Generalizations

As expected, Monday’s Casualties post drew a lot of criticism. As I began with in that post, I had been contemplating whether or not to publish it for a while. I’d kept that article in the can for some time because I have discussed the topic more than once on the SoSuave forums in the past with pretty much the expected responses I got both publicly and privately.

When you link a social dynamic to the death of another individual you’re bound to get input from people who are passionate supporters, and passionate opposers of your assessments of that dynamic. My hesitation in posting this (and other) articles was due to that expectation and how it might convolute my message and intent. That intent  was to draw awareness to the (albeit extreme) dangers of perpetuating a beta-AFC mindset, and the feminine-primary social framework that reinforces, conditions and predisposes men to internalize that mindset.

It’s very hard not to sensationalize life-or-death propositions like this, because readers of either persuasion will have a tendency to emphasize what closest aligns with their beliefs. Granted, I used two personal experiences of my own in that essay, but when I break my rule about using anecdotes, as always it’s to better illustrate the dynamic, not to define a universal truth based on my personal experiences. Be that as it may, the inherent risk in doing so does not come without critic’s speculations about my reasons for doing so.

As I’ve come to expect from past discussions, the first thing critics will do is doubt the veracity of my experience with my sister-in-law’s history. Either I’m lying or embellishing that experience for gratuitousness sake, or the other perspective is to focus exclusively on her duplicitousness and sometimes accusations of outright malice and evil. Both of these are based on offense of personal investments, but these binary responses only serve to convolute the focus I want on the general, not the specific, premise.

And also as expected, the solipsistic nature of women cannot afford frank discussions about a sensitive topic like this.

“What? So now women are evil bitches contenting themselves with the suicides of their husbands and boyfriends?!! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT! Why are you so bent on making women look evil?”

Besides the go-to NAWALT® boilerplate, I can understand this response (from a reader who will remain nameless). A man so prompted to suicide due to his inability to relate to, or understand the nature of women, reflects badly upon women as a whole – and particularly so in a society defined by the feminine imperative. Isn’t it ironic that the general solipsism and reliance upon individualized, personal experience that define larger, social meta-dynamics for women should be denied to men even for illustrative purposes? In girl-world, only women’s experiences have any bearing on universal truths.

For all of my efforts in taking care to avoid the associations of women’s specific actions leading to men’s suicides, the binary mentality is inescapable.

If you were to discourage a friend from smoking by showing him graphic illustrations of blackened lungs or videos of people having their tongues surgically removed to cut out cancerous lesions, and later it saves his life from lung cancer or worse, you’re a hero.

If you help a friend in rehab off of heroin or meth and you have to do so via graphic, ugly illustrations of the end result of their addiction, you’re a saint, but if you advise him against marrying a woman you know will destroy his life in the long term or maybe due to suicide, you’re a meddling busy-body with nothing better to do than stick your nose where it doesn’t belong. “You’re a misogynist who hates women and casts them all in the worst case scenario through sweeping generalizations.

Generalizations

generalization

n 1: the process of formulating general concepts by abstracting common properties of instances [syn: abstraction, generalisation] 2: reasoning from detailed facts to general principles [syn: generalisation, induction, inductive reasoning] 3: an idea having general application; “he spoke in broad generalities” [syn: generalisation, generality] 4: (psychology) transfer of a response learned to one stimulus to a similar stimulus [syn: generalisation, stimulus generalization, stimulus generalisation]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

In the same vein as NAWALT® one of the most common fallbacks of women and feminized men is the presumption of generalization. Generalization gets a bum rap. The term really ougt to be used in the way it was actually intended – drawing hypothesis and conclusions from a greater, general whole of observed behavior. Pay close attention to #2 in the above definition,

“reasoning from detailed facts to general principles [syn: generalisation, induction, inductive reasoning].”

I am sorry if this process offends women, but I’m interested in the general rule, since it, – and not the exceptions to it – help to better predict an outcome.

Like it or not generalizations are useful and we use them all the time to see the forest for the trees. It’s not isolated abnormalities in a system that we use to describe the circumstances of that system, it’s the whole. We study majorities to assess overall condition, not isolations. That’s the scientific definition of generalities, but when they refer to things that are close to us we tend to put ourselves into the generalization and cop the “not-in-my-case” menality. We’d like to think that our experiences are unique and special (and they are, to us), but in the generality we’re simply statistics. So the word ‘Generalize’ gets a negative connotation and the person using it is vilified, because it’s an afront to our “special” conditions.

The concept of generalization is the antithesis to women’s innate solipsistic, individualist perspective. That’s not to argue that women cannot be analytical or scientific in various areas, but it is to say that in regards to personal and larger social contexts, thinking in generalities is not their native cognitive process. So when the social implications of a particular dynamic (in this case male suicide) become amplified to life-or-death propositions so too does the urgency for wholesale absolution of the gender become amplified. Collective generalities of this lethal nature become associative personal affronts; in fact so much so that women’s ego-investment in a feminine-primary social framework, and their personal association with it, link themselves personally to the responsibility of these generalized men’s suicides.

Play us out Rhianna:

Story of my life / Searching for the right
But it keeps avoiding me / Sorrow in my soul
‘Cause it seems like one / Really loves my company

He’s more than a man / And this is more than love
The reason that the sky is blue / The clouds are rollin’ in
Because I’m gone again / And to him I just can’t be true

And I know that he knows I’m unfaithful / And it kills him inside
To know that I am happy / With some other guy
I can see him dyin’

I don’t wanna do this anymore / I don’t wanna be the reason why
Everytime I walk out the door / I see him die a little more inside
I don’t wanna hurt him anymore / I don’t wanna take away his life
I don’t wanna be…A murderer

I feel it in the air / As I’m doin’ my hair
Preparing for another date / A kiss upon my cheek
As he reluctantly / Asks if im gonna be out late
I say I won’t be long / Just hangin’ with the girls
A lie I didn’t have to tell / Because we both know
Where I’m about to go / And we know it very well

‘Cause I know that he knows I’m unfaithful / And it kills him inside
To know that I am happy / With some other guy
I can see him dyin’

I don’t wanna do this anymore / I don’t wanna be the reason why
Everytime I walk out the door / I see him die a little more inside
I don’t wanna hurt him anymore / I don’t wanna take away his life
I don’t wanna be…A murderer

Our love / His trust
I might as well take a gun and put it to his head
Get it over with
I don’t wanna do this
Anymore, ooh ohh, anymore

I don’t wanna do this anymore / I don’t wanna be the reason why
And everytime I walk out the door / I see him die a little more inside
I don’t wanna hurt him anymore / I don’t wanna take away his life
I don’t wanna be…A murderer

Published by Rollo Tomassi

Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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Casualties drew criticism?! It’s one of the most important posts I’ve ever read. The person who said ““What? So now women are evil bitches contenting themselves with the suicides of their husbands and boyfriends?!! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT! Why are you so bent on making women look evil?”” has completely lacked the nuance you so deftly brought to the topic. OF COURSE NAWALT, but you never said they were. You’re much to articulate for that. As I’ve previously written: Something that really annoys me in life is most absolute statements. They tend to demonstrate a lack of understanding… Read more »

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Women hate generalizations.

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Pardon the pun wrt to Rhianna, but bang on.

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In terms of determining a principle from data (a generalization) there is a definition for NAWALT . . . Its called an “outlier.” Second, when things are inexplicable, and no one can “find a reson” or understand why someone did what they did, that usually means there actually is a reason, just not one that matrix “crimestop” will allow people to think. Suicide is a perfect example. I have, in the various communities I have lived in, seen men (and boys) commit suicide and no one can understand why, but the sexual market place is always the key. I think… Read more »

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From the esteemed commenter MikeC over at Badgerhut: http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/educated-womens-contempt-for-men/#comment-10092 “I’m observing more and more certain women strongly insisting that no generalizations can be made about female behavior and communications. Every example is just an isolated anecdote. My sense is we are going to see more and more of an active campaign of essentially three card monte in terms of communication to men.” Certain women seem to be telling us that no matter how often a pattern of behavior is observed in the same woman or different women, no conclusions can be drawn from the behavior. They cannot be used to… Read more »

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There was a discussion over at Rollo’s favorite place the other day where the comments devolved into a talk about the double standard again. I chimed in with a simple two liner “A MAJORITY OF WOMEN hold power over MOST men; a minority of MEN hold power over MOST women” when you think about the causes of most suicides, including suicide terrorism, it’s because that person is without hope, and by his final act hopes to facilitate a very dramatic shift in the politics of the cause of what drove him/her to discard his life of pain and misery. It… Read more »

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Irregardless of what each individual woman thinks…they have the same hardwiring in thier brains. Certain questions, phrases, and conversation pieces I have will pretty much the same response. One example I like to ask is the “three wishes from a genie” to women. I have yet to find a woman that doesn’t have one of the wishes be for money.

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Part of why PUA progressed so fast is that we accept generalizations, even though we understand there are outliers. But we accept that we can generalize other people’s behavior as well as our OWN, which is what separates us from the “everything’s a one-time anecdote!” type women. If I do behavior X in Y circumstance, generally the other person is going to respond with Z reaction. Not 100% of the time, but enough of the time that it’s relevant. If it’s too hit/miss, then we break it down further and study it more until we have something that’s more consistent.… Read more »

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Certain women seem to be telling us that no matter how often a pattern of behavior is observed in the same woman or different women, no conclusions can be drawn from the behavior. They cannot be used to predict future behavior, consequences or outcomes. What Mike C is describing is women now using that useful tool (used usually by men) so often seen in more intelligent blog forums, of put up or shut up. That anecdotal evidence is not enough to prove a premise. Rollo has a quote himself that he often uses about data (I can’t remember the exact… Read more »

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The hamster has a nuclear powered battery pack that provides it with the massive amounts of power needed to rationalize away things like being an accessory to the evil deeds of a man, cutting off all feeling for a man it once loved, and of course, playing a substantial role in the suicide of another human being. The only things it needs to fire up the reactor are a trigger switch and the conduit of plausible deniability.

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@YaReally yup yup. A huge sense of relief once you inf out how it all works. It comes at a price though. The benefits are that you don’t get chumped as often, you have a greater sense of self-respect, no butt hurt feelings if you get flaked on or blown-out (because you understand why), you don’t always get AMOG’ed (AMOG tactics help), and you have the tools to defer certain situations such as a girl pulling a fadeaway. It comes at a cost though. I’m not bitter as some of the divorced guys here are (and I think they have… Read more »

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The worst type of problem is one that is happening…but you don’t know why it’s happening which makes solving it almost impossible.

The red pill sets you free and gives you the plan, the potential problems that will arise, and how to avoid them all in the first place. Men don’t wing it in business, constructing a house, or playing football on Sundays…why should you wing it with women?

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In girl-world, only women’s experiences have any bearing on universal truths.

Quote of the f’n month

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Statements like this: “What? So now women are evil bitches contenting themselves with the suicides of their husbands and boyfriends?!! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT! Why are you so bent on making women look evil?” are frustrating to me because they stem from the common line of logic we so fondly refer to as “politically correct”. No matter how we deny that generalizations exist, they exist. There are commonalities within sexes, races (people groups if you please), nations, etc. Exceptions prove rules they don’t negate them. So maybe not all women are like this, but the vast majority are.… Read more »

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@immoralgables

That’s why guys, even guys who’ve taken the red pill, cling to their madonna/whore complex and desperately hold onto the notion that there are “those slutty drunk whores that PUAs fuck” and “pure innocent good girls”. Because to admit otherwise would be fucking terrifying and collapse massive sections of their socially conditioned psyche and like themrs says it would “chip away at their soul” and that’s too depressing to wrap their head around:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/09/14/comment-of-the-week-sexual-self-control-is-a-male-thing/#comment-367897

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Generalizations give perspective. The more experiences you have with women, the more you see certain predictable patterns emerge, with slight deviations. It’s the same reason why no matter how many girls you bang, there will be plenty of guys out there telling you that they’re all sluts and whores and women aren’t like that, when your repertoire consists of conquests from socioeconomic circles where women are not only hot but also ‘high quality’ by their own metrics.

Generalizations allow us to make informed decisions.

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@YR nice work on that comment. I, like you, at some point, was so ready for change and hit a rock bottom that I was ready to accept whatever truths about all this that it would take. I think maybe the ones that get caught in depression land either were not ready to let go but were exposed to the truth. You break down the Madonna whore complex well there too. I think that it fades away the more you go out and develop sexual experiences. I’ve seen “innocent” girls do trifling things, I’ve had polished and educated girls tell… Read more »

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Hi Stingray, will this do for now?
“This is a fascinating quotation, in that it gets 213,000 hits on Google, whereas its opposite, “The plural of anecdote is data,” gets only 9,000 hits. Yet “The plural of anecdote is data” is the original saying, and the logical one (what is data if not the accumulation of anecdotes?).” (Fred Shapiro, Freakonomics blog).

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And batting for the other side
http://bearcastle.com/blog/?p=408

Pays yer money, takes yer choice, according to one’s own subjective bias LOL

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Tam the Bam,

Yep. That sounds right. Thank you.

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LOL, the “don’t generalize about women” meme is one of my LTR’s favourites. What she really means is : “don’t say anything derogatory about women in general.” Because I have noticed that she has absolutely no problems when I (or others) generalize about women in a positive sense. This used to annoy me, but on reflection, she is 100% correct, you should never generalize about women… within earshot of your woman. It is pointless. “Gentlemen, it doesn’t get easier, you have to get BETTER. ” Mr. Tomassi, this is the only thing I don’t agree with (not in this post,… Read more »

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Yareally like what you said about the ABC’s. Like Brad Pitt in Moneyball, ‘it’s a process, it’s a process.’

YR, do you have any links for dating 10’s? I’m seeing my 1st now and it’s amazing but I want to be 5 steps ahead, like how to handle the endless stream of AMOG’s when we go out, anything that comes to mind.

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I second Rhino’s comment. It’s not that women don’t like generalizations. It’s that women don’t like generalizations about themselves. They would happily and quickly bark sweeping statements about others.

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What she really means is : “don’t say anything derogatory about women in general.” Because I have noticed that she has absolutely no problems when I (or others) generalize about women in a positive sense.

A positive generalization is a compliment to a woman and a negative generalization is a criticism. I guess you could call it Solipsism 101.

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@TheShocker

Start here with YaReallys comment and keep reading what he says this one is an eye-opener

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/08/23/hot-girls-need-your-best-game/#comment-362299

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So what is wrong with inductive reasoning! I have always noticed (but this is yet another generalisation) that women always go NAWALT when I generalise. This is obviously their sore point; they see it as a personal criticism.

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” I get scared for men when reading stuff like this. Though the premise for rejecting “oneitis” seems safe and logical, there is a part of it that makes me think that doing so chips away at a man’s soul. Does that make sense? It seems that man should be able to find that solace in a woman. That he cannot doesn’t make the desire wrong, nor does it make him less masculine to have that desire? My husband should be able to count on that from me, no? I am not stating the case that having a woman makes… Read more »

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Society, in many ways, reflects what is valuable in nature. When we complain about the law being unfair to men we have to acknowledge that this reflects a maxim in nature that women are more valuable. A man having a problem tends to be isolated from the group while a woman having a problem tends to be supported and drawn into the group. For instance, a man crying is a liability. He is a danger to the group. His distress will potentially alert enemies or prey to the whereabouts of the group. A man crying is not productive. A woman… Read more »

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Someday I will have the following conversation:
“Women are generally poor at statistics, probability, and understanding populations”
“NAWALT!!!”
“Exactly.”

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this is not connected to the topic, but worth mentioning anyway….

the worth of virgin pussy has been estimated in brazil:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/catarina-migliorini-sells-virginity-780k_n_2010260.html

the chick is not hot and slightly chubby……hypergamy wins, at least when you’re young, girl!

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Of course almost all women want to say NAWALT, and most men want to believe it. I was in the U.S. Army for 8 years and am a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan being in the 3rd Combat Aviation Brigade under the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division. That soldier’s story in the video of the previous article is common place. The divorce rate for the U.S. Army and U.S. Marine Corps. was 75% and 70% respectively in 2010 and the suicide rates were the highest they have ever been in U.S. military history. Most of this was not related to… Read more »

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In my blue pill days, the reason I would state generalizations was out of cognitive dissonance. I suspected what we call solipsism in women (though I didn’t identify it as a singular feature – I just felt something is terribly wrong), but that was so far removed from what I was always taught about women that the idea bordered on the ridiculous. So I wanted to constantly prove to myself that “there is no way she would take THIS one personally, as any man who is at least of normal intelligence would understand it as a statement about the majority”.… Read more »

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“My husband should be able to count on that from me, no?”

The word “should” is ambiguous. It could mean that he actually should do so, in which case, no. That would be stupid.

Or, it could mean that the world should be such a place where that would be a wise thing to do. In which case, yes, assuming a world view where such a statement makes sense. (It’s a nonsensical statement in, say, nihilism.)

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Women hate generalizations for the same reason they HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE when men talk to them about their body. Did you see the ruckus that occurred a few nights ago when the dude made that comment about “Conception during rape is God’s Will” and how “certain women’s reproductive systems can shut down.” They freaked the FUCK OUT. Mind you, the comment was embarrassing and stupid, but they react the same way when you point out a truth to them. It’s as if they believe they are on some kind of higher plane and a lowly masculine mortal surely… Read more »

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The reaction to yesterday’s post about “Casualties” is an example of the interpretation of the famous Nietzsche quote “He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.” To fully explain, the Abyss must have some for of definition to the reader. The abyss is what is between, the gulf that separates us from what is other than us, The separation between universal and particular, “haeccitas’ and common nature, sentiment and ratio, “this here” and me … it is… Read more »

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Amazing comment Mark. it reminds me of one of my favorite posts by shark http://www.solvemygirlproblems.com/2012/02/let-go/

he also had a very good philosophy towards the abyss. thought i think it was his biggest fear, if that makes sense

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YaReally controls your frame. She’s the man.

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Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, but, NADALT!!!!

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@ Mark “He brings these ideas in from the abyss. Things that before were not known, that were even unknowable, are now known. Things were not conceived, that were not conceivable, are now conceived, like it or not.” Nope. These ideas used to be well known in the past. Those very ideas are the backbone of every major religion, you can imagine. Knowledge that women are INFERIOR in terms od honour, justice, humanity – in terms of higher soul and consciousness, used to be spread throughout the world in the past. You find it in east, west, south – EVERYWHERE.… Read more »

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@ M3. Feel your last post, red pill swallowed self! Go to the gym you notice men have lost identity and forever struggling with this crazy endearment of being casualties to feminism.

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*myself

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‘A man so prompted to suicide due to his inability to relate to, or understand the nature of women, reflects badly upon women as a whole – and particularly so in a society defined by the feminine imperative. Isn’t it ironic that the general solipsism and reliance upon individualized, personal experience that define larger, social meta-dynamics for women should be denied to men even for illustrative purposes? In girl-world, only women’s experiences have any bearing on universal truths.’ I’ve got Rollo’s back like his spine on this. To sum it up, if every guy out there knew about this stuff… Read more »

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Another debt to Rollo for knowledge ahead of the curve. A Scientific American article about male-female friendships being the AFC waiting for romantic opportunity.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=men-and-women-cant-be-just-friends

And the underlying study behind the article

http://bleske-rechek.com/April%20Website%20Files/Bleske-Rechek%20et%20al.%202012%20Benefit%20or%20Burden.pdf

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@ Mark Minter
There appears to be void in the interwebz since the unfortunate departure of U of Man, could be a niche for youself possibly??
epic post..

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guest posts by Mark could be an interesting thing.

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Whenever a specific murder or suicide is linked to the female imperative as a structural cause, all women are alarmed. For all they know, they could be next. Since structural causes are caused by groups, the entire group is to blame. Given a specific case, the issue becomes a direct threat, encouraging them to put their energy into the short term survival strategy of deflecting blame….rather than the long term survival strategy of removing the structural cause. The tragedy is…unless there is a specific threat, women will keep on loving the freebies that the structural cause gives them, unaware or… Read more »

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@Mark,
nice treatise.
thx for the welcome to the abyss and the orientation.
I guess, all that, but I think more can be asked of women. And I suspect more will be. It’s my wish in any case whether realized or not.

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This is a very important thread, as was the previous one. I’ve been a beat cop for 30 some years in a major city. I’ve investigated way more than my fair share of relationship violence, which is what this is. Literally hundreds of cases. I long for retirement when I won’t have to clean up these messes any more. I’ve had colleagues destroy themselves too, and in most cases, it’s usually totally out of character and out of the blue, NO warning signs! ( I say this to stop the collateral damage of well wishers who think they should have… Read more »

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@ bloggerssoliloquy,
“…They stopped wasting their lives chasing pussy. Kirk out”

LOTFLMFAO

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“In girl-world, only women’s experiences have any bearing on universal truths.”

And in the REAL world, it appears that only females conjure collective drama out of nothing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria

(every single historical example is all-female)

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Play I some old music …
One may have never heard it yet the music is nothing new, it’s actually old, old, so old it’s older than dirt. But it appears new since it’s the rock that’s uncovered after the infertile crap topsoil that is feminism has been swept away in your minds. That rock was there all along, we had but to remember it well. Get your frame on that rock and make your choices accordingly.

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@random angeleno
What of those who never clear the top soil and live a perpetual state of blissfull ignorance bounded only by their own rationality and indoctrination. The clearing of the top soil is not some ideological escoteric utopian ideal but an evaluation of every event seen through the new matrix free lens, freedom one may ask now the top soil is removed, never there is always another layer to remove or a mangina to push you against the metaphorical social contract, if not that its some new contrived social convention from “girly-world” thats “just not socailly acceptable”

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I thought ‘Casualties’ was brilliant and shared it with a friend of mine, who is doing likewise. Soldier on.

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Don’t worry about any criticism. Unpleasant things need to be brought to light and discussed. The men who posted on that thread and others NEED a place to talk about things. A lot of people tell their stories due to being traumatized by them. Ultimately, I believe there are casualties on both sides. What it appears to come down to is that we are all being brutally forced to grow up in ways we were probably never intended to. Situations that would never have ocurred in the recent past are now commonplace and we’re all looking at each other like,… Read more »

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@ David Alexander Your post above was absolutely brilliant, and I agree with everything except with one thing. You said that women are rock solid to deception. I don’t believe this. They are on average better at decieving men because they are more manipulative, but they are also more easily decieved because they are more easily manipulated (when one knows how). The story about the fall of humanity with the characters God, Adam(man), Eve(woman), and (Satan) the serpent or snake in the book of Geneis in the Bible illustrates this. The Ancient Greek pagans told the story of how Sissiphus… Read more »

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I made a mistake in my above post. I will correct that. Substitue Prometheus for Sissyphus. It was Prometheus who took the first woman, Pandora, as a gift from the Ancient Greek gods in ancient Greek pagan mythology.

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Don’t you love how GeishaKate tries to turn an article about the effects of women’s duplicity and treachery into something about “realizing the true nature of men and women?”

“There are casualties on both sides,” she says. Well…maybe, Kate. But for every female casualty, there are ten men who can be marked as KIA, or MIA.

If you’re going to haunt the manosphere, Kate, at least do us the courtesy of accepting articles like this one at face value. Don’t try to dilute their meaning by saying that men are at fault too.

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I happen to follow Eastern philosophies and have read a bit. For example, as the Buddhist philosophy teaches, all conditioned phenomena are by their nature unsatisfactory, impermanent and “not-self”. Hence, all conditioned phenomena are not worth clinging/attaching to. We know things will change – no matter how great your relationship is now, it is subject to change, like everything else. We can talk at length about all this but let me just get to the point. What I get from this is that it is not worth basing your happiness on external things which are impermanent and unsatisfactory by their… Read more »

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@Case
Haha thanks, I didn’t think anyone would notice that comment.

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@Tertullian: Before I was directed to the Manosphere I spend nearly two years reading women’s stories on women’s forums. And that is how I know its not a one-sided issue. I recommend you get a broader grasp of the situation. Neither gender is a victim. Its a matter of someone (whether that be man or woman) getting taken advantage of. The only reason you think men are getting the short end of the stick is because you likely know more men than women that its happened to. Your perspective is limited. Find the stories of women who’ve been in relationship… Read more »

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Great insights by Buck too… applies not just to the army but other occupations on the frontline. Of course though it makes sense that it will affect guys in the army more – women have more ability to run amuck with all that free time while they’re gone on deployment.

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GeishaKate. “Look at me, me, it’s all about meeeeee!” Why don’t you take your “recommendations” back to those women’s blogs. There’s no equivalence between the women’s problems you cite and the men’s problems described in this and the previous essay. Women are cheated on because they’re batting out of their league. Boo hoo. Permanent consequences for women? None. Remedy available to women? Shack up with a man of equal SMV. Men are cheated on for cash and prizes. Forty years of feminism have perverted our legal system to systematically advantage women and deny men equal protection under the law. Permanent… Read more »

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@ Chuck Hammer: couldn’t have said it better myself.

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@Tertullian

Thank you. But you know what, telling a woman to “shack up with a man of equal SMV” is about as acceptable to the rationalization hamster as telling a man to chop off his left nut. The entitlement monkey won’t quit jabbering away to the rationalization hamster about the alpha she deserves.

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@ Chuck Hammer: agreed. It’s annoying enough to see women like GeishaKate repeatedly trolling men’s rights/PUA sites. It’s even worse when they subtly try to twist a well-written article like this one into a justification for a “men are bad too” argument.

I used the word “dilute” in my original post for a reason: even on a topic as serious as this one, GeishaKate simply cannot resist the temptation to try and score a point for Team Woman.

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Women are always going to be for Team Woman. Never believe that they are for men in general, they aren’t and will never be so. It goes directly against the concept of hypergamy. Only a minority (20 percent) of men will every be worthy. All the rest are just objects to be used. They can’t help this. It’s ingrained in their DNA. I guess in a more just civilized society, these natural instincts would be tempered but in the current era, women do basically what they want. Susan Walsh, GeishaKate, EmatheEmo they are always going to try to take back… Read more »

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I like how GeishaKates comments are very well prettified NAWALT responses.

also, her need for attention is out of control

stop feeding the trolls guys

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You could not be more wrong. I have no wish nor need for attention. I was under the impression I was joining discussions with men who wanted to gain insight. It seems, however, there are some only interested in incite. Its a shame, but its no skin off my nose. When I am especially happy, I am extra optimistic and I wish everyone could feel that. I have a friend who does online counselling. He is an exceptionally bright man and has a forum where another very intelligent friend of mine posts. Its not a place for flaming or aguments,… Read more »

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Geisha Kate
I have no wish nor need for attention.

Hamsterlation: Pay attention to meeeee!

I was under the impression I was joining discussions with men who wanted to gain insight.

Hamsterlation: Everyone should listen to ever-so-special meeeee!

Its a shame, but its no skin off my nose.

Hamsterlation: My nose hurts.

I have a friend who does online counselling……If anyone is interested, get in touch.

Hamsterlation: You’re all a bunch of losers….small….basement….etc.

So predictable.

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@ Chuck Hammer: completely predictable, wasn’t it?

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that’s the beauty of game. In pre-game awareness, after reading a chicks reasonably sounding defensive response, one might have said “ok maybe i was a bit harsh my baaaad”

but now its more like (generalizing here) “bitch plz, i know exactly what you really mean”

and alas, we still fail. because any time you give attention whether it be negative or positive, she is still getting it. they still get that rush they crave from the drama.

there’s an emotional “off” switch on broads, I wish there was an “off” switch for all the other stuff

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As Danger and Play put it, “if you argue with an idiot, there’s two idiots arguing” Don’t argue with them, it’s pointless. I use to try and explain concepts like this to females I know when it comes to dating (before discovering the manosphere, as I somehow knew alot of this stuff already just from experience), but I don’t anymore. They really can’t handle the ugly truth. They can handle a little, but not as much as is really outh there. Just because they may be nice about it and make it seem like there on your side, they’re not.… Read more »

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Gentlemen, look at this paragraph: “I get scared for men when reading stuff like this. Though the premise for rejecting “oneitis” seems safe and logical, there is a part of it that makes me think that doing so chips away at a man’s soul. Does that make sense? It seems that man should be able to find that solace in a woman. That he cannot doesn’t make the desire wrong, nor does it make him less masculine to have that desire? My husband should be able to count on that from me, no? I am not stating the case that… Read more »

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Comparing Oneitis to insanity is appropriate. Three billion girls on planet. Any guy willing to off himself over One is ludacris. A broken heart feels permanent – just like any form of depression. These dudes need perspective and to realize that eventually that girl they thought they couldn’t live without will just be another memory.

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@ YaReally

“Part of why PUA progressed so fast is that we accept generalizations, even though we understand there are outliers.”

Applies to races too, not just women. Respect to you all.

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You really just can’t care…. Now that I live with women it seems like the more I do for them the less they appreciate me. From understanding game concepts I learned more naturally that you can’t take them seriously and if you mess up not to take it personally.

I’m kind of glad women are like this because I see where I go soft and their hyper gammy hardens me and makes me a stronger person.

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