Razorwire had another great comment about the “wait for me at 30” social convention that was this week’s topic (emphasis mine):
The thing with the “wait for me” or “in x years” lie is that it truly does reveal the pervasive dominance of the Feminine Imperative (FI). Sure, an 18 y/o woman will drop this on her high school beta BF as a kind of preemptive moral relief from confronting her true sexual agenda (alpha fux) but what I find to be worse – through my own experience, is how the lie is not just the cagey maneuvering of a woman in her sexual peak but rather something all women invoke with the full backing of the entire supporting cast.
Its not just the individual woman dropping this pretty little lie, but it is the how the lie is supported by the entire culture and propagated such that this little lie becomes the big lie, which is that her sexual strategy must remain paramount, her magical journey of womanhood must not be subordinated or impeded in any way by a man – or men, or even her own choices.
So even by 18, she has learned early and often that these little lies are not like most lies; they don’t lurk about like so many contingent liabilities, or like writing bad cheques about town that will soon enough come back to bite her. No they are more like swiping her EBT card, fully backed by the FI.
Its not coming out of her moral account, so the weight of these lies are carried by the recipient. And not only is he expected to accept this charge but he is actually paying for it on the other end as well through the various extractions and taxes the FI upholds.
It is at this other end where the little lie turns big; it becomes too hard to ignore, when the other Jimmy Choo falls. When a man actually gets to that point “in ten years” and has watched as the truth reveals itself over and over in the interim he is still expected to accept her EBT without hesitation.
He is again asked to accept the lie that “those mistakes/other men/experiences made her who she is today” that she is “finally ready” and thus he should see this as equity accrued to him.
The lie on the font end is a lesson learned. But it is the fact that the lie is perpetuated over all of those years and choices, only to be eventually re-heated and served up lukewarm when she decides to change lanes that is so damaging.
And the normalcy whitewashed over this is astounding, to the point in which a man might hear his own mother instructing him to accept it for all kinds of reasons and rationales that pave over his own experiences and observations. He might also get his ear bent by his dutiful beta husband friends, parroting similar platitudes of man-up. It can be a solitary place for a man, residing at the other end of the lie.
There’s more to the comment, but this was the grist of it I wanted to address. I’ll confess I had a hunch that if I let the comment thread go on long enough some good brother would scoop me on this next post. Razorwire didn’t disappoint.
More so, the very next comment by Adam Man added some more cement to the mix:
I’ve been seeing this picture pop up in my facebook feed
Do women really believe this? Apparently yes. If not for Rollo and Dalrock, I would have had no idea that intelligent (I’m convinced there are many intelligent women) women actually believe this.
Are women really that clueless? I feel like I need to ask this every month to be reminded that there are many many clueless people out there, but stuff like the picture above is absurd.
Tropes and memes like this are only absurd if, as a man, you haven’t accepted the most salient part (bolded) of what Razorwire observed in his comment, her sexual strategy must remain paramount. This is the essence of the feminine primacy I’ve explained in countless posts, but it bears repeating that this primacy is firmly root in the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
The Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.
Not to belabor it yet again, but it will also serve my point here to restate the Sandbergian declaration of Open Hypergamy as well:
“When looking for a life partner, my advice to women is date all of them: the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys. But do not marry them. The things that make the bad boys sexy do not make them good husbands. When it comes time to settle down, find someone who wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home. These men exist and, trust me, over time, nothing is sexier.”
― Sheryl Sandberg, Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead
I’m contrasting these two points to illustrate the circumstances men will find themselves in when they arrive at the point at which women will find themselves the most necessitous in consolidating their own sexual strategy (Hypergamy) in the long term.
I mentioned in That was then that the Break Phase is a very critical point for a young man’s life-decision making due to his Blue Pill conditioning and Disney naiveté about where he ought to serve women’s interests best. Naturally this is a precarious time because, for the majority, those young men are predisposed to sublimate their own ambitions and sacrifice their best interest because they cling to a Blue Pill hope; a hope that those sacrifices will engender a young woman’s attraction and she’ll reciprocate with something like his misguided concept of a mutual love.
The Plan
That was then. Now at 30 and (hopefully) with a learned and earned degree of merit, success, developed judgement, character and a reasonably well kept physique, a man finds himself in a position like no other – his options and agency to enjoy the attentions of women seem to suddenly be at an apex.
The planning women had at 19 when they told him to “wait for me at 30” now becomes more urgent as she becomes more viscerally aware of the Wall.
She knew this day would come when she was just entering into her peak SMV years.
As I’ve outline many times, women between the ages of 29 and 31 will enter the Epiphany Phase in which the rationalizations of their 20’s Sandbergian plan sexual priorities conflicts with the provisioning necessity and parental investment needs necessary for her long term security.
For men entertaining women embroiled in their Epiphany Phase inner conflicts, not only is this a very confusing phase for the uninitiated Beta, but it is also an equally precarious period with regard (once again) to the consequences of his life’s decisions with her. Most men find themselves players in women’s meta-sexual strategy at this time because they believe that their perseverance has finally paid off. All of that sacrifice and personal achievement has finally merited him the genuine interest of a “quality woman”.
For the men who never learn a Red Pill awareness what they fail to understand is that it’s at this point they’re are expected to abandon their own sexual strategy in order to complete that of the (now Epiphany Phase) woman they’re considering a pairing with. Whether they were literally asked to wait for a woman until she was 30, the effect is the same, they have waited their turn, they have waited to be of service, they have waited to fulfill a feminine primary sexual imperative.
You’ll notice I’ve bolded “over time” in Sandberg’s quote. This is an important, and not so subtle, detail to consider in the selling of a mandated and feminine-correct strategy to men.
The plan was never to find a man who “wants an equal partner. Someone who thinks women should be smart, opinionated and ambitious. Someone who values fairness and expects or, even better, wants to do his share in the home.” The plan was to create and ensure a Beta provider is waiting for her when she needs him most – one pre-whipped and pre-willing to forgive the indiscretions of her fucking the bad boys, the cool boys, the commitment-phobic boys, the crazy boys, on her ‘journey of self-discovery’.
To effect this, not only must he be convicted of his righteous purpose in that plan, he’s got to be convinced that when he arrives at this juncture in life “nothing is sexier” than him. His Beta, Blue Pill conditioned ignorance about his true role in this planning is of the highest importance.
In prior generations, the ones before the sexual revolution, the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies could be balanced in both sexes mutually compromising those strategies to ensure the complementary benefit of both men and women. Those days are no more. They’ve been replaced with men’s planned (subconscious and aware) abdication to women’s Hypergamous sexual strategy. That compromise in strategy has been replaced with women’s solipsistic expectation that men will, by default and by right, abandon their own sexual strategy and sublimate their own self-interests to ensure the strategies and interests of women.
Red Pill awareness and contingent strategies on men’s part are the only recourse to this ‘plan’.
[…] By Rollo Tomassi […]
over time, nothing is sexier.
Sexier, in a providing resources way, like Trump closing a deal was “sexy” or getting a promotion is “sexy”. Not sexy in PIV way–that would be yucky.
OK, I’ll be first. Remember this song from the Eagles? __________________________________________ Well, I heard some people talkin’ just the other day And they said you were gonna put me on a shelf But let me tell you I got some news for you And you’ll soon find out it’s true And then you’ll have to eat your lunch all by yourself ‘Cause I’m already gone And I’m feelin’ strong I will sing this vict’ry song, woo, hoo, hoo, woo, hoo, hoo The letter that you wrote me made me stop and wonder why But I guess you felt like you… Read more »
Yes, elective cuckoldry is the noblest of all the Betamanly Arts and a “good” man’s sacred duty.
So lean in! Trust me, gents—in time, nothing is sexier to a man than the smell of two hundred alpha cocks on his bride.
Beware the changing “type”: “Julia, a 27-year-old Philadelphia paralegal, says, “I had a definite type: ski bums and musicians who waited tables to make money. They were sexy as hell, but I was expected to pay for most dates and they’d be reluctant to ask me out for New Year’s, never mind the rest of my life. I was miserable. Something had to change.” That “something” was her type: The next time Julia went to a singles dance, she tried something new. Instead of seeking out a drummer with six-pack abs, she met an accountant. He may have lacked a… Read more »
My eldest son, 18,years old.next month, after becoming RP aware, decided that asshole.game is his best option to deal with the crazy bitches. I am so glad.
Being aware of the Female Imperative and it’s medial reinforcement is actually a fun ideology. I’m looking for it in movies for example. For example, the Chris Pratt character (age 36) in Jurassic World, who trains raptors and literally labels himself the alpha (among the raptors) is a Indiana Jones clone. The woman in Jurassic park is a stuck up manager (age 34) akin to the blonde in the second film. And the relationship is the nagging kind of flirting that Jones has with each woman. But while 80’s Indiana Jones was banging a different girl in each of the… Read more »
(btw. she married and divorced both)
Better than “two hundred c0cks” is “sloppy thirds” because of believability.
I think Sandberg spilled the beans with that quote. Had I not found TRM, I would probably go apeshit MGTOW just by reading it. Can blue pill conditioning be so strong to the point of one not getting it with such an utterly obvious statement?
The lie on the font end is a lesson learned. But it is the fact that the lie is perpetuated over all of those years and choices, only to be eventually re-heated and served up lukewarm when she decides to change lanes that is so damaging. I actually disagree with this point. Both lies are equally damaging. The significant portion of damage from the first lie rests inside the women casting the lie. She is ignorant of it, true, but the damage is done when she convinces herself of the nonsense that her sexual selection process is in any way… Read more »
I’m trying to relate the post picture to the implied meaning, finding difficulty as always. She’s standing in a pool of water, holding a sailboat among a half-dozen other identical sailboats… Sailboats are often metaphors for lifelong dreams… Anyone?
I’ve wondering about the beta spinning plates:
he dates 28-35 single
claims he is looking for his soulmate
makes romantic gestures
talks about wanting the house, picket fence, children
pays for everything
takes the 6+ dates to get sex
continues until sex fades, being told to live together, or found out
is doing this the same time with multiple women and always starting a new one
Jeremy, the amygdala doesn’t lie. The fact is, women are brilliant at selecting alphas just like men are brilliant at selecting beauty.
The problem is that Pedestalization has skewed the SMP so far in favor of alphas that betas are left with slim pickings. If betas strike back effectively against Pedestalization, then the skewage can be treated.
They are evolved to pick out alphas, true, but “alpha” is not the best societal value and only speaks to the portions of masculinity that satisfy reproductive-age women.
The converse is allowing teenage boys to pick their future wives. They would only pick hourglass-shaped women with big tits, completely ignoring the potential value a well-adjusted woman can contribute in her role as a wife/mother.
The problem is Pedestalization, not who is picking. If you keep Pedestalization and let parents arrange marriages, women will still cuckold betas. Pedestalization skews the SMP and the skewage causes massive societal stink; the skewage has to be treated.
You know, I found the RP about a year and a half ago. I’ve been working on applying things to my life, and for the most part things are going well. Most of the articles though are about what to avoid, what to look out for, or how to think about women when you’re in your 20’s. The difficult thing is now being aware and seeing it all around you and being married. I see the Sandberg quote, I hear it all the time from women in one form or another, and then my wife says similar shit. Like she… Read more »
Captain’s Log, my first mate has just began her fourth month of commission. Her eagerness to sail with me in the beginning shifted to a silly attempt of mutiny last week. A swift punishment of scrubbing the deck with her tongue was sufficient to reestablish order. Her motivation to tend to the ship has returned twofold! Looks like the next lunar cycle I’ll get to reward her good behavior with festivities.
You’re funny man.
@theasdgamer I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say. My original point was that women at their sexual peak are woefully naive on the value of men and masculinity. Since these women are being handed near total control over sexual selection, you can expect the inflated sense of worth in their selection process to create internal lies that must later be reinforced just to retain sanity. It’s the lie about the purity of their selection process that is destructive, from the beginning. It hurts different sexes differently depending on their relative age-SMV position, but the lie is destructive… Read more »
@Becoming the Captain of My Boat …she isn’t malicious. This is subconscious shit reinforced by all their surroundings. Hell, my own betaization was subconscious shit reinforced by my surroundings. I was at a small dinner party with sailing friends a few weeks ago. The host and hostess are a married couple in their late 50’s, early 60s. Somehow we got on the subject of one of our shipmates whose wife has just recently decided to leave him (no kids, but married, some assets). The hostess of the party almost instantly chimed in with a comment of, “Well it’s a good… Read more »
redlight: “July 24th, 2015 at 11:16 am I’ve wondering about the beta spinning plates: he dates 28-35 single claims he is looking for his soulmate makes romantic gestures talks about wanting the house, picket fence, children pays for everything takes the 6+ dates to get sex continues until sex fades, being told to live together, or found out is doing this the same time with multiple women and always starting a new one” Oh, it works and the guy can easily dip down to about 25-26 but if you have never seen a woman freak out and go total ape… Read more »
I’ve got bad news for women. Men are becoming aware. Many more each day of the Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks strategy. I’m turning 35 and there are plenty of former female class mates on Facebook with their never ending posting of men are cowards, men aren’t men anymore, blah blah blah. What is a joke is that few men comment on these children tantrums and it’s just other angry women that support her. It’s hopeless for them on ‘getting a man’. I’ve never met a NAWALT in my life, I don’t believe in them. But some women are better than… Read more »
“Jeremy July 24th, 2015 at 11:16 am I’m trying to relate the post picture to the implied meaning, finding difficulty as always. She’s standing in a pool of water, holding a sailboat among a half-dozen other identical sailboats… Sailboats are often metaphors for lifelong dreams… Anyone?” It seems to represent the “That was Then” girl. In a languid tidepool contemplating the boat she is holding now, but contemplating the other eight boats she will explore up until her Epiphany phase. When she will then realize she is alone: http://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3774/12899470435_a23bc6c852_n.jpg Google has a search photo feature. Here is a link to… Read more »
click on the second picture for the link
Can women effectively mislead a man to think that she views him as alpha? Yes. Can women convincingly fake an orgasm? Yes. Therefore men cannot escape marriage. Women can still “bad girl” themselves for a beta all the way to the aisle (and even down the aisle if necessary). Then 10 years later…kaboom!
@cheupez, agreed. However, with the rise of social media and an internet that never forgets, the ‘bad girl’, the “I used to be so crazy back in college” girl is making the deception progressively more difficult to conceal from men. I had a great one-on-one discussion with fellow Red Pill blogger Goldmund here in Reno this week, and he asked me where I thought the Red Pill and intersexual relations were heading. You’ll all see the video interview of this soon, but to sum it up, I’d say we’re going to see a greater polarization between the sexes as well… Read more »
This modern Sandbergian “shop around” idea was a long time in cultivation. I did an essay in high school about the history of feminine hygiene products. At first, it was a bit of a spoof. But, as I got into the nuts-and-bolts, the dynamics were fascinating. To give you a run-down, it happens like this: Women stuff newspapers or scraps of cloth in their underwear to catch the discharge and protect their clothing; hence the expression “on the rag”. Then, corporations come up with the tampon (or maxi-pads, whichever was first). So marketing, in the attempt to “create a need”,… Read more »
Damn, I misused “their” a gang of times. OOps. I didn’t proof-read, and it shows. Please excuse the their/there misuse.
Jeremy July 24th, 2015 at 11:55 am “Well it’s a good thing for her to get out now rather than spend 20 years in hell.” That seems to be the common “reasoning” when women defend another womens divorce. Now that you thought about it for so long, what would you like to have said? It’s not so easy I think. If there are children, you can at least argue she is a egoistic, careless bitch and bad mother not caring for the children. But without children? I’m afraid every point about loyalty or whatever would represent a position of weakness,… Read more »
>Can blue pill conditioning be so strong to the point of one not getting it with such an utterly obvious statement?
Oh Hell yes it can- and does.
>Either these women are in denial or really clueless.
They are both in denial and clueless.
per Jeremy:“They are evolved to pick out alphas, true, but “alpha” is not the best societal value and only speaks to the portions of masculinity that satisfy reproductive-age women.” Hypergamy doesn’t give a shit about “best societal value”, it only cares for the tingle through and through. It is “Id” based. With that being said, let’s be real here. The majority of men will stay in the dark and even those who find out the truth, most will still choose to belive in the lie. I’m constantly reminded of this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIoMXYBztdg “You have to understand, most of these people… Read more »
Also, there’s a segment by Conan which has many red pill truths embedded in it. Read between the lines and you’ll see what I mean. (Hint: See how the women respond to the questions he asks):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ndZnfZdZM
Granted pieces of the segment are scripted, but again, look for the subtleties. They do not lie.
@Ross Hypergamy doesn’t give a shit about “best societal value”, it only cares for the tingle through and through. It is “Id” based. Neither does the male gaze. The difference is society recognizes the potential negative impact of fully unleashing only one of those forces, it presumes the other force is only good. It used to be that women were not given free reign over choosing who they married. This was (eventually) seen as akin to slavery, and thus fell out of favor. While I can certainly appreciate the parallels, the converse where women have full control over the selection… Read more »
“…however, with the rise of social media and an internet that never forgets, the ‘bad girl’, the “I used to be so crazy back in college” girl is making the deception progressively more difficult to conceal from men…”
Anxiously waiting for the interview video…
I truly hope the net/social media saves the guys. But I have met quite a few girls who I know for a fact are riding the CC and as far as I know there is nothing on their online profiles to the effect…
@cheupez, I think you’d be surprised by what you’ll find now and in the future in that regard.
It doesn’t even need to be a digital trail on Instagram or Tinder, sometimes it’s an old VCR tape or a photo album. Many a Beta will casually ignore the trail of Hypergamy a woman leaves around for him to find. It’s yet one more shit test to determine if he Gets It.
Thanks for the response to my last comment in the previous posts. I’ll continue it as the subject remains mostly the same and usually new posts supplants discussions of old posts. I recognize that the solution is alpha up and inspire the AF. I’ll continue to push myself and grow. Just that there is a fine line “Build a Better Beta” and “Alpha Up” taking to self-improvement and building towards 35. Rollo have emphasized that Alpha is a mental state rather than a demographic, but most examples (or all the ones I can think right now) in the manosphere are… Read more »
@Ross
“If everyone else is ‘woo-ing’, I might… you know.”
Classic.
Lemmings.
It’s fundamentally how DHV works, and boy, does it work.
@Rhas Al Ghul I have to say, I’m stunned how many men in their 30s will marry a woman with someone else’s kid. I used to feel sorry for them, at this point I see them as part of the problem with society. I’ve actually had a good friend that was roped in to his miserable marriage by an “accidental” pregnancy (the psycho bitch got his child after they broke up but continued the booty calls and used it for all it was worth) shame me recently for saying “Fuck that” when he suggested I settle down with a single… Read more »
OT: [sort of] here’s a taste of bigotry, racism and hatred for those of you here who might be interested : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-dr-john-c-dorhauer/an-open-letter-to-white-m_b_7857790.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 ~ An Open Letter to White Men in America Dear White Men, You are persons of privilege. You didn’t earn it. More than likely aren’t yet prepared to either admit to it or lose it. This letter, written by one of you, is offered to invite you on a journey of insight, honesty, hard truth and just living. Privilege can be hard to see, mostly because of what doesn’t happen to us when we have it. One of… Read more »
@ Sun Wukong I have a good friend who used to suggest I really needed to settle for a single mom. I finally had to ask why he hated me so much. Afterall in what way is being told to play the BetaBux for a used scratch and dent family, whilst giving up my own genetic legacy not an insult? I also asked what’s in it for me. Apparently I’m an asshole. Now when that sort thing is alluded to I simply say that although I will buy used cars I refuse to buy a used family. I like to… Read more »
In the simplest terms to understand and drive the point home: • Female to male: Well, I did let him do those things to me, but I realize now I didn’t like it. So, *we’re* not going to do that. • Male to female: Well, I did buy a house with her, but it was a huge mistake and hurt my credit. So, I’m not going to buy one with you. It’s the same. If she’s not going to give you her sexual best because her sexual best was during the experimental phase, then why should he give you his… Read more »
Apologies in the post above for flip-flopping between second and third person in examples.
“Over time” This is what unifies the pretty little lie with the Big Lie. Sandberg included this notion because it is essential. Without the benefit of Time, the duplicitous AF/BB strategy would be laid far too bare, and the cultural agents would not be able to groom the men into willing recipients of their place as BB. It is rather insidious. She is encouraged to take time, during which women produce a preponderance of cumulative evidence of her AF strategy, and during which men are held in check by the unrelenting expectation of surplus productivity, the increasing disparity of sexual… Read more »
Time, as in, women should not marry young, they should take time to explore, build a career, etc. etc. is championed by the parents, teachers, counselors, coaches, clergy, and even grandmothers of these young women. The FI fully endorses this of course but this period of Time would not exist – nor would her ungoverned license for sexual exploration, if not for the direct investment of those closest to her. They are all complicit in creating the problem, but it is only the men who are expected to absorb the damage on the back-end. In the same way a mom… Read more »
Knowing the truth and loving the truth are often two different things.
It’s kinda sad to realise how badly our society is being destroyed just so these sluts can ride the CC to their wall and then bleed dry the poor Betas who they use for the sandbergian giant stand-in.
From reading Daniel Amneus I’d say it is becoming imperative rein in the cunts lest the West becomes run-down and pauperized like Africa. Because that is exactly what the ultimate consequences of rampant FI, feminism, hypergamy, AF-BB and all that shit will be.
There are prettty little lies, big lies, and then the foundation lie: That a woman is capable of making a commitment as an affirmative choice. They aren’t they will commit only defensively. There is no opportunistic commitment as that would forgo all future opportunities. The AF/BB strategy is distasteful, and duplicitous only because the foundation lie that after having found herself a woman will commit to a last final choice. The FI having eliminated such things as personal agency and responsibility instead exalts victimhood, and never ending opportunities for empowerment where durable choices never need to made and everything is… Read more »
“due to her Alpha conversion rate of zero” the best women snag their alphas. the alpha gets her best sex while she’s young and then drops her when she hits the wall and starts again with another young one. young second, third, fourth trophy wives are much beloved in our society. everybody knows the game and people love winners. if betas could just stop wanting to be loved af/bb would disappear. that need for love is what keeps them imprisoned. the notion of romantic love from a woman to a man is a recent thing. no band society man gave… Read more »
the new 30 something
Her: I’m ready to settle down
Him: Done with the Carousel? I’m just getting started. In a decade I might be looking for someone your age now, but probably younger
Carousel copyright Rodgers/Hammerstein
I did not know anything about alpha/beta much less AF/BB or RP before I landed on this blog a month or so ago. I guess I am lucky I had a grandfather who was a natural alpha, and have a father who is a natural alpha…”No give a fuck for a wailing woman. Just fuck her…” was/is the general outlook for those two men. I guess it rubbed off onto me too ( a bit). I thought the reason why I fucked so many women was because the girls somehow just liked to fuck me, just…. Now I see may… Read more »
@All
I’m going to give this post a bit more time to breath before I post these videos, but if you want to see my conversations with Goldmund, he’s got them up here now:
http://t.co/1g1vVy228Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG06rIlSa4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBtzABBHiKE
@h2Blow
AGREED with all except the prostitutes thing. Then again, I haven’t really had those problems so maybe you’re right.
I think I’ve said this before: I don’t understand what some redpillians call the “anger phase”. Why would I be angry about learning something? I sure didn’t get “enough” attention in my early twenties and saw it changing with my changing attitude. But I don’t regret anything I did, really. I didn’t waste time (I finished my degree etc.) and I’ve not been “hurt” from not fucking the hottest girl I knew. I see the rise of all of this (from PUA to social dynamics analysis) like a self-help trend that’s becoming possible due to anonymity that men with questions… Read more »
The Anger Phase, doesn’t come from “learning something”, it comes from realizing the time you thought you were investing for yourself was part of a plan you had very little influence in:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/11/06/anger-management/
I still love how Sandberg calls the Beta male “sexy”. A straight up lie pandering to the belief that he will indeed receive her sexual best because the Epiphany Phase occurs not due to necessity, but due to an actual shift in what generates tingles.She’s actually claiming the biology of sexual arousal changes at 30-35. Every married early-mid 30s woman who has ever acted ready to jump my bones without hesitation has never done so at the mention of a comfortable lifestyle, my ability to design failure resistant network architectures, or my ability to code apps for her smartphone. It’s… Read more »
@Captain of my Boat “Iron Rule of Tomassi #7 It is always time and effort better spent developing new, fresh, prospective women than it will ever be in attempting to reconstruct a failed relationship. Never root through the trash once the garbage has been dragged to the curb. You get messy, your neighbors see you do it, and what you thought was worth digging for is never as valuable as you thought it was.” It’s really hard to re-establish frame. Just ask SJF. Hell, ask me; I tried to revive an old one-itis for the longest time. No dice. In… Read more »
Very nice post Rollo! I like where your reasoning is going. And I suppose I am coming late to the party. Now I realize that dualistic strategy is not dependent on a woman’s age. She does this throughout her dating lifetime. Above you were discussing Facebook and girls who were riding the C Carousel not posting the fact on social media. I have seen this too somewhat. What I usually see is a party girl posting tons of pictures with random dudes in the pictures. The girl posts pics of her living it up with random guys and obviously enjoying… Read more »
@Matt re: ‘Beware the changing “type”’
I had a girl tell me that she found it weird being attracted to me. “I used to think I needed someone who was into fitness and sports, like me.” Used to date college athletes, seemingly exclusively.
I’m no slouch physically, but that’s really not my persona. I see this sort of thing as being a massive red flag nowadays. Sure, you could be the exception to her pattern of attraction. But you probably aren’t. And she’ll learn that once the novelty wears off.
I should add, I could see why she went for that type. She didn’t understand any sort of intellegent conversation, it did nothing for her. But her circuits would just fry if I took my shirt off around her. She was very tactile/visual in her attraction.
Sun Wukong – “Explains every single time I’ve been dumped even when they said they wanted to remain committed. They simply can’t do it if I don’t perform.”
Which is why your performance should be designed to satisfy you exclusively, if anyone else is impressed it’s a bonus. I don’t know about you but the only people I try to impress are those who write me checks in exchange for my performance…or they pay cash. Everyone else I could give a shit, but don’t.
@Jeremy “So yes, the lie that women tell themselves, that their sexual selection process is divine and unquestionable is a tremendously destructive lie in both cases. The fastest way to reverse the tide that is now flooding in is to magically convince every 18 year old girl in the developed world that she’s a f-ing moron w.r.t. picking a man (and she is).” It can be fun talking to girls about men they are and aren’t attracted to. It’s a conversation sure to be rife with magical thinking, just-so stories, and hypercaffeinated rationalizations. She just knows, don’t you understand? Lol.… Read more »
@BP You know it’s kind of funny but I often find in a lot of my work that the less I care about impressing my employer and more about simply doing good work, the better I do. Don’t get me wrong; in social situations (department meet ups for sushi and such), I always mind the 48 Laws as best as I can. But in the day to day doing of the work, treating excellent work as my mission seems to deliver better results than treating impressing my employer as the mission. Granted, that might change if I ever move in… Read more »
Forge the Sky – “I see this sort of thing as being a massive red flag nowadays. Sure, you could be the exception to her pattern of attraction.” It’s a checkered flag, Start Your Engines! This is the game and you’re the betafux. If she thinks you’re the bux well that’s not your problem. Such an admission is sort of get out of responsibility free card in that you’re only responsibility is to your happiness. And forget about that leave ’em better than you found ’em bullshit. If she’s changing lanes you’re not responsible for a repair and restoration. She… Read more »
Interesting story that somewhat coincides with this post: I was 19 years old in the Navy stationed in Guam back in 1997. When off duty, I would frequent this strip club where I met this stripper chick from Mississippi. She was one of those southern belle chicks who knew she could monetize her looks, and she was 22 years old at the time. She was the most beautiful woman I’ve ever personally seen in my life. I fell in love with her, she did not with me. Every act of intimacy I had with her, I paid for it. But… Read more »
BP,
Teaching a girl how to have an orgasm is my contribution to “leaving them better”. I’m not suggesting that someone put a chick through college or anything grand, just, don’t warp them further, at least.
I know “leave them better” sounds white-knight-ish, but, it’s simply being positive, and not cultivating resentment. It’s as simple as respecting them as a human. That’s not too much to afford someone who’s mouth is on your cock, is it?
Teach them to fish, suck a dick, change their own oil, whatever, just don’t give them cause to cry “rape”.
@Forge the Sky …but beware the impeding rationalization when taking this line of reasoning – “If only women were logical and sensible they would pick men well. That wasn’t my argument specifically. Actually asking someone to be logical and sensible about what their biology tells them is impossible, or else why would we have beta males at all? The argument I have is based on the notion that humans are supposed to be proceeding from a state of ignorance to a state of wisdom throughout their lives. Lies impede this process. Growing through your reproductive phase is supposed to be… Read more »
@ Vulpine I get what you’re saying. However, I want to expand on my point because it needs some clarification. 1. Those here who are plugged in, unplugging, recently unplugged, swallowing the redpill, choking on it, etc. aren’t the guys that have a hard time with idea of leaving ’em better than they found ’em. They, like me, are the current and former nice guy AFCs who pollute the world with white knights, and incels. We’ve lived our lives around some fucked up variation of that idea. We are the ones who worry about doing harm as though we have… Read more »
@Becoming the Captain of My Boat
Hey there! Welcome! Get yourself over to /r/MarriedRedPill on Reddit.
And read every single post on this blog. It generally takes about one month for every year of marriage to fully apply TRP in your marriage.
If anybody knows who Kirill Was Here or aka The Slut Whisper, if think about a scraggily looking guy like this hooks up a lot https://twitter.com/KirillWasHere/status/624643564648198144 and then you combine that with Rollo’s quote of one his pour girls saying she bang a guy on first night, but not if he’s relationship material. The guys who frequent that blog about lack of married sex life, it would dawn on some of them that they’re in the midst of a plan. Or the end of a plan might be better. The lack of sex in married life isn’t from lack of… Read more »
@Kyfho “It generally takes about one month for every year of marriage to fully apply TRP in your marriage.” Heheh, that is pretty observant of you. I just finished 25 months of studying the red pill after 25 years of marriage. And I just took the training wheels off myself. I think I’m no longer a child playing with dynamite. (Still going to be careful walking through the mine field, though) @Becoming the Captain of My Boat Illimitable Man’s MAXIM #24 states: “If a woman is with a submissive man trying to become dominant, she will utterly oppose him. She… Read more »
my advice to women is date all of them And my advice to men is fuck only women who are under 25 and do it till you are too damn old to move. Women are easily replaced and enjoyable – and never marry, when you want to settle down, move to an Asian country, and take up a couple 18 yo’s (preferably younger) and bang them till they give you an offspring, make sure it’s yours, then keep the mothers around, and enjoy younger ones till you are too damned old to walk. American women are to f*ck when they… Read more »
“In prior generations, the ones before the sexual revolution, the Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies could be balanced in both sexes mutually compromising those strategies to ensure the complementary benefit of both men and women. Those days are no more. ” I buried my Dad two days ago. It was unexpected. I was in MIchigan with one of my daughters at orientation. The first text was Dad’s surgery went well. Six hours later the text was “Dad’s dead”. He wasn’t technically dead, just brain dead. They were waiting for me to finalize his life. I couldn’t leave until the orientation… Read more »
Vulpine, here is the guy that changed marketing completely.
https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Edward+Bernays
“Red Pill awareness and contingent strategies on men’s part are the only recourse to this ‘plan’.”
And recourse we must….
@Matt:
“He may have lacked a hard body, but he did have a loving heart and a steady job and, most importantly, the urge to merge. They’re planning a wedding.”
Wow! That just sounds like, “He will never leave you, he will never have balls to stand up against you, he kisses the floor you walk on, he’s grateful you have given him a chance, you validate him, he…is safe!”
And all red pill men said….
http://img.memecdn.com/game-over_o_740655.jpg
RE: The interview. I’m not sure we need a new Rollo to come along. The FI is being broken down to a sub-atomic level (right here, right now) so I guess it’s just a case of passing on the information to all young men. Unlike Morpheus, who didn’t want to shatter everyone’s delusion, I’d be happy to see TRP get blasted with extreme prejudice into every man’s brain this instant. Sure, any collapse in the West will see the FI get shoved straight back into the box… but barring that, the best you can do is evangelize. PS. Rollo you… Read more »
Rollo Tomassi is a good looking guy. LMS theory strikes again.
@Atticus
Heartfelt condolences. I cant imagine how it must sting to lose a dad like that one.
Further on your comment; I could say that rather than NAWALT, I am tempted to think that your dad was one among a few men who knew how to keep a woman in check. I think that once one grasps the idea that women are not just trying to be mean for doing what they do but just that they have all evolved to survive in an environment of extreme anxiety…it is then easier to accept the concept of AWALT.
@Atticus
So sorry, friend. That’s some hard pain.
@Atticus: My condolences. I lost my dad before I can remember. Remember that your pain is the price to be paid for all the years you knew him and hang in there.
@Grimdarke: “The FI is being broken down to a sub-atomic level (right here, right now). . .”
Which is far less useful than really nailing the basics in practice.
There are a lot of athletes who never reach their full potential because they get bogged down in analyzing the minutia of physiology that, in the real world, only exist below the noise threshold.
I would have to say if young men are looking for a start then start here: Driver’s Iron Rule # 1 – If she has kids then ‘Next’ her. To me, this has to be the starting point for swinging things back to a more balanced or compromising position (for both). Women having kids (and multiple kids out of wedlock with multiple partners without blinking an eye) is the white elephant in the room that everyone should be talking about. The level of shame that used to go along with these actions needs to return and, again, it’s going to… Read more »
And even if they are open-minded, there is an overwhelming bias to blame the “sexually unsuccessful” men themselves for being sexually unsuccessful, and a bias in favor of this because after all “it’s a free market, right?”. I mean even *we* do this in the manosphere routinely, don’t we? The problem is that stating the issue as it really is comes close to saying men are victims of the system, in some way, which is a claim that rubs pretty much everyone the wrong way, including most of us. Most of us say that men just need to learn the… Read more »
höllenhund: Why would PUA’s care about the guys who aren’t doing pickup? I’d even say less people of their mindset is to their advantage. I’m also not sure how you define stability of society.
This is now, .
The headline explained it.
Before Hypergamy explained/exposed Men always were warned marriage/ commitment is not for everyone.
with all the Redpill and women’s Hypergamy being FIANALLY “decoded” = this is now.
Ps
Sun,
How do you say/lecture this phrase in good English ?
Do not get married (this is now).
Do get married (that was then).
I wonder what would Shakespeare say?.
” . . . the surplus wealth that can only be created by *active* men – i.e. men that are either married or are on a straight path towards marriage.” See my comment 5 or 6 articles ago where I mentioned that I was considering going ghost for a couple of years in order to get some shit done without women fucking it all up or burning it to the ground. Men are the dreamers and creators of wealth. Women are the dream killers and the destroyers of wealth. “Active” is virtually the definition of men in society. All that… Read more »
“I wonder what would Shakespeare say?”
taming of the shrews
@Just Saying, Ha ha. Love it. What if men chased their mating strategy as ruthlessly as women currently are? How about unabashed indulgence of exactly what you (as a man) want? That’s what women are currently doing. Flip it. The third world’s 16-23 year olds would find themselves in some nice, new pretty dresses with their rent taken care of–all over the place, in the tens of millions. It’s happening in some places. Pattaya is the exact inverse of Bakersfield right now. It’s amazing how, even in the manosphere, there is a knee-jerk cringe factor (and a touch of shaming)… Read more »
http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Sheryl+Sandberg/Business+Leaders+Meet+Sun+Valley+Conference/ntJdyZOrYs-
Attagirl. She seems to have bounced back quite well. Good on her! What a tragedy to lose a spouse. What a resilient woman!
“Attagirl. She seems to have bounced back quite well. Good on her! What a tragedy to lose a spouse. What a resilient woman!”
A war bride. Current net worth $1.19 billion.
Atticus,
My condolences.
My father passed away without suffering earlier this year. I don’t know if your father had more to give this world and his family before he left. My father died when he had accomplished his mission and had not much more to give to himself or others. He had accomplished his mission in life. I had solace in an essay by Free Northerner on his blog.
http://freenortherner.com/2012/09/06/die-when-youre-done/
Why would PUA’s care about the guys who aren’t doing pickup? Because they need validation from customers, disciples and customers in order to thrive. All those seminars, boot camps, DVDs, e-books and guides are to be sold for profit, otherwise PUAs run out of business. All those blogs and websites need supportive readers and commenters, otherwise PUAs can’t make money running online ads. There needs to be ever bigger masses of young men willing to emulate PUAs, otherwise PUAs will have to face the reality that social trends aren’t favoring their ideology, that they are preaching to an ever smaller… Read more »
customers, disciples and *supporters*
D’Leo and Thurax have another satisfied customer
^Above was re: Sandberg’s miraculous recovery
If men are becoming passive it is a symptom, not the disease. Indeed. Generally speaking, people aren’t comfortable with the notion that young men have to be incentivized to behave in the way society wants them to behave. That’s why we’re hearing increasingly shrill complaints from all corners about “Peter Pans”, manboys, bro culture, pajama boys, porn addicts etc. – it provides a distraction from the disease you mentioned. The way society wants men to behave is to produce more than they consume, plain and simple. It’s something only they are willing and able to do. Medicare, Medicaid, TANF, bailouts… Read more »
I’m also not sure how you define stability of society.
It’s the opposite of what they have in, say, Libya, Syria, Yemen or South Sudan. Hopefully that explains it.
I think PUAs greatest threat is…..an Anglo nation passport. A passport kills their whole deal. It’s CRAZY that guys are still trying to decode the psyches of stenchy cunted, high-T, 180 pound a-holes from Portland or Duluth or wherever when China, Brazil, Cuba, Romania are still on the map. CRAZY. CRAZY. As CRAZY as SJW movements…YES, THAT CRAZY. As crazy as a slutwalk redhead. Trying to ‘game’ some pig from Boise while Indonesia exists is as crazy as a slutwalk cutter.
@ Atticus
Sincere condolences!
“Trying to ‘game’ some pig from Boise while Indonesia exists is as crazy as a slutwalk cutter.”
I’m not entirely convinced that travelling from Boise to Indonesia to find some bint to pedestalize is exactly the hight of sanity either.
@ kfg
Concur, probably better/easier/cheaper to try in Coeur d’Alene, or even better Moscow.
@kfg, 1:46pm
Thank you for talking sense.
@Kyfho Myoba @SJF Thanks for the advice guys. Terminating my marriage is not my first priority right now. I know that I wasn’t a complete beta submissive man when she met and married me, I know there’s instincts in there. We do have sex anywhere from once to 3 times a week, and I do make a lot of the decisions. It’s not that I’m trying to take over the reigns from her, it’s that I want to go from “co-captaining” / equal partner paradigm to me as the Captain. I’m lifting, I started my own business, she’s asking me… Read more »
@Captain,
http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/09/relationship-game-a-primer/
thanks Rollo, great article!
@Jeremy “That wasn’t my argument specifically. Actually asking someone to be logical and sensible about what their biology tells them is impossible, or else why would we have beta males at all? The argument I have is based on the notion that humans are supposed to be proceeding from a state of ignorance to a state of wisdom throughout their lives. Lies impede this process. Growing through your reproductive phase is supposed to be enlightening and educational. But that can only happen in a “free market” sexual marketplace where your actions have immediate consequences, where sexual price-discovery is fairly baked… Read more »
@Signor Farfalla I think PUAs greatest threat is…..an Anglo nation passport. A passport kills their whole deal. It’s CRAZY that guys are still trying to decode the psyches of stenchy cunted, high-T, 180 pound a-holes from Portland or Duluth or wherever when China, Brazil, Cuba, Romania are still on the map. As a guy who has had… roughly half of his LTRs that were foreign nationals who came to the US, I can safely say that the reason I like Rollo’s assessment is that it applies anywhere you go. You put any woman from any part of the world in… Read more »
@Badpainter “1. Those here who are plugged in, unplugging, recently unplugged, swallowing the redpill, choking on it, etc. aren’t the guys that have a hard time with idea of leaving ’em better than they found ’em. They, like me, are the current and former nice guy AFCs who pollute the world with white knights, and incels. We’ve lived our lives around some fucked up variation of that idea. We are the ones who worry about doing harm as though we have taken some sort of Hippocratic oath[….] Which means most of us are going to risk leaving them worse than… Read more »