One of the results of becoming Red Pill aware is a meta “awareness” of the feminine centric social order we live in today. On this side of the Red Pill it’s almost routine for me now to filter what’s presented to me in popular media, social doctrine or even casual conversation through a Red Pill lens.
Whether it’s the latest pop hit lyrics of a song my daughter is listening to in the bathroom, the latest movie or book, or just listening to someone rattle off an old Blue Pill trope in casual conversation, my sensitivity to how thoroughly immersed in fem-cetrism our society has become is overwhelming.
I’ve had guys in the manosphere joke with me that having this ‘lens’ is like having the special glasses that let you see the alien/zombies and propaganda in the movie They Live. While I get a laugh out of this I also have to think that those glasses never really come off. So when the holiday season comes around this awareness manifests itself more for me since I’m reacquainting myself with family and friends who are immersed in this Matrix and don’t realize they’re mouthing the meme’s and social focus of a feminine centric order.
I think it’s kind of ironic that during the holidays we’re expected to lock horns with our relatives over the latest generational/political/ideological differences, yet these all take place in a common, feminized social narrative. Your uncle may not agree with you politically, but he’ll slap you on the back while you both drink a beer and say, “Women ‘eh? I guess we’ll never figure ’em out” and expect you to have some common agreement with him in spite of those differences.
I bring this up today (and for this weekend’s discussion questions) because it was due to this seasonal Red Pill awareness that I was better prepared to appreciate the holiday classic, It’s a Wonderful Life from a Red Pill perspective.
I’d just returned from a work trip last week and my daughter informed me that the movie was being shown in our local metroplex theater on Christmas eve. I’d seen it before on TV with all the intermittent commercials, and remembered how tedious I thought it was (it’s a pretty long movie for 1946), but she insisted and I wanted to do something with the family. I’ve never watched the movie start to finish, and when I did pick up scenes on TV during Christmas time, it was long before I had any Red Pill inclination.
Needless to say I was shocked (pleasantly) by how thoroughly Red Pill I found it. If you want to see what a pre-sexual revolution gender dynamic is like, this is your movie. Yes, it’s idyllic, but that idealism is founded in a social order, an ‘old books‘ social order, that reveals what our new feminine-primary social order is today. It shows you what we’ve become, but unfortunately the greater whole of our contemporary society lack the special glasses to really appreciate this distinction.
Some notable scenes:
- George Bailey, the cab driver Ernie and the cop Bert ogle the sexy Violet Bick after she flirts with George and just flows down a busy street to be checked out all the more by every man on the street. In modern terms these men are all guilty of sexual harassment, but in 1928 (the film’s beginning) and viewed from a 1946 perspective of that time, there is nothing harassing about it. It’s de rigueur, and she enjoys the attention.
- The family interaction between George, his brother Harry, and their father with Ma Bailey just prior to Harry’s graduation party. There is matronly deference to their mother, but both of the boys are being boys and there is no expectation for them to settle down. Both the brothers are naturally, effortlessly, cocky & funny with the maid and their mother. This isn’t a forced attitude, it comes off as both positively masculine and fun at the same time. Also, their father is the respected head of the household, both by virtue of his social status and integrity as well as his position as ‘father’. Needless to say, he’s never ridiculed as the buffoon he’d be portrayed as on a post-sexual revolution social order, and in fact dispenses a wisdom that benefits George later in life.After the graduation party George and Mary walk home in the odd dry clothes they were able to find after having fallen into the school pool. Mary is in a bathrobe and George in a football outfit. This flirtation and interaction is perhaps one of the best examples I can think of as an old order form of Game. George is cocky, funny, confident, ambitious, playfully teasing and yet still conscious of Mary’s perception of him as he effortlessly delivers a positive, masculine vibe.Again, it’s idyllic, and men being the true romantics will want to believe such receptivity could actually take place without any confusion of signals with an idealized, Quality Woman woman like Mary, but it’s the atmosphere and the attitude of expecting Mary to respond to George’s delivery that belies the era this scene and story was written in. Nothing seems forced at all, and we don’t expect Mary to match George’s masculine Game with one of her own feminine-empowered forms of Game. From a Red Pill perspective, we want a gal like Mary to exist, but you wont find her in 2014.
These were just a few scenes I thought stood out, but this film is an essay in the old order social structure a lot of well meaning Red Pill advocates would like to believe is still a possibility.
In the last thread commenter Xsplat asked the question whether an Alpha man could also be a provider. His criticism of the manosphere is that Alpha men are being painted as caricatures of cads, assholes and bad boy players women want to bang as part of their Hypergamous mating protocol. Betas are the opposite of this; good for provisioning only – cuckolds to be used for parental investment with only a perfunctory servicing of mediocre ‘duty’ sex as an intermittent reward to keep him pulling the cart.
If there are caricatures of Alpha and Beta being drawn I’d suggest this is due more to women and their comfort with Open Hypergamy and men deductively modeling their gender expectations as a result. That said, Xsplat’s not wrong. It is entirely possible for an archetypal Alpha Man to be an upstanding member of society, provide for his family and be well respected both by his peers and his wife. The character of George Bailey is an old order example of exactly this kind of man.
In our era women have an unprecedented facility for providing for their own security need, but that doesn’t eliminate the root level, emotional need for optimizing Hypergamy with a man who is an Alpha provider. For the most part women simply don’t expect to find this optimization in the same man. There are men they want to fuck and men they want to consolidate monogamy with, and finding this satisfaction in the same man is so rare, so unexpected, that his character becomes unbelievable. The George Bailey of 1928 is an unbelievable character in 2014.
As I’ve illustrated in many a prior post, Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. Just because the Alpha energy of a kid like Corey Worthington will get him laid without trying doesn’t preempt a woman from being aroused by, and attracted to a George Bailey. Context is king of course, but what matters is that self-interested Alpha mindset. While many a convicted felon possesses this mindset, and receives women’s sexual interests as a result of it, I’d still encourage men to use that Alpha energy to a positive, self-benefiting effect.
So the questions for this weekend are:
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society? It’s dangerous to attempt to make others aware of this perception, but do you try anyway?
Do you see examples of the old order as I have in It’s a Wonderful Life? Understanding the idealisms inherent in it, what other examples of this old order to you know?
Alpha providers, while being an idealistic character, can exist, but are they realistic? I’d propose that embodying this role has become one of being seen too readily as a Beta by women due to the unbelievability of it. Does men’s romantic nature predispose them to thinking they can adequately fulfill this role? Does that romanticism expect women to be receptive and appreciative of it? Is that expectation on of investing in Relational Equity?
December 29th, 2014 at 5:43 pm
@ Water Cannon Boy:
“Your aunt giggles advocated sexual assault.( or since she’s a girl she can joke about that)
http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2014/12/23/relationshipstrategies/what-women-want-2/#comment-1760736064”
Here’s what she said:
“You could say, “listen, I know it’s been a couple of weeks, but I am still thinking about that makeout sesh…”
“Alternatively, you could get him drunk and do it again!”
I’m no longer surprised by anything Susan says. It’s hardly worth reading or commenting on anymore. She’s as tone-deaf as they come – advocating, even joking, that a woman get a guy drunk and then initiate another makeout session. I’m not sure she even knows what she’s saying — that she’s suggesting a woman undertake a course of conduct that she herself claims is sexual assault when a man does it.
December 29th, 2014 at 5:51 pm
This is kind of mind-blowing, because it’s on a female-centric satire site:
http://reductress.com/post/how-i-learned-to-stop-hating-my-body-and-start-hating-my-horrible-personality/
http://reductress.com/post/5-emotions-to-stop-feeling-after-youre-30/
This is either the best piece of Black Knighting I’ve ever seen, or a really interesting early indicator of attitude changes.
The tactic of expressing truths behind multi-layered irony, so the reader wonders how meta the sendups are, is also one to file away.
December 29th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
jf, this is from the classical definition of Alpha, not the hijacked PUA definition of alphalpha. Pay attention to what you are reading, and maybe turn off your “jf12″ goggles before reading.
December 29th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
@Badpainter
>All that aside the most critical, IMO, factor is the nations behind the iron curtain didn’t, or haven’t yet been fully corrupted by the strain of western feminism that insists women become men. Whether true or not, or to what degree, the ‘sphere holds the notion, that in Russia for example, men can still be men and are expected to be, whist women are still women.
I can tell you this is somewhat correct. The key word is “fully”. The countries are getting more and more liberal by the year. The women here and not as bad as those in the west (to be honest I haven’t actually been to the west to comapre but that’s the feeling I get from online interactions) but don’t think it’s the 50’s or anything. Maybe I’m underestimating how bad the situation in the west is but I personally wouldn’t say it’s worth coming here for just for the women.
December 29th, 2014 at 7:09 pm
And the “that’s not really alpah” chorus shows up.
I know nothing about Jimmy Stewart or any other actor, but they are actors and I think it is likely folks confuse their stage persona with the real man.
December 29th, 2014 at 7:23 pm
re: No True Alpha etc.
The “classical” Alpha evidently is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent. None of which work with women. I know, being all classical an’ all myownself. The road to betahood is paved with good intentions, especially intentions to be good.
Alpha also has NOTHING to do with a man “being a man” or “a man among men”, or a leader of men, or anything to do with his relating to men. I, and too too many other men, are fine leaders of men but women are awful towards us. Alpha is in the context of relationships with women, specifically whether women service him, sexually and nonsexually. Alpha has nothing to do with the quality of his wife, if he has to service her instead of her servicing him.
Every attempt to distract how awful women are to nice guys is strictly White Knighting and nothing else.
December 29th, 2014 at 7:38 pm
George – “They end up extremely insecure bitter hags in short order.”
This seems to be the case amongst all women who hold to the feminist notion of equalitarian relationships. And I think generates similar results amongst women who don’t actively subscribe to feminism but willingly accept the benefits of feminism. And I think it’s the career track reality that does it.
A woman working outside the home must submit to the hierarchy of the work place. The workplace is the Alpha of her existance because it can and will dispose of her as soon as she is unwanted/not needed. The workplace is dread writ large. When she goes home she can’t as easily submit to her beta husband because she knows he can’t and won’t dispose of her so easily, especially if there are children involved. This is a source of disrespect, she gets away with it because she can. She resists because she has been playing that submision game all day and refuses to simply give in at home.
Likewise a man having to walk the tightrope of workplace politics being both a good follower and showing initiative, and leadership irrespective of rank and position, has little desire to fight those same battles at home. So he gives in out of exhaustion what he wants is moments peace where his way is the only way because he’s the king of his own castle at least in his own mind.
Both man and woman are ultimately played against each other in this situation. The woman is more resistant to submit, the man more reluctant to dominate because he now has to be more dominant than the woman’s work place without the benefit hard dread sans consequences. In the past the practiced amount of domestic dominance required would be reduced or mitigated by the economic reality of the woman’s dependence on the man for her material standard of living. Not so today when divorce law favors the woman, and domestic violence laws, and standards for defining abuse only apply to men. Today those influences plus the nuttiness of feminism makes a challenging situation worse as the the gender roles are now competitive instead of complimentary and collaborative
December 29th, 2014 at 7:42 pm
To my thinking, in the man o sphere etc alpah has a particular meaning so we should go with it as a common reference for discussion which doesn’t imply it’s universally agreed to.
Once again, I am fair certain Rollo has addressed the tendency of men wanting to define alpha in such a way that it describes himself
I would sound ridiculous if I defined alpha as squats 700+; overhead presses 300+ etc etc.
December 29th, 2014 at 8:59 pm
@sfcton re: “the tendency of men wanting to define alpha in such a way that it describes himself”
For some men. For others, including a LOT of men here at Rollo’s, we define alpha as contrary to our natural nice guy beta tendencies. For example, anything I would tend to do reflexively with a woman is beta.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
Reminder that I asked a question that nobody touched: Who are the teen girl pinups of today? In other words, who are the celebrity young girls that teen boys feel permitted to put up on their bedroom walls?
Redpill question #1) Why aren’t there any teen girl pinups?
Bonus redpill observation: A teen boy’s crushes are the ordinary girls-next-door, the girl sitting next to him in history class, the sister of his best friend, etc.
Redpill question #2) Why haven’t you noticed? Why haven’t you thought it weird that there aren’t and *never* have been, “lad rags” actually marketed to adolescent boys’ tastes, the way that Tiger Beat etc are marketed to girls?
December 29th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
@ jf12
“On the subject of why more men don’t naturally act alpha, remember that until recently acting alpha was very physically dangerous. You were likely to get in lots of fights and experience leadership conflict. Sleeping with women without committing to them would on the average make her father and brothers [and suitors or husband] want to kill you.
“Just acting like an alpha wouldn’t be enough. You would need the actual skills, status, and resources to survive and thrive in these situations. This more precisely explains why pre-selection is so powerful. When a woman knows that other women are sleeping with you, she knows (or would have known in earlier societies) you have the skills and status to act this way without someone killing you. Now, loser deadbeats with no meaningful status or skills can act like alphas and other men won’t kill them for it, but female preference has not yet evolved to reflect that.
“Modern society allows men to act the part of alpha without ever having to back it up.”
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/how-to-spot-a-charming-loverboy/#comment-636780
December 29th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
@ Ares
Bring back dueling. Pistols at dawn might not change women but it would sure as hell change men, and clearly distinguish the poseurs from the rest.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
Bring back dueling? I’m in
December 29th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
@Ares, I agree with that comment. That’s why I say alpha (bad boy) is the peacock tail: an attractive handicap.
December 29th, 2014 at 9:51 pm
Sfcton and others, if we cannot have a defined definition of words, which by the way is masculine, if we allow words to be co-opted to mean anything we want them to mean, which by the way is feminine, then like the Tower of Babble, we fall into a confusing choir of non-sense.
By taking the classical meaning of Alpha, and perverting it to cover anything that leads to banging sluts, then we are following the female.
I have no problem with guys banging sluts, please, fill your boots, I did. My problem is watching the masculine energy of the world, order, courage, definition of nature and sundry, loyalty, etc., fall to the feminine energy, deceit, rationalization, false face, etc.
If you believe that words have no power, aside from what we as individuals assign them, read the novel “Babel 17″. Though it is a work of fiction, it eerily predicts what is happening in this day and age, when masculine rules are thrown out to be replaced by the feminine rules and no longer do we have substantial definitions of words or phrases. It is like if on a construction site, I decided that I no longer felt it was necessary to agree with gravity and started to run my waste pipes with the wrong slope. The shit just keeps backing up until it overflows onto the floor. This is what is happening, by us males loosing our male tendency to order and definition. The shit is just flowing wherever it wants, but not in the right direction.
Bonecracker is absolutely right about this.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Bonecracker wants a Lawful Good Superman to be the Alpha who women adore for his character, but it’s the Chaotic Neutral Batman who gets women wet and makes Alpha Widows of while occasionally brining a bad guy to justice.
Alpha is a state of mind, not a demographic. You can use that fire to warm your house and cook your food, or you can burn the house down and your neighbor’s along with it.
Women will spread their legs for the fire either way.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
I think George and Badpainter bring forward an interesting hypothesis above: the idea that women are pursuing an AF/BB strategy so relentlessly not only because a man to exemplify both sides are so rare (though they are unusual), but because women would generally avoid such a man – because she would have no power over him, he would command all spheres. And modern women fear submission greatly, they’ve been trained to. And they’ve often enough never experienced it positively, with so many absent and beta father’s around.
Just like how I, as a teenager who had never seen so much as a naked breast, found the prospect of taking a woman sexually to be terrifying.
It’s no doubt not the only thing going on, but I wonder if it’s a factor.
December 29th, 2014 at 10:50 pm
From http://no-maam.blogspot.ca/2012/06/keynesian-sexual-marketplace.html :
“The Bonecrcker is different from much of the game-o-sphere in one key way: His definitions of Alpha, Beta & Omega are entirely different from the conventional definitions we are using today. I still believe that he is closer to the underlying “Truth” with his ordering of these definitions because he goes beyond merely “scoring” and a high partner count in his definitions, for he includes social status and the ability to co-operate with other men – in order to create power – as part of his definition of ‘alpha’.
“Here are the definitions I learned it under, which will make sense further along in my argument.
“Alpha: The “top” male – both sexually and socially.
“Beta: Most males in the population. The average guy.
“Omega: The scum/deviant/criminal class
“Zeta: Weak-willed males ”
…
“Another factor that has enabled Omega behavior to be successful is urban anonymity. It is easy to be a “sexual sniper” in the big city where the Omega can easily disappear into the background before the valuable Beta class finds him out and ruins his life. You cannot rise in socio-sexual ranking when you are constantly cuckolding all those around you, whose co-operation you would need in order to gain social power in society. Keep in mind that urban growth is a relatively recent phenomenon in human history. For most of history humans lived in relatively small, rural communities and they needed the co-operation and respect of those around them, especially other males, in order to survive.”
December 29th, 2014 at 10:51 pm
Alpha is a defined term for the top dog. It was never a defined term for getting woman wet only. That was a subset of being Alpha. Unfortunately, many in the sphere want to shrink the definition to a small particle of what it really means.
Why is that?
December 29th, 2014 at 10:54 pm
Re: jf12’s Redpill question #2
Ummmm…. Because unlike girls/women boys/men have no need of such carefully packaged images. We have actual porn, and don’t need a sterilized fully clothed version to create ambiguity as to whether or not we’re thinking about sex. We’re thinking about sex. Women aren’t generally capable of that sort of honesty, and neither are fathers when it comes to their daughters. I suspect open hypergamy in conjunction with internet porn will change that.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:02 pm
DeNihilist – “Why is that?”
Because in terms of solving the problem of how to be more successful and satisfied in relationships with women being a leader of men, being George Bailey, dosen’t generate results any better than having money, being “nice”, or just being yourself. As Rollo would say hypergamy doesn’t care about any of that.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:04 pm
Really?
http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/29/the-origin-of-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/05/the-contextual-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/02/21/defining-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/20/the-warrior-gene-is-alpha-genetic/
http://therationalmale.com/2012/08/01/flashes-of-alpha/
http://therationalmale.com/2014/11/02/alpha-tells/
Shall I go on expanding?
If anyone’s shrinking the definition of the term it’s men who insist that ‘Alpha’ be defined to serve their own self-image or whatever heroic character they’d idealize it for.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:07 pm
Ares, thanks, that is one hell of a read. Bookmarked.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:30 pm
I think you are missing my argument. Banging chicks is part of the Alpha experience, but just because you bang a lot of chicks, it does make you an Alpha. I agree with Bonecrcker here, nowadays, most guys who are getting high notch counts display more Omega tendencies in their general life then Alpha tendencies.
So the Omegas want to confiscate the term to cover themselves in respectability. Very feminine. I think it is called rationalization. Alpha is not just who fucks more chicks. And if you really believe that women won’t fuck Omegas, only Alphas, then maybe peruse Ares last post. Very succinct.
The Tower of Babel is rising again.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:33 pm
Rollo, one more parable.
On my slow pitch team, I am the star. Even at 56 I can still hit em outta the park, turn the double play, etc. Yet I have never ever been approached by a Major League scout.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:33 pm
LOL – “does not make you”
December 29th, 2014 at 11:52 pm
@Badpainter re: “Because unlike girls/women boys/men have no need of such carefully packaged images.”
The phenomenon of iconolatry is at least as male as female, even outside porn; starving men plaster their rooms with pictures/drawings of food at least as much as imprisoned men cover their walls with pictures/drawings of women, not all naked. I don’t think it comes down to girls needing idol fetishes more than boys, but that it is socially unacceptable for an adolescent boy to be permitted constant visual reminders of an unobtainable adolescent girl.
He isn’t permitted to “moon”, neither over a starlet nor over the girl sitting next to him in history. If she isn’t his current girlfriend, it’s now considered stalking and firmly quashed. I think the redpill view is that society ensures that boys’ feelings are to be discouraged, and girls’ feeling are to be encouraged.
December 29th, 2014 at 11:54 pm
@Badpainter
Those are communist nations you cite. Those nations were totalitarian not because of redistribution or socialist economies. They were tyrannies because too much power was vested in one person or party or entity – typically the executive, police, and military – and, not incidentally, the people of those nations had been rendered submissive and passive by religion. Marxist regimes are nearly always tyrannical because power is concentrated in one entity and is not federated, checked, separated, and balanced. Too much government power concentrated into one part of government will result in tyranny. Additionally, Marxism tends to engender religious like fanaticism such that all opposition is viewed as evil.
On the other hand, not enough power in government results in tyranny of private powers. Liberty requires a delicate balance between government power and private power.
If redistribution caused tyranny, a host of very free nations would be tyrannical: France, Germany, Japan, Denmark, Canada, Netherlands, Norway, Finland, and New Zealand.
“Socialism requires huge external interventions into the markets to control who gets what.”
No it doesn’t. That’s extreme socialism. Your argument is a reductio ad absurdum. No one wants to control who gets what.
“In order to referee that system huge invasive policing systems are necessary or the open market will work around/ignore the redistributionist policies.”
Of course government refereeing requires power and force as does any policing. And that creates a potential problem. But the absence of policing on the streets will produce the same results as lack of policing of markets. The 2008 and 1929 crashes should come to mind.
“Note it’s usually women from formerly communist nations of central and eastern Europe. The working theory seems to be these women are of a more traditional mindset”
Those communist nations preached more stringent notions of equality. Lenin instituted female emancipation with the goal of making women equal. Traditions (especially religious traditions) under the Soviet regime were wiped out. Religious tradition is heavy in the US while atheism and irrelegion are far more common in Europe.
So (a thought to ponder and neither of us have the answer to what I am about to propose) lets being this back to gender relations: what if it’s not feminists theory being launched into the metaphysical clouds in the sky causing it to rain down magically upon us causing American women to be American women? What if it is instead America itself, and the American work place and lifestyle, which produces American women who are . . . who are very American, that is to say, crude, rough around the edges, uneducated, hyper competitive, uninformed, aggressive, obnoxious? Are we so American that we think American women are special? I think they are simply as crude as American men?
Read Tocqueville’s Democracy in American where he talks about American women. The unique character of American women we speak of in the manosphere, I think, goes back further than the 1960s’s or feminism.
December 30th, 2014 at 12:23 am
@JF12 – Stewart wasn’t a “nice guy.” Don’t kid yourself. He roomed with Henry Fonda and the two had a bad reputation as party boys. Over the course of three or four pre-war years, Stewart banged Ginger Rogers, Norma Shearer, Margaret Sullivan, and the wild bisexual sex symbol, Marlene Dietrich. Those are the famous ones we know about. Pretty solid bedpost notches. His on-screen character wasn’t particularly butch, you’re correct about that, but he obviously packed sufficient gear to pull topnotch talent when he wanted to. Your comments highlight the difference between a milquetoast screen persona, the non-John Wayne, and a guy who in real life was playing to win.
Part of the divide between image and actuality is that the prole women might not have recognized him as the dominant and accomplished alpha that he was, but the women close to him – high quality pieces of ass and in some cases very sharp cookies like Dietrich, obviously glommed onto him. Do higher quality women look for a different kind of alpha – more contextual and more about accomplishment – than the proletarian women are looking for?
December 30th, 2014 at 12:44 am
@ Bachelorocles
I would agree there is something unique about America, and I’d love to discuss it with you over a bottle of good scotch. But let’s leave that be for a moment as too far Off Topic.
On the issue of socialism I think all roads lead to oppressive tyrannies, the difference between communism and the decaying social democracies of Western Europe and North America is in how flexible or rigid the socialist orthadoxy. The degree of flexibility being a measure economic power, and wealth, when the money runs out those systems will become sclerotic and unbending as TPTB do whatever is necessary to retain power. The USSR had the NKVD and KGB to control the masses, the USA has Omeland Security, IRS, and a tyranny of regulations.
Tyranny is what happens when self reliance dies. When half the voting population is by its very nature parasitic tyranny will be voted into office.
December 30th, 2014 at 1:08 am
@Badpainter
If all socialist roads lead to tyranny, why are the people so much more free in the socialist nations in Europe? The US is much less socialist and yet Americans have less freedom and most Americans do little more in life than work. Americans on average get maybe ten days off per year. That’s it. Know how much vacation Europeans get? In Europe, freedom is much more concrete, as in: how much free time to you really have? Do you have time to read books, take month-long vacations, develop your brain and body, develop your life, spend time with your family? Or do you, like most Americans, do little more than work?
“When half the voting population is by its very nature parasitic tyranny will be voted into office.”
Americans are far from parasitic. Americans are one of hardest working and over worked people in the world and are at the top in productivity.
December 30th, 2014 at 1:48 am
@ Bachelorocles
America is unique, neither better nor worse than anywhere else, but unique. We have different priorities. Culturally the drive to work seems to me a result of both necessity, and opportunity and a lingering cultural artifact. Give it 20 years we’ll be like Europe.
My Dad’s parents grew up on the ranch. My Grandmother in a house with a dirt floor, and her family owned the ranch. Horses weren’t entirely replaced with trucks and tractors in that area until about 1950. Work was survival.
My Mom’s family were city folk. Her father’s father was from a holler in Virginia and he got out by joining the Cavalry, chasing Villa around Mexico and ended up a postal carrier. All those people worked hard because they could keep the fruits of their labor and guide their own lives. Americans work themselves too death chasing a dream about self sufficiency, and economic autonomy. Liberty! The cost of which is hard work. A dream that we now waking up from. A dream reduced to bad marketing and appeals to nostalgia.
MGTOW, Enjoy the Decline, and Going Galt are the reactions to realizing the American Dream is no longer obtainable by the average American. Europe seems to reached a similar realization sooner. But Europe has its own economic hangover to deal with as the US is no longer subsidizing it’s physical defense, and along with that no longer bribing and coercing the various European nations to play nice with one another. How that works out in the future is anyone’s guess.
Oh and the parasites are the women. Women don’t function well alone, they need support external to themselves. Given their fearful, discontented, anxious nature they will always vote for some form of collectivism unless attached to a provisioning male. Voting patterns in the US bare this out. But the cost of providing collective safety nets, and policies that favor equality of outcomes punish and disincentivize the very men who would otherwise support them individually, as well such policies make the average man less attractive.
This further disincentivizes work, and productivity,as it becomes harder and harder in this society to start, build and maintain a family. Maximizing leisure, learning game and banging sluts is our Brave New World. It’s what the society endorses by virtue of the incentives it provides, and it’s what women want so there’s that added benefit.
December 30th, 2014 at 5:57 am
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December 30th, 2014 at 5:59 am
America is less free then Europe….. that’s no where near what I observe or what my friends from over there report.
Germany tells you how long you can let your car warm up. France will.fine you for saying the truth about hajjis, or queers. My far right political views would get me arrested in most of Europe, two of my dogs are illegal in a number of Eurpean nations. They are micro managed to an incredible degree. While some places in Europe have decent gun laws, my arsenal would never be allowed; my car would never be allowed because of gas consumption; my bike because of noise etc etc
Usually folks say that thing about more free and men my vice is legal , which is cool by me but on most things, that’s a load of shit.
December 30th, 2014 at 7:52 am
@Joe Blow ,
Your observations on Jimmy Stewart are so true.
One suggestion though:
Stewart’s biggest accomplishment with women wasn’t “he stayed faithful to a single woman for 40 years”
Here’s the real accomplishment:
“He kept a woman happily married to him for 40 years”
FWIW also. Fairbanks Jr. kept his wife Mary Lee happily married to him for 49 years from 1939 until she died in 1988.
No hypergamous straying on the part of those chicas . . .
December 30th, 2014 at 11:32 am
@TAnom
“Maybe I’m underestimating how bad the situation in the west is but I personally wouldn’t say it’s worth coming here for just for the women.”
I’ve been living in East Europe for 5 years. Believe me, it worths.
December 30th, 2014 at 11:58 am
@sfcton
“America is less free then Europe….. that’s no where near what I observe or what my friends from over there report.”
I think neither of them are more free, they have differents ways to curb people from expressing radical freedom.
In Europe people have the impression that they are more free because government normally doesn’t need to curb anybody. The tradition of “political correctness” make people curb themselves.
In US people are mostly curbed by government. Europe (specially within weaker countries) doesn’t have NSA’s and stuff like that.
IMO Europeans will have trouble to adapt to the US. The opposite is also true.
December 30th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
What Red Pill observations do you find unignorable in contemporary society?
I coach sport here in the UK. There is no question in my mind that young boys are softer mentally than they were 10 yrs ago(not to mention worse behaved, shorter attention spans and less co-ordinated). I am certain this is connected to parental influences, particularly fathers who are more concerned with protecting their boys from any pain rather than letting them toughen up by their experiences.
One boy I consider to be the most difficult child I have dealt with, completely rejects any male authority. When I requested to speak with his father I was told: “Don’t speak with him, he’s a pushover, speak to the mother she’s in charge.”
Families and LTR’s which are completely dominated by a controlling woman are all I see here. There’s a lot of men sponsoring women’s lifestyles out there in the western world.
December 30th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
the usa has a huge problem with one demographic group, pretty big issue with a second which impacts a lot of things, meaning our govt tries to control them but has rules that affect everyone. Most European nations don’t have that liability, though many are starting to
the usa will never again have the same liberties as it did before as long as we have those two demographic groups.
December 31st, 2014 at 2:44 pm
I notice so many things now, especially when is see couples. I see the AF/BB dynamics.
Exemple : bibi jones retired, got with a man who can be a man who is old enough to be her father and had a child :
Is it because:
1- she loves him so much or
2- beta bucks?
That man will probably die from old age by the time the kid is 21.
December 31st, 2014 at 4:16 pm
I just came to this thread to do a slow clap for this comment by Buena Vista a couple of days ago:
”What’s unignorable in my experience is the absolute taboo that exists in identifying, and disclosing, to a woman her own AFBB/open hypergamy life model.
“It’s social suicide to tell a woman or her enablers that you have a copy of her playbook. If you want to see some truly atavistic behavior, make a woman your AF alpha widow, and point out that you are not migrating the relationship into BB/drafthorse provider territory.”
That is exactly steel on target. Dead on. Women excoriate and castigate me every time I point out to them their own AF behaviors; every time I point out that they weren’t really interested in marriage but were instead pursuing the douchebags and alpha dick and loving every minute of it. Women absolutely HATE it when you point out to them that they followed, or are following, a strategy of fucking hot guys with no commitment (in other words, their slutty behavior).
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