Swallow the Red Pill, and dont you dare throw it up.
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Hero
11 years ago
Just heard the song Cruel To Be Kind by Nick Lowe. Haven’t thought about the lyrics to that song in a while. Speaks to the AFC experience… Oh, I can’t take another heartache, Though you say you’re my friend, I’m at my wits’ end! You say you’re love is bona fide, But that don’t coincide with the things that you do And when I ask you to be nice, you say You’ve gotta be Cruel to be kind in the right measure, Cruel to be kind it’s a very good sign, Cruel to be kind means that I love you,… Read more »
feral1404
11 years ago
Her: “I love you.”
Me: “I love you too, Babe. But…”
Her: “But what?”
Me: “If you fuck up, I’ll replace you.”
Her: “Uh…ok.”
Me: “But I DO love you. You believe that, don’t you?”
Her: “Of course… um.” hamster hamster hamster hamster hamster
Yep, this isn’t even a parody, stereotype or exaggeration for comedic effect. That’s how the majority of guys think. Because of female physical and emotional weakness, endearing naivety, sensitivity, vulnerability, cute silliness, powerful sexuality, we imagine them as morally innocent and pure. We wish them to be, we need them to be morally pure in this harsh life. The foundation of game is letting that false hope go and dealing with reality, and adapting to it. Women can be just as vicious, cruel and calculating as men, and even more so when we add in their cunning and sneaky passive… Read more »
SouthTX
11 years ago
CastleD July 19th, 2012 at 6:23 pm “Yep, this isn’t even a parody, stereotype or exaggeration for comedic effect. That’s how the majority of guys think. Because of female physical and emotional weakness, endearing naivety, sensitivity, vulnerability, cute silliness, powerful sexuality, we imagine them as morally innocent and pure. We wish them to be, we need them to be morally pure in this harsh life. The foundation of game is letting that false hope go and dealing with reality, and adapting to it. Women can be just as vicious, cruel and calculating as men, and even more so when we… Read more »
It’s “the free drinks dynamic”. Girls want the power to entice you with the promise of sex, without actually promising sex. Some 21 going on 15 years old student tried to play me for a chump last week. I’d seen her on a dating site, and hit her up for a date. She tried to change plans at the last minute, having me meet her and all her friends at her dorm, and then stay in, rather than meeting me at a bar/restaurant. Of course I passed on that, rescheduled, and then didn’t call her to confirm the rescheduled date.… Read more »
PaleoGuy
11 years ago
Wow.
Just wow.
That comic about sums up my adolescence.
Also sums up being single throughout my early twenties.
Also sums up my attitude in relationships until about a year and a half ago, when I discovered sites like this.
Holy shit was I ever a clueless chump.
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Jaromaenner
11 years ago
This is a great example of a sugar-coated red pill – it contains undiluted red pill teachings, stated very blankly, but in a somehow socially acceptable form. Very often, I am tempted to introduce friends and acquaintances to the manosphere, but am all too aware that if I direct them to something a little too forcefully argued, they will balk. It would be interesting to put together a list of links that could serve as a deviously uncontroversial introduction to red pill thinking. I can think of two types of writings that would fit the bill: 1) Posts that illuminate… Read more »
First of all, love xkcd. <3 Jaromaenner is right – having more of these "neutral" introductions to the red pill would be a great way to get a lot more people on board. As a woman who went from Sheila Gregoire, to Dalrock, to Roissy, wow! At Roissy, I almost turned back! Thank goodness I didn't give it up, since I love this blog! (Yay psychology!) Second, this is totally off topic, but I don't know where else to put this. I need Dr. Rollo's help! The nutshell is, my boyfriend and I are both early twennies, and from a… Read more »
@peoplegrowing , that’s an interesting question, but no matter how much info you give it’s still going to be difficult to have enough info to make a helpful comment.
I may be able to ask helpful questions though. Why are you with the guy if the sexual chemistry is tepid? Have you considered just getting a new guy?
@xsplat: First of all, thanks for the response. I think your questions are meant rhetorically, but I’ll give an answer just in case. First, although there’s not much sex, we have great chemistry in everything else. He claims he’s never had a very high drive, which I am willing to believe, based on what I know of him. Also, I think that is something which will improve once he is able to get counseling (he’s genetically predisposed to bipolar and depression and had a pretty rough childhood). Basically, I think this is an area which, when he gets around to… Read more »
BlueLion
11 years ago
@peoplegrowing
You are dissatisfied with aspects of who he is.
My advice would be to stop trying to change someone as you will never succeed and find another guy who meets your needs. Focus only on what YOU can change.
Bluelions advice is sound. If you were a man asking for advice giving the exact same backstory, many would advise you to either fix the problem or leave. You might not be able to fix this problem. And don’t kid yourself that it is minor. Unless it is? For some women, sex can be a trivial concern. But for others – like the kinds I prefer to date it is a very major, indeed a primary – no THE primary component of the relationship. It’s true that men have widely varying libidos. As do women. A mismatch is never a… Read more »
SpecialK
11 years ago
@ people: Guys with a low sex drive typically have low testosterone levels. Would you describe your guy as being low-energy, frequently unmotivated, and prone to fits of moodyness? Testosterone suppliments aren’t available over the counter, but if all of the above are due to low T it’s well worth a trip to the doctor to fix. I do something similar for my guy friends whenever they’re in a low-T part of their life (you can tell with a bit of experience). I just bring ’em to my kickboxing gym and make the guys lift weights and punch someone in… Read more »
S
11 years ago
If you really love him I suggest you hold on perhaps another year, insist on him getting counselling (when a man doesn’t want sex I would personally put it down to one of four things a) gay b) just not that into you c) affair d) depression e) stress..correct me if I’m wrong guys)…it sounds like he might be depressed or have some intimacy issues arising from his troubled childhood. If so he needs to see a professional, you cannot fix him..you swooping in there to try and fix him is called codependency and it sucks. Let him know that… Read more »
S
11 years ago
five things…***
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SpecialK
11 years ago
S. Since you asked, I’ll correct you politely.
a) gay b) not that into you and c) affair do not qualify as a man who doesn’t want sex. He does, he just wants it with someone else.
@peoplegrowing – you mention that he’s got some mental health issues. That could have something to do with low drive. On the other hand, you may be in a tragic situation where you guys fit really well together *but* he’s not physically attracted to you or maybe he just has lower sex drive than you. Both may function as poison to your relationship later on. You sound like a nice girl. The solution is pretty simple – you either accept who he is, find out what is changeable and work with him to the extent he really desires to change;… Read more »
A
11 years ago
You know, I’ve never been able to figure out the XKCD guy. A lot of his comics have the same “beta mentality” as this one, but the possibility is always there that he’s actually mocking the beta. There’s also the gender imbalance. Whenever he needs a hacker in his comics he almost always uses a woman (who usually bests the men). There’s a multi-part comic about a “guru hacker mom” who raises a “guru hacker daughter”, for instance. We all know that this is in stark contrast with reality. Anyone ever work in software development? Sausage fest. The few women… Read more »
Sam Spade
11 years ago
Hilarious. And yet Marmaduke and Garfield get all the syndication – go figure.
Sorry to say this, but the XKCD author is ultimately beneath contempt. The subtext here is that he thinks all nerds who weren’t lucky enough to be able to find a girl by “being themselves” should be mocked for trying to improve their lot.
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HolySwordFarewell
11 years ago
Your arguments are well constructed and offer a good alternative to our currently accepted world view, and it has really changed the way I see things, but I have this question to both you, and anyone who has an answer as I have been struggling with it lately: Essentially the argument can be boiled down to this that girls have overinflated value, and guys placating to that is a mistake, and an alpha/player will not. But the problem I have, is isnt the very nature of seeking sex from a girl ultimately giving HER power, because whether you take it,… Read more »
koevoet
11 years ago
@DB, yeah. Most of his stuff looks pretty rotten. After reading some others of his, perhaps the one posted in the OP could be looked at through a feminist lens. This lesser guy deserve to be shamed because he never really had the special little princess’ best interests in his heart, only his own selfish man desires. If he had been a better man and had given her what she really wanted she would have chosen to bless him with her spoiled poes.
Fuck, I can’t believe I just wrote that. Time to wash my eyes out with soap…
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DB
11 years ago
@HolySword: It is worthwhile to know what methods of seeking sex and companionship are actually effective, and what methods are not. You want to find a happy medium where you’re getting what you want in your interactions with girl(s)–this typically means giving them *less* power than you would by being a “nice guy”, but it usually does not mean letting them have none at all. (Your mileage may vary, but I can’t even stand to sleep with a girl who isn’t capable of challenging me, let alone have a relationship with one.) I have no problem with hermits, but pretty… Read more »
“Would not the most ‘badass’ guy be the one who does not need women in any form in his life?”
Even if that were “true”, who cares? Most guys who study game aren’t studying to be bad ass. They studying to get laid.
If I wasn’t in SE Asia, I’d just as soon use your concept of badass to clean my ass. Over here we use water.
I mean, really. Who cares?
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driveallnight
11 years ago
The bum-gun. All hail!
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daniel
11 years ago
In the last panel, girl could’ve replied: But you don’t respect yourself!
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GeishaKate
11 years ago
I can think of three white knight stories. In all three cases, the women had a child from a previous marriage or relationship. In one case the woman was seven years older, in another she was five years older, and in the third they are the same age. None of these couples have had additional children together. The last scenario has, in my opinion, the highest chance of happiness in the long run. It is truly a sweet story of the high school guy who watched the girl he liked go for the bad boy. He stayed in orbit enough… Read more »
Hey guys – I just wanted to thank everyone who had ideas for me. As Diego pointed out (kinda) I know this isn’t exactly the perfect place, but I really appreciate getting some honest male feedback. My BF already intends to see a counselor (he was working on that even before we met, so it’s not even just me being a battle axe :P), and I know better than to think that I can “fix him” – but what I wanted, and got, was advice for how I can help him and smooth the way for him. Sorry if that… Read more »
The nutshell is, my boyfriend and I are both early twenties, and from a game/PUA perspective we’ve done everything wrong and bass-awkwards, but there’s chemistry, there’s commitment, etc. First of all, ignore all advice from women. (Commenter “S” is a woman.) Second, your boyfriend is classic beta. Read as much as you can about their assumptions and behavior. Third — and this is an area where the manosphere is deficient — a woman has to take charge of her man’s betatude. It is your job to inspire him to be the man you want him (and he wants himself) to… Read more »
XKCD is a dork. A clever, observant, and industrious dork, but a dork nonetheless. There is a hard ceiling to his understanding of women. High-functioning omega.
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S
11 years ago
@King A (Matthew King),
I was watching it today and immediately thought back to the strip above..Robert De Niro as the man dedicated to the woman who’s not in love with him. Well..
GeishaKate wrote: It is truly a sweet story of the high school guy who watched the girl he liked go for the bad boy. He stayed in orbit enough to be there when it crumbled and now they are together and to all appearances, quite happy. A “sweet story”? No, a tragedy. A typical, unnecessary, repulsive beta tragedy. “Quite happy”? There are more important matters in life than happiness. One of them is dignity. No woman, no matter how hard he crushed on her, no matter how patient his orbiting had been, is worth the abdication of manhood required of… Read more »
HA! I love it when one who is erudite uses a term like “dork”. It hits the mark in such a tremendous way.
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GeishaKate
11 years ago
“It is a furtherance of the feminist myth of cake-eating and -having,” It is nothing of the kind. It is acknowledgement of the rarity of a person finding a second chance at happiness. Don’t worry, he is “sufficiently” alpha and mocks her ruthlessly to her great enjoyment. ” But an alpha female of sufficient virtue can demand exclusivity without turning him into a castrated beta.” I’ve never found demands to be particularly effective. The only way to know someone wants something for sure is if they offer it themselves of their own volition. ” When women ask us to reconcile… Read more »
@Matt King: Thanks for your reply, but, honestly, I kinda feel like I am doing those things? I specifically stated I was blowing off fem-centric marriage advice blogs and coming to an “unlikely” place like this to get male feedback. The reason I cam here was to figure out everything that _I_ could do to help him feel more like a man, to be more confident and more sexual (which, I think once the ball gets rolling, should be a positive feedback loop – that’s why I focused on sex for now, figuring that would help to encourage and drive… Read more »
” But an alpha female of sufficient virtue can demand exclusivity without turning him into a castrated beta.” I’ve never found demands to be particularly effective. The only way to know someone wants something for sure is if they offer it themselves of their own volition. -Indeed, the majority (at least, of what I’ve seen) of the manosphere indicates dumping a demanding woman. However, I think there is a difference between literally stating a demand (which doesn’t work well with men at all, and will have mixed results with women) and “demanding” in the same sense that you “demand respect”… Read more »
peoplegrowing wrote: I think there is a difference between literally stating a demand (which doesn’t work well with men at all, and will have mixed results with women) and “demanding” in the same sense that you “demand respect” by virtue of being above disrespect. An alpha female would not have to literally, verbally demand a man to be faithful. Exactly. When I say “demands,” I don’t mean the feminist-inspired shrewery that encourages women to give shrill voice to every desire. I mean being worthy enough to inspire the fidelity of a strong man, or better put, to wordlessly convince a… Read more »
It was not meant that way, Matt. I just don’t understand all this backlash against white knights. Sometimes a person just can’t appreciate another’s worth until some other event changes how they perceive them. This is usually not a change in the other person, although it can be; it is usually a change in the person doing the perceiving. For instance, time in knowing someone is a definite factor in how a person is viewed. Some people are more likeable as time goes by and others are less. Sometimes its an element of appearance that changes the perception: like when… Read more »
Simon Corso
11 years ago
GK : I just don’t understand all this backlash against white knights. Haven’t entirely followed the dialogue up to this point but I wanted to address this specific statement in my own way . The way men view white knights is approximate to the way women view sluts. No matter how much a woman screws up or screws over the men in her life there will always be a white knight to take her in and hold her tight , always , at least until she hits the wall. Consciously or subconsciously women know this. White knights lower all mens… Read more »
Thanks, Matt, for the elaboration. That’s much more useful, and I will strive to put it into practice. ^-^
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Tertullian
11 years ago
@ GeishaKate: “I’ll try to be more careful with my words if you will do the same.”
Good luck with that one, dear. “King A (Matthew King)’s” entire schtick is based on the gratuitious, needless insult, leavened with arrogance and sprinkled with a dash of obscure, meaningless quotes. Asking him to be more careful with his words is like asking a bear to stop shitting in the woods. Ain’t gonna happen.
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GeishaKate
11 years ago
King A’s opinions are very valuable to me, which is why it upsets me when we clash. It is too easy to become lax in manners with people one has become familiar and perhaps I tease too much.
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Tertullian
11 years ago
@ GeishaKate: I hope you read King A’s opinions for substance, not style. Trash is still trash, no matter how brightly colored the packaging.
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walawala
11 years ago
I just had a chat with a girl I’m gaming who’s constantly shit-testing. In one of our exchanges she was saying she wanted someone to “take care of me”. My response: “Spank your ass”. Women despise the thing they claim they most want. I never realized this until I was LBJF’d and rejected so many times. Game allows you to read the signs and understand better what needs to be done. I was a a big dance festival last weekend. Hottest girl there had been giving me IOI’s all weekend. I was dancing with all the hot women. Then at… Read more »
GeishaKate wrote: Sometimes a person just can’t appreciate another’s worth until some other event changes how they perceive them. This is usually not a change in the other person, although it can be; it is usually a change in the person doing the perceiving. Exactly the problem. Your femme-centric understanding of relationships presumes the female perception should be the controlling perception. It simply will not do for a woman to place her asset with the wrong caretaker and then suffer no consequence for her profligacy. The woman’s misperception creates and sustains the syndrome. She has to own up to it… Read more »
And, not incidentally, your little side-discussion about manners and style is an example of online white knightery, insouciantly and unconsciously fed by the distressed damsel. It is indicative by example of what we were discussing in the abstract. I am glad it appeared.
Matt
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GeishaKate
11 years ago
“Your femme-centric understanding of relationships presumes the female perception should be the controlling perception.” I presume nothing of the sort. I am simply explaining how things work. You think women aren’t suffering from the consequences? I assure you- they are. If I chose to, that’s what I could read/listen to all day. Suffering. Endless suffering. What would you need to hear a woman say to own up to what happened? What would be the words that would show you a woman knows the spots on her soul and is not a brazen hussy? I’d really like to know. Many women… Read more »
What would you need to hear a woman say to own up to what happened? What would be the words that would show you a woman knows the spots on her soul and is not a brazen hussy? I’d really like to know. Talk is cheap. There are no words! Read Stingray’s latest: “What I was expecting from him was a reaction to me based on something as if I had already accomplished it, not the reaction to my saying I would do it.” There lies the fundamental disconnect. Confession is not absolution is not reconciliation. Penance and firm purpose… Read more »
Tertullian
11 years ago
@ GeishaKate: you expect kindness and support from “King A (Matthew King),” a man who cannot post a single comment without demeaning or insulting someone?
Good luck with that, Kate. This bible-thumping, scripture-quoting maniac will tell you what a whore you are — and then spend twenty verbose paragraphs palming off his insult as some sort of favor to you.
As I said earlier: trash is still trash, no matter how ornate the package.
As I said earlier: trash is still trash, no matter how ornate the package. On the other hand, a pearl is still a pearl, even if you have to dig through muck to get to it. When I posted my original question, I knew very well that there would probably be at least a few comments that were nothing but abuse (I have actually been surprised on this account! Nothing so far!), as well as several which might be helpful, but couched in crass language or at least very hard to hear (Matthew’s comments would seem to fit), and maybe… Read more »
[…] little shit. These guys deserve respect, others dont. Girls cant say all guys are the same anymore, because I’m like one of those guys who would protect their girlfriends no matter what. Because I’m […]
i swear i just saw my adolescent life flash before my eyes. Every panel in this comic sans the second panel was me before game.
After game, i stopped at the second panel and never looked back.
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was awesome!
Yep very good.
Enjoyed this video from Athol’s blog – worth a watch if you haven’t seen it:
He got OWNED! This is why I started back in the game and haven’t looked back.
Swallow the Red Pill, and dont you dare throw it up.
Just heard the song Cruel To Be Kind by Nick Lowe. Haven’t thought about the lyrics to that song in a while. Speaks to the AFC experience… Oh, I can’t take another heartache, Though you say you’re my friend, I’m at my wits’ end! You say you’re love is bona fide, But that don’t coincide with the things that you do And when I ask you to be nice, you say You’ve gotta be Cruel to be kind in the right measure, Cruel to be kind it’s a very good sign, Cruel to be kind means that I love you,… Read more »
Her: “I love you.”
Me: “I love you too, Babe. But…”
Her: “But what?”
Me: “If you fuck up, I’ll replace you.”
Her: “Uh…ok.”
Me: “But I DO love you. You believe that, don’t you?”
Her: “Of course… um.” hamster hamster hamster hamster hamster
Cue zero resistance sessy-time.
Thank you red pill. Thank you so much.
The warped genius of xkcd. FTW!
Yep, this isn’t even a parody, stereotype or exaggeration for comedic effect. That’s how the majority of guys think. Because of female physical and emotional weakness, endearing naivety, sensitivity, vulnerability, cute silliness, powerful sexuality, we imagine them as morally innocent and pure. We wish them to be, we need them to be morally pure in this harsh life. The foundation of game is letting that false hope go and dealing with reality, and adapting to it. Women can be just as vicious, cruel and calculating as men, and even more so when we add in their cunning and sneaky passive… Read more »
CastleD July 19th, 2012 at 6:23 pm “Yep, this isn’t even a parody, stereotype or exaggeration for comedic effect. That’s how the majority of guys think. Because of female physical and emotional weakness, endearing naivety, sensitivity, vulnerability, cute silliness, powerful sexuality, we imagine them as morally innocent and pure. We wish them to be, we need them to be morally pure in this harsh life. The foundation of game is letting that false hope go and dealing with reality, and adapting to it. Women can be just as vicious, cruel and calculating as men, and even more so when we… Read more »
It’s “the free drinks dynamic”. Girls want the power to entice you with the promise of sex, without actually promising sex. Some 21 going on 15 years old student tried to play me for a chump last week. I’d seen her on a dating site, and hit her up for a date. She tried to change plans at the last minute, having me meet her and all her friends at her dorm, and then stay in, rather than meeting me at a bar/restaurant. Of course I passed on that, rescheduled, and then didn’t call her to confirm the rescheduled date.… Read more »
Wow.
Just wow.
That comic about sums up my adolescence.
Also sums up being single throughout my early twenties.
Also sums up my attitude in relationships until about a year and a half ago, when I discovered sites like this.
Holy shit was I ever a clueless chump.
This is a great example of a sugar-coated red pill – it contains undiluted red pill teachings, stated very blankly, but in a somehow socially acceptable form. Very often, I am tempted to introduce friends and acquaintances to the manosphere, but am all too aware that if I direct them to something a little too forcefully argued, they will balk. It would be interesting to put together a list of links that could serve as a deviously uncontroversial introduction to red pill thinking. I can think of two types of writings that would fit the bill: 1) Posts that illuminate… Read more »
First of all, love xkcd. <3 Jaromaenner is right – having more of these "neutral" introductions to the red pill would be a great way to get a lot more people on board. As a woman who went from Sheila Gregoire, to Dalrock, to Roissy, wow! At Roissy, I almost turned back! Thank goodness I didn't give it up, since I love this blog! (Yay psychology!) Second, this is totally off topic, but I don't know where else to put this. I need Dr. Rollo's help! The nutshell is, my boyfriend and I are both early twennies, and from a… Read more »
@peoplegrowing , that’s an interesting question, but no matter how much info you give it’s still going to be difficult to have enough info to make a helpful comment.
I may be able to ask helpful questions though. Why are you with the guy if the sexual chemistry is tepid? Have you considered just getting a new guy?
@xsplat: First of all, thanks for the response. I think your questions are meant rhetorically, but I’ll give an answer just in case. First, although there’s not much sex, we have great chemistry in everything else. He claims he’s never had a very high drive, which I am willing to believe, based on what I know of him. Also, I think that is something which will improve once he is able to get counseling (he’s genetically predisposed to bipolar and depression and had a pretty rough childhood). Basically, I think this is an area which, when he gets around to… Read more »
@peoplegrowing
You are dissatisfied with aspects of who he is.
My advice would be to stop trying to change someone as you will never succeed and find another guy who meets your needs. Focus only on what YOU can change.
Bluelions advice is sound. If you were a man asking for advice giving the exact same backstory, many would advise you to either fix the problem or leave. You might not be able to fix this problem. And don’t kid yourself that it is minor. Unless it is? For some women, sex can be a trivial concern. But for others – like the kinds I prefer to date it is a very major, indeed a primary – no THE primary component of the relationship. It’s true that men have widely varying libidos. As do women. A mismatch is never a… Read more »
@ people: Guys with a low sex drive typically have low testosterone levels. Would you describe your guy as being low-energy, frequently unmotivated, and prone to fits of moodyness? Testosterone suppliments aren’t available over the counter, but if all of the above are due to low T it’s well worth a trip to the doctor to fix. I do something similar for my guy friends whenever they’re in a low-T part of their life (you can tell with a bit of experience). I just bring ’em to my kickboxing gym and make the guys lift weights and punch someone in… Read more »
If you really love him I suggest you hold on perhaps another year, insist on him getting counselling (when a man doesn’t want sex I would personally put it down to one of four things a) gay b) just not that into you c) affair d) depression e) stress..correct me if I’m wrong guys)…it sounds like he might be depressed or have some intimacy issues arising from his troubled childhood. If so he needs to see a professional, you cannot fix him..you swooping in there to try and fix him is called codependency and it sucks. Let him know that… Read more »
five things…***
S. Since you asked, I’ll correct you politely.
a) gay b) not that into you and c) affair do not qualify as a man who doesn’t want sex. He does, he just wants it with someone else.
Well duh. 😉 ..thanks. 🙂
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hahaha… brilliant
Younin’s,
There’s a movie y’all should watch.
“Last American Virgin”
That is all.
@peoplegrowing – you mention that he’s got some mental health issues. That could have something to do with low drive. On the other hand, you may be in a tragic situation where you guys fit really well together *but* he’s not physically attracted to you or maybe he just has lower sex drive than you. Both may function as poison to your relationship later on. You sound like a nice girl. The solution is pretty simple – you either accept who he is, find out what is changeable and work with him to the extent he really desires to change;… Read more »
You know, I’ve never been able to figure out the XKCD guy. A lot of his comics have the same “beta mentality” as this one, but the possibility is always there that he’s actually mocking the beta. There’s also the gender imbalance. Whenever he needs a hacker in his comics he almost always uses a woman (who usually bests the men). There’s a multi-part comic about a “guru hacker mom” who raises a “guru hacker daughter”, for instance. We all know that this is in stark contrast with reality. Anyone ever work in software development? Sausage fest. The few women… Read more »
Hilarious. And yet Marmaduke and Garfield get all the syndication – go figure.
http://xkcd.com/1027/
Sorry to say this, but the XKCD author is ultimately beneath contempt. The subtext here is that he thinks all nerds who weren’t lucky enough to be able to find a girl by “being themselves” should be mocked for trying to improve their lot.
Your arguments are well constructed and offer a good alternative to our currently accepted world view, and it has really changed the way I see things, but I have this question to both you, and anyone who has an answer as I have been struggling with it lately: Essentially the argument can be boiled down to this that girls have overinflated value, and guys placating to that is a mistake, and an alpha/player will not. But the problem I have, is isnt the very nature of seeking sex from a girl ultimately giving HER power, because whether you take it,… Read more »
@DB, yeah. Most of his stuff looks pretty rotten. After reading some others of his, perhaps the one posted in the OP could be looked at through a feminist lens. This lesser guy deserve to be shamed because he never really had the special little princess’ best interests in his heart, only his own selfish man desires. If he had been a better man and had given her what she really wanted she would have chosen to bless him with her spoiled poes.
Fuck, I can’t believe I just wrote that. Time to wash my eyes out with soap…
@HolySword: It is worthwhile to know what methods of seeking sex and companionship are actually effective, and what methods are not. You want to find a happy medium where you’re getting what you want in your interactions with girl(s)–this typically means giving them *less* power than you would by being a “nice guy”, but it usually does not mean letting them have none at all. (Your mileage may vary, but I can’t even stand to sleep with a girl who isn’t capable of challenging me, let alone have a relationship with one.) I have no problem with hermits, but pretty… Read more »
“Would not the most ‘badass’ guy be the one who does not need women in any form in his life?”
Even if that were “true”, who cares? Most guys who study game aren’t studying to be bad ass. They studying to get laid.
If I wasn’t in SE Asia, I’d just as soon use your concept of badass to clean my ass. Over here we use water.
I mean, really. Who cares?
The bum-gun. All hail!
In the last panel, girl could’ve replied: But you don’t respect yourself!
I can think of three white knight stories. In all three cases, the women had a child from a previous marriage or relationship. In one case the woman was seven years older, in another she was five years older, and in the third they are the same age. None of these couples have had additional children together. The last scenario has, in my opinion, the highest chance of happiness in the long run. It is truly a sweet story of the high school guy who watched the girl he liked go for the bad boy. He stayed in orbit enough… Read more »
ahahah. Clever.
But not as clever as the following comment isn’t.
“But he doesn’t respect you!” = “But I don’t respect myself!”
one girl posted a problem and half the comment here was to address her 😉
you guys are funny
Hey guys – I just wanted to thank everyone who had ideas for me. As Diego pointed out (kinda) I know this isn’t exactly the perfect place, but I really appreciate getting some honest male feedback. My BF already intends to see a counselor (he was working on that even before we met, so it’s not even just me being a battle axe :P), and I know better than to think that I can “fix him” – but what I wanted, and got, was advice for how I can help him and smooth the way for him. Sorry if that… Read more »
http://XKCD.COM/601/
Even quoted wargames.
This strip reminded me of this movie scene…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUqruPQtuLg …it’s funny how money will alter the dynamic.
The nutshell is, my boyfriend and I are both early twenties, and from a game/PUA perspective we’ve done everything wrong and bass-awkwards, but there’s chemistry, there’s commitment, etc. First of all, ignore all advice from women. (Commenter “S” is a woman.) Second, your boyfriend is classic beta. Read as much as you can about their assumptions and behavior. Third — and this is an area where the manosphere is deficient — a woman has to take charge of her man’s betatude. It is your job to inspire him to be the man you want him (and he wants himself) to… Read more »
S wrote:
Casino is Scorcese’s best film. Totally underrated because it resembled and came hard on the heels of his second best, Goodfellas.
XKCD is a dork. A clever, observant, and industrious dork, but a dork nonetheless. There is a hard ceiling to his understanding of women. High-functioning omega.
@King A (Matthew King),
I was watching it today and immediately thought back to the strip above..Robert De Niro as the man dedicated to the woman who’s not in love with him. Well..
GeishaKate wrote: It is truly a sweet story of the high school guy who watched the girl he liked go for the bad boy. He stayed in orbit enough to be there when it crumbled and now they are together and to all appearances, quite happy. A “sweet story”? No, a tragedy. A typical, unnecessary, repulsive beta tragedy. “Quite happy”? There are more important matters in life than happiness. One of them is dignity. No woman, no matter how hard he crushed on her, no matter how patient his orbiting had been, is worth the abdication of manhood required of… Read more »
XKCD is a dork.
HA! I love it when one who is erudite uses a term like “dork”. It hits the mark in such a tremendous way.
“It is a furtherance of the feminist myth of cake-eating and -having,” It is nothing of the kind. It is acknowledgement of the rarity of a person finding a second chance at happiness. Don’t worry, he is “sufficiently” alpha and mocks her ruthlessly to her great enjoyment. ” But an alpha female of sufficient virtue can demand exclusivity without turning him into a castrated beta.” I’ve never found demands to be particularly effective. The only way to know someone wants something for sure is if they offer it themselves of their own volition. ” When women ask us to reconcile… Read more »
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@Matt King: Thanks for your reply, but, honestly, I kinda feel like I am doing those things? I specifically stated I was blowing off fem-centric marriage advice blogs and coming to an “unlikely” place like this to get male feedback. The reason I cam here was to figure out everything that _I_ could do to help him feel more like a man, to be more confident and more sexual (which, I think once the ball gets rolling, should be a positive feedback loop – that’s why I focused on sex for now, figuring that would help to encourage and drive… Read more »
” But an alpha female of sufficient virtue can demand exclusivity without turning him into a castrated beta.” I’ve never found demands to be particularly effective. The only way to know someone wants something for sure is if they offer it themselves of their own volition. -Indeed, the majority (at least, of what I’ve seen) of the manosphere indicates dumping a demanding woman. However, I think there is a difference between literally stating a demand (which doesn’t work well with men at all, and will have mixed results with women) and “demanding” in the same sense that you “demand respect”… Read more »
Nice cartoon very informative and yet conscise
peoplegrowing wrote: I think there is a difference between literally stating a demand (which doesn’t work well with men at all, and will have mixed results with women) and “demanding” in the same sense that you “demand respect” by virtue of being above disrespect. An alpha female would not have to literally, verbally demand a man to be faithful. Exactly. When I say “demands,” I don’t mean the feminist-inspired shrewery that encourages women to give shrill voice to every desire. I mean being worthy enough to inspire the fidelity of a strong man, or better put, to wordlessly convince a… Read more »
Kate, sarcasm does not become a geisha.
It was not meant that way, Matt. I just don’t understand all this backlash against white knights. Sometimes a person just can’t appreciate another’s worth until some other event changes how they perceive them. This is usually not a change in the other person, although it can be; it is usually a change in the person doing the perceiving. For instance, time in knowing someone is a definite factor in how a person is viewed. Some people are more likeable as time goes by and others are less. Sometimes its an element of appearance that changes the perception: like when… Read more »
GK : I just don’t understand all this backlash against white knights. Haven’t entirely followed the dialogue up to this point but I wanted to address this specific statement in my own way . The way men view white knights is approximate to the way women view sluts. No matter how much a woman screws up or screws over the men in her life there will always be a white knight to take her in and hold her tight , always , at least until she hits the wall. Consciously or subconsciously women know this. White knights lower all mens… Read more »
Relevant,..
https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/enter-white-knight/
Simon: Thank you for your explanation. The way you described things in your opening paragraphs made sense to me.
Thanks, Matt, for the elaboration. That’s much more useful, and I will strive to put it into practice. ^-^
@ GeishaKate: “I’ll try to be more careful with my words if you will do the same.”
Good luck with that one, dear. “King A (Matthew King)’s” entire schtick is based on the gratuitious, needless insult, leavened with arrogance and sprinkled with a dash of obscure, meaningless quotes. Asking him to be more careful with his words is like asking a bear to stop shitting in the woods. Ain’t gonna happen.
King A’s opinions are very valuable to me, which is why it upsets me when we clash. It is too easy to become lax in manners with people one has become familiar and perhaps I tease too much.
@ GeishaKate: I hope you read King A’s opinions for substance, not style. Trash is still trash, no matter how brightly colored the packaging.
I just had a chat with a girl I’m gaming who’s constantly shit-testing. In one of our exchanges she was saying she wanted someone to “take care of me”. My response: “Spank your ass”. Women despise the thing they claim they most want. I never realized this until I was LBJF’d and rejected so many times. Game allows you to read the signs and understand better what needs to be done. I was a a big dance festival last weekend. Hottest girl there had been giving me IOI’s all weekend. I was dancing with all the hot women. Then at… Read more »
GeishaKate wrote: Sometimes a person just can’t appreciate another’s worth until some other event changes how they perceive them. This is usually not a change in the other person, although it can be; it is usually a change in the person doing the perceiving. Exactly the problem. Your femme-centric understanding of relationships presumes the female perception should be the controlling perception. It simply will not do for a woman to place her asset with the wrong caretaker and then suffer no consequence for her profligacy. The woman’s misperception creates and sustains the syndrome. She has to own up to it… Read more »
And, not incidentally, your little side-discussion about manners and style is an example of online white knightery, insouciantly and unconsciously fed by the distressed damsel. It is indicative by example of what we were discussing in the abstract. I am glad it appeared.
Matt
“Your femme-centric understanding of relationships presumes the female perception should be the controlling perception.” I presume nothing of the sort. I am simply explaining how things work. You think women aren’t suffering from the consequences? I assure you- they are. If I chose to, that’s what I could read/listen to all day. Suffering. Endless suffering. What would you need to hear a woman say to own up to what happened? What would be the words that would show you a woman knows the spots on her soul and is not a brazen hussy? I’d really like to know. Many women… Read more »
What would you need to hear a woman say to own up to what happened? What would be the words that would show you a woman knows the spots on her soul and is not a brazen hussy? I’d really like to know. Talk is cheap. There are no words! Read Stingray’s latest: “What I was expecting from him was a reaction to me based on something as if I had already accomplished it, not the reaction to my saying I would do it.” There lies the fundamental disconnect. Confession is not absolution is not reconciliation. Penance and firm purpose… Read more »
@ GeishaKate: you expect kindness and support from “King A (Matthew King),” a man who cannot post a single comment without demeaning or insulting someone?
Good luck with that, Kate. This bible-thumping, scripture-quoting maniac will tell you what a whore you are — and then spend twenty verbose paragraphs palming off his insult as some sort of favor to you.
As I said earlier: trash is still trash, no matter how ornate the package.
As I said earlier: trash is still trash, no matter how ornate the package. On the other hand, a pearl is still a pearl, even if you have to dig through muck to get to it. When I posted my original question, I knew very well that there would probably be at least a few comments that were nothing but abuse (I have actually been surprised on this account! Nothing so far!), as well as several which might be helpful, but couched in crass language or at least very hard to hear (Matthew’s comments would seem to fit), and maybe… Read more »
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I’ve had this type fantasy…AND now I’m ashamed!
Feels bad man.
We’re here to help.
I appreciate it. I’ve been reading quite a bit on your blog the last three days or so. It’s eye-opening to say the least. Thanks!
Interesting
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/cbhguest/My%20Documents/Downloads/2015-porn-stats-covenant-eyes.pdf
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-future-of-virtual-reality-depends-on-porn-2015-07-15