I got some ‘fresh’ insight from a female Rational Reader:
It’s sometimes annoying, sometimes painful to read this blog, but it gives me clarity.
As a 35 year old rapidly approaching 36 year old unmarried female, it’s makes me cringe to see how snarky guys view the average chick in my demographic.
I hope I don’t have the arrogance attributed to my age group. Perhaps I do about my youthful looks, but then again I have lived cleaned and never been a sun worshipping, druggy slut. I’m different than the average modern day American/Western female.
I genuinely like most men and feel sympathy for them that women CAN be so difficult. I enjoy being feminine and girly and only go thru random periods of wanting to achieve a lot. Pretty happy just being alive. lol
I don’t give it up and am closer to being a virgin based on my limited picky dating habits.
Sure, I would have loved to be married since my 20s, but feel happy I wasn’t like a huge majority of women who rush to get married. If anything, I believe in romantic love too strongly and held on at times when I should’ve let go.
So not every woman in her 30s is a shrill she-devil harpy who wants be your own personal succubus and suck your life force and rape your wallet.
I have 3 very nice guy friends just got engaged over last few months. (Aged 30-39). They didn’t hold these dogmatic views towards women. They moved things ahead in a linear manner and were open to love and hopeful about marriage and kids.
They all met healthy, nice cool chicks in the same age range and got engaged within 1-3 years.
Again, this blog has been an entertaining read, but I take it as seriously as any other entertainment rag out there.
With a grain of salt.It will excite R. to know that he has many devout acolytes at this point. Ironically, this site is encouraging blind following by unhappy betas instead of grooming strong well adjusted true Alphas.
I’m sure Kate Bolick is crying bitter tears for you as she counts all the licensing and advertising money she’s earning from pandering to your demographic on TV and in The Atlantic.
The difference between contemporary men’s gender doctrines and those of women’s is that women’s tends toward the ultimate end of marriage or at least an LTR commitment. This is the idealized hypergamic goal state; single monogamous union with the best available mating option in terms of breeding and long term provisioning (i.e. pluralistic sexual strategy). Men on the other hand are biologically predisposed to mating with the best available short term option(s) based on physicality and sexual availability. It’s not that men don’t want an idealized monogamy, but our sexual imperative has to be sublimated in order to achieve it.
Between the sexes, these are conflicting breeding methodologies. For one sex to fulfill it’s methodology the other must rescind their own. Thus, in order for one gender to maintain a social dominance in terms of breeding methodologies, the other must be characterized in the negative. This is why men’s polygyny is socially vilified while women’s hypergamy is the accepted norm. Men are then socially predisposed to accept women not only as the sexual filters of society, but the rules makers and the arbiters of that same social and moral acceptability.
Your indignation at this blog or the community on whole is due in large part to this social framework. You see the summation of dating, Game, romance, etc. resulting in the finality of an idealized, hypergamously perfected marriage (the female imperative). The inner conflict you and most women in your demographic have is that the same hypergamy you hope to perfect has become the source of your worst frustrations. The constant, feminine primary entitlements women have been conditioned to expect from idealized Men becomes the means of their worst disillusionments.
The hope was to assert the dominance of the feminine breeding strategy by conditioning and shaming Men into the internalized belief that it was their moral / social responsibility to accommodate the female methodology at the sacrifice of his own. Marriage is the RIGHT thing to do, so sayeth the gate keepers of sexuality, but only on women’s terms and when it conveniently fits into their life’s schedule. Only now that social convention based on feminine hypergamy is running headlong into the realities of biomechanics.
You see, while you may in fact still be sexually attractive at 35, the simple truth is that you are not as attractive as the next generation of 22 year olds arriving on the sexual market every year. Today’s hotties are tomorrow’s clearance rack items. With each passing year you become progressively less able to compete with the newer younger and hotter women becoming available. So, in order to counter this, women are forced to create new social conventions, new gender definitions, etc. in an attempt to level the playing field. Thus we get social dictums celebrating cougars, and myths of women’s new sexual prime (38 to 40? shocking).
Feminization’s worst failings aren’t due to Men awakening (and reacting) to this fresh understanding of feminine primary social dynamics – feminization’s worse fear is women finally acknowledging that hypergamy is painting them into corner within their own social constructs. The hope is to cash out their hypergamous chips before an individual male becomes aware enough to see the Matrix for what it is. Your 3 just-married friends may have managed to pull that off, but not you. And it’s not blogs like this that are hindering that, it’s the inherent flaws built into a feminine primary social structure long ago.
Time’s up.
Now, now, Rollo…NAWALT!
Run, hamster.
Run.
Life’s not fair ladies…at 30 I can choose between women my age or younger. At 30 you are rapidly approaching expiration. Being 30 for a man is like a woman who turns 15.
At least there is some karma out there for all the advantages women get with nature in their teens and twenty or what the corrupt government gives them.
I love how they frame all their flaws into virtues: ‘I wasn’t like a huge majority of women who rush to get married. If anything, I believe in romantic love too strongly and held on at times when I should’ve let go.’ — I was waiting for Tom Brady to come and rescue me. ‘I have lived cleaned and never been a sun worshipping, druggy slut. I’m different than the average modern day American/Western female.’ –I’m different than those sluts, I was so hypergamous that no would do because I’m a princess and didn’t whore around wasting away the value… Read more »
That is one creepy picture by the way.
[I know. Don’t you just love it?]
@Furious Ferret
Exactly. You could practically see her hamster running while reading that.
Guys in her age range view her as snarky? Is that the same as viewing the male rejects as creeps and losers? Whereas she had options, those men withdrew.
So… Essentially, her letter begins with of several paragraphs of NAWALT, followed by extolling the virtues of marrying a 35-year old, followed by some shaming. Some slight reading in the manosphere will allow anyone to immediately see the dumbassedness of the letter.
Unmarried 35 year olds have nobody to blame but themselves. They have unrealistic expecations. They have no clue as to their true value in the sexual market.
Sit around and wait for Tom Brady as your ovaries dry up. It’s a great life ahead of you.
The real difference between men and women at the age of 35 is how they think about their mate is that……Women think “can I do better?” and men think “It could be a lot worse.”
It’s that is the problem with the woman’s mind.
Rollo, I am undeniably a rAFC trying to swallow the red pill. My “morpheus” (to borrow from the matrix analogy some more) recommended your blog as a good start to unplugging. Reading this latest post I am once again starting to wonder about certain aspects of female game. I get that women’s hypergamy will drive them to seek the best partner they can possibly attract. What I was wondering about is whether or not they take any proactive role in finding that best possiblity. Looking around at my own environment I notice that I rarely if ever see a woman… Read more »
A woman’s dual-minded nature typically prevents her from openly approaching guys she’s attracted to.
Her hamster may send off the tingles, but her forebrain says “I can’t do that, I don’t want to look like a slut!”
Still, women have way more tells than masculine men do — their body language generally doesn’t lie. If her body is aimed at you, if she makes eye contact more than once, if she has that coy smile when you lock eyes on her, what more do you need from her?
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.
13-I’s
Solipsism anyone?
@ A.B. Dada So the message is: women will rely exclusively on social conventions. They will assume that any man that does not respond to their IOIs is simply beyond the reach of their hypergamy or is a beta who has failed her first shit test (are you man enough to approach me?). Or am I missing something? And if I’m not: don’t women try to move the upper bound of their hypergamy in any way? Are they reliant on higher value beta’s like the one Rollo describes in his post “Balancing Sexual Pluralism”, who are apparantly unaware of their… Read more »
@Harlequin: A woman of still ripe sexual value can and SHOULD raise her standards as high as she can go. If women were taught that aging is terrible for them and they definitely have a peak period for marriage-worthiness, they should be settling down during that peak, and only settling down with high status males. I wouldn’t say a woman’s dual-minded nature is a social convention, I think it’s natural from a hormonal perspective. I also believe that low-T high-E males exhibit dual-mindedness (“nice guys are manipulative”) and that high-T women are NOT as dual-minded. The social conventions creep into… Read more »
@FF, I thought the EXACT same thing about this paragraph: “I have 3 very nice guy friends just got engaged over last few months. (Aged 30-39). They didn’t hold these dogmatic views towards women. They moved things ahead in a linear manner and were open to love and hopeful about marriage and kids. They all met healthy, nice cool chicks in the same age range and got engaged within 1-3 years.” I was thinking “poor betas”, but at least they’ll have a wet hole to put it in for a few years before she snaps it shut after 2 kids… Read more »
“I don’t give it up and am closer to being a virgin ”
Immortal words. Amazing what “limited picky dating habits” can do for a gal.
Aternatively she might like to try this : http://hymenshop.com/.
@ Harlequin
Read the book called “The Definetive Book of Body Language”. You can download the free pdf of it. There’s a chapter that tells you everything to look for when a woman is interested with you through her body language. Very rarely will she say it verbally…but she will say it through her body.
Dilated pupils (the best tell if you have good eye contact with her), smiling, mirroring, playing with the hair, touching, showing her palms, giggling, fidgeting…are all tells.
“Closer to being a virgin” is classic. It’s a scale!
“I don’t give it up and am closer to being a virgin based on my limited picky dating habits.” – How is she CLOSER TO BEING a virgin ? either you’ve had sex or you haven’t, but this is an older woman we’re talking about so… “I have 3 very nice guy friends just got engaged over last few months. (Aged 30-39). They didn’t hold these dogmatic views towards women. They moved things ahead in a linear manner and were open to love and hopeful about marriage and kids.” – Funny how everytime i hear about being open to relationships,… Read more »
@Dada, re: “A woman’s dual-minded nature typically prevents her from openly approaching guys she’s attracted to” … respectfully so, but I really disagree. Women absolutely will approach you if they consider you sufficiently worthwhile. This probably (hopefully) happens to fellows here routinely, the women are just invisible to them so they don’t recognize it. Examples: Fat chick – does the approach Cougary chick – does the approach Early 40s still lookin ok just early 40s – does the approach Married chick – does the approach Divorced, 1 or 2 kids, kinda hot – does the approach On account of various… Read more »
@Case: Women do approach men, yes. Typically, in my experience and research, women with relatively high-T levels are the ones who approach, which leads to my hormonal theory that high-T individuals are the verbally initiating parties. The thing is, I don’t know if high-T women are good relationship candidates. Are we talking ONS or are we talking LTR? My best LTRs, the ones with NO drama, NO arguments, NO female dominance, always revolved around women who are hormonally balanced towards feminine endocrinology. They’re not aggressive creatures. I had to initiate with them, although their body language was LOUD and broadcasting… Read more »
Congrats to her friends that married those 35 year olds and are very happy! Those girls sure got a good deal… Partying up their 20’s and early 30’s and still being able to catch a sponsor.
When you marry a 35 year old she will be 45 in 10 years! That is totally retarded if you can marry a 24 year old, she will be attractive at least 10 years!
Here’s the scale, ladies.
No dick inside you = virgin
1 to infinite dicks inside you throughout the course of your life = you are not a virgin…not even close
@Dada … Don’t get me wrong … the ones doing the approach are rarely the ones I find attractive. Just sayin’ I don’t rule out that women make approaches. Agree that usually the most desireable require a reach-out. Whether they stay desirable though is all in how they handle that reach out. Actually, together with this blog, I would say a careful examination of who approaches me, how often and who I have to approach and how hard the latter expects me to work (not saying how hard I will work) … that has done more to help me “see”… Read more »
her demographic gets stereotyped as “snarky” (read: shitty attitude) for a damn good reason.
That reason would be the shitty attitudes.
Interesting how a 35 year old grown woman refers to herself as a ‘chick’. I see this often in older people that still behave like they are adolescents and have a tremendous lack of exposure to life and experience. Her last line, which takes a shot at readers here, is telling in that she now only has resentment towards men because none of them were ever good enough for her. This is only her frustration coming to the slow realization that her hypergamy got the better of her and less quality men are showing up at her front door. Her… Read more »
I just wanted to post to say thank you to the community, I think it might be a good idea to setup a section for people to post how game has changed their life. I started taking the red pill at age 24, before that I was a virgin, the sort that would happily do any favor for the women who would pat me on the head and say I would find someone (else). The sort of patheticness where I had a cartoon waifu and would occasionally cry myself to sleep from loneliness. I’m 26 now, I have learned so… Read more »
That’s a good idea, I’ll work up a new page for testimonials.
‘Cougary chick – does the approach Early 40s still lookin ok just early 40s – does the approach’ These women have no shame. They are the absolute worst from women approaching men. I was shopping with my parents standing right next to my mom and dad and this cougar was all smiles and eye fucks. She starts to have a conversation with me and I just blew her off. I mean my parents were right there. Geez. You couldn’t see that a guy in his mid 20s was out with his parents when they were in town and you thought… Read more »
I disagree taterearl… If you’ve never experienced PIV, but have blown the equivalent of a football team, you are hardly a virgin.
In your face feminist!
I’ve never met a woman who claimed to look younger than her age to actually look younger than their age.
Mmm. I don’t usually white knight, but when I do it’s in defense of older women. I usually take the chance to defend older women just because one of my favorites was a woman 16 years older than myself. I was 19-20 and she was still good looking at 36, but pictures of her in her early 20s revealed that she used to be a first rate fox. One thing about older women is that they’re usually much more pleasant to be around than younger girls. I think it’s because they’re grateful to have the attention of a young stud… Read more »
It will excite R. to know that he has many devout acolytes at this point. Ironically, this site is encouraging blind following by unhappy betas instead of grooming strong well adjusted true Alphas.
Rollo,
This here is why I believe you are one of the most attacked with the most attempts to discredit you and your writings. It is because I believe that you and your potential influence literally terrify many women. What you write if absorbed by too many, directly attacks the goal of achieving that female imperative.
“Again, this blog has been an entertaining read, but I take it as seriously as any other entertainment rag out there. With a grain of salt.” “It will excite R. to know that he has many devout acolytes at this point. Ironically, this site is encouraging blind following by unhappy betas instead of grooming strong well adjusted true Alphas.” I would caution any female that reads this blog that I don’t take it as an “entertainment rag”. To me, it is the Gospel According to Saint Rollo. And I don’t doubt that men that read it feel the same way… Read more »
Mike, that’s kind of what I was getting at in The Threat, but I didn’t personalize it.
https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/the-threat/
This is the shit that I’m talking about, Rollo got that der Joe Biden Swag with that Mitt Romny demanor in this post knamean?
Fucking entitled slores, you reap what you sow….
on another note I’m seeing a 42 year old and she treats me like a king, picks up lets me push the new 300, last night I had to tell her to chill she was trying to give me that road head….
good times
[Heh,..300. You’re talking about my ride Solo]
The closer you get to the truth the harder they screech.
Older women’s rationalization is insane, I had an old ‘friend’ who just hit 30, she was a raging feminist slut, like fucking guys multiple times for cocaine money, and now seems to have hit the wall and decides she ‘just wasnt mature back then, and wants to find a mature guy now’.
@ taterearl
Thanks for the tip. I’ll make sure to look that book up.
@ Case and Dada
Thank you for the discussion. It really gave me food for thought on intergender relationships. I think I need to let your views sink in for a while but I will keep your words in mind when I head out into the field.
[…] is comic gold in Time’s Up over at Rollo’s, but I have to highlight this coup de grace of hyperkinetic wheel […]
LOL. Rollo you’ve previously written that ” women’s Sexual Market Value is without doubt the most discussed topic in the manosphere. Try as we may, convincing a woman that her sexual peak lay actually between 18 and 25 is always an effort in debating denial. For all the self-convincing attempts to redefine sexual valuation to the contrary, SMV for women is ultimately decided by Men”.
That still rings as true as ever. And is why it is the number one post on my Best of the Manosphere on Marriage and Age: http://3rdmilleniummen.wordpress.com/2012/08/20/manosphere-female-age-and-sexual-market-value/
“Sure, I would have loved to be married since my 20s, but feel happy I wasn’t like a huge majority of women who rush to get married. If anything, I believe in romantic love too strongly and held on at times when I should’ve let go.” What I find hard to believe is that this women didn’t come across one man good enough to marry. What’s sad is that she probably did come across many good decent men that would have been good husbands and fathers but likely viewed them as not being of greater status than herself. It’s true;… Read more »
“I’ve never met a woman who claimed to look younger than her age to actually look younger than their age.” @xplat You know, I tried microdermabrasion over the summer and, obviously nothing gets rid of wrinkles, but I feel like I look better than I did the months prior. Its a pretty cool thing. I don’t lie about my age though. @jarl: There’s a benefit for women attracted to younger men, too. They have the motivation to really take care of their looks. I know of a couple older women with younger men and they look great- all thanks to… Read more »
“This is only her frustration coming to the slow realization that her hypergamy got the better of her and less quality men are showing up at her front door. ”
Wile E Coyote moment…
A) A pet peeve of mine that whenever women try to debate an idea, they always start talking about their own personal life. Its just another way to gain attention. Guess what lady, your personal story is irrelevant to the bigger idea being discussed. You are probably lying and even if you weren’t, we are not here to talk about you. B) Any woman who tells you she is voluntarily unmarried is probably lying to herself and you. Its easy being “picky” when you aren’t getting picked. Ask for her picture, have a brief chat with her and you will… Read more »
@Harlequin – unfortunately because the majority of males are still blue pill, your average female doesn’t really need to approach because she will have beta orbiters in double digit figures. All she needs to do is change her facebook relationship status to ‘single’ or ‘it’s complicated’ and a whole swath of white knights and common beta orbiters will trip over themselves, trying to ply their beta game at her. Since taking the red pill, beta orbiters stand out to me like those dead people stood out to that six year old kid in 6th Sense. And like Bruce Willis’s character… Read more »
Rooster, her fb relationship status is “closer to being a virgin.”
Preach. Rollo for the win. +1
What I find hard to believe is that this women didn’t come across one man good enough to marry. What’s sad is that she probably did come across many good decent men that would have been good husbands and fathers but likely viewed them as not being of greater status than herself. It’s true; hypergamy doesn’t care about anything than meeting its base needs. Yes and no: because if it was all about “base needs” then she (and many other women) would go on and “settle” for decent (less titillating?) men. Also “closer to a virgin” is a pretty amazing… Read more »
“In order for one gender to maintain a social dominance in terms of breeding methodologies, the other must be characterized in the negative. This is why men’s polygyny is socially vilified while women’s hypergamy is the accepted norm.” 1. I am often confused by your terminology. What is a breeding methodology? Is it the study of breeding methods? Is it a system of breeding methods? What is a breeding method? I would appreciate if you could create a glossary that describes your terminology. I would actually love if you could create a glossary. 2. The presented reasoning is flawed. Why… Read more »
One of the very signs the man is still plugged balls deep in the matrix is his effort to EXPLAIN anything to women. Women are NOT our equals. They are not receptive to logic, ideas, words. They are receptive to matter – our bodies, our dicks, status and power, dominance, strenght, aggresivity, while these things trogger automatic programs in them – acquisitive mode, “love”, anger, frustration, FEAR, etc.
If you want to actually communicate with women, you have to communicate with their CORE.
“how snarky guys view the average chick in my demographic.” Should rewrite that as “how average guys view the snarky chick in my demographic.” Even if we don’t rewrite it, women expecting men to be welcoming and friendly after 20+ years of rejection (say 15 to 35+) by the same women and their sistehs, while the same sistehs were banging their pussies into nuclear waste mines, requires a whole colony of hamsters on russian steroids. It is not that the banging away is bad by itself, it is the “Now I have a new life, I am ready for commitment,… Read more »
@Rooster
Heh on betas standing out now…since the red pill when I see beta behavior it makes ME sick to my stomach. I can even feel it when I slip up.
I’d hate to think what women actually think.
Very good comment, Gregg. I’ll riff off of that: Gregg has put his finger on a major shift in relationship attitude here. I hear many guys say things like “I don’t want to be her Daddy”. Yes, it’s more common for men to prefer a relationship between peers, where the girl is treated as a partner. I suggest that’s not the dynamic that women are built for. They settle into relationships with much more sustainable passion when the man is the leader. When he does act like her authority figure in her life – like her Daddy. I understand that… Read more »
noooo!! for god’s sake what we need now to preserve the “status quo” is more… GERONTOPHILIES!!! (tongue in cheek)
“Ironically, this site is encouraging blind following by unhappy betas instead of grooming strong well adjusted true Alphas.”
Translation: the more men read this site, the less likely they’d find the hair on my cougar nipples sexy, so I must shame them by calling them un-alpha.
More translation: And my 3 friends that swooped up women in the 30-39 age range instead of opting for younger, hotter, more fertile wives — those guys are the true alphas.
Spin, spin, spin, spin
Golly gosh, that lady needs to do some reading in the spinstersphere. She doesn’t understand how difficult it become for women to find husbands in their late thirties to forties. She needs to read The Bitter Babe’s blog for a while to see the reality of the situation.
Also, if she’s “closer to being a virgin” in her mid- to late- thirties, she’s likely either very overweight or frigid. Even Christian women are sexually active by then.
1. I am often confused by your terminology. What is a breeding methodology? Read through my writing a bit more. Each sex has an individualized sexual strategy (polygyny for men, pluralistic hypergamy for women). When I refer to breeding methods or methodology these are the particular means by which each sex seeks to satisfy those strategies. These means can be social, behavioral and psychological schemas. 2. If men are only interested in short term mating, why did pair bonding appear in the first place? For many men hypergamously perfected marriage would be the best outcome because they cannot guard multiple… Read more »
I appreciate your detailed response, Rollo. “You are correct in assuming hypergamously perfected marriage is the ideal situation, but only insofar as it pertains to a man’s capacity to breed with multiple women. IOW, monogamy is a more pragmatic breeding methodology for Beta men.” This statement touches the main point I wanted to make. Hypergamously marriage is the ideal sexual strategy for women. It is also the pragmatic sexual strategy for women and beta men (IOW most men. Even alpha men do not stay on top forever.) Women and men are makers and the arbiters of this socially approved sexual… Read more »
This is the salient point from the Mrs. Hyde post: According to strategic pluralism theory (Gangestad & Simpson, 2000), men have evolved to pursue reproductive strategies that are contingent on their value on the mating market. More attractive men accrue reproductive benefits from spending more time seeking multiple mating partners and relatively less time investing in offspring. In contrast, the reproductive effort of less attractive men, who do not have the same mating opportunities, is better allocated to investing heavily in their mates and offspring and spending relatively less time seeking additional mates. From a woman’s perspective, the ideal is… Read more »
Awhile back I was talking to a girl I know, and the subject of sex came up. She’s in her mid 30’s, and was telling me about how she had remained single and turned down multiple marriage proposals in her 20’s because “it just didn’t feel right”. She also said that during her 20’s she wasn’t “mature” enough to have been able to handle a marriage. Wouldn’t ya know, soon after she turned 30 she went out of town for work and had a weekend fling (which she regrets!) and upon returning home she “discovered” that her best friend male… Read more »
With the “End of Men” and other articles floating around today about how postscarcity society is favoring women more and more, they have failed to note that while women “no longer need” a man to provide her with the resources needed to survive, men also now have a lot more *time* to choose a woman. For some “inexplicable reason” women like cock and women like having a family, and men are necessary for that, no matter how irrelevant they might become elsewhere. Men may indeed no longer be able to bang the hot chicks of today. But they can bang… Read more »
Is it me or do a lot of AFC’s who open their eyes begin to sound a bit bitter. What I’ve learnt from Rollo’s blog is that a lot of a woman’s behavior when it comes to mating is because of hypergamy, I don’t really see the need for all this ‘run hamster run’ stuff .I mean, many women are just acting acting biological cues when they’re at that age soo . . . Just saying, the way in which this post was finished sounded a bit unfair. Obviously a woman wants a man that can cheat but won’t, but… Read more »
Sorry for the poor grammar and repeated words in my comment above
One thing you realize while growing older is that women really do “fall off the cliff”. It happens at a different age for every girl, but the decline is severe and dramatic. I’ve seen friends go from “pretty” to “old lady” within a year; and they *know* they’ve become invisible to men — all the quick glances and flirty interactions they’ve enjoyed since their teens instantly evaporate. Some girls get fat and worn-out in the late twenties, others “still got it” going into their 40s. But despite “Sex In The City” propaganda that 45 year old actresses can still bang… Read more »
Chances are this woman was also “snarky” when she was 22; however back then she was young and (probably) hot so it didn’t really hurt her. Most guys will put up with a lot of shit from a girl, as long as the girl is hot and the sex is good.
It’s only when a woman approaches the wall and her looks start to fade that her “snarky” attitude starts to work against her.
@thebloggerssoliloquy, Everyone knows men want something that is hot, young, tight. So much so that men spend their llives being socialized to sublimate their simian sub-programming and take female virtues into account that serve the purposes of the larger civilization, or even just of a long-term relationship where in general the female partner over time loses SMV more precipitously than the male. At the same time, there are a thousand cultural tropes designed to conceal from everyone, men and women alike, that women too have simian subprograms, and they are every bit as vacuous and banal as men’s. This site… Read more »
“I don’t give it up and am closer to being a virgin based on my limited picky dating habits.”
Oh, what an adorable hamster. Almost a virgin!
@Case “At the same time, there are a thousand cultural tropes designed to conceal from everyone, men and women alike, that women too have simian subprograms, and they are every bit as vacuous and banal as men’s. This site stands out from others for unreservedly and unapologetically exposing those tropes. We do not fault women for the simian ancestry that we share. We object to the fact that while we have been acculturated to sublimate our own natures, women are free to indulge in their own unexamined, and uncritiqued.” A very fine statement, and you’ve pretty much answered me there.… Read more »
Like G–d Lo-ve doesn’t exist. It’s a trope. All of us Lothario’s; or maybe Romeo’s, perhaps Melmoth’s, or even Ba’al’zeb’u’ub’s; or Devil’s. I was told last night I am both God and the Devil. It lured her into my bed, and drove her away from her own desire’s. Knowledge. However when naive one can believe in it. One being a woman, or a man lying to himself. I have turned away three different women in the last 24 hours, after they wandered into my bed, or I made my way into their’s, because of their apparent boyfriend. He never existed.… Read more »
Without a doubt, the single most damaging thing to women is men talking, in large numbers, about their shared experience with women. That’s what makes the internet so dangerous and that’s why it’s so easy to see this woman’s thinly veiled contempt for this and similar blogs. Women like to sit on the sidelines and choose winners, but they don’t want the victors or the vanquished to talk about it.
“Without a doubt, the single most damaging thing to women is men talking, in large numbers, about their shared experience with women. That’s what makes the internet so dangerous and that’s why it’s so easy to see this woman’s thinly veiled contempt for this and similar blogs.Women like to sit on the sidelines and choose winners, but they don’t want the victors or the vanquished to talk about it.”
Gilligan wins the thread.
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Gilligan’s comment is check mate. The whole deal. The entirety of animosity towards the manosphere. Women want to control the narrative. And why don’t they want the victors and vanquished to talk? Because they still might need something from the vanquished (such as beta providership once the party is over), and the chances they’ll give it to the dimishes if the betas know what’s really going on. One commenter (Deti maybe) described what women want the best: That they want the feeling of danger/excitement with the risk of danger/excitement being removed; the thrill but the assurance it will all be… Read more »
Gilligan’s comment is check mate. The whole deal. The entirety of animosity towards the manosphere. Women want to control the narrative. And why don’t they want the victors and vanquished to talk? Because they still might need something from the vanquished (such as beta providership once the party is over), and the chances they’ll give it to the dimishes if the betas know what’s really going on. Yes, very true! It is interesting. At least for now, I still participate and comment at Susan Walsh’s Hooking Up Smart partly because I desire to represent the positive masculinist perspective on some… Read more »
Mike C:
I don`t get how Susan Walsh can call you confrontational in her style when she is VERY confrontational in her style when attacking you, other guys there, and ideas in the sphere. She is very hostile in a lot of her writing.
Mike C, underneath the pleasantries, advocates of the feminine imperative know that the basis of their ideology cannot hold up against critical review. Thus anything that challenges that ideology is considered confrontational, hostile or as evidence of the challenger’s past experiences making him biased against the imperative’s motives. Your most cogent, well thought and thoroughly evidenced arguments will never persuade people who’s egos are invested in the feminine imperative. Sugar coating terms doesn’t change their meanings, so you’ll still come off as ‘adversarial’ whether or not you call Hypergamy “Hypergamy” or “Feminine Enlightened Self-Interest”. It’s not the terminology that offends,… Read more »
underneath the pleasantries, advocates of the feminine imperative know that the basis of their ideology cannot hold up against critical review. Thus anything that challenges that ideology is considered confrontational, hostile or as evidence of the challenger’s past experiences making him biased against the imperative’s motives.
Well, yes and no. This is true but more than that. Due to solipsism, a disagreement of ideas is not perceived as a disagreement with ideas, but as a personal attack.
“Well, yes and no. This is true but more than that. Due to solipsism, a disagreement of ideas is not perceived as a disagreement with ideas, but as a personal attack.”
Sometimes I think Susan is trying to feed herself the blue pill again.
Mike C, underneath the pleasantries, advocates of the feminine imperative know that the basis of their ideology cannot hold up against critical review. Thus anything that challenges that ideology is considered confrontational, hostile or as evidence of the challenger’s past experiences making him biased against the imperative’s motives. Your most cogent, well thought and thoroughly evidenced arguments will never persuade people who’s egos are invested in the feminine imperative. Yes, I suspect you are right on this. I guess at one time I hoped/expected more. On a different note, my sense is you review some of the studies out there… Read more »
But given the combination of the influence of social media, the difficulty of Game itself, and the dismal prospects of plugged-in and/or Beta men, it seems possible that not all, or even most, 40-yr old women, post-Wall women will be unable to get laid should they so desire it.
This YouTube video (which is audio only), raises a good argument for this very possibility.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N50ZxRSdWh8&nofeather=True
Thoughts?
And I agree with, FuriousFerret, that is one creepy ass photo. I’m also not sure how it pertains to this post. Can anyone enlighten me?
It makes me cringe that a woman on her 35 years call her demographic “chicks”…
Long time reader, frequent SS poster, I want to pose the following question to see what you all think. I don’t have any friends in real life I can talk to about this kind of thing so its hard to get constructive feedback on ones observations. This article brings up the two different sexual mating strategies in which one must prevail – in this case the womens. I don’t question this since it is the women at the onset which dictates how any relationship moves forward. However, with that in mind, we come to the male’s sexual strategy which is… Read more »
Uhmmmm, I really wonder if that “female Rational Reader” is really a woman, or was that writing just crafted by the author himself/ a male/ a troll? Her “insight” seems soooo cliche. Well, I’m female (yeah, really) and I don’t mind the “red pill” at all. Always thought that way, actually. And what about >open marriage<? Makes life in our society so much more enjoyable. Both husband and wife can have some fun on the side (the husband can have the younger hot chicks and the wife can have some tasty men/adventures from time to time). Not every marriage has… Read more »
LOL- to all those commenters who think women don’t approach.
They do!
It’s just that your average AFC has no idea what constitutes an approach by a woman.
You need to remove your guy goggles and stop looking for approaches by a woman being done the way a guy would do them.
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“I’m sure Kate Bolick is crying bitter tears for you as she counts all the licensing and advertising money she’s earning from pandering to your demographic on TV and in The Atlantic.”
HAHAHAHAAH!….Good one sensei!
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Great article, Rollo. “Ironically, this site is encouraging blind following by unhappy betas instead of grooming strong well adjusted true Alphas.” Only alphas read and respect TRM blogs and books. They may be blue pill or purple pill alphas when they first arrive, but they are still alphas. They have just lost their way. TRM knowledge is not for betas. Only an alpha male will take action on this wisdom and do the work it takes to transform out of blue pill state, because he is willing to take responsibility to create his life according to his own mission. Beta… Read more »
women need to watch more basketball… to learn about the shot clock.
i guess they feel they can just keep dribbling the ball… waiting for the perfect time to shoot it… desperately hoping the shot will fall and win the game (perfect guy + marriage).
but they ignore the shot clock… bc everyone is watching the dribbler (attention)… and it tick-tocks to 0:00.
then it’s game over… the gym is empty, but they’re still dribbling a ball with less air… while begging to change the rules of the game.
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