Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma

Karma

Reader Keyser Soze had an interesting comment last week that I thought would be a good jump off point for today’s topic:

@Siirtyrion: You said, “Many scientists still go by this notion because it explains the frequent tradeoffs in mating and gives us a more complete picture for sexual selection as a whole. I understand that I uphold physicality as king, but understand that hypergamy isn’t completely about a short-term mating strategy, regardless of what some people may think. Women may be able to fund their our lives currently but rest assure, they still seek out Beta Bucks in other forms aside from monetary or material gain (i.e they still seek out physiological and emotional comfort from less than ideal males).”

Question for all:

Reading this, I had a thought. We often talk about women hitting the wall at 35ish and their sudden willingness to be me more reasonable with their expectations in a mate as they realize their SMV has decreased. I wonder if the above quote also plays into this. By the time women hit 35ish, historically (without modern methods of assisted conception) they are past their childbearing years. I wonder if their mating strategy changes at this age not only because of diminished SMV, but also because they are no longer looking for prime genetic material for reproduction as much as they are looking for “physiological and emotional comfort”. Perhaps this was implied all along, but I never thought about it this way before.

I hate to think this is going to come off as sympathy for the aging spinsters who had their cake in their youth and now, late in life, are looking to make honest amends for their past decisions, but it probably will.

A few months ago I broke-down Robin Korth’s aging sexual denial and in response we got a glimpse into the rationalization engine (a.k.a. the Hamster) at work in feminine solipsism:

http://twitter.com/RobinKorth/status/486636301207093248

My intent here isn’t to pick on Korth personally or really any woman in the post-Wall demographic in particular, but this self-insight is an excellent illustration of the feminine solipsism I often refer to on this blog. Furthermore, this sense of ego-blamelessness is then combined with the easy rationales and social conventions ready-made by the Feminine Imperative to affirm her self-importance.

Deti comments:

Robin Korth should be reposing in the love of her husband of the past 35 years, give or take. She should be doting on children and grandchildren as the esteemed matriarch of her family.

Instead, Ms. Korth is still out there acting as if she’s 25 years old. She’s still trying to navigate the sexual and dating minefields. In the end she’s trying to show everyone (but really herself) that she’s still “got it”; that she can still arouse a man sexually. It is all really about self aggrandizement. It is all about self- validation and affirmation. In the end, it’s all about Robin Korth. It’s pathetic and sad, really.

And no, Ms. Korth, your life is not the result of what you think about yourself. You are what you do. You are NOT what you think, read, or write. You are not what you were or what you’d like to be.

You are what you do. Period. Full stop.

And from The Difficulty of Gaming Women by Age Brackets by (the old) Roissy:

36 to 38 year olds

She is at peace with her spinsterhood and her failure in the dating market. She will acquiesce easily and gratefully to sex with very little game, as long as you don’t look like a grandpa. Her expectations are so low, it will be a challenge to disappoint her.

If you are prone to guilt, you might feel it when you inevitably dump a woman in this age range. Don’t. Remind yourself that her past is littered with her insouciant dumping of many beta men before you. You are merely an alpha agent of righteous karma.

Granted, Robin is well past the 38 year old mark by over 20 years, however even at 59 the description is still remarkably apt in light of Deti’s overview, however, the real lesson here is for men.

There comes (or should come) a certain empowerment for men after a point of maturation in life where he grows into an understanding of how the Game is played by women. As I’ve noted in the past month, this game, the former secret of women’s dualistic sexual strategy, is becoming more and more of an open secret amongst a feminine-primary culture becoming increasingly more assured of its primacy. If anything this plan for women’s optimizing hypergamy is just this side of proudly flaunting it to men.

As I pick my way through exactly this ‘plan’ in writing the next book, I’ve actually become less surprised by so many examples I find of this willingness with which women will overtly share their strategy for assuring short-term Alpha sexual desires during their SMV peak, and then consolidation on the security a Beta provider represents as their SMV decays beginning at around 30 years of age.

My purpose in writing this next volume of The Rational Male is to make men aware of just this life-schedule and sexual strategy, but even with my own efforts and the glaring willingness with which women will now confirm it, a larger whole of men simply don’t mature into this overall understanding.

For all the education the Red Pill represents for men, the larger blue pill whole simply don’t want to accept the ugly reality of women’s sexual strategy even when women openly confirm this for them – or when they do it’s too late for anything but pensive self-reproach and then signing the alimony/child support check anyway.

As this understanding becomes more widespread some social change will have to follow. Men will either become so pathetic as to ‘normalize’ it for themselves, and personally identify with what amounts to their open (proactive or reactive) cuckolding under women’s grossly overt championing of their Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks sexual strategy – or Men will come to the realization (hopefully sooner than later) that the fantasy of monogamous bliss based on a notion of intergender compromise and the ‘give & take’ (but mostly give) they were sold on was never in the best interests of feminine-primacy.

The Feminine Imperative was (and is) only ever concerned with men’s imperatives or male-specific priorities insofar as they align with the superseding, primary imperatives of women. Thus, as open hypergamy becomes more common and the truth of this duplicity and imbalance (really disinterest) of mutual sexual imperatives becomes more evident, men will again (as with Game) evolve methods and mentalities to consolidate on their own imperatives or simply live in denial of it all.

The Long Game

For almost 6 months I’ve had this post from Cail Corishev bookmarked. It’s an excellent driver for exactly this point: prior to the digital age men tended not to play a long game when it came to socio-sexual strategies. The short game is all that matters in the moment, and all that stimulates, but until the advent of digital forums where men could figuratively compare notes, most men were simply unable, and perhaps too distracted to ask the obvious questions about women’s hypergamy and how it plays out over the course of 10-30 years and the roles women expect men to play during those stages of their lives in order to accommodate their strategy.

In Cail’s piece he describes a woman he knew at age 30 and how attractive she was, and his consideration of starting a relationship with her. After a failing interest and 10 years of no contact, she reinitiated with Cail:

But while we were chatting, I saw some of her recent pictures, and whoa!  She’s gone from a 7-8 to maybe a 5, and that would be adjusted for age.  She hasn’t gotten fat, but that’s about the only positive note.  She looks so rough that I found myself wondering what I was thinking ten years ago, but I looked back at some old pictures, and she really was pretty at 30 — not a model or anything, but enough to turn heads.  Now she looks like she’s lived 20 hard years in 10.  She works nights at a pretty demanding job and has had some serious health problems, so I guess it’s no surprise, but it was really striking: ten years ago I ached for this girl, and now I wouldn’t look twice at her if I passed her in the grocery store.

That got me thinking about Rollo’s chart.  My own SMV, as far as I can tell, hasn’t changed much from mid-30s to mid-40s, just as his chart would predict.  I’m about the same weight, same build, maybe a little less hair, but I’d lost quite a bit of it already back then.  I’m not much better-off financially, but at least not worse, and I have more of a sense of direction in my life.  I’m certainly more confident, especially with women, and more established in my communities.  So some pluses and some minuses, holding steady at about the same level.  The amount of interest I get from women seems to support that.

She, on the other hand, going from 30 to 40, has gone from fertile to not likely.  She’s also a grandmother now, so instead of looking to start a new family, she’s focused (and rightly so) on helping her kids with theirs.  (If single moms don’t have much spare attention to give a husband, imagine the single mom of a single mom.)  An additional ten years of dating and relationships under her belt certainly doesn’t add to her appeal.  On top of those reasons, add the drastic decline in her looks, and now I not only don’t want to marry her, but as we chat I’m mostly thinking, “How soon can I politely say goodnight so I can get to sleep already?”  Harsh, but true.  Just as Rollo’s chart predicts, her SMV has been on a steady decline since we met — maybe more of a free-fall in her case — and now mine is well above hers.

I had a similar post to this I published back in December of 2011 – Protracted SMV:

It’s a simple matter to tell a guy he’s dodged a bullet in the cosmic scheme of things, but it’s altogether different to provably show him how he’s dodging it. For all the evils of facebook at least it gives him [men] an ability to see the forest for the trees, but the feminine can’t even afford him that. You must stay dumb, you must stay plugged-in for the feminine to maintain primacy. For all the benefits of a globally connected world, the feminine imperative expects you to accept a feminine-centric normalization of it.

What the Feminine Imperative fears is men becoming what Roissy terms Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma. Due to a lifetime of feminine conditioning, men tend to underestimate the leverage their SMV has in the context of women’s biological imperatives.

Pity for Reneé

I have a similar story to Cail’s. When I was a senior in high school I had a ‘friend‘ named Reneé, she was a gorgeous auburn-red head with a fantastic 17-18 year old body. We were good ‘friends‘ in the sense that it was clear I wasn’t ever going to see her naked and she had all of the personality trappings of a girl who knew she was attractive (she did modeling after high school), but also had the beginnings of a very self-important ego-invested feminist mind set.

I never really stayed in touch with her after graduation since by then I had moved on to women who enthusiastically reciprocated my interests and I moved along in life. It wasn’t until 2009 that I got on FaceBook and began having old friends look me up – Reneé was among the first. Very similar to the woman in Cail’s story we started to catch up with what the other had been doing through their 20s, 30s and now 40s.

As it turned out she was still fairly attractive for having had one daughter and never marrying the father, or any other guy for that matter. Most of the predictable single mommy issues and false-empowerment memes were bandied about by her, but the short version is here she was at 41 and her daughter was a year away from leaving for college. She was between jobs, but the one she had and the one she hoped to get were mediocre low to mid-management type, subsistence level employment.

She was and still is single 5 years later. The predictable questions about what my wife was like and how long we’ve been married came up, how we met, and where I’ve travelled in my work, etc. and I can honestly say I felt bad for her just recalling all of the life I’ve lived in the interim and basically forgot about her since high school.

She’s 46 now, and loves FaceBook as much as any aging spinster, but I really don’t want to call her that. In between the many pictures of her 4 cats (no lie) she occasionally posts some lament about how lonely she is now that her daughter has gone away to school and she comes home to an empty apartment these days. She makes not-so-subtle pleas to her FB community friends to set her up with ‘a great guy’ and all the dutiful Betas come out of the woodwork to tell her how pretty she (still) is and to keep her chin up and the right guy will “come along” – not so unlike the advice she gave me and at least half a dozen other guys I knew back in the day.

Reneé still clings to all of the feminist memes and mantras (reposts all the most popular), and complains of not being able to find a “great guy” anymore. This is of course infantile men’s faults for not manning up to her fem-correct standards, or else it’s a complaint about the ‘creepy’ men who really just want to bang her when she out with friends.

Unhappy Feminists

I hadn’t really ever considered using Reneé as a blog post subject until I read this article in Psychology Today:

According to a new survey released this month, your odds of winning the cash would increase if you skipped any 40-something, single female professionals and focused on the middle-aged male managers with one child at home and a wife who works part-time. In its Office Pulse survey, Captivate Network, a media solutions company, says its uncovered “profiles of the happiest and unhappiest workers.” And here it is:

  • Male
  • 39 years old
  • Married
  • Household income between $150,000 and $200,000
  • In a senior management position
  • 1 young child at home
  • A wife who works part-time

And the unhappiest profile?:

  • Female
  • 42 years old
  • Unmarried (and no children)
  • Household income under $100,000
  • In a professional position (doctor, lawyer, etc.)

Minus the professional status, essentially Reneé fits the profile for the most unhappy person in the western world today. Now, return back to Robin Korth’s comment, her life is the result of what she thinks of herself. What does this say about the decision making both she and Reneé have made in their lives?

I can’t say I have any sympathy for the likes of Korth, but for Reneé I do feel a pang of pity (in spite of Roissy’s advice for women of this age). For all of the accusations of red pill “misogyny” I genuinely do like women, and I’m not rooting for them to smash into the Wall. However I can see why my observations make this seem so – hard truths are often warnings that we don’t like to heed.

I often wonder if women of this profile aren’t as much victims of an ideological conditioning as Betatized men are over the course of their lives. Much of what’s resulted in Reneé’s life are the consequences of having (and still subscribing to) a mindset that’s based on equalist individualism, and she’s now beginning to reap what she’s sown – knowingly or not.

I don’t know the father of her daughter, but my red pill instincts (and knowing how hot she used to be) tell me the guy was likely a pump and dump Alpha bad boy. Reneé never struck me as the type to ‘settle’ on a Beta provider because she was too headstrong and independent® for that – she was certainly hot enough to attract the Alphas and independent enough to never consider a Beta for a relationship.

Observations

So my observation is this; while granting that women’s decisions are their own, and they should in all ways be accountable for the consequences that follow from them, how much of those decisions are based on a conditioning that promotes an idealized ideology of feminine, equalist independence?

For the same reason I can’t entirely fault a man with an internalized blue pill mindset over his conditioning, shouldn’t we also consider that women are likewise mislead by a similar influence? Are we (again) giving women too much credit for being rational independent agents under different circumstance?

For men’s part, it’s hardly avoidable that we become Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma by default for women in this cohort. Perhaps not as Alpha as we’re perceived, but as our SMV ascends in our 30s and (sometimes) through our 40s, it’s almost unavoidable that, even with a baseline of ambition, we’re seen as more desirable long term prospects.

In all honesty, were I to find myself single tomorrow, Reneé or women like her would never make my ‘to date’ list. Women love to complain that mature men really aren’t, and all they want is a young girl to fuck and coo for them. I would argue that men in my demo (at least should) have the depth of experience to know what the Feminine Imperative (and its social arm feminism) has bred and conditioned into women, and we honestly don’t want the hassle of dealing with it.

There is precious little reward for a man, and no appreciation, for having a big enough heart to save a woman from the consequences of her past decisions. That’s not meant as a callous punishment, just simple pragmatism.

As I stated in The Threat,

Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value to women.

When you’ve spent your whole life attempting to ‘have it all’ on your own, perhaps men can’t help but be an agent of Karma when that ‘all’ includes a man’s participation.

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Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

”I said that I don’t believe dancing in a g string inspires respect” Actually, it does.The woman who is natural about her sexuality is refreshing. Way too many women pretend to be decent human beings, only to stab their boyfriends and husbands on the back. Women as a general rule pretend to be attracted to good men. They are not. Women are attracted to good-looking men, mass-murderers or not, the men with great looks bang to their heart’s content. I have met many a scoundrel who was always had feminine company and I’ve met many good men who did the… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

”The truth is, while a women can be ok financially by herself, most women simply hate hate hate working. So, the idea that providers have lost their appeal is false. It just takes about 10 years to realize that their husbands and fathers weren’t having a party at work all this time. But, as you say, provider appeal is not the same as lustful desire.” Haha, my mother was a beauty in her time. She had men throwing themselves at her, very good-looking man, yet she married my father. My father wasn’t a made man, he didn’t have any money… Read more »

Evan
Evan
5 years ago

Yea men can at least learn to be attractive enough for beautiful women. Or at least a dude can make a shit load of money and get laid that way. Even if he’s fat or ugly. If a women is overweight or loses her looks somehow by being unhealthy or by aging, not much she can do. Plastic surgery looks like shit. After they lose their looks a bitchy attitude isn’t going to help them. While they have more fun than most men do when in their younger years, they can’t have too much fun or it could fuck up… Read more »

Kate
Kate
5 years ago

If I were going to be a troll, I’d question whether you actually had any hair under that hat. The “problem,” Glenn, is that Rollo is part of an industry (doesn’t really matter where) that profits from, in this specific case, women’s drinking and debauchery. Then, here on this blog, he tries to help other men deal with “what women really are” while leaving out the part that he helped them on their way to being “what they really are.” He’s certainly not the only man in the world to not see his own role in things, but it strikes… Read more »

nikochoski
5 years ago

I am in my late 20s and starter to earn some money. For the first time I see with no effort whatsoever that the girls get attracted to me. I can only imagine how it is to grow up even more. Even now I get pursuit by single hot mum’s in their 20s who want me to settle down. Which I of course refuse. In my eyes their attempts seem desperate, I can only imagine the desperation increasing more through the years as their SMV decreases further. It’s not that settling down is the enemy but I honestly think that… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

PVH: ”I said that I don’t believe dancing in a g string inspires respect”

Actually, it does.The woman who is natural about her sexuality is refreshing.”

Well, perhaps the Magic Mike performance inspires respect in women more “natural about their sexuality” than I.
Not my type of thing.

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

Just to add:

I’m throwing out a guess that the performers do not dress as janitors or in pajamas complete with remote control and ‘beer hat’. So I suspect the enthusiasm has more to do with the illusion of watching a fit, “soldier” or “doctor” or “fireman” or “policeman” ….and so forth, stripping down for them. Not just “WOW! I’m so overwhelmed with respect because he’s dancing naked(ish)…this is an actual, paying job!”

George
George
5 years ago

Ok Kate my love… “Rollo is part of an industry (doesn’t really matter where) that profits from, in this specific case, women’s drinking and debauchery. Then, here on this blog, he tries to help other men deal with “what women really are” while leaving out the part that he helped them on their way to being “what they really are.”…. Really? Really? Really “are”? Do you really think “Rollo” intended to “profit” from all this and “assisted” women he’s known in their debauchery? Or is he simply a man with normal instincts that all normal men have and the women… Read more »

George
George
5 years ago

Kate my love (and despite what you may think I do mean it)…. She said, “Don’t worry, baby”, when she left me “You were alright on your own before I came along And made this happy home” “And you can take that damned up guitar Pack it up and hit the road After all you’re probably better off alone” So I grab that old guitar and hit the high way It doesn’t take too long to pack When an empty seat holds everything you own And I’ve found comfort knowing Within moments notice I could roll After all I’m probably… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
5 years ago

@ Kate – Bryan Caplan of GMU studied how people’s understanding of basic economics varies by sex, and the results were astonishing. Women (in the U.S.), on average, have the same understanding of the basics of economics as adolescent boys. And, in fact, their comprehension DECREASES with more education while for men it increases as they get older and receive more education. For fun, I started asking women questions like, “What is money?” “How do free markets work?” and the answers I got back were mostly stunningly stupid, and not a single one could provide a correct answer to either… Read more »

Kate
Kate
5 years ago

@George luv: “Or is he simply a man with normal instincts that all normal men have and the women he’s known and knows are just women with normal instincts also.” If participating in orchestrating events where women drink and watch strippers is normal, please tell me the last time you did it. @Rollo: You’re buttering your bread on both sides. You don’t care about making women better human beings? Then what you’re also saying is that you don’t care about men having a better choice of woman. You’re poisoning the well and then selling the antidote. And no amount of… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
5 years ago

@ Liz – Oh yeah, you insipid dingbat, “disrespect” means lack of respect. If you lack respect for men dancing in g-strings in public, prancing around luridly, you “disrespect” them. You should try actually looking a word up before you deign to correct someone’s use of a word. .

It’s also a typically cunty female move to try and play semantic games to evade taking responsibility for what you so clearly meant by what you said. Doesn’t fly here through. Grow up and act like an adult instead of an 8 year old girl.

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

Kate – “You don’t care about making women better human beings?”

Since when is it any man’s job to make women, or any woman, better “human beings”? Or or hat matter to “care”? Why can’t women make themselves better human beings?

Oh… That’s right, I forgot. Women have no agency therefore any failings can be laid at the feet of all men. Far be it for men to expect, let alone think capable of women to ever have impulse control, see the possible pitfalls of their choices or accept responsibility or their actions.

jf12
jf12
5 years ago

re: making better. It’s easy enough to define “making better” as “making behave better”. And I demand the stipulation that by “behave better” we must mean “treat the men in their lives better” at the very least. Now, I further insist on the empirical fact that the worse I treat women, the better they treat me, and vice versa. I’ve never noted *any* divergence from this trend. I’m now thoroughly disgusted with this effect of men’s badness on women, and with myself for enjoying it temporarily. So, from these facts, what do you conclude about men making women better? Loading...

Siirtyrion
Siirtyrion
5 years ago

@jf12 As usual, you fail to see the big picture here. Attractive qualities in another mate (regardless of’ lousy pickings’) still have a greater chance of reproductive success simply because they have a greater ability to attract mates. Attractive masculine secondary characteristics are not only signs of good genes (due to immune-competence during development in spite of its inherent challenges) but these traits were also so successful in our nature’s past, that women heavily select for men with these characteristics near and during ovulation (when she’s more likely to get pregnant). Compound this with the fact that women also orgasm… Read more »

George
George
5 years ago

Kate… “If participating in orchestrating events where women drink and watch strippers is normal, please tell me the last time you did it.” I’m not sure if you are referring to only specifically women drinking and watching other people strip or stripping themselves. However the best answer to your question is the last time I visited a strip bar (this is the only form of “participating in orchestrating events”) was about 1992, probably late spring. The women were enjoying themselves and the men, some women were intoxicated and or high. The men were not forcing them to do it. Some… Read more »

George
George
5 years ago

Glen… Go ahead and get angry over this before you read it…… “Women (in the U.S.), on average, have the same understanding of the basics of economics as adolescent boys” This is also true for men. Economics is not as complicated as some “experts” pretend and confuse it and most men also don’t understand it. Often “education” amounts to a lot of bullshit heaped on bullshit. “Supply doesn’t create demand – supply meets demand”. Supply damn well DOES create demand. We have a saying in the home construction industry and it is mostly true, “Built it and they will come”.… Read more »

George
George
5 years ago

Kate… You addressed to Rollo with, “You’re poisoning the well and then selling the antidote.” Rollo didn’t poison the well. the well was “poisoned” with men’s frustration, disillusionment, angst, hope and fear long before Rollo. Rollo only provides some objective reflection of what men see when they peer into the well. He is not responsible for the reactions here. His writings are intended to and can help some men “grow up”, understand themselves & the world better, and live more fulfilling lives for themselves and others around them especially women around them. The only fresh water is new insight. Loading...

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

Glenn: “@ Liz – Oh yeah, you insipid dingbat, “disrespect” means lack of respect. If you lack respect for men dancing in g-strings in public, prancing around luridly, you “disrespect” them. You should try actually looking a word up before you deign to correct someone’s use of a word. . It’s also a typically cunty female move to try and play semantic games to evade taking responsibility for what you so clearly meant by what you said. Doesn’t fly here through. Grow up and act like an adult instead of an 8 year old girl.” Definition of respect: To feel… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

Adding for clarity: “It’s also a typically cunty female move to try and play semantic games to evade taking responsibility for what you so clearly meant by what you said.”

I don’t know what semantic games you are referring to. What I said is precisely what I meant.

jf12
jf12
5 years ago

ew: “these traits were also so successful in our nature’s past” that every man is now attractive. Right?

I’ve come to know, and hate, the fact that the men who tended to reproduce most in “our nature’s past” were the most violent and abusive and bad towards women.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

‘@Rollo: You’re buttering your bread on both sides. You don’t care about making women better human beings? Then what you’re also saying is that you don’t care about men having a better choice of woman. You’re poisoning the well and then selling the antidote. And no amount of deflection is going to change that. How about offering the men what they really want: fresh water.” Aren’t you a woman? What could you possibly know what I want? I want women to work construction. I want women to be forced to give their name up to the draft to be able… Read more »

jf12
jf12
5 years ago

Women’s irrational contempt of men, most especially unattractive men, is the cause of most relationship problems, and the vast majority of divorces. Any long-term wife invariably disrespects her loving husband. Women disrespect a good man *much* more than any brutal bad thug. It’s never the good man’s fault, ever, at all, in any way.

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

^ Women only see Brad Pitts as men. To them, every other guy is a work drone. Women treat men like we’re hammers and nails: utility tools for when they want or need something. You think they give $ to the sucker who stops his car in the middle of nowhere to give assistance to women? I’ve seen men waste hundreds of euros on average-looking women and the guys weren’t even bad-looking, its just that vagina is a very expensive commodity and only the best-looking men get it for free. Although with the amount of time men spend inside a… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

jf12, Its kinda hilarious to read her posts, ain’t it? Yes, women do marry men who aren’t strongly masculine-looking, and they also marry men who aren’t rich. Thing is, women marry the men who want to marry them. Women don’t marry the men they want. The men they want can sleep with much younger women and that’s what they do. And an extra paycheck even if its not much is still pretty good enough for most women. Women can also divorce their sucker a few years into their marriage and collect 18 years of child-support and alimony. Not that bad.… Read more »

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
5 years ago

The brilliance of the culture wars is that you must engage in the racket to play, when the inferior is institutionalised as the superior there is no option but to pay the Pied Piper to play. Hyperagamy is real, big deal so is the predilection for fats and sugars but when there is nothing to eat but fat and sugar what else is a man to do. Do the culture warriors hate the manosphere? Heck no, it’s simply the antithesis, game, pump n dumps, MGTOW, delayed family formation and hedonism is music to their ears. There are only two options,… Read more »

LiveFearless
5 years ago

Seven seasons of “Californication” …

Tam the Bam
Tam the Bam
5 years ago

“In my opinion, it might bring your website a
little bit more interesting.”

Why in the world would anyone want that?

Glenn
Glenn
5 years ago

@ George – You nicely demonstrate a feature of averages. Just because you are a man, that doesn’t mean you don’t misunderstand economics. Your comment about the construction industry merely shows that you are ignorant of economics. Let me slow it down for you like I did for Kate. Question: Has any builder ever built a housing development and not been able to sell the houses? If so, how could that happen, given your certainty that supply creates demand? And why do builders research where to build at all then? I mean, if you can just build it and voila,… Read more »

Different T
Different T
5 years ago

I respect female strippers just as much as any other women. But I don’t grant any women pedestal status anymore so it’s not that I’ve increased my respect for strippers, but rather that I realize women are all “strippers” – it’s just that some are better at it and more honest about it than others.

LOL.

The wailings of a deceased brain.

LOL.

LiveFearless
5 years ago

In real life, Rollo is the best in the world at what he does. It’s taken a lifetime of work intentionally improving his talent and skills in his specific expertise. That’s why the brands seek him. To explain in too much detail would reveal his identity. That’s not going to happen. Asking Rollo to consider his own role in things is as absurd as asking Ashton Smith to consider his own role in things. The most watched movies in the U S usually have movie trailers with one of a few voices. The top voice in that realm is Ashton… Read more »

LiveFearless
5 years ago

The only thing that I see that is distinctly different about me is I’m not afraid to die on a treadmill. I will not be out-worked, period. You might have more talent than me, you might be smarter than me, you might be sexier than me, you might be all of those things you got it on me in nine categories. But if we get on the treadmill together, there’s two things: You’re getting off first, or I’m going to die. It’s really that simple, right? You’re not going to out-work me. It’s such a simple, basic concept. The guy… Read more »

LiveFearless
5 years ago

The professional learns to recognize envy-driven criticism and to take it for what it is: the supreme compliment. The critic hates most that which he would have done himself if he had had the guts.

― Steven Pressfield, The War of Art…

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.”
-Winston Churchill

redpillsetmefree
5 years ago

Only Apex Alpha males like JFk and Schwarzenegger don’t get cheated on.

Yeah, no:
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/09/02/maria-shriver-cheated-on-arnold-schwarzenegger-too-report-says/

kfg
kfg
5 years ago

“Should Ashton Smith consider ‘his own role in things’ . . .? No.”

Partrick McGoohan turned down the offer to play Bond because he believed you are wrong.

LiveFearless
5 years ago

@kfg Yes, that’s what the publicity has stated.

Super talent Patrick McGoohan became a household name and the highest paid actor in Britain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_DRXAf0iGI&feature=youtu.be&t=2m59s

Interesting article from Wired:
http://www.wired.com/2009/01/the-prisoner-re/

LiveFearless
5 years ago

@kfg, In 1977 Patrick McGoohan said, “we’re run by television”

He continued acting professionally for another 25 years (until 2002).

The consumer, not the artist, decides whether the consumer consumes.

Character counts.

BlackPoisonSoul
5 years ago

@deti Feminists, a la Sheryl Sandberg and “Lean In”, have gone public with AFBB because they can. They know what they’re doing and are conscious of it. They feel free to be open about it because the FI is now enshrined in law, customs, practices, culture, and judiciary. AFBB is now “normative”. Women speak openly about it is because they honestly believe it’s not hurting or injuring anyone – or at least it doesn’t hurt anyone who doesn’t deserve it. And to her way of thinking, nobody’s getting hurt because everyone else is doing it. And if someone does get… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

Livefearless, I’m not sure acting is a very good analogy here. Actors often do choose their parts to fit their personal belief systems and agendas, especially after they are famous and influential enough to choose what they. They’re often pretty candid about it, and proud of that influence, too…though on the flip side, they sometimes also try to obfuscate responsibility if and when the project negatively impacts their career (example Billy “it was just a paycheck” Zane following Wolves in Iraq…or perhaps that was Gary Busey). At any rate, people go to Reno and Vegas to watch shows and I… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
5 years ago

@ Liz – How perfect that you cite that drunken, hateful, imperialist, warmongering racist, Winston Churchill. Sounds like a great role model for you. Tell me though, why do you call post-wall women who want to watch hot, naked men prance around “Old Slatterns”? Are you some Christian type of Puritanical ninny who doesn’t understand how out of step those “values” are with the reality of human civilization and sexuality? Fyi, that is slut and age shaming, nicely done. Tell us, do you not like watching hot men prance around for you, teasing you and getting you all revved up?… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

You’ve mentioned that you were capable of making a half a million dollars in one year, Glenn. If that is indeed a legitimate claim, I must assume you are some sort of idiot savant.

jf12
jf12
5 years ago

re: Single Old Slatterns. Although I’ve never gone to any kind of strip show, I know many more women attend the usual shows featuring female strippers rather than male strippers. The vast majority of male strippers earn their money from gay shows, including of course Magic Mike himself.

I believe, and Rollo may have actual numbers, that the annual women attendance at male stripper shows is at most three orders of magnitude less than men attendance at female stripper shows.

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

I’ve attended female strip shows, never male ones. A lot of male dancers are gay. I see nothing manly in stipping down and gyrating suggestively…I like the male form, and would prefer to see it in private, or at least more dignified circumstances (naked and sitting like, ‘the Thinker’ would be far better than dancing around for a bunch of Single Old Slatterns). And I don’t think women who squeel at men undulating for them in a g string have any self respect whatsoever. I hate chest waxing too….what is up with that? Even men who look like Werewolves, they’re… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

We posted at the same time, Rollo.
I’m sure there is a large demand, in lots of places…that’s why it’s profitable, afterall. Not my type of thing, though

gregg
gregg
5 years ago

@Johnycomelately “There are only two options, to play or not to play and the moral man is in a bind. Individual men can’t affect change, so his choices are either to gracefully bow out, get burned or play the game.” The question is – what is a/moral here? Is it “moral” to provide, protect, to live more for others than for yourself? To sacrifice your very life, dreams, self, for the well being of others – be it your woman, children, or other people? Of course, we, men are conditioned that way by society, starting with our very mum, but..is… Read more »

gregg
gregg
5 years ago

I am pushing 40. I had my pick but I have never in my very life fucked ugly, stupid, arrogant or obese woman. As a young man I wondered…who would fuck these beasts? Poor little cunts..I pitied them. Than I saw it by my own eyes. I was shocked to say the least. My friends, intelligent, handsome, well educated and good men FUCKED them. They lived with them..they married them!!! They even had children with them. After years I met many of my friends in my law-office. I was shocked again! These ugly cunts divorced and ass – raped them!… Read more »

LiveFearless
5 years ago

@Liz, that’s why I mentioned Ashton Smith. As it is with me, his credits aren’t listed on http://www.IMDb.com. He’s someone with that has ‘values’ and he’s a great Dad. So the analogy fits because he’s not as you say, a ‘Gary Busey’ – I know Gary, and the publicity magic works for him … Ashton Smith and Rollo are artists that are the most sought after in the U S in what they do. They’ve earned the freedom from having to play roles when not doing their art. You’re correct, this is different from famous actors that are household names… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
5 years ago

@ Liz. I couldn’t agree more – this is like trying to have a reasoned and fact based conversation with a spoiled, 8 year old girl who’s chewing on her boogers. I only engaged you so you would demonstrate more of what Rollo discusses here, and you’ve done so perfectly. I couldn’t have asked for more, so thanks.

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

Livefearless, I’m not very familiar with Rollo’s work, but familiar enough to agree that he’s a sharp guy with a lot of insight.

Atticus
Atticus
5 years ago

@Glenn: Let me slow it down for you like I did for Kate. Question: Has any builder ever built a housing development and not been able to sell the houses? If so, how could that happen, given your certainty that supply creates demand? Not to get too esoteric, but supply does create demand. It’s called Say’s Law and is the basis for supply side economics versus Keynesian Demand side economics. Say wrote in the 1700’s: “It is production which opens a demand for products…Thus the mere circumstance of the creation of one product immediately opens a vent for other products.”… Read more »

jf12
jf12
5 years ago

re: moral. gregg asks “Is it “moral” to provide, protect, to live more for others than for yourself? To sacrifice your very life, dreams, self, for the well being of others – be it your woman, children, or other people?” Yes, that self-sacrifice is a good definition of what it means to be moral. Not that it helps the man, in this life. Paul makes that abundantly clear in 1 Cor 15:19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. The literal translation of “we are of all men most miserable”… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

”Of course, if women were really into this sort of thing there’s be as much male porn for women as female porn for men. And Mr Grey would do a lot of table dancing.” Nearly half of the heterosexual mainstream porn is consumed by women. Women top the consumption of romantic literature which has the male characters be all tall, handsome, rich and Byronic. Look at the twilight phenomenon. Millions of mothers screaming for #Team Edward. Women younger than 25 only care about a man’s appearance, women older than 25 are in wallet-seeking mode and marry men they aren’t attracted… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

”“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” -Winston Churchill” I had the feeling you were old, but damn grandma! You kinda expect young men to pick up their pitchforks and march against feminism, don’t ya? Let me guess, you have granddaughters and you don’t want to see them becoming pump and dumps of Alpha men, right? nah, you are only worried because the pool of eligible beta suckers is dwindling due to the economy and because young men have more resources available to them regarding female nature, far more than any other… Read more »

Glenn
Glenn
5 years ago

@ Atticus – It’s just one dickhead after another here, wow, how completely tiresome. I had stopped participating in most internet fora for these exact reasons, but let myself get sucked in again. My last post on this thread. For those of you following along at home, Says’ ideas about supply creating demand were rejected by Keynes in his General Theory and during the neo-classicist’s debates in the midcentury by most free market economists. But still, obscurantists and other half-smart motherfuckers shoot their mouths off. Any of you who want to play semantic games and learn distinctions with no difference,… Read more »

Badpainter
Badpainter
5 years ago

Gregg- “Even if a man is not “game aware”, attractive, or…succesfull as I am…he can do it. There is still the possibility, for each and every man with a half decent income, to use hot escorts for his sexual needs.” Didn’t you get the memo? Only the worst sort of Omega losers pay money for sex. There seems to be a bit of debate whether paying for sex is lower than MGTOW secular monasticism, but both are deeply frowned upon because the only measure of a real man is how many hot babes he fucks without handing over cash. Loading...

Dark Horse
Dark Horse
5 years ago

@Cr Looks like Ariana did find her badboy. With none other than rapper, Big Sean: http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/09/21/ariana-grande-big-sean-kiss-pda-pics-iheartradio-music-festival/ @Badpainter All men pay for sex in some way but direct payment for sex negotiates desire. Now, what if I were to tell you that ugly men and average men both negotiate desire through other means? This is where game comes in. As some commentators have noticed, game is transactional and I could see how it is negotiated desire in some ways. While the room to have a woman’s desire through game could become organic, I believe that it is forced. As a practitioner… Read more »

Liz
Liz
5 years ago

“You could also show some respect and not insult Glenn or any other poster.”

Stab at ironic self-deprecating sarcasm?

Don’t worry, in the future I won’t comment, I’ll just read the articles. If I wanted to converse with people who stoop immediately to insults and then completely lose their shit (good grief, Glenn) when called on it, I’d pick Jezebel.

Atticus
Atticus
5 years ago

@ Glenn – It’s just one dickhead after another here, wow, how completely tiresome…What I do for a living, Atticus, is help startup enterprise tech companies penetrate new markets with new products. And 90% or more of such companies that are started fail in the first 24 months. Of those that remain, another 90% or more won’t last 5 years. …So long. There are some great commenters here but the fuckwits ruin it.

Ouch. You seem bitter. Things must be tough with your startups at Inventhelp.com.

George
George
5 years ago

Glen… Thanks for your response and thoughts. “Money is a medium of exchange” This is only a very superficial and commonly “parroted” definition of money. Monkey see monkey do; parrot hear, parrot repeat, pop culture idiom. This definition only defines money in superficial terms from a purely reactionary perspective. It does not address the genesis of money, why money was invented in the first place and what it really is. Money is not merely a medium of exchange (It is also not “the root of all evil”.) Money was invented to facilitate freedom for individuals to specialize and cooperate. I… Read more »

George
George
5 years ago

Glen, I cannot refrain from explaining more about economics. you stated “Let me slow it down for you like I did for Kate. Question: Has any builder ever built a housing development and not been able to sell the houses? If so, how could that happen, given your certainty that supply creates demand? And why do builders research where to build at all then? I mean, if you can just build it and voila, they sell no matter what, well then, gee, why analyze demographics and comps etc? Are you getting the point yet, Georgey? Builders develop homes in areas… Read more »

George
George
5 years ago

Correction “We make OUR lives literally….”

Sorry for the typo.

George
George
5 years ago

Glen..

“What I do for a living, Atticus, is help startup enterprise tech companies penetrate new markets with new products. And 90% or more of such companies that are started fail in the first 24 months. Of those that remain, another 90% or more won’t last 5 years. …”

I wonder why….

Please explain why…

Who would have guessed?….

George
George
5 years ago

90% of 10% aren’t getting their moneys worth…..

Think the remaining 1% is lucky in spit of the FUCKWITZ ?!

George
George
5 years ago

Glen,

If you don’t know why you have all the correct answers to everything and why soooo many other people are sooo wrong, I know why……..

YOU ARE IN THE WRONG WORLD!!

gregg
gregg
5 years ago

@Badpainter “because the only measure of a real man is how many hot babes he fucks without handing over cash.” :))) THIS is precisely the reason of our own misery. Who said that? Roissy? Our mum? Society? Or is it our own definition? We are defined by .. ehm..pussy? We expect to become MEN that way? As a young man, I used to be attractive. I fucked many beuatiful chicks. Were I “real man”? NOPE, I was stupid, idiotic boy..living in my parents appartment, not knowing a shit about life, people or myself. Little animal. If we measure our manliness… Read more »

Professor Von Hardwiggs
Professor Von Hardwiggs
5 years ago

Top notch ^ Women put out in exchange of resources or in exchange of having a good-looking man they can brag to their girlfriends about. Women don’t select men based on love, as it doesn’t exist.

Glenn
Glenn
5 years ago

@ George, I’m sorry I can’t help myself. So, it was revealed a while ago that you are a vicious old man who hasn’t had a strange piece of ass in what – 40 years? And that you spout errant nonsense about being “alpha” nonstop. You were decimated in that thread and fell silent – did you forget that? I clearly established that you are a “web alpha”. living in history, not reality, and are full of an inchoate, feral rage which you simply can’t control. Now you are revealing what a complete buffoon you are with respect to economics.… Read more »

Johnf956
Johnf956
5 years ago

Enjoyed examining this, very good stuff, thankyou. Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. by Euripides. ekddafdfedka

givingabundance
5 years ago

Deti – 9/16 at 9:29am and 9:54am – women need to understand this in these precise, stark terms. You’re exactly right.

givingabundance
5 years ago

Kate struck a nerve. It’s impossible to cling to some form of religiosity, even if you simply term it ‘non-religious Christianity’, and live in ‘that world’. She’s right, you can’t have it both ways. Glenn and Rollo have gotten awfully defensive here. I’m late to the conversation, but the women (Liz + Kate) make valid assertions. That being said, what Deti and Rollo have articulated here is brilliant – a deeper level of the truth of hypergamy explicated.

Judo-chop
Judo-chop
5 years ago

I have to admit, seeing my ex, now 40, all fat, bloated face, huge arse. Childless, husbandless. It gives me a warm cuddly feeling. I’ve seen several of my former girlfriends become this. It’s enjoyable.

Driver
Driver
5 years ago

As always, good stuff here. This site and ROK have provided much wisdom for myself and hopefully for many younger guys who are “up and coming”. Learn it and live it, guys.

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Seething Lurker
Seething Lurker
5 years ago

When I married my wife, she was 120 lb twenty eight year old smoke show that wouldn’t have given me the time of day in her younger heyday. I’ve been married 16 years. About twelve years ago, after our first child, my wife blew up. Beta blue pill me tried subtle hints; gently talking about it; leading by example; even stronger conversations; and just plain old screaming matches that her weight gain was disrespectful and killing our sex life. Nothing worked. I was a member of a fat spouse website where we all whined about our porky significant others. One… Read more »

Major Styles
3 years ago

Every now and then. I start feeling a tinge of pity for the hundreds of Renees I know.

But then, the heartless bastard in me comes to the surface just in time to save the day. It’s a save, like Willy Mays snatching a home run from the center field wall.

ollieoxenfree1
3 years ago

“I often wonder if women of this profile aren’t as much victims of an ideological conditioning as Betatized men are over the course of their lives. Much of what’s resulted in Reneé’s life are the consequences of having (and still subscribing to) a mindset that’s based on equalist individualism, and she’s now beginning to reap what she’s sown – knowingly or not.” My tears may never dry. But in all seriousness, women are intuitive in a way men aren’t. Women are fully aware of the consequences of their actions. They’re too careful (calculating) in their thinking, not to be. But… Read more »

ollieoxenfree1
3 years ago

*she’d find other subtle ways of massaging your ego, too.

I really wish there was an editing feature on here.

My Nibba
My Nibba
1 year ago

Rollo, you’ve always been my “realest” Uncle. Thanks man.

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