As announced, I did the interview with Christian McQueen and Dagonet last Saturday and the show is now live.
We went for a solid hour and a half, so be prepared for a lot of content. I did my best to answer question submissions but in an interview like this it’s difficult to go into the depth I’d like to and still get to everything. Overall I think it was an amazing show and it was great getting to talk with Christian and Dagonet – I really appreciated the plug for my charity at the end, I didn’t expect that (thanks guys).
As I mentioned in the prior thread, I don’t really do many interviews. It’s not that I don’t like to, it’s usually a logistics thing for me, but mainly because of time constraints and my wanting to consider a topic in more depth than that time will allow.
I’ll be posting this week’s essay on Thursday because I’d like to do an open comment thread for the show here and get some feedback from readers/listeners for a few days. If you’d like to discuss something I covered from the show this is the thread to bring it up in. I’ll do my best to answer for the rest of the week.
I hope you all enjoyed it as much as I did doing it.
RT
Finally! It feels so great listening to your voice Rollo. Please consider a podcast in the future if your time allows.
I’m finally know definitively how to pronounce ‘hypergamy’.
Nicely done.
“bottom up change” +1 brother
I listened to this excellent presentation in its entirety. It was very informative and thought provoking; and it flipped some switches in my mind. For proof, as I went about my days chores, I felt a peacefulness, and a sense of closure on a relationship I just concluded. Needless to say, I have purchase “The Rational Male” and look forward to digesting it. Much to my chagrin, I had to resort to the Urban Dictionary to a discover the meaning of a number of the acronyms you all use, but keep it up ! Many thanks, and I appreciate your… Read more »
@Jack, thanks for all of that.
I have a list of acronyms linked on my side-bar:
http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2i42pq/revised_glossary_of_terms_and_acronyms/
I listened to about 20 mins and then cut it off. The one host who kept saying ‘cunt’ was highly annoying and spent too much time talking. Also, I wasn’t learning anything I didn’t already know from this blog. Sorry, that’s my honest opinion.
Sorry to hear that Ed, but if you can, listen to the latter half of the show.
“I listened to about 20 mins and then cut it off. The one host who kept saying ‘cunt’ was highly annoying”
Agreed. The profanity is childish. The host was vulgar.
It would have been more effective as a polite discussion. Not a “doushbag” type interview. Discrediting
Rollo, the no doom and gloom, optimism and bottom up were insightful.
I see the opportunism as bilogical. This is a society of women and drones. And 3-4% true Alphas
In this life, there are people that have mastery of certain elements – people I know I can learn from even if I do not agree with everything they say.
“I listened to about 20 mins and then cut it off.” If you’re that person, you’d do well to read A Christian McQueen Book
Rollo accepted the interview with Christian McQueen (CM) on purpose. CM has had experiences most men haven’t, his advice works well in business and this podcast will introduce thousands more people to The Rational Male. That’s a good thing.
Host was vulgar, not very insightful (probably linked to his self-centeredness), tiresome and constantly faking a Barry White like bass tone. Also bashing your co-host is childish. Seems he is a life coach … heh
“CM has had experiences most men haven’t, his advice works well in business and this podcast will introduce thousands more people to The Rational Male.”
I don’t have the exact numbers but The RM is way bigger than CM. It’s the other way around really. CM did a piss poor job.
@Nathan: Yes, in the future I’d advise Rollo not to interview with 2 ‘disc jockey radio clown’ dudes…and sit down with someone for a more formal, in-depth discussion.
Find a format that’s more appropriate to the serious, quasi-academic, layered, and complex subject matter Rollo writes about.
@Ed, I’d love to, but can you suggest anyone with a listenership that wont simply ‘tune out’ anything even remotely red pill?
From the Christian McQueen Show (21 minutes in? No. 76 minutes in.)
Women (do not) expect romance from their alpha stud…The guy that she was (with) when she was 25… in her dorm room… that guy didn’t bring her roses, ok, that guy didn’t bring her a nice glass of wine and have some (lame) date night.
~Rollo Tomassi
… wish I had known this when I was in college.
@douchebagdeluxe
I believe in enlightened self interest, and what that means is, I can’t help anybody until I’ve helped myself. And then, the people who I’ve helped after that, I’m in a better position (to help them) because I’ve helped myself to the point where I’m going, ok… I’m going to help you out, I’m going to be a good husband, I’m going to be a good father… because, now I’m in a better position to do all of that stuff.
~Rollo Tomassi
Michael Jordan said, “To be successful, you have to be selfish, or else you never achieve.”
This big planned (lame) event, that’s not what Romance is. Romance is the… bag of skittles, Romance is… that little gum-wrapper ring you made Romance is… your sweaty shirt on the ground that she picks up and takes a whiff of because she likes the way that you smell… Romance isn’t… created… Romance is spontaneous and Romance happens and the (stuff) that women are going to remember the most, especially from their Alpha Lovers in the past, ok… It’s not going to be any gesture that that guy did It’ll be a song that was playing at the time It’ll… Read more »
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Thanks for the feedback Riv:
http://rivsdiary.wordpress.com/2014/10/07/i-have-3-pages-of-notes-after-listening-to-this-interview/
Michael Jordan said, “To be successful, you have to be selfish, or else you never achieve.”
I may not get the details exactly right, but I think the story involves Tex Winters (assistant coach). Anyways, he told Michael there is no “I” in team, and Michael responded, yes, you are right, but there is an “I” in WIN
Great podcast Rollo! I’ll be buying and reading your book soon. I’m a straight male college student and guess what today’s English assignment is… “Compare and/or contrast people’s perceptions regarding the behavior of males and females. Are males and females, for example, expected to behave in a similar way? Provide examples, but do not use specific names. Integrate the summary/paraphrase of ideas from at least two assigned essays for Week 8.” Here are the titles and authors of the essays if you want to check them out: “Femininity” by Susan Brownmiller “Samson in Chains” by Annie Dillard “The Smurfette Principle”… Read more »
Awesome!! I love listening to interviews. No comments to sift through or any distractions — a lot of times I’ll listen to interviews when I’m working out or getting ready for bed and lying down. Very convenient and being able to hear a human voice discuss these things instead of just reading about them brings another element into the picture that I like a lot. Although the topics are very in-depth and I’ve had to spend a lot of time carefully reading through these posts, thinking things over and experimenting. I can see what you mean with wanting to focus… Read more »
Rollo, Christian McQueen has a well-developed or naturally excellent speaking voice. However, I think he is mostly a bullshit poser. He is quite the peacock, but more in a theatrical way rather than a natural way. He is still young and for his sake, I hope he isn’t taught a very needed lesson by someone like this….. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/19/hells-angels-pictures_n_1437902.html During my college years, I was a member of a hard core weight lifting gym, body building, power lifting, etc. Some members were like the guy above. One had been a machine gunner on a medical evacuation chopper in Vietnam. He survived… Read more »
It was really great to hear you verbally express the ideas you write about,it makes it easier to see what you mean. I am not particularly offended or bothered by the hosts, but I have to admit they weren’t really up to t he task. Ironically it’s the host that was in the midst of a breakup, not the one who was trying desperately to be alpha, that would have been the more fruitful interviewer because he is in the midst of many of the things we all talk about here. His need for personal answers would have lead, I… Read more »
Great having you on Rollo and sharing your wisdom. Best of luck in your endeavors and looking forward to your new book.
Best,
CMQ
I listened to the podcast. I find the you are a down to earth no nonsense guy. Refreshing. More oldschool than I thought. I now read your blog with a different eye. Kudos and you have a new follower…
Take a good look at Christian McQueen
http://realchristianmcqueen.wordpress.com/
Do you see a man or do you see a flamboyant hair style. expensive watch, cigar, sunglasses, sports coat….heads up guys, .women see straight through this shit…poser…. who else would need the props…you don’t need them to get laid or loved by a woman.
Rollo, you transcend and eclipse this.
Start listening from around here:
@1:14:00 “I tell guys when I was in my 20’s…women are not going to expect romance from their alpha stud…it’s going to be because they are there in the moment.”
This was the key message… “Women love opportunistically.”
It’s a painful truth.
Enjoyed listening. The point about MRAs being just as obsessed with equalism as feminists was illuminating. Traditional complementarianism (as defined here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementarianism ) is something we can expect to remain under heavy fire from the mainstream for the forseeable future. The MRA/MGTOW tendency towards equalism may be more about calling out bullshit than a sincere desire to flatten everyone into interchangeable automatons. That doesn’t make it – or any nihilism it might point towards – any less dangerous. I appreciate the way you transitioned into a call for inner development. Host brings up a few good perspectives amidst the chuffing,… Read more »
@Rollo You articulated yourself just as well as I thought you would. There was something therapeutic about hearing you share red pill examples from your life.
@CM @ Dagonet Great job MC’n the podcast and keeping the flow going. I am not sure where all the hate is coming from. They must not be familiar with your podcast or brand. Sucks to be them.
I most certainly agree that it felt like you guys only scratched the surface of what The Rational Male is all about.
So much to digest.
Thanks for doing this. -dcl
MGTOW espoused in the RedPill Reddit sub is the ultimate buffer IMHO.
Live Fearless You better keep posting those verbatim quotes because I had to turn off the host of this interview after 20 minutes. The host sounded like he’s Scott Shannon’s son and auditioning for a Morning FM Zoo position. He keeps directing all attention back to himself. Notice how they “lost” Rollo about 20 minutes in. That move sort of checked the hosts to settle down. Who knows where this would have wound up if Rollo just sat there and let them steamroll him As other commenters have mentioned above — Note how bad repetitive cursing comes across in any… Read more »
@ George
lol at your weird rant and then finally fessing up that your daughter is 15.
i love agenda driven emotional pleas dressed up as “here, I’ll show you how its REALLY done”. best start to my morning past the 3 S’s.
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It was a great interview. Thanks.
Rollo, At some point during the interview you mention that you trust your wife but you are not naive. Then you go on saying that if you become a drunkard or poor, you will understand your wife if she leaves you. This is quite a bold but also general statement from your side. To what extent do we accept hypergamy as a real condition and how much does it really exist? I mean I searched allover the internet for scientific research on hypergamy and I found nothing. Thus I cannot consider it as a genetic condition but rather as a… Read more »
Andrian, if you want an example of the biological roots of hypergamy look at the studies about Ovulatory Shift in women;
http://therationalmale.com/2012/09/25/your-friend-menstruation/
http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/haselton/papers/
Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks is part of women’s psychological firmware as a result of Ovulatory Shift.
Thanks. That is really useful. I will read it and get back to you.
@George
your violent stories are the beta rage fantasies of a father terrified and powerless because deep down he knows his daughter will almost certainly end up on her knees expertly pleasing the kind of fake poser douchebag that he himself so despises.
I agree w every word George said. Beta? Wow
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Rollo, I’d like your view on this:
http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum/social-dynamics/the-betaization-process/
This post has been prophetic. It literally explained my last relationship as if the guy had a brain monitor installed in my head.
I know you’ve touched on this, but the assertion that this is a standard process, and it is linear and unavoidable, is very fascinating to me. My experiences reflect this 100%, and also that of my peers.
The process cannot be stopped. It is inherent, it is dictated by nature. The only way to win is to not enter exclusivity contracts (implied or explicit).
That’s becuz me an Dal kn takeit frum here…lzolzllolz,…
Nathan,
In this article, Rob Fedders talks about what Alpha, Beta … , and natural male hierarchies tend to look like in less manipulated environments:
http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/2012/06/keynesian-sexual-marketplace.html
I’m behind you, Rollo, and fully supportive.
At the same time, GB4M’s point has merit. Should it be callously thrown away?
Great article Eon.
Pronounced [hahy-pur-guh-mee]
This whole alphabet thing is only an analogy. It’s a system that attempts to *describe* reality; it is not reality itself. If we assign a different “type” of human to each of the 24 characters of the Greek alphabet, it still wouldn’t be anywhere near enough to accurately model the wilderness of reality with any resolution. The analogy will always break down. While it can provide a useful shorthand in getting a point across, I think the myopic focus on two Greek letters, where to draw a line between them in any given situation, and the attempt to filter all… Read more »
Eon- thanks for that article and turning me on to that site…. It definitely is eye opening and definitely is something I need to think on. I find myself agreeing with it instinctively.
Lots of food for thought.
It’s pronounced “hi PER geh mee” NOT “HI per GAY me”. Look it up.
Sheesh.
LOL
According to the Lolcats: hai purr gah me
Hobbes,
Notice that the http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/ sidebar is full of links to archives of Manosphere writings, including those from ancient times.
Hai purr gah yourself, your arms ain’t broken.
Just like mon-ah-gam-ee it’s hyper gam ee.
Well, actually the word monogamy is usually pronounced mo-NOG-amy (məˈnägəmē according to my computer dictionary: the convention is that the syllable following the apostrophe ‘ is emphasized). And the dictionary shows the same pattern with hypergamy: hīˈpərgəmē, or hy-PER-gamy. The English language tends to mangle words imported from other languages, especially Greek – often placing emphasis quite illogically in terms of the meaning or structure of the word, but somehow it seems to be required that way by the rhythm of the spoken language. I’d wondered about the pronunciation of hypergamy myself, was interested to hear your version, and looked… Read more »
Our feet be iambic and shit.
You cut it off after 20 minutes? Please stay away from all seasons of “Californication” currently included with a Netflix account and with an Amazon Prime membership.
Some of the truths you’ve read about are demonstrated (taught) in that show, but…
I found the interview interesting… I might say enjoyable (at least the parts where Rollo was talking) except that by the end I really wanted it to stop so I could go wash out my head with soap. I will certainly never listen to it again. In 96 minutes I’d guess the “f” word was used, what, over 100 times? This guy really needs to get a dictionary, and discover that not only does the English language include a lot of words (far more than any other language in fact), but they don’t all begin with “f”. I had to… Read more »
There’s something to be said about the banter between two male friends. The host and co-host are close friends.
” . . . a vulgar slang term for the sexual encounter? ”
Despite my French ancestry, I can’t say that I find the Saxon any more vulgar than the Norman.
I do, however, find myself anthropomorphizing the word and imagine it saying, ” Don’t adjectify me!”
Profanity is a spice best used sparingly. It adds zest and flavor, but too much spoils the broth.
The single best definition of the Red Pill:
“The Red Pill today is basically called being a man a few decades ago; our grandfather’s would be like, yah, no shit.”
I thought the name was “Rollo” like the “O” in TOp and not the “O” in Row and “Hypergamy” had the accent on the first syllable.
A “spice”? Interesting metaphor. I wouldn’t put excrement in my food.
@George I agree completely with you, but I also understand “Posers” and why Real Alphas and also Betas don’t like them. “Posers” are trying to go up in hierarchy. This trying is more costly than alphas think because it takes effort to try to be alpha and even to pose when you don’t have a Alpha mindset. If we hate “Posers” we are saying that guys that by life constraints, genetics (or whatever is the reason is) are beta and are in the bottom of hierarchy don’t have a right to have hope to go up in hierarchy? Growing from… Read more »
In the end most PUA are Posers. As @George says if they were real alphas they would not care about manosphere at all. They didn’t grow as Alpha but they worked on themselves as much as they could/know trying to be Alpha. Hating Posers it’s easy but is not fair.
Truth:
“The times I was having the most sex were the times I was actually the poorest.”
~Rollo Tomassi, during the CMQ Show
hope you can talk more about your SMV graph, Rollo. And “Playing Friends”.
“Growing from beta to a real alpha mentality”
Mentality is not enough. It is necessary, but insufficient.
Intangibles (thinking I’m the prize, abundance mentality, etc. is 1/2 of the equation)
Real tangible characteristics Face>height>muscles are equally important.
Things do NOT compensate
You have to have both. There is no “climbing” the hierarchy without development in both areas.
@Sloth, http://therationalmale.com/category/sexual-market-value/
I don’t use the language, I don’t drink or smoke…
But, again, that doesn’t mean I’m not open to learning from others that have mastery in certain areas – constant learning, constant improvement is an absolute imperative.
Could CMQ have done the show with less ‘language’? Sure.
Either way, that doesn’t mean I can’t learn something from him. I’ve linked in a prior comment to one of his books that’s full of valuable insights anyone can use in business.
I knew going in what CMQ’s delivery would be like. I’m also familiar with the same style of delivery from the likes of Tom Leykis. I’m a guy like any other guy, I occasionally pepper in some choice words in my posts because that’s how Men talk. In fact I’m as suspicious of guys who front their pronouns or think Arthurian English emphasizes a point as men who swear overmuch. A concept like Alpha FUCKS and Beta Bucks needs that emphasis to make the point salient. I’ve learned this after dancing around with other euphemisms for it while attempting to… Read more »
Fantastic to hear you Rollo! Much thanks. I’m midway through my fifth listening at the moment. And fwiw, no CMQ hate here (as found above), I rather like the guy, can appreciate his delivery and am mystified how anyone could be so easily throw off listening in the light of the content that was being delivered by you. So… boo-hoo to errbody harsh @ CMQ, they can go suck it! Haha.
Shit, if we can’t handle a few four-letter words here and there then we’re no better than the hyper-intersectionalists and SJW’s who want “trigger warnings” to teach literature or concepts that might upset their feels (see Rutgers and the attempt to mandate an “opt-out” for those who can’t handle “The Great Gatsby” – not making that up). CMQ and his bud Dagonet are clearly Howard Stern disciples, but these days who isn’t. They did OK. I could never do what CMQ does (I have very little patience with Las Vegas-world) but I respect that he’s done it and making a… Read more »
You were an excellent guest and now I will read all of your work in your voice, much like I do with Morgan Freeman. I am catching up on RM and am in June 2013 of the archives and comments after a few months of dedicated reading. I think where men generally trip up on the red pill is that you have to understand and accept apparently contradictory concepts, prioritize them so that they work together, and then contextually dial them in to the optimal levels. That takes acknowledging and correcting internal binary thinking and dogma. You can’t live for… Read more »
…because that’s how Men talk. Well, perhaps I’m not a Man then. Not that it’s news to me; I’ve been told that many times, since at age two my father came home from the War and made it clear that I was worthless and never would amount to anything – a theme he kept up relentlessly for the next 15 years. I still don’t see the need of it. And the men I most admire don’t use such language. And I wouldn’t call these two guys Men, or even men – like all too many these days they’re more overgrown… Read more »
Heheh… a reader sent me this today:
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2012/may-june-12/the-science-of-swearing.html
” . . . there’s a use for the f-word there . . .”
As there is when discussing the word analytically. Say the word; for fuck’s sake.
@Tilikum and @brutal truth “Brutal Truth”,,,,LOL Why are you attacking me personally, accusing me of lying and assuming conclusions about me? No one but me knows if I am writing truth. You have absolutely no way of confirming. And why does it matter to you? Why do you feel threatened? Obviously, what I wrote disturbs you deeply enough to provoke irrational emotional reactions from you. You attack me personally. You are not arguing against my perspective. You directly attack my character. Is this because you are frightened my experience is true and you cannot accept it? Does my post above… Read more »
@Tilikum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilikum_(orca)
Is this YOU? Fantasy
Compensating for something?
A federal pussy pass…
http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc205.html
From the article Rollo linked to: “Swearing is positively correlated with extraversion and is a defining feature of a Type A personality.”
Extraverts tend to enjoy human interactions and to be enthusiastic, talkative, assertive, and gregarious.
Well, that explains it haha.
Has anyone else seen this bat shit crazy story?
http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk/love-sex/relationships/news/a30222/meet-grace-gelder-the-woman-who-married-herself/
The article mentions absolutely nothing realistic that obviously pertains to this like insanity, stupidity, narcissism, sloppy personal grooming……
Gelder is not alone in the orchestration or presentation of this. Cosmo presents it as if it is almost normal, a viable alternative.
Is this another way feminism is flipping the bird at men perhaps?
@George You’re comparing CMQ’s alpha male behavior in upper end nightlife in Los Angeles with bars that Hell’s Angels frequent? I would LOVE to see a hardened ‘true’ alpha, like you described, try to pull decent looking girls at high end spots in L.A. It’s the entertainment capital of the world. Your “Alpha” experience foots with places like Reno Nevada, Denton Texas, and Springfield Missouri. You should check the context of where a person is coming from before calling out a poser. What works in one culture, might fail in another. Men calibrate to their surroundings. My behavior in L.A.… Read more »
@George There are more than 861 million websites. Alexa.com ranks the top websites according to popularity. It also ranks page views, bounce rate and daily time spent on the website. In 2014, http://www.cosmopolitan.co.uk has ranked in the top 6,000 of all websites (popularity) in the world. It’s the 730th most popular website in the UK. Alexa audience demographics show that an unusually high percentage of the women that read that magazine online have been to Graduate school. You’re blaming the CMQ show host for the issues in the world, then you point out a post in a well-funded magazine. What… Read more »
@George Your post is the one that drips with emotion, the desperate plea of a father scared his little girl will get railed by a douchebag. I have no daughter so I am far less emotionally invested in whether douchebags get laid or not. Your post implies that douchebags don’t get laid and instead spend their weekends getting beaten up by war vets and gangs of roving mexicans for their posing efforts. I’m going to level with you, George, and say that I think that could be a beautiful world to live in. But unfortunately your post is just a… Read more »
Despite the barrage of different opinions on this post, a couple things remain true:
1. This is our highest rated podcast yet, so more people have been exposed to the Red Pill and for that I’m grateful. If just 1 man has his eyes opened and his life is changed for the better than Rollo, Dagonet and I have done a solid job.
2. The LA Kings lost tonight in the season home opener and for that I’m pissed.
That is all.
re: No True Extravert …
Us real extraverts have too much to say to bother with swearing. Think Steve Urkel on extra caffeine. Lounging around using cuss words is phyiscally and intellectually lazy. Bad words are merely for irrational purposes and emotional contexts, and bad contexts at that.
Hi Rollo, I really enjoyed your interview. (And don’t fret over how your own voice sounds to you. I experience the same surprise at my voice and it doesn’t get in my way of living a full life.) On the subject of hobbies (a topic you addressed late in your interview) and how to make that work for you I have to relate that dancing has been one that for me has been the best place to find women. First let me say that just because a woman likes to dance it’s no guarantee that she is not difficult (crazy!)… Read more »
phonemail interview red pill has changed my outlook on the world. I understand that the female hyper-gamey will automatically reject what is being said and classify it as misogyny. Being knew to red-pill awareness and maybe its my inner white knight but listing to people in the manosphere seem to be very emotional and not rational towards females. So what the world and your family lied to keep you ignorant from game. Hopefully your able to realize from trial and error and embrace how females are hard-wired and f*** their brains out so a man can be the man and… Read more »
Rollo, I found a link you might be interested in on the front page of google new’s science category
http://www.hindustantimes.com/lifestyle/sexandrelationships/how-love-hormone-regulates-sexual-behaviour-in-women/article1-1274225.aspx
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