I’m in Vegas for most of this month (July is promo month for what I do), but I did make time for a Tom Torero interview last week, on the 4th of July no less.
Tom’s a good guy, and was (or still is) a partner of Nick Krauser’s crew. We talked for an hour, but I could’ve gone longer with him. We discussed a lot in that time. Have a listen on youtube or you can download the interview from iTunes (#27).
Let me know what you think here or you can comment on the youtube link too.
Thanks Tom.
You must watch this to get the ideology of the people we are up against on the cultural and political fronts. Feminist hipster comic does a routine on her encounter with an MRA. It’s not even funny…
[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3hkJp5sG4k&w=560&h=315%5D
[…] By Rollo Tomassi […]
Ewww, she’s ugly! She looks like a three, but her body is at least a 5.
@ scribbleberg Yeah, who doesn’t love a good male suicide joke. Funny stuff. I posted this in the comments section before she disabled them: “Hey Maggie S., can you do a bit where you make fun of homeless men? That would be funny, yeah? Isn’t the suffering and weakness of others hilarious? Maybe you could make a wacky joke or two about their “neckbeards” and how “creepy” they are. That would be clever, original, and inspired in the way we’ve come to expect from feminists. I’ll bet homeless men are just mad because they can’t get laid. What about the… Read more »
This is a ‘must-listen’ interview.
Bonus:
You get a timeline of Rollo Tomassi’s ‘Rock Star’ twenties (and beyond).
Rollo….there are some things i don’t understand about frame.
When you are talking about frame…especially IN a marriage…what kind of frame do you mean?
– To play from a dominant standpoint
– to dread her and game her (endlessly)
– to never fully commit, i.e always having plates (also in a marriage)
I don’t plan to marry, but i think that i haven’t fully understood what frame really means!!
Thank u
P.S: Are there “Frame” differents between business/privat communications?
It is really interesting that Torrero interviewed Rollo. Torrero made some negative comments about Rollo’s first book, Rational Male. Watch his youtube video where he talks about books on PUA. He not so subtly steers his viewers away from Rollo’s perspective citing an “us vs them” mentality prevalent in the manosphere. It is also important to note that Torrero faked one of his infield pickup videos. Links are here: http://daygame.com/cafe/index.php?topic=6196.0 http://krauserpua.com/2014/12/12/tom-torero-fakes-an-infield-kiss-close/ I’m not saying Torrero is a bad guy and I don’t think he’s a huckster on the level of RSD. Just realize who the man is: a purple pill… Read more »
Here is the fraudulent video in all of its glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjekSIYoqo8
Make your own judgement about the man. All of us have made mistakes. But you should be cognizant of all the facts about the man.
@scribblerg
That’s one of those videos that’s hard to watch since you’re rather embarrassed for the subject. She was among her own people and could barely get a laugh out of them.
One of those loud mouth attention whores who tries to push her voice deeper, louder, and more grating just in case she might accidentally attract a non-androgynous male through a minute display of femininity. Never liked those types even when I was Blue Pill. Especially when they thought their meandering, punchlineless stories made them funny.
Indeed, she’s a talentless little shrew, isn’t she? And not nearly as clever as she believes herself to be, like so many half-smart women. One thinks that IB and Kate-the-Kunt would operate on a similar intellectual level.
Let’s do the next damn round table already! Sorry to be so pushy, hope you are making progress irl.
Great interview. Tom is a solid genuine guy and far from purple pill.
@Rollo – Loved this interview. Tom brings a lot to the table and knows how to interview and frame an engaging narrative. Very well done and thanks for it!
@scribblerg Let’s do the next damn round table already! Sorry to be so pushy, hope you are making progress irl. Funny you should mention that. I just got my mic and audio gear set back up after work today. I’ve got a few modifications to make to things on the server (including the need to get an actual web site up) and some additional ideas to add. Let’s shoot for Sunday the 19th at 16:00 Central. Planning on this to be the last “test” of ideas before I go for a real regular release and try to put the spit… Read more »
I’m in!
@Mycroft
Ewww, she’s ugly! She looks like a three, but her body is at least a 5.
What really kills it for me is her posture. Slouch more, sweetheart. We can’t quite picture you as Quasimodo yet.
Really cool talk. Hearing voices rather than seeing text somehow made the message more personal. Nothing new in essence but hearing it said out loud was kinda nice.
” her body is at least a 5.” It’s the footballer’s legs that are misleading you. The rest is like an Area 51 alien.
Soccer, that is. Sign her up to USWNT, they’ll, er, love her low center of gravity.
@scribblerg “Maggie” – what she blabs could seem threatening until you realize the obvious about her. She is at best a 3. With that attitude, she will never attract or enjoy any alpha although she yearns for one as all women do. She is psychologically compensating for extreme lack of self confidence and disappointment in herself for sexual dissatisfaction. Her body language and tone screams her sense of self worthlessness. The slumped shoulders, concave torso, elbows held close, etc. blatantly reveal her horrible insecurity and self loathing. Her voice is a droning morose monotone of negativity. She displays no feminine… Read more »
It’s really stunning what a mess she is. yet I also thinks she utterly unconscious of it in a real way. I bet she thinks that everyone is a fucked up and self-loathing as she is. I lived in the East Village in NYC for a while and her type is not unfamiliar to me. The pose is everything, an all consuming self-absorption that values the aesthetic above all else. Listen to how she presents herself – she knows she’s being superficial. It’s almost like she’s daring us to tell her to shut up and sit down. Only place I… Read more »
HB 4 WNB
We don’t all have harems of “pour girls”…
But we all have standards, heh
“Tom is a solid genuine guy and far from purple pill.”
Bear in mind we are all capable of appearing so, and most people are chameleons to some extent. We tend to mirror each other to gain trust and develop comradery. However some people take it too far, especially when they are selling something or want to fit in and aren’t self confident they will fit in.
@Tom (not Torrero) Who the hell cares? He did a creditable job of interviewing Rollo and we got to listen to Rollo’s thoughts. @ ScribblerG–I’m sensing a more positive tone to your comments. I like it. Also like the way you adopted and will continue to enforce Law #10. With all this red pill awareness I’m learning and better game I am employing myself, one of the most remarkable things I realize is how much of this I had already done naturally in my past history, rather than how I was clueless (I wasn’t). I nexted my sister-in-law(my brother’s wife)… Read more »
Via Negativa is brilliant in its simplicity. Recall the Papuan tribal custom of “don’t sleep under a dead tree” – it’s no abstract, it’s not probabalistic and is the kind of info that is passed down by elders and via apprenticeshis versus distilled, conceptual learning. It’s the kind of knowledge acquired up close and personal, often as a result of having skin in the game. You never really understand risk until you hold it in the palm of your wallet, if you know what I mean. Until it’s your house, your business, your equity. But business is so far away… Read more »
Should have typed………So much of what men and woman do in today’s society is wrong and should be avoided (including paying attention to mainstream media).
Gonna go with Rollo. HB4 just off looks alone. Add in the grating personality and the fact that she thinks she’s “funny” and she plunges to a -1. Would pay for someone to take her elsewhere so I could drink in peace.
I thought I was being generous
An interesting consequence of the RP for me is a broadening of my palette wrt women and being creative. Sure, she’s awful – as is I’d rather run my balls across a cheese grater , got it. But without the attitude? A real smile instead of a sneer? She does have a tight body and I do like the slutty pixie thing A LOT, that’s an aesthetic thing. Funny, the orientation is so different. I know I’m older and get IOIs a lot less and since I’m operating off them I’m entirely opportunistic. Remember, all I’m doing is short term… Read more »
I wish I could post pics of the girls I’m working with in Vegas this weekend. You work enough liquor promos and product launches your standards will get pretty high.
A girl like the “comedian” in that video is invisible to me.
My ex was faaaaar hotter with a better body and an amazing attitude when we first met. First date she wound up jumping up with a huge grin tossing her arms around my neck and kissing me. That was a level of enthusiasm I’d never experienced from a woman, much less one that cute AND on a first date. Still feel like she was HB7. I don’t really feel like my standards are that high either. I just assess myself in the 7-8 range and felt like I was reasonable to expect the same out of the women I date.… Read more »
@rollo good interview yet again. You’d mentioned the movie Inside Out early up in the interview. I saw it recently with my daughter. What about it did you find anti red pill?
I’m very bad at grading. I seem to have strange tastes, sometimes veering off into “joli laide”, if Mr Perky is any guide. Guys can call “HB 98 stunner”, I see “sturdy peasant girl, old before her time”. Coarse features (anywhere, even ankles) really put me off for some reason, which is a damned shame. Hey ho, my loss. But agree about the comedienne. HB3? Lower? Entirely because I would get recurring nightmares about having humped Rebecca Watson. Don’t do that, guys. She’s one of those people, isn’t she? I don’t think I could unclench my fists if she was… Read more »
Gad Saad is an evolutionary behavioral scientist at the John Molson School of Business, Concordia University, Montreal, who is known for applying evolutionary psychology to marketing and consumer behaviour.
He’s doing a live show with Sargon of Akkad here right now [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lQNBpFQ3N0&w=560&h=315%5D
He’s fantastic at explaining evo psych and sex and reinforces all we discuss here. I think he’s a great resource for us all. Here’s his channel, he’s got tons of relevant vids – and he’s a serious academic and scientist. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLH7qUqM0PLieCVaHA7RegA/videos
Enjoy.
I follow Gaad on Twitter. Joe Rogan has him on the show often.
Feminists are wounded little girls, who do not want to heal themselves,glorify and celebrate their victimhood,and at the same time projecting their shadow onto the world.
Which comes across in reality as hatred of men and male sexuality and ultimately the hatred of their own primal sexual animal and true heart consciuouness .
Instead they feel righteous to exist in the ‘entitled F.I.’ . read: excrement of their ivory tower princess bloated ego tyranny. Healing their own self ,becoming whole…umm…
Sun brings up a point we’ve discussed before: I’ve known a couple women who objectively might hve been an HB5, but their personalities were so pleasant and bubbly that their rank went up at least one point on that alone. They were so fun to be around that, at least for a time, you didn’t care they weren’t so buxom, say, though for an LTR you might look more critically if that matters to you. Speaking of which – this is on topic both here and with the prior post – I reread a book from a bookstore beat up… Read more »
I think a lot of guys have this impression that really beautiful women necessarily have bitchy attitudes. It might be true in a sense because a hot girl who knows she’s hot will be accustomed to being deferred to by men, but I’ve found (in my line of work) this isn’t always the case. I kind of feel bad for Beta guys whose experience of women is limited by their mindset or their feminized programming. Not saying anyone here, but most guy’s experience with women is colored by how a feminine social order expects them to defer or “respect” and… Read more »
A few thoughts on beautiful women. As a qual let’s just say i married the homecoming/prom queen and dated/fucked many HB8 and better in my day. And in case my commentary about the sluttie pixie has confused anyone here, she’s an HB4 for me as well and I would never give her the time of day. I was only trying to say she actually had a tight body and that the slutty pixie thing works for me. – Beautiful women are not approached nearly as much as most men think. The exceptions are the real clubwhores/bar flies who are out… Read more »
Ah yes. Checked again. It’s there, for $0.01. Go git it, you hosers.
Misspelled her name: Cathi Hanauer. Whoopsie.
@Fred Sun brings up a point we’ve discussed before: I’ve known a couple women who objectively might hve been an HB5, but their personalities were so pleasant and bubbly that their rank went up at least one point on that alone. They were so fun to be around that, at least for a time, you didn’t care they weren’t so buxom, say, though for an LTR you might look more critically if that matters to you. Yeah, that’s one of the two major components of girl game: charm. The first thing a girl needs to attract a man’s attention and… Read more »
http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/29/hb10/
As a side note, I always thought this image was a fairly decent common scale to use:
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/pictorialscale.jpg
I forgot to say thanks for your interview Rollo,and your comments… which are always very relevant.
What I liked the most was your frame,the way you draw someone into your reality, and create the comfort,excitment and understanding of your own life .nice.
Interesting scale @sun
I do pretty well with the 6-7 crowd judging by that scale. In my part of the country (lets just say this isn’t LA or Miami), a true honest to god 8 or 9 is a RARE thing however.
Why the actual fuck did I leave the west coast????
Using tomassi’s “SE” scaling, I married an HB8 with SE2
Bleh
@sun, you are an 11 and don’t let them tell you your anything less.
Do you think the SUN out there in the sky thinks its a 7 or 8 ?
Every Alpha male is the best,there is no competition.
Field Report: Barcelona, 1995 at the annual biggest conference for derivatives trading. A week long event, right on the Med. Stayed at Hotel Arts, a Ritz Carlton property – my company IPOed that week – we partied like rockstars. She: 28 HB9, sweet, demure, smart marketing person. Blonde, blue eyed, great body (that she did not show off), she was also well educated and not stupid. She was well read and cultured and very well respected in our professional world. Me: Trying to be an 8 in designer (Canali) suits, 5’8″, ten lbs overweight, making rain for the company, selling… Read more »
Anyone care to go into what “comfort testing” is?
Sun, I’d like to join in Sunday. My Reserve duty ends at 1600. Could you refresh the login details?
Sure, ScribblerG, I talked about comfort test in the last comments section in Adaptations III. They are pretty important in LTR’s. I have seen problems in real life when one doesn’t know the difference between a shit test (value shit test) and a comfort test. (Like friends wives walking away with half their substantial wealth). I put a couple links before to Athol Kay who described it best (I don’t fault you for not clicking on them, but if you prefer a Chateau Heartiste link, here you go: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/value-shit-tests-vs-comfort-shit-tests/ In the above link, it refers to short term relationships. Athold… Read more »
Take Athol with a lot of salt he’s only ever experienced one woman in his life:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/05/29/artificial-joy/
Here’s the genius quote from that article: ” The real danger inherent in Game and Red Pill awareness is a man using it to fulfill his former blue pill idealisms – that does require a constant effort.” Taking care of someone who you love is not Beta. Taking care of your wife in the hope she swallows next time sje gives you a blowjob is beta. While it may surprise some of you here given my hardass persona, I actually quite enjoy taking care of the people I love, including lovers. Doing that from an Alpha POV is not hard… Read more »
scribblerg,
Great Field Report! You do sound better btw. I’ve always appreciated how you employ game, and being in a roughly similar situation but slightly (a good bit) older, am beginning to develop a measure of self-confidence thanks to the crew here and in no small measure, your comments.
Fucking fantastic! Us old guys have to keep each other’s spirits up. Creating a positive vision for what I call “the third act of my life” is coming along, hence why i’m sounding better. Confidence is a funny thing, I tend to look at it as being more self-loving, self-focused. As a man, I was always other focused in a weird way that I never saw. Even when being arrogant and cocky.
Speaking of women’s humor, what about men’s humor? I was watching TV last night with my wife and I laughed out loud when perusing the Google News. It was a story about how some woman found a dead coyote just barely off a suburban street with each of it’s four feet cut off. The woman took a picture and the newspaper posted it. The woman was mortified “that there is a creepy man creep out there who did this and I am afraid. Some of the comments were to the same effect from women, but some men had some humorous… Read more »
Good interview, Rollo. It’s all basic stuff but that’s the way to reach new people.
Enjoyed your discussion of frame at the end. Some of this stuff still feels like ‘faking it’ at times for me, but I think I’m getting there.
Sun, I’ll be on the roundtable if I’m at all able!
“a dead coyote just barely off a suburban street with each of it’s four feet cut off”
Is there a market for coyote feet? I mean like foxtails for bike aerials, or instead of fuzzy dice? Keychains?
Otherwise I’d be thinking “uh oh, looks like the vibrancy is encroaching. Which culture? Aztecs? Voodoo? East Asian delicacy? Some grotesque African murder/witch-cult?”
Therefore creepy, because humans. And not in a good way.
Surely a reasonable person would take the hide and the canines, dump the rest? I know I do.
@Tam
I personally like to mount the heads on a pike. The neighbors tend to complain a bit, but they stay away out of fear. Mission accomplished.
@Rollo I understand where you are going with that statement and that link. Excellent key points from you in that essay: “I disagree with his assertion here that red pill men need their occasional blue pill escapisms, but really only in how he’s applying terms.” “My main objection is conflating to blue pill ignorance as some sort of escape that a Man might artificially enjoy from time to time in order to balance the harsh, and admittedly cruel truths his new awareness brings to him.” “….lack the insight at this point to see that you can create hope in a… Read more »
In terms of married man game. I can pretty much take anything from PUA, to young single man game to STR game and convert it into useful advice for LTR. My original interest in Game was after reading Neil Strauss’ book and being fascinated by the psychology. I wanted to use it but it sat in the back of my mind for a decade before I started searching for a way to avoid my collision with destiny and gain back desire sex from my wife. What made all the difference to me (I re-iterate) was finding an In-Real-Life mentor for… Read more »
Agree with sffrelic and add: Athol’s first MMSL book has genuine red pill gold in it, filtered for married men, recapitulating concisely the lessons taught by CH, Robert Glover and others. It, plus this site, were lights in the tunnel for me when I started out. After he had to tone the message down to make his bread and butter from it, then yeah. It is possible not to get caught in the semantic trap of “red pill with blue pill garnish” by noting that one can do tenderness/romantic gestures in an LTR you are keen to maintain without supplicating… Read more »
@Tam the Bam
July 10th, 2015 at 4:52 pm
That’s what’s so fucking funny to me. Who knows how it got there and who cares? It’s a dead coyote in a suburban area.
And now the article in the online news just disappeared from the internet since yesterday.
There is no Beta with a side of Alpha:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/10/02/up-the-alpha/
Well said Fred: “It is possible not to get caught in the semantic trap of “red pill with blue pill garnish” by noting that one can do tenderness/romantic gestures in an LTR you are keen to maintain without supplicating or breaking frame.” Resonates with me. I’m not very good at tenderness/romantic what with my Asperger’s-like traits (I’m not there, I merely have traits–un-empathetic and high functioning– no where near the diagnosis of Aspy–I tested negative on an internet site) but I’m a damn good provision-er. That goes right up there with my favorite saying from Forge the Sky: “This stuff… Read more »
Okay, I’m gonna dump a bunch of stuff here. Some might find it informative. I’m hoping others might help me understand some of it. Yes, I’m gonna talk about my old one-itis again. Shoot me now. Shit keeps happening. So some of you might remember I had a bit of beta backsliding some weeks/months back when she started re-connecting with me after she had a nasty breakup. I observed then how emotionally-charged contact with her seemed to throw me back towards one-itis and beta tendencies. Since I can’t avoid contact with her totally, It’s been a real head game trying… Read more »
In no particular order: “Hard for me to turn her away as a client without seeming like a total ass lol.” – Not true, and your crucial mistake in this entire episode. You can simply say you’d rather not treat her for personal reasons and not explain yourself any further. She can find someone else or not or fucking burst into flames – you do not owe her this. I wonder if you get how you are being very dishonest with yourself in this way? You ache to see her in these sessions, yes? You look forward to them and… Read more »
I have a lot of respect for Athol. Speaking with him directly he is very straightforward, knowledgeable, and humorous.
TRM and MMSL (in it’s early form) were my first exposures to red pill anything.
However, there are certain truths that mmsl gloss’ over in the effort to make the marriage “work”
You can’t “negotiate desire” is the biggest one.
@sjfrellc “That goes right up there with my favorite saying from Forge the Sky…” Haha, then I go and bleed all over the comment below ya. Anyways, I still stand by that. To inflect on it, I can actually feel a shift – sometimes even day to day or hour to hour depending on my circumstances – between ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ mindsets. And RP behaviours and game just fall naturally into place when I’m in an ‘alpha’ mindset. My current theory is that these are behavioral subroutines that get activated or de-activated based upon a subconscious assessment of your status… Read more »
Athol’s doctrine :
K-Y jelly would sure make her wet.
@ Rollo There is no Beta with a side of Alpha I’m with you on that one Rollo. I hope you are not suggesting that I’m implying the opposite, but that you are merely emphasizing and clarifying for your readers. Thanks to you I have been recently successful in employing the following awareness and game with a measure of success. It is remarkable what one can do if they follow your script version of connecting the dots : In that link you state: “It is a far better proposition to impress a woman with an organic Alpha dominance – Alpha… Read more »
@Rollo re: alpha with a side of beta Think the comment I just wrote resonates with what you’re saying. I’m trying to figure out what sorts of subconscious evaluations might be behind ‘alpha’ and ‘beta,’ but I’d assert that there’s a distinct and unmistakable difference in mindset involved. The two don’t get mixed together, any more than you can feel anxious and confident at the same time. It’s possible to do compassionate or kind things from an Alpha mindset. Such actions would strike the alpha as either being a natural thing to do in his world, beneficial to himself or… Read more »
@Rollo, about the perception of bitchy attributed to the high ranking women: I find it to be something else. Back when I lived in a ski resort we called it the pretty girl sneer. It’s most likely a response to the sheer number of hits they get on a daily basis. And those hits don’t always come from the most savory of men. I can recall an evening spent in a bar in Reno with an obvious HB8+ who was getting direct hits from the lowest (think wife-beater clad) mouth-breathers in the place. And…it was not that kind of place.… Read more »
@Forge the Sky
“I suppose one thing I’d ask y’all – is it possible that she really wasn’t all that attracted to me, in spite of a truly feral sexual response at times toward me? ”
I think it is simple. Ties into what info you got from Vulpine and YaReally.
I will be uncharacteristically brief:
You didn’t fuck her good enough. And the feral sexual responses were when she was ovulating.
Drop me a line if you’re free!
(With the “Stupid WordPress” portion removed from my email; some sort of login issue.)
Will do
Once again, riffing on Fred’s comment, I see the beta, comfort, provisioning as a game tactic. Coming from an alpha frame. A tactic when necessary. Fred: “It is possible not to get caught in the semantic trap of “red pill with blue pill garnish” by noting that one can do tenderness/romantic gestures in an LTR you are keen to maintain without supplicating or breaking frame.” And one of Rollo’s sublinks in essays from above links to CH’s beta strategy as game. Once again, I’m not advocating for beta, but making something happen with what you got to work with. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/07/31/when-beta-male-strategies-can-work/… Read more »
As I wrote in Vulnerability, that Beta flash of humanness is only briefly effective, much less appreciated, by a woman when a man expresses it from the position of a well established dominant Alpha frame. It’s should come off as you being human while she thinks of you as more than human. As I’ve stated many times, nothing is more self-satisfying than for a woman to think she’s figured a man out with her (mythical) feminine intuition. Her imagining you being contextually sensitive is one of those instances. Athol’s premise is one stemming from weakness. If you don’t spoon and… Read more »
“Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option.”
Mark Twain
“Never allow someone to be your priority while allowing yourself to be their option.”
The being alpha for six months thing results in “try hard”, Instead of the frame of mind that is actually needed for those men.
Which means that ultimately the six months of asshole is just another negotiation for sex or her love.
“You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.”
Mark Twain
The beta comfort is an image that sticks in a woman’s brian that can not be easily deleted.
The beta comfort erase 70% of the alpha mind set.
The beta comfort is a weakness that a woman want to feel but not see.
The beta comfort destroy (whatever alpha you built ) in 5 minutes.
Is it worth it? NO.
If she needs comfort, give her a cat.
The beta comfort is a shit test in disguise.
It proves to her that you can be ” sensitive”/weak.
Last thought (I promise)
The one who needs the comfort is :
THE BETA MAN.
Women need comfort? It’s like saying the devil need comfort!
“There are several good protections against temptations, but the surest is cowardice.”
Mark Twain
I’m happy to have provoked some thought. I realize I had too much pressure of speech about the beta tactic. No lie, Rollo’s interjections realigned my thoughts on the issue today and made me think I over-spoke.
In real life, though, I’m keeping good frame, practicing good game and reaping the benefits. Hopefully what I comment on is not too contextual.
What works for me is not as important as universal truths that are more important.
You can’t be Beta sensitive 6 days a week and expect her to think you’re Alpha on a Saturday night.
I’m just catching up on all this and in some ways, this is the most productive RP exchange ever for me. Why? Cuz being alpha doesn’t mean being an asshole, being alpha (a horrible term for male dominance) is about setting the frame. Example: Cooking dinner. If I’m cooking dinner because it’s “fair” and my share of the work, that’s Beta. If I’m cooking dinner because I love to cook and I do my own recipe and don’t give a fuck that my GF is super picky about every single aspect of food and just make what love – that’s… Read more »
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5pfMSKw8Top4oEvFNCsorWCPSIqziPGiU8TN1wzxq7Zd-zSOr
Athol’s alpha man
@sjfrellc “I think it is simple. Ties into what info you got from Vulpine and YaReally. I will be uncharacteristically brief: You didn’t fuck her good enough. And the feral sexual responses were when she was ovulating.” Ultimately, yes. That nails it. (heh) I’m just astonished at how this can still feel like a punch in the gut. I just went and walked for a few hours to hash it out with myself. Basically, she thought I had potential. When we first were hanging out I did my own thing and blew her mind with my reality and exploits, her… Read more »
So, the next time I kill a ‘yote I’ll take the carcass and leave the feet – just so the wiminfolk don’t get all weirded out.
@Forge the Sky It doesn’t matter how analytical you think you’re being here. Explaining to her why it didn’t work out is too overt no matter how you try to finagle your comment into some rationalization of gaming her. I’ve do this myself, and when I do it’s essentially turning analysis of what I did wrong and trying to learn from it into an attempt to game her and get her back. There is a reason why you shouldn’t try to game girls you failed with from pre RP: it reliquinshes any frame you’ve built up before you even realize… Read more »
I think you make a great point. The relationship already has a frame – and it’s hers in Forge’s case. I think he can change that via emotional dynamics, as I stated above as I’ve realized that even the women who I believed harmed me the most were easily affected by me actions and behavior. When I consider my own marriage – without shame, finally – I get that the times when I was dominant were the times when we were happiest. I also refused to see my ex cutting me off from sex as message to get in better… Read more »
So, the next time I kill a ‘yote I’ll take the carcass and leave the feet – just so the wiminfolk don’t get all weirded out.
https://youtu.be/-bG9q1JqjS4
Nah, it’s okay people, it’s just regular old Capitalism.
Nothing to see here. Keychains, real paws, $15-$18 a corner, Etsy.
ASPCA should be investigating possible reports of an inconsiderately driven orange ’69 Dodge Charger in the area.
I’ve named my dick “Mr. Nice Guy” because the chicas are always wanting a nice guy.
He is very sensitive to their needs.
Athol’s MAP was a great entry for me. But his message board sucked ballz and got me seriously offtrack for awhile with it’s conflicting “alpha with a side of beta.” Every…Single…Time I went the sensitive route I had a setback. Every time I upped the alpha I had a breakthrough. That’s when I abandoned him altogether and started hanging around in healthier neighborhoods (TRM, Heartiste). Here’s the crazy contrast that demonstrates how this really works: Years ago when we were first married I bought my wife a brand new car for Christmas one year. Wrapped the fucking thing up in… Read more »
Dude, when does your Audio Book finally drop ? Please let us know.
Turns out that coyote skinning is a lot harder if you leave the feet on. Here’s a vid of a guy skinning a coyote and in the beginning he makes clear that he’s going to skin it with the claws on but that it takes quite a bit more effort to do so. Cutting the feet off makes for easier skinning. You can see how much of the time spent doing this skinning focuses on the feet/claws.
[youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4WPSAnM3p8&w=560&h=315%5D
In a long article on how to remove coyote pelts.
“Start by cutting off all four legs right above the second joint, using a real sharp hatchet. Make sure you lay the legs on a sturdy log or steady, rock-solid surface of some type. By doing this you won’t dull your hatchet. The lower part of the leg is discarded because there isn’t enough fur on it to be of any value.”
http://www.foremostcoyotehunting.com/2011/02/how-to-remove-coyote-pelt-and-prepare.html
@Thoroughbred Okay, I am not lying to you when I tell you that I just had my 25th wedding anniversary in May and my only present to my wife was a bag of skittles and a card. Man of man. What you can learn in the manosphere. @Forge I spent too many decades not fucking my wife well enough. Those days have ended. I’m glad you are learning this now before you need it in the future. @ScribblerG I agree this is one of the best exchange of ideas I have experienced in a while. What you describe about change/weight… Read more »
I think a man transforms from beta to alpha only when he truly realizes women are always his conquest never his salvation.
@Not Born This Morning – Awesome quote.
@scribblerg – “Being an asshole is a cheap and easy way to impose your frame on others…” Awesome quote as well. ‘Tis part of the reason why I don’t hang out much at MMSL anymore. So many guys there routinely confused alpha with asshole, failing to realize a difference between alpha and just constantly throwing your weight around because you can’t think of any other way to get what you want. That site is just so lame now.
BreakinnBenjaminn “It doesn’t matter how analytical you think you’re being here. Explaining to her why it didn’t work out is too overt no matter how you try to finagle your comment into some rationalization of gaming her. I’ve do this myself, and when I do it’s essentially turning analysis of what I did wrong and trying to learn from it into an attempt to game her and get her back.” Excellent. Yeah, it’s amazing how you can work hard to convince yourself that some sort of rational explanation is ‘game,’ “oh, I’ll be showing decisiveness and escalation by saying X.”… Read more »
@Scribblerg Thanks a ton for your comment man. Not too harsh at all, it’s the sort of real talk I’m looking for. I’ve been really surprised at how easily shit came crashing down for me with just a bit of contact with this girl, and so part of the reason I’m posting is to try and illustrate that struggle for people. And the other part is trying to get good advice and perspectives. I realize, of course, that I need to break the beta cycle here if I’m gonna move onward and upward. And if I ever end up fucking… Read more »
I just briefly reviewed MMSL…looks like it’s dominated by females. Maybe Athol will be changing his name to “Catlyn” Kay soon ?
Oh they seem so enrapturing and unattainable at first and then a miserable quandary of puzzles in the process. Then you learn to fuck them. Then you get tired of them. Then you move on and they become so, so, so pitiful.
2 years ago, I was visiting my parents waaayyy out in a very rural part of Virginia.
One evening while I was chilling on the deck, a good sized coyote came prancing through the backyard. I went inside and grabbed the Bushmaster. 2 shots later, dead coyote ( road runner optional ).
My uncle then told me that the county gave 75 bucks for the coyote’s head. The county was getting overrun by coyotes, and bobcats were starting to become an issue also.
I left the decapitating to my uncle.
@TheLastCoyote
Nice feet you got there. Would be shame if something were to… happen to them.
@sjfrellc: (and Rollo!) On the discussion of Athol Kay: Nobody mentioned /r/marriedredpill so let me say we have adopted Athol Kay and his works are very important but they are not the final word. Further, his blog is now female dominated and a mess. We have a lot of analysis of Alpha/Beta on /r/marriedredpill and lots of Shit Tests and Comfort Tests as well- and we do it with an overwhelmingly male, Red Pill perspective. At least that is the goal. We have definitely found that you cannot go straight Alpha a-hole and there is a balance- but some of… Read more »
TLDR: AK’s approach is Beta with a side of Alpha.
Married Red Pill’s approach is Alpha with a side of Beta…….
Beta is a character defect that should be corrected as soon as humanly possible. In the long term, Betatude , as I have come to understand it,is dangerous and detrimental to progress and internal happiness. I’m not a fan of the Purple Pill. One doesn’t need to be an insufferably arrogant asshole to be the polar opposite of Beta. I’d actually argue that Beta is more assholish than ” Alpha “. Women, mostly, with all of their practically unstable mental states, desire decisiveness and consistency, regardless of how much the FI keeps modifying maleness. Most females can identify ” maleness… Read more »
@Bluepillprofessor– thanks for the explanation and distinctions. I tried the married red pill reddit before but I got bored. I’m ready to always read and learn moving forward, but I kind of felt I was up a further ways on the learning curve (first impression, may be wrong). I definitely can’t read Kay’s blog. But I do want to thank you for a recommendation on your book list: your words: “The Sex God Method- This book will freaking change your life!!” This is something Forge the SKY needs to read. Not about technique but about mindset. I don’t know the… Read more »
@Rollo In your first two podcasts with Christian and this one by Torero you really spoke well and the information you got across had a lot of content. Just like a good cigar or red wine, the experience can be different on different occasions depending on the situation the listener is in, the mood, the ambiance. The first podcast you did with Christian, I put it in a music playlist (because it was downloadable last fall) and I listened to it a few times. I picked up a different value related bit of information each time. This current on with… Read more »
Thanks sjf.
I will admit though I do about 3 or 4 talk radio shows repping two of my liquor brands every year in three markets.
It’s not my first rodeo, but I will say I get the jitters before I talk about TRM for the first couple of minutes. I don’t do that with my brands. Probably because I already know what to address every time and I think I’m more personally invested in TRM.
” .. the county gave 75 bucks for the coyote’s head.” plus 4 feet at $15+ a pop, less ironmongery (wholesale), and Etsy’s no doubt savage fees … Yep. Sounds like a free-market vermin solution to me, in that it at least pays for the shells, and maybe the gas, and the lamp’s obviously rechargeable. Are the dried balls marketable? Maybe to feminist holdouts, as earrings? Or lip-studs? Very attractive, suits you, madam, suits you .. there’s another $20 mate, ker-ching. And the cock-bone (it’s a mustelid/canid thang, trust me). “Native” pressure-blade obsidian/flint/chert/beer-bottle knappers use them, I’m advised. That, or… Read more »
In fact, what the heck is Sun W’s Attila-the-Hun style picket fence actually worth? More than the house? Round there with a binbag tomorrow. You ain’t seen me, right?
@Rollo – On that Beta flash of humanness & Athol….spot on bruv!!!
If other’s would like to refer to me as SJF in the future go for it. It’s simpler. I went out to help a friend spray a couple of acres of RR corn with roundup today. The experience of logistics in a rural area and getting my spray rig up and driving down the rural roads in a John Deere 5420, 83 hp tractor in perfect weather was liberating. Not a single glitch occurred–a rare thing out there. Having a farm and engaging in adventures out there is the best way for me to become anti-fragile, ever. Although I never… Read more »
@Vulpine – Found my wingman tonight and planted the flag in a bar/restaurant in town. We are back out again on Wed. He’s got good energy and value but no skill – but is very open as he’s had his ass kicked already. We weaved in out of several situations and I demonstrated some push pull with two very hot girls and got exactly the reaction I predicted – he’s in. My skills are sharp and I’m ready to go. We are going to campaign together. I have to tell you, I walked into this new venue and knew exactly… Read more »
@ScribblerG and @Forge the Sky Good for you Scribbler. One thing that I want to happen is that I go out to Forge the Sky’s territory once every three months and be his wingman. I’d be good and the last thing I would do is cock-block him. And he comes out to my wildlife habitat farm and sees how little Mother Nature cares about one single individual but she has the anti-fragility like none other. So the individual has to have mastery at adapting. My mentor and I light up the sparsely populated cigar lounge every so often, both of… Read more »
Great podcast…the best so far. Red pill is “Theory”/awakening game is the technique and application. I also liked the discussion or references to hypergamy documented in media and ads… Guys are “afraid” to be assertive in this SJW/feminist culture leading to white knighting as a sexual strategy. Women using this “divide and conquer” strategy of “he’s so much nicer than you”… My blind spot in game is knowing when to shut up…when not to respond. I’ve become overly focused on “winning” that I fail to see that walking away, that going silent are more effective than a witty rejoinder. Also,… Read more »
@SJF :- coyotes like a crap version of a dingo, right?
Yes, a bit more feral and a bit less able to be domesticated. More pack like.