I feel I should begin here with a bit of a disclaimer. I don’t think any of my regular readers would ever presume this blog’s intent was anything but to help men unplug from their Blue Pill conditioning. With that unplugging comes a drive for self-improvement once a formerly Blue Pill guy has his moment of clarity and begins to see the influences that have shaped his life and his beliefs up to that stage. Along with this awareness comes a measure of anger, but mostly this is due to having long held ego-investments revealed for what they are – internalized beliefs that were developed as a result of Blue Pill social conditioning. I’ve covered this anger phase in Anger Management, The Five Stages of Unplugging, The Bitter Taste of the Red Pill and The Dangers of the Red Pill.
My purpose in writing what I do for as long as I have has always been to benefit other men, to hopefully unplug the guys who are on their last nerve, but have a desire to really understand the whats and the whys that have led them to the point in their lives where they are ready to dissolve the barriers that have prevented them from becoming Red Pill aware. It’s an unfortunate fact that our disillusionment from our Blue Pill investments is often spurred by a really bad trauma. The anger that follows is usually the result of self-regret more than directed at women as a source of it. When a guy who’s based his existence on Blue Pill idealism has it destroyed after having had it shape who he is for so long, the anger he feels usually comes from not having become aware of it sooner. That anger is directed inward or at the social order that’s held him in that idealistic delusion for so long. The frustration comes from wasting ones years invested in something that now seems so obviously false. That isn’t to say that some men wont carry this resentment over into a fully realized misogyny, it’s just to say that it begins from the regret of having lived what’s now an obvious lie for so long.
A popular misconception about the Red Pill – the popularized notion of it, not the actual praxeology – is that it makes men misogynists or it’s inherently negative, or it’s function is ‘truthful anger’. I am reminded of the explanation of the 32nd Law of Power:
The truth is often avoided because it is ugly and unpleasant. Never appeal to truth and reality unless you are prepared for the anger that comes from disenchantment.
That disenchantment is really what’s at root here for those who would paint the Red Pill with the brush of anger, negativity or hate directed at women in general. There are certain elements within the manosphere and Purple Pill commercial interests that would like to turn a profit from this mischaracterization. They would sell a ‘cure’ for it with sunshine rhetoric and reheated narratives of the power of positive thinking that has been a secular religion for generations now.
Praxeology
The Red Pill, from the respect that I interpret it, is a praxeology. Simply put, it s the deductive study of human action, based on the notion that humans engage in purposeful behavior, as opposed to reflexive behavior like sneezing and inanimate behavior. With the action axiom as the starting point, it is possible to draw conclusions about human behavior that are both objective and universal. For example, the notion that humans engage in acts of choice implies that they have preferences, and this must be true for anyone who exhibits intentional behavior.
This is primarily why I continue to use the phrase ‘Red Pill awareness’ in what I write. Once a man truly unplugs and reorders his life according to what it presents to him, this developed awareness extends to many other aspects of his life than just his intersexual relations. This awareness makes men sensitive to others around him who, like he was, are caught in the same Blue Pill conditioned way of interpreting his personal and social existence. With a Red Pill Lens he begins to see the sales pitches, the ego-investment defenses, and the predictable responses of men and women whose lives have been colored by a feminine-primary social conditioning that has defined their lives for so long they are unaware of it, but would cease to exist without it.
Once a man comes into this awareness, once he sees the code in the Matrix, once he realizes how all-encompassing it is, the old him literally ceases to exist. He may well be the same man with the same personality, the same gifts and the same disposition, but his Red Pill awareness makes living in his old paradigm an impossibility. On some level of consciousness, no matter the cognitive dissonance, he knows the Blue Pill world, the world pulled over his eyes, is a lie. Sometimes this disenchantment of Blue Pill idealism can (usually does) lead to significant anger.
This anger doesn’t lessen the reality that the Red Pill praxeology has made him aware of. In fact, it may be that anger that inspires him to become more aware, more sensitive, to it. That anger may prompt him to add his experiences to that praxeology which in turn benefits others. For others, this disenchantment may be depressing or a source of nihilism. And for others it can be a liberation and motivation for a new and much more hopeful life founded on a new awareness of a condition he now has better control of. On many occasions I’ve attempted to address exactly this hopelessness.
From A New Hope:
The key to living in a red pill context is to unlearn your blue pill expectations and dreams of finding contentment in them, and replace them with expectations and aspirations based on realistic understandings of red pill truths.
Learn this now, you will never achieve contentment or emotional fulfillment in a blue pill context with red pill awareness.
Killing your inner Beta is a difficult task and part of that is discarding an old, comfortable, blue pill paradigm. For many newly unplugged, red pill aware, men the temptation is to think they can use this new understanding to achieve the goal-states of their preconditioned blue pill ideals. What they don’t understand is that, not only are these blue pill goal-states flawed, but they are also based on a flawed understanding of how to attain them.
I devoted an entire section in Preventive Medicine to that post. I expect this sentiment will be a bit of an inconvenience to the marketeers who’d rather misdirect those men seeking Red Pill awareness to believe that the “Red Pill” is just “Truthful Anger”. There is a lot to be very positive about in Red Pill awareness, but the ugly truth is that your Blue Pill existence, and the idealism it used to promise you, is now dead. As I’ve stated before, the truth will set you free, but it doesn’t make that truth pretty, nor does it absolve you of accepting it. Red Pill awareness is upsetting, but what follows from that unplugging, whether it’s anger and frustration or liberation and hopefulness is not the focus of becoming ‘aware’ in a Red Pill perspective.
Those are just possible, and fungible, outcomes of that awareness.
When I go into what I do on this blog or my books my point is to give men the tools of a new perspective. I’m not a Life Coach, a dating Guru or a motivational speaker. What I offer is the awareness that I, and many others, have contributed to what is Red Pill praxeology. I write what I do because I feel compelled to; the message and the awareness is my primary focus. While I do offer occasional, general advice about certain aspects of The Red Pill I generally try to resist being prescriptive. I’ve stated this before, but it bears repeating, I’m not interested in making better men, I’m interested in men making themselves better men. My life and my interpretations of it are not going to be a template for anyone else to follow. Red Pill awareness, based on the praxeology of intersexual dynamics in the personal and social realms, will save and/or improve your life, but that life has to be lived by you as an individual.
The Red Pill®
All that said, this awareness does not preclude other men (and women) from attempting to profit by selling men a template upon which they believe others should follow. I covered this in The Purple Pill, but there’s a lot more to this profiteering. The term ‘Red Pill’ has evolved to the point where it’s become a brand unto itself. This leaves its popularity up for exploitation and reinterpretation to suit the commercial interests of whomever has a personal agenda or ideology they wish to promote as ‘Red Pill’. That term ‘Red Pill’ (not the praxeology) then becomes a convenient substitute for whatever subjective truth the one (or party) appropriating it would have others believe.
The bastardization of the Red Pill is something I’ve predicted for some time now. When I wrote Could a Man Have Written This? my concern then was that women would eventually appropriate and redefine ‘The Red Pill’ to serve the Feminine Imperative by bastardizing it to mean whatever best fit women’s purposes. The point in that (November, 2011) essay was that, in our feminine-primary social order, it is only women who are allowed to speak with authority about intersexual dynamics and that any man attempting to apply a measure of critical thought to those dynamics will immediately be accused of male bias and misogyny. As such, only women would be allowed to decide what aspects of the Red Pill praxeology ought to be part of the Red Pill brand.
Naturally, I reject that notion, but it is precisely what has happened with The Red Pill Movie; a documentary that is ostensibly about the MRM. I say ostensibly because, while on the surface it seems to be about the Men’s (human) Rights Movement, the focus of the film is really on its (I presume formerly) feminist director/producer Cassie Jaye, a cutesy 29 year old whose feminine-solipsism pervades the entire documentary as well as all of the post-production promotions and interviews.
Casie the feminist makes the entirety of the documentary not about the MRM as such, but more about her own ‘journey of self-discovery’, a common romantic theme that appeals to women’s innate solipsism. In every post screening interview about the film the story becomes primarily about her; the MRM just playing a supporting role in her ‘transformation’. This is sort of a poetic justice for the MRM who all too readily employ and endorse any and every ‘former feminist’ who’s not-a-feminist (until they become a feminist again) as part of their efforts to transform into more perfected egalitarian-equalists than the feminists they despise.
This film is not about The Red Pill, it’s about a 29 y.o. “feminist” actress-turned-indie-fim-director and her ‘journey of self-discovery’ in which an opportunistic MRM is only too happy to play as her supporting actor.
These are the faces the MRM wants to represent “The Red Pill”:
This is a pretty accurate depiction of how I expected ‘The Red Pill’ to be misrepresented back in 2011. It encapsulates the disingenuousness with which commercial interests (or solipsistic interests, take your pick) will portray ‘The Red Pill’ while blithely ignoring any effort to really understand the praxeology. That doesn’t make for good tingles of indignation for women, but a good outrage broker knows their what their audience wants.
However, we now have several other profiteers making similar claims about what the Red Pill really is and who ought to be able to redefine it to best serve their own motives. All of these factions have one common purpose; to reinterpret whatever bastardization of The Red Pill as a brand that will be a proxy for ‘truth’ whatever it is they are selling or what would affirm their ideology.
Todd from Real Social Dynamics picks up this profit model here:
Here we have a blatant attempt to reinterpret what the “red pill” is really all about by conflating the Red Pill brand with being the opposite side of a White Knight® coin. And again, it’s packaged in TL;DR easily digestible feints at humor. Anyone versed in The Red Pill praxeology understands just how Blue Pill Todd’s assertions here are (get a pre nup). This is the same Purple Pill sugar coating of Red Pill truths I’ve been warning against for years now, but it becomes potentially dangerous to men because it encourages them to follow the Children with Dynamite path with regards to Game. Learning Game becomes a quest of acquiring only enough understanding of the nature of women and intersexual dynamics (the ones that are palatable to the profit model) to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal-state monogamy that brought these men to look for their own answers in the first place. They are selling the key to a Blue Pill dream.
Ultimately, RSD Todd is selling this same, comforting, Blue Pill idealism, and a means to achieving it packaged as Game, while personally defining the Red Pill based on little or no understanding of the praxeology of it. Not to split hairs, but I believe this distortion on the part of both Todd and Cassie is intentional. Neither one made any attempt to really research or make any critical inquiry into what The Red Pill is, the dots it connects or the awareness it instills in men before they decided they were qualified to build their own brands around it.
I should add here that a lot of ideological factions have appropriated The Red Pill in recent years as a proxy for validating their own agendas. The Red Pill was always about intersexual dynamics from as far back as I’ve been familiar with it. I can remember using it as a term for awareness about men’s feminine-centric conditioning from at least 2002 on the SoSuave forums. We didn’t even refer to it as Red Pill as such so much as we’d call what we know as Blue Pill men (AFCs) as being trapped in the Matrix – unaware of their conditioning. It kind of went from there.
I’ll still continue to use The Red Pill as a term for the praxeology we use to come into an awareness of true intersexual dynamics, but I realize it’s becoming a bastardization. Roosh made an attempt to separate himself from The Red Pill going on three years ago, by trying to rebrand it as his own Neomasculinity, which hasn’t really made any real traction to my knowledge. However, the point is that whatever TRP is renamed as it will still be a branding effort on the part of those who see it as anything but a praxeology.
I’ve made this point in several prior posts, but, The Red Pill is the theory while Game is the practice and the fieldwork experimentation. Both inform the other, and one suffers without the other. This is what is at the heart of The Red Pill and it’s what shocks men into a new awareness and a new experience in life. It is not founded in pessimism, cynicism or misogyny, but rather, honest, unvarnished assessments and correlated experiences of men. Those assessments are often disconcerting, but they are only upsetting to a mindset that holds Blue Pill conditioned ideals as a correct interpretation of them. That can lead to those outside a practiced knowledge of it to believe that the awareness the Red Pill brings is a net negative. What is undeniable is the appeal of the truth The Red Pill presents and that appeal is attractive to men who are still trapped in their Blue Pill idealism.
Their want is to find some way to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal with the very harsh reality a Red Pill awareness brings to them. They want to be reinserted back into the Matrix, but with just enough Red Pill awareness to make their Blue Pill hopes a reality. They don’t believe The Lady in Red is real, but they do believe that she’s attainable and can be made real because they have the Red Pill awareness to effect it.
They also see the potential for selling a sugar-coated version of the Red Pill’s knowledge-base as a means for other men to achieve their own false hope in Blue Pill idealism. There really is no going back once you have a grasp of the praxeology of the Red Pill, but it’s a comforting fiction for Blue Pill men (who’ve yet to kill their inner Betas) to believe they can achieve those Blue Pill goals with just enough Red Pill awareness (the pro-feminine parts they think women will approve of).
And this false hope, one that conveniently ignores the uncomfortable parts of Red Pill awareness, is what will be sold by profiteers no matter what title they apply to it.
[…] The Awareness […]
Great post. This Red Pill awareness is something I stop to think about in every interaction. I just texted a girl I banged: “I have a surprise for you…” Her reaction was: “Looking forward to it…” I had to then analyze, and re-analyze….”Was I being beta?” “Was I trying too hard?” “Is this too much of a people pleasing text???” The point is I may in fact be over-thinking it because that whole Red Pill transition even after 7 years is still not yet complete. The years of Blue Pill conditioning, the co-dependency, the anxiety are still challenges. I still… Read more »
A good read generally but the end about how to keep fortune is funny:
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/12/18/no-nonsense-machiavelli-the-prince/
I will never watch a movie about men’s rights made by a woman. And I call anyone who donated money to it instead of men who are in actual need a piece of shit. How many fathers are going without dental work because they’re paying ridiculous amounts of child support. How many dads didn’t vote this election to stay off the grid? How many are living in dumps while their children feel poor unless they have the latest smart phone? The money that “men” donated to that self-promoting hag could probably have settled countless custody cases. Or, hey, given men… Read more »
The lady in red is unattainable. The loyal wife is a fiction. The ride or die woman will hop off the bitch-seat at the next gas station. Because the gas in your tank will run out. You will need to refuel. And other thirsty men will await you there- with hungry eyes, muscles bulging, out numbering you. The war bride is also a lot lizard. The lot lizard is also your bride, in your human moment. Don’t be imperfect, ever. If your BOP falters for a nano second, it’ll mean it was all your fault anyway. But try living this… Read more »
@Rollo “The Red Pill was always about intersexual dynamics from as far back as I’ve been familiar with it.” Thanks I thought I was the only one. A lot of people confuse it with a mix of a mens rights movement , MGTOW and “masculine self improvement” . “A popular misconception about the Red Pill – the popularized notion of it, not the actual praxeology – is that it makes men misogynists or it’s inherently negative, or it’s function is ‘truthful anger’.” The confusion about what red pill conveniently allows this obscured view of it. Since most popular Manosphere and… Read more »
I have thought long and hard about the “Red Pill but not Jerk” issue. Ultimately I have realized that Red Pill is only placing the man’s needs first. AND centering his actions around his needs. As a father of both boys and girls I want to be nice and say that females have an existence outside of men’s needs for procreation. BUT… BUT the reality is that women are here for the purpose of birthing babies. The other activities a woman has in her life are merely anecdotes to that reality. A man is not a Jerk to realize he… Read more »
Joe K, read this article and see if you can locate yourself.
https://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/
Various rebranding attempts that i’ve observed :-
1. Alt Right / Trump Supporter
2. Christian Conservatism / Family values / Traditional Patriachy
3. Red pill women (oxymoronic?)
4. Men’s rights
5. Misogynist
The red flags that i watch out for are moralizing and game-denialism.
Once again that’s why I’ll say I like the rational male because its a look into the red pill that’s not* biased towards misogyny.
Huehuehue earlier typo……….. I should proof read one of these days
@JoeK – My mom found a wild half-starved kitten once and brought it in. Thus far, its life had obviously been hardscrabble and cutthroat because even at about 8 weeks old the little fucker was always bowed up, hissing, fangs and claws at anything and everything. When we tried to feed it, it was very aggressive and didn’t hesitate to claim and take every bit even from the much larger adult cats. Two pieces of food fall about 8 inches apart on the floor. The kitten rushes over and places one paw on each piece so that its arms are… Read more »
As long as we have people like you,the core meaning of TRP philosophy will remain untainted.
But unfortunately,i can see how ‘re-branding’/trademark could stray away many potential individuals from TRP.
Blue pilled men,can now hamster and excuse their way out of a hard but potentially beneficial truth,with the help and comfort of a dilluted but easier to digest RP.
The difference now is that BP man have to smash their face one more time and go deeper.
Rollo ” Anyone versed in The Red Pill praxeology understands just how Blue Pill Todd’s assertions here are (get a pre nup). ” mersonia I mean if you want kids that seems to be the idea. No. Just no. Prenups can’t say anything about child custody, as has been explained by multiple men including at least one lawyer. Furthermore, prenups can protect wealth but not income. So a billionaire could make sure his Sun Valley house is in his name, while allowing a different house in his bride’s name. Joe Accountant can’t do that, because he only has one house,… Read more »
You know I did put a link in that pre-nup quip there:
The loyal wife is a fiction.
All bow before @Joe K, the Omniscient. lol
Ang Amer What purple pill men REALLY want is to be men but still have women give them good press (good press without shaming by older women). I believe that ultimately a man must DECIDE which constituency he wants to court – Fertile Jerk loving young women, or Infertile Wimp loving older women. That’s interesting. For sure, the purple pill is an attempt to have the Red PIll cake and still appease women. This is why it must always fail, obviously. However, I dunno about that older women / younger women dichotomy, women’s ingroup preference applies across age ranges. Of… Read more »
@Anon Read “No. Just no. Prenups can’t say anything about child custody, as has been explained by multiple men including at least one lawyer. Furthermore, prenups can protect wealth but not income. So a billionaire could make sure his Sun Valley house is in his name, while allowing a different house in his bride’s name. Joe Accountant can’t do that, because he only has one house, and it’s most likely going to be part of the joint assets depending on state.” Prenup better than no Prenup bud bud. There be more joes than just joe accountant and joe plumber buddy.… Read more »
mersonia Prenup better than no Prenup bud bud. Prove it. Or even demonstrate it. There be more joes than just joe accountant and joe plumber buddy. It’s like a broken condom better than nothing lol How? Explain in detail how a prenup will do anything for an ordinary middle class man, whose total wealth consists of a 401K, maybe a pension plan, a mortgaged house with stuff inside it, and a couple of cars. “I can agree with Rollo that for RSD Todd to just casually drop “Have a prenup” into a video is ignorant. Furthermore it’s really, horribly ignorant,… Read more »
Anonymous Reader
Give me one reason a man whos going to do walk into a marriage ( why lol) shouldn’t get a prenup.
Explain in detail how getting an prenup will be detrimental for an ordinary middle class man, whose total wealth consists of a 401K, maybe a pension plan, a mortgaged house with stuff inside it, and a couple of cars.
“Furthermore it’s really, horribly ignorant, because it sends men down the AFC path.”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Marriage
But try living this way ‘forever’ with a hot white western chick currently under 28-29 years old. I. Does she do GNO? Is there any ancient wisdom that speaks to this? And behold, a woman comes to meet him, Dressed as a harlot and cunning of heart. She is boisterous and rebellious, Her feet do not remain at home; [GNO, anyone?] She is now in the streets, now in the squares, And lurks by every corner. Prov. 7:10-12, New American Standard Bible Ditch a girl who does GNO. II. Women entice men on facebook and cell phones. Again, we ask,… Read more »
….lol
@Joe K(er) You are confused, angry and unobservant. Your exhortations about red pill guys (like me) being purple pill are just trolling. You don’t actually read Rollo do you. If you did you can see this original post is a synthesis of over 500 essays and fifteen years of his writing. And it is actually not designed to be negative. Just truth by deduction. “The need of man to have a mission is a pre fab construct. ” Damn right its a pre-fab construct. By 50,000 years of the evolution of the firmware that makes up males. That is how… Read more »
Nice perspective Rollo. What I’ve witnessed is that not only will women try and abscond with Red Pill, but that many men ( outside of marketeers ) either do one of two things: they take The red Pill like a shotgun blast to the head, or they go overboard into misogyny and/or nihilism. The stages or unplugging for some appear to go on and on and on….for an inordinate amount of time. This stuff is hard enough for many to grasp and deal with, and it’d be a real shame if any group of men only saw it as a… Read more »
@SJF
“No one’s wasting time. They are only for apex red pill men. Move along on that thought.”
Tell me more about this apex red pill man who engages in an LTR .
“They don’t work for 1st marriages. Paradoxically, the better the marriage (length, child rearing and financial success) the less they are worth anything.
They are designed for third marriages.”
…..That’s the point.
“Explain in detail how getting an prenup will be detrimental for an ordinary middle class man, whose total wealth consists of a 401K, maybe a pension plan, a mortgaged house with stuff inside it, and a couple of cars.” Honest question: If the daughter of Rollo Tomassi, SJF, Blaximus, or Sentient came home one day and said: “Dad, I want to marry this guy and he asked me to sign a Pre-Nuptual agreement.” What message does that say about the prospective son-in-law. Does that sound legit to the wives of any of these fathers. Fucking weak-assed non-committed loser–that’s what. My… Read more »
Joe K is still in the anger stages of unplugging.
“Unattainable” is not in a Red Pill guys vocabulary because his frame is always about him being the prize.
mersonia
Give me one reason a man whos going to do walk into a marriage ( why lol) shouldn’t get a prenup.
No problem, it’s a waste of money unless he’s got serious wealth. Done.
Now your turn, I asked you to prove or demonstrate something, can’t you do it?
“Tell me more about this apex red pill man who engages in an LTR .” You don’t read the (frequent) OMG commenters over the last two years much, right? How unhappy are those guys consistently and authentically sounding? How much whining are these guys doing about Red Pill realities? Is Red Pill Awareness a positive or negative thing? Are you happy? Do you have agency and real power? If not what are you going to do about it? It has nothing to do with prescribing a platform for another man’s sexual strategy, his relationship strategy, or his child bearing strategy.… Read more »
@SJF “Honest question: If the daughter of Rollo Tomassi, SJF, Blaximus, or Sentient came home one day and said: “Dad, I want to marry this guy and he asked me to sign a Pre-Nuptual agreement.” “What message does that say about the prospective son-in-law. Does that sound legit to the wives of any of these fathers. Fucking weak-assed non-committed loser–that’s what. My answer would be thank you for having one foot out the door, but no thank you.” Its going to be a sad day when she says ” Dad I respect your decision but I “LOVE” him and I’m… Read more »
@ Joe K… The lady in red is unattainable. The loyal wife is a fiction. The ride or die woman will hop off the bitch-seat at the next gas station. Because the gas in your tank will run out. You will need to refuel. And other thirsty men will await you there- with hungry eyes, muscles bulging, out numbering you. The war bride is also a lot lizard. The lot lizard is also your bride, in your human moment. Don’t be imperfect, ever. If your BOP falters for a nano second, it’ll mean it was all your fault anyway. But… Read more »
Praxeology? Wow, that means that the Red Pill is the second branch of praxeology to be developed! What took so long? 🙂
@SJF “You don’t read the (frequent) OMG commenters over the last two years much, right? How unhappy are those guys consistently and authentically sounding? How much whining are these guys doing about Red Pill realities?” Don’t consider anyone here a Apex Red Pill individual “Is Red Pill Awareness a positive or negative thing?” Depends on the individual . Understanding Objective Reality is Amazing in my opinion. Ignoring it also amazing in my opinion. “It has nothing to do with prescribing a platform for another man’s sexual strategy, his relationship strategy, or his child bearing strategy. What do you not understand… Read more »
“Prenup better than no Prenup bud bud.”
Having a prenup is pretty much useless. Having a prenup and thinking it actually means shit is pretty much a disaster.
@Kfg
“Having a prenup is pretty much useless. Having a prenup and thinking it actually means shit is pretty much a disaster.”
sums up marriage
@mersonia Though Disgruntled earthling disagrees with me and believes that Red Pill is just the knowledge of the red pill and that the individuals don’t use the knowledge. I’m not so disgruntled anymore – I just like the name… Wasn’t aware I disagreed with you (maybe I did but my short term memory isn’t what it used to be – and I’m not here for the conflict), but I do remember saying something about knowledge – or what Rollo terms as praxeology. What individuals do with the knowledge is up to them. Hopefully they have the maturity to get by… Read more »
Now comes Mersonia… to waddle and quack…
http://www.hotel-r.net/im/hotel/gb/waddling-duck-5.jpg
All wet and KJ’ing his heart out…
and this Joe K is a troll…
quack.
@DisgruntledEarthling
It was a misunderstanding I guess/
” What individuals do with the knowledge is up to them. Hopefully they have the maturity to get by the anger phase and start developing as a new unplugged person in their own way. I know I did.”
Good stuff mate
@mersonia
We cool
“The loyal wife is a fiction.
All bow before @Joe K, the Omniscient. lol”
Just basic human psych. Joe K is probably as likely (in his circle of influence/understanding), to come across a woman (or perhaps anyone else, just basing this analysis on his posting style) who places a premium on loyalty, as he is to come across a two dollar bill. It’s so rare it’s pretty much a myth. Kind of like the average Sanders/Nader/insert whomever voter couldn’t imagine anyone was voting for anyone else.
Rollo
“This awareness makes men sensitive to others around him who, like he was, are caught in the same Blue Pill conditioned way of interpreting his personal and social existence.”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S2_tiZXcsUs
The Oracle: Because you didn’t come here to make the choice, you’ve already made it. You’re here to try to understand *why* you made it. I thought you’d have figured that out by now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaRYQlsjy4
Rollo, do/have you read von Mises or Rothbard?
@anon
Kind of like the average Sanders/Nader/insert whomever voter couldn’t imagine anyone was voting for anyone else.
lol, blinders firmly secured
Great post. I’ve been a reader of this blog for about a year; red pill aware about two years ago from a difficult breakup with my (pretty much) fiancé and I couldn’t agree more with this article, specifically: “There is a lot to be very positive about in Red Pill awareness, but the ugly truth is that your Blue Pill existence, and the idealism it used to promise you, is now dead. As I’ve stated before, the truth will set you free, but it doesn’t make that truth pretty, nor does it absolve you of accepting it. Red Pill awareness… Read more »
@Blax
•”But what … is it good for?” — Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip.
Making keyboard jockeying possible, you Ninny! 😉
mersonia
sums up marriage
Have you told anyone at RSD this? Like RSD “have a prenup” Todd?
“Don’t consider anyone here a Apex Red Pill individual” That is definitely a problem. When you want to get agency and have real power, you should look to individuals that do and not be so skeptical. Do you at least have any fleeting mentors for your own mission? Purpose and mission is actually a thing for males (firmware). Ignore your true nature and the nature of women at your own risk. Do you actually have an aversion for you as a man to have strength, courage, mastery and honor (among men)? Do you actually not like and derive energy from… Read more »
“Waiting for Godot?”
A fool’s mission. When Rosencrantz and Guildenstern get back nobody’s going to give a crap about Godot.
You would think these RSD guys with their “mastery” of game would take the time and actually research more into what TRP actually is. Or like Rollo alluded to, they in fact know it but are just marketers rebranding it to make bank, I wouldn’t be surprised.
That’s probably the first RSD video I have seen that actually attempts to discuss TRP in any detail and its terrible, then again I stopped watching this crap a while ago.
Btw, where’s YaReally? His great RSD educators just embarrassed themselves lol
The big problem I have with all of the men’s rights movements is that their existence implies that men be treated and treat themselves as victims. Women go on journeys of self-discovery. Men make themselves – period. You can’t forge a male identity by being a victim and you cannot get someone else to do it for you by proxy. Which is why I like Rollo’s assertion that men need to make themselves better men. Anyone who tells you that they can change your life is trying to sell you something. The only person who can change your life is… Read more »
Also, anyone seen videos of RSD Luke? Its the fat guy that is “flipping” everything on its head and basically reversing game tactics like saying you should be needy, you shouldn’t isolate, etc. LOL there no end to this stuff.
“You can’t forge a male identity by being a victim . . .”
. . . nor can you do so without standing up for your rights.
kfg,
Are you saying that you feel the need to have “rights” for the sole reason that you have a penis?
@Adam:
Nope. I am saying that having rights is a consequence of having balls.
What I have said previously is that there is only one actual natural right, the others all being dependent corollaries to that one.
The 300 and the 10,000 were all men.
Just watched the entire Todd Valentine video. Talk about painful, particularly the bearded freak that shows up and starts talking at the speed of a teenage girl. One thing spiked my interest as he used some poker terminology. I’ve been in the poker world for a fairly long time so I did a little search on Todd. Came up with a thread on the 2+2 poker forum where a poster challenges Todd’s claim that he was a winning player at 600/1200 limit hold em. That is a huge game requiring a bankroll of around 400 grand. I might do some… Read more »
kfg,
Having respect is a consequence of having balls. Not rights. Don’t conflate the two. A real man does not require rights to be a man. Rights are bestowed by someone else.
“You would think these RSD guys with their “mastery” of game would take the time and actually research more into what TRP actually is. Or like Rollo alluded to, they in fact know it but are just marketers rebranding it to make bank, I wouldn’t be surprised.” Tyler and Julien have actually synthesized it, but they have have a $broader$ mission. “Btw, where’s YaReally? His great RSD educators just embarrassed themselves lol” They have not embarrassed themselves at all. Because the are true to form. And YaReally is just taking a well deserved sabbatical to find himself after a great… Read more »
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are sycophants who are really serving as spies. They don’t actually get back (in Hamlet). They are pawns in the Matrix. Good luck with that lack of agency. Mersonia and Joe K are them. (Vladimir and Estragon) Just Pawns waiting for Godot. Which is existential nihilistic bathos, Blah, Blah, Blah. Nothing to live for. Everything to claw down, whining, biting and taking everything they can down with their worldview. But they can’t actually define their worldview. That would take effort and a slight bit of pain because of lack of power and agency. My take: They can’t… Read more »
After reading this and watching the clips,I will forego buying a ticket to the red pill movie and instead buy another copy of “Iron Joe Bob” the “real founder of the men’s movement”.
Just watching the clip pisses me off,and Joe Bob Briggs is always good for some laughs.
Can’t waste time being mad about what can or can’t be changed.
@Adam: “Having respect is a consequence of having balls. Not rights.” I meant balls literally, although the metaphorical follows from that. Having respect comes from invoking your single real right. “Rights are bestowed by someone else.” And there is your misconception. I would have thought that invoking the 300 and the 10,000 (both of the 10,000 for that matter) would have been sufficient clue. Let me quote the leader of of the 300: “Molon Labe.” And of the 10,000: “But if any other course, in any one’s opinion, be better than this, let him, even though he be a private… Read more »
@ Blax You saved me tonight with all those quotes. Those are really inspiring. And a perfect demonstration of why not to give in to cynicism/depression. Long story short: naysayers are full of shit. @ Rollo Read through the OP and only watched a few minutes of each video. I don’t know how you have the patience for dissecting all that stuff, but I’m glad you do, because your rebuttals are so well constructed that they’re irrefutable. Bastardization for profit is quite an ugly thing. And only serves to stunt the growth of men who need the *real* unprocessed truth,… Read more »
Also, I’ve said this before, but it’s worth repeating: I love my male friends. And more so than ever since TRP. I used to be so distracted by being incel that I was bearing a grudge against all my friends for having sex with women regularly. I felt so fucked up and angry and alienated. Now that I’ve gotten some experience, and more importantly, RP awareness to go with it…I am truly enjoying my time with my friends like I never thought possible. I used to fantasize about a blue pill relationship with a woman, and felt listless and empty… Read more »
@Softek
Play this on your smartphone through earbuds while fucking your girlfriend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgWWBou1IbE
And then this:
A professor of mine coined a phrase which amply best reviews the Red Pill Movie: It fills a useful void. The vid may be a fetching chick’s journey to fitter us sad sacks our and maybe become some MRA’s dream Red Dress Woman. Sure, it’s useless as a first look at the red pill. But a whole lotta SJW’s and special snowflake hipsters pitched quite the hissy fit that it was even proposed, let alone made. There was much twit-warring to kill it and it’s funders. Jezebelians made it a crusade. They didn’t want any man to even know it… Read more »
The one spot I can’t recall Rollo ever addressing is the societal impact of the red pill. As I’ve come to understand it, Western Civilization was built on the backs of happy beta males doing what they needed to do to make their “woman” happy. Feminism came in and took an axe to the old rules and the mostly church enforced social constructs are now all but gone. The TRM version of the red pill excels at saving the individual male, but I’m not sure how it saves society. The AVM branch of the red pill simply hasn’t given up… Read more »
AVfM is not a branch of the Red Pill. In fact, up until Jaye decided to do a film ostensibly about them, MRAs have gone to great lengths to dissociate themselves from anything TRP. They adopt it now because it has brand recognition, but the moment anyone in the mainstream associates Roosh or PUAs or TRP with the MRM they raise hell to disown the Red Pill. MRAs are Blue Pill as any Beta you know. Every major character in the MRM suffers from the same egalitarian equalist mindset, only it’s worse because unlike feminists who use equalism for convenience,… Read more »
@Mersonia and Joe K(er) You guys remind me of this: trying to kick you off our pant legs with you scratching at the hull of the red pill. Like trying to shake a booger off after picking a nose. Clawingly relentless of of you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Fi46BFAF0 “Nautical Disaster” I had this dream where I relished the fray And the screaming filled my head all day It was as though I’d been spit here Settled in, into the pocket Of a lighthouse on some rocky socket Off the coast of France, dear One afternoon four thousand men died in the water here… Read more »
” How does one fully embrace the TRM version of the red pill without becoming nihilistic with respect to society?”
Society is the purview of women.
This thing is on for real. Big time. “The TRM version of the red pill excels at saving the individual male, but I’m not sure how it saves society.” It doesn’t. Why do you think Frame is Power? “I think when civilizations reach this point collapse is inevitable.” A reasonable assumption. What are you going to do about that for you? “Eventually a new society will rise up from the ashes and it will be patriarchal out of necessity and it all starts over.” Oh Really You have those forecasting abilities? “How does one fully embrace the TRM version of… Read more »
@Anon “Have you told anyone at RSD this? Like RSD “have a prenup” Todd?” I have never been an advocate of RSD ,and only watched their videos yareally linked due to the fact that they had good infields and some good material on social conditioning. If you feel so strongly about it you should be and active apex red pill male and reach out to them and show them the error of their ways though. I have told you before I rarely have time to even bless you with my comments on here honey. @SJF “That is definitely a problem.… Read more »
“Society is the purview of women.”
Yes it most certainly is. What does a guy do about it?
So get up off your ass as a man and make the scope of the influence or concerns of something be in your frame.
? Make your range of experience or thought your own mental point of origin?
You guys are fighting, rather than embracing Rollo’s Red Pill praxeology and not understanding the ideology of the Feminine Imperative..
How to be a nihilist and not become a depressive or do nothing apathetic:
the water fountain behind the girl in red dress is from martin place, sydney, australia 😉
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/84758796.jpg
@Michael Day:
That equation is commutative.
Blue Pill idealism is to some extent realizable if the female will totally surrender to the man of her choice. No exceptions. The man she chooses is her boss.
It also means she is paying attention to her responses so she understands herself. And she has to accept her responses as valid.
The odds are against it.
But it is a very old concept. So old it is mentioned in the Old Testament. Which makes it well over 2,000 years old.
What is sexism?
http://wp.me/p6SXrP-jeh
My red pill conversion led me to the conclusion that to be able live life on the terms that I want I would need to make some changes that most men would consider dangerous. I decided that I would derive my income from the black economy . I decided that I needed the ability to prosper in this economy independent of my location. I’m no longer prepared to pay taxes to support what society has become, the only taxes that I will pay are the unavoidable indirect taxes that are built-in to my expenditure. I refuse to endure corporate life… Read more »
@Play don’t pay
Thanks for the morning pep talk!
@Fred flange
Busted a gut reading your comment thanks man!
> Their want is to find some way to achieve a Blue Pill idealistic goal with the very harsh reality a Red Pill awareness brings to them. They want to be reinserted back into the Matrix, but with just enough Red Pill awareness to make their Blue Pill hopes a reality. They don’t believe The Lady in Red is real, but they do believe that she’s attainable and can be made real because they have the Red Pill awareness to effect it. If the Blue Pill goal is marriage and 2.5 kids, what is the Red Pill goal? King of… Read more »
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoldmundUnleash/status/811033769423568896
https://mobile.twitter.com/GoldmundUnleash/status/811212292775964672
To me, the red pill is a verb, not a noun. The RSD Cyphers try to treat it like a proper noun, but they are wrong. You can’t trademark a verb.
@Rollo, I believe this is the best post I’ve ever read from you.
@Guest
“If the Blue Pill goal is marriage and 2.5 kids, what is the Red Pill goal? King of my world, harem ready for my needs? Or MGTOW? Or marriage, but on the man’s terms?”
The Red Pill goal is what you want
“If the Blue Pill goal is marriage and 2.5 kids, what is the Red Pill goal? King of my world, harem ready for my needs? Or MGTOW? Or marriage, but on the man’s terms?”
Yes.
Red Pill is descriptive, not prescriptive. It frees a man to define his own goals. Hence the issue of dealing with nihilism.
“@Rollo, I believe this is the best post I’ve ever read from you.”
I was thinking the same thing. And presuming it is a cornerstone of his third book.
I was also thinking it must be confusing for someone that is un-initiated to read. (Do those new to red pill read the 12 nested links in the essay and then read those other 12 essays?)
Like @TheRedGuest with a false premise.
So Rollo, is Dalrock blue pill? The term “blue pill goals” keeps getting thrown around but what about those that hold to literal God given objective standards of morality and social order. Was Moses blue pill in 13th century BC?
It seems like “in favor of Patriarchal Monogamous Marriage” is equated with blue pill when those societies beat out other cultures in history. You can recognize that it is illegal in the current climate but I don’t see how wanting it to return is blue pill, if society breaks down it will make a comeback like it always had.
RSD Todd probably comes across a lot of bitter dudes that he associates with the red pill.
That director’s boyfriend gives off a weird vibe. Maybe because he is not used to being in front of the camera.
“With that unplugging comes a drive for self-improvement once a formerly Blue Pill guy has his moment of clarity and begins to see the influences that have shaped his life and his beliefs up to that stage.” it’s that time of year when “self-improvement” pops up. diet, gym, blah, whatever. and none of it ever sticks. why? because the idea of self-improvement is cash cow bs. the hopi have been living continuously on black mesa for longer than anyone else has been living in the same spot in north america. their life sucks. but it was good enough to stay… Read more »
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2016/05/the-conflict-bindrune/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07qZDuxXSsk
http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2016/07/no-one-will-ever-make-america-great-again/
Under the old set of books, under the previous social contract that held monogamous/marriage relations as a mutual benefit, a contract that respected men as the primary Frame holder in those arrangements, sure, that may have been very Red Pill. Alpha is a mindset, not a demographic. What is Blue Pill today is the conditioning of men to cultivate them for servitude and deference to the feminine. Blue Pill is not about what you are, it’s about what you’re taught in accordance to your utility as a man while preventing you from being aware of it. In this era, for… Read more »
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/ancient-ceramics-show-skill-sharing-social-networking-pre-columbian-era/
rock art
rock music backatcha…[picture a cave man pounding two rocks together and chanting, “Ook, ook!” over and over]
For the OMG’s:
http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110906.gif
Married Dread Field Report I told Mrs. Gamer that a woman had invited me to her party. Mrs. Gamer: How do you know her? Gamer: We both go to the same meetup. Mrs. Gamer: Does she know that you’re a married man? [Disparagingly] What kind of woman is she? She must not think that you’re happily married, if you even are. Ta-dum. Dread strikes again. I smile at Mrs. Gamer and go do my stuff. Mrs. Gamer goes upstairs to work. After a couple of hours, I go see Mrs. Gamer at her keyboard. She turns to me when I… Read more »
” . . . picture a cave man pounding two rocks together . . . ”
Better yet, try it. You will likely find yourself, after only a fairly short span of time, seeking better rocks for the purpose and experimenting with better banging technique.
And so we go from this:
http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/content/images/2004_4837.JPG
To this:
http://www.archaeologysouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/bow_and_arrows_NAU_virtual_museum.jpg
To these:
http://www.archaeologysouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/bow_and_arrows_NAU_virtual_museum.jpg
http://media.guitarcenter.com/is/image/MMGS7/My-Violin-Starter-Pack-1-4-Size/H73551000001000-00-500×500.jpg
C&P fail. The repeated bow and arrows was supposed to be this:
http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/70/Mauser_mod_712A.jpg/400px-Mauser_mod_712A.jpg
Here is a parody about “sensitive” boys by SNL recently.
I think this is great, as it makes fun of the mantra that boys should get in touch with their “sensitive side”……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BONhk-hbiXk
Good to see main a stream television program is laughing at males who are “sensitive”.
@Rollo Good post (I’m realizing I don’t actually say that often enough) Some nuances I want to pick on: It is not founded in pessimism, cynicism or misogyny, but rather, honest, unvarnished assessments and correlated experiences of men. I don’t see “cynicism” and ” honest, unvarnished assessment” as mutually exclusive. A quick Google search yields me the following result: an inclination to believe that people are motivated purely by self-interest; skepticism. This, to me, seems like it’s mostly an accurate assessment. From an evolutionary perspective, and a personal one, unfettered altruism is unsustainable. Acting without regard for one’s self-interest, in… Read more »
Please make a video of your own, Mr. Tomassi! The world needs to know the RATIONAL approach.
The SNL “Wells for boys” vid is interesting. On the one hand, it was just someone’s funny idea. That’s probably all it is. But I’m surprised they would brush up so close to gay shaming. The boy is clearly going to disappoint his father by becoming an art-fag, so it doesn’t seem like SNL would get that close to that. This is the cultural peak moment for sensitivity to homos so there had to be something more urgent behind that skit. So, is this the next brilliant FI move? Start shaming males right now for any attempts at self-awareness? It’s… Read more »
It would help if you would once and for all define the red pill more specifically than “praxeology”. As you illustrated, a vague “insight into gender relations” definition invites abuse of the red pill metaphor. I think you mean some very specific truths that contradict the conventional feminine-primary narrative. On an interpersonal level, I think you mean womens’ self-interested mating behavior to empower their hypergamy. On a societal level, I think you mean the gynocentric legal and social engineering that serve the Feminine Imperative. The Red Pill Reddit says: “The recognition and awareness of the way that feminism, feminists and… Read more »
“I think you mean some very specific truths . . .”
“Truth” will do.
“The recognition and awareness of the way that feminism, feminists and their white-knight enablers affect society.”
And this specific truth is sufficiently far from truth as to make it disingenuously false, thus dangerous.
The Red pill according to the MRM is about the MRM. When they ask each other, when did you first take the red pill? It means when did you realise that men are actually disadvantaged in the world today. It’s about men’s rights. Not about male and female dating and relationships.
They will embrace The Red Pill monicker right up until the next Eliot Rodger leaves a manifesto declaring he’s Red Pill. Then it’ll be “fuck those Red Pill guys, PUAs, MGTOWs, etc. that’s not us!”
mersonia
I have never been an advocate of RSD
Dude, posting like a girl doesn’t do you any good. You are obviously not tall enough for this ride.
Is This Thing On The AVM branch of the red pill simply hasn’t given up on society. They will always embrace a more equalist frame because they are as concerned about saving Western Civilization as they are with saving individual men. That’s quite a stretch. AVfM is mainly concerned about “fairness”, defined in terms from the past. That’s how they can accept 1970’s and 1980’s feminism. By embracing equalism AVfM is self limiting – they will not, they can not say anything that would upset the girlies. So they push back against 3rd stage Feminism with its gynocentric reading of… Read more »
@Hue Jass, who does look fat in those pants
The Red pill according to the MRM is about the MRM. When they ask each other, when did you first take the red pill? It means when did you realise that men are actually disadvantaged in the world today. It’s about men’s rights. Not about male and female dating and relationships.
The MRM is just another group trying to gain credibility by appropriating Rollo’s term “Red Pill,” while changing the meaning.
Rollo, your work keeps getting appropriated by others. Can you trademark “Red Pill”, or is it too late?