In last week’s post I had an exchange with yet another attention seeking girl of 25. I wont be giving her any more than what she already thinks is her due writing for XOJane, however the topic of BDSM came up and I wanted to explore that a bit this week.
It’s no coincidence that the movie adaptation of 50 Shades of Grey is opening on Valentines Day this Saturday, so rather than my annual V-Day post I figured I’d also do a bit of early prognosticating about the knots the fem-stream media will be tying themselves into by this time next week.
Just as a recap, the exchange with this girl centered on her dissatisfaction with her boyfriend’s assertiveness and dominant status with her. At her insistence he Alpha’d up for her, but I was incredulous about her believing he’d done so, and with any amount of genuineness. For a man to Just Get It, he must get it on his own. Any woman inserting herself into the process of him just getting that he ought to be more dominant with her defeats the legitimacy of that change with her.
Observing a process will change that process. Just as genuine desire cannot be negotiated, neither can genuine change in a man’s mindset be negotiated at a woman’s insistence.
Hypergamy only believes the dominance of a man that a woman finds in him, never the one a woman needs to create in him.
During this exchange our goth girl mentioned she was into BDSM and the whole picture came into perspective:
Now I got it.
Sub in the dungeon, Dom in public. Most women into (overt) BDSM have issues with reconciling their desire for being dominated by a man and submitting to him in any other aspect of life.
I’m not surprised you felt the need to ask him to be more dominant. It’s not about his asserting himself with others it’s about your need for a genuinely dominant man giving you tingles. You want him to dominate you, but it doesn’t come naturally to him.
It sounds better to promote the image of him being a socially dominant character who’s come into it because you want that guy to be the character you fantasize he is in the dungeon.
You want a guy who’s genuinely dangerous, objectifying and powerful when you’re having sex, but you want the security and trust that comes from knowing he’s really safe, in control and socially dominant enough to ensure your security with his decisions.
That’s why BDSM is appealing to feminists. The dominance gets them off because it’s wrong, a taboo they shouldn’t really like because the feminist dogma says it’s disgusting to submit to a man (especially for an “empowered” woman), but the fantasy aspect of it legitimizes the desire and separates the “real” woman from the “sex act” woman.
I’m using the term “dungeon” metaphorically here, but I think it’s apt for any sex environment we put ourselves into with another person. One of the many aspects of masculine ridicule is the caricature of the strong, dominant business man paying for and playing the role of pathetic, tortured submissive to his vinyl-clad dominatrix with a whip, knee-boots and a bad attitude. The cliché serves the purpose of male ridicule of course, but it also reinforces the the latent message that those CEOs who rule the world, in their sexual selves, are really pathetic ass lickers who get off on humiliation from strong, independent women. Their sexual identities is who they really are.
Commenter 447 followed me up in that thread:
Things/actions that are called BDSM or can be put into that category (which can even be acts without any fetish objects, basically even normal, hard sex where the man just has his way with a female can be put there by twisting semantics) just *concentrate and thereby CORNER* all of femininity into ONE corner of the spectrum of life: Sex.
That explains a lot – from the massive number of Shades of Grey-Copies sold to the (sometimes almost comical) attempt of many young women to be “sexually perverted” even if they are not:
It is the only socially acceptable form known to them to be truly female today: By being a “whore”.
Only banged one feminist – can just add +1 to the description above – the more feminst bullshit they talk, the more they desire to be a sex slave or even an abused victim(!) in the bedroom. +1 to “explanations for rape hysteria” btw.
Roleplaying Games
As women find themselves coming into the open acceptance of Hypergamy and recognizing the social control they wield, the overstated perception they have with regard to their sexual market value will inflate with their collective egos. We address this often in the manosphere about how women’s self-perception of their SMV is grossly, unrealistically, inflated by social networks, media and popular culture. My assertion here is that BDSM – not just the overt kind, but the interplay of dominance and submission in any sexual intercourse – will become women’s fantasy outlet for a natural desire to be dominated by men.
In the case I illustrated with the CEO relegating himself to his mistress as a slave, so too will women’s sexual selves be a role they’ll play, and that role will be normalized for women through a feminine-primary social order. While men can be comfortably ridiculed for their desire to be dominated, women are sold the idea that their sexual selves are not their real selves, thus the need to be submissive can be forgiven of the strong independent woman® because her sexual self is not “who she really is.”
The Feminine Imperative defines for men that his ridiculous sexual identity is who he really is, but for women her sexual identity is a role she plays that insulates her from her real ’empowered’ identity. Through this roleplaying, women can reconcile and satisfy their real need of masculine dominance while maintaining the strong independent woman® identity that feminine-primary society expects of them.
In this sense women are put into a socially acceptable, socially expanded, form of topping from the bottom. The idea is that women can safely control and accommodate that want of sexual submission without losing self-respect by challenging the feminine social narrative of female state control. So long as that desire and the act are considered a fantasy that they can separate their true selves from, the sexual submission to a dominant man they desire can be balanced and reconciled if that act isn’t who they really are.
Furthermore there is a tantalizing sexual wrongness to engaging in submission only in a sexual theater. This is what fem-stream media will twist itself into knots about in the week following the opening of 50 Shades of Grey. In an era of Yes Means Yes consent forms and fantastical, falsified, rape hysteria, the go-to rationale for the runaway success that 50 Shades of Grey will undoubtedly be will be exactly this “its a fantasy so it’s ok, it’s not the real woman” separation of desire and ego preservation.
This is how the rape fantasy elements will be dealt with in the aftermath of so wildly popular a movie. It turns women on because it’s not supposed to turn them on. What fem-blogs will confront is the true nature of women’s Hypergamy being openly (likely proudly) embraced, but at the same time conflicting with the rape culture messaging that’s been pounded into our collective consciousness for the better part of 2014. Feminine duplicity will be on display and women will either say it’s their due, it’s “not for real” or that it’s Patriarchal sexual repressiveness that’s brought them to this (male shame).
Dalrock delivered this fantastic comment in one of my threads years ago, but I’m reminded of it now:
These women don’t just want to build a better beta, they want to tame the alpha. In fact, I think the former is just another way they are trying to approach the latter. They want to take an inherently unsafe activity and make it safe. They want to submit to a man without having to submit; they want a man who can tame their feral self. They want him to trip their danger signals. Even better if he is a stranger from a strange land.
They want this all to happen without giving up their freedom; they want to play this out in the context of serial monogamy, so they can feel loved while also claiming their promiscuity is moral. They want to lose control to a string of strangers who have all of the hallmarks of very dangerous men, and they want a promise that this will always end well.
They want to know that this will be safe, without it losing the excitement of it feeling unsafe. They are telling men to build a sort of serial monogamy amusement park where they can ride the roller coaster and experience the fear of falling or crashing, while knowing that just behind the scenes grown ups are actually in charge and are responsible for them safely feeling unsafe.
One more thing. As I mentioned above they don’t want to be hemmed in. So instead of building an actual amusement park, they want roller coasters to spring up randomly in the same exact circumstances where the real danger they mimic would appear. They want to be driving their car on the freeway one instant, and the next experience the fear of careening out of control the next. They want to impulsively jump off the edge of the Grand Canyon and have a parachute appear and deploy at the last minute. And all they ask is your guarantee that all of this will be safe.
The safeness women hope to effect for themselves can’t be entrusted to men. The dominant Alphas are inherently dangerous, and the more Beta men are too commonplace and less empowered than women themselves. The solution then is to rig the social structure to accommodate women’s thrill-seeking by socially expecting men to accept being topped from the bottom irrespective of “who a woman really is.”
The main reason ‘goth girl’ will never be content with a boyfriend she had to encourage to be more dominant is because his passivity was his mental point of origin for him. He’s already safe, before he’s allowed to play the role of dominance by her.
A Note About V-Day
If you haven’t read my previous V-Day post you may want to before Saturday. Considering it falls on a weekend and the impending “we’re just as sexual as men” lather women will likely work themselves into over 50 Shades, it might be a good refresher. I understand that some of my manosphere contemporaries are getting onboard with the billing that 50 Shades’ release will make for orgy-like conditions on V-Day, and while I’ll concur for the most part I think there are far more significant considerations men need to be aware of.
For the married or LTR man who’s wife insists on taking him to see the movie, or one who insists on a GNO with her semi-monogamous girlfriends there will be no post-movie orgy. One of the most common rationales I hear from men when their woman wants to go off with her friends to a male strip ‘revue’ is “hey, let her go have a good time, she’ll just bring that sexual impulse home to me, right?” These men are only rationalizing their part in their own cuckoldry.
The real question is how into sex do you think your wife would be after your coming home from hitting the strip club with your boys, downing three $12 appletinis and smelling like stripper perfume? Or better yet, perhaps you suggest you both hit a strip club together after you watch 50 Shades? You’re only taking that sexual energy home for each other after having outside sexual cues turn you on. Christian Grey will be the man fucking your wife while you sit on and watch.
For single men the situation is a pussy bonanza if you can play the ‘lonely hearts club’ Game correctly. On any other V-Day I’d suggest men capitalize on GNOs and women commiserating about how inadequate men are these days while they tie one on. The likelihood that an order of 50 million women will have seen 50 Shades just prior to hitting the bars with their girls on this night only makes your efforts that much easier with better sexual dividends.
While not overtly playing the Christian Grey role, if you cop the dominant energy (or if that’s what you’re about already) you can help a girl work off that energy. It would be too easy to say these women will be primed for Game, but remember, feminine-primary acculturation has taught her to justify the action of her sexual self apart from her real self. Saturday night may be the one time getting a girl to sign a sexual consent form will work in a man’s favor.
All that said, the opportunity for observing open Hypergamy in the field will be hard to ignore. Enjoy the mental-hamster contortions women will use to justify behaving exactly like the cads they claim to hate, and their sad sack Beta men sitting dutifully at home changing diapers while the girls are being girls. My advice would be to use that open Hypergamy environment to your advantage, but demonstrate it, don’t explicate it to them.
Be aware. You will see a great many Red Pill truths come to light in a short time frame. It may be a shinning opportunity to make your Blue Pill friend Red Pill aware.
February 11th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
“What this implies is that a white man would rather MURDER INNOCENTS than to confront a white female and control her hypergamy.”
A drive to kill Neanderthals was also necessary.
Note that we extincted them.
February 11th, 2015 at 7:47 pm
Seems Jacklabear could try what he did again just not move her in. Might be a good start.
February 11th, 2015 at 7:48 pm
It is because life in the West has become an r environment that our instincts are failing us.
February 11th, 2015 at 7:50 pm
@Randy
First you say you say we can’t blame race, then you spend your whole screed blaming white men. Then you point out white men as the only ones being treated like shit by their women, completely ignoring blacks in America (the way their women view their men is with even more contempt; do you even know any blacks?), and the entire fucking nation of Japan (herbivores ring a bell?).
Seriously did you even think for 30 seconds before you posted that self-contradictory bullshit?
February 11th, 2015 at 7:53 pm
And what race are those who are killing innocents in droves in Africa?
February 11th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
meanwhile in other news, not to go too far on a tangent. Tiger Woods is going to take an indefinite break from PGA tour. Hasn’t made the cut in past two tournaments.
Just trips me out that somebody that good, who was winning so much, can’t seem to do anything right now just because his girl slapped him upside his head.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:02 pm
Hypergamy doesn’t care what your skin pigmentation is.
In a feminine-primary social order of maximally restricted male sexuality and maximally unrestricted female Hypergamy that maximally provides for the long term security side of that Hypergamy, women are going to go (and fuck) where the Alphas are.
Japan is the testbed for the end game of feminism. Alpha is contextual for the environment.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:08 pm
I told my son that I fault Tiger Woods not for wanting to fuck lots of women, but that he fucked up by getting married.
I told him that for the $500 million it cost him, he could have had a new high end Consort (young, beautiful, educated) every week for 961 years.
How alpha was this black man’s behavior with women?
The status symbol of the yellow haired Nordic girl cost him dearly.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:17 pm
@Rollo
Ok, I’m happy to be “Chokmah”. I like it, actually. It’s a pretty cool handle.
This is why I post under multiple handles: http://saintsal.com/facebook/
It has nothing to do with you. There are far larger forces in this world than Rollo Tomassi.
And besides, I thought this was about ideas, NOT personalities.
I didn’t see any of my comments deleted. My comments did NOT go into moderation. I have no way of knowing whether or not you have a banned list of commenters. What I did notice is that you used your admin privileges to change my handle. I really don’t care about that, but it is the height of dishonesty, and it brings your entire message under question. Not even that I disagree with your message—I don’t. But your honesty or dishonesty bolsters or taints your word. That’s just a universal principle.
Again, I consciously sockpuppet for reasons far larger than you. I ALWAYS make it clear who is speaking—to humans, NOT to algorithms. I do that with extreme intent. Retroactively changing the handles of your commenters brings your own integrity into question. I understand why you feel compelled to do that, but please don’t—what you have written over the years is too important to put that into jeopardy.
I post here anonymously, from computers (yeah, right). I hope that you can respect that.
And, for what it’s worth, this time have you looked inward to discover what exactly caused you to go into your WordPress account and manually change the handle of one of your commenters? I’m confident that I wasn’t attacking you (just never felt it in my cells). So the question remains, why did what I posted on your site drive you to take human action against a commenter’s handle? To be clear, I care not about the handle. What interests me is what is inside of you that would cause you to PHYSICALLY go into WordPress and monkey with your commentership.
Look, I’m not your enemy. This is triage here, and it’s ugly. There are very few who can stomach it, but the fact that you can and do, day in and day out, speaks volumes about your character.
Please direct your lead down range.
Steve/Stevie/Steven/”Chokmah”
February 11th, 2015 at 8:31 pm
Is anyone else here aware that Christian Grey in Fifty Shades of Grey was introduced to BSDM by a dominatrix when he was an adolescent. The dominatrix is a significant character who attempts to intervene and stop his relationship with the central female character. The book is the first in a trilogy. Grey is developed into a “really a nice guy” as described by some of my female associates. I haven’t read the book but from what I’ve heard from those who have, it is a total bizzar insane fuck up on all levels and it is being slurped up like candy by American women.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:37 pm
@Randy the Random
You’ve apparently never experienced Black America then.
http://www.returnofkings.com/2090/how-black-america-has-predicted-our-future
February 11th, 2015 at 8:42 pm
“Chokmah”
I suggest “Cock Mouth”. It would be far more appropriate.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
a friend of mine who is an ugly beta (hard working) from Lebanon , wanted to get married but not to a north american “slut” so he asked his Mama to get him an arranged marriage .Mama sent him a good head covered muslem girl . she gave him a boy and a girl .
he starts noticing she wasnt interested in having sex with him and spending all her time online so he hired a computer guy to install some spying ware into the computer and there you go……she was having an affair with a muscular good looking guy . he comes home and beat the crap out of her and spend a month in jail without being able to come back to his own house.
4 months later he was finally able to come back to his house when the police asked him to do so and what they found was ; two kids left on their own and the mother abandoned them and left the country to be with her lover and she got married and have a kid with him.
hypergamy doesnt care about kids either
February 11th, 2015 at 8:46 pm
Speaking of Japan, if I were a social sciences PhD looking for funding, I would deliberately learn Japanese and study who is getting the most out there. I’m guessing you might as well put up a sign on the Japanese SMP that says, “Anyone other than Alpha crime lords, bankers, and politicians need not participate.”
February 11th, 2015 at 8:47 pm
@Stevevita
Again, I consciously sockpuppet for reasons far larger than you.
Stiiiiiiill sounding like a girl, cupcake. Try again.
February 11th, 2015 at 8:48 pm
Stevie-Steve-Stephen-
How’s that “harmony” thing working out for you Cockmouth?
February 11th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
Tiger wasn’t alpha. Rich and famous dork that thought he was alpha due to a demographic fit. Like the emperor has no clothes. Tiger had no alpha.
Ever see that public apology that he got pressured into doing and how his voice sounded when he looked at the camera and took that pause and deep breath cause he thought he had to do that when you do that kind of thing?
That wasn’t a black man looking for a blonde status symbol. that’s a thing black women always throw out there while trying to do there minimize/maximize strategy.
February 11th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
“That wasn’t a black man looking for a blonde status symbol.”
How do you account for all the black men with fat bleach blonds?
February 11th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
There is a Steve H who leads a Mankind Project Meetup in central Oregon.
MKP is also allied with http://womeninpowerprogram.com/
Some quotes from that site:
“Initiating Ourselves to the Predator Within
To reclaim our power from the shadows of past vows we once promised”
Lets see, encouraging predatory women who want to free themselves from their vows – sign me up! Actually, I’m all for gaming these women – the more the merrier.
A pic at the Meetup page says it all. There are two men dressed as clowns together with two unattractive women.
Men’s Groups- Central Oregon
Bend, OR
30 Brothers
Check out this Meetup Group →
February 11th, 2015 at 9:39 pm
Lol. I thought your initial, controversial (?) comment was quite pretty, Stevie. I read it with appreciation, as one might read a poem. And I don’t disagree that the sentiment sounds very pleasant. It’s just….getting to that place proves problematic. Yes, that is a place a man can get to, in small bursts, and can only keep if he doesn’t succumb to the mindset often.
If he’s a small-town billionaire ;)
Other men are wise to avoid the mindset altogether. A hair too much of that and the whole house of straw gets blown down.
Your rhetoric is so heavenly-minded it’s of no earthly good, as the saying goes.
I don’t despair of finding joy, but I have always found it, in the past, when pursuing something totally different. Like water, the more you try to hold it the more it falls from your hands. Finding joy with women is kind of like that – you can only pursue what control you may over your relationships, and mine the utility they actually hold, and perhaps find joy as an occasional side-effect. Then you experience it, let it go, and don’t try desperately to recapture it. We are men, we pursue goals. Not feelings.
February 11th, 2015 at 9:44 pm
The link to the pic didn’t show up.
February 11th, 2015 at 9:47 pm
On a totally different note, I’d like to write a Harlequin about a Small-town Billionaire Mysterious Stranger Dinosaur Cowboy. Make bank, wouldn’t even be hard. Copy/Paste and Search and Replace would do 90% of the work for me.
At the end, our eponymous lust object would discover that it was the love the heroine could provide for him that his cold reptilian heart was missing all along – the reason he had been filling the void within with accomplishments and affairs that brought him no solace. Then she cheats on him with a cabbie who tells her to fuck off when she asks him what his tattoos mean.
February 11th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
I dunno, I think you’ll do better having the Small-town Billionaire Mysterious Stranger Dinosaur Cowboy (STBMSDC) marry a Single Empowered Mother (SEM) of a terminal cancer diagnosed child while raising puppies from rescued-and-nearly-euthanized stray pets in between BDSM sessions to help STBMSDC get over his childhood trauma.
February 11th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Chokemah-
“Treat them well (from a manosphere standpoint), and they will treat you well. Very well.”
Seriously, even equipped with all the king’s horses and all the king’s men,
I could not construct a remark that was more totally bullshit than this one.
February 11th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
Baby steps, Jeremy. I’m fine at writing but still a novice at taming the feral hamster. I don’t want to teach it too many new tricks at once.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:00 pm
Besides, don’t you know that if a girl has childhood trauma she projects it upon the alpha and dreams of curing it with her pussy? The pussy cures all, it’s magic and powerful and beautiful.
As an amusing aside, this kind of happened to me IRL. Ironically, the process did help me see how some thing in my past may have affected me more than I might have guessed. Not nearly as badly as she suspected perhaps, but it was still helpful. I also enjoyed the, ah, ‘healing’ process.
Lol girls can be fun if you look at it all the right way.
February 11th, 2015 at 11:03 pm
“How do you account for all the black men with fat bleach blonds?”
I account for some of them the same way I do for any other men with fat women. And some of the common ways are he’s fat too, or at least not many women would find physically attractive. Or he’s blue collar. Or she used to be okay but progressively gains weight as many women do. Or they get together because she didn’t try to make everything difficult.
Black men being drawn to or only getting low quality white women is something that black women like to throw out there also. And white men as well. Right after saying they’ve never been bothered by black men being with white women, many of them will have to cap it with some version of “I just don’t know why they like them so trashy”. They have to get that dig in there.
And another thing about that is, with the way black men are viewed by everybody, including black women, who is it that if this white woman was a status symbol, is going to say “good job getting a white girl”?
It’s not other black men because any way-to-go is going to be about getting somebody fine, or being a cool chic, like any other woman. So who’s the one being impressed by the status symbol?
February 11th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
I also want to say while the public viewed Tiger as a black man, and other golfers did too. He really didn’t view himself that way. He just never said anything about it. Unless he was asked about it a few times in an interview.
But as long as he had people rooting for him because of the lack of anybody else besides middle aged white men in golf, he was willing to roll with it.
Funny things is once all the stuff with Ellen came out, more people started saying he was mixed. With the needle leaning more towards asian for some people.(black women and probably a few comedians)
February 12th, 2015 at 12:03 am
I guess you don’t live around here.
February 12th, 2015 at 12:21 am
One more thing, white men’s envy of Muslim mating arrangements is only eclipsed by their denial of its existence.
So many times I have heard men confess their taboo realizations that maybe,just maybe, these barefoot, uneducated, unsophisticated goat herders have a better quality of life than any white man trapped in a McMansion ever will. They have freedom to rule their home with an iron fist, their women are their property, and no strange man imposes his will upon their chosen style of life.
There was a time when the west functioned in this manner, but it was centuries ago. A man may have served a nation, but he was the ruler of his own home. No longer.
Men are now serfs in public, serfs in private, and serfs to all womankind.
It was not Muslims, Arabs, Africans or Hispanics that made this so. It was yours truly, the WHITE MAN.
Two options remain:
1) CONSTRAIN FEMALES FULLY. Whether through Old Testament Christianity or scientific empiricism, women must be subjugated. No votes, no ability to testify legally. Treated as minors under the law. Adultery punishable by imprisonment. Cuckoldry punishable by imprisonment. Premarital sex bars females from the institution of marriage. Women have legal guardians at all times, father first then husband.
Does any of the above sound familiar? It rhymes with Arya. Ohh it hurts doesn’t it, to admit someone else has it figured out. Someone who is “backwards” in your fantasy of nationalist pride.
2) RACIAL COLLAPSE AND DECLINE. Endorse feminism, female empowerment and male slavery. Legal immunity for females, men are beasts of burden and de-facto slaves to the feminist state. Their existence is a function of their utility to the state in the form of slaves and taxpayers. They are born and work to maintain the state of luxury that western females have come to demand. This continues until the inevitable collapse of the society and invasion by more fit societies either internally or externally.
Ironically, this decision has already been made. Your women rule now. Females run corporations, the government, the Supreme Court, and everything in between. You fools have given the keys to the kingdom to your hoes. TO THE VERY BEINGS YOU ARE DESIGNED TO DOMINATE AND SUBJUGATE.
I am truly amazed I live in an era that has allowed this to happen. Not in a million years would an alien biologist foresee such an absurd situation developing in a sexually dimorphic species. But here we are.
But hang on…whose that I hear. Oh yes, it must be DA JOOOOS, DA ILLUMINATI, DA KNEEGROES, DA SPEEECS, DA MOOOSLIMS, DA…..(ad infitum)
My ode to the white race:
“Strong you held the enemy off at the gates. Yet, from within did the true enemy strike. Always looking without, never within. A hero in name, a coward in deed. Though the fields were ripe, rotten was the seed.”
February 12th, 2015 at 12:26 am
Tiger Woods. He has a toxic mind after he was discovered to lack integrity and throw sperm to the groupies.
Golf is a refined, relaxed, mind/physical slice of art that needs peace,
and a clear fore-brain. (i.e. non-thinking, let the sub-conscience do it’s thing). In golf, you also have to leave the past behind and think about the next shot. How the hell is Tiger able to leave the last shot behind him?
Those of us that are color blind would call into question the content of his character. The color of his skin is irrelevant. His race is totally irrelevant to his legacy. He was a strong male that dominated his sport for awhile.
He was over-reaching. Come on. Tens of bitches on the side. Doesn’t compute. Rich checkbook and status but couldn’t tingle his wife after two kids. Epic fail.
He faked being an alpha man.
Golf won’t tolerate a toxic brain and being in the moment without hind-brain baggage.
Arnold Palmer, Greg Norman, Sam Snead, Gary Player, Seve Ballasteros (excuse others not mentioned) were alpha golfers. Their fore-brains had ultimate control. They were refined. They were at peace with their hind-brains (while the horn dog Tiger was not). Jack Nicklaus was a very at peace Blue Pill guy and he could golf great with the peace within.
If you want to delve into the simplistic life of golfing with a peaceful mind. Bob Rotella was the Rollo Tomassi of golf behavioral psychology. His book,
Golf is not a Game of Perfect is a classic. The last golf shot is not what is important. It is the next shot, that you relax, and execute perfectly that is important.
February 12th, 2015 at 12:49 am
@Jeremy
I’m guessing you might as well put up a sign on the Japanese SMP that says, “Anyone other than Alpha crime lords, bankers, and politicians need not participate.”
Word has it that if you’re foreign and in a bar, high chance the “hunters” will hit on you and buy you drinks. Haven’t had a chance to confirm, though I think I might if I get the chance.
February 12th, 2015 at 1:59 am
Chokemah-
“Treat them well (from a manosphere standpoint), and they will treat you well. Very well.”
What a fantasy. Do you really expect us to think you are some kind of master white knight curator of all pussy in the universe and you are being or have been “treated very well” in exchange for “treating them well”. You are only fooling yourself.
The truth is exactly the opposite of your false claim. No “good deed” goes unpunished and the welfare recipients aren’t reciprocating, nor will they ever. It is survival of the fittest as programmed by nature and ther is nothing anyone can do to change it.
February 12th, 2015 at 2:09 am
Chokmah,
What does it mean to “treat women well (from a manosphere standpoint)”
And what does it mean for them to “treat us well, very well”
February 12th, 2015 at 2:18 am
@Randy
I get it now. You’re just a raving psychotic racist piece of shit decrying other raving psychotic racists pieces of shit.
Kill yourself.
February 12th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Tiger’s race played a part in his celebrityism and fascination. His game is gone because he’s been zapped back to overly self conscious nerd who’s worried about looking bad. Make the story the same but change golf to anything else, you’d see the same struggles.
February 12th, 2015 at 11:06 am
“Is anyone else here aware that Christian Grey in Fifty Shades of Grey was introduced to BSDM by a dominatrix when he was an adolescent”
yes, I mentioned it in the comment where I said he was a submissive from 15-21
key to making the books work was to have the idea he could be tamed, domesticated, and manipulated by a woman’s love
February 12th, 2015 at 11:19 am
The thing that most annoys me about this 50 Shades thing is the idea that this is news or that people (men or women) are just now being introduced to these ideas. 99% of men and 94% of women fantasize about light bondage (with the woman the submissive, of course). 99% of men and 89% of women actually enjoy such light bondage (arms tied behind the back, fuzzy pink handcuffs, perhaps wrists tied above head to bed frame — no pain, just “normal” sex and teasing with this light bondage). Of course, no woman wants to be kidnapped at gunpoint by some gross homeless guy who jumps out of a dark ally, but with her approved love, they of course have these fantasies and want to submit. It’s biological.
I’ve been tying up my girlfriends since I was 18–the first time I got to get a girl naked. They all love it. In fact, as I think back, the women I’ve been with who I did NOT tie up (because they were super hot and I was afraid of being seen as a weirdo) were the first to dump me for being beta. The ones who I have tied up always cry tears of joy after sex and gush their undying love for me right after. Even if they claim to have not enjoyed it, when talking 3 days later, “watch what they do, not what they say.” LOL.
So anyway this movie is simply annoying because kind of like any Hollywood movie that shows some sex scenes–meh. If I want to watch some good porn, I’ll watch some good porn.
To the extent there really are ignorant people to whom the idea of light bondage (no sado part) is new, then I’m pissed that others will be in on my secret and/or might go too far (the pain/sado part) and scare girls and just generally fuck things up in society even more.
February 12th, 2015 at 11:23 am
Tiger Woods absolutely got fucked up because of marrying that girl. Marriage has ruined many men. Even Abe Lincoln was half-insane because of his insane BPD wife.
February 12th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/02/06/the-surprising-thing-fandango-is-claiming-about-pre-sales-of-fifty-shades-of-grey-in-conservative-and-religious-states/
Overhyped or gloss over?
February 12th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
February 12th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
You have an eye for prophecy Rollo. My facebook feed has blown with feminist infighting revolving around 50 Shades of Grey. Here’s a small take home gem someone spouted off:
“In true BDSM culture, the SUB is the one with all the power. Every scene, everything done is to ensure their safety, happiness and sanity. If the Sub ever says no or uses their safe word, it is the Dom’s job to fix what caused the problem to the Sub’s approval. “
February 12th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
February 12th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
@anon
Tiger has no game… And by that I mean female-interaction game… obviously the man can play golf.
He’s just another in a long line of celebrity men who relies on his wealth and fame to get women, and has never had to learn how to deal with actual female nature.
February 12th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
I love to see the divorce rate of women who works for CEOS in the coming months.
I wonder how a CEO feels showing up to work on Monday .
February 12th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
Jeremy
February 12th, 2015 at 2:26 pm
“@anon
Tiger has no game… And by that I mean female-interaction game… obviously the man can play golf.
He’s just another in a long line of celebrity men who relies on his wealth and fame to get women, and has never had to learn how to deal with actual female nature.”
That’s why I said that he could have had a quality Consort who would stay with him full time for a week at a time for $10000/week.
Oddly, I can’t seem to find the agencies on the web like I saw a few years ago.
February 12th, 2015 at 3:53 pm
@chokeme. “What I did notice is that you used your admin privileges to change my handle. I really don’t care about that, but it is the height of dishonesty, and it brings your entire message under question. Not even that I disagree with your message—I don’t. But your honesty or dishonesty bolsters or taints your word. That’s just a universal principle.”
So you post under multiple handles to hide from some secret nefarious internet stalkers and then accuse Rollo of dishonesty. Priceless. You’re defintely a broad.
February 12th, 2015 at 4:29 pm
GQ review:
http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-feed/2015/02/vagina-reviews-50-shades-of-grey.html
“This isn’t a movie for your mind. It is a movie for your vagina. Maybe your Mom’s vagina too. Remember that R. Kelly song that goes “My mind’s tellin’ me ‘NO’ but my body’s sayin’ ‘YES'”? That is the 50 Shades of Greymoviegoing experience to a tee. Or to a vee, rather. So I deferred to the expert and checked in with my vagina after the movie. And, hooboy, she fucking loved it.”
February 12th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Stop civilization, I’d like to get out now.
February 12th, 2015 at 5:35 pm
You could live and work in Antarctica
February 12th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Off topic here, a little. Apologies. Just wanted to make an appearance and say a few words. I’m female. I had an interaction with a high status “Alpha” male. He had all the things in place to be a “natural”–beautiful, built, brilliant, tortured, and also knew game. A very deadly, dread-infused one, and he worked me hard with it. He used it very skillfully and it all worked seamlessly, just as all accounts say, and it was fascinating to watch myself succumb, although incredibly painful to go through. He was married, and most of it took place over a two-year period online, with me being both opposed to him and yet drawn on by him like a program. I discovered game because I started to nose around, had never been confronted with anyone that had ever behaved as he did. It caused me so much conflict and pain, yet culminated with two meetings, one of which resulted in sex–the first one. I blew each interaction, giving him an inferior version of myself, because I couldn’t deal with my feelings being so led around that way, knowing I was being manipulated and yet having it still work. It was so compelling and yet so upsetting to me, truly painful in every way. Here’s the thing: this is why it worked on me, I discovered. I had enough of a poor moral structure. I made bad decisions each step of the way. And it made me nuts–beyond–this game he played with me–super dread and hard. I hated it, and yet it worked. The lesson for me: selfish and ignorant was I. Lesson learned. I think game is all an elaborate illusion that everyone has capitalized on for c-nt, and it relies on the ignorance of females. A dark and painful trade. I learned my lesson very well, and I’m happy to have been dispensed this lesson about myself, and to come away from the delusion of it understanding my blind spot, my ignorance, my weak morality. To have the power and yet not to wield–that is a motto to consider, ethically. I don’t feel like an “Alpha Widow”, but a good student. I won’t pine for him. I’m liberated from him by seeing my culpability, though it was unknown to me at the time, naive and selfish as I was
February 12th, 2015 at 11:17 pm
@Wingfield What exactly is the point of that long paragraph you wrote? What is your point? You got seduced and you regret it? Is there a problem here and you regret it? Game is a bad, bad thing?
February 12th, 2015 at 11:32 pm
Winfield – “I think game is all an elaborate illusion that everyone has capitalized on for c-nt, and it relies on the ignorance of females.”
Translation: game works and it upsets the delicate balance of power achieved by the FI.
February 12th, 2015 at 11:47 pm
Wingfield wrote:
“A very deadly, dread-infused one, and he worked me hard with it.
…
And it made me nuts–beyond–this game he played with me–super dread and hard.”
What do you mean by ‘dread’ Wingfield?
February 13th, 2015 at 12:13 am
@ sjfrellc I regret it for the pain it caused me. It took all of my energy, and I’m strong. I can’t imagine someone with less emotional resources dealing with it. It was so painful, and so prolonged. I was just ignorant. I couldn’t see that I was blind? Just because you CAN do something and you WANT to, doesn’t mean you SHOULD. Luckily I escaped the illusion. The trap was this: my own weak morality. Life is hard. We have to birth ourselves over and over into awareness. I had to learn the hard way. I’m grateful to have learned something crucial about my character, but it didn’t come easy. Game preys on the ignorance of females
February 13th, 2015 at 12:30 am
@jacklabear I’ll give you no answer to your question. Nothing further
February 13th, 2015 at 12:32 am
Game preys on the ignorance of females!!
It’s time to go on the Oprah Winfrey show.
Without game males become the easier prey and get eaten and digested and flushed down in a subway toilet and your hypergamy can find another married alpha to birth new learning about the new you.
February 13th, 2015 at 12:41 am
@ Wingfield
“It took all of my energy, and I’m strong. I can’t imagine someone with less emotional resources dealing with it. It was so painful, and so prolonged.”
That’s really terrible Wingfield. Tell me, how did he do that? What did he tell you that held you in his clutches for two long torturous years? How is it possible for this monster to completely ruin a strong, moral, self aware and enlightened woman who knows about self-birthing?
I hope you can tell us so that other females have a chance to escape your fate. You have a moral duty to detail for them just how this kind of overpowering manipulation is played out.
The floor is yours.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:01 am
I repeat: I was ignorant. I had weak moral character. I made bad decisions. Again. I think I’ve been clear. It was painful. Game relied on me to be this way. If I had been stronger and smarter, it wouldn’t have worked. See *rejection* and then look upon your own rationalizing.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:07 am
Rationalizing? I didn’t realize that I was rationalizing.
I really would like to be as self aware as you. As a woman, there are things you can teach me about being emotionally aware of my own self.
Could you please help me to understand this rationalizing so that I can avoid it in the future?
February 13th, 2015 at 1:14 am
@jaclabear No. I’m rejecting you. :) Goodnight
February 13th, 2015 at 1:22 am
Wingfield, now you’re just being mean. I have feelings too.
How can you so cruelly reject me after what you have been through?
Are you going to be trying to get revenge on men for the rest of your life?
There are other women who can teach you not to end up like a helpless mouse devoured by the wolf,
See: http://womeninpowerprogram.com/
February 13th, 2015 at 1:34 am
Bombs away, gentlemen ;)
February 13th, 2015 at 1:40 am
You’re hoping for a mass white-knighting here?
February 13th, 2015 at 1:44 am
I think I know what Wingfield is whining about running in to…
http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/15/alpha-agents-of-righteous-karma/
Problem is that I have trouble giving a fuck. You thought you had found something good you could drag away from a marriage and keep, but polygyny ain’t hypergamy. You got pretty much what I would figure you would get from a natural alpha: none of the commitment you seek. His strategy worked, yours didn’t.
I don’t feel like an “Alpha Widow”
You are. You came here and wrote babbling paragraph about him because he’s still on your mind. He always will be. You’ll always compare every man after this to him. Each beta will be so reliable, so loving, so caring, so much of everything he wasn’t… except you’ll miss the tingles he could give you and dump them. That’s what it’s like being an Alpha Widow, and I’m willing to bet a month’s salary that’s exactly what you are now.
I won’t pine for him.
Yeah, you will. You wouldn’t be here reliving it by retelling it if you weren’t. Oh you may not sit on the couch and eat bonbons, but you’ll pine in your own little way. You “explored your sexuality”, and I doubt you’re done. If you’d try to steal a married alpha, you’re most definitely the type to keep riding the CC until you realize one day that every alpha you’ve met doesn’t see you as hot enough to be a keeper. You’re cute enough to be a side piece, but you’ll never be the main bitch long term. You’ll always want an alpha now that you’ve had one. No beta will ever do.
That’s what “pining” truly is: never being satisfied again.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:55 am
Here is my take on Wingfield.
Off topic here, a little. Apologies. Just wanted to make an appearance and say a few words. I’m female. I had an interaction ((an affair))with a high status “Alpha” male. He had all the things in place to be a “natural”–beautiful, built, brilliant, ((I’m still in love with hin))tortured, and also knew game. A very deadly, dread-infused one, and he worked me hard with it. He used it very skillfully and it all worked seamlessly,((he knew how to get my tingles)) just as all accounts say, and it was fascinating to watch myself succumb, although incredibly painful to go through.((couldn’t resist fucking him)) He was married, ((and I didn’t give a shit))and most of it took place over a two-year period online, with me being both opposed to him ((when he’s beta))and yet drawn on by him like a program.((when he alphas up)) I discovered game because I started to nose around,((because I wanted him to leave his wife)) had never been confronted with anyone that had ever behaved as he did. It caused me so much conflict and pain, ((he wouldn’t leave his wife but I still fucked him))yet culminated with two meetings, one of which resulted in sex–the first one. I blew each interaction, giving him an inferior version of myself, ((being a bitch))because I couldn’t deal with my feelings being so led around that way, knowing I was being manipulated ((I fucked him and it was his fault))and yet having it still work. It was so compelling and yet so upsetting to me, truly painful in every way. Here’s the thing: this is why it worked on me, I discovered. I had enough of a poor moral structure((I am a horny slut)). I made bad decisions each step of the way. And it made me nuts–or slut beyond–this game he played with me–super dread and hard. I hated it,((I LOVED it)) and yet it worked. The lesson for me: selfish and ignorant((horny and I enjoyed it)) was I. Lesson learned. ((and still many more))I think game is all an elaborate illusion that everyone has capitalized on for c-nt, ((or d-cks))and it relies on the ignorance ((the full knowledge) )of females. A dark and painful trade.((sexy)) I learned my lesson very well, and I’m happy to have been dispensed this lesson about myself, and to come away from the delusion of it understanding my blind spot, my ignorance, my weak morality. ((fucking a married alpha))To have the power and yet not to wield–that is a motto to consider, ((for now))ethically. I don’t feel like an “Alpha Widow”, ((I do feel like an alpha widow))but a good student. ((now I know what is it like to fucked an alpha))I won’t pine for him. ((I can’t forget him))I’m liberated((not really)) from him by seeing my culpability,((being a slut)) though it was unknown ((known))to me at the time, naive and selfish ((in denial) )as I was
February 13th, 2015 at 2:09 am
Winfield has encountered a man who played by the second set of books, as should we all.
But it’s important to note that the amorality of the second set of books has moral consequences. In this case Wingfield pursued, at least passively, a married man. She played her role and is discomfited to discover that the role of “other woman” wasn’t a desirable identity for her at least retrospectively.
Note how her introspection stops at recognizing her own moral weakness which is then cast a being victimized by the “illusion” of game. Actually the “illusion” she was blinded by was the in the first set of books which the Alpha didn’t play by as she had expected him to, as she had been told he would.
The ignorance she speaks of is her misguided expectation that by playing the role of “other woman” should could convert that to something else. Her ignorance was in believing that the so called rules only applied to him being constrained as if the competition was with the wife and not with his seeking to obtain the best position for himself. A man playing by the old set of books serves the feminine goals not his own. Oh well win some lose some.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:28 am
With all due respect for the RP insights offered by you men, my take on Wingfield is that the story was an absurd piece of horseshit that HerHimIt was using to play the sympathy/pity/shaming card in order to manipulate some men into not using game and to portray those who do as scum men who just take advantage of retarded weak naive women.
My first questions were calling himherit out on apparent bullshit of the story, and sure enough, herhimit didn’t answer them and tried to shut me down.
My last post to herhimit, and actually all of them were indirectly showing the nonsense and contradiction of what herhimit was saying.
Herhimit’s last post was a desparate attempt to try to get the men to give me shit for expressing ‘feelings’. Herhimit tried that last desparate ploy because herhimit realized that the jig was up.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:43 am
@ Jacklabear
I admit to being easily duped. But I think this story may be real. It has all the hallmarks of a genuine men-evil-because-Me-stupid tale even with the moral depravity, and faux introspection.
The rest of your analysis seems spot on. But the story also seems typical bordering on cliche, as does her exchange with you. Predictable and expected, a good example for future reference. Kudos to you for bringing those elements out.
I am both puzzled, amused by Wingfield telling us that game works, and that we shoudn’t use it. I guess Stevie was right, women are fucking awesome.
February 13th, 2015 at 3:22 am
I thought to myself how can a married man possibly use ‘hard dread’ for two years over the internet when they only met twice and fucked once. Maybe the latter happened because she is low SMV and that is why she would cling to a thread for two years.
But then maybe Wingfield was not using the term in the RP definition. She meant that she felt anxiety.
February 13th, 2015 at 8:24 am
Wingfield tried to top from the bottom it did not work.
WAAF (hint third letter is Awesome).
February 13th, 2015 at 8:43 am
he was “beautiful, built, brilliant, tortured, and also knew game” and in two years only fucked an “inferior version” of her once. The RSD boys have to give free lectures on this 1 Shades game, at least until countries stop them.
WOMEN ARE FUCKING AWESOME
however when AWESOME only fucks them once, they still don’t want to go back to fucking less than awesome
February 13th, 2015 at 8:48 am
@ Chokemah/Stevie – Delusions of grandeur much? It’s hysterical watching you preen about your self-anointed importance here, as though you are “somebody”. Here’s wake up call, fucknutz. If you were on fire, I wouldn’t piss on you to put it out. Share your ideas here and men here will deal with them as we see fit. If you don’t like being outed as a sockpuppet account using bitch, don’t use sockpuppet accounts. Go fuck yourself. And in case you don’t see it, your ideas are dogshit compared the the brilliance Rollo shares here. You aren’t even in the same intellectual universe as the community here. Dealing with you is like trying to explain particle physics to a 9 year old.
But you are free to continue to demonstrate your intellectual weakness. It’s reaffirming to those of us who long ago transcended such juvenile idiocy. It also helps me feel righteous about hating BluePill man-children. You don’t want to deal with the truth and reality of the world we live in, got it. Gosh, isn’t that unique?
February 13th, 2015 at 10:09 am
As for the entire subject here, there has been so much said that I agree with, I have only one unique view to offer.
How does this inform how I behave? I’ve pointed out the juxtaposition of 50 Shades of Grey and the rape hysteria being peddled by radical feminists to women, and have gotten nowhere. What most men don’t want to realize is that we’ve already lost the battle. Women are running the board now, consolidating their gains socially and men are on defense. You can alpha up all you want – you are going to be shamed for it. And women will only really “let” you be dominant any way, right?
And I’m not up for being some revanchist Christian who believes that some mythology written up in an ancient book can restore the ‘anciens regime’. A pickle can’t become a cucumber again. And I don’t believe in fairies in the sky, and you know what? Even more honestly? Being the stoic, hard bitten provider/head of household wasn’t even so great anyway. I did it and it’s filled with ingratitude and delayed gratification and toiling away. Careful ladies, watch what happens when men like me spit the bits out of their mouths. After a taste of running free, the notion of being your vassal once again seems inconceivable. I like living just for me and what I want. There is no going back.
So, I’ve adapted. Being a gentleman? Lol. Being faithful? Even dumber. Dealing with women as rational actors? Ludicrous. Live with one? Insane. Marry one – an existential death sentence. Fyi, these are things I strove to be and do as a younger man. Now my answer? Spin plates, fuck as many of them as you can. Keep them guessing and wanting you. The second you feel that craving for a woman, that oneitis creeping in – move on. And the second one starts causing more trouble than she’s worth, kick her to the curb. That’s all that makes sense now.
I hear the shaming of male sexuality going on nonstop and it just amuses me, cuz those same women are eyefucking me a moment later. I deal with women like children now for the most part. I don’t listen to what they say, I watch just what they do. I save being rational and honest and vulnerable and having integrity for my male relationships, where such things are valued and respected.
@ Random Racist – You are right about one thing. Men let women behave this way. We even let women use force against us, and they are monopolizing the use of state force against us. The only solution is to use greater force back, but you see the “white” culture you so despise is actually a western European culture that sought to elevate the condition of humanity beyond the tribalism and barbarism that characterizes all other human societies. So we made human sovereignty noble – and attempted to provide it to all humans. Sadly, these men never realized women had not evolved to the point where they can actually be responsible for themselves.
Nietzsche predicted all this precisely. I never was a fan of Nietzsche, he was so dark and nasty. But he was exactly correct in what would happen when women began to masculinize themselves in western society. Chaos. Idiocy and a cheapening of our very civic discourse. Just think about the quality of the ideas emanating from women today whether it’s radfems or a speech say that socialist cunt Elizabeth Warren is giving, and compare it to say the writings of our founders in the Federalist Papers. Just look at the level of discourse about the world and our part in it – and compare that to the ideas of these shrieking, hysterical morons.
It’s sickening. All they deserve is my cum.
February 13th, 2015 at 10:29 am
@ Wingfield – Lol. Working some chick for two years online to get laid once? That’s not game, that’s idiocy. You are funny though. Why can’t you see that he’s exactly what you actually want? A man who will make you want him, a man that doesn’t cater to you or any woman. Admit it, you think it’s hot that that he was married because it made him seem higher value to you. And that if he was willing to “risk it all” with you, that must mean he feels something really special for you.
Get it. You were shown who you really are. Embrace it and get on with your life. You can talk here all you want. Until you get honest with yourself, like say KatetheDime here does, you are lost. Here’s a hint, don’t make the next hot guy work so hard and just get as much dicking from him as you can. You aren’t getting any younger and once you hit the wall, you’ll never have any more chances. Me? At 52, I still get a chance to hit a 27 year old hottie every once in a while. Your day in the sun is over by 35 at the latest and no matter what the stupid media tells you, an alpha male will never want to fuck you again after that.
After getting as much dick as you can until the hot guys stop offering it, you can settle for a schlub who’s willing to “earn it” with you who you can torture and denigrate for the rest of your life. Sounds like the female version of the America dream to me – what are you complaining about?
And people wonder why I treat women like children…
February 13th, 2015 at 10:30 am
Glenn,
Enjoy what freedom you have left because it’s just a matter of time til like in Sweden, this last male space is banned as hate speech, the iron fist of the state forces us to piss sitting down and de facto marrying these women who can no longer get men on their own merits.
Maybe evangelizing RP has limited value, but anti-feminism deserves our energies.
February 13th, 2015 at 10:33 am
The Wingfield story might also have been intended as a goof on the idea that Game is magical mystical omnipotent to reduce *every* woman to a quivering puppet every time.
No heresy intended.
February 13th, 2015 at 11:03 am
Fifty Shades of Shit…
The director is a 47 year old female married to a much younger actor.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Taylor-Johnson
Notice the “I dare you to fuck with me I’m super bitch” look on her face? Her first name is a male first name. She is one hell of a rough looking scarecrow.
This movie is NOT about male dominance and women’s yearning for it. This movie is undoubtedly the most castrating crap Hollywood has ever devised to stifle real human masculinity as never before.
February 13th, 2015 at 11:28 am
@Not Born
It was originally a fanfic of Twilight. The fanfic community is a largely female community so notorious for female wish fulfillment to a ridiculous level that even women have trouble taking it seriously some times.
Really nothing about it surprises me at all.
And as for that director, I wouldn’t fuck her with Stevelise’s dick. What a torn up looking old hag.
February 13th, 2015 at 11:50 am
She has big tits but her upper arms are fucked up.
A woman’s arms are a good reflection of the rest of her.
February 13th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
“The Wingfield story might also have been intended as a goof on the idea that Game is magical mystical omnipotent to reduce *every* woman to a quivering puppet every time.
No heresy intended.”
Perhaps.
As I love double Irony, I cannot but notice that this goof just shows the truth more clearly.
Because IF it is a goof, it so closly resembles social reality, that it one can not see any difference.
As there are (relativly, from the individual perspective) nearly unending masses of women out there (even when applying some standarts; city enviroment) – game would be just as awesome if it worked just on 50% or 25% or even just 10% of the total female population in the >HB5 range.
February 13th, 2015 at 12:49 pm
@ jacklebear – Perhaps I haven’t been clear. I’m ready for revolution, AR-15 and all. If I thought there was one that had a chance of taking down this rotten govt and the scumbags who run it, I’d be out in the streets with them.
I realize the hate speech stuff is coming, but ask yourself this. Why shouldn’t this happen to us? Why shouldn’t I live in a society in decline? All great societies fall apart and usually destroy themselves. These meta dynamics are much bigger than any one of us and the endgame is inevitable now.
I’ve mentioned it before, but really, now the die is cast. We are over 18 trillion in federal debt. State and local is 4 trillion, and state and local pensions are another 4 trillion in the red. When you add all federal liabilities and discount them to NPV, well, we are over 65 trillion in the red. There is no coming back from this. The western dominated economic system will no longer exist in 20 years. Sadly, China is in even worse shape with about 27 trillion in debt. The last few years have been all about central banks reinflating massive bubbles and creating a new bubble in sovereign debt. Euro devaluation is only one signal of many that the reset is coming.
It’s not like we’ll be wiped off the earth. It’s just that govt will be wiped out at every level because we won’t be able to afford 1/10th the cost of what we spend now afterwards. Our productive capacity is still quite good in this country and we are a culture of risk taking and entrepreneurship. We’ll be much leaner but we can and will generate wealth and still be a massive economic power.
But the 31 million (mostly women) who work in govt/teaching/healthcare/ngo/nonprofit fields, uhh, their lives are going to change. A lot. I look at all these middle aged female teachers running around with their 50+ days off per year, looking down their noses at a grubby corporate sales/marketing type, so glib and smug in their security. I really can’t wait for them to retire and find out that their pension check just won’t come one day. Fyi, a huge court victory just happened in Cali – pensions can too take a haircut when govts go bankrupt as is happening across the country.
Sadly, I believe that our society will respond by putting more authoritarians in power. However, the practical limits will make the current govt orgy of power and spending simply impossible. And men will have much more power in such a leaner setting. Women who are actually hard working and skilled in producing something of value will have their chances, but the rest who are just passengers? Lol, it will be fun to watch.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
@Wingfield
This is not stated correctly.
Game preys on the ignorance-of-self that exists in females in incalculably huge amounts because modern women have abandoned their duty to optimize their own hypergamy.
Until you understand yourself, you’re a child. Since most women spend darn near zero time trying to actually understanding their own motivations and the sources of them… they abdicate the responsibility to solve their own needs. They expect men to solve their dualistic sexual strategy needs by being both a perfect natural alpha, and a wealthy beta provider (two things that cannot exist in pure form in the same person, unless he’s full-on schizophrenic/bipolar). When you contract out work that you should be doing, you will lose both knowledge of the machinery *and* power over the outcome.
Just like I would tell any beta male incel that his pain comes from ignorance he chose to cling to… I will tell you and any woman with your same story that any complaints about game or natural alpha male nature is akin to praying to the wailing wall. Game only works because you failed to understand yourself, and you can’t blame anyone for that but yourself.
February 13th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Jeremy, +1
Glenn, I take that optimistically. Your scenario may well play out before we end up like Sweden.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
@Rollo
“Hypergamy doesn’t care what your skin pigmentation is.
In a feminine-primary social order of maximally restricted male sexuality and maximally unrestricted female Hypergamy that maximally provides for the long term security side of that Hypergamy, women are going to go (and fuck) where the Alphas are.”
I agree, hypergamy doesn’t care about skin color, the biggest key here is factoring in the cultural and religious constraints on hypergamy. I know for a fact in the east Indian community, marriage is still very well sacred and having a divorce causes shame not only to the females family but to their close community. Once the female gets married and joins the male, she then becomes his, leaving for any reason would result in being outcaste from the family. Obviously this is most strong in India and I am sure more females in North America are adopting a westernized approach in FI thinking.
With these religious and cultural contraints somewhat intact combined with my RP knowledge, Im ahead of the pack.
February 13th, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Hypergamy doesn’t care about culture.
How One Woman Is Standing Up for India’s Abused Husbands
Women in India are reverse-engineering a law meant to protect them in order to wrongly attack their husbands and in-laws—putting their partners in the slammer. One woman is standing up for the men.
http://www.vocativ.com/world/india/one-woman-standing-indias-abused-husbands/
February 13th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
@Glenn
I’ve mentioned it before, but really, now the die is cast. We are over 18 trillion in federal debt.
Let’s not forget to mention the off-the-books estimate of 300-400 trillion in CDO/CDS sitting out there waiting to go off like a time bomb again. The first world economy is functionally bankrupt and nothing has been done to fix it.
February 13th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
@Steven and sockpuppets:
“Again, I consciously sockpuppet for reasons far larger than you.”
LMFAO. Now I know this is a woman. Let me guess a bored housewife with way to much time on her hands who has defeated (or divorced) her husband and is living in sexless marriage. That explains everything.
@Winfield: You were NOT “weak.” You were a woman. This is not a bug in the programming- it IS the program. Game doesn’t exploit a weird bug or defect and it is not just ‘weak women’ who succumb. Weak, strong, smart, dumb, game aware or never heard of the Red Pill doesn’t matter. Hypergamy doesn’t care.
February 13th, 2015 at 4:12 pm
Angelina Jolie: It Took Me Time to Find a Real Man
http://www.people.com/article/angelina-jolie-real-man-brad-pitt?xid=rss-fullcontent
This article has it all, the female determination on what defines a ‘real man’, the AFBB dynamic and the epiphany phase. Some choice parts:
“At 20, we’re all looking for Prince Charming, the big handsome hunk, only we’re generally disappointed because of his instability,” the actress tells France’s Dandy magazine. “At 40, you know what you want: a real man.”
February 13th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
I know its not related to the articles main theme but I couldn’t resist.
February 13th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
” “Being in the spotlight’s shine doesn’t interest me”
Seeing as what her arms look like, I would call this hamstering.
February 13th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
And so it begins…
https://dalrock.wordpress.com/2015/02/13/sounds-like-bunch-of-12-year-olds/
February 13th, 2015 at 8:59 pm
The Jezebel article was TL;DR for me. I still got to go through the 22nd edit of my father’s eulogy for his funeral tomorrow. One of the girls at my wife’s employment was nice enough to take her shift on V-Day.
What did the hamsters say about the audience?
I wouldn’t go throwing haymakers at the producer. She seems to be quite the hypergamous snowflake in a good sort of way. Her story is way to long.
I’d caution comments about the boobs and the weight–not fun to poke a stick at a two time cancer survivor. (Heads up: In one article she was saying it wasn’t fun having a C boob and having to feed the newborn on the E boob). Comenting on the appearance of the director is certainly just simply more animus for the SJW’s. I’m definitely not white knighting. I’m just not that bitter at women. They are awesome f***ing.
February 17th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
“World War II started because a young German boy was denied the carnal knowledge of a young German girl. “
Bollocks he had some kind of brain injury either from his everlovin’ papa, or the trenches.
Christ my old English master had one (ex-WW2 fighter pilot, steel plate in skull, also glycol lungs, smoked like a lord’s bastard regardless, in class! We had to climb up and haul the buggered 100-y-o sash windows open for him.)
He (Mr. B-B) was a lovely fellow. Except .. when he wasn’t.
(Psycho, had to get the rugby coach and a couple of other sturdy masters in, to grip him till he ran out of puff (see “lungs”, supra.).
Obvious WN troll is augenscheinlich.
February 17th, 2015 at 4:59 pm
Choke mah
“Again, I consciously sockpuppet for reasons far larger than you. I ALWAYS make it clear who is speaking—to humans, NOT to algorithms. I do that with extreme intent.”
Fu-uuuu—uck. OK now I got it.
Remember kids, just say No.
February 18th, 2015 at 8:27 am
Just an FYI. I was over at HUS (your favorite girl, Rollo – Susan) and I left a comment with regards to a post on the release of 50 Shades of Grey.
My comment, more or less, questioned (or stated) that the media (as well as feminists) should call out this movie (and women) for wanting to see it. It’s similar to all of the years of shaming that the media (and women) have done to men for finding women sexy, porn, etc…(pretty much anything masculine). Remember, it’s all about ‘equality’, people.
I found out a day later that my comments were removed and I was blocked (no surprise). This is part of the problem with our society. Grown adults do not want to discuss (or debate) anything that doesn’t agree with their article (or narrative). They’d rather live in an echo chamber and shout down (or block) any type of questions, discussions, debates, etc..
I wasn’t rude or crude…it was simply a question (and it was deleted).
February 18th, 2015 at 9:05 am
@Driver, not surprised. Giggles thinks she wants some of Athol Kay’s “counseling” client money these days and can’t afford anything even questioning her c&p advice.