During last week’s Red Pill Monthly discussion I was presented with the question as to whether I agreed with women’s mandatory military conscription and my take on women serving in combat roles in the military. You can listen to my take on the livecast, but since I’d already had this post in the works I’ll detail it a bit more here.
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The “Warrior Princess” myth
In making the 300: Rise of an Empire they realized they had a problem, the 300 were all men.
So now in the next movie we have Eva Green as a killing machine admiral of the Persian fleet. Wait, that’s not enough! Let’s end the movie with Lena Headey being a killing machine too. Just to make the warrior princess quota.
I happened to be listening to a feature interview on NPR on a long drive home about a week ago. The interview was of a semi-famous actress-turned-writer-turned-director who’s known for her feminist slant on storytelling and forwarding the narrative of the Feminine Imperative equalism.
So as not to focus too much on the individual and more on the messaging, I’ll just fast forward to a part of the conversation I thought was most salient:
“There was a part of the film (she’s producing/directing) where (SIW®, Warrior Princess cliché) gets into a fight with the ‘bad guy’ and the guys on the set thought that her reactions were unrealistic and no woman would do what she was for the reasons she was doing it. But the women on the set were like ‘Oh totally, I’d do that, hell I’d do worse if I was in that situation’.”
“I told the guys on set that if they really want to see gender equality they needed to embrace all sides of women. They needed to let go of all these preconceptions that women are nurturing or empathetic, and accept that we can be just as violent or hostile as men when we’re pushed this hard.”
I got to thinking about this part of the interview and I got an insight into the belief system of a woman ego-invested in the egalitarian / equalist narrative that had been taught to her since her formative years.
For women so saturated in equalism there’s a kind of convenient duplicity that expects a safe environment in which they can comfortably, and without risk of injury, play out the fantasy of not just being ‘as tough’, but tougher than men.
Nowhere is this safe fantasy more repeated than in the stories that the men and women of the equalist mindset construct for themselves with the expectation of loving mass consumption. I covered this from one angle in Storytelling and I focused primarily on the unbelievability of that narrative, but I didn’t really get into why that narrative is so appealing to that set.
As I mention there, in the world of ideas and possibilities, where all conditions and events are in the control of the storyteller, and all outcomes are scripted by the individual, what comes out in playing God is a revealing of the mindset (and the zeitgeist that created it) of the one in control of telling that story.
Fempowerment
When I wrote The Medium is the Message I primarily focused on observing women’s behaviors as the primary motivator of what their true ‘headspace’ is. However, it’s also important to consider this principle on a macro scale of societal influence. The influence women wish to exert on our collective social order is evidenced in the behavior of their storytelling and the storytelling of their proxies (i.e. men who willingly foment their message and fantasies).
White Knights and sympathetic Betas attuned by a lifetime of Blue Pill conditioning are easy foils in selling out their masculine interests if it means their identifying with the superiority fantasies of women is in someway intrinsically rewarding to them (i.e. potential sexual access with women).
But what are the fantasies women imagine themselves living out in their own storytelling? Since the rise of women’s Hypergamy as the societal priority this has been the convenience of female empowerment and the fantasy that it can be balanced with women intrinsic needs and drives as a human female.
The problem with equalism (as opposed to evolved intergender complementarity) is that it reliably creates piss poor men and women. Taken to its extreme, the ideal state of equalism is androgyny – and that’s a best case scenario. At worst, the concept that gender is a relative mental/social construct creates individuals who arbitrarily define their gender identity based on the opinions of others, or languish in a gender identity purgatory of confusion.
The greatest danger the ideology of an all-are-the-same egalitarianism poses to an individual is the belief that men and women can be fully self-contained and self-fulfilled entities mutually exclusive of each other. From the Warrior Princess perspective this equalist ideal of a ‘perfected’ woman is one in which the best aspects of the masculine and the feminine are represented in one female person.
Ignoring all realities to the contrary, this super woman, this Strong Independent Woman® archetype, is not a ‘woman’ at all. She’s an amorphous being that combines the strength and independence of conventional masculinity with the ‘womanness’ that makes those traits acceptable in a society that would otherwise ridicule a man for displaying them as emblematic of maleness.
In a male embodiment, this autonomous self-sufficient being is a laughable parody; an exaggerated cliché of all the ego insecurities we popularly believe men are predisposed to. But make this strong, independent being female and all the ridiculousness transforms into pride and inspiration. In such a pretext even women’s weaknesses and insecurities (the very traits that would make a man less of a man) become a source of that idealized strength – as a woman.
The truth of course is that this egalitarian ideal is unrealistic and at odds with the reality that women and men have both strengths and weaknesses for which the other is (should be) the complement to. No man is an island, but the Strong Independent Woman® is an entity apart.
False Pride, Real Danger
Now I say that this equalist ideal is a danger to women on whole, but collectively that ideal is a greater danger on a societal level. The reason being is that women have expectations from men while simultaneously believing they are functional equals in all ways to men. In the fantasy of storytelling, and the ubiquitous control it allows the creator, danger, outcome and conditions become mitigated for the sake of the story. The real danger comes when those stories become the template on which women (and men) will expect reality to follow.
Dalrock summed this up perfectly for me in a comment I’ve returned to for years:
These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha. In fact, I think the former is just another way they are trying to approach the latter. They want to take an inherently unsafe activity and make it safe. They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land.
They wan’t this all to happen without giving up their freedom; they want to play this out in the context of serial monogamy, so they can feel loved while also claiming their promiscuity is moral. They want to lose control to a string of strangers who have all of the hallmarks of very dangerous men, and they want a promise that this will always end well.
They want to know that this will be safe, without it losing the excitement of it feeling unsafe. They are telling men to build a sort of serial monogamy amusement park where they can ride the roller coaster and experience the fear of falling or crashing, while knowing that just behind the scenes grown ups are actually in charge and are responsible for them safely feeling unsafe.
One more thing. As I mentioned above they don’t want to be hemmed in. So instead of building an actual amusement park, they want roller coasters to spring up randomly in the same exact circumstances where the real danger they mimic would appear. They want to be driving their car on the freeway one instant, and the next experience the fear of careening out of control the next. They want to impulsively jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a parachute appear and deploy at the last minute. And all they ask is your guarantee that all of this will be safe.
Even within the social parameters of what passes for egalitarianism today, there is still a want and expectation on the part of men to make the stories and fantasies of women’s male-equal strengths safe for them in a real context. A prime illustration of this can be found in the language of the women in the video I linked in The War Brides of Europe post.
Whether the show was contrived or not, there’s a fraying of ends going on in these women psyches. The inherently unsafe fantasies of women’s self-perceptions of male-equal strength are being contested by the reality of their situation. The men who were supposed to make the world safe for women’s indulgences of male strength fantasies are proving to be unreliable in affording them that security.
The roller coaster is suddenly real and the prospect of injury and death are real as well. On some level of consciousness they understand that their equalist’s notions of male-equal strength are in no way sufficient for survival in a real test. They are understandably nervous, but nervous in a way that belies the disillusionment of ego-investments they’ve based their lives around.
Women have relied so much on the behind-the-scenes security of men making the world safe for them that they begin to believe they are men’s functional equals. And not only functional equals, but more perfected, autonomously independent, beings that should be a match for the harsh realities their storytellers told them they ought to be.
In fact so dependent on this imagining are women that they expect the simulations of battle to accommodate their lack of capacity to handle the reality that they’ll lobby to alter the qualification necessary to engage with that reality. Thus, the physical requirements for combat suitability are reduced to a degree where women can feel like a success and maintain the storyteller’s archetype of themselves, thus sustaining their ego’s investment in it.
The problem then becomes one where men not only become responsible for women’s security as well as their own security, but also the maintenance of their feminine-primary self-image as a strong, independent, individual capable of achieving an equal measure among men while the real-world requirements mean life or death for them both.
The fantasy of female empowerment is not just the social expectation of men, but it is also the life-threatening liability of men who don’t (or can’t) perform it for them. Men literally risk their lives to maintain women’s equalist fantasy of independent strength apart from, and above that of men.
I’ve had this conversation a few times. If they push women into Ranger/SEAL/SWCC/*Insert Joe-Operator Job* then they are going to lower standards to meet a quota.
When standards are lowered so that women can play, people will die.
This is not some lighthearted, laugh at gore online statement. I mean it in the literal sense that blood will be shed and American service members will die so that some dickhead somewhere can say he fought for ‘equality’ and won.
After reading your article, I’m left with a general principle of reality vs fantasy, that seem to be the baseline of the female mind. I suppose one could say that the female ego is built to maintain her inner construct in the face of reality. It strikes me as being similar to a psychosis in that the person suffering interprets reality in a manner that no rational mind would be able to agree with. To draw it back to the manosphere and your writings Rollo. From the age of 2 until a woman hits the wall, her internal self-image is… Read more »
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My buddy and I were discussing the draft today. We both agreed that woman should be forced to register for the selective service. Then we can all be equals.
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I’ve thought about this a lot. Like, if the warrior princess is supposed to be this feminist symbol or repudiation of traditional notions of femininity, why is she always so devastatingly beautiful & slim? I think she’s like this ultra-symbol of female domination over men — first she dominates men with her beauty, and then she dominates them with her mythical physical and mental strength. She literally has no weakness, no interdependence, no room for complementarity — like you said, she’s fully self contained. And amazing point about the SIW being a celebration of that which pertains to a man,… Read more »
@Rollo My observations about women serving in the Finnish army: *Most of the women were there to lose weight, get the princess effect which they would’t get in civil because they weren’t hot enough and to find good mating ground (alpha fucks). * Nobody in my team respected female sergeants. We just started to laugh when they tried to give orders and told them to go hell which they did 😀 * They were fucking all the time and demoralized the guys who couldnt fuck them. *They were given promotions easier because it looked good to our political elite at… Read more »
“but it is also the life-threatening liability of men who don’t (or can’t) perform it for them. ”
Me an puberty protecting sister.
@Rollo For women so saturated in equalism there’s a kind of convenient duplicity that expects a safe environment in which they can comfortably, and without risk of injury, play out the fantasy of not just being ‘as tough’, but tougher than men. Yep. You find this in martial arts a lot. In my wing chun school, women train with the men in forms and drills until the first time they have to really redirect actual energy from an actual punch that could hurt them. They learn that the narrative is wrong instantly. Combat hurts. Being strong means enduring pain. Even… Read more »
@Black Label Logic
Funny. Women have been said on this blog to be Red Pill naturally. Must be it takes them 30+ years to swallow it. Heh.
@Yollo: That has always been the social value of grandmothers.
@kfg
…..FUCK!!
http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=0d3242b977
As I’ve said before Rand Corp won a contract to survey all special forces members (6000+) on whether or not women should be included. Most answers were FUCK no and the ones that were a yes were very limited in scope. WTF is Ash Carter thinking.
@Scribble, man that video’s racist man. Why you got to show a black man beating up a white woman? Why not show a white man doing that? Answer the question – I want to know who I’m dealing with here. That’s so fucked up dude. Are you racist?
If women want equality, then let them have it. But does anyone really believe they would take it? For women to achieve true equality, they must comprise half of war casualties. They must accept equally harsh prison sentences. No playing the damsel card. If a woman rapes a student, she gets sent to prison for 30 years to be gang raped. Half of all blue collar jobs must be staffed by women, not just the cushy office jobs and high end professions, no!! They must become loggers, coal miners, auto mechanics, refuse collectors, farmer workers, factory rats, sewer workers, commercial… Read more »
Just a quick editorial note. Appreciate your writings, but how ’bout adding some commas or a rephrase here:
“In fact so dependent on this imagining are women that they expect the simulations of battle to accommodate their lack of capacity to handle the reality that they’ll lobby to alter the qualification necessary to engage with that reality.”
“If women want equality, then let them have it. But does anyone really believe they would take it?”
http://therationalmale.com/2016/02/10/the-red-pill-monthly/#comment-139639
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/stephen-fry-quits-twitter-bafta-bag-lady-1201706433/
Perhaps the only way to combat the false belief in biological gender equality is to point out its absurdity in terms liberals will understand…like creationists, feminists reject science.
I’m half convinced that the only reason a bill intended to force women to register for selective service was introduced was for political reasons to force the hands of the feminists. I believe it is non-serious political stagecraft. However, I think the authors did not quite understand just how far down the rabbit hole the minds of their political opponents has gone. This is why there’s a real danger.
The idea of women in combat rolls is frightening to say the least. If men are forced in so should women… How do we reconcile this though. Personally I think we should an all female squad. No men whatsoever. Let them carry themselves. We can justify this by saying we need to have all female troops to help with the women and children that are Muslims in war torn areas. Since only women are technically allowed to help women it is a reason that can easily be used to segregate the troops. Then drop the women in to those areas… Read more »
@Newly – Think much? So I guess you are a race realist too. But let me be clear: Are you going to try and assert that ROK isn’t crawling with such vermin? Fuck off now.
@Scribble, man that video’s racist man. Why you got to show a black man beating up a white woman? Why not show a white man doing that?
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chill man; we beat up black women too. Thats why I have two white brothers in law.
@newlyaloof,
1. The video has apparently been taken down.
2. How is a black man beating up a white woman racist?! It’s really no different than most interracial couples on TV being a black man with a white woman. In actuality, you’re racist for disapproving the racial imperative that it’s normal for white woman to be with black men.
Benny Hill, you can’t reason someone out of a position they did not reason into. GrrlPOWer is an emotional thing, not a reasoned thing. Equalitarianism / egalitarianism is an emotional thing for the most part, not reasoned – just look at how much ego and emotional investment equalitarians have in their position. No matter how much science you show them, they won’t budge from “but, but, but, it SHOULD be….”.
I’m coming to the opinion that any time someone looks at what is and starts squallling about what ought to be, it’s an emotional or ego issue, nothing rational.
@The Mad A-Rab If men are forced in so should women… How do we reconcile this though. Personally I think we should an all female squad. This, strangely, just isn’t horrible enough. Remember what war is for men. It is often sold as a chance at immortality, at a chance to do heroic deeds that will live on long after they have died. What it is in reality is something so horrible that men in it call it, “The Shit,” in the most literal sense of the word. Conscription of men to bear this burden of active combat, providing safety… Read more »
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benny hill’s new to the game so he doesn’t count
It is quite crazy how much societal effort women can mobilize to make them feel special and fulfill their fantasies. I suppose that’s kinda the central point of the OP: look at how powerful and pervasive this system is. It doesn’t even register for most people that it could be questioned. See, I can buy this (as an outlier): Less so this. Might as well just go full LARP at that stage. http://pre03.deviantart.net/3cec/th/pre/f/2014/307/c/a/elven_girl_warrior_by_magnaleon-d8550zw.png All of this is just Mary Sue shit. I’m too tired to go on a rant about living in the real world and avoiding synthetic experience and… Read more »
I think the feminist narrative is going to fall apart. The dominant males will win even if it means having to go back to the stone age. Those that reproduce the fastest and survive are the populations that will rule later. In this country the highest birth rates are the orthodox Jews, the Amish ,the Mormons and the Muslims. In Europe it’s the Muslims. The current narrative isn’t going to exist under those groups. Disney isn’t going to be able to make enough movies with female warriors.
@Rami Hiltunen
So essentially women enlist in the military for an MRS commission.
Also I stopped dead when I was looking for those pics, this girl really looks like my ex who I had oneitis for holy shit:
She wasn’t quite up to this – chin/jaw/nose weren’t as well defined – but still ya might be able to understand how beta me didn’t stand a chance lol.
@Forge the Sky
Lol, Forge
What are you getting at? What is your point in your statement. We all love the feminine. That girl is feminine. Her teeth would make for a good Mystery/Style Neg on first meet. “You have some wonderful prominent teeth there young girl. I love how white they are…..”.
Is she not fungible? Can our minds not Accept the fact that she is fungible and that there are feminine women out there that can substitute for her in our mindset?
My comments are meant to be on the positive side of game.
Benny Hill
So essentially women enlist in the military for an MRS commission.
No, for the AF part of AF-BB, bearing in mind that Alpha is situational.
@Scribble, When I was eight, family said, “Newly, you talk just like a nigger. Later on, I’d hear, “Newly, can’t you just find a nice white girl to date. But enough qualifiers about me. I’ll just tell you what my black friends would have told some white dude like you who is more outrages about racism toward black folks then they themselves were … “Stop frontin’ nigga!” An older pasty white dude like you is just making up for lost time and crimes on this issue. One black family member through marriage don’t make your cracker ass Martin Luther King.… Read more »
One thing that comes to mind for me is, imagine if there were a movement among men that promotes and advocates a similarly masculine/feminine being. One who can do all that which a woman does, bit is also a man at his convenience. I wonder what the reaction would be? And yet we’re not only expected to believe this is possible of women, but that men should support it! Another thought I had was that when I was in the military is when the pushing began for women to enter male only jobs. I always said if the can meet… Read more »
Check out the character Vazquez in Aliens if you want to see a somewhat realistic portrayal of a woman fit for combat.
Here’s a question: if women were to flood combat positions and begin to experience casualties at the same rate as men, would we (and the media and politicians) so casually and cavalierly sit back and ignore what our wars do to human beings and ignore how horribly we treat our returning and very often damaged vets?
There would be mass protests. The media would be in full outrage mode. Our troops would be brought home next week.
@Rollo: I’d not limit it to gender identity but expand to identity period. I.e. if one self-identifies as X then the State must recognize them as X; failure to do so is an encroachment on civil liberty. Monty Python documented the absurdity of the demand many years ago.
“The other reason is pretty simple: on some limbic level they know the bull dyke type woman wouldn’t sell with a male audience at all. You can slip this shit by the average guy so long as something sexy is on the screen. ”
@Sun, spot on with that.
“You can slip this shit by the average guy so long as something sexy is on the screen.”
Adele was singing on the Grammies. I yawned and came to post this. Her music bores the shit out of me. But her and The Weeknd seem to be fascinating to the Blue Pill crown and the FI crowd. Why is that?
How are we going to deal with this androgyny? Something I have been struggling with for years.13yrs ago had a 250acre fire 100yds from the house.The hot shot crew had a woman on it they worked all night.And because of this and my own mitigation I only lost 3acres and am very grateful to them all.Shot crews are all fed employees,still it blows my mind having a woman sucking down smoke while working a handline.I realy have no idea what her performance level, or peer acceptance is. Worked on a big project with a bangup framing crew w/ one woman… Read more »
At 18 I signed up for the draft under the Carter admin. to show the Iranians how many millions of young men they would have to fight.
If we make women sign up maybe they will want to fight us just to get a shot at some American pussy.
@Bachelorocles “Here’s a question: if women were to flood combat positions and begin to experience casualties at the same rate as men, would we (and the media and politicians) so casually and cavalierly sit back and ignore what our wars do to human beings and ignore how horribly we treat our returning and very often damaged vets?” I answer this one there will not be mass casualties except in units being lost wholesale (possible due to airstrikes, artillery etc). The females will not be counted upon to sacrifice themselves… ever. There are plenty of times that “stand and hold position… Read more »
“we are turning US forces into the armies of western Europe.Not really that good and certainly not very reliable.”
Also not at all necessary!
The women pushing this narrative will never be the ones to find themselves in uniform. When a civilization sacrifices its future mothers in war to satisfy a political social agenda then that civilization deserves to fall into ruin.
I doubt that women will be celebrating all that has been ‘won’ for them when the mortar rounds begin to fall.
An ex-Navy guy on Dalrock had an amazing post about women who join the Navy. They then simply refuse to get on a boat which wins them a coveted and easy land-based job usually held up as a reward for a guy who’s finished his 4-8 years at sea. Of course the women get those jobs right off the bat. Also, many just claim sexual harassment. I wouldn’t doubt that they don’t even have to name the culprit or provide details…just simply claim it ‘in general’. They then retire with full pay at age 26 or so. This stuff is… Read more »
Women in combat…hooah! Once women start dying, there will be finally be enough public outrage to stop unnecessary wars. Though I’d hate to be the injured soldier left by his comrades saving the injured ‘soldieress’ first. Of course, similar to the premise in the article, it’s no coincidence that since war has become significantly safer, now women want combat roles opened to them. If our wars were still fought like WWII, Korea and Vietnam, women would be silent on this issue. Women don’t want to fight, they just want a combat ribbon to deceive themselves their the equal of men;… Read more »
@SJF, Adele has some decent songs but mostly I think nearly all females are comfortable with her. Hot girls know they’re hotter than her and can like her music knowing she’s fat. Fat girls get to have their alter-ego. Formerly pretty girls who got fat can identify with her because her face is nice. Mangina lefties get to flash their fat acceptance creds with her. White-Knights also. She’s got that faux ‘sistah’ thing too for the white-guilt set who think they have some soul. It’s like that other fat white girl Meghan Trainor. So fat white girls with soul just… Read more »
@Anonymous Reader on February 15, 2016 at 5:49 pm “Benny Hill, you can’t reason someone out of a position they did not reason into. GrrlPOWer is an emotional thing, not a reasoned thing. Equalitarianism / egalitarianism is an emotional thing for the most part, not reasoned – just look at how much ego and emotional investment equalitarians have in their position. No matter how much science you show them, they won’t budge from “but, but, but, it SHOULD be….”.” “I’m coming to the opinion that any time someone looks at what is and starts squallling about what ought to be,… Read more »
Check out the character Vazquez in Aliens if you want to see a somewhat realistic portrayal of a woman fit for combat.
Duh, that’s a movie. It’s also where all this Strong, Independent, Ass-Kicking Woman jazz began in modern entertainment.
Much of this stuff is LARPing as noted above, along with feminist turf-marking.
I like this posting as a bookend to the War Brides of Europe posting.
Check out the character Vazquez in Aliens if you want to see a somewhat realistic portrayal of a woman fit for combat.
Duh, that’s a movie. It’s also where all this Strong, Independent, Ass-Kicking Woman jazz began in modern entertainment.
Much of this stuff is LARPing as noted above, along with feminist turf-marking.
I like this posting as a bookend to the War Brides of Europe posting; this is the WomanFantasyLand theme park, Europe is the unpleasant reality.
@Anonymous Reader on February 15, 2016 at 5:52 pm
“Trolling score:
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How sweet. I’ve been trolled as not counting by someone who won’t be bothered to even use a pseudonym.
Liberal, feminist, SJW, et al. may as well just support their positions with, “But my professor said…”.
The “appeal to authority” logical fallacy is very popular with feminists, SJW’s, etc.
PS: “Anonymous Reader” is by definition a pseudo…
@Kaminsky, re: Adele
“Comfort” is the death of the beta in PUA and what puts the loathsome in her music.
@Forge the Sky
Women in combat might be the thing that motivates our enemies to fight harder, just so they can rape a woman from a foreign land…especially if she looks like pics 2 and 3. Oh, the spoils of war. Why behead her when you can sell her to the sex trade.
@Forge the Sky,
I think your post @ 5:53 pm was stuck in temporary Mod.
And thus your statement brings more context”
“All of this is just Mary Sue shit. I’m too tired to go on a rant about living in the real world and avoiding synthetic experience and how diminished the safe modern life really is so just cover your mouth and pretend I did and it was epic.”
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think three links in WordPress for Rollo brings moderation for a comment. I’ve been rationing myself to two.
Anonymous Reader – No fuckin shit Aliens is a movie. Maybe you didn’t read Rollo’s post, wherein he refers to a movie and refers back to his posts on storytelling.
Maybe you’re one of those guys who only reads the comments. Obviously the application of my point was lost on ya.
Nice example of the fantasy here: http://classicalvalues.com/2016/02/goddess-power/
I happen to know one of the actresses. An EQUALIST to the core. It will not make her/them happy.
LeeLee — February 15th, 2016 at 2:38 pm
Some men know they are not self contained. They crave pussy like you can’t believe. They HAVE to feel that female body next to them to be fully satisfied. And then there is that other problem. Babies. Some men want children.
In time – if we don’t get over run first, nature will take its course. Differential reproduction.
Because modern women believe they can Have It All ™. Brilliant professional career, brilliant social life, brilliant warrior, good mother, sassy wife to her partner husband! However, the only women I’ve ever met that men acknowledged as “great soldiers” have all been the most masculine, stocky women I’ve ever met. Tolkien-esque dwarves would be the best description, heh.
Real-life warrior women indeed tend to look something like this:
http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/775-confirmed-kills-one-picture-1945/
Yeah, not exactly material for Sports Illustrated.
“The “appeal to authority” logical fallacy is very popular with feminists, SJW’s, etc.” The words I dread most in conversation; “I took a course.” I know I am about to get drowned in a shit-ton of Dunning-Kruger bullshit that doesn’t even rise to the level of sophomoric, but will be adhered to with religious ferocity. Often as a word for word recitation of their “course material,” as if it were holy scripture. And nowadays they tend to finish with a flourish accusing me of lacking “education” and not understanding the “nuance” of the issue, for pointing out a nuance of… Read more »
The other reason is pretty simple: on some limbic level they know the bull dyke type woman wouldn’t sell with a male audience at all. You can slip this shit by the average guy so long as something sexy is on the screen. Which is rather important when you consider that the majority of the audience for films, video games etc. with the warrior princess trope are probably men. One male fantasy among many is the woman that is girly and feminine in appearance and body shape, but isn’t actually interested in girly stuff, and would rather discuss automatic weapons,… Read more »
@hoellenhund2: “Yeah, not exactly material for Sports Illustrated.”
Third row left looks like my mom.
An honest portrayal of women occurred in ‘Domino’. Shit film w/Keira whatever n Rourke. She has a melt-down. More delusion, more castration culture, more propaganda. Carter may have approved this as a distraction-of what requires thought. Might make FEMA camps kindler n gentler. Shit test failed. Everywhere they put women in authority they are insecure and marginal at best. Take away their iphones, givem an apron, point em at the stove. Resistance: ass-spanking. Either a line is held or it doesnt exist. The alternative: measure up for a skirt. There is a fantasy of strong women some men have. Whatever… Read more »
My biggest objection to women warriors: they endanger the lives of actual warriors by their presence by the fact that they aren’t as strong, more inherently risk adverse, more prone to injury and inability to fight (for various reasons).
And by filling those positions they take up resources which means the remaining male warriors have less resources available to do the job and they are tasked more frequently.
Per selective service, I doubt we’re going to see conscription again.
The future is more like proxy war, most likely.
Seminal!
Please discuss the violations of feminine imperative by a Tinder man who kissed a woman on the second date:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kirstenking/i-dont-owe-anyone-my-body#.fi7xBBl0J
and by the “gentleman, who disappears after I tell him I’m not ready to have sex on the 3rd date.”
http://www.artparasites.com/the-ugly-side-of-being-a-single-attractive-and-available-heterosexual-woman-2/
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/wwwartparasitescom/the_ugly_side_of_being_a_single_attractive_and_available_heterosexual_woman/
@kfg
I have 4 daughters and one son. None of my daughters have ever organically, on their own, picked up a toy sword, gun or even thrown a stick like a spear. Never made a little bow and arrow. never ever. not once.
I think that explains everything.
@Liz Per selective service, I doubt we’re going to see conscription again. The future is more like proxy war, most likely. Yeah, and people also said that… “The great depression will never happen again.” “Monetary crisis won’t happen again.” “World War won’t happen again.” etc… Saying, “It won’t happen again,” to someone who actually must sign their life away should it happen again is small comfort spoken by those who don’t have to sign their life away. It amounts to a pretty little lie. History does not repeat, but it rhymes very well. And before you say, “But but but,… Read more »
Point taken, Jeremy. But it isn’t just nukes that “make wars small”. It’s all varieties of modern technology. After we were actually attacked on US soil we had a two front war that only one person out of 300 in our entire population participated in.
I don’t think the world is a safer place, far from it…rogue entities have been empowered with high tech weapons and that’s a recipe for asymetrical warfare and a lot of violence.
@Liz We haven’t had a war that’s cleared off considerable parts of a First World nation’s population since nukes ended WWII. We won’t until they’re not a part of the picture anymore. That’s why those smaller countries and rogue entities want nukes. If you hold nukes, the US (and other First World countries) keep their hands off you. That’s pretty much axiomatic at this point. Take a look at the North Korean “Nukes For Food” gambit they run every once in a while if you want the most ridiculous example of it. Nuclear weapons (ironically) keep the world safe from… Read more »
“Nuclear weapons (ironically) keep the world safe from war.”
From large scale war, yes. Not proxy war or asymetrical war.
Hypothetically, if the government of Pakistan toppled tomorrow and radicals got a hold of some nukes how would we fight that one?
Most likely not be a million boots and on ground and tanks facing off other tanks.
This is why wars are getting small.
Per Sun Wukong. N. Korea is a rational actor. They use nukes for food. Rational. Negotiations. Ideal? No Iran should have nukes. Israel has 200-400 and wont sign the NPT or acknowledge their nukes.Pakistan and India have nukes. I’m not worried. All are rational actors. Not sure ’bout israel but the U.S. govt allowed for that mess so I’ll live with it. Certain people dont want some nations to have nukes as they follow an independent foreign policy. Overlords no likee. Hence, libya never got nukes. Thus they were destroyed and the u.s. stole their 30+ billion in gold. Their… Read more »
@Liz Jeremy is correct though. World wide uranium supplies are currently so short that NASA is having a ton of trouble finding enough to power long range missions. Additionally, some of the only current uranium sources in the world belong to nations hostile to us. (China being high on that list, I believe) Nuclear weapons do go bad over time, and due to the precision nature of their construction that time is much shorter than the half life of the involved materials. I haven’t looked in to it closely but I suspect a lot of the “disarmament” programs the US… Read more »
@contrarian N. Korea is a rational actor. Yeah but that’s the funny thing: NK strikes me as crazier than the majority of non-state actors. This is a country that was run by a guy that kidnapped a well-known Japanese director to make his fanfic for him. It was the kind of shit a country run by a 14 year old girl would do. Certifiably insane. Yet they’re rational enough to realize that actually firing a nuke at us would be the end. Below their level of organization and tech, maintaining a nuclear stockpile is pretty damn hard at a technical… Read more »
@Sun Wukong Jeremy is correct though. World wide uranium supplies are currently so short that NASA is having a ton of trouble finding enough to power long range missions. While I don’t mind being called correct, I believe you’re referring to the plutonium-238 shortage, which is mostly the result of a lack of uranium enriching going on in the West at the moment. That is a simple result of not making new nukes. What I was speaking to was the hydrogen bombs, which became our standard ICBM payload once we perfected them. Hydrogen bombs rely on tritium AFAIK, which has… Read more »
SO many good points in this post. I had a conversation about gender roles and such with a friend of mine and his wife. Whew, they were really ego invested in the equalist stuff. Probably because the wife makes a lot more money than my friend. Anyway, when I mentioned that I didn’t believe women should be in the infantry, HOLY SHIT… They blew up… lol. My friend is a historian, so he was going on about tactics being more important than strength… Which I agree, but my argument that little things like wearing a 150lb pack and running with… Read more »
This weekend I had my girlfriend over and I forced her to watch Iben Thranholms video (featured here on TRM ) about the onslaught of the masculinity invasion from the Muslims where she laments the lack of masculinity in Europe. It was amazing the response from my girlfriend and the disassociation from reality. She was yelling at the TV screaming why everything Iben said was wrong. I kept telling her what would happen if men weren’t around to protect women and she just almost lost it saying how it’s against the law. She has no concept how fragile our society… Read more »
Are nuclear submarines a player in this equation?
The DPRK still exists because both its friends and its enemies can’t afford for it to fail.
@Liz From large scale war, yes. Not proxy war or asymetrical war. Hypothetically, if the government of Pakistan toppled tomorrow and radicals got a hold of some nukes how would we fight that one? Most likely not be a million boots and on ground and tanks facing off other tanks. This is why wars are getting small. Liz, I don’t want to dissuade you from thinking about these sorts of things because I think you’re at least reading and thinking about this some… but I believe that is an argument that someone told you that you are repeating. This means… Read more »
“Liz, I don’t want to dissuade you from thinking about these sorts of things because I think you’re at least reading and thinking about this some… but I believe that is an argument that someone told you that you are repeating. This means it’s a bad argument.”
It’s ipso facto a bad argument if I’m parroting someone?
Wouldn’t it depend on whom I’m parroting?
At any rate, I’ve thought about it more than “some”. More than most people since I have a pretty direct vested interest in this stuff.
@Jeremy
I was under the impression that the uranium precursors were short as well, which is part of the reason thorium reactors and the like were finally becoming a reality with all the old breeder reactors going offline. Also, don’t thermonukes use a plutonium fission sphere to kick off the tritium fusion reaction? It’s been a while since I looked it up.
@Sun Wukong I was under the impression that the uranium precursors were short as well, which is part of the reason thorium reactors and the like were finally becoming a reality with all the old breeder reactors going offline. That could be, I wasn’t aware of that if true. I just know that NASA doesn’t look for uranium for its RTGs. Also, don’t thermonukes use a plutonium fission sphere to kick off the tritium fusion reaction? It’s been a while since I looked it up. I was under this impression as well. But even if true, that plutonium fission mass… Read more »
Brave New War by John Robb, sort of illustrates what I’ve implied here.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471780790/ref=nosim/globalguerril-20
Military issues are the reason I happened on the sphere a few years back. There was a link on one of the military sites I frequent. In four months I will no longer be able to post on any forum online (husband gets a new job, his request). So, my days are numbered! Emily can rejoice.
Yollo “Bat Man” Comanche “@Black Label Logic Funny. Women have been said on this blog to be Red Pill naturally. Must be it takes them 30+ years to swallow it. Heh” There are levels to awareness. There are many men who are subconsciously red pill. The PUA community tend to call them naturals, Rollo brought up Corey Worthington as an example. There is conscious awareness and subconscious awareness, most women are the latter. Women are naturally red pill, but they get it in 2 doses. First from age 2 – 30ish they get it in the positive sense, they are… Read more »
@Liz It’s ipso facto a bad argument if I’m parroting someone? Yes. It’s bad because I don’t believe you yourself came to that conclusion. That doesn’t mean the argument is wrong, but it does mean that it’s a bad argument to make. The argument is wrong because technology has never, historically, been a factor in reducing the size of war. First men had sharp sticks, then they put stones or metal at the end of the sticks to make spears, then they forged whole blades out of metal and shields to defend themselves. Then they created bows to launch small… Read more »
Any country that has its women fight is chicken shit, or it’s a scenario like the Yizzidi in the Middle East where all the men have been wiped out.
Women should never be in combat roles for simple reasons. They are game changers in two ways. In life and death situations, men can’t help but be heroes to the women in their vicinity. To advance on a position in war, people on your side must die, and you must continue to advance. The innate need to protect women will make offensive operations FUBAR. Psychological strength is crucial to maintaining morale among the troops. It’s sad when your comrades fall on the battlefield, especially close ones, and it’s not easy, but a man can look at his dead male friend… Read more »
@ben
exactly.. The only time I would ever condone a woman in battle is if it was absolutely needed.. i.e. the enemy is upon us, and there are not enough men to continue the fight.. and of course at that point, we all know what generally happens anyway.
This is what happens when a “Warrior Princess” hits face first into a real-world challenge and defeat:
http://olympics.nbcsports.com/2016/02/16/ronda-rousey-suicidal-thoughts-holly-holm-loss-ufc-mma
She goes on national TV with Oprah’s lesbian feminist heir-apparent to discuss her feelings and emotional state about it.
Can you envision Floyd Mayweather doing something similar if he were to ever be knocked out? Didn’t think so, but we’re expected to believe that Rousey is a stronger woman for her personal insight and emotionalism – particularly after how cocky she was about wanting to fight men in the UFC.
KL
Please discuss the violations of feminine imperative by a Tinder man who kissed a woman on the second date:
The Wall has no mercy.
I particularly like the admission that she needs to stay alive, “To have this man’s babies…”
lol, it is as if the woman just needed to be punched to understand her place in the world.
…but of course, we can’t say that in our PC world.
Imagine how she would have felt on the mat.. not to mention her family, if she was already a mother.
Please discuss the violations of feminine imperative by a Tinder man who kissed a woman on the second date: http://therationalmale.com/2014/06/12/owed-sex/ and by the “gentleman, who disappears after I tell him I’m not ready to have sex on the 3rd date.” http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/23/wait-for-it/ http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/07/three-strikes/ Women only stop having ‘casual sex’ (see Alpha Fucks, short term breeding imperative) when the reality of their being less competitive in the SMP is no longer something they can ignore – usually between 29-31. Then they shift sexual strategy to a provider/parental investment qualifying mentality (Beta Bucks) couched in whatever rationalization of ‘personal development’ they think is… Read more »
There’s a Heinakin commercial running lately that while it doesn’t illistrate the Warrior Princess dynamic; it does highlight the entitled feminist mindset In said commercial various night-owl women at bar closing time are hailing cabs, riding buses, and singing their little hearts out regarding how they need “a street-wise barbarian” whose got to be “larger than life”. The message I interpret is that women feel entitled to their sober white-knight designated driver after a night of bar hopping & attention seeking & gratification. Which is essentially feminism in a nutshell-women allowed to be all they can be, and a handy… Read more »
“lol, it is as if the woman just needed to be punched to understand her place in the world.”
lol. 👏🏻
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” – Mike Tyson
Re war / nukes If I had to be nervous about anything it would be China, Pakistan and China all using the fresh water melt water from the Himalayas to essentially feed their people, collectively over two billion people rely on that water to grow their food. The glaciers that feed that system of rivers is retreating fast, very fast by any historic standard. India and Pakistan have a treaty that covers the division of the water but in practical terms something like 90% of the water that leaves the Himilayas flows through India before it ever reaches Pakistan. So… Read more »
Sorry, China, Pakistan, India in first paragraph.
This place needs an edit button
One reason I so enjoy competitive sailing is the “reality factor” of sailing and racing boats that are challenging, particularly offshore where there is no “EASY” button, there is no walking off the field when you are done and it gets hard, there is only the wind, the water, the boat and the crew. Broadly speaking in the sport there is no women’s fleet or men’s fleet, there are just fleet’s. Uppity women get big in their britches close to shore where there is an army of support close at hand but all of a sudden they find humility when… Read more »