The Reconstruction I

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One of the most common misperceptions for guys coming into a Red Pill awareness experience is an expectation of being able to use that awareness and Game to reconstruct an old relationship. Most often this hope is about a guy wanting to ‘fix’ his broken relationship with a girl who dumped him. This is easily the most common reason Blue Pill guys make themselves open to what the Red Pill has to reveal to him. They are desperate, not for the intergender truths that the Red Pill presents, but rather for a solution to their hearts being crushed by a girl.

This is understandable when you consider that these men are still very steeped in Blue Pill idealism they’ve yet to unlearn (or understand why they need to unlearn it) and haven’t made the connection that their idealism is part of the reason why they likely were dumped. All they feel is a desperate longing to reconnect to a girl who was their ‘One’, and only now they are desperate enough to seek answers from the Red Pill.

It’s funny how some of the most ardent Red Pill deniers will be open to listening to its truths about men and women if it presents the possibility of them getting back with a former lover they invested themselves in. This is a good illustration of the degree of control Blue Pill idealism has over guys; that they would be open to amending their beliefs if it means reconnecting to those feelings he’s been cut away from.

Unfortunately, the Red Pill is not a salve for Blue Pill disillusionment. It’s a cure, not a bandaid. I tried to succinctly address this in the 7th Iron Rule of Tomassi:

Iron Rule of Tomassi #7
It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.

Another Red Pill reconstruction attempt is men who make it their goal to ‘re-seduce’ a woman they failed to effectively Game while still wrapped up in their Blue Pill mindset. The first presumption is that revenge might motivate a guy to want to pump and dump a girl who once blew him out back when he was locked into his Blue Pill mentality. Women like this idea because they think it confirms men’s egos being easily bruised, but I don’t think this is always the case.

It’s entirely possible that some past coquette has taken an organic liking to “the new him” now that his Red Pill transition and better grasp of Game has made him attractive to her. I’ve had several guys relate to me about how they have turned a former ONEitis into a plate they were spinning along with others. The experience of doing so will often solidify Red Pill/Game principles for him – the act of cycling an old ‘soul mate’ into a guy’s roster of non-exclusive lovers is a lesson in taking women of a formerly idealistic pedestal and helps humanize women for him in the process.

I should also add that there’s usually a period of time necessary to effect this. Too many men will see Red Pill awareness and just the loosest form of Game as some magic formula for pulling this off too soon. A sudden incongruent shift in his demeanor only puts her off more and leaves him discouraged.

Doing Everything Right

The third type of reconstructionist is the married man  – or the guy in a multi-year LTR – seeking to find the secret to remedy his dead bedroom. There was a time (pre-internet, pre-Red Pill) when these men were reluctant to even voice the problem they were having with their sexually indifferent wives. Generally, this was due to a couple of specific fears.

The first is that most Blue Pill men are conditioned from a very early age to always find fault in themselves before they would ever imply that it would be a woman’s. This was especially true if it was about sex. If you can’t satisfy a woman, it’s your fault. If a woman isn’t aroused or attracted by you, it’s your fault, so the presumption used to be that a man could only better himself as a means to reestablish an attraction that (presumably) he had with his wife before they were married.

Back in the day this ‘improvement’ could be defined in various old books ways. He might get a promotion at work, a shift up in status and pay. He might lose weight or find some form of competition he might possibly do well in. He might change his beliefs or accede to better identifying with his wife, or do more chores around the home, help with the kids, arrange more ‘date nights’. He might go to marriage counseling or participate in his church’s “men’s spiritual retreats” in order to show that he’s growing.

All of these ways of “rekindling the old flame” are essentially a man’s effort in acquiescing to his woman’s Frame while keeping him in a perpetual state of negotiating for her genuine desire. From a Red Pill perspective we understand this, but there was a time, not so long ago, when men’s preoccupation was all about doing everything right in order to get his wife to fuck him like she used to, or with something resembling genuine enthusiasm.

The second fear men of that time had was admitting to their inability to satisfy their wife (LTR) sexually. Again, this was all about a female-dominant Frame, and his qualifying for her pleasure, but we’re talking about a time when men’s interpretation of their own masculinity was always being questioned. It’s interesting to see how times have changed with communication technology. I can remember a time when it would’ve been taboo to be too direct about sex in church. Now it’s unavoidable and we have pastors encouraging sex quota months in order to spur the asexual wives in the congregation.

In a Blue Pill social order, men learn to always qualify for women. So the natural, male-deductive response has always been to do everything right in order to keep the sex faucet flowing. Sacrifice dreams, belay ambitions, get the right job with the right status and become a person who a woman would want to bang. These are all old book presumptions based on the Beta Female-Identifying Provider archetype, but it’s important to keep this in mind today because this same do everything right presumption still persists for men today.

The following is a post from the Married Red Pill Reddit I saved about four months ago.

Story time….

I originally posted most of this in a reply over at ASKMRP but I thought I’d share here too.

You can read my post history to get all the gory details but I moved out a few months ago in exasperation after following my MRP path to a T and seeing little to no improvement in our relationship. I’ve “fixed” myself in ways I never thought I could and moving out was me punting the final decision for a bit before I blow my beautiful children’s life to pieces.

Things are calm, peaceful, friendly and kinda fun at “home” but the sexual dynamic hasn’t changed at all despite all odds. I’ve finally reached the point that I give 0 fucks either way and every day that goes by makes me a bit more ambivalent to the whole deal.

It’s taken a long time to get here but something happened last week that opened my eyes to how shitty my life has been for a looooong time and how at this point she is the only “problem” left in my life and I can’t “fix” her.

The quick back story is that I was a fat, beta fuck for a long time and have been on this journey for about 2 years. I am fairly ripped now and have “fixed” myself to the point that I feel comfortable saying I’m a top 5-10% guy in my metro. Good looking, successful business(Doubled my sales in the last 12mos! Thanks MRP!), dress well…etc.

Last week I initiated with the wife while I was over at our house helping get the kids to bed. She shot me down like she has been for months. We still fuck here and there but the quality has been shitty for a while despite implementing as much SGM as I can.

I laughed, told her goodnight and went back to my house. I actually prefer being there now. I’ve come to love the solitude too as the loneliness and missing the kids has worn off a little.

I worked out and read for a while and got bored so I decided to download Bumble and Tinder to get a no risk gauge of where I’m at if I end up nexting her. I’ve been getting plenty of IOI’s in public but I live in a small town so pursuing them would eventually lead to big problems. I also downloaded a GPS location faker and put myself in a state far, far away to make sure I don’t get doxxed by one of her shitty, single friends…

Gentlemen…It’s been 4 days and I currently have over 60 unsolicited messages from all kinds of women. My inbox is full of unsolicited tittie and pussy shots from women waayyy hotter than my wife. I’ve got 5 women literally begging me to come fuck them and another 5 or so I’m confident I could fuck within a week if I wanted.

It’s a good thing I put myself so far away or the temptation would probably be way too much to handle. I deleted the apps this morning as I’m not ready to blow everything up yet and I want to give the marriage every last chance for my kids sake. I know myself well enough to know that once I taste some strange there will no turning back. The constant buzzing of the burner phone was also killing my productivity.

The end result is that this whole experiment has killed off any last shred of oneitis I had and opened my eyes to what my life will look like going forward if this goes the way it’s heading. My wife is a good woman and is fairly hot but it appears that she may not be able to see past all those years of beta shittiness from me and that’s ok.

I didn’t tell you my story to brag but to re-affirm that only you can change and determine the quality of your life. I can tell you that 2 years ago I was a mess trying to hang on to the shreds of my marriage while my wife was pretty much repulsed by me. My wife will or will not change into the sexy woman I want over the next few months but now I really don’t care because I have PAINFULLY built myself into a man that the world will treat very well either way.

Salvation lies within, motherfuckers! Get to work, be consistent, and reap the rewards!

Today the hope for bettering a man’s sexual prospects in marriage is found primarily in Red Pill awareness. I would daresay that the Red Pill, Game and the manosphere have done more in improving men’s sexual access in marriage than contemporary marriage counseling for about 10 years now. That’s to be lauded I think, but it also has to come with the understanding that no man’s experience, no man’s situation with his wife/woman, is ever the same, nor is it ideal.

There is a set of Red Pill men (usually married) who also attempt to do everything right – according to Red Pill awareness and applied Game – and, as per this man’s story, the situation is such that it is still ‘not enough’.

These men become Red Pill aware, they unplug, they struggle to accept it while disenfranchising themselves from their Blue Pill conditioning. They put in the time for insight and soul-searching, they deal with the uncomfortable truths of what they’ve been all their lives. They deal with the anger that inspires and they come out on the other side and begin to remake themselves. They self-improve.

Roosh recently had some Dali Lama moment about how he believes self-improvement is some Zen preset channel for men, and they ought not worry about bettering themselves. I say bullshit. Self-improvement itself is a state of being. Once a man applies himself, invests more in himself than he ever has before, changes his mind about himself, he becomes hisown mental point of origin.

These men begin to see the results of their efforts, efforts often unbeknownst to his woman. She may witness the outward changes, but only he know the experience of his inward changes. Now he’s got to deal with new experiences that were previously foreign to him in his old, Blue Pill self-identity. Some are uncomfortable and require him to use judgement he’s never had to before. Others are temptations or opportunities he’s never had access to before.

All of what’s led to this transition required a lot of personal investment on his part, and by his Red Pill awareness he’s done everything right. This transformative experience becomes a kind of Relational Equity for him; equity he believes his wife, his ex, the old high school girl who ignored him, should have some appreciation for. Just like the old books men who believed that building themselves up in their careers or getting more in touch with their feminine sides would be the key to doing everything right, the Red Pill aware guy finds that it’s not him, it’s her.

This is part one of this series.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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@Rollo – Great .gif Is that your own artwork?

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@middleagepua Guys, I’ve never been married, but if I was and my wife cut off the sex because she saw me as a beta, I would cheat. @all married men If a wife cuts off sex, she has violated a primary marriage vow–“To have and to hold’. “Forsaking all others” is a secondary vow which is dependent upon the primary vow being kept. If a woman violates the primary vow, then the man is no longer beholden to forsake all others. If a wife violates the primary vow, then the man may fuck other women and it isn’t cheating on… Read more »

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Ehintellect “Tarl you can still turn it around, but you must change….” Word. Love your optimism. Nah, not optimism, 100% Red Pill Truth. She will respond to the most advantageous hypergamous option… that option can be you… shit it probably was you before you went and cacked it all up… The programming is a feature not a bug when you grasp it. Ronin The main problem with this is the ‘New Improved You’ is stuck with a woman who is seldom worthy of the changes you’ve made and will attempt to tear you back down at every opportunity. well this… Read more »

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If she truly saw you as a beta husband and you started cheating ( she would never suspect, because she isn’t attracted to you), how long could you keep it up before your subcommunications would tip her off. Could you really pretend to be a beta in a marriage for some higher quality side pussy? Just a thought experiment.

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how long could you keep it up before your subcommunications would tip her off.

They would tip her off not that you are cheating.. but that the beta is subsiding…

what will take its place????

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“Losing” to dogs is often “winning” to cats… Hypergamy is a very “winning” strategy…

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If for some reason a man’s wife were to stop having sex with him, the man in question is well within his rights to go and fuck as many women as will lay down or bend over for him. Full Fucking Stop. Growing up I was always told about men marrying ” Nuns/Nones ” ( can’t get none….won’t give me none..) and even waaayyyy back then I knew that shit wasn’t kosher in the least. I can’t tell y’all how many times a past gf tried the Hide The Vagina trick on me and I walked away as fast as… Read more »

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“… Hypergamy is a very “winning” strategy…

A newbie begins reading the list of all the things that hypergamy doesn’t care about. After an hour or so he becomes dismayed and begins to suspect (quite correctly) that list is, in fact, infinite.

“What does hypergamy care about?, ” he cries.

Ah. Well. Yes. That list is a much quicker read, consisting, as it does, of a single entry.

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Don’t worry, grandma, I’ll wear protection.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Festival+Steel+Phallus+Draws+Crowds+CBIyqJWwx_rl.jpg

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@Blax

This is the danger in seeing pussy as ” quality “.

Oh, dear Blax, I could show you pics of pussy that would shrivel your dick. There’s the “fair” grade, which might have STDs, and likely has vaginal warts, but the middlin grade of pussy is unlikely to have STDs or warts. But no single pussy is Pussy Extraordinary. It’s all a commodity item.

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I never got the whole reviving of the dead bedroom thing, the sex with such women very likely was nothing special to begin with and is unlikely to improve with time. As a former OMG I can say you pretty much have had the best sex before the ring even goes on …

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Thanks kfg.

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@ Ronin I don’t know if you were around here for the Great Marriage debate of 2016 ( lol ), but it was a bone of contention ( no pun ) about the ” boring sex with the fat and ugly wife that no one else wants to bang ” thing, that became a Gregorian chant here in the comments for a long while. Guys shouldn’t marry women with which they only manage sub par sex. It is never a given that the sex has to die a painful death after the ring goes on. There were a lot of… Read more »

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Novaseeker So the key to get out of that rut is regaining her respect, which means de-beta-izing yourself in *her* eyes. That’s hard to do, once the beta frame has been established in her mind and the respect has been lost. It really does depend, I think, on how far things have gone — how long were you beta, how beta were you, how far down the rabbit hold did the relationship go. The further, the less likely you can turn it around. This is likely where N matters in the divorce probabilities. The higher the N, the greater the… Read more »

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@ Asd Lol. Nah, pussy ain’t a commodity. Not really. It’s an orifice that females posses. That’s pretty much it. The commodity part is driven by men’s thoughts and society’s actions. The commodity part can be short circuited and rendered harmless. But it’s true that there’s no extraordinary pussy. I had a plate years ago. She kinda looked like Cameron Diaz before Cameron ran face first into The Wall. This girl had what I affectionately referred to as an action packed pussy. It had a built in vice grip, it squirted like the fountains in Vegas, and it gave orgasms… Read more »

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“There’s literally another pussy around the next corner.”

I believe by “commodity” he meant “fungible.”

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” I believe by “commodity” he meant “fungible.””

…. Oh.

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Ronin I never got the whole reviving of the dead bedroom thing, the sex with such women very likely was nothing special to begin with and is unlikely to improve with time. As a former OMG I can say you pretty much have had the best sex before the ring even goes on … Why would a woman act this way Ronin? What’s changed about the guy post marriage? ‘Reviving” is an expected – a required – consequence of increasing your Alpha… it is not a burden or a goal even. You do Ronin All In on Ronin, pursue the… Read more »

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@Ronin “I never got the whole reviving of the dead bedroom thing, the sex with such women very likely was nothing special to begin with and is unlikely to improve with time.” Feminine social primacy in the last 50 years and the natural feature of women to act with manipulation in the best interests of her and her children lead to some good women to go off the tracks. In some situations, the man becomes betatized because of feminine manipulation of a man (with his concurrent abdication of his masculine role) or Oprah-ized (back when mass media betatized men, before… Read more »

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PS – seconding Blax… if sex with the women you decide to marry is not that special… do NOT get married… Very sad episode over at MMSl a few years ago… Cat there had never had a BJ where his wife swallowed (huge red flag btw)… undertakes the typical Super Beta Male Action Plan… gets all Xfitty, gets his promotion… starts pushing boundaries a bit more… but he just could not get his head right… The lack of swallow becomes a Big Thing to him… His wife decides to perform in a community dinner theater play… to express herself beyond… Read more »

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That animation should be called The Deconstruction…

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Without “patriarchy” there is no Christianity.

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This post was brilliant. Keep it up. Best writing in the manosphere. And yes, the red pill is WAY MORE EFFECTIVE than counseling.

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Quit Spamming. Or trying to direct traffic to your site. The Daily Stormer has nothing to do with sites like the The Rational Male, which is not race biased nor politically aligned (except when intersexual dynamics are concerned). Nor is this blog a site to aggregate unlucky or unhappy Dylan Roof or Elliot Roger types, nor does it encourage them. This blog has no use for them because they are AFC Blue Pills that most of us are contempful towards. You are biased and you are psychologically projecting. And you are Sisterhood Rallying and Churchian Rallying. Not a good tactic… Read more »

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Blax’s is balls on

No shit, there is was, banging this air force whore, cock buried in her baby maker when she started say dumb shit about being in charge. Smacked her ass hard as hell, she kept up with the being the boss shit.

Got up, grabbed her shit, tossed it out the door and told her to get.

Never value a peice of ass more then your dignity

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Without “patriarchy” there is no Christianity.

Without lies there is no feminism, and Bites would have nothing to say.

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“Pussy ain’t an investment. Pussy is just pussy.”

“Never value a peice of ass more then your dignity”

The only value evidenced is defined as value that is evident after La Petit Mort.

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At best Insanity embodies this quote from what she refers to. And therefore she spams. At worst she has evil intentions. There is no justification for posting this bullshit on this blog. What Nightwind and IB are trying to do is connect us to people like The Stormer dude because some folks who comment somewhere related to here comment on Stormer dude’s blog. That’s it. And so they want to discredit us based on what Stormer dude is saying, because, you see, they have linked us by that weird link. In fact, the link was only to Heartiste and Vox… Read more »

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Puhleeze, his own wife doesn’t want him. But in only four days, his inbox is full of unsolicited nude pics? And he has never met any of these women! Sorry, but real women don’t immediately send nudes. These “women” are fakes, gay men, con artists, etc.

An underappreciated husband can probably find sex and love outside the marriage. But this message is not supported by these delusions from a Bumble/Tinder novice.

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” . . . she is a feminist who claims she is an ex-feminist . . .”

They all are, Honey. Even the best of them who really are trying to help (“Honey Badgers” Allison Tiemann and Karen Straughan come to mind).

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Blaximus, I was one of the fortunate ones whose wife never got fat and very often initiated sex for the vast majority of my marriage…No dead bedroom for me, but our married sex life was an exception compared to most couples we knew. The OMG guys were always complaining about the tap being turned off or the fact that “The juice was not worth the squeeze” , even when they did get it….Some did the whole D&D ( Date nights and Dread) thing to turn it around, which only extended the misery with occasional duty sex, often worse than no… Read more »

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” . . . Alpha or not, unless you marry a woman with a genuine high sex drive . . . ”

In three . . . two . . . one . . . FIRE IN THE HOLE!

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Not so fast, SJF. Bytes is correct in her assertions about Vox Day praising Anglin. And that The Daily Stormer is his blog. And oh yeah, there are a bunch of ‘race realists’ reading along here (not interested in starting that argument again), so, yeah, the pearl clutching isn’t really in line with reality. But of course Bytes making the nexus to Roof, that somehow he was an angry MGTOW or something, when that’s just not clea is wrongr. Yes, he was a racist and on Anglin’s site, but the connection to the manosphere is never made beyond The Daily… Read more »

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@IB I am sure you did not see it, so please do scroll a few comments up until you get to this: “….does nothing socially, just goes to a sports bar in a bowling alley and stares at ESPN. No new plates, apparently not trying to try. He’d been married to an Epiphany Party Girl who went all EPL on his sorry unknowing ass, got cash and prizes (a hillside mansion!), then remarried (I think) some twice-divorced gym instructor …” Try to read it. Just try to go through it slowly. Try. does nothing socially…goes to a sports bar…and stares… Read more »

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@ KL

” Sorry, but real women don’t immediately send nudes. These “women” are fakes, gay men, con artists, etc.”

Just lol

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“…..but the connection to the manosphere is never made beyond The Daily Stormer, and to call that a manosphere site is just not accurate.” Like I mentioned earlier, I really don’t like when women make shit up. It annoys me. Correlation may or may not be causation. Cassie Jaye and Insanity Bytes don’t need to co-opt the red pill brand for evangelizing their own causes and making shit up about The Red Pill. I would think what Insanity Linked to–The Night Wind Article– hurts “The Red Pill Brand”– And not by a small amount. “As we’ve pointed out before, the… Read more »

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“shit it probably was you before you went and cacked it all up…

The programming is a feature not a bug when you grasp it.”

Hey now! Stop raining on this one-man hugbox…cuz it feels..so…good…mmmm…yeah…that’s it…right there…

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“Date nights and Dread”

Nothing kills libido more than pre-planned date nights, lame. Dread done deftly works. An ounce of shit in a gallon of ice cream tastes more like shit than ice cream.

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One way to clear the stench of night wind is to light a sulfur match.
And definitely don’t eat to much cheese.

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The post is fantastic Rollo and I enjoy all of the comments from the brothers, kindred spirits all. One thing to caution against is Gamer’s so-called “I’m Not Hot Enough For You Game”. This does not exist and is counter to everything Game is and it will be the ruin of anyone considering it. Gamer’s marriage is long-term indifference at best it seems and he has a hall pass to go out dancing, no big deal. Repeat- there is no game ever where you indicate she is hotter than you. Never do this.

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IB is an interesting case to consider. She appears to be Red Pill and Christian, but is terrified of men who actually value themselves over women. But let’s be clear about how fucked in the head she is, as per usual: – There has been no increase in white male christian terrorism or attacks. Despite the media hysteria (notice how it’s often women who are leading the hysterical charge on this topic), in fact shootings of the sort Roof commit are very, very rare and not increasing in frequency. And of course, overall rates of violence for white christian males… Read more »

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If the Red Pill is counter to something it is because that something is not based on reality

Though I don’t see how the Red Pill is counter to Christianity or old school Western Civilization

It is counter to the modern bullshit that passes as civilization.

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@Patchasaurus The post is fantastic Rollo and I enjoy all of the comments from the brothers, kindred spirits all. One thing to caution against is Gamer’s so-called “I’m Not Hot Enough For You Game”. This does not exist and is counter to everything Game is and it will be the ruin of anyone considering it. Gamer’s marriage is long-term indifference at best it seems and he has a hall pass to go out dancing, no big deal. Repeat- there is no game ever where you indicate she is hotter than you. Never do this. you are misunderstanding the dynamic in… Read more »

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[…] worry about her, worry about yourself and your own emotional well-being. Don’t fall into the Reconstruction Trap.You must realize, you can never, ever take this girl back. She is your ex-gf for a reason. If you […]

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Rollo “The third type of reconstructionist is the married man – or the guy in a multi-year LTR – seeking to find the secret to remedy his dead bedroom. There was a time (pre-internet, pre-Red Pill) when these men were reluctant to even voice the problem they were having with their sexually indifferent wives. Generally, this was due to a couple of specific fears.” Pre internet pre red pill,men didn’t have as many problems in the bedroom,even fewer pre telephone,pre television. My guess is,and I know you have pointed this out, women communicate more via these mediums,and it takes men… Read more »

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Hm. Just read IB’s linked post. Brings to mind a song. “Oh-hoh-hoh-hoah Oh- hoh-hoh-hoah Pastor Wilson was kung fo fighting… Those kicks were fast as lightning… He was a funky Pastor Wilson from funky Pastor town….” Recommended reading for IB (and anyone else interested). Trigger warning, this guy is a liberal. But a pretty rational actor, as humans go. http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/ So am I claiming that the feminist war on “nice guys” is totally uncorrelated with the existence of the manosphere? No. I’m saying the causal arrow goes the opposite direction from the one Barry’s suggesting. As usual with gender issues,… Read more »

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@Rollo, how does a dude contract you off the grid? (email? twitter dm?)
Just curious since you don’t have a contact form.

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Re: Anon’s cite – Look at how the dipshit author uses the term “radicalization”, borrowing it from Islamic Jihadis. As though seeing through the lies of feminism and prog-marxist ideology is a radical act of some sort. If anyone is being radicalized institutionally in this society, it’s social justice warriors and other leftist progressives and marxists. They are taught radical and false ideas in our universities and colleges and media (just look at the MTV show on race, George Orwell could have used it in 1984). Here’s a hint as to what’s coming next, boys. Blood. War. Civil unrest. Revolution.… Read more »

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@Scribblerg, I agree completely. Shit’s going down. And any Trump supporter that plans to go to the inauguration should have his head examined if they don’t at least bring some mace with them for the inauguration itself and the metro ride in if they take it.

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“But it’s true that there’s no extraordinary pussy.” The “no magic pussy” intrigues me. Pussy is on a scale if a guy begins with pussy as an objective. With RP egocentrism, pussy just is…sort of. I’d not bang just anything and I’d assume no one here would either. The RP functions in the man’s interest, women respond and men can increase the attractiveness and volume of girls. Good for him. IMO, sexual attractiveness as a starting point hobbles a man’s frame, generally. Blax’s frame is strong enough to see past looks and not let it affect him. Cool. Her attractiveness… Read more »

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Is frame enough? Not sure but it’s probaly 80% or more of the equation

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@Eh – You are generalizing far too much. Many women who Blax would fuck wouldn’t get me out of bed. We’ve done this before here. He has a broad sexual palette, likes bigger women too. Good for him, but I’m about fucking hottie spinners size 4 or smaller…I’m super picky. Yeah, i’ve fucked some ehh women here and there but have mostly stuck with serious hotties. Juice has to be worth the squeeze, brothers. I’m very picky and only focus on women I find very attractive. This brings my sexual intention forward, and is also motivating. Sure, I open pretty… Read more »

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Listen to this chick, she’s waking up to the nightmare. First video. Question for guys here who think we are winning: How many men of the kind she’s talking about are being produced every day versus how man are unplugging?

[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm0l5hsykDc&w=560&h=315%5D

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Damnation (Dominion and domain…)
https://twitter.com/CasualSexProj/status/716717179698327552

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IB is an interesting case to consider.

Not really. Hateful, manipulative female feminists are quite common in the virtual and real world.

She appears to be Red Pill and Christian, but is terrified of men who actually value themselves over women.

She’s an aging 2nd stage feminist who puts a Churchian veneer on her misandry.
You’ve put yourself into her frame just by engaging with her hate and taking her guilt-by-association seriously. Don’t do that. Nothing useful will result.

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If she comes begging for food,I will take her in as long as she has that chihuahua.
It will fit nice in my smoker.
Nice video.does she know the difference between in front of a camera and behind?

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Lol, advice from Anon, just too rich. I often wonder just who in the fuck he thinks he is?

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“They are taught radical and false ideas in our universities and colleges and media . . . ”

The people who were first radicalized in the universities are the ones teaching the ones who teach the ones who teach kindergarten now. The slow march through the educational institutions reached its destination sometime in the last ten years or so. They have total command from pre-school on up.

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” . . . advice from Anon . . . I often wonder just who in the fuck he thinks he is?”

He thinks he’s Liz.

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@KFG – Priceless. Where is Liz anyway?

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“Where is Liz anyway?”

Hiding behind this:

http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/m9KrmdbpoftZdp84lLl9RKQ.jpg

It’s fallout from the catfight with She Who Must Not Be Named.

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@Rugby – Notice how the male desires for “ropes” and large loads etc is all blamed on porn and male competitiveness sexually etc. As though men just invented the idea of competing for female sexual attention without any involvement of women, lol. The abject stupidity of the typical westerner when it comes to intersexual dynamics is mind-boggling. They just accept, axiomatically, the framing of male sexual imperatives as somehow negative or problematic, while never questioning female imperatives. But speaking of loads, I’ve often wondered why so many women go along with men cumming on their faces. At a certain point,… Read more »

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Rollo in the OP mentions in passing about “revenge seduction” Women like this idea because they think it confirms men’s egos being easily bruised, but I don’t think this is always the case. I keep noticing over and over again how much women project. Women’s ego’s reallly are fragile, as anyone who has ever debated a Strong, Independent Woman should know; when the facts get too embarassing, they retreat to Don’t Hit Me, I’m A Girl. It happens very often. I’ve seen it in 20-something graduate students, I’ve seen it in 40-something career women, I’ve seen it in 50+ high… Read more »

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Lol, advice from Anon, just too rich

Every once in a while I try leading a horse to water. Sometimes one will drink.

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@Patch One thing to caution against is Gamer’s so-called “I’m Not Hot Enough For You Game”. This does not exist and is counter to everything Game is and it will be the ruin of anyone considering it. Gamer’s marriage is long-term indifference at best it seems and he has a hall pass to go out dancing, no big deal. Repeat- there is no game ever where you indicate she is hotter than you. Never do this. Lol, wtf do you know about relationships? You probably haven’t even been ALIVE as long as I’ve been married. Let me put the cookies… Read more »

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Thanks for the update, KFG. I often go dark here and don’t pay attention. Yeah, that little born again virgin spinner in college down in Houston. Damn, i’d still like to fuck her. She’s barely a 7 but petite and feisty, and so nubile.

So, Anon has always been Liz? I’m confused. Anon has been a fly in the ointment for a long time…And I can’t stand his commmentary but always liked Liz. Hmmm. Color me confused.

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scibblerg “The abject stupidity of the typical westerner when it comes to intersexual dynamics is mind-boggling. They just accept, axiomatically, the framing of male sexual imperatives as somehow negative or problematic, while never questioning female imperatives.” https://twitter.com/CasualSexProj/status/676824751231410178 Good point on the female imperative… I got beating up the most by women when they saw me looking at porn. https://twitter.com/CasualSexProj/status/679723968119582727 “But speaking of loads, I’ve often wondered why so many women go along with men cumming on their faces. At a certain point, I realized that it’s a demonstration of the male’s value so if she goes along with that, it… Read more »

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It’s as though she orgasms every time she posts a piece.

I think that your commenting about her makes her cum.

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@ bad day Illuminating explanation, but I remain strongly skeptical. The entire premise is reliant on hind-brain reaction only with not even an internal frame shift in her private thought/feel/hamster time. There are too many effective plays out there and both overt and covert reinforcement actions and attitudes to have to mess with this. I do understand comfort building techniques and this being an offshoot. I’m not so sure I want her comfortable. Squirming with a touch of fear seems to please her and me both most of the time. Good luck wishes appreciated but not needed. Cheers. Loading...

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@Anon – “once in a while”? LMFAO – try “nonstop”. And nobody follows. Could it be your “leadership” and febrile ideas? Your last comment on women’s ingroup selection biases is presented breathlessly as though we don’t know it. Giggling. Think more deeply, as I’m bored and want to fuck with you a little bit. Why do women have strong ingroup selection bias? Cuz they are meanies and oppressors? Or could it be that social order was more important than “fairness” in female social circles? That caring for the kids was life and death stuff while the men were out on… Read more »

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Scribblerg in Bites frame:
It’s as though she orgasms every time she posts a piece.

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I think that your commenting about her makes her cum.

C’mon, men, what is the thing that attention whores crave? No, not Brawndo…

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“Think more deeply, as I’m bored and want to fuck with you a little bit. Why do women have strong ingroup selection bias? Cuz they are meanies and oppressors? Or could it be that social order was more important than “fairness” in female social circles? That caring for the kids was life and death stuff while the men were out on the hunt or fighting or market etc., and that cooperation with friendly females was paramount to you and your kids surviving.” https://twitter.com/CasualSexProj/status/700700427826823168 “One of the reasons I have rarely had trouble with women wrt violence or cops or breakups… Read more »

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@ gamer

Sensitive? No need to be snarky about opposing viewpoints and opinions. I’m beginning to have doubts about your exploits and position being much more than your own perceived fantasy. You boast about basic shit like it’s a huge accomplishment. I’m old enough and experienced enough to not give a fuck how old and experienced you think i am. Is that enough? Why is it relevant anyway other than you posturing and peacocking self importance and superiority in front of other men? That’s a tell bro.

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“Women’s ego’s reallly are fragile, as anyone who has ever debated a Strong, Independent Woman should know; when the facts get too embarassing, they retreat to Don’t Hit Me, I’m A Girl.” 20’s something always sassy-talkin’ RN betatizing a sales rep yesterday: Oh, you can be one of the girls too. We can go shopping…you’ll fit right in. Me: Don’t let her do that to you, bro. Just point out something about her physical, emotional. She’ll back off. Her: What! What wrong with me physically? I can’t believe it! She then sulks…I walk over hug and stroke her head…See? She’s… Read more »

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Scribberlg @Anon – “once in a while”? LMFAO – try “nonstop”. Recently a woman told me I “always” do something that in fact I do quite rarely. Have you ever noticed how emotional your postings tend to be? Think more deeply, as I’m bored and want to fuck with you a little bit. Why do women have strong ingroup selection bias? Because of evolutionary pressures over the last N millennia. I’ve pointed that out before to you. Other men have also. Leading a horse to water.. Cuz they are meanies and oppressors? Or could it be that social order was… Read more »

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@Patch – So let me get this straight. You roll in like a boss, sort Gamer out (think you do) but when he responds in kind and puts you in your place, it’s his character defect? It’s a tell? But your reaction isn’t? Lol. Here’s a hint, don’t start an argument you don’t want to be finished. And you are as wrong as rain. You either don’t understand game as well as you think you do or are just being dense. He never claimed he wasn’t hot enough for her, he called her bluff. This is classic dread-inducing behavior. Turn… Read more »

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Giggling at ANON – who is in who’s frame now? Yes I left out deets. Sadly, you are never wise enough to try and do the same…

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So, Anon, don’t waste your time interacting with Bites. Why on earth do you think I need your remonstrations? Or are even slightly interested in them? I’ll fuck with her until I don’t want to anymore. You can continue to preen about your modest intellect, seeking whatever payoff it is you are after.

But get this. I told you I was baiting you – and you still took the bait, lol. You are so easy to manipulate.

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Giggling at ANON – who is in who’s frame now? Yes I left out deets.

You need to stop being so proud of your ignorance. It’s harming you.

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“although, again, I know of a man who got stabbed by his loving wifey and died on the scene.” Local black widow kills three husbands. Two by food poisoning, one by knife to chest. When questioned why she changed MO, she claimed “He wouldn’t eat his dinner.” “Physically we are like big, dumb animals to them.” Last month met some female college student studying zoology, particularly gorillas. One’s got a job training a Beta male and she’s impressively explaining her gorilla calming ability. “I put my hand on the screen and press against his it until he settles down.” I… Read more »

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Anonymous Reader https://twitter.com/CasualSexProj/status/721020841102860288 “Controlling men via their sex drive is important to a lot of women, and a man who is masturbating to porn isn’t totally under a woman’s control. He’s betaized, but not totally under control. As a side issue, I suspect that more than a little of the anti-porn hysteria in the churches has to do with the Female Imperative and not religous issues: the sheer one-sided nature, where “porn use” is described and ranted about only in terms of men, while 50 Shades of Grey goes unmentioned shows it’s not about religion. It’s not about “objectification”. It’s… Read more »

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EhIntellect Local black widow kills three husbands. Two by food poisoning, one by knife to chest. When questioned why she changed MO, she claimed “He wouldn’t eat his dinner.” That’s like something out of an O. Henry story. Truth can be stranger than fiction because fiction is supposed to make sense, as Mark Twain or some other writer once said. Last month met some female college student studying zoology, particularly gorillas. One’s got a job training a Beta male and she’s impressively explaining her gorilla calming ability. “I put my hand on the screen and press against his it until… Read more »

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Scrib: “Re: Anon’s cite – Look at how the dipshit author uses the term “radicalization”, borrowing it from Islamic Jihadis. As though seeing through the lies of feminism and prog-marxist ideology is a radical act of some sort.” The subject of IB’s (and funky Pastor Wilson’s) article was specifically radicalization. The specific example cited was Dylan Roof. Then hand-wringing about “what to do” and “why oh why”. Not long ago IB also brought up the subject of Elliot Roger (and Rollo responded there). I thought the article I linked to was pertinent in that context. He is a liberal Jewish… Read more »

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@ Scrib

Did not want to have an argument at all, just have a different perspective and I hold to it. I understand the concept. I differ that there is “dread on steroids” aspect. Dread in itself, full dread, is fully juiced. I have been to that place. Your point on condescension is well-taken. This has just become a distraction. Your insight is appreciated.

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@Sentient “It’s the Purple Pill dudes… the Blue betas who never can get a full shade of red going that repsist in this No Man’s Land… execpt it isn’t a No Man’s Land… he is ebhind enemy lines on his own, i.e. a captive.” Agreed. I’m convinced the purple-pilled guy are stuck in a scarcity mindset, which is a prison of their own making. Scarcity created a threshold of fear that the weak-minded, purple betas can not cross. Without abundance, there is no true outcome independence… it’s just a pathetic purple-pilled parlor trick for getting laid, instead of the life… Read more »

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@Scribbler: “I’m confused.”

Well it’s simple really. During the Great Cat Fight of 2016 one of them was Anon and the other anon. Now they are both anon. And then there’s anon and Anon, who are always someone else.

Got it?

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In internet time, months seem more like years.
But I think the Great Cat Fight started around 2015….

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Anon (purple gravatar) The subject of IB’s (and funky Pastor Wilson’s) article was specifically radicalization IB is an aging 2nd stage feminist who wants men to be controlled at all costs – but for their own good, of course. Doug Wilson is an aging White Knight who has become a bit purple around the edges due to some experiences; he’s years late to the scene with regard to feminism and the maltreatment of men in the US. He’s a bit useful because of his age he has some prestige in church circles, and his tiny tinge of purple beats the… Read more »

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“Anon is anon for reasons that have nothing to do (directly) with anyone on the internet.”

OK, got it. I suppose it even clears up a question. It just happened to occur during TGCF2016 which raised the question, now irrelevant.

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Local black widow kills three husbands. Two by food poisoning, one by knife to chest. When questioned why she changed MO, she claimed “He wouldn’t eat his dinner.”

Snort. Coffee up my nose

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” . . . I think the Great Cat Fight started around 2015….”

Time flies when you’re having fun.

“Two by food poisoning, one by knife to chest.”

Following the order of preference by the book. If she’d managed one more husband it would have been blunt force trauma.

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Chump No More I’m convinced the purple-pilled guy are stuck in a scarcity mindset, which is a prison of their own making. Scarcity created a threshold of fear that the weak-minded, purple betas can not cross. That’s surely true for some of them. For others, they just don’t want to face up to the full red-pill reality; they know what women are in an abstract sense, but at the same time they just “know” there’s a Quality Woman out there somewhere who’s…different…from all the rest. Splitting the difference between red pill reality and blue pill romantic fiction. Remember, men are… Read more »

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@ AR Yeah, a bit. Young, new guy. He was nervous about offending. Oh, I told him I’d be a great wing man for him too. Spittin’ truth like he’s never seen it. Did it more for my own humor and thought it an appropriate time to establish a little elbow room with this new speech code nonsense. The sliders analogy is spot on. Can’t be Beta then Alpha. That’d be disaster, I see it with other guys plugged in here. The women furtively, with tacit HR assist, set up the Beta trying to cad around. Doesn’t take much corroboration… Read more »

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The men who struggle to come to terms with this stuff fail to understand or cannot possible come to realize their purpose/ mission is to make the world their bitch.

You run bitches or get ran like a bitch

There are no other options.

So if you don’t have the balls to make the world your bitch, you have to live in the comforting lies like the blue pill

If your have the balls you don’t need the lies

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Gorilla whisperer story my favorite so far this thread. All she’s going to be able to think about from now on, every time she touches “the screen” is if King Kong wants to sex her. Faster than Usain Bolt in the 40, the strength of probably 8 full grown men, and the role model for ZFG. But she controls him. As long as the screen holds.

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