“If a story is not about the hearer he will not listen. And here I make a rule – a great and interesting story is about everyone or it will not last.” – East of Eden
About 3 months ago there was a very interesting side conversation of the main article topic in the comments. The movie 300 came up and how it was or wasn’t a good illustration of conventional masculinity. I’ll just say that from a purely pulp fantasy perspective I loved the movie. And as a fantasy it was great, but both men and women like to romanticize various times and stories in history to suit their desires, as well as reinforce their beliefs.
I think many retromasculinty subscribers get caught up in what YaReally calls LARPing – live action roleplaying – with regards to how these fantasies become romanticized ideals that were neither true of that period, nor are they really relevant for contemporary times. With today’s communication and ubiquitous movie animation it’s all too simple for the less socially savvy to latch on to old books heroic ideals.
But as I said, I loved the movie and I can see how heroic movies in this theme appeal to men frustrated by modern societal circumstance. If that mythological fantasy inspires them to greater aspiration I would say they do serve some purpose – for personal visualization if nothing else.
Unfortunately anything that celebrates masculinity today just becomes a target of ridicule and homosexual shaming for heterosexual men. It’s ironic how a fem-centric society will embrace flagrant homosexuality as normative yet when a heterosexual man celebrates his maleness he’s shamefully suspected of being homosexual himself. This in effect is a way to contain conventional masculinity in something that the Feminine Imperative hopes will control it.
I have on 3 separate occasions at 3 separate evangelical churches seen the ‘going off to war’ scene from 300 used as a ridiculous marketing tool to inspire ‘christian’ men to go to a Christian Men’s weekend retreat. It’s the part where the 300 are ranked up in front of Leonidas and he’s surveying their fitness for battle. The language is in french and the english subtitles are swapped in for some suitably ridiculous dialog between the men and Leonidas and Leo’s wife (whom he refers to as “snuggle bear” or some shit).
This is a good example of the feminine-primary ridicule of masculinity that Churchianity co-opts into Christian Culture. They are all too ready, maybe even more ready, to pander to men’s LARPing instinct while simultaneously ridiculing anything that might hint at men celebrating their maleness – much less finding any realistic empowerment from it. And the real tragedy is that it’s these self-same christian men who are creating these parodies of themselves.
The Imperative Awakens
I’m going to paraphrase a bit here, but there’s an idiom that states if you can control the art and imagination of a culture you can subdue that culture. I may be butchering that, but the drift is that when you supplant an ‘organic’ idealism with the ideological seeds of what you believe ‘ought to be’ you begin by stirring the imagination at an early age.
When we’re in our early youth we’re like intellectual sponges from the age of 5 on into (and beyond) our teenage years. So it should come as no surprise that male idealism finds its most formative roots when we’re kids. Even when our imaginations aren’t fed by myths and stories boys will take up the role of creating them for themselves. The details of exactly what we create and romanticize are less important than how we came to identifying with it and how it influences our identities later in life.
I’m prefacing here with this to give you an understanding of just how easy it’s become for a feminine-primary social order to influence this nascent idealism in boys and later men. The human race is one based on stories. First it was oral histories and later those were recorded in written languages. Telling stories is how we used to learn, and really still do in a more detailed fashion with the rise of technology and global communications. When boys are playing out the roles of characters presented to them they are enacting the ideals of what’s represented in those stories.
SPOILER ALERT – If you haven’t seen Star Wars, The Force Awakens yet, you’ll want to skip this next part until you do.
I recently watched the latest installment of the Star Wars series, The Force Awakens, and as you might guess it’s virtually impossible for me to see any popular media without my Red Pill Lenses on. Going in I had no doubt that I’d be subjected to the messaging of the Feminine Imperative, but I loved the original series and even the much maligned prequels, so I knew I’d want to see this one.
I fondly remember seeing the original Star Wars in the theater when it released in 1977. I was 9 years old and I absorbed the fantasy and mythology of it as you might expect a boy would. Heroism, daring, fighting, and all the comic book bravado I was already steeped in was more than satisfying, but there was also the element of mythology and moralism that crept into the story arc in the sequels.
Of course I couldn’t appreciate it then, but that mythology was a carefully crafted aspect of the original stories. There’s a great book, and I think documentary, called The Power of Myth about the Star Wars series that I later found an appreciation for as I got older and made the connections with the classics I also loved in college.
So with this in the back of my head I went to see The Force Awakens, and with a Red Pill perspective I could appreciate the complete, feminized, bastardization of this original, well crafted mythology.
Granted the story arc carefully followed from the original Star Wars movie; Death Star, small weakness, heroic last minute attempt to destroy it, galaxy saved when the bigger Death Star explodes, the end. The basic plot is essentially the same and left me thinking that this was more of a rewrite than any real progression from the original trilogy.
Overall it felt very hurried. There was the presumption of familiarity with, and between, all of the new characters, but within the familiar formula-theme (you know the Titanic sinks and you know the Death Star explodes) the lack of character development is obviously something the writers will explore in future sequels.
It’s important to keep this copping of the old formula in mind, because what J.J. Abrams does in this effective retelling is important when you begin to see the bastardization and the influence of the Feminine Imperative in the story. For the past decade there’s been a popular push to assimilate old, formulaically successful films and story franchises and retell them from a feminine-primary perspective. Recently that was the Mad Max rehash that casts the main character as an ambiguously masculine woman. In 2016 the ‘all-female-but-don’t-call-it-all-female’ version of Ghost Busters is slated for release. Hell, even 300 got the ‘make it feminine primary’ treatment with its sequel.
It’s no secret that there’s been a dearth of original storytelling in Hollywood for the better part of the 21st century. Thus, the want to return to the old magic that got the last 3 generations inspired. 80’s cartoons, now classic sci-fi and fantasy franchises, and golden era comics serves as a deep well of movie-ready stories, but none are retold without the ubiquitous pervasiveness that the Feminine Imperative requires of its storytellers today.
Killing Heroes in Male Space
I was not shocked in the slightest that the first heroic casualty of the film would be Han Solo; and slain by his neurotic, identity conflicted son no less. It was apropos for a retelling of the classic formula that would see all semblances of conventional masculinity erased from what is intended to be a new classic. Han Solo represented the last of a kind, the brash, self-assured, cocky scoundrel that women cannot resist – the “I love you.” “I know.” brand of rake.
In an earlier iteration Captain Kirk from the original Star Trek series held the same old books bravado, and minus the outlaw, anti-hero aspect of Solo, Kirk was essentially the same character (if not with a bit more responsibility). If I had the stomach to do so, it would be an interesting social experiment to do a cross-generational comparative analysis of the characters from the original Star Trek series cast with the Next Generation cast of the early 90s. Even if you only have a cursory understanding of both series, you can see the generational capstones evident in the main characters of each generation, separated by less than 30 odd years.
It might seem a bit foolish to use flights of fancy as archetypes that define the character of a generation, but remember this is science fiction, and that genre describes a want for how that generation sees the future unfolding – even when it is just fantasy. Were it not de rigueur for the franchise I might expect J.J. Abrams to delete the iconic “A long time ago”, part of a galaxy far, far away.
What Star Wars and other long established story franchises represent to the prophets of the Feminine Imperative is twofold. First and foremost they represent familiar vehicles into which the ideological messaging of the imperative can be palatably digested. Second, they represent opportunities of the retribution and restitution for perceived wrongs that feminism has always sought after.
Paint it Pink
As I mentioned earlier, these classic feminine-interpreted remakes are glaring examples of the lack of any truly creative storytelling for some time. I had to laugh a bit when I’d seen that The Mighty Thor (classic conventional masculine archetype) had been “bravely” replaced by a female Thor in the comics recently. The story formula remains the same, but the gender is swapped. Not for nothing, but if Marvel were truly ‘brave’ about a gender swap they’d make Red Sonja a ginger male barbarian who goes around wantonly killing women to prove he’s as good as any woman in combat.
However, the gender swaps, the killing of long established, storied masculine characters, and the appropriation of classic, heroic masculine story formulae (even all-male comedies) all represent the jealous need to retell and rehash in a way that denies and discredits Male Space. The attempts (like Star Wars) are feeble retellings of exactly the same stories with women characters and women’s interests inserted into what formerly accounted for male space storytelling.
Blue Pill readers may read this last assertion and think, well, that’s kind of a stretch, but what you should ask yourselves is why those well established franchises are such attractive, more attractive, endeavors than making the efforts to create a new story to tell that conveys the same, feminine primary, social narrative? Why remake Mad Max as a woman? Why give Thor a sex change rather than create a new character in a new franchise that embodies the same ideals the imperative hopes will ride on the old ones?
Because that ideology, by and of itself, is neither believable nor admirable to men. Those bastardized, contrived notions of feminine empowerment are only legitimized in a world, fantasy or otherwise, that was created by men. So we get a girl Jedi (my guess is Disney will eventually make Rey a princess) who is all things to everything. And we get a bumbling, reluctant male “hero” who’s stumbles along needing her aid at every obstacle. Compare the character of Finn with that of Han Solo and you begin to understand why Solo needs to die when the Star Wars franchise playground passes into the hands of a director who’s been steeped in feminine-primacy for a lifetime.
Now, all of this might seem like an effort in pointing out the obvious for most Red Pill aware men. After all, it was this time last year that I wrote the Red Pill Lens, and even if I hadn’t most Red Pill men are painfully aware of how saturated in the imperative that popular media/culture truly is. Bear in mind, the Disney marketing juggernaut had the entire world aware of all the new characters’ names, the basic plot and a million different co-branding effort in every imaginable, and unrelated, variety since the beginning of June this year.
But all this comes back to the stories we tell ourselves. What flights of fancy we romanticizes and idealize (idolize?) in our youth, as well as the ones we reminisce over later in life. It’s one thing to point out how boys are taught to gender loathe in school or how our teachers instill us with their own ideological bents, but that learning goes far beyond the formal institutionalized kind. Flights of fancy, imaginative storytelling, the games we play as children and adults are indulgences we want to play a part in willingly. We like that kind of teaching, we look forward to it; but even so, feminine-primacy is ready to co-opt that desire for it’s own ends.
And that is how you subdue a culture.
This is the social reach Disney has. We rarely see it exercised to this extent, but the next time you see a new Pixar movie marketed to just your children’s demographic remember the reach Disney really has.
Hmm. So Di$ney is the real, true, Death Star?
This blog really hits home hard,mutch to tired working to pay for dishnet tvs celphones cars etc.to even think about going to watch some emasculating turd of a movie.The only people who will buy this sort of crap maybe dont have to work hard to pay for it.I may check out hateful eight.The entertainment industry sells whatever sells.Sad but true,no worrys you cant spoil a turd and you cant polish it either. Mad Max was a letdown seen em all will never see another. Have heard young men complain of old guys taking up the good space potential is no… Read more »
“Hmm. So Di$ney is the real, true, Death Star?”
Three of them.
Anon Reader @ 10:36pm,
Seriously?
Ah, you mean:
“Onward Christian People
Strolling into Life…”
@stuffinbox
> you cant spoil a turd and you cant polish it either
Well, WRT turd polishing:
Held off on seeing this movie for exactly the reasons cited here. I’ve decided to refrain from spending my money to the degree possible on vehicles of masculine denigration and female hagiography. I will download a torrent of it when that be ones available and I suggest other men do this as well. A couple of thoughts: Despite Liz, Star Wars is overwhelmingly a male supported franchise. I know someone who went to see TFA in Manhattan and he claimed there were only a handful of females in the audience. This confirms the motivation for shoving another uber-grrrl down our… Read more »
You need better, more bolded spoiler alerts, or just save it for another post. Until this I had avoided any SW spoilers and quite frankly, the last place I expected to find any is here.
@Forge the Sky Watch yourself dude. Servers have a knack for reading people. Perhaps she was interested. Perhaps she knows how to pull a tip. They know how to give those “subtle queues” that communicate closeness. They certainly aren’t all like that, but enough are. Most servers I know absolutely hate when customers hit on them. I’ve actually heard two talking about balancing the touchy feely stuff so they get a bigger tip without triggering the “she’s hot for me” response. All I’m saying is with relation to your game, perhaps you didn’t screw anything up. Perhaps you simply didn’t… Read more »
Oh they still make sausage-fest Man Movies. This new adventure The Revenant looks like it will be one. There is “Unbroken”, directed by Mrs. Brad Pitt herself!, as well. Speaking of Mr. Jolie he did “Tank.” Tarantino’s new “Hateful8” looks like it has one female role and otherwise lots of sausage; Tarantino’s first movie “Reservoir Dogs” qualifies too. Then there are classics like “Usual Suspects.”
I have long posited that two of the best man-movies which best describe why men are the way they are – these days anyway – are “Fight Club” and “Glengarry Glen Ross.”
@is this thing on Heh, thanks for the reminder, it’s good to remember. I’m quite certain that’s not what was going on in this case tho. She was trying hard to suppress her signals; girls who are playing you tend to amp them up. She also got blank faced when she actually came up to the table and started throwing out glances and iois when she was farthest away in a corner, a ‘safe’ spot where clients wouldn’t bother her. Basic redlight vs greenlight stuff. Maybe she’s just really clever, sure. But she dawdled around for like 15 mins after… Read more »
@Forge the Sky Admittedly this is probably all projection on my part. The rest of this is simply a story to hopefully help some of the new guys. I remember going to a strip club one night a long long time ago. I remember looking at the 40 year old saps at the front of the stage. I remember thinking with a great deal of contempt how pathetic they looked. I remember saying to my buddy, “Every one of those dumb bastards thinks that girl really likes them.” The girl in question was decent looking. Probably a high 7. But… Read more »
@scribbler Women are not suited for martial endeavors for the most part. So much this. We get females in my wing chun class occasionally. Keep in mind according to the foggy history of the art it was originally founded by and for a woman. Not a single one has stayed for two fairly large reasons: 1) Women lack the gumption to stick to it. Martial arts involves failing over and over and over and over again at the same thing until you fail less than you succeed. Chicks just don’t get that. 2) I am my sifu’s go to guy… Read more »
Reading more reviews of the latest instantiation of $tar War$ I’m struck by the fact that it’s totally a rehash of the 1970’s movie, which really is more comic book than SF. Death Star again? Can’t the Empire come up with any better idea? Look, the 1980’s sequels had some problems with the technology (the “walkers” were just stupid, for example) but frankly nothing has changed. Cripes, we have better communications systems now than they do in the future…duh, huh? Rollo kinda covered this but…$tar War$ is not science fiction anymore, it is now more of a Reifenstahlesque “Triumph” of… Read more »
Yollo Comanche @ December 22nd, 2015 at 5:03 pm:
“But oblivious? It’s easy to see. Almost all men alive today use female approval as a rubric for their own masculine worth.”
Oblivious means he doesn’t realize what he’s doing. What I’m saying is, I used to have some ties to the movie industry and assure you the casting/story here is very deliberate. He’s pushing the narrative, not following it.
“The Force can have a strong influence on the cis-gendered.” So he thinks.
What we should be able to see. Lies hidden in plain sight heheheee.
As if a man could gain the respect of a women by capitulating to the FI. The fact that no woman will ever respect a man for what he has done for her, much less if she has to do anything for him to make it. She can only respect him for what he has done/can do for himself.
Such a pity really.
Well, I won’t repeat what has been said (and I agree) but I wanted to ask a question.
Why do female actresses think that a bitchy look equals to “strong woman”? It seems a pouty face to me.
In “the Force awakens”, it was insufferable to see this girl that seemed at the verge of having a tantrum for the whole movie.
FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY Guess this comment goes here, I checked out the Rational Twitter header up there from Mr. T. TL;DR: Amanda Marcotte at Salon is whining that too few men are feminist enough to vote for Hillary for President instead of Bernie and therefore they are all sexist pigs since they’re more BernieBros than Hillaryistas, thanks for shaming. But every woman voter is superfeministy and therefore must be for Hils, because, you know. Her premise, and her evidence, are flat wrong, so I won’t cite the Salon piece, but here is a statistical takedown by another analyst who… Read more »
men have to work to become attractive men, women are for the most part just handed the status of attractive woman by genetics.
This archetype for the instantly competent SIW heroine seems to just be wish-fulfillment for women being handed everything masculine just as they’re handed everything necessary to be feminine by virtue of existing.
As Warren Farrell said, women are human beings, men are human doings.
@Fred Flange, red flannel jammies – Hillary is cunt. Trump is a prick. Much rather have a prick running the ship than a cunt. Trump is sorta a charming prick to boot.
Trump 2016 … go you fucker, go.
Do not despair! Let the fiasco of TFA distill its absurdities and then flip the script at every opportunity to destroy it. I did this with Mad Max Fury road with my daughter who initially loved it for all the crazy cars and the red pajama guitar player. (God bless her! the best parts) I had her re-watch the first 15 minutes and we pointed out all the civilizing attributes of Immortan Joe. In Joe’s attempt of rebuilding civilization, he established agriculture to feed his people, he employed medical professional for healthcare needs, as well as employing mechanics, welders, and… Read more »
@Sun Wukong
True enough. I used to wish more girls stayed in my martial arts class. The ones who started quit. Now it’s just me and the rest doing WORK. Up we go. Can’t really blame them. Masculine men don’t value women for their masculine hard work.
Good art survives despite spoilers. Good art actually becomes better with each visit. Anyways, Good calls on the FI. Finn will no doubt grow into his Bad Ass Normal (IE, no Force) role as the movie continues, but in this film was something of a bumbling idiot. In contrast, “Mary Sue” describes Rey perfectly. There are plenty of obvious hints that this was a knowing nod to how poorly women fared in prior films. “I don’t need you to tell me how to run!” This is, of course, insulting, because we already had a spunky princess in freakin’ 1977 with… Read more »
Masculine men dont value women for their masculine hard work. She is pretty strong more muscular than most men. She shows up later, leaves earlier, exercises power through gossip, dresses like a slut, chokes the hammer, carries material the hard way,cant aim a nailgun but she can read a tape measure ,cut straight and did i mention she is pretty? Mostly just a big distraction on the slowest most expensive construction company in town.I value her as exceptional,she admits to being motivated by a large chip on her shoulder against stepfather. Exceptional woman indeed. I mainly appreciate women like this… Read more »
@Rollo, here’s a thought to close out the new year. I’d love to be able to go to my local bars and hang with some fellow RP dudes. Nice to have wings that totally get it. But besides a secret handshake, no good way to go about finding out if any Tomasians are in the bars with us. Must be some way to talk about fight club without talking about fight club. Everyone on this board that has responded to me, I thank you. Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. My life is so much better now… Read more »
Perhaps the catering to female tastes is more about M-O-N-E-Y. If so, it’ll be funny since feminists think movies are empowering women when it’s really about making money off of them. Nice one, Hollywood.
See what I mean here: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-30/-star-wars-toys-aren-t-just-for-boys-anymore-as-rey-takes-over
@Rollo
Have you considered updating your comment system to allow direct replies to individual commentators?
Something along the lines of how IllimitableMen has his comments set up would be clearer and less confusing to follow a thread.
Dalrock could do with updating his similarly.
You know, I did just that when I started the blog and every commenter thought it was annoying. I don’t know maybe.
@Fred Flange December 23rd, 2015 at 11:22 am “Tarantino’s new “Hateful8” looks like it has one female role and otherwise lots of sausage” I never saw a man command so much frame as the Samuel Jackson character (Major Marquis Warren) did. But there is not a greater illustration that frame is not power. But Real Power is a glorious thing. The female role is in essence of “you going to make a deal with this diabolical bitch?” Goddamn spoiler alert: You can still be shot in the nuts at any point in time. Not a reason to abdicate frame and… Read more »
Another SJW spoiler unmentioned. Storm troopers are now victims! First they were elite enemy soldiers, then all clones of amoral bounty hunter Jango Fett, but now they are kidnapped children (babies!) Taken, trained, brainwashed and conditioned by white men with English accents, who else? Pure “Blank Slate” liberalism. No one would choose to be evil if they weren’t forced to be. ISIS volunteers, sociopathic Mexican drug cartel murders and serial rapists and killers are victims of their childhoods. Will patricidal Kylo Ren will be “saved” by his mothers (Leia) love in the end like Luke “saved” Darth Vader? Probably. Despite… Read more »
“SJWs and the FI are all about the Feelz.”
Old Yeller was a goddam hero. As is often the case, in the process he became a victim.
It isn’t “fair,” and you can cry all you want, but the rabid dog still needs to be put down.
Geez, you really suck. You said to avoid the NEXT part for spoilers, not that the following part after that section right underneath the next bit of bold font was a dead giveaway. Thanks a lot, asshole. I am now officially done following you. Dick move, Man…seriously you suck ass.
Rollo, you should see what the FI has in store for in the next Bond installment. Jeez…
for us*
https://twitter.com/Book_56/status/679911098573832193
“digireaper December 22nd, 2015 at 10:33 am And it just got worse and worse in all the shows I watched later. The nickelodeon cartoon “Avatar: the last airbender” is probably one of the worst offenders I remember, that show had the “sexist chauvinistic” guy’s ass handed to him by a girl and later he bows down to her to teach him how to fight, a skinny woman beating a muscular man in arm wrestling, a blind 12-year old girl that acts like a man and beats huge men constantly, a team of girls that can take out lots and lots… Read more »
@Mat: “The first order are all white men.”
Fin is a deserter from the First Order and he is black. What are you talking about?
Form for dw110774
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Christ I can’t believe all the whining I’ve seen here. If you didn’t want the new Star Wars movie spoiled, you should have gone nowhere near the internet until you saw it.
Buncha fuckin’ pansies. Here lemme spoil something else for you:
Jesus dies on page 681.
“Fin is a deserter from the First Order and he is black. What are you talking about?”
What the word “deserter” means.
Now this is worth a thousand star war.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w1AvlRg8V50
@bo jangles
I’m searching for “The Longboats” book but not getting any matches. Do you know the authors name?
@Sun Wukong
I agree. They should stop being so butthurt over a fucking Disney movie.
@Stultus Sum:
It’s “The Long Ships”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Ships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Ships_%28film%29
A little Chrstmas spirit for you fucktards giving Rollo a hard time about “spoilers”. Go suck a motherfucking bowl of dicks. Not a one of you are doing 1/100,000th of what he’s doing for men here. You are such ungrateful little cunts that you don’t get that it is incredibly rude and ungrateful of you to be such bitches about this. There is no charge for this blog, no advertising, Rollo isn’t hawking products here or begging for alms on Patreon. He does this because he knows he can make a difference for men. Purely to help us and all… Read more »
Rollo put a spoiler alert – the entire issue is over.
Getting mad at Rollo over spoilers or dedicating an entire post to flaming somebody who is mad at Rollo over it, is ridiculous on both fronts.
This isn’t CH’s message board, act like it. This argument stinks of keyboard jockeys who don’t or will ever approach high-quality women. And I say that to shed some perspective, not as a put-down.
Happy Holidays
@23 – You can go suck a dick too. Just who in the fuck do you think you are? Slink back not the hole you normally hide in.
@Scribblerg
An adult. I’d assume you’re 16 by the way to talk and how quickly and severely you get offended by something on internet message board.
For all the Star fuck movies, get this :
I, never watched any of these stupid, teenage movies, grow up, these stupid movies are made for little boys (even as a little boy, thought it was silly to watch)..
So, there.
Ps,
And you wander why bitches say men are boys.
Watched two jewlywood movies last night, Sicario and Love & Mercy. Both were the usual FI anti-white male productions. In both movies, I noticed with interest, the important female characters were repeatedly asked by male characters “how do you feel?”, and “are you okay/alright?” In Sicario, the tough lead female fbi agent is asked these questions SEVEN times in a 120 minute movie! This is a very interesting phenomenon and rings a bell for me in that I am sure that I have subconsciously noticed this piece of dialogue in many other movies. From now on I will be on… Read more »
@Kim,
Why be on ‘the lookout’? Just reject it outright. That’s my advice. Get it out of your life. I did it about 10 months ago and I feel damned CLEAN. I’m not trying to run your life but it’s something to think about. Drop Jewlywood outright.
Rollo,
I have to ask: what were doing at three evangelical churches recently? Is this in the way of business?
Context: I’m a Brit, and in Brit-land someone with your views being religious at all would be a surprise, and being evangelical would be an outright shock. But we Brits are a heathen bunch.
Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.
PS: Seeing Star Wars after Christmas. Took one look at the warrior-girl in the trailer and rolled my eyes, but I never took the first trilogy seriously either, though it was lovely story-telling.
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas everybody! @sun, emily and ib are going to be upset you gave away that spoiler Today’s Ask Amy column allows you to compare the FI answer with your TRP aware answer. Letter 1 (condensed): I believe I may have met the girl for me. She is beautiful, intelligent, funny and everything I seek in a partner. There is one factor that makes me hesitate. She is six years older than me and has two young children. As a young 26-year-old man, I feel my family would have reservations about the pairing. I know there are… Read more »
Question for the group:
Is the pro-FI TFA (rehash/reboot) better than or worse than the coming pro-FI rehash/reboot of Ghostbusters?
Ghostbusters feels worse, imo. I remember reading something attributed to the director/producer that basically said “…if you don’t like an all female GB you are a misogynist..”.
Looks like the Matrix is actually trying to shame us into seeing a movie.
Hope all of you enjoy Christmas however you choose to celebrate!
” A long-term relationship with a woman with children implies family . . .”
. . . renovating. The family has already been built and gone to hell.
‘Family renovating.’ Excellent.
She built her family, it shattered to pieces, now she’s looking for a handyman.
Even if I’m a great handyman, I’d rather be an architect.
“It’s likely Abrams was oblivious to this God-woman narrative he created. Women are entitled to be perfect and all their merit is simply evident without having to earn it. Men must perform, men must struggle and earn anything approaching the ready perfection of woman and still they lack.”
They can do no wrong. As IllimitbableMen says: “Men must become powerful to be loved; women and children need only exist.”
Once a structure has gone past a certain point of disrepair, it is always easier, cheaper and a damned sight less aggravating to build new. I live in a late Victorian that over the years has had to be stripped to the studs, both inside and out. Trust me on this one.
@Redlight – Sounds like “I’m 26” from Ask Amy is suffering from two FI induced Blue Pill delusions: Oneitis “there is something about her I can’t put into words and its mutual” lol. Decoded: SHE LIKES ME AND FUCKS ME GOOD I’VE NEVER HAD A WOMAN TREAT ME THIS WAY BEFORE BECAUSE UP UNTIL NOW I’VE BEEN TRYING TO HAVE LTRs WITH 25YO or YOUNGER COCK CAROUSEL RIDERS WHO THINK ME BEING NICE TO THEM SIGNALS THAT I’M A LOSER. For those guys out there who also suffer from Oneitis just know there is no such thing a”the one” for… Read more »
Check this out
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/nyregion/wealthy-men-are-targeted-in-nightclubs-police-say.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Hey Rollo, I don’t know if you’ve seen this new movie coming out with Mark Wahlberg and Will Ferrel but the whole premise is basically about alpha fucks beta bucks so I thought if you had not already seen it you might appreciate it
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSz77cfQxeiyu4O3ei9wAnnlJOPILPke-Npz1YMC57CWrRGRRjf
Well I was gonna do a whole write-up with callouts but familial duty called. I’ll save it for new years. So for now I’d like to just wish everyone a merry Christmas. Rollo, thank you for this place. All, thank you for your thoughts and dialogue.
I’ll be around.
Also, glad to hear you’re having a good Christmas Glenn.
“Even if I’m a great handyman, I’d rather be an architect”
I could never understand why guys would marry women with kids. If a wife will love your kids before you, then a woman with kids from a different man will always love her kids before a man that is not their biological father.
“Also, I think it’s really just economics that are pushing for greater representation of women in these sorts of roles, because it’s just opening up a new market to exploit. The idea of gender flipping old characters is just an easy way to make a quick buck and get some cheap publicity. As someone said before, when companies do stuff like this, it’s just an indicator that they’ve run out of ideas.” This is what I see as the bigger motivation behind the change in the representation of female characters in the media in the last 20 yrs. How many… Read more »
The more I read this and observe what is going on in the society. I get the impression that the feminist imperative is winning and while men may be all huff and puff in these comments section very few men dare stand up for their beliefs. I understand that Rollo is against telling People what to do to fix the problem…perhaps it’s time practical solutions are suggested. Like with most topics political, economic etc. It gets tiring seeing people point out what is wrong (which most people know anyway). What’s annoying is no one offering solutions. To the commenter saying… Read more »
” You should see how much of the Western culture these continents are starting to copy. ”
Look beyond Kowloon and Nairobi.
“Fuck White Knights, they are the true enemies.”
Agreed.
I can’t watch this new Star Wars movie. Men need to start making better choices in their lives. It starts with turning off the TV and turning off these movies – because they hold you back, hold back your progress and do nothing but continue the programming.
It’s been obvious for a long time that the media (own by a few corporations, now) are all about money…even if it means the decay of our society. They will sell and side with terrorists if it means their share prices will increase (sad but true).
@SEM – I’ve seen this analysis crop on this thread and elsewhere in the manosphere, claiming that economics are the larger driver of changes in the pop culture vs. the FI and frankly, I think that’s a very simplistic way to see things. Such an analytical frame is nothing new, it’s a “materialistic” analysis. In fact, Karl Marx’s reductionist views of the world represented materialistic analysis run amok and we often here this kind of “thinking” from the left when they want to criticize corporations or “capitalism” (dumbest term ever, as property ownership axiomatically implies the right to trade it,… Read more »
” . . . the TFA franchise is about making money . . .”
. . . as that’s what “franchise” means.
“Timing beats speed and precision beats power”
Bullet placement is more important than caliber.
@Scribblerg Real-world data collection: Watching the Marine fight vid and two sisters (teens) and a brother (early 20’s) came to see what was up. My brother analyzed it like he would any fight – “Damn, she’s getting hammered…. whoop, she’s slowing down!” Older of the sisters kinda knows the score wrt my views and is just kinda quiet about it. After it was done she made a snide comment about how I was ‘probably going to look up videos of girls fighting now.’ Lol dunno what that means, she was just trying to throw a little barb out there. Non-egalitarianism… Read more »
That chick soldier is seriously thick (I mean in the literal sense, not just figuratively). I wonder how she passed the PT tape test? “Younger of the sisters (middle school age) kept asking things like “Why is she getting beaten so badly? If she doesn’t have the same training why is she fighting him?” [we tell her she does have the same training more or less] ‘Then why is she losing?’ [I say that women are less strong and fast then men at the same size and training level. Silence.]” I’m almost surprised they didn’t ask why the female soldier… Read more »
@Forge – I had a really eye opening experience with Blue Pillness and TFA. Despite my earlier protestations here, I ended up going to see TFA with my bro, 6 yr old niece and her 42 yr old, black male cousin last night. The male cousin is a camera operator and has been in film/tv for a while and is also a big nerd type. He’s actually fit and presents himself in a manly way – until he opens his mouth that is. We ended up talking about TFA alone on xmas eve (didn’t want to bring it up in… Read more »
That’s how I’m going to attack the audience; I’m going to attack them sexually. And I’m not going to go after the women in the audience, I’m going to attack the men. I am going to put in every image I can think of to make the men in the audience cross their legs. Homosexual oral rape, birth. The thing lays its eggs down your throat, the whole number. The writer of Alien (1979), as films switched to the strong woman character. Nowadays it is imperative to have a strong woman character and not have weak women characters. So in… Read more »
@Scribbleberg: Unplugging men is dangerous and dirty work. There are much better uses of your energy than arguing with a mangina about the mythology of female fighting prowess. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU1SGf6cHmw The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And… Read more »
What DOES work with simpering manginas is to tell them about all the hot and frequent sex you are having. Wait, you have sex with your wife 3 times a week? Your kidding! What? How?
Hmmm, what DO women want?
“Have you considered updating your comment system to allow direct replies to individual commentators?”
Long time lurker. I prefer comments the way they are. I think nested comments are what turned Heartiste’s comments into the fetid fever swamp they have since become.
@randallg
Yup, agree. Well, there were a lot of other more important things that made it that way as well. But simple things like that contribute.
Also, nested comments are a bitch to navigate if you’re trying to follow the comments on a thread. The @[name] system works great. I can remember more than more comment at once.
*more than one comment
http://www.tshirtlaundry.com/assets/images/photos/HoHoHo12-15-2011/machine-gun-ho-ho-ho-2.jpg Hey Family. Lol. I’ve avoided this thread/post until after I’ve seen Star Wars. Not because it will ruin my life or anything, lmao… it’s just that I don’t expect it to be the movie(s) I remember from 30 years ago. But what’s up with all the ruckus??? I gotta go back in the comments to see what happened, but did some fanboys come in and start cursing people out or something? I’ll go check out the flick tomorrow. My family wants to go, my daughters are kinda hyped up. I don’t have feelings one way or another because Lucas… Read more »
@Scribblerg I’m actually about to go see it here, ha. Siblings and friends are all going. I anticipate enjoying it as a fun action/drama flick, I just kinda expect bluepill/FI in pop culture these days. Trying to have a redpill convo with most people can be really enlightening. It’s a sudden shock to see how very far removed from the mainstream your knowledge actually is. It’s surprising sometimes to see who gets emotional about it and who doesn’t. Rollo has written about ‘Beta game’ before, and I think that’s a great way to think about what you’re talking about. Beta… Read more »
Lemme bounce off this a sec: Me: “Women let men build, then they appropriate. Doesn’t matter that a man dug, laid foundations, framed, sided, insulated, roofed, plumbed, and floored. She gets to choose the fit and finish.” This is a general principle. Women are uninterested in process, uninterested in the past. They’re interested in RESULTS. They don’t care if some guy was a chode back when and now he’s cool. They don’t care if they rejected him or mocked him. He wasn’t popular then so they couldn’t be blamed for that. So there’s no shame in being ‘into’ Star Wars,… Read more »
Pinelero December 25th, 2015 at 8:21 pm “Even if I’m a great handyman, I’d rather be an architect” I could never understand why guys would marry women with kids. If a wife will love your kids before you, then a woman with kids from a different man will always love her kids before a man that is not their biological father. Pinelero I married my 2nd wife, and she had a daughter from her previous marriage. I would not advise the average man to marry a woman with child(ren), but situations can vary greatly. In my particular case not being… Read more »
The potential of science fiction as a medium to carry out socio-cultural ‘gedankenexperimente’/ thought experiments has been recognized and discussed since at least HG Wells’ time. Hypothetical scenarios can be enacted in popular media in the hope of re-sculpting reality and creating a “new consensus.” Ideas can be tested and underlying assumptions of the current culture can be called into question.
I suppose everyone involved in creating and commissioning these consensus-shaping ‘thought experiments’ could have stumbled into doing so unconsciously but I very much doubt it.
IMO – the tide might finally be starting to turn already, with respect to people finally starting to recognize the irrationality of the politically-correct-speak around the Feminine Imperative thing. Over the past few months I’ve already changed minds among women folk in my extended family’s social circle that are closer to my age or older. But I got another chance to talk about some current political and cultural issues on Christmas day at a large family gathering, with some of the younger women in my extended family’s social circle, and you can tell by the way the convos go, that… Read more »
LOTR marathon going on here. See it differently than a few years back.
Totally beta-ized Theoden gets his mind set right by Gandalf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQExgALv9wI
“Your fingers might remember their strength better if you held your own sword”.
@Forge – Update. Star Wars guys was completely civil a all day and we actually hung out together today and he didn’t mention it. I gave him some space in the morning as I had some work stuff to take care of. From my POV the ground taken was that I didn’t get emotional or personal and de-escalated when he was escalating as I don’t want any stupid fights at a family gathering. Good on him as I like the guy and there is no drama and he gets that. I also think that perhaps what I said is sinking… Read more »
@stuffinbox
Keep your lesbian unicorn fantasies to yourself, no? Some people around here are new and don’t realize you’re full of shit.
@Yollo Comanche Didnt mean to twist your shorts.This chick is real,worked with her for three weeks ,and couldnt wait to get away from the politics.She is hetero,engaged to a physical trainer,non poly and postponing the ceremony on principal. However there are some lesbian crews out there one of witch finished a 1.2million cabin that is only worth 800k. Some real hamster spinning there. Had a white knight type SJW ask me what i think about equal pay for equal work,its a great idea work by the square foot,do piece work i replied.He says no he meant equal pay for women… Read more »
Right before I got to the spoiler alert, I was thinking I’d bet the Star Wars movie is all about this with having to have a female main character in it. Low and behold, you’d already seen it. And it’s just like I’d expected. Tons of people were upset that they had a character like Finn be played by a black actor. But that’s actually usual when to have one either be reluctant, bumbling as was described, or to be there to set up the main hero explaining things. They’re in the movie to have a black character, but are… Read more »
And then there is this. The radfem who’s decided she’s entitled to simply stop having sex with her husband. http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a50474/wont-have-sex-with-husband-just-to-keep-him-happy/ A nice send up of this cretin, “Britni de la Cretaz” – if you translate her name into English it means “incredibly special snowflake”. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu1UNiW7RVI&w=560&h=315%5D And this is how this self-anointed authority on life and many other things lived up until 2011 – an addict and drunk who had sex to get drugs, lol and now she’s lecturing us? http://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/news/a39657/life-as-an-addict/ Fyi, I saw many people like this in “recovery”. They suddenly realize what out of control losers they are,… Read more »
@Rollo
Don’t know if you are still reading comments on this post, but just saw this from huffington post. It’s almost one of the funniest things I’ve ever read, although it is meant to be a serious article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randi-gunther/marriage-advice_b_5666990.html
@Is This Thing On?
Rollo quoted that article in this August 2014 posting:
http://therationalmale.com/2014/08/24/back-to-basics/
@Is this thing on – This. “But because they have no interest in returning to the “bad boy” mentality their competitors brandished, they are faced with a challenge most men have never had to confront. How do they hold on to their vulnerability and capacity to nurture, and blend it with the strength and power required of a self-respecting leader of men?” The author is referring to men who have been abandoned by their wives who have reconsidered and want to “try again”, holy shit, what a mind fuck this is. My Red Pill interpretation of the HuffPoo piece? –… Read more »
The plain English equivalent of the Latinate “androgyny” is “sexless,” yet it never seems to occur to them that a sexless marriage is a sexless marriage.
@ScribblerG “Please, how can I ever trust a woman in such a world?” Instead of going to the grocery store and seeing the jars of pickles in the aisle, you have to go out and organically grow your own cucumbers. Yep un-pickled fresh cucumbers. Of course, first you unplug from the Matrix and its pretty coded lies. And grow organically with the manosphere help of men. Let men like the Patriarchs of Blaximus tell the narrative. Don’t let the women tell the narrative. I came across something this week that combines two of my passions–reading good non-fiction literature and listening… Read more »
@Kfg – Nice comment. Carly Simon was indeed electric in her youth. My only point of contention is minor in that I was talking about the ecology and its effect on all women who are single in today’s world. You selected your wife 25 or so years ago and she lived in a different world. You are keeping her now but it seems that you came close to losing her, and given her age her options are quite limited – frivorce typically involves younger women who believe they can do better. Try to imagine that you were selecting from what’s… Read more »
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XG5GOH2CO1k
This is to Mr. Me, poor me.
@scribblerg
Those two articles are the entire argument for why you don’t wife up the post-epiphany Strong Independent Woman ever. Let her lane change in to a wreck with somebody else instead of the off-ramp with you. If she was slutting and partying it up in her 20s, at some point later she’s going to compensate somehow in the other direction. Your sex life will probably be her first casualty.
Scribbler, I agree with your peevish analysis. I don’t have a perfect solution, but I’m not going to stop trying for my own best strategy, my awareness and my game. Descriptions and analyses of behavior with examples allows one to write their own script. I take my analysis and break down the red pill elements and use it for my own personal game. Your mileage may vary, but you do/should want better mileage. Couple points I learned: -Life is not one big Apex Fallacy. We are all down on our own level and must leverage our assets and strengths and… Read more »
@Keyser Soze: Not available in the US.
Heh, Keyser fails to add comment value and move the dialog along in interesting ways. He fails the burden of commenting–to be engaging.
@SJF
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oiAuXRK3Ogk