Before you hurl in disgust, watch this TED episode to the end. It’s important you do since the real meat of what Cameron Russel discusses here is towards the end. It’s very easy to dismiss her musings here as just another pretty girl suffering from liberal white privilege guilt, but what she’s driving at here is an inversion of the body (fat) acceptance movement.
Today’s topic comes courtesy of Burrough’s SoSuave forum thread, and after watching this video I felt there was a lot of interconnected gender and social issues being danced around. I have no doubt Cameron is one of the more intellectually developed ‘super models’ of the past decade or so, but her apologetic observations here are only effective because she aligns them with what she knows will be received well from a fem-centric audience.
PlayHerMan had the best comment from that thread which puts her message into context before I go any further:
Well most attractive women don’t start to really understand how the world works until they start losing their looks. Most of them are truly oblivious to the fact that their looks have opened probably 95% of the doors in their lives. I’m guessing the chick in the video was oblivious too when she was 22. This is why she is talking about it NOW and not THEN. If you told her this crap back then she probably would have called BS.
Now that she is past her “prime” she has realized her looks meant everything in her life. Once her looks deteriorate, she will be tossed out of the industry like yesterday’s donuts and be invisible to most men of dignity.
Once the bloom of youth starts to fade and stuff starts to sag.. its a real wake-up call for most women. For the first time in their lives everyone is not kissing their ass. For the first time in their lives they have to pay a speeding ticket. For the first time in their lives they actually have to be qualified or connected to get a job. For the first time in their lives, men are not drooling over them. For the first time in their lives they face the harsh reality that all men face from adulthood onward = Be useful or perish.
Entitled women who figure this out early get knocked up ASAP so they can mooch off the state as an insurance policy should they not find a willing man to serve them financially.
If you spend your life in delusion exploiting men and thinking you can live that way forever, its a harsh wake up call when you find yourself in your 40’s with no skills, no money, no kids and no men to take care of you. Scary stuff.
PlayHerMan gives us a good point of origin here. Cameron is having her ‘come-to-Jesus’ moment in that, while she’s still attractive as she’s aged, she sees the Wall for what it is finally and requires some sense of catharsis, some degree of absolution, for having lived in (willful?) obliviousness of it for so long. She knows full well that the majority of the womyn in a TED audience will likely have gone through various stages of hating women exactly like her in their upbringing. She also knows that at some stage she’ll gradually have to join their ranks in a post-Wall existence and needs to make the peace with them in order to coexist in their own phase of life.
For their own part, these women living on the outside of beauty, in the context Cameron represents to them, even the most staunchly intellectual amongst them wants to feel some sort of kinship with her. These are the women who’d hack up in disgust at commercials with the message “don’t hate me because I’m beautiful”, but when Cameron delivers the same message in a more intellectually palatable way, they embrace her surrender to the greater sisterhood. The hate her, but they love her.
The Genetic Celebrity
Cameron Russel is correct in one assertion, she did win a genetic lottery, contextually speaking. She’s been too insulated in her own version of model’s girl-world to really have pause to think any deeper about beauty and the biological associations with it beyond what’s served her feminine solipsism. She acknowledges the genetic aspect of beauty, but only insofar as she’s experienced the utility of it in her very insular model’s world. To her, beauty is just the luck of the draw. Maybe a woman can enhance herself with cosmetic surgery and maintaining her diet, exercise, etc. but for a girl who already benefits from natural good looks and a high metabolism at an early age, you can hardly expect her to develop the insight to see beauty beyond fate or luck.
As with most women in search of a rationalization for the unforgiving brutality of their genetic draw (or inability to build upon it), she predictably resorts to the beauty-as-social-construct feminist trope. It’s interesting that even former supermodels will embrace feminist boilerplate when it serve their interest better than their looks used to. You see, it’s not that you’re not beautiful it’s that the patriarchy society has perverted beauty into what’s commercially applicable.
While this fem-centric rationale serves to assuage many an HB4’s sexless Alphaless existence, there is one kernel of truth to it. It’s not that men respond to a prefabricated social norm for beauty, it’s that we tend to idealize certain biological templates for beauty. In Why Men Are The Way They Are Dr. Warren Farrell describes this idealized female as a Genetic Celebrity. This is the girl that most closely resembles what a teenage boy sees as his dream girl. She is the one who in real life best matches the Playboy Centerfold, the SI Swimsuit Model, the TV personality, etc. who turns him on. This is just the surface level idealization, however, the degree of idealization becomes further compounded with layers of idealized personality, a woman’s sincerity, an emotional connection, sexual availability, and a host of other attributes is added as a man matures.
That said, in the beginning, the Genetic Celebrity is what most boys start with. Show me a guy with really bad ONEitis and I’ll show you a guy who’s psychologically sold on her being his Genetic Celebrity ideal on some level of consciousness. For myself it’s easy, I love pretty blondes with flat stomachs, long legs, perfect small asses and mediumish tits. Back in the 80’s Heather Locklear was my teenage Genetic Celebrity template. Since then I’ve experienced a variety of different women, but by far the most common recurrence of woman in my LTRs, including the evil BPD, and yes, Mrs. Tomassi, have followed this Genetic Celebrity template.
I think it’s very important for men to recognize this preferential template in themselves. I don’t think it’s inherently a bad thing, but it can predispose a Man to make bad decisions, relinquish frame or develop ONEitis to make that dream girl come true for himself despite the dangers she may represent.
While I can’t pinpoint it now, I think there may be a vestigial, psychological purpose to a man developing a genetic template for his idealized mate. Sex sells for obvious reasons, and commercialization of sexuality picked up on this long ago, but the added bonus for commercial interests is the compulsive tendency for men to imprint that template in their psyches.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that this template is the result of it being manufactured for men – this is feminism’s rationalized ego salve – the associations a guy must make to elevate a woman to Genetic Celebrity status are founded upon the environmental sexual cues that we evolved long ago. In other words the reason Heather Locklear was my template, instead of Rosy O’ Donnell, was due to her physique aligning with what my hard-wired sexual response found arousing. If it were true that beauty is a social construct, then it would stand to reason that with enough social reengineering the Rosy O’ Donnells of the world end up becoming Genetic Celebrities. The lie in this, and in Cameron’s beauty analysis, is the genetic part of the description; it’s the biomechanics that make beauty in the first place.
“Be useful or perish.”
If women had any sense of reality…they would know that looks, their womb, and motherly instincts are the only useful things of value they have. They wouldn’t abuse those things like they do all the time.
Great post sir, I watched this video on CNN couple of days ago. Before finding of your blog, I would have tended to ‘understand’ her ‘pain’ but this time I wasn’t having any of it. I was sad due to my girlfriend dumping me for another guy. And just couldn’t move on. I was on Yourbrainonporn.com and there some guy just left a link of your website. Thank God I clicked it. There was no other way I would have found out the reality. How many relationships, how many years of depression (medical) you have removed from my life. Thanks… Read more »
Intelligence and a lot of other traits are also genetic lottery. Then you work to make the best out of them. I wonder if she would make a similar conclusion that being intelligent / successful is an evil social construction.
“I get free things for how I look not who I am”. So who exactly gets free stuff for who they are? if you belong to a powerful family or have status, that’s still not who you are. If you’re the CEO of some big company or have influence or famous for something you did, that’s still not who you are. We can complain about the superficiality of things, but superficiality is all we have when dealing socially. People bend to power. Beauty is power so people bend to it. Is she suggesting we strip women from their beauty power,… Read more »
First of all, I have to thank you Rollo, for opening my eyes. Your blog has helped my life, not only in the sex front, but in general, more than I can put words to. This post gave birth to a rather interesting question: Does the type of Genetic Celebrity template that you’re hard-wired to tell or indicate something about you, in the sexual context or otherwise? I mean, does your sexual preference, be it thin, athletic, chubby or anything in between, tell something about you?(I’m leaving out the fringe groups of superfat, skeleton and roidmonster, since I just can’t… Read more »
Could it not really be said of virtually all men from adolescence on no matter how handsome or ugly, socially adept or as socially inept, etc. BE USEFUL OR PERISH while most women from adolescence to young adulthood do not experience this harsh reality that men do? I readily admit some women because of their beauty are given more passes and better passes than others. Even after women hit the wall and are quite old, they on average seldom experience the unrelenting, un-repenting with no recourse harsh realities that men do from the beginning. Treat an average woman half as… Read more »
Ugggghh, this lady is horrible. Can I put this in the same category of a rich man telling a poor beggar that ‘Money doesn’t buy happiness”? What’s so wrong with I was blessed with great looks and I used them to gain an advantage? I didn’t see Shaq telling people he won the genetic tall lottery and is ashamed that he made it as a star in the NBA and that short men are equally viable in the athletic realm. Women are simply not happy no matter what their circumstances. LOL. It just seems that this lady used this talk… Read more »
Model: “I got these free things because of how I look, not who I am.”
Phinn: “How you look IS who you are, Cameron.”
“Men have a much greater tendency to have no one care about what their problems, heartaches and even their human worth are.” This is sadly true.
“For the first time in their lives they face the harsh reality that all men face from adulthood onward = Be useful or perish.”
Those messages start in infancy.
For young girls: Be careful. Don’t hurt yourself.
For teen girls: You can be anything you want to be.
For adult women: You can be and do anything you want, with whomever you want, wherever you want.
For young boys: Don’t do that. Don’t go there.
For teen boys: Follow the rules. Don’t buck the system.
For adult men: Be useful or perish.
TED talks have really gone downhill. It would have been more useful if this model simply came out and said, “Don’t do what I did, make yourself useful to society, be productive.” But the ladies still don’t get that, they still obsess over the most genetically lucky of themselves and try to tear down the pretty and uplift the ugly. Instead of judging themselves by their use, they continue to judge themselves by their SMV and try to artificially unbalance the SMP to alleviate their non-problem. This model strikes me as someone who while well-spoken, really has absolutely no clue… Read more »
This video is a perfect example of self-promotion.
It is fantastic, and it will work great for Cameron future.
Kudos for the one who got the idea to get her on TED.
But still her statements are simply false.
Nice to watch, though 😀
Interesting side note: whenever I publish posts about body image (even ‘Looks’ posts pertaining to men) female commenters feel it’s incumbent upon them to defend the NAWALT position. For instance, when I put up The New Thin, Shallow and Women’s Physical Standards female lurkers came out of the ether to tell all the men how horrible we were for endorsing “superficial” male nature. My guess is the reflex to this video will be about Cameron’s intrinsic virtues and how she’s a victim of horrible male superficiality. She’s what they imagine themselves to be, hot and smart, so they’ll defend her… Read more »
Then tell them women are horrible for endosing “superficial” female nature…such as going after the best available man to them.
Once they deny this…tell them women should be clamoring to get married to the most crazy, dirty, homeless bum there is. Once this happens…maybe I’ll give fatty a second look.
Did anyone notice how bad her jokes were? They were painful. But a beautiful woman does not need to cultivate a sense of humor.
Also she is not smart.
This model refers to herself as winning the “genetic lottery” to describe her so-called “achievement” as a model. However, the term actually describes the favorable treatment society tends to afford all women–be they models are not–due to the female role in reproduction. Once again, biology is a strong (though not exclusive) determinant of our social values. Models, like this one here, on the cover of Vogue are simply on the far end of the genetic lottery continuum (the PowerBall winners?) due to their possessing so many biological markers of reproductive success. Her adoption of the phrase, “genetic lottery” and applying… Read more »
“As with most women in search of a rationalization for the unforgiving brutality of their genetic draw (or inability to build upon it), she predictably resorts to the beauty-as-social-construct feminist trope. It’s interesting that even former supermodels will embrace feminist boilerplate when it serve their interest better than their looks used to. You see, it’s not that you’re not beautiful it’s that the patriarchy society has perverted beauty into what’s commercially applicable.” See also: Ashley Judd. When she was young and hot and the world was her oyster not a feminist peep out of her. But when that wall got… Read more »
The contrast between what women are provided with as opposed to men is drastic. This is a much broader issue than this model’s guilt over her success. A conclusion I’ve come to in the past couple years is: a woman crying gets support while a man crying gets shunned. A woman crying is still biologically valuable. She still has a vagina and a uterus. She could still successfully cary and care for a child. Thus she is embraced and supported by the tribe. A man crying is a liability. His crying will alert the predatory animals and invading gangs to… Read more »
…..A conclusion I’ve come to in the past couple years is: a woman crying gets support while a man crying gets shunned. Only to an extent. A crying women will elicit support and sympathy from men only if she is young and beautiful. Otherwise she is just an irritation that needs to be shut up, A crying woman will elicit support and sympathy from women only if she belongs to the same “tribe” as the woman offering support and sympathy. Will a crying old black woman get any sympathy from a young white chick ? Not so much. Men are… Read more »
“You see, it’s not that you’re not beautiful it’s that the society has perverted beauty into what’s commercially applicable.” That’s the feminist view (the female view in general, really) in a nutshell. It’s not the idea of being judged by one’s sexual attractiveness that they object to; it’s the idea that any woman, anywhere. might be weighed in the balances and found wanting by any man she finds attractive. Women reserve their right to tell unattractive men that they aren’t good enough to be with them, but they HATE HATE HATE it when the men they find attractive assert their… Read more »
Interesting. I personally believe this pushing of the beauty “drug” is done more by business interest and women themselves (who usually have an interest in the beauty business/industry). It was my mother who kept getting on my case for not dollling myself up to look pretty for boys/men while it was my father who pushed me to achieve academically and otherwise. He felt it was best not to have to rely on anyone or at least be able to take care of myself in the event that I couldn’t find anyone to do so. That is just such a practical… Read more »
@Not Carrie Bradshaw
Of course you realize that you are presenting a woman’s perspective on my comment of my experiences and conclusions as a man.
“If it were true that beauty is a social construct, then it would stand to reason that with enough social reengineering the Rosy O’ Donnells of the world end up becoming Genetic Celebrities.”
Ha.
Women go giddy for alluring, cocksure men because they’ve been socially conditioned to swoon over the flashy badboy. America has been persecuting self-concious, male dullards for centuries and it’s time to end the intolerance.
Sounds like an ex-porn star who has found religion. Boo fucking hoo!
And almost as if on cue Jexebel ups the genetic ante:
http://jezebel.com/5985524/youre-lazy-and-hate-the-gym-because-god-and-science-made-you-that-way
Dontcha just love how angry girl-worlders get at men who have the temerity to write something like The Red Queen or Sperm Wars because they presume men reading and internalizing evolutionary principles relating to human sexuality will use it to justify their infidelity or carousing?
Then we read something like this and the utility is all the more useful.
“pretty blondes with flat stomachs, long legs, perfect small asses and mediumish tits…” THIS was EXACTLY the ‘Genetic Celebrity’ template that brought me low a few years back; drove me to despair, thence to Roissy, Roosh and then Rollo. What made it worse in hindsight was that she was a shallow, self-absorbed DC feminist… but I rolled beta, and badly. Up until a couple years ago I still had a thing for her, though faded and indistinct – even though I knew how bad she turned out to be for me, and furthermore that I’d absolutely never have anything more… Read more »
Great post and a great stack of comments. Just to clear something up, there is a substantial difference between a TED talk and a TEDx talk [which this talk is]. The TED talks are the ‘real deal’ and created with a lot of academic backup and committee review and I believe they are an ‘invitation only’ sort of affair. TEDx talks are community group based ventures that are allowed and encouraged to use the TED branding to lend these smaller scale talks, the credence and gravity of the ‘official’ TED talks. Essentially, anybody with a strong sense of their own… Read more »
First sentence of Jezebel article posted above:
“My whole life, I’ve loathed exercise.”
Author of said article:
http://vegnews.com/web/uploads/asset/1787/file/laurabeckVND.jpg
Lol.
^^^^^^^^ Holy Shit. These are the most privledged, entitled birds in the world. Basically if I get this right, her whole arguement is that some women aren’t as genetically good as the women that are blessed with athletism. Instead of accepting this fact and then doing the absolute best with what she’s got and through determination and grit achieving the success, she wants an excuse for why you shouldn’t have to workout. Also, it seems like she wants to have the same status as the women that workout because it’s not her fault that she wasn’t born with same genetic… Read more »
Have to link this in any Wall discussion, of course: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8qgv1l-CR4 And like I’ve said before, I WISH all I had to do was eat a healthy diet and go for a run every day, to have the world at my feet. I would be on that shit like a Jezebel writer on a cupcake. It’s mind-blowing when a girl actively refuses to do that and then bitches that she can’t land a guy who’s been forced since adulthood to compete and prosper physically, financially, emotionally, career(ically? lol), mentally, etc. with every other dude out there for scraps of attention.… Read more »
Great article, Rollo. I didn’t watch the video, but I did “read” (ha! ha!) my new Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition, and lock clockwork, the woman who most fit my template had me drooling in no time as she wore barely anything. It’s the way I’m wired, not going to apologize for it … and yes, I’ve dated some versions of her, not as nice, but similar template.
Excellent analysis! She got used and now wants to join the other side lol.
The whole idea that men are taught to prefer a certain type of woman by society is one of my favorite Feminist bits of nonsense, right up there with “gender is a social construct”. No one had to teach me to be attracted to healthy, fit, sweet, nurturing, feminine women with long hair – I worked it out all on my own. The boner doth not lie.
It seems there is no amount of obvious contradictory evidence that will dislodge the Feminist from their fantasy universe where they are owed everything they want without having to earn it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21320560?SThisFB
Figured this slots in gently with the theme of this blog.
So, all this plus the post from a couple of posts ago about losing something you had so invested in, is at the root of the murder case of the South African Bladerunner dude. Can someone take a stab at trying to frame what is going in there in Rollo language? MY opinion was the couple was at the 90 day mark and the girl just couldn’t deal with the no legs thing in a sexual manner. The celebrity of the man wore off and even though the girl wanted to make it work she couldn’t and had been withdrawing.… Read more »
How about we take Michael Jordon’s trophies and give them to Zach Galifianakis, you know considering how it was due to his winning the genetic lottery.
Rollo questions
Do women have the same concept of an imprinted ideal and is this the basic of the soulmate myth?
Also even though the majority of your relationships have with your imprinted ideal, given the tendency/probability/likelihood of fixation/oneitis/adolescent love patterns would you advise men to run the other way when they actually encounter this imprinted ideal? Or least to be aware of what they have on their hands and keep this person at emotional arm’s length because of the potential for emotional harm?
One more question At what age does this imprinting occur? I had a math teacher when I was a senior in high school. She was a tall, kind of brainy in a model sort of way, and she became my ideal and really to this day, my interest perks up over women taller than 5’9″. I mean I would go all oneitis sniper over this sort of tall girl. My most classic case of drooling betahood was over one that looked like Cybil Shepard. (Fortunately I got a clue fairly quickly and let it go) I am 6’3″ and I… Read more »
“Do women have the same concept of an imprinted ideal and is this the basic of the soulmate myth?”
I know this was directed to Rollo, but I enjoy the Minter Monologues. I’m guessing that he’ll say no as I think women are more malleable in what they find attractive. In an otherwise bad movie, there was one good concept from Runaway Bride: a woman sometimes doesn’t even know what kinds of eggs she likes. I’m curious to know how he will answer.
I read the SoSuave thread that was linked to tihs story. It’s interesting on that board (which I don’t frequent anymore) and all the apologists and calling guys “haters” for calling this woman out on her hypocrisy. PlayerHerMan — quoted in the initial story — had a good follow up comment. Here it is: ********************************************************************* So we should all give her a standing ovation for pointing out the obvious? Its not like she is saying something profoundly mind-blowing here. This is basic common sense that anyone who isn’t delusional can easily see. She is admitting she is “lucky”. Similar to… Read more »
I am about Mark’s age and what I say here may rankle some others, but here goes: the imprinting manifests itself when sexual maturation reaches the point where “the light comes on” and you melt when you see your template appear before you, whether in person or on-screen. For me it was age 15 in HS and it was a long-haired, slender, not-too-buxom, average-cute tall girl one row over. Never had a chance, but to be fair I wasn’t ready yet to handle what by HS standards was an HB8. That would come later. I am a firm believer that… Read more »
Okay okay, I’m with you in dismissing 99% of what she says under: beauty is genetic not cultural, female imperative, impending wall, ect. But isn’t it striking, those photos of her in the magazines vs her at the slumber party and playing soccer? What is going on there? I’m not saying that it supports any of her points, but it’s striking to see the degree to which the photos are manipulated. If girls are celebrated for ‘just being themselves’ (vs men who need to become useful), why do they mess with the images of her so much in the ads?… Read more »
Related:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/the-male-gaze-and-why-i-miss-it/article4098294/
Another woman laments her past and realizes it was good to be ogled at. Altho she dabbles in a few tropes about men being perfectly free to acquire younger women and discard the old wife (only in hollywood most of the time vs. real hypergamous dumping of husbands by majority of women) she still makes a few salient points about the wall.
The closing line is ‘deliciously’ priceless.
Why do women freak out with men dating/marrying younger women? I don’t care if older women date younger men? They always expect men to get upset if Demi Moore dates far younger. I don’t care, props to Demi (though she got dumped for a younger woman). Perhaps Demi — instead of wallowing in her grief apparently — should go out and snag some more younger men. Why not? I could care less who dates whom and who is dumping who for younger or older. Why is this such a big deal for women?
This is an old (1950’s or so) short story from the great Irwin Shaw (OK, I read a lot, majored in the humanities in college) … it’s the definitive husband-looks-at-women theme with wife getting on his case about it. The husband owns up and says he indeed does look like crazy, I think a sentence there is, “I have eyes and I use them” or something like that. He tells his wife that he loves her, but also loves to look and it doesn’t mean he doesn’t love her. The ending is priceless. (I once made the mistake of showing… Read more »
@Westcoaster Why do women freak out with men dating/marrying younger women? Older men generally have a higher value in the SMP. It is a direct threat to female SM power when a man waits until he’s 45 (when he has resources and success behind him), and then marries someone who is 25(which is what these women likely presume happened). This is nearly the inverse of the situation where a woman rides the carosel until she’s hit the wall, and then settles for a beta. In the perception of the ladies (mostly the older ladies who get upset) it’s simply a… Read more »
You pretend to be built and dressed like a bouncer – horseshit! Art school major, liquor bottle designer, guitar player of a failed metal band…do your yuppie co-workers feel threatened by your gangster appearance? Have your really figured out the nature of woman? Is that all – evo-psych and game (invented and perpetuated by shysters)? And what would you know about positive masculinity anyway – in your 20s you were a bad boy who appealed to strippers, pornstars and sluts – any girl with a Cluster B personality disorder. You’ve shown a contempt for religion and “covertly” wished those virgin… Read more »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LOL!!!!!!
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Ooooh!! Hark at her!!
heheh,..Mom?
Oh … this is going to get good!
@Butthurt You pretend to be built and dressed like a bouncer – horseshit! Art school major, liquor bottle designer, guitar player of a failed metal band…do your yuppie co-workers feel threatened by your gangster appearance? Bouncers don’t dress well, they wear what they’re told. Yes depending on the club they have a very nice uniform code. They’re also generally not built well. The bouncers that clubs hire weigh a lot, because in a fight weight matters more than strength (if you’d ever been in a real fight you’d know this). They’re not actually built in a healthy or strength-to-weight optimum… Read more »
Admit it, Butthurt, you read the whole blog…TWICE!!
I came in in the middle of something. Can someone give me the abbrevd version of what butthurt is about?
It feels good to see the matrix: a friend of mine posted this on FB a week or so ago. I watched then and hurled in discussed…and then you post about it.
Admit it, Butthurt, you read the whole blog and came…TWICE!!
fixed that for you
“If girls are celebrated for ‘just being themselves’ (vs men who need to become useful), why do they mess with the images of her so much in the ads? I suppose we’d argue it has more to do with selling products to women than male sexuality?” YES, THIS is what’s hiding in plain view. All this talk about sexism and oppression from the patriarchy, but… WHO’S BUYING THE MAGAZINES? Guys like us sure as fuck ain’t. I mean, Playboy? Sure, guys buy that… but Playboy models aren’t rail-thin and missing their periods. I just don’t see how the whole fashion-model-unhealthy-obsession-with… Read more »
Great point, D-Man. None of my friends — Alpha or Beta — read fashion magazines or like rail-thin women. Not one.
… I’m still trying to figure out why butthurt is so butthurt and trying (weakly) in calling out Rollo. My guess is to protect the female imparative, but that’s too simplistic. Most women aren’t really sure of their own hypergamy or imperatives. It’s sort of like Pavlov’s dog, they just respond to the societal norms they’ve absorbed over the years.
But I’m still puzzled as to why Rollo was called out. Huh?
The reason why women identify with her and to project their own images of beauty on to her genetic ‘lottery’ is because they know beauty is the best insurance policy in an uncertain world. While a woman’s rudimentary desires (security, a home, ect) are easily acquirable, their desire for a guarantee of their evolutionary lineage to be secure is never a sure thing. Even being married to an alpha husband is not enough for them to be satisfied; his interest could wane or an accident could separate them. Instead, women realize that being beautiful is the only thing to provide… Read more »
Is it just me or is this woman not really very attractive? As in … not very sexy? I think it was Nietzsche who advised women, if you want to be attractive, be demure (or at least fake it). Man, he was right about that. I would take Renee Zellweger, for instance, over this woman. A better example might be Jennifer Anniston, who was never noted as being some kind of 10 but who I always found extremely attractive.
She is only 25 but looks 30+ in my opinion.
Kudos for the honesty i suppose, but let’s not give her too much credit already.
She’s only 25? From the looks of her in the video I assumed 35. It’s a common occurrence among young western women these days. Facially, they appear to age rapidly.
“If you spend your life in delusion exploiting men and thinking you can live that way forever, its a harsh wake up call when you find yourself in your 40′s with no skills, no money, no kids and no men to take care of you. Scary stuff.” What they get at this point is a crash course in the life lessons that us middle-aged virgin irrecoverable omega males have had ground into us our whole lives: unless it’s in their job description, no MOTOS will every touch you; you will be treated like week old garbage for the rest of… Read more »
ughhh those “jokes” she told at the beginning.
“Hey I’m hot hahahaha!1!1”
I just want to point out that I would consider a supermodel someone most likely to believe in beauty-as-a-social-construct, because fashion IS socially constructed. That’s almost the very definition of fashion. That’s why The Beauty Myth was such an easy sell to women who have never experienced female beauty from a male perspective, but have suffered peer judgment for fashion choices. Why shouldn’t beauty in general work the same way? They’ve seen dresses become incredibly popular only to be mocked a year later. In addition to the genetic template idea you put forth as it applies to one-itis, I would… Read more »
the “beauty myth” breaks for feminists when you agree with it on principle, and then ask them if they should be attracted, then, to male fatties, losers and asocial nerds and awkward overall men will small penises.
if they think we should ban pretty men like orlando bloom and depp and pitt and clooney from the big screens and replace them by more normal, “real” everyday men, plus banning all forms of male role models that are about success, skills confidence and or power.
that creates a crash blue screen on their faces.
This weekend I thought of something similarly funny. My gf has got a pretty uptight (female) friend who’s easy on the eyes, thin et al, but now married and 30. (I actually don’t think she’s hot, but lots of guy probably did and do). Anyway, this couple is pretty bored (and boring) and think of me & my gf when they want to go out during the weekends, because we usually do fun stuff. I actually don’t mind that, because, although boring and bored, they’re basicly OK decent people. Nothing much wrong. So, they texted me: what are you up… Read more »
Interesting……
http://thechive.com/2013/02/19/deep-inside-a-study-of-10000-adult-film-stars-9-photos/
Article from the man who compiled the data:
http://thechive.com/2013/02/19/deep-inside-a-study-of-10000-adult-film-stars-9-photos/
2 Comments:
1) I just looked at the Alumni Mag my college sends out, and Man are most of the old girls BEAT-looking at this age, while most of us guys are ok.
2) Sela Ward, who I find infinitely-hot even at her age, I think recently wrote a book complaining about how women’s looks are overweighted for their value; -And she was a beauty-queen pageant-winner herself; who also got 98% of her life from her looks!!!
While clearly plenty of top models are self-centered and oblivious to how the world around them actually works, many aren’t. From my experience I’d disagree that Cameron Russel is specially intelligent (relatively to the space sample of top models). You seem to take her video, in which she basically surgarcoated the message that beauty in fact means almost everything (unlike what the talk’s misleading title implies) and use it as evidence of your(or PlayerHerMan’s) theory of women’s solipsism. But there’s one problem here, Cameron is wealthy. She herself can’t fit this theory. She does not now nor she will ever… Read more »
Camurgo, you’re mixing solipism with hypergamy. And hypergamy is not a theory.
Rollo wrote: For their own part, these women living on the outside of beauty, in the context Cameron represents to them, even the most staunchly intellectual amongst them wants to feel some sort of kinship with her. These are the women who’d hack up in disgust at commercials with the message “don’t hate me because I’m beautiful”, but when Cameron delivers the same message in a more intellectually palatable way, they embrace her surrender to the greater sisterhood. The hate her, but they love her. The Churchian woman’s take on this is, of course, “don’t hate me because (God made… Read more »
Jesus. An excrutiating presentation. So cringe-inducing I stopped and started her vid a dozen times before I got to the end. She’s not very intelligent and her talk’s moronic. It feels like a class presentation where the professor asks students to see how what they learned in class applies to their lives. This chick’s decided her good looks makes her one of life’s victims. The world keeps giving her stuff and treating her nice because of her looks, not because of who she really is. She talks as if it never occurred to her that if she weren’t a hot… Read more »
First off – model lecturer nailed it re: getting free stuff. Even as a young man I never got a ticket – growing up in a crappy neighborhood, I could see the cop visibly relax upon seeing me. I even had a female hard-ass cop completely change her demeanor once she had my license and got a good look at me. Interestingly enough, now that I am divorced and single with a vasectomy – I am much more open to different women – all still slender and attractive, but not as absolutely rigid. They can vary from my previous “must… Read more »
YOHAMI, rereading my comment it was indeed muddled and confuse. However I’d argue that the excerpt from PlayHerMan, too, interconnects the ideas of female solipsism and hypergamy, it is claimed that women’s failure to step out of their bubbles (induced by the received advantages and the frequent ego stroking ) and perceive how the world really works prevents them from safeguarding an assumed necessary insurance policy(i.e. a good male provider) earlier in their adult lives. I’m not a feminist (not an “anti-feminist” either), but these overarching evolutionary psychological analyses of women(and men), while not bothering me as much as some… Read more »
@camurgo “You seem to take her video, in which she basically surgarcoated the message that beauty in fact means almost everything (unlike what the talk’s misleading title implies) and use it as evidence of your(or PlayerHerMan’s) theory of women’s solipsism. But there’s one problem here, Cameron is wealthy. She herself can’t fit this theory. She does not now nor she will ever need men to depend on.” The need from men is biologically rooted. 40 years of feminism, women’s lib and financial independence isn’t going to overshadow millions of years of evolution. Women evolved to try to obtain resources and… Read more »
Sorry, the first sentece should read: “The need for men is biologically rooted.”
Hey, I’ve seen those “Ted” concerts or whatever. They get up and talk…it’s for smart people and really new technology and whatever…like Steve Jobs would probably do a Ted”…and they dress nice, but not in suits or like at the office…it’s like, more sleek. And they walk around really thoughtful, and use those headsets so that you can gesture with BOTH hands. I can do that. I’ll tilt my head when I have to say something important. I’ll look really intelligent. I”m so totally gonna do that. AND it’s TED-X, so it’s more, like, modern. Totally gonna do Ted and… Read more »
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I’m white but I grew up in Central America and Mexico. The girls I used to put on pedestals were usually pale Hispanic women with long black hair, big eyes, big asses, wide hips, narrow waists and big boobs. Skinny models like that chick in the video are attractive but look sort of plain and infertile to me. The type of chicks I like probably won’t age as well as the model though, and tend to get fat when they’re older.
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