Perceptions

 

I attended a conference about a year ago where one of the presenters was this feminista chick talking about how to make your business appealing to women. Some of the stuff she was saying was really out there in that she painted most businesses as ‘inferior’ because they did not go out of their way to become female friendly. Despite the fact that her strong feminist slant was semi-obnoxious to the audience (primarily men), there were some nuggets of wisdom in there.

One of those was that for women, intuitive perceptions are by-and-large women’s primary basis for making judgments about everything, whereas men will use information to make judgments. If the public bathroom in your office is anything less than sanitary & comfortable, a woman will use that as a gauge for the success of your entire business over actual financial data. In that same regard, she’ll use testimonials (social proof) from other women over any proof-based demonstrations of success you have. Obviously these are generalizations, but they underscore the point that there are fundamental differences in the way the two sexes perceive the world around them.

Bear in mind that the ability for the everyman to create the illusion of success has only been around for the last 100 years or so. The advent of protracted consumer debt has created the ability for people to acquire material possessions which allow them to feign success and status. For a 21st century example, look no further than social networking – the ultimate way to craft a perception of status which may not be at all aligned with reality. Yet, facts are trumped by facades in female psychology, and it’s nothing to fault women for. It’s simply how they’re wired.

I think what we can learn from awareness of this reality is that part of our role as men, in the role of leader in relations with women, is to control the facade. Keeping her interest level peaked is a function of her consistently being able to see and bask in your success as a man. It costs money and it costs time to deliberately focus on one’s image, especially if you are content with a low-complexity lifestyle, which I think describes most men’s inclination were it not for the mating game (i.e. society’s expectations, driven by the feminine).

It’s a scary thought to consider how easy it is to sway the hearts and minds of most women simply with imagery over substance. It’s manipulation of the image which makes even flat broke women work themselves into a rabid frenzy over $200 purses. Successful politicians and marketers have become masters of working this psychology. If there was any wonder left as to why women are the primary consumers in western culture, look no further than the power that perception plays in women’s decision making processes.

The Strata of Perception

In past posts I’ve emphasized the idea that women may claim to want truthfulness, but they absolutely do not want full disclosure.

Right about now I’m sure there are readers thinking “This is some really stupid shit, what you’re saying is I have to manage my ‘facade’ indefinitely and never let the fantasy perception drop? I can’t possibly be expected to ‘play a role’ all the time! When can I Just Be Myself and be comfortable in knowing she’s into me for me?”

The short answer to this is yes, you must never let your guard down; her emotionally associative perceptual interpretations will ALWAYS be an influencing factor in assessing your hypergamous worth for her. However, the practical answer is maintaining that perception becomes increasingly easier to do as you build upon prior perceptions, and legitimately owning those perceptions as part of your personality.

Whether you’re Game-aware or not, every girl you engage with, whether a plate to spin or a monogamous potential mate, your role, your character, has all been crafted by the gestalt sum of the perceptions she’s built around you. Even from before the moment you approached her with romantic interest you’ve been progressively layered with her emotionally associative perceptions. Perhaps by friends, maybe social proof, or even pre-conditioned expectations (for better or worse) that she cast you into, your personality to her is the sum total of a strata of emotional perception. Later into an LTR (or even a fuck buddy situation) this perception becomes more solidified.

The difficulty most men have with using this perception dynamic to their benefit is based upon their failure to grasp how women cognitively differ from men. It seems patently disingenuous for a man to manipulate a woman’s perception of him to his advantage when he’s been socially convinced that women are rational agents needing factual information upon which to base their personal decisions, and are aware of their emotional impulsivity and therefor controlling of it. This is the equalist tripping stone, men’s acculturation has taught the average guy that women are cognitive equals to men.

The tragic part of this situation is that men are, passively or actively, always making attempts to influence that feminine emotional perception to better facilitate some kind of harmony between themselves and women. When a married guy tells me his wife has no respect for him the root of that condition lies in an inconsistency of perception on his part.

“Man, everything was so good in the beginning, but then I went Beta on her, got needy, got ONEitis and she left me for the stud at the custom motorcycles chop shop.” Again, perceptional inconguencies with priorly established perceptions, and then modified by external novel emotionally associative perceptions.

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Author of The Rational Male and The Rational Male, Preventive Medicine

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YOHAMI
11 years ago

“your role, your character, has all been crafted by the gestalt sum of the perceptions she’s built around you.”

+10

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

Then, all of these perceptions are emotional ones. This is how she feels about you. The mix and sum of all these layered micro perceptions and intuitions.

If she wants those kind of feelings (good or bad) she takes you in. If she doesnt want those feelings (good or bad), she pops you out. A big feeling can mask weaker ones, and some intense feelings get stuck in time and memory.

There’s no room for “facts”, reason, anything else here. This is emotional intelligence.

If you’re screening for LTR, emotional intelligence should be top on the list.

Kuraje
Kuraje
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

“If she wants those kind of feelings (good or bad) she takes you in. If she doesnt want those feelings (good or bad), she pops you out.”

In summation: Hypergamy doesn’t care.

“If you’re screening for LTR, emotional intelligence should be top on the list.”

Indeed.

Rollo Tomassi
11 years ago

I don’t feel like editing today so I’ll add my thoughts here;

When any guy tells me “In a relationship, you can’t act Alpha all the time” what he’s really frustrated with is that he wont be perceived as Alpha all the time by the woman he’s with. These guys are right, you can’t BE Alpha all the time, but by means of a solid, layered foundation of women’s prior emotional perception, your gestalt perception can be one of being Alpha all the time.

driveallnight
driveallnight
11 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

I’ve found Roissy’s “So You Want To Be A Bad Boy” post useful for maintaining LTR frame. If I notice the gf ramping up her shit-tests, I’ll just pull something from “Bad Boy” and throw an 0-2 slider in the dirt.

immoralgables
immoralgables
11 years ago
Reply to  driveallnight

Can you please post the link to Roissy’s article.

I tried googling for it and couldn’t find.

Thanks in advance.

driveallnight
driveallnight
11 years ago
Reply to  immoralgables

Hmmm, can’t seem to find it online myself either. Odd. Anyway, here’s a cut/paste. (Rollo, no worries if you find this a tl;dr and go for the delete.) So You Want To Be A Badboy July 14, 2008 by Heartiste Here is a partial list of behaviors that badboys do around their women. A badboy will occasionally tell his girl to “fuck off”, “shut up”, or “shut the fuck up”, sometimes even when she deserves it. When his girl tells an unfunny joke, a badboy will look right at her and not laugh at all, making her feel uncomfortable. His… Read more »

immoralgables
immoralgables
11 years ago
Reply to  driveallnight

Great thanks man. I remember reading this a while back.

Good stuff.

Funny how my roommate in college had the same mentality. Didn’t do the exact things listed but was a dick to his girl.

His relationship with her: 4 years and she moved across country and changed schools to be with him.

Back then I didn’t understand why why why….

driveallnight
driveallnight
11 years ago
Reply to  immoralgables

Yikes, thanks Y.

Scot Lasley
11 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

Rollo, These guys are right, you can’t BE Alpha all the time, but by means of a solid, layered foundation of women’s prior emotional perception, your gestalt perception can be one of being Alpha all the time. This is a great point, and one I hadn’t yet considered. Men have to work toward creating an overall sense of being “alpha,” confident, dominant, in control, but don’t have to constantly project only alpha traits in order to do so. And in fact, trying to do so can blow up in their faces. For example, winning someone over requires at least a… Read more »

GeishaKate
GeishaKate
11 years ago

“It’s a scary thought to consider how easy it is to sway the hearts and minds of most women simply with imagery over substance.” Daily does of Wilde: “In matters of grave importance, style, not sincerity, is the vital thing.” “In past posts I’ve emphasized the idea that women may claim to want truthfulness, but they absolutely do not want full disclosure.” Men should either be fine letting down their guard once in a while or be a damn good liar. I either want a truly good man or a man who will keep me living in a perfect illusion.… Read more »

Doc
Doc
11 years ago

“Man, everything was so good in the beginning, but then I went Beta on her, got needy, got ONEitis and she left me for the stud at the custom motorcycles chop shop.” The worst thing a man can let happen to him, care too much for a woman and let her know it. You always have to make her think that you will walk, even if you won’t, this is why no matter who I’m with, I always let her see me checking out other women, and flirting with them. When they call me on it, I say – “How… Read more »

driveallnight
driveallnight
11 years ago
Reply to  Doc

Nice, me likey.

AlphaWhiskey
AlphaWhiskey
11 years ago
Reply to  Doc

“How could I know what I have if I don’t check out what’s available?”

Hot damn, that is golden. Kudos to you sir.

The Shocker
The Shocker
11 years ago

On saturday I had a girl on her back talking rough and dirty when she Full on slapped me across the face. She told me after I remind her of her abusive ex boyfriend. Needless to say i didnt bust.. though I think it has more to do with her poisoning me with absynthe on the walk back from the club. I puked two minutes after she left…. Bitch

Random Angeleno
Random Angeleno
11 years ago

In some corners, this is referred to as the “mask” a man must wear whenever he is dealing with the world or with his woman. He can only drop that mask (bare his soul) safely with other men he trusts not to give him away. He should never drop it in front of his woman if he can help it. Of course “never” is impossible, but at least make it a rare occurrence. In other words, he won’t always act alpha in an LTR, but his unspoken context is that he was alpha enough to get her in the first… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Good Luck Chuck
11 years ago

Watching the fights a few weeks ago with my buddy and his gf. The gf turns to me and makes a comment about one of the fighters, who is wearing pink socks. She proceeds to tell me that she wants this guy to win. She goes on to tell me that she will root for the guy who her bf wants to win, but if it isn’t clear who her bf wants to see win she will choose the fighter who has the best style.

Gotta love chick logic.

modernguy
modernguy
11 years ago

“Again, perceptional inconguencies with priorly established perceptions, and then modified by external novel emotionally associative perceptions.”

In other words she liked the frontin’ you and you gave her the real you.

D-man
D-man
11 years ago

To maintain confidence, confide only in yourself. Being open and honest with women – for example, sharing truths I am not proud of – in the vain expectation that it would increase her respect for me and bring us closer… has backfired EVERY SINGLE TIME. I expect it’s cultural programming that made me think it would be a good idea. But I am the way I am now because I have learned from my direct experiences. They just don’t want to hear it. They don’t want that mask to change, even if it means understanding you better. There is an… Read more »

GeishaKate
GeishaKate
11 years ago
Reply to  D-man

Yeah, that is sad because some women do want to connect with the real human being and get dead tired of all the gaming. “Why can’t you just be real and say how you feel,” I remember saying once. And truly, how committed, how bonded are you when you don’t even know each other? You have the good feelings game has created, but…is that the recipe for disaster or happiness? I can no longer say.

Flahute
Flahute
11 years ago
Reply to  GeishaKate

Yeah, but ask yourself what you really wanted him to express, to be “real” about, what was it? His feelings for you perhaps? Certainly not his fears and doubts, eh?

GeishaKate
GeishaKate
11 years ago
Reply to  Flahute

Yes, I wanted him to be real about his feelings for me. His fears and doubts I could certainly handle in small doses without losing attraction. I’m very devoted. I saw my ex-husband through cancer, so I feel like there isn’t much I can’t handle. But I understand what you’re driving at. This particular man was witholding information, most likely about his true identity, so that is what I would have liked to have known. He kept pulling the string. I have skeletons I have to tell you about before this goes further. Not being able to be with you… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  GeishaKate

Did he have supernatural strength, was extremely pale, somber, and described himself as a blood sucking diamond glowing machina? no? sounds like a Roissy´s fan then.

GeishaKate
GeishaKate
11 years ago
Reply to  GeishaKate

lol- no. That’s kind of the issue that still torments me over it all. The deeper I’ve gotten into this world, the more I see the techniques, but I still can’t help question whether he was what he said he was. Having that happen really plays with your sanity. I can never be certain if he cared about me at all or if he lied in the beginning never expecting to fall for me and then couldn’t find a way out of his lies. Afterall, how do you tell someone that you lied about your very name and expect them… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  GeishaKate

Yet here you are, after who knows how much time, still thinking about him and talking about him. One happy hamster.

“if he had told me the truth, I would have loved him regardless.”

The not-telling obviously increased the feelings you had and still have.

GeishaKate
GeishaKate
11 years ago
Reply to  GeishaKate

Yep, its been a couple years since we met and over a year since he disappeared. The hamster is busy, but not happy. Make no mistake, this was devastating for me, and it held me back from being happy with anyone else for a long time.

GeishaKate
GeishaKate
11 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

Thanks for the links. I reread them. Well, for the most part I’ve come out of mourning. Its not even like the situations you wrote about as I could never find him again. An inaccurate birthday and name doesn’t get you far in locating a person. And, he stopped short of having sex with me. He said he wanted to wait till I was ready. I don’t know what about being naked with someone in bed suggests you aren’t ready, but whatever. I’d only been with my ex-husband. I could go on, but I won’t. DEPRESSING! I’ll never forget one… Read more »

gregg
gregg
11 years ago
Reply to  D-man

They do not want the “real you”. You are here to serve their purpose, to provide them with good genes and to take care of them and their babies. This is ALL your meaning for them. Do not mistake this relationship with the one with your mum. Relationship with your mum is unconditional – you are part of her imperative. You have instant value just for being you and she honestly care about your well being. You were part of her. Your wife is a woman too, but there si completely different paradigm. The realtionship is CONDITIONAL to ist core.… Read more »

Dreamer
Dreamer
11 years ago
Reply to  gregg

Is the line of thought is going a little too far? I mean, though I think Rollo hates taking using personal examples. But does this mean he married her as nothing more than a financial exchange like a business partner? I’m not taking issue with the conditional part of what you said. I’m just trying point that you seem to be implying any care and/or concern from a woman. In another way to view things, a lot of friendships between guys are still based on some kind of condition. Does that mean any concern between them are insincere? Or any… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  Dreamer

All love is conditional. The more sincere the conditions, the better the love gets.

Rollo Tomassi
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

beat me to it

MJ
MJ
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

Can you elaborate on “sincere conditions”?

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  MJ

Comes down to the layers of bullshit you run on yourself, and how much of what you want, and therefore make conditions about, is what you really want, or is something to compensate for some other thing that you lack or are trying to hide.

MJ
MJ
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

Stellar response

gregg
gregg
11 years ago
Reply to  Dreamer

again – think, think, think. Do not let yourself to be fucked up by generalizations – it is some of the best weapon of matrix. You may fell out of love with your wife – she grows fat, familiarity, etc., but majority of men still do CARE, still feel the responsibility to provide for her and children, in divorce they let her all house, car, etc…they still feel something to her. Protective instincts insert something unconditional to the love of men towards women. Once man become a looser in the eyes of woman – you lose job and do not… Read more »

Justanotherintelligentintrovert
Justanotherintelligentintrovert
11 years ago
Reply to  gregg

Here is a sort of natural experiment that has given me pause for thought. Physically and temperamentally speaking, I am the spitting image of my father. As a self-made man with a difficult start in life, he had learned to develop his alpha traits and suppress his beta tendencies. To make a long story short, he ended up marrying a young hottie twenty years younger than him (my mother). Then one day a set of circumstances brought everything crashing down around him professionally. My mother soon enough dropped him like a hot potato. In his confusion, this formely strong man… Read more »

dragnet
dragnet
11 years ago

“And by the way, my mother is honestly one of the most wonderful people I know – but yes, she obeyed her hard-wired biological imperative to ditch-the-beta-loser.”

This is one of the most eye-opening and healthy exercises you can engage in as a red-pill guy: observing your mom, sisters, aunts—the women you love most—for the behaviors we talk about here in manosphere. It’s important to see that hypergamy is the constant subroutine even for “good” girls.

Because there are no “good” girls or “bad” girls.

Just girls.

gregg
gregg
11 years ago
Reply to  dragnet

Juts girls. Yeah. It is up to us what we do with those informations. As a young man I fucked my share of women and I honestly respected them – they were source of good feelings for me so there was no reason to behave otherwise. Then I engaged in divorce indrustry for 10 years. My feeling dramaticaly changed and form changed feelings those rules emerged: 1. NO MARRIAGE until 60 years – after this age it does not matter, I am fucked up anyhow. 2. MY rules, discipline, my way, my life first and foremost. 3. Woman has a… Read more »

Ichi
Ichi
11 years ago

True love is only possible between two men. This is a very old Japanese saying.

DJDamage
DJDamage
11 years ago

“Typical North American relationship – Man loves woman, woman loves herself”

Pook

Survivorman
Survivorman
11 years ago

Infrequently, I am approached in social situations by women that (for whatever reason) I find unattractive and/or repulsive, and want to brush them off.. nicely.

I’ve found that by “being myself” – discussing my job, interests and hobbies – they rapidly lose interest and seek attention elsewhere.

‘Nuff said..

Good Luck Chuck
Good Luck Chuck
11 years ago

The only weakness you should EVER show to ANY woman outside of your family should be inconsequential and measured (vulnerability game). Anything else will result in a reduction in your situational SMV.

ALL women you interact with more than casually should see you as a sexually viable man. Social proof is the most powerful attractant known to man. If you have a gay girlfriend vibe with women you spend time with it nullifies the social proof. If you have a playful, flirty vibe with your female friends other women will fall into your orbit.

unbowed
unbowed
11 years ago

In an effort to keep myself from reverting to Beta, I often over compensate with cockiness. I’ve learned & applied enough game over the past year to increase my notch rate (very grateful to this site & CH), but dating beyond a week or 2 is a problem. How do you dial down the cockiness just enough to not seem like a complete douche bag? Currently, I’m in binary mode: arrogant asshole or weepy new age guy (which I never show). I’m sure I’ll become more nuanced with experience, but it’s currently frustrating. Integrating your self is a real challenge.… Read more »

immoralgables
immoralgables
11 years ago
Reply to  unbowed

Unbowed think of yourself as a pendulum. You were once a frustrated beta at the left side of the pendulum so you had enough and began reading CH & RM,etc and the pendulum started to swing towards the right. You keep reading, internalizing, practicing and start to get success that you hadn’t gotten before. You keep going and the pendulum has swung far to the right. You start to date a cute girl who has decent character and would probably make a good gf but wait, the pendulum is too far to the right. You lose said girl because you… Read more »

unbowed
unbowed
11 years ago
Reply to  immoralgables

Very true & thanks. It’s not often acknowledged in the game how important mistakes are to learning.

Hero
Hero
11 years ago
Reply to  unbowed

Absolutely, and that it takes some time to find your new “center” once you have pushed yourself out of your comfort zone.

Sam Spade
Sam Spade
11 years ago

“In order to be successful, one must project an image of success at all times.” – American Beauty

jynxi
jynxi
11 years ago

Rent. Possibly lease. But definitely do not buy.

Johnycomelately
Johnycomelately
11 years ago

A friend got married and six months later got a crushed pelvis and major internal organ damage from a work accident, while convalescing from his injuries his wife left him on his hospital bed.

So much for maintaining the facade, thank goodness he fully recovered albeit a man with a much more realistic world view.

gaius
gaius
11 years ago

@ unbowed… im thinkin i might be one or two steps ahead of you as a fellow newish red pill taker on the make. perhaps i could help by describing what ive gone thru. maybe we’re in the exact same place or were once. its taken me 3 years of hard approaching and study to get to a place of constancy and abundance and i bet it took me failed relationships/ons/attempted ons with 10 girls (i’m talkin 10 i had a good chance with and messed it up due to something i did) and approaches of 1000s more. maybe 3000… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  gaius

3 years 3000 aproaches… wow. How many notches?

gaius
gaius
11 years ago

in terms of another pendulum, i would say make your game just as much practice as theory. approaches in field did a lot to help me see what worked and what didn’t in real time, but just as important was theory from sites like rollo/roosh/roissy/rawness/rsd (the best have all r names, huh what?) etc which helped me identify overall boundaries and scope. but really, just read everything. not even from the big game guys. some of the best sites are ones like willy wonka, krauser, rivelino, when he was in action, vk, or even sillier, seemingly “inconsequential” sites. knowledge is… Read more »

gaius
gaius
11 years ago

@yohami 9

but i think if i did the same thing again it would yield higher results. those were basically my first tries ever.

AlphaWhiskey
AlphaWhiskey
11 years ago
Reply to  gaius

Holy smokes – 0.003 success rate. You must’ve been coming from a low place on the social totem pole man. Which means your efforts deserve even more respect. You sir, are indefatigable.

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  AlphaWhiskey

It’s terrible. He needs personal coaching, and probably more life game than pua game.

ImmoralGabless
ImmoralGabless
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

Quit hating on the dude so much Yohami much credit should be given for the effort he has put forth.

Gaius you will get there. Keep reading on Ch, RM, Yohami and so forth and in a year or so you will be in a much better position of power.

I.G.

dragnet
dragnet
11 years ago
Reply to  AlphaWhiskey

3000 approaches is one hell of an effort—most guys don’t have the balls for 30. But bangs is a very low ROI. There could be a few things going on here: 1) You aren’t learning from your mistakes quickly enough. If this is the case, it may be helpful to keep a journal or take notes every 10 approaches or something like that. 2) You are approaching girls too much higher than you in sexual market value. For example, if a guy is a 2, then even with tightest game he’ll only be regularly banging 4s. It may not seem… Read more »

Robert
Robert
11 years ago
Reply to  gaius

Victory through attrition. Quantity has a quality all its own.

Coy
Coy
11 years ago

Can someone dumb this down for me
“…perceptional inconguencies with priorly established perceptions, and then modified by external novel emotionally associative perceptions”.Its the last paragraph.

Rollo Tomassi
11 years ago
Reply to  Coy

Example: When a guy learns just enough Game to apply it successfully with a woman, she has her perceptions established by his demeanor, frame control, personality, etc., but also by her own expectations, her acculturation and what she’s been influenced by up to the point before she meets him. By the time they’ve engaged in an LTR (or even just a regular dating routine if it’s casual) she’s built a mental model of him based upon layers of her perceptions about him. If later (into a relationship presumedly) a man’s actions or expressed thoughts present perceptions that are contrary to… Read more »

Coy
Coy
11 years ago
Reply to  Rollo Tomassi

Aaah…so boyfriend becomes the beta-game-amplifier for the bad boy.Got it.

gaius
gaius
11 years ago

@dragnet @yohami @alphawiskey thanks for the advice. maybe it wasn’t 3000, maybe it was 2000. i didn’t count so i have no idea, but i know it was a lot and a few a day over a couple years seems to be roughly that ammount. i’m counting approaches that were of people i had no sexual interest in either. the point for me wasn’t to keep a rate going, just to bust thru a wall, which i did. and 9 was wrong. i thought harder for the rest of my day and it’s actually 13. i don’t think that is… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  gaius

Bro, there is a contempt point, that seems to elude Tyler and every other PUA instructor, even when this is at the very foundation of game: 1) Women are attracted to high value, confident, dominant, successful, abundance minded, social proofed, cocky, funny, resourceful, grown up, attractive, men. 2) The one with less value chases the one with higher value. The one with the more needy frame concedes to the one with the less needy frame. The one who needs the less controls the interaction. 3) 1+2 = women are naturally attracted to high value men who dont need them as… Read more »

gaius
gaius
11 years ago

dude i think your putting words in my mouth, and that we’re basically in agreement. idk why your so mad. i understand that the ideal state is to have women drawn to you effortlessly, which is what i’m starting to reach after all this work of approaching. the 2 plates i have now… i did nothing to get. both went out of their way to come to me, basically because of a reputation that has developed. those “approaches” (i hate pua lingo, and it sounds like you do too. ) netted me a lot more than jjust sex. what it… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  gaius

gaius, check it out http://yohami.com/blog/2012/05/25/do-you-want-to-be-successful-with-women-for-real/

Good for the skills and stuff you collected. That’s where the value is. The more you invest there the more girls will jump on your lap without direct effort or involvement on your part other than whatever comes as natural socialization for you. That’s the natural order of things. Abundance should be drawn to you.

Thanks for the “among the best” thing.

gaius
gaius
11 years ago

“Do you want to be successful with women, for real?” depends what success is. what is the endgame for alpha? i have two girls right now who love me, both think they’re the only one, and are still cool with the abstract idea of me f ucking around as long as its not shoved head=long into their faces. i’m not on that superballer level of not approaching ever, but who is? correct me if i’m wrong, but that idea sounds kind of anti-gamer-y to me. men are still expendable (and women are still perishable), so most of our values are… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  gaius

Yes, when you said 3000 approaches and 9 lays, it sounded like doing day and night game, opening with pickup lines, by the book, getting numbers, following leads, teasing and closing and calibrating… and having sex with 9 girls as the payoff for all that work.

But if you meant socialization… it’s a different story.

ImmoralGabless
ImmoralGabless
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

Yohami I think you are being harsh on the guy

He seems to have the right frame of mind and so do you.

I’ve been following the dialog between you two and I agree with both.

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  ImmoralGabless

What can I say, Im a jerk!

Nah. Its the 0.003 conversion rate. It scares the shit out of me.

gaius
gaius
11 years ago

its all good bro. ill check out your website and that link. for real tho no bullshit “among the best” i remember seeing a vid of you kiss close a girl in like 5 min. maybe it was yad, i forget. inspiring nonetheless. it made me desire to replicate those results. the best close i ever had was the direct result of watching that video and wanting to replicate. i wish i had vids of it. my best close ever: 5 min hello to penetration right there on the street. it was kind of lucky tho. i just knew she… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  gaius

Yah, that video wasnt me… You know you’re doing well when new girls flock around you and want to go places before you’re even sure you like them, because you’re busy getting other ones that you’re not sure if you like either. That’s also the moment where you should stop and reevaluate. I only did PUA for about three months. I realized I wasnt cut for it, I kept forgetting my lies, I didnt remember which girl I was dating, who I had banged, etc. It became “the number games with a thousand masks” and started messing up my stories.… Read more »

Good Luck Chuck
Good Luck Chuck
11 years ago
Reply to  YOHAMI

You seem to be hitting on something I have been saying for a long time. I’m all about learning “shortcuts”, but at the end of the day there is absolutely no substitute for bona fide Sexual Market Value. I’ve been the guy who struggles to get laid and I’ve been the guy who had girls fighting over him at parties. The time when I was EXPONENTIALLY more successful was when I had an entire lifestyle that attracted women in and of itself. I had a well known business with tv commercials that aired on popular networks, nice cars, a 4… Read more »

YOHAMI
11 years ago

“there is NO substitute. And it wasn’t the material things or the obvious status that got me noticed most of the time. It was the aura I projected. Most of the women I attracted during that time fell under the spell well before they knew about any of that.”

Amen.

ImmoralGabless
ImmoralGabless
11 years ago

@Gaius @Yahoami @GoodLuckChuck

I appreciate your input on this thread.

It was great to hear your diff pov. Yohami cool to hear your brief stint into PUA and what came of it. GLC your theory on being a pussy magnet was enlightening.

Gaius keep up the good work I feel lucky to have followed the comments.

This shit was incredible, like the pinnacle to all the work I’ve been putting in.

I.G.

YOHAMI
11 years ago
Reply to  ImmoralGabless

GLC’s got it right. But I´ve got it righter 😉

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