Generalizations

As expected, Monday’s Casualties post drew a lot of criticism. As I began with in that post, I had been contemplating whether or not to publish it for a while. I’d kept that article in the can for some time because I have discussed the topic more than once on the SoSuave forums in the past with pretty much the expected responses I got both publicly and privately.

When you link a social dynamic to the death of another individual you’re bound to get input from people who are passionate supporters, and passionate opposers of your assessments of that dynamic. My hesitation in posting this (and other) articles was due to that expectation and how it might convolute my message and intent. That intent  was to draw awareness to the (albeit extreme) dangers of perpetuating a beta-AFC mindset, and the feminine-primary social framework that reinforces, conditions and predisposes men to internalize that mindset.

It’s very hard not to sensationalize life-or-death propositions like this, because readers of either persuasion will have a tendency to emphasize what closest aligns with their beliefs. Granted, I used two personal experiences of my own in that essay, but when I break my rule about using anecdotes, as always it’s to better illustrate the dynamic, not to define a universal truth based on my personal experiences. Be that as it may, the inherent risk in doing so does not come without critic’s speculations about my reasons for doing so.

As I’ve come to expect from past discussions, the first thing critics will do is doubt the veracity of my experience with my sister-in-law’s history. Either I’m lying or embellishing that experience for gratuitousness sake, or the other perspective is to focus exclusively on her duplicitousness and sometimes accusations of outright malice and evil. Both of these are based on offense of personal investments, but these binary responses only serve to convolute the focus I want on the general, not the specific, premise.

And also as expected, the solipsistic nature of women cannot afford frank discussions about a sensitive topic like this.

“What? So now women are evil bitches contenting themselves with the suicides of their husbands and boyfriends?!! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT! Why are you so bent on making women look evil?”

Besides the go-to NAWALT® boilerplate, I can understand this response (from a reader who will remain nameless). A man so prompted to suicide due to his inability to relate to, or understand the nature of women, reflects badly upon women as a whole – and particularly so in a society defined by the feminine imperative. Isn’t it ironic that the general solipsism and reliance upon individualized, personal experience that define larger, social meta-dynamics for women should be denied to men even for illustrative purposes? In girl-world, only women’s experiences have any bearing on universal truths.

For all of my efforts in taking care to avoid the associations of women’s specific actions leading to men’s suicides, the binary mentality is inescapable.

If you were to discourage a friend from smoking by showing him graphic illustrations of blackened lungs or videos of people having their tongues surgically removed to cut out cancerous lesions, and later it saves his life from lung cancer or worse, you’re a hero.

If you help a friend in rehab off of heroin or meth and you have to do so via graphic, ugly illustrations of the end result of their addiction, you’re a saint, but if you advise him against marrying a woman you know will destroy his life in the long term or maybe due to suicide, you’re a meddling busy-body with nothing better to do than stick your nose where it doesn’t belong. “You’re a misogynist who hates women and casts them all in the worst case scenario through sweeping generalizations.

Generalizations

generalization

n 1: the process of formulating general concepts by abstracting common properties of instances [syn: abstraction, generalisation] 2: reasoning from detailed facts to general principles [syn: generalisation, induction, inductive reasoning] 3: an idea having general application; “he spoke in broad generalities” [syn: generalisation, generality] 4: (psychology) transfer of a response learned to one stimulus to a similar stimulus [syn: generalisation, stimulus generalization, stimulus generalisation]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

In the same vein as NAWALT® one of the most common fallbacks of women and feminized men is the presumption of generalization. Generalization gets a bum rap. The term really ougt to be used in the way it was actually intended – drawing hypothesis and conclusions from a greater, general whole of observed behavior. Pay close attention to #2 in the above definition,

“reasoning from detailed facts to general principles [syn: generalisation, induction, inductive reasoning].”

I am sorry if this process offends women, but I’m interested in the general rule, since it, – and not the exceptions to it – help to better predict an outcome.

Like it or not generalizations are useful and we use them all the time to see the forest for the trees. It’s not isolated abnormalities in a system that we use to describe the circumstances of that system, it’s the whole. We study majorities to assess overall condition, not isolations. That’s the scientific definition of generalities, but when they refer to things that are close to us we tend to put ourselves into the generalization and cop the “not-in-my-case” menality. We’d like to think that our experiences are unique and special (and they are, to us), but in the generality we’re simply statistics. So the word ‘Generalize’ gets a negative connotation and the person using it is vilified, because it’s an afront to our “special” conditions.

The concept of generalization is the antithesis to women’s innate solipsistic, individualist perspective. That’s not to argue that women cannot be analytical or scientific in various areas, but it is to say that in regards to personal and larger social contexts, thinking in generalities is not their native cognitive process. So when the social implications of a particular dynamic (in this case male suicide) become amplified to life-or-death propositions so too does the urgency for wholesale absolution of the gender become amplified. Collective generalities of this lethal nature become associative personal affronts; in fact so much so that women’s ego-investment in a feminine-primary social framework, and their personal association with it, link themselves personally to the responsibility of these generalized men’s suicides.

Play us out Rhianna:

Story of my life / Searching for the right
But it keeps avoiding me / Sorrow in my soul
‘Cause it seems like one / Really loves my company

He’s more than a man / And this is more than love
The reason that the sky is blue / The clouds are rollin’ in
Because I’m gone again / And to him I just can’t be true

And I know that he knows I’m unfaithful / And it kills him inside
To know that I am happy / With some other guy
I can see him dyin’

I don’t wanna do this anymore / I don’t wanna be the reason why
Everytime I walk out the door / I see him die a little more inside
I don’t wanna hurt him anymore / I don’t wanna take away his life
I don’t wanna be…A murderer

I feel it in the air / As I’m doin’ my hair
Preparing for another date / A kiss upon my cheek
As he reluctantly / Asks if im gonna be out late
I say I won’t be long / Just hangin’ with the girls
A lie I didn’t have to tell / Because we both know
Where I’m about to go / And we know it very well

‘Cause I know that he knows I’m unfaithful / And it kills him inside
To know that I am happy / With some other guy
I can see him dyin’

I don’t wanna do this anymore / I don’t wanna be the reason why
Everytime I walk out the door / I see him die a little more inside
I don’t wanna hurt him anymore / I don’t wanna take away his life
I don’t wanna be…A murderer

Our love / His trust
I might as well take a gun and put it to his head
Get it over with
I don’t wanna do this
Anymore, ooh ohh, anymore

I don’t wanna do this anymore / I don’t wanna be the reason why
And everytime I walk out the door / I see him die a little more inside
I don’t wanna hurt him anymore / I don’t wanna take away his life
I don’t wanna be…A murderer

82 comments

  1. Casualties drew criticism?! It’s one of the most important posts I’ve ever read.

    The person who said ““What? So now women are evil bitches contenting themselves with the suicides of their husbands and boyfriends?!! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT! Why are you so bent on making women look evil?”” has completely lacked the nuance you so deftly brought to the topic.

    OF COURSE NAWALT, but you never said they were. You’re much to articulate for that. As I’ve previously written:

    Something that really annoys me in life is most absolute statements. They tend to demonstrate a lack of understanding and nuance of the issue being discussed. If just one person can demonstrate that an absolute statement is false, then the statement becomes basically meaningless.

    http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/09/01/game-doesnt-work/

    I wouldn’t be such an ardent supporter of this blog if it were full of sweeping generalisations without proof to back them up!

  2. In terms of determining a principle from data (a generalization) there is a definition for NAWALT . . .

    Its called an “outlier.”

    Second, when things are inexplicable, and no one can “find a reson” or understand why someone did what they did, that usually means there actually is a reason, just not one that matrix “crimestop” will allow people to think.

    Suicide is a perfect example.

    I have, in the various communities I have lived in, seen men (and boys) commit suicide and no one can understand why, but the sexual market place is always the key.

    I think if any of those naysayers actually stopped and honestly considered the suicides that involved people they knew, they would find that your post is extremely accurate.

  3. From the esteemed commenter MikeC over at Badgerhut:

    http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/educated-womens-contempt-for-men/#comment-10092

    “I’m observing more and more certain women strongly insisting that no generalizations can be made about female behavior and communications. Every example is just an isolated anecdote. My sense is we are going to see more and more of an active campaign of essentially three card monte in terms of communication to men.”

    Certain women seem to be telling us that no matter how often a pattern of behavior is observed in the same woman or different women, no conclusions can be drawn from the behavior. They cannot be used to predict future behavior, consequences or outcomes.

    Posts like this tell us exactly why some women hold fast to this mentality.

  4. There was a discussion over at Rollo’s favorite place the other day where the comments devolved into a talk about the double standard again. I chimed in with a simple two liner

    “A MAJORITY OF WOMEN hold power over MOST men;
    a minority of MEN hold power over MOST women”

    when you think about the causes of most suicides, including suicide terrorism, it’s because that person is without hope, and by his final act hopes to facilitate a very dramatic shift in the politics of the cause of what drove him/her to discard his life of pain and misery.

    It is also no wonder that men commit suicide at a 4x rate than women given what we know.

    It also probably has a lot to do with the way it was previously discussed here how women do not love the way men do. I will NEVER forget leaving my condo and my wife sitting on the couch watching me leave through the door with a stone cold face. I was incapable of understanding how this now silent unemotional person was the same individual who was laughing, loving and sharing life with me 4 months earlier. I ceased being human to her in a way i could not envision doing to anyone else.

    The ability of a woman to ‘turn it off’ and carry on life the next day as if the last 3 years never happened is a realm i can’t imagine and would never want to visit. Had i been that weak snivling little shit i was when i was 18-22 and been presented with my marriage break up, i too probably would have shot myself.

    Game, the redpill, and sites like this set me free from ever having one-itus again.

  5. Irregardless of what each individual woman thinks…they have the same hardwiring in thier brains. Certain questions, phrases, and conversation pieces I have will pretty much the same response. One example I like to ask is the “three wishes from a genie” to women. I have yet to find a woman that doesn’t have one of the wishes be for money.

  6. Part of why PUA progressed so fast is that we accept generalizations, even though we understand there are outliers. But we accept that we can generalize other people’s behavior as well as our OWN, which is what separates us from the “everything’s a one-time anecdote!” type women.

    If I do behavior X in Y circumstance, generally the other person is going to respond with Z reaction. Not 100% of the time, but enough of the time that it’s relevant. If it’s too hit/miss, then we break it down further and study it more until we have something that’s more consistent. Getting a phone number would seemingly randomly lead or not lead to a date…okay so let’s break that down further and go out and try a dozen different things on hundreds of women until we conclude: getting a phone number with X amount of comfort = a date, getting a phone number with less than X amount of comfort = no date. Now we have a principle that generally works.

    But what sets us apart is that we can accept that in ourselves. “Guys who get one-itis behave in X way in Y circumstance, and it results in Z outcome.” “But you don’t understand, this girl is special!” “No, she’s not, you just think that because of A, B, and C.” “But…but you guys don’t get it, if you MET her…” “She could be an outlier, so could you, but it’s extremely unlikely. What’s more likely is that you’re behaving exactly like most other guys when they get one-itis and the outcome down the road if you continue doing what you’re doing is going to be Z.”

    Some guys don’t listen, and then months later they show up again going “Guys I’m in situation Z, how do I fix it?” and we roll our eyes. But the good PUAs listen and go “okay, this goes against every instinct I have and my ego-protection wants me to tell you all to fuck off and come up with a million good excuses to justify not following the rules……but dammit, okay, I accept that I’m behaving in X and Y way and I’m going to end up with Z…so what can I do to avoid this?”

    Women live in a world where none of them can ever do anything wrong, no matter how wrong what they’re doing is. They (and society) always have eachother’s backs and have plenty of shaming words and phrases and attitudes to avoid anyone pinning anything but unique snowflake princess status on each of them.

    But the red pill is the truth. It opens your eyes to the world you always saw around you, but could never really truly SEE.

    Part of what makes the red pill go down is that it’s almost a relief, it’s like your brain says “holy shit, this makes SO much sense. I can look back on every girl I’ve ever tried to give it a go with and this all clicks PERFECTLY and explains EVERYTHING…up till now I believed all the shit everyone else told me even though it didn’t seem to make sense, but FUCK, this is incredible, how did I not see this??”

    The red pill is clarity.

  7. Certain women seem to be telling us that no matter how often a pattern of behavior is observed in the same woman or different women, no conclusions can be drawn from the behavior. They cannot be used to predict future behavior, consequences or outcomes.

    What Mike C is describing is women now using that useful tool (used usually by men) so often seen in more intelligent blog forums, of put up or shut up. That anecdotal evidence is not enough to prove a premise. Rollo has a quote himself that he often uses about data (I can’t remember the exact quote at the moment). What these women fail to realize is that when there is a vast majority of anecdotal evidence leading to the same conclusion, the conclusion is very often true for the fast majority of the group of people being identified (Rollo could explain this better in phycological terms. I hope I explained it well enough).

    It is a protection mechanism used to throw people off and to protect themselves.

    I tried to explain a bit about women and generalities as well here. I tend to think that women abhorring generalities is part of female competition. If all women are generally the same, how can we compete?

  8. The hamster has a nuclear powered battery pack that provides it with the massive amounts of power needed to rationalize away things like being an accessory to the evil deeds of a man, cutting off all feeling for a man it once loved, and of course, playing a substantial role in the suicide of another human being. The only things it needs to fire up the reactor are a trigger switch and the conduit of plausible deniability.

  9. @YaReally yup yup. A huge sense of relief once you inf out how it all works.

    It comes at a price though. The benefits are that you don’t get chumped as often, you have a greater sense of self-respect, no butt hurt feelings if you get flaked on or blown-out (because you understand why), you don’t always get AMOG’ed (AMOG tactics help), and you have the tools to defer certain situations such as a girl pulling a fadeaway.

    It comes at a cost though. I’m not bitter as some of the divorced guys here are (and I think they have good reason to be), but I def feel like a soldier might feel after he has come back from war and seen some fucked up things. That 1,000 Yard Stare. The red pill has given me the ability to see women’s motivations from a 1,000 Yards away and although it protects me from being chumped more often than not, I think it’s closed me off from developing a head over heels type romance like I used to before I learned all this.

    I’d still take knowledge over ignorance though; despite the cost.

  10. The worst type of problem is one that is happening…but you don’t know why it’s happening which makes solving it almost impossible.

    The red pill sets you free and gives you the plan, the potential problems that will arise, and how to avoid them all in the first place. Men don’t wing it in business, constructing a house, or playing football on Sundays…why should you wing it with women?

  11. In girl-world, only women’s experiences have any bearing on universal truths.

    Quote of the f’n month

  12. Statements like this:

    “What? So now women are evil bitches contenting themselves with the suicides of their husbands and boyfriends?!! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT! Why are you so bent on making women look evil?”

    are frustrating to me because they stem from the common line of logic we so fondly refer to as “politically correct”. No matter how we deny that generalizations exist, they exist. There are commonalities within sexes, races (people groups if you please), nations, etc.

    Exceptions prove rules they don’t negate them. So maybe not all women are like this, but the vast majority are. Maybe you, as a woman aren’t like this, but ya better watch out because there is within you the tendency, the ability, to be like this.

    Also, her attitude reveals a dearth of compassion in her soul. How can one read such a piece, see a direct correlation between behavior of the wife and the resulting death of her husband, and walk away with this conclusion? Seriously when I read this, I was challenged to love my husband better today than I did yesterday. What a thing to have your husband go down like that on your watch.

    I get scared for men when reading stuff like this. Though the premise for rejecting “oneitis” seems safe and logical, there is a part of it that makes me think that doing so chips away at a man’s soul. Does that make sense? It seems that man should be able to find that solace in a woman. That he cannot doesn’t make the desire wrong, nor does it make him less masculine to have that desire? My husband should be able to count on that from me, no? I am not stating the case that having a woman makes a man better, not from the angle of self importance on the female part. What I am saying is that a man who takes a wife should get the benefit of better quality of life, whether that be her physique, companionship, nuturing ability, loyalty, love (or all of the above!)? She should be a constant complement. It seems contrary to nature to turn that desire off in a man.

    Gosh, gotta go, two of my little ones have pillow cases and are trying to have a race on the linoleum floor….

  13. @immoralgables

    That’s why guys, even guys who’ve taken the red pill, cling to their madonna/whore complex and desperately hold onto the notion that there are “those slutty drunk whores that PUAs fuck” and “pure innocent good girls”. Because to admit otherwise would be fucking terrifying and collapse massive sections of their socially conditioned psyche and like themrs says it would “chip away at their soul” and that’s too depressing to wrap their head around:

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/comment-of-the-week-sexual-self-control-is-a-male-thing/#comment-367897

  14. Generalizations give perspective. The more experiences you have with women, the more you see certain predictable patterns emerge, with slight deviations. It’s the same reason why no matter how many girls you bang, there will be plenty of guys out there telling you that they’re all sluts and whores and women aren’t like that, when your repertoire consists of conquests from socioeconomic circles where women are not only hot but also ‘high quality’ by their own metrics.

    Generalizations allow us to make informed decisions.

  15. @YR nice work on that comment.

    I, like you, at some point, was so ready for change and hit a rock bottom that I was ready to accept whatever truths about all this that it would take. I think maybe the ones that get caught in depression land either were not ready to let go but were exposed to the truth.

    You break down the Madonna whore complex well there too. I think that it fades away the more you go out and develop sexual experiences. I’ve seen “innocent” girls do trifling things, I’ve had polished and educated girls tell me to choke them in bed and loved it when I tied there hands together with a bandana. The more you see and feel, the more you realize that most if not all girls have that little slut inside them and that’s the beauty of all it. It doesn’t have to be binary. That good girl can still be a kinky freak and it doesn’t make her a lesser person. Fuck, I’d rather have the best of both worlds. Maybe the commenters with the Madonna whore complex are that way after only having missionary style sex with the occasional piercing eye contact thrown in and that’s all they know.

    That is one hell of a post though and I’m glad to see you’re archiving them. By the way, I saw that you commented this the other day when Roissy tweeted it and I want to thank you for answering my question at the time:

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/how-do-i-get-out-of-the-friend-zone/#comment-345976

    Good looks on that. I think what helped you overcome was that you have an analytical mind, no major hang-ups and you didn’t have much to lose.

  16. Hi Stingray, will this do for now?
    “This is a fascinating quotation, in that it gets 213,000 hits on Google, whereas its opposite, “The plural of anecdote is data,” gets only 9,000 hits. Yet “The plural of anecdote is data” is the original saying, and the logical one (what is data if not the accumulation of anecdotes?).” (Fred Shapiro, Freakonomics blog).

  17. LOL, the “don’t generalize about women” meme is one of my LTR’s favourites.

    What she really means is : “don’t say anything derogatory about women in general.” Because I have noticed that she has absolutely no problems when I (or others) generalize about women in a positive sense.

    This used to annoy me, but on reflection, she is 100% correct, you should never generalize about women… within earshot of your woman. It is pointless.

    “Gentlemen, it doesn’t get easier, you have to get BETTER. ”

    Mr. Tomassi, this is the only thing I don’t agree with (not in this post, but in your “War brides” comment). A permanent process of self-improvement in the hope of hanging on to your hypergamous girl ? No thanks, if she finds better than me then I say good luck to her. If I improve myself, then it’s for my benefit, and nobody elses.

  18. Yareally like what you said about the ABC’s. Like Brad Pitt in Moneyball, ‘it’s a process, it’s a process.’

    YR, do you have any links for dating 10’s? I’m seeing my 1st now and it’s amazing but I want to be 5 steps ahead, like how to handle the endless stream of AMOG’s when we go out, anything that comes to mind.

  19. I second Rhino’s comment. It’s not that women don’t like generalizations. It’s that women don’t like generalizations about themselves. They would happily and quickly bark sweeping statements about others.

  20. What she really means is : “don’t say anything derogatory about women in general.” Because I have noticed that she has absolutely no problems when I (or others) generalize about women in a positive sense.

    A positive generalization is a compliment to a woman and a negative generalization is a criticism. I guess you could call it Solipsism 101.

  21. So what is wrong with inductive reasoning! I have always noticed (but this is yet another generalisation) that women always go NAWALT when I generalise. This is obviously their sore point; they see it as a personal criticism.

  22. ” I get scared for men when reading stuff like this. Though the premise for rejecting “oneitis” seems safe and logical, there is a part of it that makes me think that doing so chips away at a man’s soul. Does that make sense? It seems that man should be able to find that solace in a woman. That he cannot doesn’t make the desire wrong, nor does it make him less masculine to have that desire? My husband should be able to count on that from me, no? I am not stating the case that having a woman makes a man better, not from the angle of self importance on the female part. What I am saying is that a man who takes a wife should get the benefit of better quality of life, whether that be her physique, companionship, nuturing ability, loyalty, love (or all of the above!)? She should be a constant complement. It seems contrary to nature to turn that desire off in a man. ”
    —————————————————————————————–

    These sentiments are appreciated. I remember when I craved “all of the above” with every fiber of my being.

    But understand it’s not just oneitis. The emotional pain of being dumped or cheated on is just the tip of the iceberg. The real horror begins when you realize that society and the law will side with women no matter what.

    Imagine a world where 5 or 10 years into your marriage you find out your husband has been cheating you. And that during your marriage he’s fathered 3 kids by 2 other women. It’s easy enought to prove that those kids aren’t yours, but that doesn’t matter. Because you were married to him at the time those children were concieved, YOU are financially responsible. So it’s not just that your husband betrayed you and cheated on you. Now, and for the next 18 years, 70% of your earnings will be deducted from your income to pay for kids that aren’t yours. While the state will make sure this money is taken from you they will not track how it is spent. Everyday you’re reminded of not only the cheating but of what it cost your life, because even though you work 70 hours a week it’s all you can afford, to live in a van under a freeway overpass.

    And if you dare ask how society could treat you this way? You’re labeled a ” bitter angry misandrist” and told to “woman up” .

    I don’t have to ask men to imagine this world , we’re already there. For us, these are the likely realities of potential marriage/children/commitment.

    More importantly while NAWALT may apply , the fact is ANY woman has the capability to do this through her rationalization mechanism. The hamster will justify all, and she will bear NO remorse or responsibilty. Because neither evolution, nor society has ever required women to.

    What you’re talking about up there is trust.
    Trust , is a luxury men can no longer afford.

  23. Society, in many ways, reflects what is valuable in nature.

    When we complain about the law being unfair to men we have to acknowledge that this reflects a maxim in nature that women are more valuable.

    A man having a problem tends to be isolated from the group while a woman having a problem tends to be supported and drawn into the group.

    For instance, a man crying is a liability. He is a danger to the group. His distress will potentially alert enemies or prey to the whereabouts of the group. A man crying is not productive.

    A woman crying is still biologically valuable. She still has a vagina and may be carrying or caring for children. She requires and will receive protection.

    Life is not fair. This is a place that feminism falls completely on it’s face. Feminism claims to be about equality. When have you ever seen anybody give a shit about a man crying? A man crying will get isolated and pushed out of the group.

    A man’s successes are a benefit to all. A man’s burdens are a concern to no one. Deal with it.

  24. Of course almost all women want to say NAWALT, and most men want to believe it. I was in the U.S. Army for 8 years and am a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan being in the 3rd Combat Aviation Brigade under the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division. That soldier’s story in the video of the previous article is common place. The divorce rate for the U.S. Army and U.S. Marine Corps. was 75% and 70% respectively in 2010 and the suicide rates were the highest they have ever been in U.S. military history. Most of this was not related to war related things, but 70% of the suicides among Soldiers and Marines were due to the wife or girlfriend leaving them before during or after the deployment to a war zone usually taking the children if there were any and taking the house if he bought one while often but not always ruining his credit rating by racking up unnecessary debt and depleting the joint bank accounts. He usually isn’t smart enough to get a bank account and credit cards in his name only leaving her to get her own bank accounts and credit cards, but instead he does everything jointly because it looks like a better deal and he fully trusts her. If any of you especially the men think being married is tough and getting a divorce is tough in the civilian world, try the military world and you will see how much worse it is for the military personnell especially if they are men. That video was all too real for me. Trust me that I have worse horror stories to tell than that video concerning military marriages and divorces. I told them on Roosh’s site under the article “You Did This To Me”, at http://www.rooshv.com a while back. One man said he thought he was jaded and hardened but even these shocked and hurt him to read in the comment section.

  25. In my blue pill days, the reason I would state generalizations was out of cognitive dissonance. I suspected what we call solipsism in women (though I didn’t identify it as a singular feature – I just felt something is terribly wrong), but that was so far removed from what I was always taught about women that the idea bordered on the ridiculous.

    So I wanted to constantly prove to myself that “there is no way she would take THIS one personally, as any man who is at least of normal intelligence would understand it as a statement about the majority”.

    Yeah, I’m sure you can guess how it always went. Eventually the weight of the cognitive dissonance became so great that it resulted in a paradigm shift.

  26. “My husband should be able to count on that from me, no?”

    The word “should” is ambiguous. It could mean that he actually should do so, in which case, no. That would be stupid.

    Or, it could mean that the world should be such a place where that would be a wise thing to do. In which case, yes, assuming a world view where such a statement makes sense. (It’s a nonsensical statement in, say, nihilism.)

  27. Women hate generalizations for the same reason they HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE when men talk to them about their body. Did you see the ruckus that occurred a few nights ago when the dude made that comment about “Conception during rape is God’s Will” and how “certain women’s reproductive systems can shut down.” They freaked the FUCK OUT.

    Mind you, the comment was embarrassing and stupid, but they react the same way when you point out a truth to them. It’s as if they believe they are on some kind of higher plane and a lowly masculine mortal surely couldn’t use empiricism and the scientific method to draw certain conclusions. Zomg no.

    They’re detestable filthy creatures who need to hold onto any and everything special about them to validate them cuz they’re so bloody mindless, unconscious and emotional and reliant upon others to dictate their paths. True uniqueness comes from personal autonomy and not from the pathetic herd creature, fashion-following stuff most of the ladies indulge in.

    With that said, I have great respect for crazies and masculinized women (at least in this department) who tread their own path.

    Did you know men display GREATER VARIETY and show a far stronger individual drive in nearly every area? Then why are they not vain enough to disregard generalizations.

    From what I’ve gathered, the nicest, saintly people in the world are men, the,most violent, diabolical criminals are men. the most brilliant geniuses are men and the biggest dumbasses are men. The widest spectrum of bedroom fetishes, tastes, and whatnot are shown by men. The people who created -isms and represented them and were vastly dfiferent from each other, were men.

    So why men, who are CONSISTENTLY MORE DIFFERENT from one another, who value their individual arbitrary decision-making, and create their own “kingdoms” so to speak and make better leaders DO NOT FEEL THE NEED to profess how they’re special unique snowflakes and that they’re unjudgeable.

    Every single sign points to men being more unique, but women still love to use that rhetoric, ALL MEN ARE THE SAME. Like really?

    That’s because their abstract abilities are fukking retarded. It’s as if they guage and measure the person strictly based on their utilitarian value to THEM (as you’ve mentioned varioust imes before).. They can not TAKE A STEP BACK AND JUDGE SOMEONE FROM AN AERIAL, UNBIASED, THIRD PARTY PERSPECTIVE.

    And yet we are the ones with fragile egos?

    Let’s see how rock solid your ego is when mentions of age, weight, skill, intellect are used to neg you.

    And what’s with the fucking humor that husbands say? “I’ve been married for 50 years, and one thing you have to realize is your WIFE IS ALWAYS RIGHT!” Disgusting. Creatures of such strong conviction and such weak disregard for fact and reason. Like barbaric Muslims really.

    I’m sorry for the hatred and vitriole. It disgusts me when stupidity is honored and celebrated. I used to fight for free speech, but I’m considering censorship when idiocy runs rampant. Childish rhetoric needs to be met with girls getting their bottoms warmed up.

    I’ll give credit where credit is due to women:
    – They’re smarter at manipulating others and saying the kind of thing
    – They’re rock solid ta deception.
    – They are pretty damn intimidating when wronged.
    – They are more wary of the buttons that tick people off/flatter them/put them under a spell.
    – They tend to be very focused and dedicated to the small repetitive tasks (textile factories, HR departments) etc.
    – They tend to follow rules very well and are the ultimate conformists (good for society more or less)
    – They’re quite nice at using wordplay and pretty good at reading/writing.
    – They’re artistically gifted in writing a narrative that would depict them as the hero and everyone else, the villain.

    But that’s about all…

    But please. Sew their mouths shut when it comes to matters of reasoning and insight. Especailly if they use that NAWALT angle. Useless, misguided advice being validated is an absolute fucking shame in this world.

    I really really really want young boys to have a quick education on body language, playing with people’s emotions, and speaking not from the heart, but for EFFECT, like women do. Once they’re stripped from whatever cutesy intuitive powers they think strictly belongs to them, they’ll mewl and spread their legs like the little helpless, happy, submissive girls they yearn to be.. The misandry has gone way too fucking far.

    I will not allow lies to prevail over truth, feelings to overcome facts, and vanity to beat true pride, and solipsism to have a credible say in anything. No sir.

  28. The reaction to yesterday’s post about “Casualties” is an example of the interpretation of the famous Nietzsche quote

    “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.”

    To fully explain, the Abyss must have some for of definition to the reader.

    The abyss is what is between, the gulf that separates us from what is other than us, The separation between universal and particular, “haeccitas’ and common nature, sentiment and ratio, “this here” and me … it is erotic in that it points us to our desire for another. The abyss is that which is not known and also that which is unknowable, that which is not imagined and also that which is unimaginable, that which not conceived and that which is inconceivable. To fully comprehend the abyss, you have to delve into notions of consciousness, of being, and of thought.

    A culture is the sum of religion, history, art, economics, politics, and love. The greatest mission of the culture is to make sense of the abyss to give it meaning. When I say “meaning”, I not only intend “meaning”, that which is significant or not, but also “meaning” meaning “meaning”, a definition. We are bombarded daily by stimuli by our senses with sight, sound, and sensations. The culture gives us the meaning and the meaning of these stimuli. It is the paradigm by which which “see” what we “see”, and how we classify it as good or bad, beautiful or ugly, right or wrong, up or down, before or after. The famous freshman question asked of students by the professor, as he drags the desk chair around from behind the desk “What is this?” and warily, expecting to be tricked, the class begrudgingly answers “A chair”. The professors asks “Why is it a chair? Why is it not some sticks that happen to be strategically glued together?”. After give and take, the end decision is “It is a chair because I think it is a chair”. And that exposes notion of the thing and the thing, in of itself.

    The essence of meaning is the metaphor, the frame of reference by which we interpret the thing as differentiated from the thing in and of itself. And the arbiter of the metaphor is the culture, the culture divides and it connects. Look at the root of the word “divide”, vide, to see.

    The reader of this blog and the other male blogs does not have to take a major leap of faith to know, without actually knowing, that the Feminine Imperative has had remarkable control, in a manner that benefits it, of the culture to define and classify the above list of what a culture consists . And the Feminine Imperative has defined beauty, which also implies ugliness, as those things which are beautiful [to women], which also implies ugliness [ to women ] as the ultimate definition of beauty and which permeates the culture at large. The same can be said of truth, and of good, of love, and of value.

    A monster is a thing that is defined by culture. It can be an aberrant within the culture or from outside the culture. Rollo has chosen to attack the monster of the dark side of love and and feminine hypergamy.

    And in fighting these monsters he risks becoming a monster, in the sense that he becomes that which is reviled, is attacked, vilified.

    The culture says women are romantic, that they are creators and the possessors of love, that women love in an earnest and permanent way.

    Rollo says no they don’t.

    The culture says that women need commitment, so they inherently give it. Women are, by nature, monogamous and if they cheat it is because of the failure of the man, that he literally pushed his woman into the arms of another man.

    Rollo says no they aren’t.

    Other bloggers take shots at women and attack hypergamy and the culture. To me, Roissy often shoots at them with a peashooter, “Death of 1000 cuts” type of attacks. “Where pretty little lies die”. Yesterdays post was about cosmetics and makeup. Dalrock attacks the culture, institutions, but not so much the women themselves. A lot of Dalrocks shots are, in a boxing metaphor, to the arms, and some to the body, every now and then, a good shot to the solar plexus.

    Rollo takes shots at the head, the type of shots, that require standing 8 counts, the kind the spectators of the fight feel and you can hear an audible “ooh” (“oo” pronounced like in “too”). He indicts as they are, the thing and the thing in and of itself. So in doing so, he is becoming a monster to women. But in doing so, he is changing your metaphor that you have about so many cultural concepts.

    He brings these ideas in from the abyss. Things that before were not known, that were even unknowable, are now known. Things were not conceived, that were not conceivable, are now conceived, like it or not.

    The abyss makes itself known to you when your reality is challenged by personal tragedy or loss, by societal crisis, or when there is great cultural change, like now.

    I would classify many of the readers of this blog as men that are having true existential crisis. There has been a tear in the fabric of their reality for personal or societal reasons and they suffer from the angst of existential crisis.

    And I say to them “Welcome to the fucking abyss”.

    And I say to them “I been here a while and I have been waiting for you. It’s about fucking time you showed up. And the good news is that is not a bad place to be. You just have look at it in a different way.”

    Western thought looks at the abyss as negative, eastern thought as positive. Nietzche is the figure often associated with angst ridden side of existentialism, the philosophy that life has no meaning. Zhuangzi is one of the key figures in the eastern idea of the “Dao”, The Way.

    The essence of metaphor is the abstraction. When you speak of love or success or failure, you speak of an abstraction. The abstractions in your head are products of the culture and of your personal experience within the context of the culture. When Rollo speaks of generalizations, he refers to derivations of meaning from the general using abstractions. When your abstractions that are provided you to from the greater culture break down or are challenged then you are confronted by what westerners call the abyss and by what eastern thought calls “The way”. This is from The Way of the Dao.

    Beneath Abstraction [Section title. I can’t bold to note this]

    There is a mystery,
    Beneath abstraction,
    Silent, depthless,
    Alone, unchanging,
    Ubiquitous and liquid,
    The mother of nature.
    It has no name, but I call it “the Way”;
    It has no limit, but I call it “limitless”.

    Being limitless, it flows away forever;
    Flowing away forever, it returns to my self:

    The Way is limitless,
    So nature is limitless,
    So the world is limitless,
    And so I am limitless.

    For I am abstracted from the world,
    The world from nature,
    Nature from the Way,
    And the Way from what is beneath abstraction.
    ——–

    The key difference between “The Abyss” that causes you angst when it reveals itself to you and “The Way” can be found in this anecdote.

    Nietzsche and Zhuangzi paused,
    stepped off of Cliff’s Edge
    into the pointlessness
    of universal or absolute meaning.

    “Bottomless!!”, cried Nietzsche
    in despair, overcome with
    existential angst, the sensation
    of vertigo, of nothingness!

    And plunged head first into the
    a-byss.

    “Weightless!!”, exclaimed Zhuangzi
    delighted, freed from Convention
    “And if an abyss is bottomless,
    there is no falling!”

    And watched Cliff’s Edge floating
    a-way.

    ———

    It is said that history is the childhood of universal knowledge. The existential angst that you feel exists because you embrace and hold abstractions that are no longer relevant given the march of time. When you rail against feminism, against hypergamy, and of love, it is because your metaphors of those abstractions are old and historical. Some of the metaphors, as the post “Casualties”, are killing you.

    So that is the constant theme of my comments. Let go. Embrace the unknown as the possibility of the better and not as a fear of the worse.

    Together we will create a new collective consciousness, a new set of metaphors, and better abstractions. Look forward to our product. What “is” isn’t working for you anymore.

  29. @ Mark

    “He brings these ideas in from the abyss. Things that before were not known, that were even unknowable, are now known. Things were not conceived, that were not conceivable, are now conceived, like it or not.”

    Nope. These ideas used to be well known in the past. Those very ideas are the backbone of every major religion, you can imagine. Knowledge that women are INFERIOR in terms od honour, justice, humanity – in terms of higher soul and consciousness, used to be spread throughout the world in the past. You find it in east, west, south – EVERYWHERE.

    Our fathers and grandfathers have forgotten it. They thought that women could be our equals in terms of consciousness, truth, depth, love – that they can be liberated. They did not recognized that women were not created as a free agents as a free being, that can live consciously, in clarity or freedom. She is merely the procreation tool, with empty core, ruthless in the service of life as it is necessary.

    Emancipation therefore can not truly “emancipate them”. The biggest obstacle in the emancipation of women si the “woman” herself. There is no CORE, no conscious ego in woman, that coud be emancipated – liberated or reformed. Women are SEX itself and therefore they can not sometimes reconginze it. Recognition and emancipation requires duality – and there is NOTHING different in them from sex. Therefore emancipation did not created conscious and free creature, it simply caused the shift from mothers to prostitutes, from family to harems, from rules to naked hypergamy. It simpy destroyed the barriers, erected by our eleders and society in order to control women.

    We could either TAME and rule this sex creature with self discipline, strong hands and knowledge – as our wise elders did, or we can be ruled by it – as millions of stupid “modern” men are doing now. Simple as that.

  30. @ M3. Feel your last post, red pill swallowed self! Go to the gym you notice men have lost identity and forever struggling with this crazy endearment of being casualties to feminism.

  31. ‘A man so prompted to suicide due to his inability to relate to, or understand the nature of women, reflects badly upon women as a whole – and particularly so in a society defined by the feminine imperative. Isn’t it ironic that the general solipsism and reliance upon individualized, personal experience that define larger, social meta-dynamics for women should be denied to men even for illustrative purposes? In girl-world, only women’s experiences have any bearing on universal truths.’

    I’ve got Rollo’s back like his spine on this. To sum it up, if every guy out there knew about this stuff and had a deep understanding of ‘game’ the world be a very different and better place. Period. It’s certain (to those of us who are not deluded and obsessed with ‘other factors’) that there would be a lesser rate of male suicides, rapes, trafficking, prostitution, violence against women also probably a large reduction in some of those outright wrong child abuse crimes and a general fall in criminality in general.

    I’ll go as far to say that if guys had this understanding since B.C. we would probably gliding through space by now:

    “Kirk come in, we’ve just discovered planet Coyote.”

    “Good, make sure you record the time and date.”

    “26/10/2012, 13:46”

    “Good work, make sure you send me the schematics.”

    “I already have.”

    “Oh right, give me a minute . . . It’s only 238 light years away. I’m in Alabama at the minute. I’ll be in Coyotes orbit by 14:00 tomorrow.”

    “Look forward to seeing you Sir.”

    “Me to.”

    “Do you mind if I ask you something Sir?”

    “Go ahead.”

    “Don’t you think It’s amazing how far humans have come, to think there was a time when we couldn’t travel the stars and none of this ever existed, how do you think people even begun develop the technology we have now?”

    ” . . . They stopped wasting their lives chasing Pussy. Kirk out.”

  32. @ Mark Minter
    There appears to be void in the interwebz since the unfortunate departure of U of Man, could be a niche for youself possibly??
    epic post..

  33. Whenever a specific murder or suicide is linked to the female imperative as a structural cause, all women are alarmed. For all they know, they could be next. Since structural causes are caused by groups, the entire group is to blame. Given a specific case, the issue becomes a direct threat, encouraging them to put their energy into the short term survival strategy of deflecting blame….rather than the long term survival strategy of removing the structural cause.

    The tragedy is…unless there is a specific threat, women will keep on loving the freebies that the structural cause gives them, unaware or uncaring that others are harmed.

  34. @Mark,
    nice treatise.
    thx for the welcome to the abyss and the orientation.
    I guess, all that, but I think more can be asked of women. And I suspect more will be. It’s my wish in any case whether realized or not.

  35. This is a very important thread, as was the previous one.

    I’ve been a beat cop for 30 some years in a major city. I’ve investigated way more than my fair share of relationship violence, which is what this is. Literally hundreds of cases. I long for retirement when I won’t have to clean up these messes any more.

    I’ve had colleagues destroy themselves too, and in most cases, it’s usually totally out of character and out of the blue, NO warning signs! ( I say this to stop the collateral damage of well wishers who think they should have seen warning signs etc and beat themselves up over their inability to intervene in time).

    I have fought the demons of personal anger at the victim for doing such a “selfish” act, seemingly not concerned with the swath of crushed people left in their wake.

    7 years ago one of the nicest, fun loving, personable guys I’ve ever known took his life. Shock is hardly the word I can use to describe my reaction when I was told the news. As I type this, I can still not fully grasp where this action came from. I was told later it was an impending divorce.

    People do care, you will be missed, you do matter, your life is a benefit to others, others do enjoy your company, life is worth living!

    Hopeless, desperate, confused, depressed, angry…whatever, your abyss of despair…. if you are considering this act, PLEASE REACH OUT FOR HELP!

  36. Play I some old music …
    One may have never heard it yet the music is nothing new, it’s actually old, old, so old it’s older than dirt. But it appears new since it’s the rock that’s uncovered after the infertile crap topsoil that is feminism has been swept away in your minds. That rock was there all along, we had but to remember it well. Get your frame on that rock and make your choices accordingly.

  37. @random angeleno
    What of those who never clear the top soil and live a perpetual state of blissfull ignorance bounded only by their own rationality and indoctrination. The clearing of the top soil is not some ideological escoteric utopian ideal but an evaluation of every event seen through the new matrix free lens, freedom one may ask now the top soil is removed, never there is always another layer to remove or a mangina to push you against the metaphorical social contract, if not that its some new contrived social convention from “girly-world” thats “just not socailly acceptable”

  38. I thought ‘Casualties’ was brilliant and shared it with a friend of mine, who is doing likewise. Soldier on.

  39. Don’t worry about any criticism. Unpleasant things need to be brought to light and discussed. The men who posted on that thread and others NEED a place to talk about things. A lot of people tell their stories due to being traumatized by them. Ultimately, I believe there are casualties on both sides. What it appears to come down to is that we are all being brutally forced to grow up in ways we were probably never intended to. Situations that would never have ocurred in the recent past are now commonplace and we’re all looking at each other like, “Did you know it was going to be like this?” Once through the various stages, though, one must think about solutions. And one starts to see through the cracks in other institutions. Realizing the true nature of men and women goes a long way towards understanding life, but there’s always more to know. At the end, I have that survivor attitude and I wouldn’t trade ANY of the painful experiences I’ve had because of the perspective its given me. I hope others will make it through to that phase too and not stay stuck in anger.

  40. @ David Alexander
    Your post above was absolutely brilliant, and I agree with everything except with one thing. You said that women are rock solid to deception. I don’t believe this. They are on average better at decieving men because they are more manipulative, but they are also more easily decieved because they are more easily manipulated (when one knows how). The story about the fall of humanity with the characters God, Adam(man), Eve(woman), and (Satan) the serpent or snake in the book of Geneis in the Bible illustrates this. The Ancient Greek pagans told the story of how Sissiphus got the first woman, Pandora, which led to mankinds woes as punishment from the gods for stealing fire from the gods when he took her as a surprise present even when Sissyphus’s brother told him not to accept it as it was a harmful trick from the Ancient Greek gods. Our elders long ago knew. Roissy(Chateu or Heartiste) had an article about a serial killer, Robert Ben Rhoades doing well with women today. He even got a phone number from a waitress woman while shackled in an orange prison jump suit surrounded by police.

    Here is what our elders tried to teach us. Specificly here is what the Jewish elders tried to teach. God told Adam and Eve not to touch nor to eat fruit of the tree of good and evil or they would surely die. The serpent(Satan) told Eve that she should eat fruit of the tree of Good and Evil as she would possess wisdom and be like the gods and know what is good and evil. Eve ate its fruit and handed its fruit to Adam Who also ate it. They were ashamed and made clothes for themselves. God questioned them and knew they sinned. Adam tried to pass the blame on to Eve by saying that he ate the fruit Eve gave him. Eve passed on more of the blame by saying that the Serpent tricked and decieved her. Eve took less responsibility for her actions. Chapters 25 and 26 of the Book of Sirach(Ecclesiasticus)which the Jews and Protestant Christians rejected but the Catholic Christians and Orthodox Christians accepted as sacred scripture in the Bible explains that sin entered into the world first through woman, Eve, and because of her that we all die. God left the man in charge, but as explained in the Book of Romans Chapter 5, Adam and by extension all men are held responsible.God punished all three of them. The book of Romans Chapter 5 in the Bible also says that because of one man, Jesus, he all have the potential to be saved because Jesus corrected Adam’s mistake of following the woman Eve who followed (Satan) the Serpent because Jesus followed God over women, over men and over Satan.

  41. I made a mistake in my above post. I will correct that. Substitue Prometheus for Sissyphus. It was Prometheus who took the first woman, Pandora, as a gift from the Ancient Greek gods in ancient Greek pagan mythology.

  42. Don’t you love how GeishaKate tries to turn an article about the effects of women’s duplicity and treachery into something about “realizing the true nature of men and women?”

    “There are casualties on both sides,” she says. Well…maybe, Kate. But for every female casualty, there are ten men who can be marked as KIA, or MIA.

    If you’re going to haunt the manosphere, Kate, at least do us the courtesy of accepting articles like this one at face value. Don’t try to dilute their meaning by saying that men are at fault too.

  43. I happen to follow Eastern philosophies and have read a bit. For example, as the Buddhist philosophy teaches, all conditioned phenomena are by their nature unsatisfactory, impermanent and “not-self”. Hence, all conditioned phenomena are not worth clinging/attaching to. We know things will change – no matter how great your relationship is now, it is subject to change, like everything else.

    We can talk at length about all this but let me just get to the point. What I get from this is that it is not worth basing your happiness on external things which are impermanent and unsatisfactory by their nature. Get into relationships, bang lots of women, do whatever you want to do – however if you are basing your permanent, lasting happiness on these things, then you might be dissapointed.

  44. @Tertullian: Before I was directed to the Manosphere I spend nearly two years reading women’s stories on women’s forums. And that is how I know its not a one-sided issue. I recommend you get a broader grasp of the situation. Neither gender is a victim. Its a matter of someone (whether that be man or woman) getting taken advantage of. The only reason you think men are getting the short end of the stick is because you likely know more men than women that its happened to. Your perspective is limited. Find the stories of women who’ve been in relationship with men who were stringing them along, cheating on them, lying to them. Not all men are saints either.

  45. Great insights by Buck too… applies not just to the army but other occupations on the frontline. Of course though it makes sense that it will affect guys in the army more – women have more ability to run amuck with all that free time while they’re gone on deployment.

  46. GeishaKate.
    “Look at me, me, it’s all about meeeeee!”

    Why don’t you take your “recommendations” back to those women’s blogs.

    There’s no equivalence between the women’s problems you cite and the men’s problems described in this and the previous essay.

    Women are cheated on because they’re batting out of their league. Boo hoo. Permanent consequences for women? None. Remedy available to women? Shack up with a man of equal SMV.

    Men are cheated on for cash and prizes. Forty years of feminism have perverted our legal system to systematically advantage women and deny men equal protection under the law. Permanent consequences for men? A lifetime of poverty, indentured servitude, depression and hopelessness, Remedy available to men? None.

  47. @Tertullian

    Thank you. But you know what, telling a woman to “shack up with a man of equal SMV” is about as acceptable to the rationalization hamster as telling a man to chop off his left nut. The entitlement monkey won’t quit jabbering away to the rationalization hamster about the alpha she deserves.

  48. @ Chuck Hammer: agreed. It’s annoying enough to see women like GeishaKate repeatedly trolling men’s rights/PUA sites. It’s even worse when they subtly try to twist a well-written article like this one into a justification for a “men are bad too” argument.

    I used the word “dilute” in my original post for a reason: even on a topic as serious as this one, GeishaKate simply cannot resist the temptation to try and score a point for Team Woman.

  49. Women are always going to be for Team Woman. Never believe that they are for men in general, they aren’t and will never be so. It goes directly against the concept of hypergamy. Only a minority (20 percent) of men will every be worthy. All the rest are just objects to be used.

    They can’t help this. It’s ingrained in their DNA. I guess in a more just civilized society, these natural instincts would be tempered but in the current era, women do basically what they want.

    Susan Walsh, GeishaKate, EmatheEmo they are always going to try to take back the power, use NAWALT arguements, etc. Just because they seem to be kindred to the manosphere, they aren’t. Plain and Simple. They just seem like it at first. Pull back the layers with enough hard truths and they won’t accept the tenets completely and dilute the message.

    Isn’t that basically the point of the post anyways, how women will discredit generalizations to make it seem like they are never like all those other women when they often are.

    Look at the crazy amount of women posters now at CH. They are all over the place. I have no idea what’s up with that? I can only guess that they try to use the information to enhance getting an alpha somehow. I suppose if a young woman pre-wall took the information to heart they could benefit by seeing that the game simply ends with most of them unhappy and that they should use their youthful beauty to lock up committment from the best available man they can get.

  50. I like how GeishaKates comments are very well prettified NAWALT responses.

    also, her need for attention is out of control

    stop feeding the trolls guys

  51. You could not be more wrong. I have no wish nor need for attention. I was under the impression I was joining discussions with men who wanted to gain insight. It seems, however, there are some only interested in incite. Its a shame, but its no skin off my nose. When I am especially happy, I am extra optimistic and I wish everyone could feel that. I have a friend who does online counselling. He is an exceptionally bright man and has a forum where another very intelligent friend of mine posts. Its not a place for flaming or aguments, rather a place where people who really want to make positive changes in their lives can connect. If anyone is interested, get in touch 🙂

  52. Geisha Kate
    I have no wish nor need for attention.

    Hamsterlation: Pay attention to meeeee!

    I was under the impression I was joining discussions with men who wanted to gain insight.

    Hamsterlation: Everyone should listen to ever-so-special meeeee!

    Its a shame, but its no skin off my nose.

    Hamsterlation: My nose hurts.

    I have a friend who does online counselling……If anyone is interested, get in touch.

    Hamsterlation: You’re all a bunch of losers….small….basement….etc.

    So predictable.

  53. that’s the beauty of game. In pre-game awareness, after reading a chicks reasonably sounding defensive response, one might have said “ok maybe i was a bit harsh my baaaad”

    but now its more like (generalizing here) “bitch plz, i know exactly what you really mean”

    and alas, we still fail. because any time you give attention whether it be negative or positive, she is still getting it. they still get that rush they crave from the drama.

    there’s an emotional “off” switch on broads, I wish there was an “off” switch for all the other stuff

  54. As Danger and Play put it,

    “if you argue with an idiot, there’s two idiots arguing”

    Don’t argue with them, it’s pointless. I use to try and explain concepts like this to females I know when it comes to dating (before discovering the manosphere, as I somehow knew alot of this stuff already just from experience), but I don’t anymore. They really can’t handle the ugly truth. They can handle a little, but not as much as is really outh there.

    Just because they may be nice about it and make it seem like there on your side, they’re not. Just because they’re not spitting vitriol doesn’t make what they’re saying less damaging. They’re trying to drag men back into blue pill world. Kate saying it’s the same for women with regard to the issues facing men is like men saying breast cancer is as important an issue to them because the rare man can develop it as well. Outside of Stingray, all the female commentators will eventually show they are out to bat for team woman. Just gloss over them.

  55. Gentlemen, look at this paragraph:

    “I get scared for men when reading stuff like this. Though the premise for rejecting “oneitis” seems safe and logical, there is a part of it that makes me think that doing so chips away at a man’s soul. Does that make sense? It seems that man should be able to find that solace in a woman. That he cannot doesn’t make the desire wrong, nor does it make him less masculine to have that desire? My husband should be able to count on that from me, no? I am not stating the case that having a woman makes a man better, not from the angle of self importance on the female part. What I am saying is that a man who takes a wife should get the benefit of better quality of life, whether that be her physique, companionship, nuturing ability, loyalty, love (or all of the above!)? She should be a constant complement. It seems contrary to nature to turn that desire off in a man.”

    This paragraph embodies alot. She describes the loss of that “romanticized” love as “chipping away at a man’s soul” Bullshit, I’d argue it’s discovering a man’s soul, with the emphasis being on “man’s”. The disney shit isn’t healthy for any man. Having any serious expectations from women isn’t as well. All that lovey-dovey is critical for a woman’s soul, not a man’s. That soul that developed the “oneitis”, while some of it may be natural to a few men, it’s mostly a social construct. Independence is the essence of a man’s soul. This is why being “afraid” is unmanly, for fear is a control on a man’s independence.

    “Scared for men”: Life is scary for most men, as the majority are expendable. No one coddles you as a man, few will help you. When you are a woman, society is your ally. When you are a man, it can be you greatest enemy.

    I see the word “should” popping up alot too in this paragraph. Once again, yes men “should” be able to rely on their women for support, just how baby’s “should” never cry and all roads “should” be paved in gold. But this goes to show the disconnect between how women think they are as a whole and how they actually are. Men need to deal with the world as it is, not how it “should” to be.

    By the way Rollo, not to pile on, but thanks for this post and all of them. When you get that sense that a post of yours will cause a shit storm, that’s just your instinct telling you the importance of it. So do it anyways. While it seems like you’ve already done quite a bit with your life, this blog, whether you know it or not, might be one of the greatest things you’ve done with your life, at least in terms of making a difference. The ugly topics that get you criticized are the ones that needs to be brought to the forefront the most, although I’m sure you already know that.

    Thanks again,

    Nek

  56. Comparing Oneitis to insanity is appropriate. Three billion girls on planet. Any guy willing to off himself over One is ludacris. A broken heart feels permanent – just like any form of depression. These dudes need perspective and to realize that eventually that girl they thought they couldn’t live without will just be another memory.

  57. @ YaReally

    “Part of why PUA progressed so fast is that we accept generalizations, even though we understand there are outliers.”

    Applies to races too, not just women. Respect to you all.

  58. You really just can’t care…. Now that I live with women it seems like the more I do for them the less they appreciate me. From understanding game concepts I learned more naturally that you can’t take them seriously and if you mess up not to take it personally.

    I’m kind of glad women are like this because I see where I go soft and their hyper gammy hardens me and makes me a stronger person.

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