I feel I should begin here with a bit of a disclaimer. I don’t think any of my regular readers would ever presume this blog’s intent was anything but to help men unplug from their Blue Pill conditioning. With that unplugging comes a drive for self-improvement once a formerly Blue Pill guy has his moment of clarity and begins to see the influences that have shaped his life and his beliefs up to that stage. Along with this awareness comes a measure of anger, but mostly this is due to having long held ego-investments revealed for what they are – internalized beliefs that were developed as a result of Blue Pill social conditioning. I’ve covered this anger phase in Anger Management, The Five Stages of Unplugging, The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill and The Dangers of the Red Pill.
My purpose in writing what I do for as long as I have has always been to benefit other men, to hopefully unplug the guys who are on their last nerve, but have a desire to really understand the whats and the whys that have led them to the point in their lives where they are ready to dissolve the barriers that have prevented them from becoming Red Pill aware. It’s an unfortunate fact that our disillusionment from our Blue Pill investments is often spurred by a really bad trauma. The anger that follows is usually the result of self-regret more than directed at women as a source of it. When a guy who’s based his existence on Blue Pill idealism has it destroyed after having had it shape who he is for so long, the anger he feels usually comes from not having become aware of it sooner. That anger is directed inward or at the social order that’s held him in that idealistic delusion for so long. The frustration comes from wasting ones years invested in something that now seems so obviously false. That isn’t to say that some men wont carry this resentment over into a fully realized misogyny, it’s just to say that it begins from the regret of having lived what’s now an obvious lie for so long.
A popular misconception about the Red Pill – the popularized notion of it, not the actual praxeology – is that it makes men misogynists or it’s inherently negative, or it’s function is ‘truthful anger’. I am reminded of the explanation of the 32nd Law of Power:
The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment.
That disenchantment is really what’s at root here for those who would paint the Red Pill with the brush of anger, negativity or hate directed at women in general. There are certain elements within the manosphere and Purple Pill commercial interests that would like to turn a profit from this mischaracterization. They would sell a ‘cure’ for it with sunshine rhetoric and reheated narratives of the power of positive thinking that has been a secular religion for generations now.
Praxeology
The Red Pill, from the respect that I interpret it, is a praxeology. Simply put, it s the deductive study of human action, based on the notion that humans engage in purposeful behavior, as opposed to reflexive behavior like sneezing and inanimate behavior. With the action axiom as the starting point, it is possible to draw conclusions about human behavior that are both objective and universal. For example, the notion that humans engage in acts of choice implies that they have preferences, and this must be true for anyone who exhibits intentional behavior.
This is primarily why I continue to use the phrase ‘Red Pill awareness’ in what I write. Once a man truly unplugs and reorders his life according to what it presents to him, this developed awareness extends to many other aspects of his life than just his intersexual relations. This awareness makes men sensitive to others around him who, like he was, are caught in the same Blue Pill conditioned way of interpreting his personal and social existence. With a Red Pill Lens he begins to see the sales pitches, the ego-investment defenses, and the predictable responses of men and women whose lives have been colored by a feminine-primary social conditioning that has defined their lives for so long they are unaware of it, but would cease to exist without it.
Once a man comes into this awareness, once he sees the code in the Matrix, once he realizes how all-encompassing it is, the old him literally ceases to exist. He may well be the same man with the same personality, the same gifts and the same disposition, but his Red Pill awareness makes living in his old paradigm an impossibility. On some level of consciousness, no matter the cognitive dissonance, he knows the Blue Pill world, the world pulled over his eyes, is a lie. Sometimes this disenchantment of Blue Pill idealism can (usually does) lead to significant anger.
This anger doesn’t lessen the reality that the Red Pill praxeology has made him aware of. In fact, it may be that anger that inspires him to become more aware, more sensitive, to it. That anger may prompt him to add his experiences to that praxeology which in turn benefits others. For others, this disenchantment may be depressing or a source of nihilism. And for others it can be a liberation and motivation for a new and much more hopeful life founded on a new awareness of a condition he now has better control of. On many occasions I’ve attempted to address exactly this hopelessness.
From A New Hope:
The key to living in a red pill context is to unlearn your blue pill expectations and dreams of finding contentment in them, and replace them with expectations and aspirations based on realistic understandings of red pill truths.
Learn this now, you will never achieve contentment or emotional fulfillment in a blue pill context with red pill awareness.
Killing your inner Beta is a difficult task and part of that is discarding an old, comfortable, blue pill paradigm. For many newly unplugged, red pill aware, men the temptation is to think they can use this new understanding to achieve the goal-states of their preconditioned blue pill ideals. What they don’t understand is that, not only are these blue pill goal-states flawed, but they are also based on a flawed understanding of how to attain them.
I devoted an entire section in Preventive Medicine to that post. I expect this sentiment will be a bit of an inconvenience to the marketeers who’d rather misdirect those men seeking Red Pill awareness to believe that the “Red Pill” is just “Truthful Anger”. There is a lot to be very positive about in Red Pill awareness, but the ugly truth is that your Blue Pill existence, and the idealism it used to promise you, is now dead. As I’ve stated before, the truth will set you free, but it doesn’t make that truth pretty, nor does it absolve you of accepting it. Red Pill awareness is upsetting, but what follows from that unplugging, whether it’s anger and frustration or liberation and hopefulness is not the focus of becoming ‘aware’ in a Red Pill perspective.
Those are just possible, and fungible, outcomes of that awareness.
When I go into what I do on this blog or my books my point is to give men the tools of a new perspective. I’m not a Life Coach, a dating Guru or a motivational speaker. What I offer is the awareness that I, and many others, have contributed to what is Red Pill praxeology. I write what I do because I feel compelled to; the message and the awareness is my primary focus. While I do offer occasional, general advice about certain aspects of The Red Pill I generally try to resist being prescriptive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating, I’m not interested in making better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better men. My life and my interpretations of it are not going to be a template for anyone else to follow. Red Pill awareness, based on the praxeology of intersexual dynamics in the personal and social realms, will save and/or improve your life, but that life has to be lived by you as an individual.
The Red Pill®
All that said, this awareness does not preclude other men (and women) from attempting to profit by selling men a template upon which they believe others should follow. I covered this in The Purple Pill, but there’s a lot more to this profiteering. The term ‘Red Pill’ has evolved to the point where it’s become a brand unto itself. This leaves its popularity up for exploitation and reinterpretation to suit the commercial interests of whomever has a personal agenda or ideology they wish to promote as ‘Red Pill’. That term ‘Red Pill’ (not the praxeology) then becomes a convenient substitute for whatever subjective truth the one (or party) appropriating it would have others believe.
The bastardization of the Red Pill is something I’ve predicted for some time now. When I wrote Could a Man Have Written This? my concern then was that women would eventually appropriate and redefine ‘The Red Pill’ to serve the Feminine Imperative by bastardizing it to mean whatever best fit women’s purposes. The point in that (November, 2011) essay was that, in our feminine-primary social order, it is only women who are allowed to speak with authority about intersexual dynamics and that any man attempting to apply a measure of critical thought to those dynamics will immediately be accused of male bias and misogyny. As such, only women would be allowed to decide what aspects of the Red Pill praxeology ought to be part of the Red Pill brand.
Naturally, I reject that notion, but it is precisely what has happened with The Red Pill Movie; a documentary that is ostensibly about the MRM. I say ostensibly because, while on the surface it seems to be about the Men’s (human) Rights Movement, the focus of the film is really on its (I presume formerly) feminist director/producer Cassie Jaye, a cutesy 29 year old whose feminine-solipsism pervades the entire documentary as well as all of the post-production promotions and interviews.
Casie the feminist makes the entirety of the documentary not about the MRM as such, but more about her own ‘journey of self-discovery’, a common romantic theme that appeals to women’s innate solipsism. In every post screening interview about the film the story becomes primarily about her; the MRM just playing a supporting role in her ‘transformation’. This is sort of a poetic justice for the MRM who all too readily employ and endorse any and every ‘former feminist’ who’s not-a-feminist (until they become a feminist again) as part of their efforts to transform into more perfected egalitarian-equalists than the feminists they despise.
This film is not about The Red Pill, it’s about a 29 y.o. “feminist” actress-turned-indie-fim-director and her ‘journey of self-discovery’ in which an opportunistic MRM is only too happy to play as her supporting actor.
These are the faces the MRM wants to represent “The Red Pill”:
This is a pretty accurate depiction of how I expected ‘The Red Pill’ to be misrepresented back in 2011. It encapsulates the disingenuousness with which commercial interests (or solipsistic interests, take your pick) will portray ‘The Red Pill’ while blithely ignoring any effort to really understand the praxeology. That doesn’t make for good tingles of indignation for women, but a good outrage broker knows their what their audience wants.
However, we now have several other profiteers making similar claims about what the Red Pill really is and who ought to be able to redefine it to best serve their own motives. All of these factions have one common purpose; to reinterpret whatever bastardization of The Red Pill as a brand that will be a proxy for ‘truth’ whatever it is they are selling or what would affirm their ideology.
Todd from Real Social Dynamics picks up this profit model here:
Here we have a blatant attempt to reinterpret what the “red pill” is really all about by conflating the Red Pill brand with being the opposite side of a White Knight® coin. And again, it’s packaged in TL;DR easily digestible feints at humor. Anyone versed in The Red Pill praxeology understands just how Blue Pill Todd’s assertions here are (get a pre nup). This is the same Purple Pill sugar coating of Red Pill truths I’ve been warning against for years now, but it becomes potentially dangerous to men because it encourages them to follow the Children with Dynamite path with regards to Game. Learning Game becomes a quest of acquiring only enough understanding of the nature of women and intersexual dynamics (the ones that are palatable to the profit model) to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal-state monogamy that brought these men to look for their own answers in the first place. They are selling the key to a Blue Pill dream.
Ultimately, RSD Todd is selling this same, comforting, Blue Pill idealism, and a means to achieving it packaged as Game, while personally defining the Red Pill based on little or no understanding of the praxeology of it. Not to split hairs, but I believe this distortion on the part of both Todd and Cassie is intentional. Neither one made any attempt to really research or make any critical inquiry into what The Red Pill is, the dots it connects or the awareness it instills in men before they decided they were qualified to build their own brands around it.
I should add here that a lot of ideological factions have appropriated The Red Pill in recent years as a proxy for validating their own agendas. The Red Pill was always about intersexual dynamics from as far back as I’ve been familiar with it. I can remember using it as a term for awareness about men’s feminine-centric conditioning from at least 2002 on the SoSuave forums. We didn’t even refer to it as Red Pill as such so much as we’d call what we know as Blue Pill men (AFCs) as being trapped in the Matrix – unaware of their conditioning. It kind of went from there.
I’ll still continue to use The Red Pill as a term for the praxeology we use to come into an awareness of true intersexual dynamics, but I realize it’s becoming a bastardization. Roosh made an attempt to separate himself from The Red Pill going on three years ago, by trying to rebrand it as his own Neomasculinity, which hasn’t really made any real traction to my knowledge. However, the point is that whatever TRP is renamed as it will still be a branding effort on the part of those who see it as anything but a praxeology.
I’ve made this point in several prior posts, but, The Red Pill is the theory while Game is the practice and the fieldwork experimentation. Both inform the other, and one suffers without the other. This is what is at the heart of The Red Pill and it’s what shocks men into a new awareness and a new experience in life. It is not founded in pessimism, cynicism or misogyny, but rather, honest, unvarnished assessments and correlated experiences of men. Those assessments are often disconcerting, but they are only upsetting to a mindset that holds Blue Pill conditioned ideals as a correct interpretation of them. That can lead to those outside a practiced knowledge of it to believe that the awareness the Red Pill brings is a net negative. What is undeniable is the appeal of the truth The Red Pill presents and that appeal is attractive to men who are still trapped in their Blue Pill idealism.
Their want is to find some way to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal with the very harsh reality a Red Pill awareness brings to them. They want to be reinserted back into the Matrix, but with just enough Red Pill awareness to make their Blue Pill hopes a reality. They don’t believe The Lady in Red is real, but they do believe that she’s attainable and can be made real because they have the Red Pill awareness to effect it.
They also see the potential for selling a sugar-coated version of the Red Pill’s knowledge-base as a means for other men to achieve their own false hope in Blue Pill idealism. There really is no going back once you have a grasp of the praxeology of the Red Pill, but it’s a comforting fiction for Blue Pill men (who’ve yet to kill their inner Betas) to believe they can achieve those Blue Pill goals with just enough Red Pill awareness (the pro-feminine parts they think women will approve of).
And this false hope, one that conveniently ignores the uncomfortable parts of Red Pill awareness, is what will be sold by profiteers no matter what title they apply to it.
@ adam, about Todd Valentine…by talking fast todd is doing something called a frame crush. At the beginning of an interaction with a young entitled hottie, a great tactic is to talk fast and talk over her during the first minute or two of the interaction. Hesitation is interpreted as weakness. believe me he knows what he is doing, as I have used many tips from him to seduce a few girls in their twenties (Im 46). Todd is actually one of the most intelligent and effective so called “PUA”‘s out there. Watch more of Todd’s infield video’s, his game… Read more »
@ Pellaeon
mi·sog·y·ny
/məˈsäjənē/ noun
noun: misogyny
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.
” about Todd Valentine…by talking fast todd is doing something called a frame crush. At the beginning of an interaction with a young entitled hottie, a great tactic is to talk fast and talk over her during the first minute or two of the interaction. Hesitation is interpreted as weakness. …..”
This might explain why I have a very hard time listening to him for too long. Irl I’d tell him to slow the fuck down or shut the fuck up.
@mersonia
“Having a prenup is pretty much useless. Having a prenup and thinking it actually means shit is pretty much a disaster.”
sums up marriage
Lol, who gives a shit what you think about marriage? If you kept your piehole shut, you’d seem smarter.
The truth is the truth. A constant. Mankind will forever seek it out and know it for what it is, when confronted with it. I remember my first visit to The Rational Male. I read one essay after another. I spent hours, days and weeks reading through the site. For some of that journey I heard my blue pill self question the validity of what I was reading. But the voice in my head was faint as if struggling with the weight of this newfound knowledge. A sickly thing that wasn’t long for the world of illusions, it belonged to.… Read more »
“Learning Game becomes a quest of acquiring only enough understanding of the nature of women and intersexual dynamics (the ones that are palatable to the profit model) to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal-state monogamy that brought these men to look for their own answers in the first place. They are selling the key to a Blue Pill dream.” Dream girls and children with dynamite, etc., etc. I get all that. But here is where we apparently disagree. What I don’t get and absolutely do not agree with is “men are the romantics” and “men love idealistically”. Pffft. Those statements are… Read more »
@ollieoxenfree1 The truth is the truth. A constant. Mankind will forever seek it out and know it for what it is, when confronted with it. I remember my first visit to The Rational Male. I read one essay after another. I spent hours, days and weeks reading through the site. For some of that journey I heard my blue pill self question the validity of what I was reading. Sounds exactly what I went through… After my breakup I was looking for something – a model that explained the female/male interactions I had seen all my life. I think I… Read more »
“Under the old set of books, under the previous social contract that held monogamous/marriage relations as a mutual benefit, a contract that respected men as the primary Frame holder in those arrangements, sure, that may have been very Red Pill… What is Blue Pill today is the conditioning of men to cultivate them for servitude and deference to the feminine… That conditioning has replaced the old social contract with one that serves the Feminine Imperative.” So was wanting marriage Red Pill under the previous social contract? But the desire for marriage becomes Blue Pill under a different social contract. This… Read more »
@Rollo, I was thinking about your Field Report page and some of Rugby’s comments that link to the Casual Sex Project, and I thought of how cool it would be for you to have an “Unplugging Reports” page that is formatted with questions like the Casual Sex Project, but with questions that relate to how each Red Pill newbie found/reacted to finding the red pill and how they dealt with the different stages of unplugging. That would be a cool resource to have.
One thing about “equlaity”, we don’t see girls pulling snowplows out of drifts at -65 F.
http://www.kulr8.com/story/34094147/snowplow-drivers-get-stuck-in-65-below-zero-temperatures
“Hesitation is interpreted as weakness. ”
Ummmmm. No. Sloooooowing down your speech and forcing her to wait on your words is an alpha move…
Depends on your frame.
Agreed trying to turn a profit off the red pill requires watering it down. Otherwise you run the risk of alienating your largest possible market share
And yes that inculdes selling PUA advice cause it’s likely the typical dude going to one of those boot camp deals doesn’t want to be a born again player the rest of his days
” . . . it’s likely the typical dude going to one of those boot camp deals doesn’t want to be a born again player the rest of his days”
Most of them are simply trying to figure out how to get a girlfriend.
That’s funny, I seem to recall anticipating this phenomenon, oh, about 5 years ago,…
https://therationalmale.com/2011/09/22/dream-girls-and-children-with-dynamite/
Dalrock
http://wp.me/pXWyH-azT
@kfg
Most of them are simply trying to figure out how to get a girlfriend.
They want feelings, then sex, because feelings baptize sex with feminine goodness. It’s just like women’s justification for sex becuz feelz
@Sentient: you said… Ummmmm. No. Sloooooowing down your speech and forcing her to wait on your words is an alpha move… Depends on your frame. I say…. This is what is so fascinating about game, yes depending on the context having slow speech can be seductive to a girl. however, if the girl is your typical attention whoring hottie, then interrupting her and talking fast can be effective too. dominating her with your voice and always having a snappy comeback, especially in the daytime, when a cool slow James Bond voice is a little out of context. This is a… Read more »
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWuqIcKuqWQ&w=640&h=360%5D
The Red pill according to the MRM is about the MRM. When they ask each other, when did you first take the red pill? It means when did you realise that men are actually disadvantaged in the world today. It’s about men’s rights. Not about male and female dating and relationships. Hue Jass — Except that they *never* used the term to describe themselves at all until it became popularized by other manosphere sites and groups. Rollo is right. They will use the term when they think it benefits them, and then discard it when they think it doesn’t. There… Read more »
MiddleagePUA
especially in the daytime, when a cool slow James Bond voice is a little out of context. This is a major difference between day and night game.
Use what works for you… but I have to throw a little James Marshall on this here ^^^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Co9K7NuC7E
So this is night,but early… lots of pauses, very little snap crackle or pop…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVkgY5UBQ3s
Full sunshine….
Contrast is a powerful game tool.
But note Jame’s frame and attitude… he controls via frame setting not frame grabbing.
There honestly isn’t really much that is red pill about the MRM. They’re very feminist, they just see feminism as not living up to its own “equality” standards and want to fix that. They want more feminism, a more complete feminism, and not less. What they are looking for will simply destroy men, period. There’s nothing red pill about it at all. Once again Novaseeker puts the final nail in the coffin as far as I’m concerned. MRM/MRA always struck me as something of a joke. Deep inside my blue pill cocoon, never having heard of Rollo, manosphere, or even… Read more »
@Sentient But note Jame’s frame and attitude… he controls via frame setting not frame grabbing. Great way to describe James Marshal. You phrased it well. Just recently I noticed that Marshal doesn’t use PUA gimmicks to establish dominance; ie push/pull, negs, cocky teases, etc. He just controls the frame and shows incredible male confidence. I love his style. It is so mature. He is better described as a “gentleman seducer” rather than a PUA (although they reduce to the same fundamentals). Thing is most men won’t be able to do what he does. It really does take a solid inner… Read more »
@ Lost Patrol I agree about MRA coming off as a bunch of mewling supplicants. The whole idea with TRP is that nobody gives a shit about what you do with your life, and it’s up to you to take control and establish your own Frame, being your own mental point of origin and being your own man. Depending on other people perceiving you or treating you a certain way is not Red Pill. That video about the “Red Pill” documentary is the perfect illustration of the inherent contradiction in turning The Red Pill into some kind of MRA movement:… Read more »
“You know I did put a link in that pre-nup quip there:…”
Smaller font makes it nearly impossible to see the little line of dots underneath. Rereading the coquetry post and took a little while to realize you were talking about an article that was hot linked in one of the sentences.
Bigger dots and/or bigger font would help that.
As usual a great insightful post….. As I’ve been following the Red Pill since the Fomentation Of Roosh pre Bang being released and absorbing the writings from the original Roissy, As well as Purchasing both of your books; my interpretation of the red pill has always been about making your life your mission, and the girl is just a side benefit of the work you’ve put into because you want her there. All the while recognising the imperative forces inside the female mind (Hypergamy) that can cause strife and derail whatever mission that man is on. It really is that… Read more »
Is that the world you live in?
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@Rugby11 Divorce her immediately. Stop the bleeding. THEY ARE BOTH LIVING LIES. Why live a lie? The relationship is based on lies and fallacious impossible paradigms well established before they even met. He pledged his life to a set of lies. His pledge controls his life. He does not. The divorce will be very costly, but a continued relationship will cost far more in the long run both financially and emotionally. This woman continues a relationship with her boyfriend from the past behind her husbands back intentionally deceiving her husband who supports her fairytale lifestyle. Now she bemoans the fact… Read more »
She is about to hit the wall. He should mind fuck the hell out of her and toss her over it. Let whatever losers and betas eat the leftovers. Now that he has experience and a chance to be aware, he can optimize his situation and enjoy life without slaving away killing himself for a lie.
He should absolutely DITCH THE BITCH IMMEDIATELY. Her next move will be to get pregnant and use the child as a hostage against him. She trapped him into financing her fairytale lifestyle with the help of her culture and “family values”. He now risks being sentenced to a lifetime of misery and resentment. Get out. Get away. GET RID OF HER.
This plate shouldn’t be dropped. It should be slammed against the wall and shattered into a million pieces as an example to the other plates.
[…] fame, laments what he calls, “The bastardization of the Red Pill,” in a post called The Awareness. From what I can glean, bad press, observable misogyny, and of course, women, have stolen the […]
Hello, thanks again for a great post. I’d like to put forward a controversial point that I fully expect to be either ignored or shot down – but I feel compelled to say it. I’m aware it’s unusual to think this way as a woman and so I anticipate a lot of scepticism coming my way. We’re all comfortable with the idea that men are “victims” of the Matrix/Feminine Imperative. Whether you see yourself as a victim or not is beside the point – men are told from birth that the way they are born is just not good enough.… Read more »
“men are told from birth that the way they are born is just not good enough . . . However, I’d like to . . .”
. . . make it about the wimmenz.
@Zoe
However, I’d like to propose the idea that women are also “victims” of the “Feminine Imperative” (I can imagine a lot of derisive snorting here).
and right you are – modern women are also victims… Try reading up the archives if you dare.
I’m sure someone here will provide a few links to past articles.
@kfg
. . . make it about the wimmenz.
I think it’s about both sexes… the whole “women aren’t happy” thing…
Ok, I apologise for causing offence. It was poorly judged – sorry again.
I don’t think anyone’s ever argued against the fact that our feminine-primary social order distorts women’s natural instincts and sells them on fantasy expectations of Fempowerment and over-inflated egoism.
The difference is that men are neither allowed to criticize that conditioning nor are they allowed to highlight their own. If they expose the social conditions and psychology that ‘victimize’ women they are accused of misogyny and chauvinism. If they raise awareness to their own victimization they are ‘less than men’ for complaining about it.
https://therationalmale.com/2016/04/24/fempowerment/
https://therationalmale.com/2014/10/13/validation-hunting-the-jenny-bahn-epiphany/
https://therationalmale.com/2014/07/15/separating-values/
@Zoe: “Ok, I apologise for causing offence.”
Fear not, fair maiden, for you have done nothing of the kind. I am amused, because you are, consistently, so very much a girl. My pointing finger was not the moon.
@Disgruntled Earthling: “I think it’s about both sexes… ”
Certainly, as has been well covered here.
“Fear not, fair maiden, for you have done nothing of the kind. I am amused, because you are, consistently, so very much a girl. My pointing finger was not the moon.” LOL, Zoe, fear not is right. KFG was just gently fitness testing you as you were dipping your foot in a male space. You caved a bit too fast there Zoe It is understood and goes without saying (because it is axiomatic) that Feminism is most certainly not a plus for the sisterhood. (Minimally helping the collective of women in a top down fashion, destroying joy on the individual… Read more »
gb_hill He just controls the frame and shows incredible male confidence. I love his style. It is so mature. yeah James is a great model… he has been to the mountaintop and knows what he likes and just goes about it. His overview of relationship phases should be mandatory viewing… very Platinum Rule. But your and middleagepua notes bring another thought to mind. I was once told a story by a child psychologist. He was interviewing a little girl like 4 YO. he was sitting behind his desk and talking to her and she was on the floor playing with… Read more »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfYGgJ_tkHY
technique vs. principles
@Rollo I think that there’s a lot of pushback against women who oppose fempowerment, but this site isn’t about that issue, though anti-fempowerment is tangentially related. @Zoe brings up a point that ties into both the FI and the Red Pill, but on the feminine side. Zoe, you have to let men cycle through the anger phase of discovering the Red Pill…defending women will just prolong their anger. Your points are better addressed to women on a blog for women, though a pingback to Rollo’s post might be helpful to you by letting men see another, non-hostile (maybe even friendly)… Read more »
Marshall’s Five Principles
Awareness, Intent, Emotional Impact, Pressure & Release, Decisive Action…
Great watch… sums up many aspects of my game, can relate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cIlDtv5f48
Jame’s four ways… nothing, a little bit, something, something more…
@Sentient I’ve never really had faith in the PUA scene and even less watching some of RSD’s material. How does Tyler do it? For a man who can barely verbalise a proper sentence. He certainly does seem to have a lot of followers. Contrast this with James Marshall and you’ve got to wonder how RSD are still in business. James comes across as authentic (at least in the 3 videos I’ve seen of him) and highly intelligent. He’s also a natural in the way he communicates. Of those 5 principles I lack intent, pressure and release (I put the pressure… Read more »
@ Sentient ” But your and middleagepua notes bring another thought to mind. I was once told a story by a child psychologist. He was interviewing a little girl like 4 YO. he was sitting behind his desk and talking to her and she was on the floor playing with something and whispering… and he kept asking her the same questions until he was across the room next to her on his hands and knees to hear her because she never came closer or raised her voice… Ahhhh yesss…. Quick Story- I was in Florida last week for a B-Day… Read more »
“The difference is that men are neither allowed to criticize that conditioning nor are they allowed to highlight their own. If they expose the social conditions and psychology that ‘victimize’ women they are accused of misogyny and chauvinism. If they raise awareness to their own victimization they are ‘less than men’ for complaining about it.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VmZSymq0obE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7-86VDIfKDM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bbieKj2m4pU
@Zoe Don’t feel bad for us. The reality is that a man can be successful, romantically and otherwise, just by being a man. But for a woman to have the best chance at fulfilling her biological imperative, she should be looking for a good man to start a family with in her 20s. Most women know this, of course — but it is very much *against* the gender script to say it. Of course the reality is that modern society does not particularly care if women become mothers. But it *really* cares that men work — in fact, it would… Read more »
@ Rollo “The difference is that men are neither allowed to criticize that conditioning nor are they allowed to highlight their own. If they expose the social conditions and psychology that ‘victimize’ women they are accused of misogyny and chauvinism. If they raise awareness to their own victimization they are ‘less than men’ for complaining about it.” This lines up with the burden of performance. There seems to be little else men can do but quietly absorb and process all of the pain and frustration of this Catch 22 in solitude. The bright side is after all that absorbing and… Read more »
You were vague in defining the red pill in this post. Something to do with waking uo to the reality of feminism and true male sexuality.
Of course women are victims of feminism. But you do it to yourselves. There is no reason to see you as a true victim any more than a rapist or a drug addict. Feminism is like a drug pusher giving you really good drugs for free and you take it then you are hooked. Feminism is like a country giving a foreign invader free money and the right to rape its women with no consequence. Yes those rapist invaders are going to hell and have sold their souls to the devil but they still chose to do it given the… Read more »
The truth doesn’t have an expiration date and neither does the red pill.
Hey Blaximus! My dad used to do this same sort of funny ridicule to the females in my family growing up. All went through some rough spots in life but they are all married and have kids and are good wives.
One of them even dropped her divorce at the behest of my dad. She is still working because she still has a feminist side to her, but she is doing well for the most part and is in a happy marriage. That is how you raise girls. Don’t treat them like princesses.
Ollioxenfree…Tyler Durden stole almost all of his material from Neil Strauss and Mystery. He’s fraud in that regard. Other than that, the early PUAs had a lot of legit stuff to say and cracked the code of seduction to some extent. They were of course flawed individuals. Strauss seemed to be the most level headed of the bunch.
@Ollie
How does Tyler do it? For a man who can barely verbalise a proper sentence
Tyler is autistic…realtime verbal skills aren’t his strongest asset…however, he more than makes up for his deficiencies in verbal skills with his NONVERBAL skills, which are quite awesome…he excels at approaching women, making eye contact, sexualization, entitlement, leading women physically, testing them for compliance, escalation, and instigating for isolation. If you excel at these things, you can be talking about the weather and still get laid, lol.
Zoe: “We are born with feminine traits like docility, submissiveness, nurturing instincts, and we are predisposed to look up to, admire, and even adore the men in our lives. But we are told that all of these traits are bad and we are laughed at for showing them.”
On the bright side, there has never been a time in history when so many have been availed of so much information on which to base those cost/benefit calculations. We see a thousand examples of how things pan out each and every way a person chooses to behave.
“How does Tyler do it? For a man who can barely verbalise a proper sentence. He certainly does seem to have a lot of followers.” Tyler has a very attuned level of comedic timing. So, he might just reword something that first guy said a little and with him it’s a hit and makes her laugh. Then he turns to the camera, “See? I’m the fucks, he’s the bucks…” Comedic timing is pretty important (for the show, not necessarily the actual score). Throwing a line one way or another can lead to completely different outcomes depending on context in the… Read more »
I started to watch both of the videos you linked to in this post and I couldn’t listen to their blathering for more than a minute. It’s just a bunch of faggotry repackaged for men whose egos are still firmly rooted in a blue pill existence.
@Reb
Of course women are victims of feminism. But you do it to yourselves.
Otoh, there are plenty of male femininsts. We men do it to ourselves, using your logic.
Deep down men don’t really believe that bullshit. They do it out of fear of losing their job or being thrown in jail or they think they are going to get some pussy from it. Eventually they realize it’s bullshit or even immoral. Women are unable to reach those conclusions on their own. It’s the forbidden fruit scenario with Adam and Eve all over again.
“How does Tyler do it? For a man who can barely verbalise a proper sentence. He certainly does seem to have a lot of followers.” What Tyler and company does is capitalize on the fact that many men don’t believe or understand that they can approach and talk to any woman/girl that they’d like to. Personally, I find his entire shtick annoying as hell, but I’m not a chick. Chicks, even hb8-9’s will not just automatically shut down a guy that tries to banter and chat with them. The fear is unjustified, but most guys will not get this point… Read more »
The secret sauce of the ONE RSD video I have watched was that Tyler was gaming a chick who was drunk off her ass. Which, granted, is not a bad place to start.
Tip o’ the fedora, m’lady
Preach it Blax
ASD has a good breakdown of the (mostly unremarked upon by RSD) behavior Tyler is mostly relying on. Blax “Sorry, I’m not buying the rsd vids 100%. There’s some shit missing.” One area that they have not fully come clean on, to me, is how developed their social circles have been for a long time (years), and what translates from that in terms of reactions they get in LA, LV, South Beach and NYC… being in the same places and clubs a lot, bringing tons of thirsty dudes through with them, etc. That and the whole worked for Playboy bit.… Read more »
@Blax Chicks, even hb8-9’s will not just automatically shut down a guy that tries to banter and chat with them. Blax, what you fail to realize is that these girls all have bitch shields which are very effective in keeping men away…men who see them and accept them. What you call “banter” is really quite complicated…1) you open a girl…2) she activates the bitch shield and her demeanor is dismissive and cold (this blocks most of the top 10% of men who have the balls to cold approach one of these hotties)…3) you (Blax) neg her, tease her, poke fun… Read more »
If talking to chicks was that complicated I would never get laid.
@Ton
Spoken like a true natural. hah
Something cool happened last night. I went out dancing and met a buddy at a bar…I had invited him. I introduced my buddy to a broad. She came over to where we were sitting…chatted him up…and got his number. Just before she left, she thanked me for bringing my buddy to the bar–that was the cool part. Just before I left, I sat with my buddy in his truck, watching this broad blow up his phone with her texts, lol. Inside edition. Ask me why I don’t like to give out my phone no. to broads…they will blow up my… Read more »
@blax @Ton lol Once again, the naturals. Blax got laid at 13. Ton apparently banged the homecoming queen and tons of chicks in high school or whatever. So OF COURSE to you guys its not big deal. You’ll say shit like: If talking to chicks was that complicated I would never get laid. Of course. Because you got laid early on. You’ve got all these reference experiences of “oh yeah, there was that one time of that girl at the car place, that threesome that one time and OH YEAH that one time in vegas was crazy…” So of course… Read more »
@blax @asdgamer “Chicks, even hb8-9’s will not just automatically shut down a guy that tries to banter and chat with them.” Blax, what you fail to realize is that these girls all have bitch shields which are very effective in keeping men away…men who see them and accept them. What you call “banter” is really quite complicated…1) you open a girl…2) she activates the bitch shield and her demeanor is dismissive and cold (this blocks most of the top 10% of men who have the balls to cold approach one of these hotties)…3) you (Blax) neg her, tease her, poke… Read more »
@ Hank Okay, okay bro. Take your foot off my neck now…lol. You’re right. I get it. ….but I still am no fan of the videos. It doesn’t matter though. And don’t get it twisted little brother, when I waltz up to have a convo with some smokeshow, the first thing they see is some huge, old guy with a little bit of a belly and a shitload of grey hair. Lol. My motivation today is much different than when I was a young whipper-snapper. I already know what they’re thinking, but what I know is that we’re gonna have… Read more »
Blax
So of course you can just walk up to girls and start talking. this is the part Hank misses… Everyone had a first, everyone started the journey the same way… Some started it just walking up to a girl and talking, hell MOST guys in history have done just this.
when this is not the norm, then you need to examine the reasons why… it really isn’t magic, if you’ve not been laid by your mid 20’s there are things you are doing that are holding you back.
It’s not them. it’s you.
Less natrual and more 0 fucks given….. which granted helps a whole lot
But come on man, don’t the videos look stagged?
@Blax Some started it just walking up to a girl and talking, hell MOST guys in history have done just this. Not this…nowadays, most guys wait for a girl to catch their eye…THEN they start walking towards the girl. You and I, we didn’t wait for the girl to make the first move by eye-flirting–we just approached. It’s important to pay attention to subtle cues and dynamics. @ton Less natrual and more 0 fucks given….. which granted helps a whole lot Yep, and pussy is just pussy…a whole lot of meaning tied up in that phrase. The videos look edited,… Read more »
oops, should have addressed part of my comment to Sentient
Hi again. Christmas day falls such that all the girls are back from school and out tonight. I’ve been testing this opening with success: Merry Christmas. Now honey, is your stocking hung by the chimney with care? Yes>is it full?>yes>Oh! you’ve have been a good girl this year. I can see by your heels/dress/ jeans/visible brazier you’re back to bad girl. Spankings! and on and on. Merry Christmas, now honey, is your stocking hung by the chimney with care? Yes>is it full?>no Now honey! You HAVE been a bad girl. tsk, tsk. You know a full stocking is a satisfied… Read more »
Hey Rollo, great content as usual. FYI Todd honestly just hadn’t read your book. I myself only read your book about 3 months ago based on a friend’s recommendation – it’s a classic and I’ve been recommending it to clients. Todd hadn’t read it and his understanding of TRP was from years of guys who show up on our forum (and social media comments) talking about how women are “bitches and whores” etc. And there’s been a lot of them over the years, so I’m guessing he felt very confident in his context. PUA has the same issue where it’s… Read more »
Trialed it just again on HB7: Oh, you’re completely ridiculous, EhIntellect! (backhand slap to abdomen). Laughs around. Chatting up girls is fun, ain’t it?
Ehintellect Good ones… here is another You: So….. what did you get me for Christmas? [puts things in your frame off the bat… she has three typical responses, and one other] 1 Her: Nothing. You: Oh I see a Christmas hater… Scrooge!!!! Grinch!!!! [teasing] Her: Blah blah You: I know… you’ve heard I’m naughty… 2 Her: [reframe] IDK What did you get me! You: whoa whoa whoa… slow your roll here girl… let’s get to know each other first. Goldigger… 3 Her: What did you want? You: I’d like this heavy burden lifted from me… you know?…. It’s not easy… Read more »
@Sentient @EhIntellect, good ones. I’m stealing those. I’ve been saying, “So what’s Santa getting you for Christmas?” Then I’d follow with, “If you could get anything, what would it be?” This gets them into fairy tale land and they’re all bubbly. Gotten close to a few new waitresses/girl bartenders lately with this.
Another one I like is they always ask you:
Girl: “How are you doing?”
Me: “Well, I’ll be much better tomorrow.”
Girl: “Why, what’s tomorrow.”
Me: “I get better looking every day.”
http://www.stevenpressfield.com/2016/12/do-this/?mc_cid=a84aa39670&mc_eid=1a72fd3c93
https://m.soundcloud.com/user-580652804/the-mark-baxter-podcast-episode-2-illimitable-man?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter
@Tyler Kudos! You made a great and politically-aware post! Well done at defusing some butthurt comments. Maybe RSD isn’t a monolithic organization and there are variations in the viewpoints of its spokesmen. Maybe there’s no anti-TRM agenda at RSD and maybe it’s a win-win for TRM and RSD to form an informal marketing alliance. Todd hadn’t read [“The Rational Male”] and his understanding of TRP was from years of guys who show up on our forum (and social media comments) talking about how women are “bitches and whores” etc. To your comment…Todd saw people in the anger phase of TRP,… Read more »
@Rollo: Merry Christmas.
@Commenters: Merry Christmas.
Like many of us in here, when I stumbled upon the manosphere, I felt very uncomfortable about the truths in there, and especially the direct and plain approach which Rollo, Roosh and Roissy used to make some of their assertions. It was like an assault on my mind.. If I were a woman, it is only natural that I would want to not face the ugly truth of the Red Pill. If the Red Pill is something to the effect that women divide men into two groups, the alphas; and the rest. And that women like sex with alphas, actually… Read more »
@Rollo and all, Merry Christmas and happy Friday, fellas! Going out to happy hour.
FR test success:
Merry Christmas, honey. Are all your Christmas dreams coming true?
Oh, yes, oh ha-ha.
Really? Hm. How many crotchless panties/leather chaps/Pure Romance gift cards does a woman need?
Last minute gift to yourself:
Tony Kelly’s coffee table book Tony’s Toys [interesting]
And a taste of vacation next week….
@Tyler: thank you for the many good, free, in-field videos, and thank you for clarifying your own take on Red Pill, as described by Rollo in his book as a good example. What happened with Todd is expected if your opinion of Red Pill is formed from random “unplugged” guys (such as most Reddit’s TRP posters or the random guys Todd was exposed to). Isn’t it true that you also had a negative opinion of women in your early days (I think when you initially started having success with Game, and possibly getting girls that were married / in LTRs)?… Read more »
Dear Pajama Boys,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amK4U4pCTB8
Merry Christmas,
The FI
RE prenups: I have a hunting buddy who is a judge. He routinely throws pre-nups out. He won’t get married again because pre-nups are no defense against divorce rape.
Take this message to the bank, cucks.
kfg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_f53ZEJxp8TtlOkHwMV9Q
@IAS: Yes I’m sure I was pretty confused about women’s behavior in my early days, so I totally get it. I never begrudged a guy going through an angry phase – it’s not the best final destination, but I could understanding experiencing that for a period of time. What I wanted to clarify to Rollo is that from Todd’s perspective (having not read TRM) the term “those crazy red pill guys” was synonymous to him with angry forum and social media posters who make over the top comments. He was unaware there was a proper movement or in depth philosophy… Read more »
@Tyler The idea that Red Pill guys are “angry” is a perception that requires context. Guys unplugging are angry. When you realize everything you were conditioned to believe about women was a lie…it’s a rude awakening. You will read posts here from guys who are angry but it’s part of the stages of unplugging. I’m nearing the point where I’m not angry. I’ve accepted the biological nature of women is something that factors into an overal male female sexual dynamic. You can with the flow but once you unplug you can’t go back. Mourning the loss of your naïveté plays… Read more »
@Rollo
I read in The Rational Male that a Quality Woman is a myth, but that higher quality women can be made. Could you expand on that in a future post?
Seems pretty rash to say “those crazy/ angry red pill guys” with little or no deeper investigation then reading some shit on the interwebz
@all
Merry holidays and happy Christmas to all.
May your plates asses be firm and their libidos willing, may your plates and offspring have the sense to follow your lead. May you lift heavy in the new year and not strain anything outside of bedtime gymnastics.
Grant YSG’s the wisdom to wrap their shit and occassionally listen to OMG’s, May OMG’s have the patience and respect for YSG’s to listen to what they have to say about young girls these days.
@Rollo, thanks for all, a guiding light in stormy times as always.
Peace to you men.
For your consideration
https://www.patreon.com/user?u=3019121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE
[Already have, it’s excellent.]
The FI isn’t anti rape. They are anti sex with betas
I’ll see your hippie song and raise you one
https://youtu.be/bigZ1fmwD-Q
@Tyler: Rollo actually does read most comments, so he will probably spot yours (and as he is the host, I think he gets access to the e-mail you used to make the comment). That said, Rollo suggests people that want to e-mail him to drop their own e-mail in the about section: https://therationalmale.com/about/comment-page-4/#comments In your case I wouldn’t drop a private e-mail there as anyone could see it, but you can use one of your public ones or a throwaway just for the purpose. Still @Tyler, as you are reading this, about the free tours. I thought about going to… Read more »
http://cdn.redalertpolitics.com/files/2016/01/racists-rapists.jpg
And from the Shoe on the Other Foot Dept:
If you really cared about the human rights of Arab women you would have the basic decency to organize military gang rapes to show them you love them:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124674#.VKtBnMb4jeI
Think that sign was actually a photoshop job.
But a good one.
(the original read “Will trade racists for refugees”)
On another note, the “Vote for Trump” graffiti artist/church arsonist has been arrested.
A parishioner of the church. What a shocker.