After the engaging conversation in this week’s comment thread, there’s something I’ve been contemplating and I think it might make for a good weekend discussion.
With regard to this new comfort women have with open Hypergamy now, proudly laying bare their Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks sexual strategy, to the degree that advertising agencies are making blatant commercials about it, I’m starting to think that women hold (or are progressively developing) a subconscious level resentment for those men who would willingly accept her intimately in spite of that foreknowledge.
I realize this reads like a “well, duh Rollo” moment, and I get that a deductive, lesser respect for a Beta man impulse resides in women, but what I’m considering here is this lesser respect in a new, open Hypergamy social context. Whereas before a Beta man might be excused for his ignorance of women’s sexual pluralism (AF/BB) due to women’s secrecy or marginalizing it, now women discover that the Beta men they need to consolidate on in the long term are such hopeless romantics and so sexually optionless that they’ll willfully ignore that open Hypergamy and accept them intimately in spite of it.
It’s an interesting conflict; on one hand the urgency of consolidating on a long term prospect leads her to the Epiphany Phase rationalizations for wanting to do things ‘the right way’ with the Beta provider, but on the other hand, there’s the fact that he accepts his pro-active cuckolding with full knowledge of not just her own prior Alpha ‘indiscretions’, but open Hypergamy on whole.
She needs the guy for provisioning and parental investment impulses, but now the buffer of convincing herself that this Nice guy is simply naive to how Hypergamy functions is gone, thus leaving her more resentful that the type of man she at least figuratively would spend her life with is this pathetic.
Commenter, salemsuwareh had an excellent observation from the last post that I didn’t want to be lost in the pile:
I just went to HUS’s article and the explanations given by the women and white knights there actually impressed me because they conveniently demonstrate so many things:
– The most important point is that the whole scenario is defined by the feminine imperative, this point really overrides and defines all others. It’s a form of thought control. If you define what was, what is and what could be according to your imperative then you can make yourself look right. It’s like a way more sophisticated version of 1984’s thought control.
– Women keep chiming in with their stories of how they too enjoy more attention from the other sex now that they’ve fixed some aspect of themselves (and they’ll try to clutch at Stephan doing the same thing to support their argument). What they don’t mention is the difference in SMV between men and women. Women START OUT being arousing to men and go downhill from there. A woman who made herself look better would’ve had at least as much attention when she was younger if she weren’t ugly then.
– Stephan describes himself as not having changed but the women say that is what he has. They are literally conjuring up the idea that Stephan is now more alpha out of thin air.
– They accuse men of doing the same thing women are doing if they can’t make a point or they accuse men of starting it. For example they say MEN who perpetuate the “beta bux” myth. In the next sentence, Susan says that only one of beta bux or post-wall women overestimating their SMV can be true, which coming from her can only be a case of willing, studied ignorance. She’s trying to take pieces out of Rollo’s words and put them against each other but she’s changing the context that the words were made for in the first place, for example – her comparison is false because post-wall women are DEFINED BY (other than visible outer signs ie. fading looks) a realisation that their SMV is under fire, that doesn’t put that in opposition to beta bux, it supports it. By now I’m thinking women have a natural talent for projection and rationalization.
– Men who fear being single like women do are beta men. They are so because a man with options by definition cannot fear being single, since he has options. If you’ve never had any success with women and you’re a plugged-in blue pill, of course you will fear being single! the leaps and haphazard logic she’s making here are just astounding, and that’s before I even begin talking about what she’s implying by saying/implying that men and women have the same problems.
– Susan is selecting the cases that support her point. The two ugly ducklings who find each other at age 28 and live happily ever after.
– Susan talks as if women have no idea what they’re doing with men. If epiphany-phase women are giving signs of being hooked on you, they must genuinely want to fuck you! because women are warm, fuzzy creatures and would never do something like try to push someone’s buttons to get what they want.
– It’s made out like Stephan can turn into a winner if he takes one of these leftover women, or rather that he already IS one because they want him now. They’re trying to prop up his ego to get him to go along with their imperative. Don’t worry Stephan, these girls finally understand that the person they really felt their tingles for was you all along! they were just confused by biker-Rob with the skull tattoo, but I’m all yours now baby.
Overall It’s pretty cool to see the three female weapons as I see them – the anointed trinity of Female Imperative, Rationalization and Projection – in action. They do it so well that you wouldn’t see it for what it is unless you’re familiar with something like Rollo’s blog, which is what’s going on with most men. Unfortunately for these women we have a failsafe, which is to observe what choices women make instead of listening to why they themselves say they make them (assuming she’s a rare woman who holds herself accountable for her own choices, that is).
The problem with convincing Stephan he’s on the right path (of Beta assimilation) is that this feminine-primary advice mistakenly presumes an old order, closed-Hypergamy social paradigm. The ladies at HUS presume Stephan is ignorant of this new-order open Hypergamy (or just initially questioning it), and as with women of their age, they cling to the idea that they can put the Hypergamy genie back in the bottle, reapply his Beta blinders, and thus re-prepare him for a 27-30 year old woman necessitous of his provisioning potential.
This is where their resentment stems from. Any man with the visceral knowledge of women’s dualistic sexual strategy who would still pardon their own participation in it is a man even less respectable than the forgivable Beta without that foreknowledge.
He’s a guy who Just Gets It, yet is so pathetically optionless he willingly chooses to participate in it, since to him the prospect of being manipulated is preferable to the threat of perpetual loneliness; which is the very same threat these women level at him in their advice.
The ‘better’ Beta they think can be built isn’t ego-satisfyingly believable if he’s already aware of and participates in the schadenfreude they have for him.
November 9th, 2014 at 5:54 am
jf12: ” as I was planting some pansies out by the road”
Good grief, man, that’s more than a bit flagrante delicto, what?
If she doesn’t get the hint by now she’s a basket case.
Or does that not mean what it means, Over There?
Rightyho, got to turn everything off and close the shutters for a bit.
Thinking about better men than me, and all the cousins I never had.
November 9th, 2014 at 8:47 am
@Tam, re: Over Here.
I had to pull up the still-blooming zinnias to make room. They had been too leggy for a month already, but it was yet too warm for the pansies.
Pansies are quite innocent here. Geraniums less so, due to The Waltons, I think. I always have some indoors in the window in my office.
November 9th, 2014 at 8:58 am
Mmm, windowsill treatments .. I’m a dead wasps and cobwebs man myself.
November 9th, 2014 at 9:10 am
The Preparation Hypothesis made quite a wet splash, e.g.
Suschinsky K, Lalumière M. 2011. Prepared for Anything? An Investigation of Female Genital Arousal in Response to Rape Cues. Psychological Science, 22(2),159-165.
http://www.centenary.edu/attachments/psychology/journal/archive/mar2011journalclub.pdf
“No [prior] study has examined women’s responses to stimuli depicting nonconsensual sexualinteractions that are otherwise identical to stimuli depicting consensual sexual interactions.
…
Men’s genital responses were largest for the consensual, nonviolent sexual stimuli and lower for all other stimulus categories, whereas women’s genital responses tended to be more evenly distributed across the stimulus categories.”
Looking at Figure 1 bottom, women did show elevated genital responses to stimuli depicting nonconsensual sex, with violent nonconsensual sex beating nonviolent nonconsensual sex. Women were not genitally aroused by nonsexual violence.
November 9th, 2014 at 9:27 am
Getting further off topic, I had been dribbling blood meal for each pansy, and a neighborhood dog came to investigate. She is a happy but scruffy well-used mama dog who has produced large litters with multiple fathers the past half-dozen years. She usually greets me by falling supine at my feet and urinating the requisite 10-20 mL. She was lying in the gutter belly up with limbs spread while I was trying to get her to smell a big yellow pansy, as if trying to revive her, when the other aging female jogged by.
It was sharing personal details like this that got me in trouble a few months ago, since somebody recognized me.
November 9th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Its’s a threat from @ Princess:
“If you are 40 don’t look at 20 year old women, fucker.”
Who enabled these people?
Sholom !
November 9th, 2014 at 11:12 am
@ton:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/03/21/violence/
November 9th, 2014 at 11:30 am
lol hit tip to you Rollo
November 9th, 2014 at 2:53 pm
Game is fundamentally flawed.
My argument is that Game is flawed not in execution but in legal parameters that surround society and the ultimate goal it seeks to achieve.
The rules of the society tend to penalize fathering a ton of children due to child support and other legal burdens placed on the man to provide for them. So I am going against what society wants on the whole, for the whole purpose of just feeling good it seems
Sure you can sleep with a bunch a women using contraception but what is the fundamental belief behind this hedonism (do what feels good)? Sure some physiological benefits are probably attained through this as well such as higher testosterone, less stress to mention a few.
The main philosophy seems to be Hedonism which doesn’t resonate me as a big enough motivating factor, to live my life for, simply because I am left asking myself what is the point and I understand that within the cosmos there isn’t really one (selfish gene) but what about within society? The desire to leave an impact and legacy seems to be ingrained in me.
A lot of the information in the game sphere is pulled from the understanding of the evolution sexual strategies, but then wouldn’t the fundamental goal behind evolution sexual strategies would be to have more offspring to pass on your genes (family line) but contraception contradicts this so I am left to conclude that its just to feel good.
Thing is I want to have kids one way or another, surrogacy seems like a good option but than what kind of world I am leaving for my kids? Say I was to have a daughter now she would be left to leave in a world populated with Red Pillers bent on pumping and dumping The flip side is that she would probably be some hypergamous slut bent on beta bucks alpha fucks. Although game does address short-term issues quite well I fail to see how it addresses the major long-term flaws in society as a whole.
This is what I want the manosphere to take on, it would be more “alpha” to grant power to men to shape society as we deemed we fit.
Imagine if the world was once again dominated by men, the productivity, creativity, inventions, innovation that could occur because men no longer had to chase pussy. The world could be based on a new sexual strategy where being a provider (resources) and being a sexually attractive were equally valued. Where there was no such thing as no fault divorce and instead we actually had agreeable fair contracts for both sexes. Where children would be raised in the best environment possible, where things that destabilized order and economic prosperity of the nation were punished.
I believe this is where the manosphere should head not towards the domination of women but towards the control of laws and social order. If men control the laws and social order then the establishment of a more beneficial order not for men only but for women can take place. It could be where a sexual strategy that favors fair play understands the value of resources and sexual attractiveness. As I see it right now modern “Game” your betting against the house sure we get lucky a few men win here and there but at the end of the day the house always wins. Why bet against the house when we could become the house.
I do see the information you provide as highly beneficial and I have brought your book and I greatly appreciate it but I can’t help but think that there most be a better way then to even participate in the douchebaggery that the mating market has become due to the incentives placed on the bad behavior of women
Regards,
Joshua Raphael
November 9th, 2014 at 2:58 pm
Game is about far more than chasing pussy, it’s the practice of Red Pill awareness. The scope you cast Game in is narrowed to it’s short term uses, not the larger whole of how it can improve a man’s life in the long term.
It’s not about hedonism, it’s about Men putting themselves as their own mental point of origin instead of feminine-primacy.
Also, it’s not who’s outbreeding who, it’s about who’s outbanging who:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/26/are-the-cads-outbanging-the-dads/
November 9th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
@Joahua
I feel your pain. lol
I have picked up on a bit of adversity between the Game proponents and the MRAs but in my opinion I think it is best to support both. And I really wish more people on both sides would see that.
Game adresses the personal needs, as you said, in the short run.. but ultimately fails in the big picture of the society we live within. MRAs address the big picture- although not in a way I always agree with- but fail to recognize that simply changing the laws and culture will not resolve a mans need to Game and, as Rollo puts it, perform.
Sometimes though, I think I feel this way as a result of buying into too much blue pill as well. Or maybe a failure of imagination on my part to find a truly motivating Vision and motive for living my life.
There is alot to unpack here.. first, what is this need for a higher calling? is it innate, or is it something we are told we must have? Is a family and kids really that great a vision? Is it really a Mission to build ones life around? Because that sounds vaguely feminine to me, and I wonder if we are not just the result of constant messages by the FI to prepare us for mule-hood and service to women.
In the RP manoshpere you hear alot about having a purpose and a mission, and how women are icing on the cake of life and that you should always be pursuing your goals etc… but what goals are those exactly? Am I supposed to live my life centered on hitting the gym, making more money and pursuing my hobbies? Sounds pretty mundane to me. But isn’t married with kids as mundane as it gets as well?
I think about this stuff alot and I think its my current block towards RP freedom. We go through stages after becoming RP- there is the bitterness stage, the denial stage, the bargaining stage of purple pill etc.. at the moment for me it is this- So what is my lifes purpose then if not procreation and family?
As blue pill betas we have made our lives centered around womens needs and our desire to get them. Now we find that doing so actually harms us and pushs the kitty away to boot. So now we have to ask, what do WE want, what do I want? and after answering that question with “pussy” for a few decades we may simply lack the imagination to imagine something else, or have lost touch with our own true wants and needs.
I’d LOVE to hear Rollos take on this.
November 9th, 2014 at 3:49 pm
Joshua Raphael – “Game is fundamentally flawed….”
No. Game works. It’s a tool, but like any tool it has to used properly. Proper use implies a limt to its usefulness.
Today, in 2014, we are faced with dystopic society in the beginnings decline. Declining civilizations always feature collapsing social structures first before the collapse of their material infrastructures. The hedonism you note is just one symptom of a society in decline.
Game is not, and never was, presented as a solution to the larger macro issues of society. It does however have some limited potential to positively influence society simply by virtue of freeing men from the shackles of responsibility that makes them willing participants in their own enslavement and destruction. Only when a critical mass are unplugged from the matrix can there be any hope of effecting positive change in the aggregate.
In the mean time open, overt, unrestricted, and unrepentant hypergamy is primary source of the caustic hedonism you’re concerned about. This is what the FI leaders want, and the herd (women) will go along because that’s what herds do; follow the leaders right over a cliff. The leaders of the FI have built the matrix explicitly to destroy the nuclear family, subjugate common men, destroy any local sense of community, and concentrate power in the hands of a very few people.
Game works for individual men to navigate the world they actually live in, whether it works beyond that remains to be seen. Hedonism is what the women want because women will do whatever they are told they want to do. The fact there is not a vocal WGTOW movement should be telling in this regard.
Then you say this:
“This is what I want the manosphere to take on, it would be more ‘alpha’ to grant power to men to shape society as we deemed we fit.”
I agree in principle. However, we are too few in number, and too divided by political ideology to make anything happen of any real substance using the old fashioned political activism model. Consider also that ‘sphere’s issues are at odds with both the FI and it’s loyal opposition the ‘cons. I do believe through the act of unplugging ad seeking individual empowerment that it’s possible for the common man to again be collectively relevant and influential in society.
November 9th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
” . . . we are too few in number, and too divided by political ideology . . .”
To which Jack Donovan would say, “Form a gang and start the world.”
November 9th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
kfg – “To which Jack Donovan would say, ‘Form a gang and start the world.’ ”
Isn’t that what we’re doing now?
November 9th, 2014 at 4:48 pm
No.
You have to log out to do it.
November 9th, 2014 at 4:52 pm
open hypergamy, malice, and forethought.
November 9th, 2014 at 5:15 pm
“By now I’m thinking women have a natural talent for projection and rationalization.”
“Susan is selecting the cases that support her point.”
The Hamster & Solipsism…Haha, gotta love it!
November 9th, 2014 at 6:08 pm
Game Works:
http://therationalmale.com/2014/10/09/game-works/
Feminism is feminine-primacy masked as equality. The MRM (now more palatably renamed MHRM to ‘humanize’ it) wants that same dream of equality by redressing the glaring inequalities towards men that feminism has relentlessly pressed upon men in the name of that same equality.
The fundamental flaw in the MRM is that it was founded on the express purpose of promoting the same “true” egalitarian equalism feminism idealizes. Once again, I am a complementarian, any notion that a balanced equalism can exist between the sexes – evolved physically and psychologically to be essential complements to one another – is inherently flawed.
I hold Dr. Warren Farrell in the highest esteem, if it weren’t for Why Men Are The Way They Are you wouldn’t be reading this blog. However, where I strongly disagree with him is in his preconception that an egalitarian balance of equal relations between men and women as an idealized state can ever be a possibility.
1st and 2nd wave feminism used to hold exactly this same notion as a tenet of its ideology. Today we can see that the idea of egalitarian equalism is counter to the natural complementarity between the sexes.
The higher ambitions of men will be more actionable and realizable when those men understand that their dominant role is what’s expected of them by society and women instead of an endless pandering to an unrealizable gender parity.
The moment men, through sheer effort and determination, finally achieve some precarious balance of equality between themselves and women, that’s when women will complain those men aren’t “Men” anymore.
November 9th, 2014 at 6:11 pm
“Princess” = Princess SSB = Freud = Phillip = Professor Hardwiggs = Plagio
And new email accounts for the same IP every time, that’s dedication.
Aha. Makes more sense now that Hardwiggs was a feminist plant. Dedicated trolling, though, which is as pathetic as it is impressive.
November 9th, 2014 at 6:12 pm
Curious if Stephan a lost cause. Any idea if he read any of Rollo’s wisdom or that of the collective gang? Would be nice to have one saved soul from the net. But then Princess would try to reconvert him. Hope he makes it.
November 9th, 2014 at 6:17 pm
Gottit, WCB. “Spreading chaos, one dick at a time”
She’s aiming to be a Beltway intern, yeah?
November 9th, 2014 at 6:19 pm
Bear in mind, I consider ‘Stephan’ a proxy for the majority of men experiencing the same thing he is now. I hope he did read this and the prior post, but these were for all the ‘Stephans’ reading them.
And despite Aunt Giggles predictable accusations he’s a troll job, I just c&p’d his email from her site.
November 9th, 2014 at 6:23 pm
“Hardwiggs was a feminist plant” Blimey. Like official opposition? Seemed just a frantic, obsessive, uneducated, slightly sad and repulsive loony to me. Just goes to show, eh? You never can tell.
November 9th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
Aiming for that and to be the women that the Stephen’s of the world are seeking advice about.
November 9th, 2014 at 7:33 pm
@Rollo
I get your point about the MRM being wrong about equalism, and I agree. But is there not some positive effect to pushing back on some level? Even if only to push back on the misandrist laws, would that not avoid the worst of abuses men suffer in divorce cases for example?
I’m imaging a state were men are game aware and so manage their personal lives in a RP fashion, and a judicial system that doesn’t leave men on the brink of legal ruin every time he gets laid, simply on the accusation from a jilted woman.
Basically I see it as two different things.. Game helps me keep the stilletos off my neck.. it would be nice if the MRM helped keep the governments boot heal off it as well.
November 9th, 2014 at 8:55 pm
Hobbes – “it would be nice if the MRM helped keep the governments boot heal off it as well.”
It would be.
How successful have they been? The first time I heard about “men’s rights” as a coherent idea was in 1994. Have we gained or lost ground legally in the last 20 years? The MRM hasn’t even managed to hold the line, if they’ve even slowed the progress of the Cathedral I’d be suprised.
But yes I think supporting the MRM is a good idea inspite of their record. They are the only game I town for anyone who wants to be an activist. I just don’t think they are terribly effective, nor do I believe they can be effective and Rollo’s criticism is why. The MRM believes it can compromise with an adversary who can never be satisfied, and will never stop.
There is no final endgame for the Cathedral’s SJWs, no ideal future where they won’t be agitating for more, and more. The FI is forever secure so long as men can be sold the lie of equality. I hear feminists say the Radfems aren’t real feminists and that really they just want equality. That’s like saying the Pope and the Cardinals aren’t real Catholics. The Radfems are the vanguard, and intellectual soul of the entire movement. The gender equity feminists are just naive useful idiots. Feminism was never about equality, it was about power and to some degree revenge. Equality is just the sugary candy coating to get women excited about it, and distract men from the real purpose.
And that is why the ‘sphere is so important. Just telling the truth is a rebellious, and seditious act. The more men that are unplugged the more difficult the Cathedral’s facade of righteousness, is to maintain.
We are as evangelists taking the word to the heathen. It took 300 years for the Christians to take over Rome and they did it just by talking.
November 9th, 2014 at 9:57 pm
When the BP’ers google “why won’t my wife fuck me anymore” the manosphere is there both with the answers to that question and with an action plan that will turn things around on terms that jive with his long time view of the world, not hers’.
November 9th, 2014 at 10:35 pm
The problem is the MRM doesn’t actually oppose feminism; the only thing in direct opposition to feminism is old school Patriarchy otherwise its one version of modern liberalism disagreeing slightly with another version
November 9th, 2014 at 11:21 pm
Good point Badpainter. I definitely wouldn’t rely on the MRM but I do “support” any act that even tries to poke the eyes of feminists and the govt thugs that empower them.By that same logic I don’t have much sympathy for white knights and wouldn’t lift a finger to help them either.
November 9th, 2014 at 11:39 pm
Hobbes – “I do ‘support’ any act that even tries to poke the eyes of feminists and the govt thugs that empower them.”
Then #gamergate is where the real action is. Those guys are currently IMO the wave of the future for how fight the culture wars. All Alinsky rules all the time, fight dirty, fight to win, no mercy. If the SJWs aren’t crying, and crying foul you’re not doing it right.
Much the same the PUAs and their fuck-everything-scorched-SMP brand of aggressive hedonism is another viable option to push back. Coupled with MGTOWs playing Pied Piper to the Betas and the FI has much tougher time meeting the individual needs of the herd when the men good, bad, or nice stop playing to the old script.
November 10th, 2014 at 8:37 am
SELF-RESPECT is the theme here. It keeps coming up again and again. Listen up and take a major note of this because it matters more than anything else in your life — because it’s the *foundation* for everything you do.
Girls will perceive you as PATHETIC if they perceive your behavior to be pathetic, REGARDLESS of your reasons for acting that way. There is no justification that will impede their biologically controlled perception of men.
Between being physically and emotionally abused and neglected, molested, bullied, psychotic episodes, institutionalized, years of self-mutilation, never having acknowledgement for ANY of this and struggling with serious suicidal thoughts, depression and severe mood swings for about as far back as I can remember…I’ve endured more than most men (or anyone else for that matter) I’ve ever met in my life could even DREAM of enduring.
Pile the lack of sex on top of that? Not even having anyone to touch? Not even a shred of physical comfort to provide relief for me for even an HOUR through the YEARS of nightmare proportion hell I’ve lived through? Also add on top of THAT I was circumcised very tightly, my entire frenulum was completely cut out, and even if I do have sex my ability to enjoy it and physically experience can never as pleasurable as it was intended biologically to be? And to have no one even care about or recognize that?
SELF-RESPECT happens when you have a life like mine, but you refuse to compromise your standards as a result of your desire for other people in your life.
We want friends. We want sex. We want to have thriving social lives and thriving sex lives on OUR TERMS. That is what we really want. Each and every one of us.
Being pathetic is robbing YOURSELF. Cheating YOU. Compromising yourself to settle for table scraps.
You can look at it one of two ways:
1) You’ve gone deprived for so long and are so desperate, you should take anything you can get, and lower yourself to the lowest position you have to in order to get whatever table scraps you can. Beg and whine like a dog. You will do anything you have to do just to even get the bare minimum someone has to offer you. You will trade your dignity and self respect even for the GLIMMER OF HOPE that you will get at least SOME of your needs met. Even a TINY bit. That girl that won’t fuck you, but might sit next to you on the couch once every few months and barely have her shoulder up against yours? Take it. You’re so deprived, just settle for whatever you can get, even if it’s not remotely close to what you want.
2) You’ve gone deprived for so long, you deserve the best. The best of the best. After everything you’ve been through, do you even need to give the time of day to a girl who isn’t putting out? Do you need to put up with playing “friends” in the hope of getting some pussy that will never be as good as you want even if you’re one of the 1% of guys who do get it in that situation? Do you think you should have to put up with shit from other people who in their WORST NIGHTMARES have never experienced the horrors that you have?
I was fantasizing about putting a gun in my mouth and pulling the trigger all last night and all this morning. These kinds of thoughts I’ve been having for over 13 years have slowly been fading, and have been lasting much shorter periods of time, the more I meditate on things like this.
i.e., the more self-respect I develop. No girl could fuck you hard enough to give you self respect. Nobody can give you a job promotion, you can never make enough money, you can never do ANYTHING to get self respect other than to RESPECT YOURSELF.
Guys like me are the guys who have it the hardest. Ignored, neglected, and then stuck in whirlpool of negative emotions, because we, unlike most other people, don’t even have a SHRED of sex or touch or intimacy to relieve any of the frustration AT ALL. For YEARS ON END.
You can choose to see yourself as pathetic and worthless for having been so left behind and left out.
“He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god.”
Or you can choose to see yourself as a god, and treat yourself accordingly.
It’s up to you. I’m all for game and pursuing sex and all that, but the reality here is there are plenty of guys like me who are stuck, and while looking back on the past 15 or 20 or however many years of complete sexual deprivation, might have to take some more years of hard work before our lives turn around.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: men don’t need sex. They need great sex. If you believe that you have to settle for less than anything that will truly satisfy you, you’re digging your own grave.
If you believe that all you deserve is to be cuckolded, or that all you deserve is a washed-up carousel rider, that’s what you’ll get. And even if you don’t get that specifically, you get to spend the rest of your life in essentially the same way: whacking off and feeling sexually frustrated and unsatisfied, hating yourself and wishing your life was better.
There’s no such thing as settling for something outside of yourself. When you’ve ‘settled’ for something in the external world, it’s just a sign that you’ve already settled for something within yourself. We operate on our inner beliefs about what we deserve.
If you respect yourself, you will never have to deal with disrespectful women, because you won’t tolerate having them in your life. The only two possible outcomes are they leave your life and make room for someone better, or change their behavior to fit your demands.
Self respect is the foundation for everything. Without that, you have nothing, and will continue to get nothing out of life.
Mark 4:25:
“Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them.”
November 10th, 2014 at 10:50 am
The advancement of the female imperative, which impels a woman to look for a better man regardless of the quality of man she has, is all about limiting men’s sexual options. The more a man is preferred by women obviously the more sexual options he has, which makes it all the more unlikely he will bother choosing one particular woman. Thus the FI is clearly antagonistic to the male imperative, and thus equalism, or any concession to the male imperative much less a balance, cannot be a goal of the FI.
Hence if women were to believably propose any social solutions with believably egalitarian motives, then women already have to start negotiations from a position of at least partial surrender to the MI. I won’t hold my breath.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:29 am
jf12
Hypergamy is the means by which the FI manifests itself most directly, and male violence is the means by which the male imperative (to have as many women as possible) manifests itself most directly.
Men seek to control their surroundings or immediate enviroment directly via manipulation of tools, while women seek to control their environment indirectly, via manipulation of other people (women and men). It’s baked in the cake in evo-psych terms due to sexual dimorphism.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:33 am
And in fact anyone who can stomach reading HU$ as Rollo did for the OP can see this in action. The various femmes hitting the wall or about to do so are busily trying to manipulate Stephan into serving one of their own.
IMO this is why women react as they do to the notion of MGTOW. Taking a potential mate out of the pool puts all of them at risk.
November 10th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Men, in general, have lost. Full stop. There is no hope for the gender turning things around. It is over. The FI is victorious and society will reap what the feminists and their blue pill allies have sown.
For the individual male, however, it’s still survival of the fittest. One can still groom the physical, collect the wealth / power, sharpen up the game, and apply dread to sarge the HB’s ranked 1-2 one’s inferior. If a two-paper bagged 1-2 inferior is still repulsive, there’s only MGTOW with masturbation / escorts and / or libido-suppressing anti-depressants in one’s future. RP is not a cure, it is only a path to salvation that will work for some but unfortunately not all men.
November 10th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
@AR re: “women seek to control their environment indirectly, via manipulation of other people”
Victoria Plumb, which makes its money by convincing women that they need to replace perfectly good bathroom fixtures, last week promoted a study that men refuse to properly obey women in doing their bathroom-cleaning bidding. Evidently the company thinks this will make women feel neglected, thereby prompting them to want to buy stuff.
The point being, women are manipulable too. Maybe the awareness of how one is being being manipulated is only half of the red pill, and the other half would then be knowing how to manipulate others?
November 10th, 2014 at 12:38 pm
“Maybe the awareness of how one is being manipulated is only half of the red pill, and the other half would then be knowing how to manipulate others?”
The other half is “game” and you are correct it is about how to behave with women so you get what you want. You can call it manipulation or you can call it survival. It is what it is.
November 10th, 2014 at 12:46 pm
According to Scott et al., the reason that women prefer more masculine faces is because those men look more aggressively antisocial.
Scott I, et al. 2014. Human preferences for sexually dimorphic faces may be evolutionarily novel. PNAS, 11(40), 14388–14393 .
Only women from highly developed societies who have been exposed to a great deal of men in their lives exhibit this effect. All other women, e.g. rural women, e.g. primitive women, prefer nicer-looking men.
November 10th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
Hey thanks for the reply Rollo, Hobbes, Bad Painter and others for the responses I am beginning to understand the principles of game better but like everything its going to be a on going process to really internalize the principles and be able to effectively apply them to my life.
November 10th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
Perhaps it is the behavioral sink caused by women’s excessive social interactions with strange men that is leading to the observed social disintegration. The paradox of choice causes hypergamy, in the red pill sense, to be frustrated and the females go insane.
One solution would be burkhas and house arrest.
November 10th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
jf12 – “Rural women, primitive women get to see men actually work at physical labor where that labor is obviously of direct benefit too them.”
In the concrete jungle physical appearance is a proxy for what would otherwise be visible behavior. The “nicer-looking” man processing 29P/Q forms in Information Retrieval isn’t obviously capable of anything physically demanding (from violence to a good shagging) no matter how well formatted the cover sheets on his TPS reports are.
November 10th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
jf12 – “One solution would be burkhas and house arrest.”
And yet honor killings and stonings are still necessary to maintain the collective dread.
November 10th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
I was at my most Alpha when I concerned myself with fulfilling myself, not her needs.
This knowledge lead her to be more submissive with me.
I still made it out to sound like I was the bad guy though, so she could have an illusive vision of me actually being the good-guy.
Impossible. My taking advantage of her, made my frame stronger and reaffirms herself in your absence.
November 10th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
@David:
http://therationalmale.com/2013/01/17/mister-softee/
November 10th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
@ jf12
“Maybe the awareness of how one is being being manipulated is only half of the red pill, and the other half would then be knowing how to manipulate others?”
Not only knowing how, but not feeling guilty for it.
Women are absolved of any and all responsibility for spinning plates. It’s completely justified and endorsed by feminism. Have all their beta orbiters that they knew from the start would never see them naked, lead them on to get favors and emotional support from them, while they fuck the alpha guys and complain about them never sticking around. And then complain about how the beta orbiters want to have sex with them — ewww, gross. Sure, I flirted with them and teased them and made them think they had a chance with me, but to think they actually THOUGHT they could have actual sex with me, for real….ewwwwww.
Men are shamed for spinning plates. They’re “players.” Immature kidults who won’t “man up.” Even though they’re doing the same thing: pursuing their sexual imperative.
The double standard is that simple. So why should we as men feel guilty for spinning plates and not committing to any girls, when that’s in our best interest? We feel guilty because we’re conditioned to believe that the feminine imperative is the best imperative — that it’s SUPERIOR.
That’s the opposite of equality. It’s so stupidly simple to see past the lies once you know what’s going on. But feminism (like liberalism) dresses everything up in such pretty words, it speaks to what people want to hear — if I was in Stephan’s position, I’d WANT to believe I’d suddenly become more alpha, more attractive, and that these women, because of my own improvements, really wanted my dick, and I could finally pick that lusty angelic housewife I’ve wanted for so long.
That is really the height of maliciousness: dressing up lies in pretty clothes. Pissing on people’s heads and telling them it’s raining.
It’s all very, very subtle, and I doubt anyone who hasn’t been reading RM or any similar stuff (if there is much similar stuff out there — I think this site is unique)….would ever catch on to it.
Even I was reading some stuff at HUS (I just figured out what that site is yesterday…now I know), and if it weren’t for the knowledge I’ve gained here, I’d think “Well yeah, that makes perfect sense.”
Lies, lies, lies. Dressed up in pretty clothes. Tell the people what they really want to hear, appeal to their fantasies, appeal to their hopes — and that’s where you snag them.
Take a guy who’s been single and lonely his whole life and then try to convince him that he can really have his dream of a perfect, loving, healthy, sexually exciting monogamous relationship until the day he dies.
That’s sick. To lie to someone like that. Anyone would WANT to believe that’s true, and that’s exactly why beta guys with the wool pooled over their eyes soak stuff like HUS up like a sponge.
Pissing on their heads and telling them it’s raining. That’s exactly what’s happening. Behind the scenes, in reality, they’re advocating the superiority of the feminine imperative over the male imperative. Plain and simple. That’s all it is. And the men are so desperate, lonely and deprived that they don’t even realize they’re being lied to, because they’re looking for any shred of hope they can reach out to and grab a hold of.
Now that’s sick. As a still recovering beta blue pill believer, my first thought is “How dare you.” To try to deceive me and lie to me like that like I’m some kind of dumb animal.
You have to know when people are giving you the shaft. It’s hard to do that when they don’t seem mean, and they appear as though they’ve got your best interests in mind. You have to read between the lines.
November 10th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
There were some interesting comments above in regard to the beta state of the male:
@bango tango
“The Beta is the natural state of all men when they actually like a woman, you can’t help yourself ”
@George:
“Your “state” is really an unnatural psychosis resulting from extreme frustration and yearning for sexual intimacy caused by deprivation. The biological drive is very strong and unrelenting. When stifled and distorted by lies and culturally imposed imperatives this drive will manifest itself in less than desirable way as we are experiencing.”
I disagree with both points. I consider the “Beta” effect as a very recent effect that arises from the “unnatural” state of equality. Social equality between men an women that is codified into actionable law is new, and is not the adaptive state of “beta” throughout history.
What we consider “Alpha” was far more evident in a majority of the population on the planet in the past. Cultural and social mores, traditions, and laws created and maintained inequality among the sexes. The natural state of men at this point began with his alphaness over the female as the default “floor” in male/female relations. Tradition and custom policed the hypergamic impulses of women, keeping it to a level compatible with civilization. Beta provisioning traits in men were emphasized and appreciated because the role of leader and master (hint: it’s the man) was a given in the exchange.
Roll forward to Suffrage: Demolish the entire structure that assumed that men were superior, and reduce men to an “equal” footing with women, and remove all constraints on hypergamy. This demonstrates why most men must “learn” redpill thought; Betas in the pre-suffrage era never had to think about alphaness. It was always assumed to be present in some degree because they were men.
Alphaness due to being a man is no longer assumed, and is why it now has to be learned for the majority of men.
Inequality may be a necessary part of humanity, the maintenance of civilization, and human intersexual relations.
November 10th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
Bluntobj – “Inequality may be a necessary part of humanity, the maintenance of civilization, and human intersexual relations.”
An astute observation.
Equality was only possible when civilization had seemingly erased the connection between physical labor and survival. By producing food in excess of consumption the demand for physical labor declined thus redefining work from a necessary survival activity to a part of the pursuit of thoughtless materialism.
November 10th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
Update. The Shattuck divorce was finalized a week ago already. Everything was sealed.
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/shattucks-divorce-case-quickly-resolved-sealed/29607592
November 10th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
“The natural state of men at this point began with his alphaness over the female as the default “floor” . . .”
November 10th, 2014 at 4:55 pm
@Softek, re: “That’s sick. To lie to someone like that.”
Yes it is. Keep in mind that the original post takes it another step further.
I definitely believe that there is deliberate malice in the feminist program geared to empowering the sexual options of women through keeping the majority of men of men sexually thirsty and optionless. It is too vastly organized and too systemic to be simply ignorance.
November 10th, 2014 at 5:18 pm
Elspeth is trying to express a difficult truth on her blog. I think that that truth is really, although presumably no woman would dare to agree with me, that one of the big expectations that a woman has is that her man will be able to insist upon her fulfilling *his* expectations. But modern feminist society is set up specifically to take away his power and ability to insist. Indeed, it is practically against the law for any man to *have* any expectations, much less insist on them.
Hence a woman’s expectation, i.e. that her man has power, is frustrated. This problem cannot be solved by men, at all. It is entirely up to women to surrender.
November 10th, 2014 at 5:24 pm
@ jf12
I agree. “Gaslighting” comes to mind. Men who are kept sexually thirsty and optionless are told that it’s their fault, that they feel like they’re “entitled” to sex, they’re perpetuating “rape culture,” they have a bad attitude, they’re misogynists, etc…that the problem is just with them and to stop blaming people outside of themselves.
…and to keep continuing the beta, white knighting, etc. behaviors that are perpetuating their torment. And the whole time guys like I was before finding No More Mr. Nice Guy and RM, will keep beating themselves up and wondering why they can’t get laid, why they can’t get a girlfriend, why their relationships keep falling apart, etc.
One of my old friends blamed himself for his bad relationship with his BPD girlfriend. He kept talking about how relationships require work and how he should’ve tried harder, things should’ve been more equal, in an ideal relationship it’s all equal give and take, etc. She actually told him one time to “wear the pants in the relationship.” It didn’t get through to him. She lined up another guy behind his back and dumped him and got with the other guy, leaving my friend in a complete stupor. He said he just dropped the phone when she told him she was leaving him for someone else. It was his first and only gf and they dated seriously for 3 years, like she was living at his house and everything.
Still wonders what he did wrong. I tried helping him out and I think I got through a little to him but he’s still brainwashed into the relational equity belief, and there’s nothing I can do to shake that out of him. He still believes in feminism and believes it truly promotes the idea of healthy, equal relationships between men and women.
It pisses me off. And again, I agree — it’s too organized and systemic to be simply ignorance. Women are red pill aware by nature: they spin plates, they have beta orbiters, they know who they’re going to fuck and who they’re not going to fuck, and flirt and tease just the same.
More pissing on our heads and telling us it’s raining. At least I grew up with a strong father figure. I never saw my dad take any shit from my mom in my entire life. He made it very clear that he was the king of the household and if she ever complained about anything he’d remind her that the door was right there. I was also raised very conservative (no surprise there) and I think that also spared me a lot of brainwashing. He was basically a completely absent parent though so I never really learned anything from him directly, but being exposed to his behaviors around my mom has been an eye opener now that I’ve found this blog.
November 10th, 2014 at 5:32 pm
@ jf12
I was thinking of your ‘big baby’ comment. I remember growing up I would always criticize my dad for being ‘lazy’ and making my mom do EVERYTHING for him while he laid on the couch. He would come home from work and that was it. Drink and on the couch. He would not even get up to get the remote control – he would yell for my mom.
And he would complain if she took too long or didn’t hear him the first time. Same with making him dinner and bringing him his dessert. I mentioned it before, but one time he made her come down the stairs for no reason, and as I could hear her coming, he whispered to me after laughing, “See? Look how well trained I have her!”
They’ve been together over 35 years with not even a hint of cheating or divorce. I couldn’t even imagine my mom doing anything with any other guys. She quit her job to take care of me and my sister at home while my dad worked, and she’s always done everything around the house: cooking first and foremost, laundry and ironing, cleaning, vacuuming etc. every room in the house, everything.
My dad built all of our bathrooms, did all the plumbing and wiring in our house, and also completely maintains all of the cars. He also knows masonry and built all the stone walls in our yard and remodels everything in the house as he pleases. Never saw him not working on something a day in my entire life. It was always stuff he wanted to do – leisure time for him.
I also never saw him take shit from ANYONE. I showed him the No More Mr. Nice Guy book and he was AMAZED that there were men in the world that would put up with shit from women. AMAZED. I think he asked me if the book was real or if it was a fictional story, like some dystopian future or something. He was like “This isn’t true, is it?”
November 10th, 2014 at 7:10 pm
jf12 – “But modern feminist society is set up specifically to take away his power and ability to insist. Indeed, it is practically against the law for any man to *have* any expectations, much less insist on them.”
It’s perfect form of mate poaching. The state having usurped the provider role and also through it’s monopoly of violence is the invisible hybrid Alpha/white knight that tempts women to fulfill the worst of their hypergamous desires. At the same time the state acts to enforce on all men the obligation to provide resources to all women. Yay Marxism!
Unlike the cad who makes a move on your woman, there is zero recourse against the state. Thus the common man is unable to stand up for himself, and defend his dignity in any practical way. This creates a situation where women are hyper-empowered and the only working option for men is to go PUA or go secular monk MGTOW. In other words the only option is to treat women as every bit as replaceable and disposable as the state treats men.
November 10th, 2014 at 7:15 pm
Softer – “He was basically a completely absent parent though so I never really learned anything from him directly, but being exposed to his behaviors around my mom has been an eye opener now that I’ve found this blog.”
You’ve just described my father. Not worth a shit when it came to preparing us (my brother and I) for the world. Mom on the other hand did yeoman work programming the perfect Betas.
November 10th, 2014 at 7:16 pm
@kfg
I do miss Andy Capp.
Yet it does prove the point I was making in that equality is a very recent phenomenon.
November 10th, 2014 at 8:08 pm
There is no equality. There has never been equality. There will never be equality. For the very simple reason that men and women are not equal.
The egalitarian ideal is, in practical terms, only a bit more than 200 years old though, which, for those of us with a longer view of things than last Tuesday, is indeed quite recent.
However, even 200 years ago the woman standing by the door with a rolling pin at high ready was already a very old stereotype, as was her cowed and beaten husband.
As there has never been equality, so too has there never been a time when all, or even most, men were alphas. Not even when patriarchial laws favored that state.
That is, in fact, why such laws existed.
November 10th, 2014 at 9:00 pm
Speaking of laws:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/11/obama-internet-utility-fcc-regulation-net-neutrality/382561/
If the Internet is to be regulated like a utility I would imagine the public entitlement aspect of that will invite a great deal of demand to police the Internet for both tone and content in the name of the Public Good. That would of course be bad for the ‘sphere.
November 11th, 2014 at 6:34 am
“I do miss Andy Capp.”
A vanished era. IDS would have him in front of ATOS and working for nowt on a Mandatory Work Assignment, stacking shelves for the likes of Tesco, within a month. And he’d have to get that everpresent tab out of his gob doublequick. Not that he could afford them, unless out of the back of a pikeys’ Transit.
Now accurately supplanted by “The Fat Slags”.
Blurks are just an interchangeable accessory, to buy their drinks, and a poke of chips in return for a bendover kneetrembler.
November 11th, 2014 at 9:25 am
‘I don’t know whether the feminine imperative is starting to succeed at breeding willing Beta cuckold-men who are seemingly “getting aroused” by their girlfriends sport-fucking the various Alphas.
This is the norm now. As the female imperative grows stronger so does the R selection environment. Men have no choice but to adapt just to stay in the breeding game. Being aroused by his girlfriend getting screwed by other guys seems to be an outgrowth of that environment. An evolutionary adaptation on the extreme end of the spectrum. It really indicates the pair bonding relationship is severely damaged.’
Interesting. This accounts for the recent rise of cuckold porn.
November 11th, 2014 at 10:20 am
Hopeless romantics…
ill just leave this sad story here.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/parents-take-note-heres-what-alex-from-target-can-102286156569.html
you know.. what drives a man to do something that stupid. poor parents? confused upbringing? too much disney? being a bronie?
I mean yes, back when i was neck deep in the feminine programming shit.. i had my ‘the one’ ‘soulmate’ kind of bullshit running through my head.
but this?
this is a man built to be walked on by women. and they accept the open hypergamy completely because they’ve given up being able to attain love by any other means other than buying it or grovelling for it. the system broke them.
November 11th, 2014 at 10:27 am
you can have equality or civilization. Pick one
November 11th, 2014 at 11:12 am
Softek:
read this:
http://whoism3.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/confessions-of-a-reformed-incel/
November 11th, 2014 at 11:22 am
I’ll take a bit of exception. You can have equality or humanity, pick one. Hell, even the social insects which the ‘equalists’ love so much as a model only have ‘equality’ within rigid, heirarchical castes.
I note that there are those who are perfectly aware of this and have chosen to throw humanity under the bus. The extreme extremists actually have in mind throwing all life under the bus.
Think about that, within their own social structure, the transhumanists are the moderates.
November 11th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
re: malice.
Maybe one reason a woman would prefer to believe that the beta is deceived is that then she can pretend to herself that he is just pretending to be beta, and so she can pretend he will soon surprise her by revealing himself to be an alpha, taking vengeance upon her for her wicked ways, spanking her etc.
But if she knows he is meekly going along resigned to his fate, then she cannot so pretend: she knows he will never be a threat to her.
Advice: approach each shit test as if she is trying to measure the quantity of threat you actually pose to her.
November 11th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
“prefer to believe that the beta is deceived is that then she can pretend to herself that he is just pretending to be beta”
Running a successful con in this case might require her to con herself into believing that. Sort of as a self inflicted dread that the beta will realize her true value and dump her just like the Alphas before. Perhaps her contempt for her beta is a projection of her contempt for herself at being of such low value she couldn’t snare an Alpha’s commitment, and she had to con it out of a beta. The forlorn hope of the beta being a secret alpha is chasing a rainbow of unfulfilled redemption.
Which would suggest the new open unrestricted hypergamy is actually an effort at honesty. Really it’s saying to the betas ” your not worth the lies, now give me stuff.”
November 11th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
re: “‘The forlorn hope of the beta being a secret alpha is chasing a rainbow of unfulfilled redemption.”
The secret unicorn, disguised as a common sheep.
I’m actually liking this theory. It goes very well with usual story, i.e. all women believing that an alpha is secretly beta down deep where it’s hard to tell. “He really loves me, he’s really yearning to settle down with me. His ignoring me and having other girlfriends is just camouflage for his real emotions. I can tell, because I’m a girl, and girls can just tell.”
November 11th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
@badpainter:
“Which would suggest the new open unrestricted hypergamy is actually an effort at honesty. Really it’s saying to the betas ” your not worth the lies, now give me stuff.”
+1 for badpainter. This is key. For as much as many of us hate open hypergamy for what it is, we can’t deny that it is an effort at honesty when you look at it objectively. But the issue here is it relies on rubbing the majority of males (80%) the wrong way, so it has to be dealt with for the sake of civilization. Women having their own way in the mating game has caused the downfall of many civilizations.
November 11th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
“Which would suggest the new open unrestricted hypergamy is actually an effort at honesty.”
If women are being honest about this (and I’m not sure they are, just yet), it is only because they can be.
Women now are in the driver’s seat. Women, and feminism, now have total power: politically, culturally, socially, economically, and morally. There’s not a damn thing any man can do about this, for at least a generation and probably longer. They have their own money, their own support systems and their own power bases. They have an entire governmental and cultural system set up to maximize whatever they want. They can work, talk, act, and fuck like men, all while not having to be responsible for any of it – all the benefits, none of the obligations.
November 11th, 2014 at 4:36 pm
Resistance is futile,
(1) Spin plates to the extent your looks, wealth/position, and game allow. Be polite/generous to the genuinely infirm, but as callous to others as they are to you. When a plate’s commitment ultimatums can no longer be deflected, cut the tie and move on. Be the alpha as much as you can and continually squelch the beta.
But (2) if you want children, seek out an inexperienced younger woman 1-2 rankings lower than you. From the get-go put her on notice that marriage means ongoing enthusiastic sex with each partner being of equivalent physical fitness. And negotiate a prenup that (as much as legally enforceable) favors you when, not if, she throws you over. No such unicorns available? See (1) above.
November 11th, 2014 at 5:41 pm
Deti – “They have their own money, their own support systems and their own power bases. They have an entire governmental and cultural system set up to maximize whatever they want. ”
They have those things only because men haven’t yet decided to take them away. The get their power only by virtue of the state using violence on their behalf. They appear to win because the game is rigged in their favor by external forces.
Any you said this:
“There’s not a damn thing any man can do about this…”
No, this is untrue. There much that can be done, but the to talk of such things is distasteful, seditious, and possibly criminal in a legal sense. So what can be done requires men who have a mission of greater importance than their lives. The are now just too many men who haven’t realized they have nothing to lose because in many ways they are already dead.
November 11th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
I wonder if the recent rise in cuckold porn is really an indication that the men who watch it enjoy it from the perspective of the cuckold (husband/bf/etc.) rather than the guy fucking his woman. Certainly there are some unfortunate men who might get off on being the cuckold (similar to femdom and the like), but I imagine that most men just like the excitement/taboo of fucking another guys wife. Maybe what the cuckold porn directors have caught onto is the fact that having the ‘husband’ present in the shooting makes it more obvious what’s going on, thus adding to the excitement (compared to simple roleplay w/o the husband, which might lack in believability given the poor acting in pornos, lol).
Perhaps what we’re seeing here is just that women get off on shoving it in the poor beta cuckold’s face, while men simply enjoy some strange/taboo pussy. Anyway, just musing.
As far as actual cuckolding goes, I agree that the betas who have it pushed on them do so because they have no other options and are afraid of losing their source of pussy (what little they get), as well as being raised to put the feminine first in all things. If his girl needs to fuck other guys on the side to keep her happy, then he has to let her or else he’s a misogynist/not respectful of her needs/selfish/etc. etc.
November 11th, 2014 at 6:23 pm
Half the population is even stupider than they would be if not infected.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/virus-that-makes-humans-more-stupid-discovered-9849920.html
No word yet as to amplification of effects of other infections such as toxoplasmosis.
November 11th, 2014 at 6:41 pm
re: anti-equality facts. Basically when it comes to libido, romance, orgasm, etc. women are “just like men”, except a whole lot less.
1) Sexual response is properly called vestigial in women. The clitoris is a vestigial penis, nothing more, with an order of magnitude less volume including internally. Yes, the “internal penis” is a lot bigger than the “internal clitoris”.
2) Women want sex “just as much as men”, except an order of magnitude less often. When left strictly to their own devices, so to speak, single women average an order of magnitude fewer orgasms than single men.
3) Women who like porn watch exactly the same porn as men who like porn, and as much.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/billion-wicked-thoughts/201401/what-kind-porn-do-women-the-most
Except there’s an order of magnitude fewer such women who like porn. Almost no women bother watching “female friendly” porn, which is apparently made for people who don’t like porn.
4) Women’s orgasms are objectively much smaller than men’s. The abdominal floor muscles in men are literaly twice as thick as in women, and much much stronger on average. It’s the same reason that a 20″ bicep is much much stronger than a 10″ bicep.
November 11th, 2014 at 7:33 pm
@ thedeti
I’ve read that. Could’ve written it myself, although I think my version would be a lot darker. I’d consider my dry spell to be longer than that guy’s, figuring he had an ex-wife, and I was 4 years older than him when I had my first sexual experience — a blowjob — and it was another year before I had *5 DAYS* of fooling around, no intercourse, not even full days because I had to go to work and could only see her when I got home, and had to drive to see her in the hotel. That’s that, then another 4 years and six months or so before fingerbanging a single mom, someone pounded and yelled on the door to my room and kept saying they needed to talk to me, wouldn’t leave when I told them to, just kept at it, she gets up just as I was about to put the condom on and fuck her, freaks, puts all her clothes back on, I walk her out to her car, never see her again.
Flash forward and here I am, no experiences since then. I’m still a virgin. I’ve gotten into it before so I won’t now, but my life has been a nightmare between all the mental illness as a result of physical, verbal, sexual abuse, and all the isolation on top of it. I could write a book on this stuff and maybe I will someday, if I ever have a success story to follow it. If I don’t I wouldn’t want to write anything, and even if I did, recounting all the shit I’ve been through takes a lot out of me.
Anyway, that’s all in the past. It’s a movie. I’ve been suicidal, been in the E.R., mental hospitals, more times than I care to remember. Literally thousands of nights spent in complete torment for nothing other than loneliness and craving for physical touch and intimacy.
No more. I’m not playing that movie in my head anymore. I’m still alone and I’m still as ‘deprived’ as I ever was, but my mentality is making a major shift. Light years ahead. I notice my mind feeling sharper and clearer and my body feeling stronger these days the more I focus on what I want and what I need.
Starting with myself. Take care of my body, buy myself nice clothes and nice shoes, and take care of those clothes and shoes. I have some pretty pimp jewelry too that I’m very proud of. The pieces all have specific meanings to me and they’re statements about myself that I like feeling like I’m showing off to the world — not in a prick way, just in an assertive way. I’m starting to love who I am and respect myself for who I am, and am starting to have more fun than ever, even though I’m in the same place I’ve been where all the horrible shit happened.
One “alpha” trait beta guys need to take major note of is: don’t look back. Accepting your past for what it is without shame. If you can’t make peace with what’s inside your mind you can’t move forward without being burdened.
I don’t know what’s on the way for me as far as girls go, but I have a feeling that it’s much better than anything I’ve experienced before. My attitude and mentality have shifted and I can sense it inside of myself: my mood is better and more stable, I’m sleeping better, less irritable, more focused and in general, laid back.
People are responding to it and I’m starting to seem like I’m making more friends. People seem to like me more. I’m just letting it unfold. But the key to the whole thing is focusing on myself and what I want, and not holding myself responsible for anyone else other than me.
November 11th, 2014 at 8:41 pm
In light of open hypergamy now becoming the defining element of the FI’s approved script for women I wonder if the hysteria about “rape culture” is sort of meta-gut-feeling on the part of the herd that perhaps they’ve gone too far and fear the time to pay the piper is drawing near.
If one considers that the trend line to fully transparent open hypergamy/AFBB tracks right along side of the “war on women”, campus “rape” hysteria, “street harassment”, and yes-means-yes type laws/regulations one can plainly see the effort to pre-emptively defend the FI from a male social reaction. Those defensive policies and fear mongering propaganda are entirely designed to keep the betas in line in a world where the truth of the “Second Set of Books” is no longer concealed and only half heatedly denied.
If the betas are so weak as to go along with the FI’s goal why then are these repressive laws and social controls necessary? I suspect it’s because the FI knows that this is unsustainable long term, and further knows that ultimately the betas will either quit altogether, or at some point actively resist when it becomes obvious to them that they won’t be allowed to just quit and live peacefully. The FI needs betas but would rather take what it needs by enslavement and force than reach a mutually beneficial accommodation.
November 11th, 2014 at 9:30 pm
Hypergamy doesn’t care about mutually beneficial accommodation.
November 11th, 2014 at 9:43 pm
“Hypergamy doesn’t care about mutually beneficial accommodation.”
Indeed, maybe it will care about a genuine rape culture.
November 11th, 2014 at 10:37 pm
Genuine rape culture happens during total war culture; hypergamy goes into overdrive.
November 12th, 2014 at 6:45 am
One more note:
I got defensive @ thedeti’s post. There is a reason for this and beta men need to take note:
What is your attachment to being beta? What is the deal with your identifying with it? What are you *getting out of* maintaining your identity with being beta?
The paradox here is all the stuff Rollo’s writing about is true, and rage/denial are natural phases to go through — but identifying with blue pill reality has “benefits” to it as far as our subconscious mind goes.
My theory, based on my own experience, is that having been an isolated, lonely beta, etc….is a *QUALIFICATION* for intimacy.
Deep down a part of me thinks there’s a benefit to having suffered so much, and I hold onto that suffering, because I think I can use that suffering as a *QUALIFICATION* for intimacy —
— intimacy in the form of acceptance, sympathy, girls wanting to have sex with me out of concern for what I’ve been through —
— of course, this is ridiculous. But I think this is a major driver. It’s a subconscious remnant of having been conditioned into the FI.
Look at all the romantic movies where that happens. The loser guy finally gets the girl. IRL it doesn’t work like that.
If you want to be alpha you have to let go of the beta — Rollo says “kill the beta.”
I really think expanding on that theory is necessary. I’ve been studying a technique based on NLP and have used hypnosis to successfully get rid of people’s migraines and even some emotional traumas. It’s amazing stuff.
Anyway, it deals with *inner belief systems*. Killing the beta is the goal, but…no clear instructions on how to do that.
You do it by changing your belief systems. And a big part of that is letting go of what’s keeping you identifying with being a beta. Deep down you still think there is some benefit to being beta. It’s protecting you.
It could be because the FI has conditioned you into believing that women care what you’ve been through, and your suffering qualifies you for respect and intimacy. In reality it’s the opposite. You have to play your cards right and be careful about what you reveal.
I just woke up but this hit me like a train this morning. Hopefully this makes sense to you guys and you can get what I’m saying. I can’t emphasize how important this is: it’s actually central to transforming yourself and changing your behaviors.
I was only able to ignore my ONE-itis/LJBF and other girls and start focusing on myself once I understood this on a visceral level. When I realized that there is NO BENEFIT to being beta. That the programs in my mind are both outdated and COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to my well-being.
FI conditioned me to believe being beta was in my best interest. It’s in women’s best interest and women’s best interest alone. Once you realize this on a *visceral* level, the behaviors can change.
Intellectually understanding RM will not help you on its own. You have to integrate it on a deep, limbic level. The anger, jealousy, resentment, etc., are symptoms that the beta programming is still alive and kicking inside of you.
Memories buried alive never die. Bring the programming to your conscious mind by asking yourself what benefit you’re getting out of being beta — and then make peace with it and let it go, so you can make room for alpha behavior. Be a better version of yourself.
I’ve been having some breakthroughs lately. A lot of thanks to this blog — but reading this blog combined with the emotional work I’ve been doing on myself with NLP (a form of it, anyway) has made the real changes.
Of course if RM didn’t exist I wouldn’t have had my eyes opened to reality and I’d still be trying to get my blue pill fantasy. I’d be trying to heal my emotional issues while still believing in the blue pill conditioning…and maybe then I would’ve been completely hopeless. This blog has been pivotal for changing my life for the better.
November 12th, 2014 at 11:34 am
Registering multiple accounts/emails using same IP is n00b. I remember making that mistake on Usenet.
I was 13 or 14. My guess is said “Prnciness” is at least 40 years old.
November 12th, 2014 at 5:18 pm
If Stephen actually changed and became more masculine with age, because he is of the late bloomer type, then he should be able to successfully pull pre-Epiphany women. If he can’t do this, then we have our answer: pre-Wall women are lying to you.
Late blooming is a possibility. Some guys just get things like facial hair, higher lean body mass, wider chest, loss of facial puffy fat and squarer chin in their late twenties. That is a good moment to start dating college chicks, but you have to go to places to find them. They are not in your age/career cohort.
There is a lot of genetic diversity in the gene pool. Just look at Hafþór Björnsson who portrayed Gregor Clegane in Game of Thrones. The guy is 25 years old, but looks not like a student, but a mature 40 yo beast. There are guys his age who get asked for their ID when they want to buy beer…
November 14th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Just as many men who are alpha to begin with dont know why, many men become more alpha with age and also dont know why. Alpha Beta is a continuum and many men move towards the Alpha end of the spectrum with age, often imperceptibly.
It does frequently happen that a pretty boy or baby face becomes a rougher manlier man with the passing of a few years. Alphaness is often simple manliness which includes basic physical attributes like skin, muscle, posture and voice, all of which can change substantially, if imperceptibly, making a large cumulative difference over a period of 10 years.
The real test is whether younger women (i.e. teens and early twenties) women who are not looking to lock down a husband are interested in him. If late 20s women are going so far as approaching him (which doesn’t happen to most Beta men even from older women), there is a good chance that he has indeed become more manly with age.
if this is the case, he should capitalise on this and make the best choices for himself. He seems to have enough awareness to be wary of womens intentions. This a good thing as it will help to refine his judgement.
His ex girlfriend that cheated on him with a professor may have done him a favour by improving his understanding of women. Sometimes bad experiences can help to mold a man and make him stronger and wiser, which can help to achieve a better life later on.
November 15th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
@ manosphere lurker
re: cuckolding
It’s not that women want to betray their genetic kin. This would be counterproductive for their own genes. If women had the capacity to do this, they would dilute their genes on purpose.
Human instincts serve survival goals. I would postulate that female emotions help to survive ordeals. It could be that all the women that resisted the invasion of other tribe males, didn’t pass on their genes.
In other words, in an environment, where you are powerless, you better like being raped or else you are dead. You better be sexy enough for the invaders to fall in love with you and want to provide for you.
Also, if as a woman you are already being taken by the invaders, that means that your tribe males have failed at protecting you and THE ONLY way of passing on the genes of your tribe is to be attractive to the invading males, so at least half of your genes survives.
In a sense sexy, submissive women aka War Brides are a way for the partial survival of the tribe, when it had already lost. Our grandmothers were attractive enough…
November 30th, 2014 at 7:48 am
Rollo. When will you release your second book?
November 30th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
January is the plan