The Dangers of the Red Pill

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I came across an interesting thread on Roosh’s forum recently that linked very well with some experiences I’ve been having over the course of the last few weeks. Eldelwiess was the OP here and he just hints upon a greater whole of the danger of the Red Pill:

It’s a very tough choice to make, yet inevitable. You HAVE to.

But it’s a difficult pill to swallow.

The side effects are really nasty.

Ever since I did it, my life changed to the better, but alas, to the bitter too.

The thing is I now SEE. I’m not blind anymore. But I don’t LIKE what I see.

Because what I see is hypocrisy, degeneration, mediocrity, ignorance and mental slavery.

When you see the world in red pill eyes, you see the ugly reality.
It makes you stop enjoying many things in life.
It makes you find the majority of the people boring, uninteresting and frankly stupid. You pity them.
It makes the bulk of the women unworthy of your time.
It makes you can’t stand your colleagues.
It makes many jokes not funny anymore.
It makes you question everything.
It makes everyone untrustworthy, even your physicians.

It makes you…a better person ! And I love it.

But I understand why the majority of the people ignore the red pill and decide to remain in blue pill slavery and mediocrity. It’s easier. And you get to still enjoy life as you knew it, keep the friends who do the exact same thing, sympathize with your colleagues who complain about long working hours, date the same women who feel entitled to everything, watch the same TV programs which numb your mind and make you lose IQ points, vote for the same politicians who control the strings that make you move…

It’s easier.

Eldelwiess is just coming around to acknowledging The Bitter Taste of the Red Pillbut the inherent danger he’s hinting at here goes a little further beyond the perception of a Red Pill aware man being “bitter”, and into the social dynamics that center on creating and interpreting him being such. The danger in this context is not just a bitter perception, but rather one of personal, professional and familial ostracization for expressing Red Pill truths.

I touched on these liabilities in The Secret of the Red Pill, but this was more from the perspective of women having their Game explained to them and what Red Pill aware men might expect for having confronted them with it. The impact of that may only be the perception of you being a presumptuous asshole by an individual woman, however, there are broader implications and consequences for “living” the Red Pill in a larger social sense.

Wutang from Roosh’s forum:

I actually had a falling out with a group of casual acquaintances when my association with RP was revealed among the group so there is a “danger” with it affecting your social bonds. I put danger in quotes because you really should see it as more of an act of filtering out who you associate with rather then any sort of great harm; the exception being if these are people who you work with or who can put a wrench in you advancing in your goals. If the only real harm is losing a few acquaintances or even friends then you should ask yourself if these are really the sort of people you want to associate with. Do you want to surround yourself with people that are apparently so mentally weak that mere words and difference of opinion can drive them into bouts of wailing and sobbing?

While we promote self-sufficiency and being beholden to no other man or system in our particular subculture we need to keep remembering that no man is an island. The people you associate with are going to determine where you are heading. Surround yourself with people who possess beliefs that lead to perpetual victimhood and you’ll become a victim yourself. Associate with people that can’t stand up for anything except a spineless tolerance that refuses to make any sort of value judgements and make the tough choice of saying ‘A is simply better then B when it comes to accomplishing C” whether A is an idea, an action, or even a type of person and you will soon lose your own spine; being afraid to fight for anything for the fear that it’ll make someone somewhere unhappy.

That said this was still a lesson in knowing when is the right time to drop RP knowledge. Naturally I’m a very open and sharing person when it comes to my beliefs and opinions but after this incident I’ve learned to be a lot more careful. In this case I didn’t really lose much since I was already growing to dislike quite a few of the people in the group but it definitely was a warning – what if this has happened with people who I actually respected and who were in positions and had connections that could either help or hinder me in my personal goals? Be careful out there guys.

I quoted this today because I find myself having to temper and measure my Red Pill evangelism with people I know personally or interact with professionally. I say evangelism because, in spite of any measured explanation, this is what it comes off as to most uninitiated Blue Pill plugins. There’s a degree of diplomatic tact you have to practice the more Red Pill aware a man becomes.

Sometimes that’s tough, especially when you’ve gone through personal changes and development that’s benefitted your life as a result. Red Pill awareness may have even saved a man’s life, so just shutting up about it, or having a hesitancy to help out a fellow man in need of that awareness becomes a real conflict.

In June I’ll have been back in Nevada for two years and in that time I’ve reacquainted myself with old friends I haven’t seen since I left for Florida almost ten years ago. All of them I find in similar (if not identical) states in which I left them. Some of these men are long time close personal friends I’d kept in touch with over the years, but with the exception of maybe one out of a dozen, all are still foundering in the same Beta mindset, lifestyle and behaviors they had ten years ago. All of them still complain of the same Beta-relationship issues they had with their wives (some now ex-wives) they confided in me then.

The Rule

NEO: I can’t go back, can I?

MORPHEUS: No. But if you could, would you really want to?  I feel that I owe you an apology. There is a rule that we do not free a mind once it reaches a certain age. It is dangerous. They have trouble letting go. Their mind turns against them. I’ve seen it happen. I’m sorry. I broke the rule because I had to.

You’ll have to forgive my using the Matrix metaphor, but every time I’m tempted to awaken a man I think may desperately need the truth of Red Pill awareness I’m reminded of this exchange. I understand why this would be a rule. Granted, I’ve broken it myself many times; usually when I think a man is a danger to himself, but I do so with the knowing that I’ll need to invest myself personally in his conditions and that’s where that cautious hesitation comes from.

There are friends I have who I know would outright reject Red Pill truths, but more so their lives would be turned upside down by having to confront those truths. I have a very good friend who’s remarried and living a new life with his second wife, who is still clinging to all of the internalized Beta illusions and behaviors that contributed to his first brutal divorce.

I could make him aware of all the factors that led up to this very painful episode in his life. I could run down the list of how the woman he married early in life followed the time line I put forth in Preventive Medicine to the letter, why his daughters are both following her footsteps and why his son will grow into being a martyred Beta White Knight like himself.

I could also explain all the factors that led to his new wife’s need for him (who by his Beta measures he’s thrilled with), but I ask myself, why destroy that bliss for him? He’s not now, nor likely will be, ready to have any of that explained. My concern is that he’s too far along in life to bear the burden of that truth. He’d have trouble letting go. His mind would turn against him.

If he were to reach that point of desperation again I’d certainly be compelled to reach out to him and offer the Red Pill to him, but as I’ve said in the past, unplugging men from the Matrix is a lot like triage – save the ones you can, read last rites to the dying. But this guy’s not dying and giving him the medicine might be worse than his conditions.

Law 10 – Infection: avoid the unhappy and unlucky.

Though your compassionate, charitable side may compel you to associate with the sad and downtrodden, if power attainment is your goal then avoid such people. Their bad vibe and energy-draining demeanor are too often infectious. You run a very serious risk of falling into line with their misery. Instead spend your time with people who are happy and successful. You can die from someone else’s misery – emotional states are as infectious as disease.

When I quote Law 10 it’s usually in response to a guy dealing with troubled, toxic women dragging them down into the quicksand of their own making. The Savior Schema usually warrants this truth; it’s a want in a belief that a woman will appreciate and reciprocate for a man ready to be the solution to her problems. However, the same can apply for men who attempt to free the minds of other men.

In both volumes of The Rational Male I make a specific effort to address that Rollo Tomassi doesn’t want to be a savior – I want men to be their own saviors because, although I may present Red Pill truths, it’s ultimately a man who needs to be the director of his own life. If the true measure of power is the degree of control a man has over his own life, relying on a savior, relying on how well one conforms to his plan, is really a limit on that power.

As I state in the books, I’m not interested in Tomassi clones, this is why I’m humbled by every man’s story I’m emailed or commented on about how they changed their lives with what I put forth in my writing.

From the Roosh forum again:

The only ‘danger’ the red pill presents is one’s own inability to let go of previous beliefs when confronted with truth. The red pill makes you look in the mirror and come to terms with your own ego and the lies it convinced you of.

“You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.”

Our ego is what we’re ultimately protecting. Most people don’t have an identity beyond their ego, that’s why most of the population can’t handle the red pill. Unless you were born with red pill parents, being raised blue pill and transitioning to red (altering your very reality) will always be traumatic on some level.

I’m of the opinion that trauma and crisis are necessary components to arriving at a point where a man is open to Red Pill awareness. I realize how distorted that sounds. It should be that a rational laying out of Red Pill truths should be self-evident, but it’s important to contrast that hope with the lifetime of feminine-primary conditioning men receive since their infancy.

There will always be people who will never accept even to most base and evident Red Pill fundamental truths. I completely understand Wutang’s premise for wanting to create our own manospherean tribes. We’ve had a good bit of commentary regarding Jack Donovan’s (Way of Men) call for organizing in like-minded collectives of men, and while I agree and find that laudable, I also know that isolation is dangerous.

Even by Law 10 it makes sense to surround oneself with the “happy and successful”; that’s a pretty deductive truth. However, I can’t ignore that many of the most condition-blinded people are also the most happy. I know multi-millionaires who are among the most abject Betas with regard to their intersexual relations.

So I guess what I’m saying is that there needs to be a level of discernment and discretion in this regard. I reach over half a million viewers / readers every month on TRM without advertising, without proselytizing, and men seem to find my works more and more. When the student is ready the teacher will appear – these men are seeking out the Red Pill and I suspect more will as Open Hypergamy and the machinations of the Feminine Imperative become unignorable.

You can’t teach those unwilling to learn – maybe it’s less about being convincing and more about being ready to help when the opportunities arise? That’s not me being magnanimous, that’s me being practical.

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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I’m planning to put a website up at themantable.net tonight (assuming work doesn’t get in the way tonight by taking too long) and host them there for now. I’ll also eventually put up a link at the web site to listen during live recording for those that don’t want to bother with Teamspeak. Things might be a bit slow to come together with my move coming up and all the prep I’m doing in association with that.

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@Insanity – Don’t let the door hit you in the ass. This is a male space and I’ve fucking had it with your bitchy shit. I have no need to be polite to you and you most certainly are a blazing cunt of epic proportions. Your entire blog is like a celebration of cunthood. in fact, and an extreme example of self-indulgent and self-aggrandizing pseudo-intellectual drivel. Really. Get it, you aren’t that smart and your insights aren’t clever or interesting. And I’m not abusing you – I’m insulting you. I have no power over you, hence it can’t be abuse.… Read more »

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Dostoevsky – The Gambler is another great read, I actually think they story flows the best of any I’ve read of his. @Sun – Again, sorry about last night. I do appreciate your efforts but I have to tell you right now that my next tryst with the D (the lifecoaching client, he he) is scheduled for this coming Sunday, and I’m already double booked so please, let’s not do it this Sunday either. I’m taking her shopping at Victoria’s Secret first – her and her natural D cups. I’m not even a breast guy, but wow, when they are… Read more »

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Really looking forward to listening in. I can’t do Sundays, so it’s the next best thing to being there.

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You turn it all the way up to 11. Well put. This definitely isn’t a welcoming haven for FI party line dumbassery.

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But no need to expunge the trolls. They’re excellent practice. Some are speed bags–and others are the heavy bag.

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@Glenn

Not planning to record more than once a month, so it won’t be any time soon. I’ve got a lot to do between now and June 20 to make moving nice and easy. Fortunately my decision to embrace a more minimalist philosophy about possessions in my life is paying dividends; packing has been much easier this time.

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@ Vulpine – I was nodding along with you till you took aim at working out at the gym for us city folk. “Your cherished gym membership? You pay money to move metal weights up and down, up and down, up and down, like so many dick strokes, day after day, so that your “health improves”.” All that I need to do a proper workout would simply not fit in my place. I also simply could not afford all the equipment. And of course your health improves – how can it not? Show me evidence that going to the gym… Read more »

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So overall, I can’t for the life of me see how the gym can be self-defeating.

Do not feed the trolls.

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“Waste of energy? Hardly. It’s putting my energy to good use. If not, it would store as fat and fat is not good for your health.”

Exercising to burn energy so that it doesn’t go to fat makes about as much sense as driving your car to burn more gas (with a caveat for pre oil injection two stroke SAABs).

It is far faster, easier and cheaper to spend no effort not putting the energy in your mouth in the first place (converting it to muscle and bone is another story).

Disclaimer of Bias: I spent three hours doing “cardio” today.

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I don’t think Vilpine is a troll, but he is at the extreme end of the MGTOW spectrum and anything less somehow less RP aware.

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Lift. Period. Lift whenever you can. As much as you can. As long as you can. In 20 years, you’ll be glad you did. Cardio is good also, but you must lift. Idgaf if you can only lift 25 lbs, lift dat shit!!!! It feels good. It feels even better when you’re in your 50’s like yours truly. I always did manual labor work for the first 25 years of my life. When I got all techy, with desks and chairs and 10-12 hours a day sitting and thinking… the gym became as important as the bathroom. And no, everyone… Read more »

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It’s still your motherfuckin’ set!

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@ Blaximus and Glenn Thanks a lot guys. I appreciate the feedback. @ stuttie re: working out I’m leaving my manual labor job for the time being to pursue a trade. Working out is great. What makes me nervous is NEAT, and I’m concerned about leaving my job because while it has been unreasonably stressful, it does provide me with the bulk of my physical activity. Moving around rugs and furniture and heavy boxes all day long has done a lot of good for me, and I’m not sure what I can do to replace that when I leave. Collecting… Read more »

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One more for the road.

CT cracks me up.

[youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaX0KBhPcG4?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D

You could lift now, so that when you’re old, you can talk shit to young muthafuckas… lol…

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@softek, I was just about to log off for the night, then I saw your comment and I had to get back in the game for a minute. Listen, A Chair will KILL you. I fell into the trap of sitting down for hours and hours on end, and all I have to show for it is a herniated disc. Do what you can, even if it’s just standing up every 15 minutes, stretching a bit or pacing back and forth a bit. We will see soon what all of this cubicle madness has wrought. Sitting for hours, weeks, months,… Read more »

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“Sitting for hours, weeks, months, years… in shitty chairs . . .”

What they do to boys in school is abuse.

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“Long before Eban was born comics hawked “How to Pick Up Girls” and Feynman had begun investigating game on a somewhat formal basis.”

– Game was invented by Black men. Even the word itself was first used by them in this context – a very, very long time ago.

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“I’d hate to say this, but a lot of times I wonder if game isn’t really just a bunch of guys who are too smart and too civilized for their own good. It’s really just about learning to act like a sociopath or a douchebag because this is what women respond to. The only reason this is what they respond to is because they’re emotionally 16 years old for the duration of their adult lives.” – You don’t have to get your sociopath-douchebag on. Just get fit and gain some confidence. At the very least don’t be a depressive drain.… Read more »

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@kfg You know your rigth @Blaximus Would love to lift with you. Getting back into it. @All Self surgery One thing I learned today about myself is that I thought I needed to change the world. The red pill must be taught no I think not. I think when you point stuff out maybe at the right time and right place. But I have found a few things about me today that I haven’t gotten used to. Saying No Admitting my own ways aren’t working. My ego investment is massive and I still think I am denying the fact That… Read more »

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“Most women do NOT employ a dual mating strategy – AF/BB.”

“This from the man who introduced herself by bemoaning the rash of Beta men marrying “Baby-Mommas” in society.”

– Right. But the baby daddies aren’t alpha, remember? About 15% of the women in my current immediate social circle are baby mamas with beta providers. These particular cases irk me because of the assumptions these women make. They have an entitled attitude. Like the universe owes them these men.

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Vulpine is not a troll.

Correct.

I’ve been encouraged by what I’ve read from Vulpine on the over at SS.

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I realize we’ve probably mostly abandoned thread at this point, but I’d just like to tip the hat to Vulpine here. That was never gonna sit well with people who live an urban lifestyle, and see themselves as winning a physical, mental, and willful battle by keeping their health in the gym. But it’s true enough. We have to compromise a lot of what makes us human in order to live a high-civilization, high-status, or high-money lifestyle. I wouldn’t like to make a platonic ideal out of this – clearly, working out in a gym is better than letting yourself… Read more »

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@Vulpine
Movnat.com
Check it out or google it
It’s what I do.

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Thanks for bringing that up.

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@sjfrellic – thanks for the Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky recommendations. I’ve read Anna Karenina. Have not read The Gambler. I have some Tolstoy on my to-read list (What is art?), but might add and read/reread AK and the Gambler. It’s interesting to reread some books…from a red pill perspective. Anyway, have a great week and take care all!!

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“Fuck treadmills.”

So far as I can tell their only real function is to fuck up your natural stride while stealing your money.

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May 18th, 2015 at 12:33 am

Well to do audio editing the right way you need an Ampex, and a cutting block. And a very sharp razor blade. And patches. I used to do it that way back in ’62, ’63. We have better ways now. Just look at the waves.

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Softek May 17th, 2015 at 7:19 pm Yes. I have heard of microdosing. I knew a guy (high brain power engineer) who did 50 mikes every day. Needless to say we were very close for him to let me in on his secret. I had about 300 bad to very bad trips. And I was a little healthier after each one. When I started having good trips a lot I lost interest. But he work was done. I had access to chemists and once took enough to keep me tripped out for 3 days. That was when I was running… Read more »

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May 17th, 2015 at 7:19 pm

I was never afraid. Anger was my issue. If fear is yours, I would definitely suggest an experienced guide. Do not go alone.

Tobacco is very prevalent among schizophrenics. You might be a mild case. Look into it.

There is no such thing as addiction. People in chronic pain chronically take pain relievers. When the pain goes so does the taking.

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Oh yeah. The 3 day trip? Probably in the neighborhood of a tenth of a gram. A guy had a gram of powder and was giving people specs. I had him fill the edge of the knife blade. When he would ask, “Enough?” I would say, “More.” Snorted the whole thing. But I was very experienced at that point.

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Divided Line May 18th, 2015 at 3:19 pm But there is real wisdom in some of that New Age stuff. If you can filter it. I like Ouspensky 1. Do not identify 2. Do not consider 3. Do not tell lies 4. Do not express negative emotions Gurdjieff and Aleister Crowley. Crowley was quite a trickster. He will head you off in a bad direction if you are so inclined. Or a good direction if you are inclined. I used the banishing ritual he suggests to help me banish my anger. It worked. And yes. Most of the people who… Read more »

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Lone Survivor May 18th, 2015 at 8:13 am Game is about getting laid. Other than rape, female consent is required. You get female consent by being a dominant male and mostly non-compliant with female requests. Females find a certain level of indifference to them very attractive. I was TAUGHT the rudiments of Game in ’62 by my first GF. I read Feynman “Surely You Are Joking…” when it first came out. Game may be shit to you. But in my experience it works. Well I’m rather a selfish b’tard and I’m always happy to see Game drop outs and deniers.… Read more »

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May 18th, 2015 at 1:18 pm

“I am not a cunt” – (paraphrased)

That is right up there with Nixon’s “I am not a crook.”

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May 14th, 2015 at 12:05 pm

When I was part of a bad ass crew I was a team leader. So the bit about wanting to be “just part of the crew” is not strictly true for all men. There are corporals, sgts., captains, and generals.

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May 14th, 2015 at 5:27 pm

MTGOW is a gag reaction to the Red Pill, not embracement of it.

Yep.

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May 14th, 2015 at 4:27 pm

All I could think of when I saw “Fury Road” in print was “She stopped shaving down there.”

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