The Love Experience

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Glenn and a few others had a question about last week’s Love Commodity post.:

@Rollo – This seems very inconsistent to me. How can this be true – ” Men and women can and do love each other intensely and genuinely. They can and do see past each other’s deficiencies and their love endures. ” While this is true? “In an era of unapologetic feminine primacy and unignorable open Hypergamy, this commodification undeniably rests with the feminine.”

You’ll have to forgive a long explanation, I couldn’t simply drop this into the commentary, a full post was necessary.

The first thing we need to consider is the Male Experience vs. the female experience. I hate to get too existential, but it comes down to our individuated experiences as men and women. I’m going to give two examples here and this will also cover the Hypergamy is everything thread I noticed the commentary too.

There’s an interesting conflict of societal messaging we get from an equalitarian / feminine-primary social order. This is one that simultaneously tells us that “we are not so different” or “we are more alike than we are different” and then, yet implores use to “celebrate our diversity” and “embrace (or tolerate) our differences” as people.

This is easily observable in issues of ethnicity, but it also crosses over into issues of gender. The most popular trope is that ideas of gender are a social construct and that women and men are comparative equals and only their physical plumbing makes them different in form only.

From a Red Pill perspective we see the error in evidence of this egalitarian fantasy. I’ve written countless posts on the evidential and logical fallacies that make up gender equalism, but the important thing to be aware of is the conflict inherent within that belief – equalism expects men and women’s existential experiences to be the same, while also pleading that we embrace the differences it purports we don’t actually have.

It fundamentally denies the separation, from an evolved biological / psychological perspective, that men and women experience life in different ways. The idea is that it’s the nebulous ‘society’ that determines our gender experiences and less, if nothing, of it is truly influenced by a human being’s psychological-biological firmware.

zdr01dz posted this:

I think maybe this is in part because men have no innate desire to marry up. Hypergamy doesn’t compute for us. I know what hunger feels like and I assume women feel it the same way I do. I’m empathetic to poor, hungry children because I know what they’re feeling. However I have no idea what hypergamy feels like. I’ve never felt it’s pull.

My second example comes from Women and Sex in which I explore the fallacy of the social convention that insists “women are just as sexual as men” and that “women want sex, enjoy sex, even more than men.”

This canard is both observably and biologically disprovable, but the presumption is based on the same “we’re all the same, but celebrate the difference” conflicting principle that I mentioned above. If a dynamic is complimentary to the feminine then the biological basis is one we’re expected to ’embrace the diversity’ of, but if the dynamic is unflattering to the feminine it’s the result “of a society that’s fixated on teaching gender roles to ensure the Patriarchy, we’re really more alike than not.”

The idea is patently false because there is no real way any woman can experience the existence and conditions that a man does throughout his life. I mention in that essay about how a female amateur body builder I knew who was dumbstruck by how horny she became after her first cycle of anabolic steroids. “I can’t believe men can live in a state like this” were her exact words. She was just beginning to get a taste of what men experience and control in their own skins 24 hours a day and it was unsettling for her.

Women are used to a cyclic experience of sexuality, whereas men must be ready to perform at the first, best opportunity sexually. These are our individuated experiences and despite all the bleating of the equalists they are qualitatively different. As zdr01dz observes, no man has an idea of what Hypergamy feels like. To my knowledge there is no drug or hormone that can simulate the existential experience of Hypergamy. Even if there were, men and women’s minds are fundamentally wired differently, so the simulated experience could never be replicated for a man.

I understand how Hypergamy works from observing the behavior and understanding the motivating biology for it. I also understand that our species evolved with, and benefitted from it – or at least it makes deductive sense that what we know as Hypergamy today is a derivative of that evolution – but what I don’t have is a firsthand, existential experience of Hypergamy and I never will. Likewise, women will never have a similar existential experience of what it’s like to be a man.

So it should be an easy follow to deduce that how a woman experiences love, as based on her Hypergamic opportunistic impulses, is a fundamentally different experience than that of a man’s. The equalist social order want’s love to be an equal, mutual, agreement on a definition of love that transcends individuated gender experience, but it simply will not accept that an intersexual experience of love is defined by each sex’s individuated experience.

I have no doubt that there are areas of crossover in both men’s idealistic concept of love and women’s opportunistic concept, but this experience of love is still defined by gender-specific individuation. By that I mean that women can and do experience intense feelings of love for a man based on her Hypergamously influenced criteria for love.

I’m actually surprised that more women have yet to call me to the carpet about their personal experiences of love from the commodity post, but if you sift through the comments on Women in Love and other blog/forum comments you’ll come across examples of women describing in great detail how deeply they love their husbands / boyfriends, and are in complete disarray over being told their love stems from Hypergamic opportunism. Again, I have no doubt that their feelings of love are genuine to them based on their individuated concepts of love; indeed they’re ready to fight you tooth and nail to defend their investment in those feelings. What I’m saying is that the criteria a man should need to meet in order to generate those emotions and arrive at a love state are not universally mutual as an equalitarian social order would have the whole of society believe.

So, yes, men and women can and do love each other intensely and genuinely – from their own individuated experiences. They can and do see past each other’s deficiencies and their love endures. The processes they used to come to this love state differs in concept and existential individuation, and what sustains that love state is still dependent upon the criteria of men’s idealistic and women opportunistic concepts of love.

The Cardinal Rule of sexual strategies:
For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own.

The commodification of that love state is presently weighted on the feminine because the Feminine Imperative is socially ascendant. The importance of satisfying the female sexual (and really life-goal) strategy takes primary social precedence today. Thus men’s individuated experience is devalued to an assumption of an “it’s-all-equal” universality while women’s is blown up out of all real valuation with collective expectations of “embracing their unique difference” set apart from that universality. If men’s experience is one-size-fits-all it’s really a small, and socially blameless, step for a woman to withhold the reward criteria men place on their idealistic love in order to satisfy their own sexual strategy.

Women’s social primacy allows them to feel good about themselves for commodifying the idealistic rewards men value to come to their own state of love, as well as maintain it.

It is one further step to embrace the concept that men’s experience of love, the idealism he applies to it and even his own sexual and life imperatives are in fact the same as those of women’s – while still setting women’s apart when it serves them better. Thus the cardinal rule of sexual strategies comes to a feminine-primary consolidation by socially convincing men that women’s experience and imperatives are, or should be considered to be, the same as men’s individuated experiences. Add women’s already innate solipsism to this and you have a formula for a gender-universal presumption of the experience of love based primarily on the individuated female experience of love.

In other words, women expect men to socially and psychologically agree with, reinforce and cooperate with the opportunistic feminine model of love as the equalist, gender-mutual model model of love while still believing that women share their own idealistic model. It’s the correct model that should work for everyone, or so women’s solipsism would have us believe.

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January 9th, 2015 at 12:56 pm

Disqualifying is more like it.

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@Rollo: you acknowledge she’s gone off on “erratic tangents” since posting her initial points. Now you want to reward her with her very own post?
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Well it is your blog so go with your gut. At least it’s for the gallery, not her.

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@ Sun Wukong
Jesus guys, why are y’all still responding to this obnoxious harpy?

You’re right. Troll radar activated.

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January 9th, 2015 at 1:30 pm

@Rollo

Giving this chick anymore headspace is more than she has earned.

Yep.

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Palin seems like she’s just a hotter R version of Hillary without two braincells to rub together. All the women that are put forward as politically realistic options for important positions are just marketable and nothing else.

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I actually think an eventual fisking and takedown of “AlphaFemale’s” 6-Theses is a good idea. 1. True Alpha Females are very, very rare. Usually, a true Alpha Female is a high T woman, high sex drive, earns her own money, is very highly educated, and very driven and ambitious, and –this is important – wants to be and expects to be the dominant partner in her relationship with a man. She wants to be the breadwinner, wants to lead, wants to be the “final word” in decisionmaking within the relationship, and is truly happy and comfortable with assuming that role… Read more »

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@ Rollo Alright, I’m going to do something I’ve never done on RM before, I’m going to ask my readers for their input on the next post. No matter what the topic is my favorite RM articles break down complicated behaviors into simple, easy to understand concepts. This article is gold because it precisely explains the definition of attention whore. http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/21/your-attention-please/ What separates the behavior of the attention whore is her overtness in grabbing that attention. Consider that women’s preferred means of communicating is to be covert. There’s no subtlety in the attention whore’s methods and maintenance. Granted, women will… Read more »

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1 vote for remedial refresher.

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“I was looking for a man that would be faithful above all else.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She%27s_Out_of_My_League
Molly “admits she had indeed asked Kirk out because she considered him safe and breaks up with him.”

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A few comments ago we discussed the nonexistence of divorceporn antiromance stories for men, in which men dump lousy wives for hot chicks. How about a “SIW hits Wall” antiromance, in which the safe beta refuge’s SMP soars dramatically and she starts to worry? Are we going to see that story?

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Re: anti- romance for men

Middle aged man can’t get it up for get shrewish wife. Goes to Doctor for little “blue pills” doctor instead suggests trying a younger, thinner, nicer woman. Hilarity, and inspiration ensues as hero makes Redpill journey to himself discovers a man.

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re: “younger, thinner, nicer”

One thing I agree with ton about is that prettier strange women tend to be nicer. Although that effect may be complicated by my seeing nicer as prettier.

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When I stop and think about it, I can’t think of a greater element of cognitive dissonance in modern society. That women can act as if they have no innate power over society, it boggles the mind. Let’s step back and look at humanity from a distance and through time. It is essentially one long string of mothers giving birth to daughters and sons. That’s evolution, females choosing a mate, or controlling which birth gets preferential mothering based on their own desires. Basically, women are in full control of human evolution, and always will be. Their direct body is part… Read more »

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@jf12 re: contemporary culture’s portrayal of love etc. Compare the male and female tendencies in this list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Mainstream_Top_40_number-one_songs_of_2014 Great point. I used to point this stuff out prior to the hit and run accident. It went on deaf ears in the comment section here. Music creates life. That can be positive, or not. Therefore, knowing the lyrics of the songs matters. In my work, it has been necessary. Ask any parent if they know the lyrics. Rollo is an exception, he knows them. Most will tell you they don’t understand what the words are in the song. The truth is… Read more »

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@Jeremy So refreshing to read a post from someone that’s not hostile just on the basis that they’ve read a view that challenges their beliefs. How do you do it? All the other men here are so defensive and insecure about their beliefs they have attacked me left and right for daring to oppose them. I understand how you’ve come to that conclusion about how women are lying to themselves but their actions don’t lie. However, I would like to point out that when you look at various types of romance novels/movies/storylines, you are normally not going to find a… Read more »

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tl;dr if women really believed they deserved to be treated badly, then they would think the same about their friends when they are treated badly, i.e., they deserved it. Our actions would demonstrate that we think she deserved it. They don’t. What they demonstrate is that we subconsciously (by offering physical and emotional support to the friend) and consciously (by offering words of advice) believe she does not deserve it. Narcissism will not allow itself to be trodden on. You demonstrate clearly that women do not believe they deserve to be treated badly, yet you fail to extrapolate this to… Read more »

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“Dump him! What’s his number, anyway?”

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Yes. The Hyenas video is quite educational.

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jl12, “Yes, feminists abhor 1) Male spaces 1) Masculine feelings” Even though nothing will change your jaded worldview, I would like to point out that you are wrong. Feminists /=/ man haters. Pointing out the hypocritical way that you demonize women for committing the same acts that women “commit” is not a fallacy. Your jaded views on women branch swinging and cheating are what you think give you license to treat women as subhumans. Pointing out that if we are judging on the criteria YOU have mapped out, then men are also subhuman (where have all the real humans gone?)… Read more »

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@AlphaFemale

All the other men here are so defensive and insecure about their beliefs they have attacked me left and right for daring to oppose them.

Yaay for solipsism on display!

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Condensing Alfalfa’s chin-dribble down to its essence: Women’s sex choices are driven by their cortex, not by their amygdala, so women make rational sex choices.

Bwahaha

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Condensing Alfalfa’s chin-dribble down to its essence: Women’s sex choices are driven by their cortex, not by their amygdala, so women make rational sex choices.

Much like those currently (and past) in charge of the financial sector, you have to put lipstick on a pig when it’s blatantly obvious to everyone that some very poor choices are being made and you’re the one who does all the selection.

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@ Rollo

100 million women buyers of 50 shades of grey can be wrong.

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Novaseeker, Ah. The ever present non-bitchy unicorn that you married seems like a not so nice lady. What do they say about lobbing ad hominem attacks? I mean maybe while getting the PhD even though she’s a lowly women with inferior worth to all the men in the field, she could’ve researched ‘ad hominem’ attack and concluded like all the rest of us that are actually educated that they are made by people with weak arguments. Please tell her from a feminist that I hope she enjoys that PhD that was bought and paid for by women that actually believe… Read more »

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Feeding hyenas?

From Mutual of Omaha’s Wild Kingdom:

In addition to scouring other predator’s meals, hyenas will eat lizards, birds, snakes and insects but also have the ability to take down an antelope or wildebeest. Because their jaws are so strong, hyenas have the ability to eat bones, teeth and hooves.

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re: “Imagine that a group of women are gathered and chatting.” A lot of my life is spent like this, not imagining, but amongst groups of chatting women. The women minutely dissect every short-term man, but in regards to discussing their ltr men there are three types of women. 1) Just like on facebook, a whole lot of women claim their guy is the very best because (she says) he thinks she’s the best. These women essentially compete to show how beta their male is, although they would couch it in terms of his compliance, what he does for her… Read more »

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@Rollo

Yep, it’s an outlier, nothing to see here…

Damn you and your your your… LOGIC and your EVIDENCE and your REASONING! How dare you bring them in to an argument where they belong?

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re: “It is a fallacy for you to continue to assert that behavior seen in both males and females is inherently dissimilar to the point that it colors the value of an entire gender. THAT is a fallacy.”

Technically THAT is a bias. So sue me.

Regarding feminists’ hatred of male things, I note you bypassed the psychologytoday link discussing the negative effects of society’s bulldozing male spaces. There are plenty more references along that line; but just more for you to ignore, probably.

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re: Mutiny comment “I mean what is the point of being a woman in your eyes? Is there an objective to life other than providing sex, cooking, cleaning, and raising babies and little girls?”

Well, there are other services too: grooming your man, petting him, rubbing his back, etc. Making him glad to be alive. Making him glad to be a man. Helping him fulfill his wishes. What did you think your point of being a woman was? Being a ball-and-chain drag aka “challenge” aka sinkhole?

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Biology trumps culture when it comes to women. When the cultural controls come off, biology resurfaces. Every time. Biology is something Alpha Female cannot possibly admit as it is too much in conflict with her frame. Only debate is that chicken and egg thing about whether women’s biology pushed the culture or the culture slacked off, giving women’s biology the opening to punch through. I suppose that’s a whole other topic worthy of its own post should someone try to tackle it. For me, the greatest revelation the red pill offered us was this: if there is an observed difference… Read more »

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Just what every plowhorse wants in his life: come back to the barn to find yet another “challenge”, yet another load, yet another task to complete.

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@Jeremy re: “Women are in TOTAL denial of the gifted power they have over humanity, complete and utter denial.”

Because with acknowledgment of power comes acknowledgment of responsibility i.e. duty i.e. having to actually do something.

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January 9th, 2015 at 2:09 pm

The idea that Palin is stupid is a myth. It parallels the FI indoctrination we get that is held up as truth.

http://classicalvalues.com/2009/09/she_is_bright_t/

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most entertaining and congrats on the comment count. w/r/t what to post next – what would an emotionally untriggered Amused Master do? Does an outlier really need an immediate response even if they are more articulate and measured than most? On the other hand, I find the attitude about “that was already addressed back here” ahhh, shall we say . . . un-Master-like. Few have read or thought about these matters as much our host or most regular commenters here, but we can let someone know that something has already been addressed without denigrating them for having the temerity to… Read more »

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Jeremy January 9th, 2015 at 4:34 pm @AlphaFemale All the other men here are so defensive and insecure about their beliefs they have attacked me left and right for daring to oppose them. Contrary evidence is an attack. And in fact it is. But it holds more weight than just saying, “You stupid c*nt.” And “dare to oppose” ? Very little daring required. But the attacks must be made to appear strong to prove her “strength”. But in a forum like this real strength is evidence. Of which I have seen none from her. Screeching is not evidence. ============= I… Read more »

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I was disappointed with the actor selected to play Christian Grey in 50 Shades Of Grey. Bill Cosby would have been a better choice.

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@2039lkjsa but we can let someone know that something has already been addressed without denigrating them for having the temerity to speak up. Were this a random forum where you’d have to comb through thread after thread reading comment after comment and trying to thread a narrative together. This, however, is a blog. I lurked and read for a few months before my first comment here. To clearly broadcast not having done that bare minimum is to invite denigration with a gigantic “Kick me” sign in your own hand writing taped to your forehead. Finally, I note that – having… Read more »

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re: letting someone know.

Rollo refers me and other men to prior posts all the time; it’s shorthand, and a good use of hypertext. Also is her “I have read countless entries from men” really compatible with your proposed major allowances for naiveté in her “temerity”?

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Afalfa is an attention whore.

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re: “something has already been addressed”

“In other words, women expect men to socially and psychologically agree with, reinforce and cooperate with the opportunistic feminine model of love as the equalist, gender-mutual model of love while still believing that women share their own idealistic model. It’s the correct model that should work for everyone, or so women’s solipsism would have us believe.”

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@zdr01dz

I was disappointed with the actor selected to play Christian Grey in 50 Shades Of Grey. Bill Cosby would have been a better choice.

Everyone knows he slept with his brother Russell, and was into provoking a good paddling, so maybe that works…

(before you jump on me for missing your reference, I didn’t)

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@Sun Wukong …most people like to think themselves outliers when they are in fact not. Human existence is incompatible with the notion that you’re more like everyone else than you’d care to admit. If we as individuals were to truly accept just how similar and interchangeable we all are, we’d likely all turn suicidal very quickly. Because of this, the individual human mind celebrates and remembers differences and superiority far far more often than it recognizes common weaknesses with other humans. Whenever someone begins a conversation with you absolutely sure of their own superiority to a human stereotype, you can… Read more »

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I am shocked and appalled. Mostly because it appears there was a discussion here…HERE of all places!.., that was centered around Twilight, and vampires.

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Feminists don’t hate men, they hate humanity.

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Ah. The ever present non-bitchy unicorn that you married seems like a not so nice lady. What do they say about lobbing ad hominem attacks? I mean maybe while getting the PhD even though she’s a lowly women with inferior worth to all the men in the field, she could’ve researched ‘ad hominem’ attack and concluded like all the rest of us that are actually educated that they are made by people with weak arguments. Please tell her from a feminist that I hope she enjoys that PhD that was bought and paid for by women that actually believe in… Read more »

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Woman offers up easy lob as a pretend rhetorical question: “I mean what is the point of being a woman in your eyes?” to a bunch of pathetic bitter old men with small penises. What was the root cause?
1) Her vanity.
2) Her insanity.
3) Her inanity.
Pick the single one which best fits the scenario.

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Underappreciated factoid: the butch partner almost always has a higher sex drive than the femme but instead/because of that, the butch inevitably spends all their sexy time sexually pleasing the femme partner, and tends to have to get her own self off.

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@novaseeker I haven’t followed up on comments since my last post, so if your wife has said something vitriolic back to me, I have no idea what it is. I did, however, develop a theory about your wife that I would like to share with the group. Your wife is a feminist. Now, follow this logic boys because it’s good stuff. Your wife has taken very specific actions, i.e. pursuing a post graduate degree in a specific field, that indicate that she does not believe women are inherently inferior to men. A PhD is the pinnacle of education, so we… Read more »

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Hrm, Actually, the “burden” of choice precludes idealistic love. Nature has essentially arranged itself around women being the selector when it comes to sexual relations and reproduction. Because women are making a selection, rather than appreciating what is available, their judgement on their selection (much like any consumer) is constant and undermines any possibility of appreciating what they chose merely for it’s existence. Natural human behavior works like this. You don’t walk into a store full of suits, look around, pick one you like, get it tailored, and walk out of there loving the suit simply for existing. No, you… Read more »

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Is thing thing on? … tap … tap …

Novaseeker recommended, egalitarianly “for anyone interested in these kinds of issues”, both men and women ought to brush up on their Chinweizu Ibekwe for a little background.
http://veritaslounge.com/2014/08/15/the-varieties-of-power/

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@elitistthinkingfemale Be careful before you respond. This reasoning that I’ve used is carefully cultivated from a source you all know and trust….think hard. I’ve not read Karl Marx, and no, I don’t really trust him. Your words are so filled to the brim with “inferior” “superior” nonsense that it’s a wonder how you go about your day dealing with people. Had it ever occurred to you how close to equal people could be, and still be best suited for different roles, or do you regard all jobs as being on some kind of female-interpreted heirarchy? Do you go about your… Read more »

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@Rollo

“Yep, it’s an outlier, nothing to see here…” Like me, right? I need to start putting /s after some of the things I say so you can tell when I’m being sarcastic. Apparently, my tone isn’t conveying it.

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Ok I should not have expected anyone was going to get it, even though I DID go out of my way to give you a serious hint at the end. The reasoning I used to make these conclusions about Dr. Nova is the same reasoning you use to justify your beliefs about women. Now that I’ve spelled it out, the only thing that I can tell you is that if you think I’m really off base, you should probably examine your own beliefs since my reasoning is a reflection of the logic used every day in every single post on… Read more »

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Jesus Christ “Alpha”… You vomit that kind of nonsense, and you honestly believed you were throwing our own logic back at us? At this point I’m starting to wonder if english is a second language for you, because your previous post was soo off base that humor was the appropriate response.

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Do you remember standardized assessments of reading comprehension that included too many ambiguous “pick the best answer” and “pick the best title” types of questions? I always could come up with a better answer and a better title. Since my literary professor ex-wife helped design some of them, I can assure you that your suspicions were correct: always some of these questions, in *any* large standardized assessment, were included specifically to ensure that the smartest kids would get something wrong, to burst their bubble. Literally “the best answer” was selected ex post facto to ensure that the minimum number of… Read more »

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And would like to add that I do believe that I’m right about it, too. But Jeremy #2, I will respond to your questions. You’ve read Rollo Tomassi, have you not? That’s where I got the logic. You just don’t like it because I pointed out that it’s unlikely that a woman with a PhD actually believe she is inferior to an unskilled laborer. Where are we at with the “assembling hard truths” mumbo jumbo? Even if I say what is true that I don’t go around thinking I’m superior to all of these other people, you’re not going to… Read more »

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“Jesus Christ “Alpha”… You vomit that kind of nonsense, and you honestly believed you were throwing our own logic back at us?” Um…I don’t know exactly how I need to spell it out for you for you to understand. Jesus. Feminism = Women desiring to be treated like shit. That’s all I’m going to do for you. If you still can’t get it after that, it will seriously take far too long for me to piece it together for you. Just give up. You’re just saying it’s not the same logic because you don’t want to admit that it is.… Read more »

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re: “she was given a road map to pleasing one of these alpha males by giving them a false sense of superiority over her, which she believes makes them more attracted to her.”

Honey, please. Females throw themselves under the alpha’s juggernaut and are plain happy their little greasy spot eases his way a little.

You aren’t just pretending; you really really don’t understand this, do you?

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Alpha… Women earned PhDs… BEFORE THEY HAD EQUAL RIGHTS. So please, drop this nonsense you have. For Christs sake, we had women working as federal judges in the United States before most University’s in this country allowed women in, before the term feminism was even coined for fucks sake. So all this bullshit you have about “needing to believe in equal rights”, or “being feminine on the inside” is total horseshit. The world of men works on one principle, and has always worked on one principle.. MERIT. Women who want to MERIT being honored EARNED a what they were seeking.… Read more »

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Different writer. Different editor. Different shift.

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Alexander wept.

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“Women earned PhDs… BEFORE THEY HAD EQUAL RIGHTS.” And that affects my argument in what way? It doesn’t matter that they did. Unless you can testify to their MINDSET about their own value and whether THEY believed THEY deserved equal rights, that’s not relevant. This is about whether this woman believes she deserves equal rights. You will have to find a doctor who believes women are inferior to men for genitalia alone in order to make a counter argument. “Women who want to MERIT being honored EARNED a what they were seeking.” Evaluating women based on merit necessitates a belief… Read more »

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And also, you will need to prove that the majority of women who earn PhDs believe that women don’t deserve equal rights, as outliers are dismissible on the grounds that they do not represent the majority.

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Alphafool said: And that affects my argument in what way? You’re either not serious, or you’re retarded, or you’re drunk. You just vomited out a bunch of nonsense over how Nova’s wife *must* think herself to not be inferior, to think herself a feminist, in order to pursue a PhD. I just gave you an ironclad example of how and why an individual woman who isn’t so blinded by Social-Marxist ideology might not care who or what she was inferior/superior to but might instead just want to challenge herself in a unique way, but the rules and merits of the… Read more »

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Different writer. Different editor. Different shift.

Yep.

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@”AF” — Well, I have to say that you couldn’t be more wrong than you are, but, then again, there is always asymptotic stupidity to consider, and how far down the curve … interesting. Anyway, you’re entertaining purely for amusement. I recognize you in my *ex* wife. She, unlike you, isn’t interested in being the dominant in her relationship(s), but is one anyway. But, I found someone better, fancy that. She may even show up to respond herself (I’ve given her the green light for that, if she wants to use it), but in any case, your assessment of things… Read more »

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Jeremy #2 my assertion goes to her mindset, not to whether PhD’s were earned by women before or after equal rights were granted. Are you slow or can you TRY to wrap your mind around that simple fact?

Also again, if you disagree with my logic and would like to insult me for it, please go find the nearest mirror and scream at it since for the last fucking time, this is your logic on display.

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re: “your assessment of things is typical of your type”

Yes. Alas.

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And also, you will need to prove that the majority of women who earn PhDs believe that women don’t deserve equal rights, as outliers are dismissible on the grounds that they do not represent the majority. Most probably do. My fiancee is an outlier (didn’t I *say* that already? Oh, that was a different writer for your account … sorry). Clear enough. Is the discussion that “most female PhDs believe like my fiancee”, because if that is the discussion the answer is “no”, which is why she is, in fact, precious because of rarity. However, the broader issue on “outliers”… Read more »

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Novaseeker, I had a larger point to make, which, clearly, was a bit too abstract for the readers here to be able to piece it together without a road map. We can argue about your wife all day long. In the end if you believe her that’s whatever. Do what you want. There’s definite cognitive dissonance in her word and actions, but you can do whatever mental gymnastics you need to to pretend it’s completely rational to benefit from feminism while you pretend to hate it. God I don’t want to listen to the psychobabble bullshit your wife is no… Read more »

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Do you guys actually believe I have a different writer for my account? Hahahahahaha. I’m fucking tickled that you think that because I’m just that good. Nope still me. We alpha females are not a dime a dozen, you know. Wherever would I find another person to share my amazing handle?

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Hairier legs.

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If only there could be a challenge, somewhere.

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AlphaFemale, I am Novaseeker’s fiancée (as he said, we are not married yet). I previously commented on some blogs in the “manosphere” as Learner (though not on this blog) but I kinda like “Dr. Nova” so I am going to go with that. Since you have offered your little theory about me I would just like to make a few points. 1. The idea that you or some other feminist “paved the way” for me to earn my PhD is laughable. First because women could and did earn doctoral degrees before feminism, and secondly because I bet I am at… Read more »

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@Rollo I don’t drink. Which part of your logic do you disagree with? You haven’t weighed in on my astute analysis about Dr. Nova.

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Alphafemaleperson, “God I don’t want to listen to the psychobabble bullshit your wife is no doubt going to spew to justify her belief that SHE deserves access to the highest education available, but other simpleton women, well not them. Just her because she’s a special snowflake.” Ok, according to you, one minute I think I am lowly and the next I think I am a special snowflake…. Which is it? And for the record I support access to the highest level education available for all people based on their abilities. I do not support lowering standards so everyone can have… Read more »

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Hello Dr. Nova. Thanks for joining in. I would first like to preface my reply by saying that my analysis of you is satirical and is meant to showcase the flawed logic used by RP men to justify treating women badly “because they really want it.” I do actually wonder though if my theory is valid because it has certainly touched a nerve. 1. The idea that you think you would have access to more than basic reading and writing without feminism is what’s laughable. Historically, women having access to education beyond the basics was unusual and was only granted… Read more »

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Oops, I forgot I pushed the second part of your quote to the bottom to deal with later.

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“Ok, according to you, one minute I think I am lowly and the next I think I am a special snowflake…. Which is it?” Well going with my theory, you actually believe you are of high value. I amended my belief that you think you’re lowly when I decided you were a feminist. “And for the record I support access to the highest level education available for all people based on their abilities.” Then you support equal rights, as I KNEW you really would. “(by the way where is what feminists supposedly paid for my degree ’cause I still have… Read more »

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AF, Staying at a friends house tonight and only have my phone to work with so I am going to address one point at a time (not a fan of commenting from my phone). “1. The idea that you think you would have access to more than basic reading and writing without feminism is what’s laughable. Historically, women having access to education beyond the basics was unusual and was only granted to women if the men were not in need of the resources. So what you are saying is that POSSIBLY you would have been able to get a PhD… Read more »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyjdyXnhYMY

Relevant as ever right what with the bickering

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Dr. Nova, Now hang on a minute. We’re getting side tracked on a tangential issue. The question is whether or not you believe in equal rights, not whether feminism is definitively the sole path to women achieving equal rights. Equalitarianism means “of, relating to, or believing in the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities.” Now, your fiancé believes that you do not believe in equal rights, but you are telling me you do believe in equal rights. I don’t know which one of you is right, but I am sure you will elucidate for… Read more »

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When Nova said I did not support egalitarianism he was correct. I consider myself a complementarian. I believe men and women are of equal value but are fundamentally different and naturally more suited to some roles than others. I don’t wish to take away anyone’s rights, I simply think people should to be willing to accept the consequences of their actions. For example, if a woman wants a high powered career that is a choice she is free to make. That choice may limit her in other ways however and I would question her insistence that she should be able… Read more »

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The thing about special snowflakes is that their specialness results from special nurturing conditions. But every slushball is the same slushball.

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If the goalposts won’t move, then Hamidah will say they did anyway.

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AF,

Do you not understand that things like college admissions requirements (certain grades or standardized test scores) are used all the time in education to admit and reject students access to education all the time all over the world? Seriously….. This cannot come as a shock to you. We were talking about access to graduate education, not 5 year olds for crying out loud.

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I apologize Rollo if I high jacked your thread. I will stop responding to her if your prefer (your blog and all).

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@Jeremy
Women earned PhDs… BEFORE THEY HAD EQUAL RIGHTS.

Confirmed for truth by one of my heroes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

^^^^^^^^
She’s what happens when you don’t wine about “the patriarchy” and just go do something productive for mankind because you want to. That’s what an alpha female looks like.

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Jeremy – “Do you go about your day, scoffing at people who collect garbage, run street sweepers or snowplows, or direct traffic? It really sounds like you do.” And this illustrates the problem with enlightened educated feminist women, and men. The strange notion that education = wisdom and thus superiority. As though an MA in gender studies, communications,or psychology makes the world a better place. One thing I have learned is that education is not indicative of anything other than the ability to navigate the process. Some of the smartest people I know never completed high school. These are the… Read more »

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“I don’t wish to take away anyone’s rights” Do you believe they should have been granted in the first place? “For example, if a woman wants a high powered career that is a choice she is free to make. ” — because of feminism. “1. I am smarter than most people (doesn’t make me better than them, just more intelligent). 2. Men on average are smarter than women. This is a statistical fact, especially at the right side of the bell curve where men outnumber women 2:1.” What measure are you using to justify a belief that most men are… Read more »

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@Dr Nova “We were talking about access to graduate education, not 5 year olds for crying out loud.” No we were talking about you having ACCESS to education. I never once said that I wanted all people to be able to get PhD’s. It’s ridiculous that this miscommunication between us has taken up this much time. To be clear, I do not under any circumstances believe that people should just be handed a PhD for existing on earth. I am saying people should have equal ACCESS to education, which you have because of feminism (which you also ironically claim to… Read more »

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Bullseye, Badpainter.

Chinweizu on feminism: “a revolt in paradise”.

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