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I apologize in advance for dropping this now, but I felt it would benefit my college age readers at this time. Your regularly scheduled introspectives will resume shortly.
I had this clip tweeted to me this morning and it reminded me of a very old post I started on SoSuave with regard to the statistical probabilities of a breakup throughout the year. Keep in mind, these stats were from a survey 5 years ago.
I watched a TED talk the other day from David McCandless called “The beauty of data visualizations“. It was quite amazing and included lots of different datasets. One of them was about Facebook and breakups. David and his team scanned over 10 000 status-updates and set out to learn more about when people broke up.
This is what they learned:
- A big peak right before Spring Break
- Most breakups are announced on Mondays
- People like to start the summer being single
- A big peak right before Christmas
- The lowest day throughout the whole year is Christmas Day (thank God)
Back when I first published Wait For It? (it was actually based on a much older post I did on SoSuave) I took a lot of shit for suggesting women in the proper ovulatory disposition were more than open to casual sex with the right guy, in the right place, in the right time:
Iron Rule of Tomassi #3
Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.
When a woman makes you wait for sex you are not her highest priority. Sexuality is spontaneous chemical reaction between two parties, not a process of negotiation. It’s sex first, then relationship, not the other way around. A woman who wants to fuck you will find a way to fuck you. She will fly across the country, crawl under barbwire, climb in through your second story bedroom window, fuck the shit out of you and wait patiently inside your closet if your wife comes home early from work – women who want to fuck will find a way to fuck. The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable and wants a relationship first is the same girl who fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in Cancun on spring break just half an hour after meeting him.
If I have an addendum to this it would be that, in light of the growing pride women are taking in Open Hypergamy today, women in their Party Years actively schedule their “casual” indiscretions. Those mate guarding instincts you feel with your “great girlfriend” around Spring Break? They’re not for nothing. You can choose to ignore your gut, but understand those instincts get triggered for a reason.
Standard caveats apply of course – self-conscious (or not drunk enough) Quality Girlfriend® at 0:11 duly noted.
This may seem like so much red meat for my younger readership, but it does illustrate a point I made about women following the Sandberg Plan in their party years. Young man, remember this clip when your Quality Girlfriend® comes back to campus next week and says “I don’t know what happened. I’m not usually like that. I was drunk, he was cute and well,…one thing led to another.”
Remember this clip when when you’re this side of 30 and the 29 year old woman you’re dating is going through her Epiphany Phase and trying to “do the right thing” tells you, “I used to be a different person back in college” and presses you to ‘Man Up’ with an ultimatum for marriage. It may not be as damning as, I don’t know, finding an amateur porn video of her, but you’ll have a better idea of the context of the time line I detailed in Preventive Medicine.
Remember what I’ve written about proactive cuckoldry.
Remember that even if your great girlfriend / wife would never do such things, her girlfriends likely did and regaled her with all the stories about it during her own party years.
Remember this when you’re helping to pay off your wife’s student loans and the credit card debt she accrued buying the hot little thong she bought just for Spring Break.
So, plan accordingly, respond appropriately and never forget…
Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.
“These hoes ain’t loyal”
[…] By Rollo Tomassi […]
Those girls care less about ‘Mr. Right’ at Spring Break because they want ‘Mr. Right Now.” That graph is simply beautiful, it illustrates the ‘springtime’ mating patterns you see in many animal species.
Understood
So, plan accordingly, respond appropriately and never forget…
Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.
This Essay is going viral
@Sam, one can hope, heheh.
That correlates rather well to my experiences at a karaoke bar frequented by coeds, particularly in their revealing outfits when they’re again available. Two weeks before holidays is usually when they go home. Sadly, the Spring Breakers who come to FL have nothing on our regular FL girls (who all go to Panama City), so it isn’t really worth bothering with them.
@Olympia, oh I lived and did liquor promos in FL from Panama City to South Beach for more than 8 years.
I have to laugh when I get guys asking me how are they possibly able to tell when a woman is in estrus.
LOL
When I coached, I would always rely heavily on what I called “Girlfriend Season” it IS very real. As real as New Moon debauchery.
Understand the map of the terrain and win boys.
Great info! Yeah GF season, use this to your advantage fellas.
I have to laugh when I get guys asking me how are they possibly able to tell when a woman is in estrus.
Just sit by the watering hole.
Actually, if your GF insists on going to spring break somewhere with the girls, you should probably proactively dump her.
Sad to say it, but I’ll bet more than 50+% of the time, it is the right move.
I think in many cases, the most prudent approach is proactively cheating on her. That way if she cheats, it’s no big deal really. You expected it and didn’t give anything up, so assuming she wasn’t impregnated or infected with an STD, it’s no harm to foul. Basically, accepting that your gf is really just a plate. Painfully cynical, I know, but I get the feeling that most young women would prefer this shared delusion of monogamy (when it’s convenient) than either staying truly faithful or openly admitting that they don’t actually want to stay faithful. A large number of… Read more »
@Rollo > The girl who tells you she needs to be comfortable > and wants a relationship first is the same girl who > fucked the hot guy in the foam cannon party in > Cancun on spring break just half an hour after > meeting him. Yes, so true. Whenever you meet a girl who uses those words Comfort and Relationship while she withholds sex from you, you know that she’s slotted you into the “Provider” category (instead of Lover, using seduction theory terminology) or in terms of your Hypergamy Theory: she’s slotting you in to be her Beta… Read more »
@Throughfare
Serious question… when is “NEXT” the wrong move? Seems like it’s always the right move especially since it speaks to women’s natural language, action.
@Jeremy, c’mon now, you know there’s no Game topic I haven’t covered:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/01/19/next/
if your GF is a party girl you have a plate
What a coincidence! I’ve been dumped by my ex from a 8 years LTR right on the last day of November, last year. Where I live we don’t “celebrate” spring break, so I guess she picked the right time to dump me. Been Red Pill since then. I start reading some manosphere blogs since my break up but I must admit it was the rational male who helped me the most in shaping my beliefs. I feel that I have cured my oneitis and I think I will never suffer from it again. Here are some insights about my ex-LTR… Read more »
@Rollo Are you kidding? Every time you write something new that I enjoy, I’m surprised that you found something new to write on the topic, literally every time. I admit I haven’t read every one of your blog posts, but I’ve read most of the book twice and much of the blog since late 2013. I think that’s one of the things that keeps me coming back here, their seems to be no limit to where the subject will take you. In the sciences hit a wall at one point, a knowledge limit. You actually hit that quite early in… Read more »
After reading that, I actually did that only a couple years ago. She was one of those rare “true christian” girls who is dead set on waiting until marriage. She was nice enough, similar interests, but she had hard limits on intimacy that were basically unacceptable. She wouldn’t even let me see her with her shirt off for Christs sake, much less be intimate in that extremely limited manner. I gave her quite a bit of leeway, let it go on far too long to be honest. Ultimately I communicated to her that either she does something that demonstrates how… Read more »
@Jeremy This of course, ignores the fact that just our own solar system has probably hundreds of thousands of gravitational bodies involved. A damn near uncountable amount if you just count the individual atoms plus account for the other forces acting on them. Good luck ever calculating to that level though. 😉 Of course, every time she’s seen me since then, she’s all over me. Not taking the bait, unfortunately for her. I’d tell her my time comes at a cost while giving her an obvious eye fucking, then ignore her. I’ve plated a couple of those in the past… Read more »
With the honest Christian girls, I find it tough. Obviously if I find out she’s partying with the girls, then that’s horsecrap and she’s just making me wait. This girl though, had me literally believing she was still a virgin, still has for that matter. She just is not the type to have abused her beliefs. She’s given me absolutely zero indication that she has ever let herself slip on this one, and based on how often I believe she gets out, and how little female game she knows, I don’t think she has. So, in that situation, I find… Read more »
@Jeremy, Good Girls Do
@Jeremy
I stopped caring about their situation and instead considered what would make me happy. Having that “good girl” who would never curse or have sex before marriage in my bedroom and moaning “FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCK” was what I wanted. If she behaved well enough, she would have kept me. She didn’t. I bailed.
Everywhere that chick turns will be white knights and societal norms set up to help her out. She’s got a million safety nets looking out for her. I simply don’t care about her situation outside of how it affects me personally.
Rollo, this girl *was* a virgin, on principle (I will argue this). Even though I’m arguing with you, I must acknowledge that I cannot be certain, and your words make me waver in my thinking (always have, that’s why this place is so good). Whether I’m right or not on her virginity… It was clear she didn’t like me enough to take action to keep me. So the principles here still hold. Any crisis I may have experienced w.r.t. her keeping me waiting was averted. I actually credit your (and M3’s) site with helping make that choice, truthfully. Keep in… Read more »
Or even shorter: some guy’s eventually gonna hit that. Might as well be me.
There is no arguing with Rollo’s definitions for attraction, nor his unassailable arguments towards the folly of negotiated intimacy.
And really, I’m talking about unicorns, so this argument is actually stupid.
But for that tiny tiny percentage of women who can actually convince me that they’re virgins on principle, I do not find it fair to give them no option but to betray their value/principles to keep me.
Again, it’s a stupid argument, because these women are so rare.
Also, it’s a stupid argument because the second half of Rollo’s argument still holds… whether she’s a party-girl who is making you wait, or a principled virgin who is making you wait… in both cases the sex won’t be worth the wait.
@Jeremy Is it betraying their values if you fuck her, the two of you have a wonderful relationship, she turns out to be a great chick and you LTR her for the rest of your lives? Because if that’s not what happens, she wasn’t at all what you’re giving her credit for right now. She was just another bitch whose party favor was simply that she still had her virginity. She still couldn’t make herself valuable outside of being a series of holes. Seriously if you want to fuck her, fuck her. If she wants you to keep her, let… Read more »
@Sun Wukong Is it betraying their values if you fuck her, the two of you have a wonderful relationship, she turns out to be a great chick and you LTR her for the rest of your lives? No, but there’s no convincing a religious person of that fact. This is why it’s simply better to avoid religious chicks. Because if that’s not what happens, she wasn’t at all what you’re giving her credit for right now. She was just another bitch whose party favor was simply that she still had her virginity. She still couldn’t make herself valuable outside of… Read more »
A woman will fuck some guy. It may not be you, it may not be me, but some she will fuck some guy.
And yes nexting when you’re being held at arm’s length is the right move, but from the sounds of it you held yourself there to some degree. You also seem aware of that.
No, but there’s no convincing a religious person of that fact. This is why it’s simply better to avoid religious chicks.
Haha, you only think there’s no convincing them because you’re considering the intellectual route of convincing her.
I would gladly work a religious chick over in a heartbeat. They’re easier because they’re simply not prepared for what’s in an experienced guy’s toolkit. There’s no convincing if she’s begging you to fuck her.
@Sun – “Everywhere that chick turns will be white knights and societal norms set up to help her out. She’s got a million safety nets looking out for her. I simply don’t care about her situation outside of how it affects me personally.”
‘Xactly!
“Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.” Right. And what turns young women on relies completely on a man’s physicality. I’ve been reading more from other people and there’s no way around it. If your “performance” can be disregarded simply because you have good looks, then it isn’t the “performance” which gets her in the first place. It’s your physical features. Men AND women are very similar when it comes to that hot, feral attraction we have for one another. I’m honestly surprised I don’t see this talk… Read more »
Wrong.
Read more, mouth-off less:
Looks Count
Have A Look
That clip tho’….
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/53803076.jpg
@Sun – ” It’s up to her to keep me.”
This….
Ok, so arguing from a position of weakness is stimulating. Please indulge me some more guys. @Sun You also seem aware of that. Only in that I deliberately chose to not push things further forward than she was comfortable. I still pushed, she pushed back. Ultimately the pushback told me there was no chemistry, which is where my “ultimatums” (if it’s fair to call them that) came from. She liked my attention, but there was no attraction to me from her. That much is clear in retrospect. That said, she clearly respects me now. Haha, you only think there’s no… Read more »
@Contrarian, “This adds up to herculean compensation requirements that few average-looking men can meet. Not exactly good for stable relationships, is it? The worse you look, the more you have to pay, yet she’s giving it up for free to guys she finds hot.” Rubbish. You can be an average looker, but still have herculean compensation. I do not accept the premise that looks are everything. Sure I’d like to be 6 inches taller and more beautiful, but not at the expense of being a douche-bag. Game, skills and added value can enhance ones herculean skills. Or you can just… Read more »
@Jeremy I wasn’t going to just continue being a simp. For where you found yourself in the end, this was absolutely correct reasoning so please don’t think at all that I’m criticizing your end decision. However, your attitude going in to it is the entire reason you found yourself there. I still pushed, she pushed back. The line between true LMR and just another little shit test is a fine one. Almost every time though, this is a shit test. I’ve pushed through it and had girls that were one minute telling me “No” the next minute say “Take me… Read more »
I respect her rights as required by law. I in no way respect her beliefs; that’s not required by law.
Jeremy,
It seems you were well within reason to next the girl. I would observe reservations that Rollo and Sun might have involve Game not being a binary decision. Religious virgin=no sex. Vs. She is going to fuck some guy when the time is right.
@Sun Highly likely, but it all comes down to your attitude going in: don’t respect their beliefs. You have beliefs too. They are equally valid. You’re setting your frame as the dominant frame, right? Sounds like your beliefs are part of what should define the frame then. Having said this, and agreeing with you. Consider the fact that we both know that a woman with low-N is more valuable than one with high-N. Consider that I absolutely believe that I as a man should be allowed to protect my own value to women. Am I not then a hypocrite for… Read more »
@Jeremy Am I not then a hypocrite for having little else but a demand that a woman compromise some of her permanent value simply to keep me around? A woman trades sex for commitment. A big part of the shift from Blue to Red Pill centers around recognizing that there is a difference between a guy with high-N and a chick with high-N. A guy gets a high-N by being high value in some way. Women acknowledge this through behaviors such as pre-selection and recognizing social proof. A woman gets a high-N by spreading her legs and saying “Yes”. She… Read more »
You can’t unlearn what TRP teaches you. Years ago all I wanted was a girlfriend who loved me. I had tons of other interests but that was above everything else and I felt like I needed it as a foundation in my life. Now I’m happy that I DON’T have a girlfriend. The more I read here the more it feels like I don’t even know what that word means. Commitment? I’m sorry, I don’t know anything about that. I literally can’t imagine having a girlfriend or being in a committed relationship anymore. Getting laid? Sure. But a relationship? At… Read more »
Or to explain it as Patrice O’Neal so hilariously did, you devalue yourself by being a “Time Ho”.
@Sun Wukong A woman trades sex for commitment.The analog for a man is not sleeping around; it is to devalue his commitment by committing too readily to every chick that comes along, i.e. by being an orbiter. Yes, but isn’t there a crucial difference? I *WAS* a beta orbiter in the past, and now I don’t think there’s a cash prize in existence that would put me back in that situation. I improved my value through knowledge and practice. A woman with high-N cannot magically become low-N. Her value is permanently altered with sleeping around (perhaps not catastrophically, but you… Read more »
@Jeremy I don’t think it’s fem-centric, I think it’s rational. But I’m willing to listen to why you think it is so. Calling it “hypocrisy” is an attempt at shaming men for criticizing her high-N that is factually detrimental to her ability to bond. Men criticizing her are in fact looking out for their own good; it behooves her for those men to not do so as it works out in her favor (and often to their detriment) when she finally requires provisioning. Both sides are acting on a selfish strategy, but hers is currently the dominant narrative in society… Read more »
Also, they’re never looking out for your interests if they’re turning you down or denying you sex. Why should you look out for theirs?
@Sun Wukong Calling it “hypocrisy” is an attempt at shaming men for criticizing her high-N that is factually detrimental to her ability to bond. No. The hypocrisy I’m speaking of is not in the professed meaninglessness of high-N vs reality, the hypocrisy is in demanding (no compromise) sex as the only bargaining chip for continued male attention. I would *never* shame men or accept the shaming of men for plate spinning, because frankly what the women are doing is far worse. What I’m discussing is simpler. If a woman wants to retain me AND not squander her SMV, she’ll make… Read more »
@Jeremy I discuss hypocrisy from that perspective because that is the perspective that makes it the default position we instinctively reach for. As for it being hypocrisy to demand sex for male attention: no, it isn’t. The entire process of “dating” or “spinning plates” or whatever you want to call it is doing shit you would do with a friend… but with sex or sexual overtones thrown in. Sex (or the promise of it) is the entire reason you’re engaged in the entire dance. It’s not hypocrisy when it’s the entire reason you’re bothering with her to begin with, you… Read more »
That graph is fantastic. For all the flak that Facebook gets, it has become a very useful tool for measuring things. You can get a good glimpse of a woman’s life by adding her to your Facebook. You can see how much of an attention whore she is, how many male orbiters she has, how much partying she does, etc. I have a post for SoSuave somewhat in the works that covers a woman’s male interests and their longevity based on her Facebook searches. It’s amazing when you’ve got data to back up theories.
@ Des, feel free to link it when you do
You know what Sun… I feel like I’m going in circles here. I don’t mean in this specific discussion. You’ve been polite and worth talking to. I mean that I believe I’ve had this same conversation here on RM before, with the same path trod by myself at least.
I’m guessing it’s past time I actually spend more time away from the keyboard than at it when it comes to this subject.
@Desdinova Superstar
April 21st, 2015 at 10:20 pm
“That graph is fantastic.”
OK. That is also a graph of my married man sex life with the peaks being not getting it and the flat planes getting it depending on my game. Overall I rank everything good as it is.
This spring break was a challenge, but good thing is it should be easy sailing into the December Challenge.
@Jeremy No prob man. The best advice I think you can use simple: be selfish. Keep your goals in mind the whole time. Be utterly unconcerned with what a woman gets out of you beyond what you absolutely must give to get what you want. Like any good salesman, remember that whatever price the customer will pay you, no matter how bad a deal it seems to be for them, is the fair price. That and so long as I’ve not taken it seriously, experimenting with the practical implications of this stuff has actually been kind of fun. Think you’ll… Read more »
Two things I wonder are the frequency of getting back together with someone as summer approaches among those spring break-breakups. And, the frequency of finding out what went on back during spring break among those winter holiday break-breakups. It really shouldn’t have been a surprise to anyone that the highest breakup levels came around the time of the longest periods where a boyfriend and girlfriend wouldn’t be around each other. Summer time is about local hangouts and working. Burger joints, swimming pools, driving main thoroughfares. Need a boyfriend to pay for food, gas, and not be the girl without the… Read more »
And everybody should watch or listen to all those Patrice O’Neal videos on youtube.
Is anyone else as simply disgusted and turned off by these girls as me? Not just these ones in particular in this vid but the whole Miley Cyrus, Spring Break, Girls Gone Wild, Bend over and show me butthole to 500 people, twerker, the half-yelling ’empowered’ voices, ‘have 20 complete strangers take a shot of Jager after it dribbles through my crotch’ type of party girl which seems to be a high percentage of modern girls. They’re just gross, game or not, I’m not even talking about that. The total loss of femininity is a massive turnoff, even if you… Read more »
Ha ha. Just reread the “Men are pigs” quote at the top, saw how I used it twice. So who’s projecting then?
But hey Rollo! After reading your work, I come to the conclusion–post after post and an interaction with a woman after an interaction that–if that’s how it is, then let’s just accept that and develop ourselves to take advantage of it. How else you wanna win this game?
We all lose.
Learning game so you can stick your dick in those pieces of shit?
Game = trying to live with a rabid animal instead of killing it.
Nobody wins.
Signor… I couldn’t agree more. These girls are absolutely repulsive war pigs. There is nothing sexy or feminine about them at all. Honest to God, the very first sense I had watching this was olfactory – a combination of smells…rancid butter and the grease trap in the garbage area behind a Taco Bell.
Yesterday I heard a Tom Leykis show at YT from around 2003 “Spring break”. Some though stuff.
So Rollo,
How do you reconcile this post with the previous one where you imply that we have no choice but to practice game and marry them anyway, since men take all the risks?
I still don’t see the logic behind that.
We have to practice game to snag a woman 2 points below our SMV who loves us opportunistically for our assets and everything we can provide for her and then keep performing so she can love us and not divorce us while taking away all we have worked so hard to build?
Which post was that?
@Jeremy – Very interesting commentary. It’s great to see men be so vulnerable here, “arguing from weakness” and “furthering the discussion” with real, productive argument. A few thoughts: 1. They are all like that. There are no unicorns – remember, unicorns are a legend. There are just women who haven’t been gamed properly yet or been in the right context/environment to let their hypergamous nature run free for a while. Period. I’ve been around too long to believe any differently. 2. Virginity – So she should be blowing you and dancing for you when you whack off and maybe even… Read more »
Actually, if your GF insists on going to spring break somewhere with the girls, you should probably proactively dump her. Sad to say it, but I’ll bet more than 50+% of the time, it is the right move. No. It is the right thing to do 100% of the time. YOU should be her priority, especially at spring break, Christmas break, any time off like that. The responsibilities of school and or work are demanding and time consuming. Time off like that is opportunity to enjoy each other and strengthen the relationship. If she wants to “go party with her… Read more »
@Not Born this Morning – Well said. As I’ve digested the Red Pill and observed the change in behavior in young women in particular, it’s become clearer in me that women haven’t “changed”. The only thing that has changed is the social context in which they live. Get it – this is who women are. At their peak SMV the temptation today to enjoy the cock carousel has no constraints or resistance to it anymore and this is what women sought. Why do we have campaigns against “slut shaming”? In order to make this okay. “You go gurl!” From Sandberg… Read more »
@Chester
We have to practice game to snag a woman 2 points below our SMV
You don’t have to really practice Game for that. Just give up your pride and get on OKStupid or Plenty of Whales and you’ll get them.
@Thoroughbred,
Don’t forget a hint of Valtrex wafting through the air. I’m starting to think that a large part of the fascination for female bodies has to do with them staying covered up most of the time. Only Brazilians can pull off the ‘excess exposure–still achingly hot’ thing. When Anglos try to pull it off, they f’ it up somehow. I’m so anti-Anglo these days that I wonder if I should get my T-levels checked. I mean, I am straight up feeling nothing for Anglo women anymore. Honest to God, they make me sick.
@Signor
Asia for life. There is absolutely no grace at all to these pigs.
AWALT. Asian chicks just whore with a different language/accent.
The Managing Expectations post Where somebody says in the comments, “you will never get what you put in” and you answer “will you still do it?” You cannot possibly have forgotten that. Why would anybody do that? And by “that” I mean getting married anyway. In the light of this post conclusion, I reiterate my question. It makes no sense to use the excuse that men will always be the risk takers in life to tell them to get married anyways in the light of all this. What is the logic behind that? @ Sun Wukong if “OKStupid” and whatever… Read more »
@Chester,
Knowing is half the battle. What you choose to do with that knowledge is up to you.
@ Signor Farfalla (love the name, btw) – I’m not grossed out at all by how these girls are behaving. In fact, the only thoughts that go through my mind are these: 1. I wish I was 26 and knew what I know now. I would be plowing through many of these hotties, either pumping and dumping or plating. I would specifically go to these events with a real strategy and game for that setting and then run wild. 2. How many of them can I fuck at 52? Some might call this a “stretch goal” and indeed it is.… Read more »
@Chester
@ Sun Wukong if “OKStupid” and whatever other dating site is your thing, well good luck
Are you missing my point because you’re pissy, or because you’re dense?
I gave my ex $500 for contraception stuff. She broke up with me and didn’t feel liable in the least. That frustrated me, but I’m actually not angry at her person: I know she’s a “good person” and I saw that she literally didn’t feel liable. I draw the conclusion that I did not really understood girls ways (or maybe more broadly, people) and learned a lot from it. Although I find the redpill.Reddit content repelling (it’s just angry man sharing their evidence for the general theory, which may be interesting wouldn’t it be formulated in hatred/victory stories), form reading… Read more »
@bnon, Why is the undertone of the manosphere mostly frustrated? Because your interpretation of what you believe is frustration, anger or bitterness is rooted in what your Blue Pill conditioning has taught you men should want and expect from women. The problem most men initially have with Red Pill awareness is that their only context (up to that point) they have to interpret that truth is their Blue Pill perception of it. From a Blue Pill perspective in which men are taught to respect women by default, to take them at their word (regardless of behavior) and to treat them… Read more »
@glenn
“I’m in a bit of an existential crisis that I won’t go into here unless any of you guys tell me you’d like me to go into it”
I would like to hear about it
I update the life plan about once a year, usually while on a beach
I’ve found women, wonderful mercenaries that they are, tend to be quite concerned with inheritance. If you posted on FB or the like that when you die you are giving your millions to then your daughter would miraculously reconnect.
How can anyone “cheat” on a boyfriend in the first place? A husband/wife with whom you’ve specifically taken monogamous vows, sure. But someone you’re just “dating” with no such vows in place? Not possible.
… to then …
should be:
to =a good cause= then
“Women will break the rules for men who turn them on and create rules for men they don’t respect.”
This is what gets me about the single baby mamas who snag a child-free beta provider to play father-figure to their kids by other men. They didn’t hold those men to any standards but they expect their beta providers to act like saints.
@Yale Grad, have you read this yet?
http://therationalmale.com/2012/12/19/the-epiphany-phase/
Johnny Bits, “I think in many cases, the most prudent approach is proactively cheating on her.
That way if she cheats, it’s no big deal really.”
– Isn’t this just called “dating”?
“Painfully cynical, I know, but I get the feeling that most young women would prefer this shared delusion of monogamy”
– Since when did dating get mixed up with marriage (monogamy)?
Walking this fine line of not waiting too long for sex has been happening more for me lately. Its a definite game, Ive banged some goodie girls on the first date and Ive scared others off by coming on strong. Got one tonight, should be able to seal the deal. I think the max Im putting up with is five dates before I ditch these type of chicks. Im spinning plates and fucking other girls, she seems to pick up on it. This dread stuff works when applied properly. Lets hope it is actually worth the wait lol
Rollo, I really appreciate how thoroughly you’ve thought out all this stuff. May I ask what first alighted you to all these truths? Its something most people, in this culture anyway, just don’t think about. Even when we see patterns, we’re unable to connect the dots. Even when someone connects the dots for us, we are resistant to facing the facts. I think its because we want to see the genuine good in humanity and not see the flaws. We are eternal optimists. You know, I really don’t have a problem if some good guy falls in love with a… Read more »
@Yale Grad,
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/26/whats-your-problem/
“Good decisions come from experience, and experience comes from bad decisions.” (lol and very true)
What’s your problem…
Yet another excellent post, one I hadn’t read yet. You seem to have pretty good “balance”. I have mostly been ridged with women. Some people claim I’m “chauvinistic”. I do lean that way. so far it has worked for me overall but perhaps not optimally.
Thanks again for your work.
Spring break–when a backbreaker pounds you so hard it breaks a mattress spring. Backbreaker–also known as Pogo Girl.
@Yale Grad
What are “the rules”? Where do “the rules” come from? Who made “the rules”?
What is morality other than an unreal conceptualized very malleable and fluid ideal employed psychologically as a pawn in the game of human social dynamics?
Rollo –
“Revealing Red Pill truths will always be negative in a Blue Pill context”
You seem to want to lead others to the positive of red pill truth and the context in which it is positive.
@bnon, NBTM:
Anger for feminists = Transformative
http://www.eewc.com/viewpoint/transformative-anger
Anger for men = Volitile, Dangerous
http://therationalmale.com/2013/11/06/anger-management
It’s all about the context.
@Glenn,
I agree with you completely except…. “No women understands how strong the sex drive is in men”.
Your statement implies they would behave differently if they understood.
I think they DO understand and that understanding provides them opportunity. They are more interested in their opportunity than consideration for any man’s emotions. They do not respect a mans emotions, they respect a mans power and vitality.
What do you think about his explanation of the female archetypes? He says the “good girl” is the equivalent of the AFC, average frustrated chump.
From Rollo’s “What’s Your Problem” blog; “My problem is counseling a guy who thought the best way to separate himself from “other guys” was to be ‘chivalrous’ and date a single mommy with 3 children from 2 different fathers, only to knock her up for a fourth kid and marry her because “it was the right thing to do.” – Are you in my real life social circle? Because that is a common scenario out here, and I’m in suburbia, not a ghetto. “And my biggest problem is seeing 14 y.o. AFC symps all ready to sacrifice themselves wholesale to… Read more »
@Glenn… “Hint for all guys: Learn how to give a decent massage. Get some coconut oil, set the mood with music, low lights, a candle, smoke a joint or a glass of wine. Boom. Virgin, smirgin. Her unwillingness to give it up is in direct relationship to her level of attraction to you. Period. If she’s not fucking you it’s because she’s not attracted enough to you.” I’m ambivalent on this one. Smoking a joint? Yes! The sex is fucking out of this world with a little THC in the system. The danger is that it easily becomes a crutch… Read more »
“That means 10 and 20 years from now the population will consist solely of men who do this and women who expect men to do this.”
Maybe not because the boys are being raised by their beta cuckold step fathers (without alpha influence) and the FI which will theoretically raise them as beta, rendering yet more beta males 10 to 20 years from now. In this way and others pop culture society is attempting to coddle and preserve the weak and lazy while attempting to marginalize or exterminate the strong.
“But then that article came out about that woman who decided not to wear yoga pants out in public anymore because of how revealing they are ”
They’re no more revealing than jeans.
“When I coached, I would always rely heavily on what I called “Girlfriend Season” it IS very real. As real as New Moon debauchery. ”
How does that differ from Full Moon debauchery?
Sorry for being off topic, but this is a confession in the red pill vein of things. I cheated on my wife… I came to red pill awareness in the midst of the short lived affair (more on that later). The guilt is crushing. My wife is a good woman, but I allude to one of Rollo’s posts regarding the lack of appreciation I felt as a justification for my actions. Due to a prior sexual issue, sex was not high on her list, although I’d please her every time. I made a vow and I broke it; there is… Read more »
“That means 10 and 20 years from now the population will consist solely of men who do this and women who expect men to do this.” “Maybe not because the boys are being raised by their beta cuckold step fathers (without alpha influence) and the FI which will theoretically raise them as beta, rendering yet more beta males 10 to 20 years from now. ” That’s exactly what I’m saying. Expect the population to consist of baby mamas and their offspring from a minority of sperm donors which they rotate amongst themselves, and the vast majority of beta males who… Read more »
Anonymous: Assuming you’re not trolling, interesting story. I’ll be hoping you are feeling better and that your guilt will subside eventually. But you are raising my troll alarms because your description of the affair is quite… feminine. I question whether you are reading the emotions correctly. I think you have it quite reversed. I think you were in love with her, else her discussion of attraction wouldn’t have bothered you. I think she was not in love with you, else she wouldn’t have been able to move on so easily to one of her other “plates”. If she was just… Read more »
Mad Yale Grad: “That’s exactly what I’m saying. Expect the population to consist of baby mamas and their offspring from a minority of sperm donors which they rotate amongst themselves, and the vast majority of beta males who will man up and take responsibility for the mess.
But what if the Red Pill spreads? I mean it’s already spreading but at the moment the amount of blue pill cucks is still huge. Do you guys think it will ever become accepted as the norm? Or will it just grow to a point after which it will stop?
@ thedeti I’ve read your comments before and I appreciate the response. Not trolling, just a lot of emotion as I put the “pen to the page”. I can’t talk to friends about this or anyone I know of for that matter. I at least covered my tracks that well. To borrow the old adage, hindsight is 20/20. You’re right, and the more I think about it / write about it, I did love her, even though I never said it. Like I mentioned, I was still blue pill inwardly during this whole mess. Red pill realization set in towards… Read more »
Anonymous, according to Baddog swinger couples are the happiest so maybe you should’ve just swallowed the bitterest of red pills and called it a day.
@Anonymous
You care because you hurt a tattooed and pierced drama bomb of a CC rider that you risked ending your family and losing half your fortune for? Now you disapprove of her beta plan B and feel bad for her having to settle for him?
Jesus. Rearrange your priorities bro.
Sorry ’bout that, wrong video. Here’s the right one.
Borfash April 22nd, 2015 at 4:16 pm Mad Yale Grad: “That’s exactly what I’m saying. Expect the population to consist of baby mamas and their offspring from a minority of sperm donors which they rotate amongst themselves, and the vast majority of beta males who will man up and take responsibility for the mess. But what if the Red Pill spreads? I mean it’s already spreading but at the moment the amount of blue pill cucks is still huge. Do you guys think it will ever become accepted as the norm? Or will it just grow to a point after… Read more »
No, I’m not asking if the traditional monogamous relationships will make a comeback. By Red Pill I mean the knowledge of the nature of male and female sexuality which is currently distorted by concepts such as gender equality, femenism etc. Basically I’m asking if a considerable part of men will stop believing that crap. By “grow to a point” I mean if it will just get to a certain point after which it will remain as a kind of “subculture” type of thing to which only a small part of men adhere to while the rest go on to cuck… Read more »
I’m not the futurist Roosh is, but I don’t see the old set of books making a return. What’s done is done. Traditional monogamy was based on a social contract founded on limiting Hypergamy. That limitation gave men a marginal stake in their genetic futures with regard to Hypergamy. That shit is gone now, thus what we think of as “traditional monogamy” can’t be returned to. No one seizes power with the intent to relinquish it. Assuming men have the balls to fight the Feminine Imperative for a male form of birth control that is as unilaterally controlled as women’s… Read more »
@ Sun Appreciate the comment. Like I said, newly red pill. You misunderstand, I certainly don’t feel bad for her, I feel bad for that guy / her former plate as he feels like he won the prize, but he has no idea what he’s in for. He’ll learn the bitter truth in time. Another convert in the making. Understand, connections were made first as a beta. The CC and all that went with it was carefully concealed until it was much too late to stop any sort of feelings, on both sides. This is past me now and I… Read more »
@Borfash
Basically I’m asking if a considerable part of men will stop believing that crap.
Doubt it. Most people are lazy. If there’s one aspect of the Pill that’s really hard to swallow, it’s the burden of performance. You will never get to quit till the day you’re in the ground.
Try telling your average lazy fat beta that shit. Watch their head explode.
Damn Rollo… Thoroughly depressing. But better to see with crystal clear vision than delude yourself with pretty lies I suppose.