselves to help others.

    Drama with a capital ” D “.

    So if you want a woman that can just sit back and listen to you speak in normal, unemotional tones, you gotta search them out. They still exist, but they aren’t easy to find. Social media is shortening normal attention spans like crazy.

    Big Chief has the Talking Stick.

    I fucking love it.

    Men that can be more creative when engaging women always have an easier time of it and get their penises wet outside of the shower with ease.

    Bromeo, you got 1 out of 2 down pat.

  54. @Bromeo

    The more I think about it from an evolutionary standpoint, equalism is telling her to ask about your day, evolution is shutting down her ears.

    20000 bc : Split asks ” how was your day honey?” Shaft answers “It was going good till head got his nose bone bling stuck in a bush, then that mastadon ripped him wide open. Wee could see all his corpuscles and some blue stuff. We put it all back in him but he made a croaking noise like this crooaaaaccck, thats it babe married or not this bone is coming out of my nose now.

    For the biggest part of history man’s work was too dangerous to share with the tender sex. Think about it man there are some things you just cant tell her, she doesn’t want to know.

    Just keep it light.

  55. @ boulderhead

    “Wow “spare no details”. I contend that women don’t understand men’s communication, we are more straight forward but see the world from a different perspective. Straight talk I think isn’t even interesting to a woman. Shit I never tell her about my day unless something extraordinary happened. At least you don’t have to look at her every morning,LOL.”

    Haha, the spare no details thing gets me every time, I just work and go to the gym most days lol.

  56. Co-founder of Pixar, director of Toy Story and Chief Creative Officer of Disney Animation Studios, John Lasseter,

    Some pretty deep pockets right there. Not to mention political influence.

    I haven’t been keeping up with all the Creeps, lately named for their crimes of the ofttimes distant past; but when I happen upon a new one, he always seems to look like some version of Weinstien/Lasseter – basically, the second guy in the OP cartoon.

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/World+Premiere+Disney+Pixar+Finding+Dory+Red+HXXTLe4DNrfl.jpg

    The moral is to not look like this. Appearances count, and not just in baseball. Do what you have to. This is not the lean, hard, and fast look that keeps a man off women’s Creep list. Most of us can’t swing the levels of money and influence that can make up for pudgy, soft, and slow (PuSS); but we can at least avoid being the PuSS.

  57. kfg
    Female target of a Struggle Session managed to record and release it, accused of creating an unsafe space by playing a bit of a Jordan Peterson talk to her college students:

    Right on schedule.

  58. When actress Natalie Portman heard the mounting allegations of sexual assault and misconduct in Hollywood, she said she considered herself lucky that she has never been personally assaulted.
    Then she recalled “100 stories” of being sexually harassed and discriminated against during her own rise as an Academy Award-winning star, which are just as inexcusable but have been long ignored, she told entertainment website Vulture.
    “I’ve had discrimination or harassment on almost everything I’ve ever worked on in some way,” she said. “I went from thinking I don’t have a story to thinking, ‘Oh wait, I have 100 stories.’ And I think a lot of people are having these reckonings with themselves, of things that we just took for granted as like, this is part of the process.” – Natalie Portman

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/natalie-portman-on-sexual-discrimination_us_5a1434bbe4b0aa32975dc9c0

    Hmmm

    #ListenAndBelieve

  59. 0 to 100 in 10 seconds flat. Only a woman can do this. Political Correctness aside, scientists need to do more research on the female brain. The survival of humanity depends on it.

  60. This whole thing is very instructive since we are all witnessing this right now, in real time.

    And right now, you see zero males in any numbers mounting any push back whatsoever, and every male you do see is in full agreement that there’s a massive problem with ” men “.

    You want to know why the FI is so successful? Keep watching the conga line of guys getting pilloried over past harassment and ‘ assault ‘ and then notice the absence of men even publically attempting to support and defend even ONE of the accused. Just one.

    Men melt into the background under female/FI threat, then other men in positions of authority proceed to fire and prosecute and punish.

    Pay attention to who is handing out justice fellas.

    I’ve maintained from the very start that women aren’t the enemy when it comes to feminism and the FI. This shit is given teeth by males. We won’t ever hear ” okay, that’s enough now ” from anyone. So everybody wants to get in on the act because we all have to believe every utterance out of the mouth and not even dare question anything.

    I’m glad that some random person can’t just accuse me of bank robbery and the police come and lock me up and the courts convict and jail me on the word of another without evidence.

    Justice?

    Do you still think so?

  61. What is astonishing is that “the conga line of guys getting pilloried” are not standing up for themselves. Most of these men are owing up to these allegations and putting out beta cuck statements like “I didn’t know what I was doing was incorrect …. Now I have better understating and respect for women”. The whole saga of #metooing seems scripted and all these men appear to be taking the fall at the command of a higher power, so that they can socially engineer and emasculate all men.

  62. @Blax
    At least Trump seems to be trying khe is the only one seemingly trying) to defend the Alabama judge guy (I forget if he is a governor or senator aspirant). That guy slayed pussy like a motherfucker in his thirtiez. All those hens can’t believe he is going to be boss, and they never could lock him down. Sour grapes. Lol

  63. If it’s a successful stratagy, why the decades repeated attempts to kill men’s spirits? Why isn’t it preprogrammed in men’s heart’s?

    It’s not working as every generation of men, resistant men must be broken for egalitarian equality to work. That’s a lot of applied resources, and in the trenches we are a tachyphylaxis of FI efficacy. We’re creating and the decrement isn’t foreseeable at least in my life. That’s why we have kids to fight on.

    I admit innocent men, good men are ruined. That’s unjust and the anger I read and harbor too is righteous.

    It will end though.

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