Your economic ignorance is still intact, but now you’re just adding heaping helpings of bitter butthurt. Quit while you’re not as far behind as you could be if you keep talking.

Women hunt men,or have men hunt men by proxy.

I know whom the REAL apex predator is,am sensible enough to not hide my instinctive fear.

Especially given that that Police State uses gynocentrism as it’s main rationale for violations of human rights and breeches of the US Constitution.

You ‘fearless’ men are really just ‘stupid’ men.
Enjoy being someone else’s lunch.

@sun
Is that monetarily efficient enough for you?
Geez,even the Keynesians are not that stupid.

As part of a pack aligned against other men, yes. As “men per se”, no.

Sports teams, militaries, corporations — all are competitive/collaborative male hierarchies, but the key is that they band together to defeat a different male banded hierarchy that is in competition. Men don’t band together as a *sex* or on behalf of the entire male sex — women do that (adaptive as the weaker sex, so strength in numbers and all that).

So the prospect of uniting men together under the banner of “men”, or some kind of “male interest” per se, is extremely weak. Rather, what you will see is men separating out into different groups (different competing male hierarchies) and squaring off with each other — this is the way of men (and that’s what Normandy was, too — two groups of male hierarchies fighting it out), and it’s why we see it in the manosphere as the men *here* split off into competing hierarchies and duke it out periodically.

Return of Kings actually has a lot of articles already on the “don’t bid up the price of pussy” idea. http://www.returnofkings.com/53875/do-your-part-to-stop-the-thirsty-guy-revolution

But another thing weighing in favor of the MGTOW types: men who game often express contempt for women in general and the women the sleep with. Problem: shit always rubs off on you. It’s very hard to spend time in the company of people who suck, without losing a bit of yourself to it. Honestly I’ve come up to the threshold of trying to play the field at other times of my life, and just turned back—because I didn’t want to become a vain, empty, manipulative skirt chaser. Pretty much every PUA I’ve read owns up to something like this—some sort of accumulated emotional damage. This is where a response might be something about how “the red pill is bitter.” Yeah, but do you have to have a shitty life just because? There’s no easy answer. But this is a factor.

I don’t know if I believe this.

“it’s, in fact, normal for men to trash each other in this way — it’s how we operate.”

Is this how men operated when the Allies stormed Normandy? Men band together when there is good reason. Loyalty is a male virtue.

I think there are differences of emphasis between these groups but they are slight.

As for the problems with MRAs: yes, egalitarian equalism is false, as a vision of relations between the sexes. But formal legal equality does not imply an equalist vision across all domains of society. I believe the emphasis should be on bringing back a genuine private sphere: in other words, on undoing “the personal is the political.” Formal legal equality is consistent with a complementary vision of relations between the sexes, because the law is only one domain of life. Still, I agree, I hate the framing of the issue as “men as another victim group.”

This is why I’ve always viewed the manosphere as a clearing house of ideas, rather than anything else. Guys come, troubled with the world and their place in it, read some things, sample some ideas and practices, and then find their way into one wing or other of the sphere, or leave the sphere altogether. This is the natural path. Yes, these guys all share a degree of discontent with the current setup, but that isn’t enough of a basis for unity among the various subspheres — they’re too different in orientation and approach. It would be good if there were more tolerance among them, but that’s wishful thinking as well — we’re all AMOGs, we all think we’re the ones who are right, in our subsphere, and so trashing the other subspheres from time to time (and it seems to happen at least once every 6-12 months in the manosphere) is to be expected. This isn’t the first, and it won’t be the last — it’s, in fact, normal for men to trash each other in this way — it’s how we operate.