Ovulation & Dread

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I had an interesting study brought to my attention recently (ht/ Robert Burriss) and I thought I’d get back to a nuts and bolts post with something useful I found in it.

Women Selectively Guard Their Desirable Mates From Ovulating Women.

As you might expect, much of the findings in this study reinforce many Red Pill principles founded in evo-psych, but there are a few new angles to consider here. Before I start to riff on this study, bear in mind that the concept of female mate guarding behavior centers on what the researchers define as ‘desirable mates’ to women. This subjective assessment of desirability will play into all this analysis.

For women, forming close, cooperative relationships with other women at once poses important opportunities and possible threats-including mate retention. To maximize the benefits and minimize the costs of same-sex social relationships, we propose that women’s mate guarding is functionally flexible and that women are sensitive to both interpersonal and contextual cues indicating whether other women might be likely and effective mate poachers. Here, we assess one such cue: other women’s fertility. Because ovulating (i.e., high-fertility) women are both more attractive to men and also more attracted to (desirable) men, ovulating women may be perceived to pose heightened threats to other women’s romantic relationships. Across 4 experiments, partnered women were exposed to photographs of other women taken during either their ovulatory or nonovulatory menstrual-cycle phases, and consistently reported intentions to socially avoid ovulating (but not nonovulating) women-but only when their own partners were highly desirable. Exposure to ovulating women also increased women’s sexual desires for their (highly desirable) partners. These findings suggest that women can be sensitive to subtle cues of other women’s fertility and respond (e.g., via social exclusion, enhanced sexual attention to own mate) in ways that may facilitate their mate retention goals while not thwarting their affiliative goals.

Right from the start here we have two Red Pill foundations confirmed; the influence that perceptual SMV plays in women’s sense of passive Dread and the fundamental influence that menstruation dictates to sexual arousal and concurrent motivations for sex appeal during women’s ovulation phase.

I’ve previously gone into the dynamics that play out between men and women with regard to perceived SMV of a partner versus the other partner’s self-perception of their own SMV and how this determines secure vs. insecure attachment. This post was more of an outline of results of SMV imbalance rather that the motivations for the characteristics of those personal attachments. This study illustrates these underlying motivators very well.

Anyone who’s heard my Man in Demand talk on Hypergamy understands the (menstrual cycle) biological root for women’s personal and sociological behavior, and this study provides yet another confirmation of it. I’ve also written in the past about men’s propensity for mate guarding and the behavioral cues women, both subtly and not so subtly, display that prompts them to mate guarding. However, I’ve yet to explore women’s mate guarding behaviors.

I’m bringing up the SMV ratios and Mate Guarding posts here because it’s important to bear in mind the subjectivity that perceived SMV plays in regard to motivating mate guarding. Depending on that balance (or imbalance) one partner will be more motivated to mate guard than the other. Which of course then brings us back to the Cardinal Rule of Relationships. Mate guarding impulse is contextual to the comparative value of both individuals and the value of others in their social environment (potential sexual competitors).

Thus, it is a significant challenge for women when other women attempt to poach their partners. For instance, over 50% of women admit to attempting to poach another woman’s partner, and over 80% of men admit to having been the object of another woman’s poaching—with about half of men admitting to “going along” with the poaching attempt (e.g., Schmitt et al., 2004; Schmitt & Buss, 2001). Women have good reason, then, to mate guard.

I’m going to encourage readers to take the time to, at the very least, read the introduction, premise and results of this comprehensive study. Naturally there will be incredulous women who will insist that men tend to overestimate the displayed sexual interests of women towards them. This is a common social convention that serves a very specific purpose for women; plausible deniability.

If the common group-think is that men are egotistical, think they’re “all that” and stupidly believe they’re seeing sexual cues from women because “that’s just how men are”, then we have a pre-established condition in which women can believably deny interest. Thus, should a man not find a woman attractive, or opt for another, this then serves as a rejection buffer as well as a precondition for her own rejection of a man should he make an approach and not be found attractive.

The Schmitt & Buss studies account for this, but even if they didn’t there would still need to be a functional reason for women’s mate guarding behavior. That reason puts the lie to the social convention of women presuming men aren’t as perceptive of their sexual cues as they’d like to believe.

[…] whereas men have at times physically isolated and sequestered their female

partners to restrict other men’s access to them (e.g., in harems), women may analogously socially isolate their partners from potential poachers—keeping them apart so as to preclude potentially costly competition for their romantic partners.

The usefulness of this strategy depends on women being able to identify those who might be likely and effective mate poachers, and then excluding them (but not others) from their social circles. If a woman indiscriminately distances herself and her partner from potential poachers (i.e., all other women), she is assured of his fidelity but at the cost of eliminating her access to the numerous benefits of female–female friendships.

Spoiler alert: The study confirms that women will covertly exclude themselves and their lover’s company from women who A.) outclass them in comparative SMV (hotter women than they perceive themselves to be) and B.) happen to be in the proliferative phase of ovulation.

This indicates that not only are women subconsciously (if not consciously) aware of intrasexual rivals ovulatory states – as evidenced by dress, ornamentation, vocal intonation, scent, sexual proceptivity, etc. – but they are aware enough to orchestrate covert methods to protect their sexual investments in a ‘high value’ male while ensuring future intrasexual friendships.

That may seem like an overly scientific way of saying women watch out for other women slutting it up, but the subcommunications of ovulation are so subtle that women’s subconscious, peripheral awareness of those cues evolved for a sensitivity that goes beyond the obvious slut. That’s how important retaining a better-than-self SMV optimal mating choice is to women in an evolutionary scope. That sensitivity is part of women’s psychological firmware.

[…]In addition, if a woman were to consistently and indiscriminately exclude other women from her own and, by extension, her partner’s social circle, she might gain a reputation for being non-communal and non-nurturing, and thus, for being an undesirable friend. This might not only thwart her ability to form future friendships with other women, but might also lead her partner to perceive her as highly difficult, uncooperative, controlling, and non-trusting.

Thus, on one hand, the costs of indiscriminately avoiding other women are high because women reap important benefits from making new same-sex friends, On the other hand, women can and do mate poach with frequency, and those women deeply embedded in one’s social circle may have increased access, motivation, and ability to poach successfully.

There’s a few things to unpack here before we can make this information Red Pill / Game applicable. The most important metric that female mate guarding indicates is her genuine assessment of a man’s SMV and how valuable his participation and investment in their LTR (or even STR sexual value) is to her.

I’ve seen this mate guarding play out in my own relationships before, both as a Red Pill husband who happens to work with beautiful women in the liquor industry and prior to my Red Pill awareness of it in my libertine 20s. Back then it was easy to pass off as ‘bitches be crazy’ when a girlfriend or a short term sex partner “just got jealous”. But in hindsight the timing of those fits of jealousy seemed a bit to regular.

I’m going to suggest that developing an awareness of a woman’s bouts of jealousy or her subtle timing in wanting to spend time alone with you, or her being more sexually proceptive (she wants to fuck more) with you at times you may think odd. These are Alpha or Beta TellsA woman’s preoccupation with guarding you from other women is a prime indicator of your SMV worth to her. It stands to reason that only ‘desirable’ men deserve the effort of her mate guarding.

This is an important Red Pill sensitivity to have as it also allows you to determine a woman’s unspoken understanding of where she and you stand in relative SMV comparison. As I was saying in the introduction here, that ‘desirability’, that SMV ratio, that Alpha impression that makes you worth mate guarding is subjective to what a woman’s self-perceived SMV is in respect to your own. When we interact with women in the long term it’s very easy for men to lose sight of this balance and think that their frumpy wife is the best they can do. There is a definitive psychological game that women of low SMV will play with men they know are of higher value – they will continually devalue that man as a form of mate guarding.

That devaluation may take the form of browbeating, nagging or accusing him of being attracted to other women in an effort to get her higher value LTR man to self-limit his being poached by endlessly qualifying himself to his low SMV wife/girlfriend. It’s far easier, and far lower an investment of resources if a low SMV woman can convince her higher SMV man to mate guard himself.

Just as an aside here, there may be a few readers who’ll think women will rationally consider that their long term provisioning is virtually assured in a feminine-primary social order. Alimony, child support or pro-female government will assure her and her offspring a baseline of security, so why mate guard any man?

The answer of course is that women’s psychological firm ware didn’t evolve to acknowledge these considerations. Once again T-Rex doesn’t want to be fed, he wants to hunt. So even with the logical consideration that provisioning is assured women’s limbic (particularly on an Alpha Fucks short term breeding assurance) still wants those environmental and behavioral cues that indicate they have that security.

Passive Dread

So with all of this to digest how do we put this knowledge of women’s limbic desire for ensuring a mate’s exclusive sex and provisioning to use for us?

The obvious answer is in the title of this post – developing that awareness of your SMV worth to a woman is a good starting point from which you can subtly employ a passive form of Dread.

I’ve gotten a lot of grief for just my acknowledging Dread, much less using it beneficially for both a man and whatever woman he chooses (long or short term). It’s always about how horribly manipulative it is, or it’s just an unsustainable game of brinksmanship between a couple that destroys trust. But what these (usually female) critics never recognize is that Dread is already an integral part of every relationship by order of degree.

The fact that both male and female mate guarding behaviors are evidential facts of both sex’s hindbrain function should be proof enough that Dread, the concern of loss of investment, and the subconscious, comparative evaluation of SMV is something that’s always an operative. It’s inherent to our conditions as evolved human beings.

My advice in this instance is for men to become sensitive to the indicators of that ovulatory mate guarding dread and use that insecurity to promote a better, genuine desire in that woman. Suggesting this will seem counterintuitive to a Blue Pill mindset. The conditioned response will be to allay that woman’s fears (the ones she’s subconsciously aware of but will hate you for making her acknowledge) and provide her with comfort and familiarity.

But comfort and familiarity are anti-seductive and kill the genuine desire, the genuine need to fuck you in order to keep you and show her appreciation for your higher SMV. Why does a woman compete for what she is constantly comfortably assured she already has?

The trick to employing soft or passive dread is making yourself sensitive to the opportunities to use it and then gently provoke it in as covert and indirect a way as possible. One of the better ideas the early PUAs had was mastering the art of the Neg, or the backhanded compliment. The idea was to casually knock a woman’s self-image down to a manageable degree in order to get her to qualify herself the the PUA. Passive dread operates on a similar principle.

You need to see the opportunities for its use, and women’s propensity for mate guarding men they find ‘desirable’ is a reasonably predictable opportunity. See those chances for other women’s casual flirtations with you, look for those unsolicited opportunities for easy social proof, and don’t dissuade your woman’s initial mate guarding response. Casually push back on the mate guarding impulse, don’t jump to the reassurances of your undying love and interest.

See that opportunity for what it is – a chance to restate whose Frame she’s chosen to be a part of. She wants to merit your value. Take that effort away from her and you become valueless to her.

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Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“Lack of sex and especially lack of DESIRE sex. It’s also INCREDIBLY grating when she talks to me like I’m the dumb ass husband in a fucking commercial and she’s the sensible Wife Who Knows Best. That shit is like nails on a chalk board and I NEVER want to hear it again.” Just a heads up in the bedroom. Don’t try to hit a home run. Try for a single or stretching a double. Don’t try to please her in the short run. She will starfish at first (remember she is disgusted by you,now). So just you get you… Read more »

Chump No More
Chump No More
5 years ago

“No you silly Dutchman. It is not opening up to others and telling them your frailties. It is about opening up your self to yourself instead of closing down. Imaging yourself with top notch masculine tactical virtues. You, the warrior, with strength, courage, mastery and honor (honor among other men, that is). Not weakness, lack of strength in the face of pain or grief, failure and lack of honor.” This! ^^ Vulnerability is (among other things) fear, doubt, indecision, etc. A man must absolutely embrace, confront, understand & conquer his vulnerabilities… ignoring it will be his downfall. Just don’t go… Read more »

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@All suggesting I hump the fat chicks No. Just no. I’ve had them as an option forever and done it before. I won’t do it anymore. If that’s my only option, I’d rather paint the walls with my brains than fuck another one. I came to the ‘sphere partly because I was done with them. I’m not going back to them. @mersonia, Sentient If someone would tell me where in Dallas to look for these mystical hunting grounds, I would go. I’m clearly in the wrong places, so I need to know the right ones. I’ve googled around a bit… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Forge props on trying to help out a married man, even though you’re single…good advice, too… re ‘a few days’…you obviously get it…although i was thinking a week and a half…bc he has to provide her with a solid frame long enough for her to run through her complete rolodex at least a couple time (and with various combos…) and that ‘s going to take some time…(and that rolodex idea/term is straight from YaReally…lol…that dude’s sharp and is great at explaining things, and since i don’t try to reinvent the wheel, i’ll steal, urr i mean ‘adopt’, anything i can… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Sun Wukong “I’m hitting a real low here. Tonight went like shit.” no…it didn’t…the fact that you can’t see reality doesn’t change that reality, only your perception of it…you are doing WAY better than you think…you just need to let that bitter little pill slide down farther…try to see behind the FI mirage… ” Not only were there no women worth a shit, the women I ran in to just aimed for the weaknesses over and over again. ” so, you have a pattern…analyze the reason for that pattern…it’s not all about YOU…you’re just getting caught up in girls’ working… Read more »

cheupez
5 years ago

@Dutchman
She has been reading the manosphere. If not, she has read PUA manual or something like that.

If I am reading this stuff and I have a full time job, I am sure many women in the USA who are SAHMs have the time and are secretly reading all this stuff without their husband’s knowledge.

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Dutchman great job!! “Like, as soon as my wife was out of earshot lol. I talk to her (and the other chicks, who are acting NOTHING like her) for a few minutes and then my wife returns and IMMEDIATELY asks me if I’ll go look after one of the kids [shit test…lol…bc it’s putting you back into her frame…] (which would get me away from the table and away from OC). ” props on seeing this in real time…next time, and there will be a next time…lol…stand up to leave to go look after the kids, and tell the OC… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Mini FR and Question/Request for Advice: 33 yo HB7 (banging body but ehh face) who I met in a political group initially ice queened me. I indicated no interest but ended up giving her a ride home cuz she was stuck without a car. I DHVed, never reached out and only responded to her professional outreach (she’s a volunteer coordinator). I also don’t chase, I wait for a woman to show interest these days – which seems to be paying off. I had a falling out with the group and wrote it and her off. She ended up having a… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@scribblerg – read all that and my first thought is that you are too invested in considering what she thinks = lack of abundance mentality. Now I agree with you that you (probably) haven’t DHV’ed enough with her, but do you care that much? Why not just tell (not ask) her to meet you for a drink or sushi or whatever it is? Something like “7pm tomorrow. Sushi. You and me”. Even if she’s not actually free tomorrow, the tone of her response will tell you a lot and you lose no points by making a pass. Also, DHVing would… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Culum “HABD – I see your point about negotiating desire when she said she wouldn’t come straight over but what was the alternative?” oh…, i don’t know…how about GO DARK?…lol…you know, like you are SUPPOSED to if you want to keep frame…just go hang out with all those other girls you have on speed dial that are JUST like her…lol…bc otherwise, she might get the idea that SHE is the prize…lol…and that you have NO options… “If I wanted to meet her and try turning it around, I had to agree to meet her somewhere other than my place…” see… Read more »

Dutchman
Dutchman
5 years ago

@scrib

“I think there are a couple of ways to go here. I do have reason to go her way, so I could do the, “Hey, I’m in manchester, let’s get that sushi tonight, I can bet there at 7 pm”. But I thought of a more complex gambit as I don’t think her temp is that high about me yet. ”

Maybe try to to spike her buying temperature with some good text game?

scray
scray
5 years ago

@sun “hey just don’t even register as appealing to me” “I didn’t come here because I was having trouble getting laid by old chicks or fat chicks or ugly chicks.” ok, well then why were you there? why WASTE your time around people you apparently despise? you SAY that oh you just wanted to be an asshole for fun… lol! who WANTS to WASTE a night being a prick toward women they DON’T want? only people WHO DO NOT RESPECT THEMSELVES. like i said, if you walk into a venue and there’s nothing but old ladies or whatever, then BOUNCE.… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Culum – Interesting. So, without being defensive, I guess my view is I’d like to fuck her but I don’t think her temp is high enough to even close for a romantic date – it would be a “LJBF” kind of thing at this point. I am trying to optimize and actually have the instinct that using her for social value rather than the 80% chance she’ll flake on a 1-1 meetup if she does agree is a better use of her. She’s kind of interesting and could be the female friend type who gets me into a new social… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@Culum “Didn’t pull the trigger and ask for the number or any kind of close..even when she was obviously into me and kino-ing me..just a mental block. ” yea, bc that would be ‘cheating’ on epiphany chick…lol…when’s the wedding again?…lol “This two-set was very interesting to me because it started off with them in “neutral but receptive”mode when we opened and then I just kept saying outrageous stuff sexually and within about 10 minutes there was clear attraction and kino from her ” and sooo, why didn’t you pull her and bang?…serious question…i mean WTF!…hb7 college girls! with MINIMAL effort?…lol…you’re… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@scrib “Thoughts?” you could have fucked her the night you gave her a ride home…first thought. “She was seeking my advice, clearly sees me as a wise older guy but doesn’t give me much in the way of IOIs. She also doesn’t throw beta bait and I don’t play nice guy with her at all.” not much IOIs except picking you, a guy she barely knew, to drive her home aka practically bending over and asking. oy vey scribbler… http://www.nextmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/swingers-jpg2.jpg ” I wait for a woman to show interest these days – which seems to be paying off.” this isn’t… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Scribblerg
Sounds like a fun time however it goes.Rock on Dude.

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Haha @HABD. Okay, I’m just going to shuffle off in embarassment now. I could have gone dark of course. I even (really) had an alternate first date lined up for that same time slot as Date 2 with redhead. It just totally never occurred to me because I thought I had a realistic shot of getting her home and banging her based on her text response (in other words, her girl game was better than mine). Lesson learned. I’ll try dropping off the radar for a while and then reinitiating after a gap and then trying some asshole game. Maybe… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@ having a bad day Thanks for the good insights. Great stuff. Quick question for my frame of reference. What is your frame for red-pill relationship game. Married or single? monogamous? (don’t laugh at me for that question). When you get time, elaborate more on that two week time frame (and the two hours for desire) for Dutch. The FI is treating me well these days (or more properly, I’m not letting it treat me badly). I think and feel I have real power. I’m not at master level, but striving to be. (And as you point out in your… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Heh@HABD – just saw part 2. No, my wings don’t get to PIV either (well, no more than I do anyway). Not in any consistent fashion.

Also scribblerg – just saw Scray’s comments, he’s right of course about the the ride IOI thing etc (no pun intended heh) – I’d forgotten that bit by the time I got to the end of the FR..

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Scray – “Game algebra” lol, great comment thanks.

cheupez
5 years ago

Negotiated desire is tolerable, up to a point. A time eventually comes when a woman can not bear touching someone. There is a movie called Paradies Liebe, directed by Ulrich Siedl in which some young guy is paid by an aging woman to fuck her. I think it tries quite effectively to demonstrate the concept of negotiated desire.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Sun Wukong – have you tried the area around SMU? Some guys at CH say Lower Greenville is good. Where are you currently going? And obviously don’t go back there! From google looks like LG has a lot of bars and restaurants, what I normally do, since I game on the road, is find a place like that and then hang out on the street in front of places, walk around. Much easier to grab attention that way vs inside venue, then you also get to see where the hot girls are going and when you are ready to go… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@SJF i’m married…although i got into ‘pua’ bc i didn’t have enough confidence in my ability to turn about my marriage (omega sperg…not kidding)(and i was looking down both barrels of a nasty divorce…and could literally SEE it on the horizon…), so i was ‘planning for failure’…lol… but i put in a bunch of work, and then ‘magically’ it turned around for me…lol…and i’m spergy enough to ‘flip’ my reality (just like Spock in that star trek clip…lol) go watch it again a couple dozen times…not kidding…if you can’t ‘understand’ exactly what the FI is, and can’t tell me who… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

@chepuez “@Dutchman She has been reading the manosphere. If not, she has read PUA manual or something like that. If I am reading this stuff and I have a full time job, I am sure many women in the USA who are SAHMs have the time and are secretly reading all this stuff without their husband’s knowledge.” Doubt it but it doesn’t matter… won’t blunt game’s effects… she can’t logic around her hindbrain reaction. Like she can read all about chocolate being bad for her… but when it is in front of her she will eat it and enjoy it,… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

@sun Wukong

another trick… hang out on college campuses.. ask the girls you see where they go out to… also hit the coffee shops and little cafes close to campus and housing…

Realize later that while you are intel gathering you are also doing daygame among your prime demo….

Some examples from Paul Janka (great easy method as well)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwG3ybov9Jg

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

@Scribblerg

A woman will expect an older man to drive things, that she doesn’t have to seduce you. She expects that you take what you want, and if you don’t attempt to take it you don’t want it. Sure, when you try you might get rebuffed, but that saves investing any more of your time.

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Red – Interesting. That’s why I just said, “Oh, we have to go there.” And she went along. But then I dropped the ball. Fucksticks. At what point did I become such a goddam pussy?

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

@dutchman I hope you move forward and start acting on the advice you are getting, because it will change your life forever… a snippet from the home front this week. Now since Christmas the wife has been both stressing over kid stuff (basic life with teens, nothing unusual at all) AND suffering from a more or less chronic lower back pain issue, like laid up in bed every few days, heating pads, chiro etc… so with all this I have picked up more slack around the place. Beta stuff like doing more pick ups at school, some meals, getting her… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“A woman will expect an older man to drive things . . . if you don’t attempt to take it you don’t want it.”

What if I called it “calibration” rather than “different tactics?”

scray
scray
5 years ago

@red that’s what women want from men, period. even moreso when they are young and hot…and american. i constantly bleat about escalation and pulling the trigger because that is like first step, numero uno, you-can’t-close-shit-you-are-shit-hit-the-bricks basic. most every american woman will fuck almost any man. it’s true. logistics are always random, so sometimes they fuck you over (and yes that includes her friend). but there’s a window of attraction…. ….and if you just get the fuck out of your head and -go- for it, you will see what i see. next time you’re close to a woman and she gives… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

@scribblerg

Fuckstucks. At what point did I become such a goddam pussy?

I’ve done the same thing multiple times. Like at poker the flop comes down, I check to see what develops, the other bets and now I think and fold not knowing if I had the best hand. I needed to bet first to find out.

Anonymous Reader
Anonymous Reader
5 years ago

SJW In regards to women not having extinction bursts, when a man allows a woman to be the dominant person in a relationship (esp. marriage), she man’s up and becomes masculine in thought. She’s less feminine and starts to think logically instead of letting her feminine hind-brain do the acting. Women can be taught to be doctors and lawyers and STEM workers (no it doesn’t mean their hind brain shuts off, but they can use a forebrain if you let them.) The woman becomes a logical masculine bitch in these mishandled-from-the-start relationships. +1 on this, with the caveat that they… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Red – I never pussy out in poker. I know exactly when to be aggressive and have no issues with it – it’s a key part of my arsenal. I run guys like you over and take your stacks…. And oh yeah, Scray, I do 7 figure technology deals and know how to sell, so I get the analogies perfectly. What I did was get way down on myself in ways that I’ve explained at length here. I lost my confidence with women and bought into the FI view of “old men”. I never had sophisticated game, but I always… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Anonymous Reader That has been my experience. And you described it well. I think Dutchman will experience this phenomenon. Anyone’s experience will vary depending on the woman’s type also. -Low Self Esteem vs. High Self Esteem -Younger vs. Older Woman (An older woman will tolerate less of your bullshit than a younger women, i.e. with Game she may perceive game as bullshit if you are un-skilled at game and non-congruent. Always be congruent.) -High Sex drive vs. Low Sex Drive -Thinking personality (focus on objectivity and rationality, prioritizing logic over emotions. They tend to hide their feelings and see efficiency… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Scribblerg
You must be some kind of a crippled natural,who has been living in and out of a fantasy world based on a past that is long gone.Back in the saddle again.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

From HABD: “girls don’t do ‘extinction bursts”…those are based on operant conditioning, which is software based…girls run on firmware/hardware…their shit testing originates from the limbic system…and it’s part of the same algorithm as authentic desire/sexual impulse…that’s WHY shit tests are IOIs…and bc they ORIGINATE from the girl, they are not a conditioned response… “I still don’t have a clear grasp of what HABD would advise on this idea of “how long would it take” for someone else in Dutchman’s position to recover from this hell.” see above – a week and a half…2 weeks max..for a FULL turn around (assuming… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Stuffin – My ex and I split when I was 30 – the first night i took my ring off, I picked up a hot russian chick and fucked her proper. I cut a swath for a while, but compared to PUAs, I was incompetent. And also pedestalized them. I typified the “madonna/whore” vibe. Partying and drinking made me uninhibited and i learned that women liked wildmen. I was the “bad boy” for some corporate girls, the guy they fucked secretly. Since then I had 9 serious GFs too, and plenty of wild shit in between – and had fucked… Read more »

stuffinbox
5 years ago

Well you do have to break some eggshells to make an omelet.This world loves to beat down a natural and it’s good to be unplugged so I can see the shit coming at me,bob,weave,take the next shot and ride boldly ride.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Forge the Sky “And then you realize how simple it is to make YOURSELF someone’s environment for a window of time.” “If you really realize how this works, you still can’t rule the world. No-one is omnipotent. But you can damn sure create a pretty fine world around yourself, and rule that.” That seems pretty idealistic. I’m not a doubter and I’m an idealist and I buy into the awareness. Real awareness and observing and really good game, exemplified by PUA field work and field reports. But I still have to say that Frame is not power. I don’t get… Read more »

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

“But let’s be clear – not anymore motherfuckers. I’ve stepped out of that shit and up to being real again. And humble and being willing to learn and put FRs out and get told what’s what. I’m about winning, period. I’m also getting my masculinity back. Which is nice…I’m not longer buffering or protecting a useless ego. And I will get laid again soon enough.” “I’m back, baby. Better than ever in fact. Unplugged, lifting, living large and loud and rolling. It’s been rough getting here but I’m finally on a pretty steady beam.” That is great to hear. Really.… Read more »

mersonia
5 years ago

@Sun Wukong Depending on the part of dallas you reside in I could see your issue.

I know a few good places depending on how far your willing to go.

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@Sentient I’ve tried a little right near SMU and had bad luck, just been infrequent since I’m in the ‘burbs and it’s a bit of a drive. I’ll give Lower Greenville some more time to see what I can do there. I’m familiar with the area, just never really had much success there. @mersonia Yeah, most of what’s close to me is crap. All middle-aged chicks and trainwrecks. It’s annoying since it’s easier to build social proof somewhere five minutes from home rather than half an hour away, and much easier to work the logistics on F-close as well. Closest… Read more »

Ylime
Ylime
5 years ago

Dallas? Upper Greenville. Or Lower. The beauty bar was a pretty cool place to hang with lots of young people if you are so adamant on that.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“next time you’re close to a woman and she gives you eye contact, just go 90…go for the makeout. as soon as it happens.”

lol, that’s so far outside of the realm of my reality.

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

Sun Ok that explains the disconnect re Dallas… You are out in the burbs. Of course you are going to hit cougars and older career women. Young girls flock to the cities or near campus. If you are going to stay in Dallas you should move. No level of game can overcome a lack of targets. FWIW you can probably do better daygaming in the burbs at farmers markets and malls… Your targets are the live at home daughters of the cougars. Be smart and strategic and you wont beat yourself up so much… Moving is the kind of effort… Read more »

Tom
Tom
5 years ago

@scribblerg , great video by Conor McGregor. He sums up what you need to know in less than a minute. Thx.

Softek
Softek
5 years ago

@ SJF I hear you on the rehashing the past thing. One of my main issues now is figuring out what to do with this girl. Where to go from here forward. Even if I let go of the past, the programs from the past are still alive in me. Without clinging to any old stories, the reality is that RIGHT NOW I’m experiencing scarcity mentality. My manual for operating in the world that I learned in the past is still my only reference point. That’s what I’m trying to change. Anyway, here’s the rundown: I’m a few years younger… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

@SJF “But I am seeing a claw-back of one month for every year of marriage-fucked-up posited by married red-pill reddit guys. Bad habits/ruts/addictions need work-arounds in a man’s limbic system and their partners to turn the battleship around. Two Weeks/ Two hours? WTF?” a few thoughts to consider. The 1 month per year thing was something that came out of the MMSL forum, and oddly was renounced by Athol Kay as a “forumism” not something he agreed with. I used to subscribe to it as well, and it took me some time to turn my marriage around, along those parameters…… Read more »

Sentient
Sentient
5 years ago

@andy

“next time you’re close to a woman and she gives you eye contact, just go 90…go for the makeout. as soon as it happens.”

lol, that’s so far outside of the realm of my reality.”

It’s only not your reality because you have not made it your reality.

Some examples here…

stunt? staged?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTuBf4BrIgE

Or is it real?????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsHiggS0oCI

Go and try it, then you will know.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

@sentient

yeah, LOGICALLY I know it’s possible. I’ve seen enough footage to know that. I wish someone could video tape me trying. That would be some hilarious footage.

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

“rape should be legal” is a ridiculous brand. Here’s a picture of the guys at the local make rape legal rally:

(photo redacted since nobody wants to be seen at the rally)

Here is a list of businesses owned by men who support making rape legal:

(list redacted since businesses will fold)

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

@Sentient Good vids; I mostly noticed how much better Vitaly’s subcomms were than that pua. Like, I was laughing before Vitaly even went in for the kiss and cringing as soon as pua guy did the stop, no wonder they were nervous/backing away and shit, he looks scared and apologetic. Notice how there’s no doubt in your mind even as a viewer that she’s gonna kiss him. That’s the vibe you target. Could be staged but all that does is artificially boost his confidence. @andy Lol I’d be game. We could make a show – ‘Andy – the Red Pill’s… Read more »

redlight
redlight
5 years ago

This is funny:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/43u591/fr_pretend_to_be_a_girl_men_buy_you_stuff/

No aspersions to gender, I simply said “I really need this bk but so poor…”.accompanied by the first girl stock photo Whisper had to offer. It took 15 minutes to have a bunch of PMs from men offering to buy it for me without even knowing the title.

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

“Two Weeks/ Two hours? WTF?” SJF, maybe an example will help. How quickly could your relationship have turned around if, say, apocalypse hit, no communication technology works anymore (solar flare!) and your comfortable UMC suburb became a place where your family had to hunt squirrel like kfg and gather abandoned soup cans? See, a lot of what slows things down is the whole network of things that keep you in comfortable habit and routine. You can only fiddle with the dials in an attempt to optimize one variable (relationship desire) without disrupting any others (income, house, reputation, etc). You can’t… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Softie – Super busy here today but I had to say this. Are you in her frame or is she in your’s? Also, your energy should be in growing your business, not figuring out what some lane changing, epiphany hitting woman is thinking or doing. Fyi, I’ll give you a free 1 hr consultation on growing your business if you’d like, some night this week if you are serious about growing. Hit me up on Skype if you’re interested. Also, there is no way to break oneitis without plating. Period. Go to a coffee shop or the grocery store. Game… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@SJF from my prior comment to SJF ““She’s less feminine and starts to think logically instead of letting her feminine hind-brain do the acting.” nope, its still wired in…just bc her hindbrain is too busy pinging her environment for alpha to care about her using logic, doesn’t change whether or not hindbrain is engaged…lol” i should have expounded on this idea a bit more…everything about girls is built on TOP of the hindbrain. the fact that girls even CAN use logic is bc the hindbrain doesn’t see any downside to LETTING that happen…lol…it is STILL trying to get high quality… Read more »

details
details
5 years ago

@Andy

Get a buddy to record you.

I’m not joking. It would do wonders to your ego. Do it.

Andy
Andy
5 years ago

“I’m not joking. It would do wonders to your ego. Do it.”

🙂 that would be fun. It’s funny how you can’t rationally destroy your ego.

SJF
SJF
5 years ago

@Sentient @ having a bad day OK I get it. Actually I did from the start. Way too many words spent on this topic so far. I thought the premise was that if you take what Dutch has to work with both his wreck of a wife and Dutch’s lack of mastery (his wreck of game), how long to turn it around. Not if someone was starting fresh on a new girl in a hotel lobby, or if Dutch automatically looked and felt like and had the skills of YaReally or Rollo. I’ve mastered a lot of things in my… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

Working my ass off this month so you guys are on your own for a while. @HABD That expansion on the SIDS thing is an interesting angle to think about. @Rollo He’s mobilizing his LARP’ers. I wonder how many Braveheart and LOTR gifs will be posted by the neomasculine guys who ignore technology and nerd culture like videogames. lol @scray Fucking nailing it with your posts. @scribblerg Careful. If I wanted to take your girls infield I would joke that you probably suck at poker or minimize your results as not very impressive and imply you don’t know much about… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Sun Wukong It’s like when I take buddies to venues that I know will have a bunch of hot girls in them and they bitch about having to pay a $5-$10 cover charge. Oh, okay, how about we go to the free pub down the street full of sausage instead, so you can blow $60 on jugs of beer while I listen to you bitch about how you don’t have a girlfriend. I would rather read a Field Report where you got blown out hard by a hot young college chick and ran out of the bar to drive home… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

“Working my ass off this month so you guys are on your own for a while.”

https://youtu.be/DGzB9-_S21c

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Srsly tho thanks for being here as you can, Ya. I hope to be laid by the time you come back.

YaReally
5 years ago

@Sun Wukong Or like guys who I invite out multiple nights a week but who only come out once every week or two, and then complain that they aren’t getting the results they want and then cry that oh I’m supposed to be weeded out of evolution I’m just not meant to reproduce. Like, what do they expect?? If you’re going out 6 nights a week, 4 hours a night, to prime venues, and approaching 20 girls a night, for years, and STILL not getting laid then ya, maybe there’s a problem (and even THEN I would just say get… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Forge
fucking lol @ the clip <3

scray
scray
5 years ago

@culum ah this is a nice FR. “Didn’t pull the trigger and ask for the number or any kind of close..even when she was obviously into me and kino-ing me..just a mental block. Self-ejected soon after that.” classic pull the trigger problems. but that’s fine. to take some pressure off of yourself, when you find yourself in this kind of situ again, just ask the girls to do some activity with you. for example ‘hey, let’s play some pool….’ for NOW, just get in the habit of doing little things like that. that will be your ‘pulling the trigger.’ ‘hey… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Just an additional note on what Sentient said about believing in evo-psych etc. I meant to post this earlier in the thread when someone was saying it’s all BS, but I forgot. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF EVO-PSYCH IS SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE OR NOT. All it matters is whether that model is useful in your day to day interactions, not whether it will pass peer-reviewed study. It is unambiguously clear to me that following the evo-psych/red pill model has helped in my day to day interactions with women. As a result, I continue to follow it and I act on the basis… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@habd nice posting! @andy yes. but that’s just because you have a TON of self-limiting beliefs. AND THAT’S OK. we all do. i mean think about it, from about 5 y/o to AT LEAST 18 (but a lot of us have received even more education), you sit in a room and are indoctrinated. plus you have the media telling you who can say and do what. i mean, no one is going to emerge from that without some self-limiting beliefs. in one of my FRs, i actually talked about discovering the power of going 90. it was around the time… Read more »

Dutchman
Dutchman
5 years ago

Well I failed a shit test yesterday. She called me at work and asked me to go buy some moderately expensive thing on the way home that we could have done without. Unfortunately, I just reflexively said yes and it didn’t even really occur to me that “oh hey, this is a shit test dumbass” until I already paid for it. I thought about taking it back and just telling her “I decided it wasn’t a good idea to get that” but I figured that would come across as indecisive or butthurt.

scray
scray
5 years ago

@culum

“IT DOESN’T MATTER IF EVO-PSYCH IS SCIENTIFICALLY ACCURATE OR NOT.
All it matters is whether that model is useful in your day to day interactions, not whether it will pass peer-reviewed study.”

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YaReally
5 years ago

Dat pagebreak timing errrytime lol Don’t want Sun Wukong to miss his YaReally bitchslap so:

http://therationalmale.com/2016/01/25/ovulation-dread/comment-page-7/#comment-138343

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

@Ya – I’d laugh at you and ask you to sell me a pencil or play liars poker with me for a 100 dollar bill while being amused by your petulance. My confidence is not an issue in these other domains, nor do I lack aggression. As you were, gentlemen.

stuffinbox
5 years ago

@Sun&All Old guys like to ramble on but try to stay awake through this. I live close to the ground and like to hold my head up high.As I get older timing is everything as there has been enough wasted time already.So I pick my jobs,the days to do them,what I eat,who I talk to,when I fish,where I fish etc.Now a bull has balls and a dick ready to go every day but the cow is only receptive twice a year,and these are the only time the bull can use his junk the rest of the time you get the… Read more »

Forge the Sky
Forge the Sky
5 years ago

Hey @YaReally, if you’ve got a moment before you take off: Met a HB7.5 low-20’s girl in a bar. Her party looked familiar and she wasn’t talking to anyone so I just asked her who she was and it turns out she’s related to a lot of people who went to my church/tiny highschool growing up. We hit it off – telling travel stories, bit of kino/light innuendo, I taught her some formal dance moves just for shits and we hit the dancefloor, etc. She was just fine dancing with me but didn’t slut it up or anything – not… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@scribbler

“I’d laugh at you and ask you to sell me a pencil or play liars poker with me for a 100 dollar bill while being amused by your petulance. ”

and as soon as you do that, you lose.

at the same time, this mindset you’re adopting, if it’s going to help you pull the trigger, then fuck it, use it.

down the road you’re leaving yourself open to get amogged hardcore but you gotta start somehow.

YaReally
5 years ago

@scribblerg lol if I had simply posted: “@scribblerg lol $6k at a casino isn’t much, I walked out with $10k once, casinos are the easiest game to play in…now home games are where the real skill is at” …you would have responded with a rant about how you win every home game you’ve ever played and that you would beat me in a casino etc etc. That’s all I’m saying. A guy can be very humble in one area but have an ego in another area (even if you’re good at something, developing an ego about it where you instinctively… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@SJF “I thought the premise was that if you take what Dutch has to work with both his wreck of a wife and Dutch’s lack of mastery (his wreck of game), how long to turn it around. Not if someone was starting fresh on a new girl in a hotel lobby, or if Dutch automatically looked and felt like and had the skills of YaReally or Rollo. ” the premise was, and IS, Dutch’s situ exactly (same wife, his same looks, same EVERYTHING)…EXCEPT he magically develops a solid game skill set…in place of his ‘wreck of game’… then, he starts… Read more »

Dutchman
Dutchman
5 years ago

@forge

A good frame would be “OMG if the people at church could see me now. Who would have thought I would grow up to be such a bad boy lol. They say religious kids always grow up to be wild but I never really believed it until it happened to me” to stay congruent with who she knew you as before but also congruent to who you are now/who you are striving to be.

YaReally
5 years ago

@scray “at the same time, this mindset you’re adopting, if it’s going to help you pull the trigger, then fuck it, use it. ” lol ya that’s fair. I just noticed it when I was skimming and I was going to post the “eh casino poker isn’t even real poker tho” comment to show him reacting in action but I have limited time today lol I just don’t want scribblerg (or anyone) to get the impression that being humble about “oh I’m not great at pickup, I’ve escaped my ego I admit I’m not the player I used to be”… Read more »

scray
scray
5 years ago

@scribbler you eventually want to just let all of your external success — poker skills, 7 figure sales deals, your career, etc. — just speak for itself. when anyone tries to grill me about my success or notices my successes, i adopt this mindset: i’d rather be lucky than good. why? b/c it SHUTS EVERYTHING DOWN. no matter what the amog wants to say, i can just shrug and have an attitude of ‘maybe you’re right — don’t give a fuck, cause i still have the success,’ which makes him look like a crybaby and it also gives me this… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@YaReally

“Working my ass off this month so you guys are on your own for a while.”

i’m right there with you…lol…i just keep getting sucked back in…it’s part of my spergitude…lol…

“@HABD
That expansion on the SIDS thing is an interesting angle to think about.”

ya, i didn’t know about that SIDS stuff til you brought it up. maybe you should write for a grant..and then obamacare can pay for bootcamps for new dad’s…(not really kidding…)

good luck!

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Dutchman, ” She called me at work and asked me to go buy some moderately expensive thing on the way home that we could have done without.” I’ll share something that has helped my wife understand my concerns with money and her desire to buy shit. Me to my wife: “Look babe. You’re like the human resources department. You tell me all the stuff you think you need to make the humans in our family happy, but I’m the accounting department, and the numbers don’t care about any of that. So, after crunching the numbers, the accounting department has denied… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@scribblerg

“@Ya – I’d laugh at you and ask you to sell me a pencil or play liars poker with me for a 100 dollar bill while being amused by your petulance. My confidence is not an issue in these other domains, nor do I lack aggression. As you were, gentlemen.”

this is defensive and reacting to YaReally’s frame = beta…your confidence notwithstanding…so, he wins the AMOG framing…

do you see why?…

good luck!

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@YaReally Aye, I get it. I’m frustrated with me as well. I will say it’s not for lack of frequency out; all my buddies around here are like “Dude, you’re out all the time now” since I try to make sure to be out and meeting people 3-4 nights a week 3-6 hours each of those nights (I shut bars down more frequently than I should on work nights) and work out of a Starbucks or something at least a couple days a week. I’m still trying though. Frustrated but trying. The other night I was out and my education… Read more »

having a bad day
having a bad day
5 years ago

@scray

“when anyone tries to grill me about my success or notices my successes, i adopt this mindset: i’d rather be lucky than good. ”

that’s good…i mean lucky!…lol

good luck!

scray
scray
5 years ago

@ya “That said, like you say if the mindset helps get him out there then fuck it.” yeah i mean, because as long as he gets out there, the field will kick it back to him. and sooner or later, after having some success with this mindset, some AMOG is gonna exploit it. and that’ll happen over and over again. @scribb one of my best friends loves to try and AMOG me. and like, if i were to say ‘ya i won x amount of money at poker the other night,’ he would probably be like ‘shutup scray, you suck… Read more »

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@Scray, I remember your first CH post. You’ve traveled a long way. Props to you.

“ya that’s true, should i give the money back?” That’s a trip. I have family and friends that would do that shit and I used to get butthurt about it because of my ego with honor and pride. No longer. You’re right. It’s more fun to play this game back at them.

YaReally
5 years ago

@scray “when people ask me about success i’ve had, i PURPOSEFULLY list dumb shit that makes no sense as being responsible. ” lol ya, like the “oh I’m just naturally jacked I dunno man I eat a lot of pizza maybe that helps” stuff that pisses guys off (aka gets them reacting). To relate it to poker (no-limit, I don’t have the patience for limit lol): I’d rather play a guy who’s convinced he’s really good at poker and thinks I’m an idiot, because I know HE’S not raising pre-flop holding 27o and will let me take the pot when… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

@Scray – thanks a lot man. Great points all round – will particular remember to use an intermediate escalation within the bar/mini venue change to help myself a bit before getting the number.

And point taken re my buddies. They are actually cool guys who get laid fine..

@newlyaloof – LOL@HR department vs Accounting department. If I ever get married I hope I remember it..

Sun Wukong
Sun Wukong
5 years ago

@YaReally “oh god, if you want dumb drunk kids you could go to VenueX on Sundays, I used to go there when I was that age” (insert rant about how now they prefer chill pubs and houseparties (where they don’t have competition, because they’re older and closer to the wall)) I’ve been talking a lot with the bartender that took my drink order while the drunk bitch was on my shoulder yelling “asshole” in my ear. Fun guy that I’ve been getting to know. He started showing me pictures of some of the chicks he’s been out with around town… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Culum Don’t wanna miss leaving one for ya, you’re doing good tho and you can see your own sticking points for the most part when you do your Field Reports (funny how they become more obvious when you write it out hey). “This two-set was very interesting to me because it started off with them in “neutral but receptive”mode when we opened and then I just kept saying outrageous stuff sexually and within about 10 minutes there was clear attraction and kino from her (so I told a story I usually tell on dates about a sexual prank I played… Read more »

newlyaloof
5 years ago

@YaReally, that’s money advice to Sun. “This is all gold, and important to learn. Most guys prematurely eject.” Just had that happen while walking to lunch. Go out my building, turn left and see hot 8.5 with little dog both about 50 feet away looking in my direction as if they know me or have been looking for me expectantly Hmm, I wonder. I see this in a split second look their way before my eyes focus on other objects. I say to myself, “Shit, that girl is hot. She has a dog. You have to open her.” I reach… Read more »

scribblerg
scribblerg
5 years ago

Weird, pseudo-FR (but very telling): As some may recall, I bailed on my “semi-pro” connections that i was soft sugaring, for my own purposes. As I regained my dignity and self-love, that simply was not satisfying for me any longer. In part it was due to the on and off desire, and also that it was on their terms. They were “the prize”, even if I could reframe in the moment at times. I hard nexted them both, and a third, who had drifted anyway sensed my changes and opted out herself. No more “mentoring” and emotional tamponing for me.… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Sun Wukong @Culum You both get the same Tyler clip but with a focus on different parts lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3AYFEBQ8to&t=28m Culum start at 28:00…you don’t have to necessarily pull TROLLS but what he’s talking about with NORMALIZING leading girls around and extracting them and getting used to that process should be a goal. Oldschool cocky Tyler used to say “you should be able to get people to go for food after the bar, that’s not even pickup that’s just having basic social skills” Sun Wukong start at 28:00 as well because the stuff about making girls you don’t manage to fuck… Read more »

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

@Forge: ” . . . hunt squirrel like kfg . . .”

Take out and eat the competition first.

Normally I advise against eating predators, but when times get hard you gotta do what ya gotta do, and you don’t want the house cats getting the squirrels before you do.

Plus you get the best banjo/shamisen heads out of the deal.

YaReally
5 years ago

@scribblerg “Nothing got “resolved”, rather I saw the hindbrain was screaming for alpha and the calmer I was and the more resistant I was to her framing, the more she calmed down.” Beautiful. Your Field Report just completely justified me writing that “how to handle crazy bitches” explanation that I almost didn’t write because I was like “fuck, guys might interpret this as me encouraging them to go spend time around crazy bitches and that guy might think I’m saying he should stay in his marriage to his psycho” But this is exactly what I was trying to explain. Guys… Read more »

Culum Struan
Culum Struan
5 years ago

Thanks YaReally. I’ll try that for sure. I know numbers aren’t a big deal – it’s only a big deal right now because I’m not getting them! But yeah, even after I get them I’ll try to keep going forward to isolation. Or at least I will when I get back to another “Blitz Week” in a few weeks because I’m also rammed into Work Mode for now.. PS – Submissive sexual texting girl flaked out – I gave her like one more task to do after your advice a couple weeks ago, which she ignored, then I tried texting… Read more »

YaReally
5 years ago

@Culum “Submissive sexual texting girl flaked out – I gave her like one more task to do after your advice a couple weeks ago, which she ignored, then I tried texting one more time: no reply. Oh well..iflaking’s the name of the game with online girls..” This is why I say go for the pulls and face to face progress like leading them around the room and into isolation and out the door and to food etc. cause even when you do get numbers, in 2016 a ton of them will flake and then you’ll be like “fuck this is… Read more »

Bromeo
Bromeo
5 years ago

When Rollo stops replying in thread, you know there’s a fire topic about to drop on the main page lol

stuffinbox
5 years ago

Where is my cat and who the fuck is playing that godamn banjo

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