Let’s go ahead. I find it funny that some people want to say “game doesn’t work / it is not bringing benefit”.

It is axiomatic that experience analyzed with intelligence and translated in more advanced tactics works, improving results and decreasing effort. Learn from your mistakes and train, and you will be better at driving, at tennis, at fishing, at talking in public, at making women comply etc. I think it is a self-evident truth which is at the root of progress, civilization and individual growth. Game belongs to the same discussion.

So really; as an answer to “game doesn’t work ” meant as “practicing pragmatically the art of attracting women getting their compliance doesn’t bring greater results than random behavior” – LOL should be enough.

Game isn’t science, it is art. The player is a renaissance artisan; he makes masterpieces in his way with his method and his style; we go to him to see how to make a marvelous artistic gun. If we want to build artillery, we need factories, scientists and engineers, and we must transfom the art of gunsmith in heavy industries without magic; but it is all another topic.

If we want to critisize the ones who want to teach game, I would rather find it interesting to argue other statements, such as – “Being a great player or good with women, exactly as being a rockstar or a very good singer, cannot be really taught at all; we can teach you music, very general broad principles already known since centuries; real game that works for you within your potential (and never beyond) is inextricably tailored for each individual who developed it on the field, and you can just learn it yourself by experimenting with yourself”.

In reality, I know we can learn big time if we identify our kin, our situation and our needs; a few months ago I just gave a look to 2 documents about kino-escalation online (as a student gives a look to the cheat sheet) and by doing some calibrated escalation ladder, following and leading, I managed to get the kiss (and to be kissed when I want on request) from the Russian girl 3 points above me in terms of attractiveness (and 15/17 cm taller), who was my random guest somewhere, after getting rejected in a more assertive approach earlier. So game works also in terms of theory – practice.

I want to say about myself. I am a sigma definitely. I want more r-selection, although I don’t mind k-selection if it means the main girl accepts I bring another girl with us.

I’ve got and I am getting my fair share of women, around 20 in the last 3 years; my way is more the pimp than the player, it is more making them come to me than me going to them; it works for me; I’ve usually been in 2 or 3 relations at the same time.

I managed to fuck 2 girls under 20 in the same week last month (r-selection evolution), but worked hard and failed (kiss-closed systematically though) on the hottest one of 21, which I sent to fuck off (literally) when she flaked on me the day that was meant to be. HOwever I got girls of lower value coming to me in nightclub eliciting sex while I was doing nothing else than showing off my r-selected look.

In general, I can open even with cold approach…but I don’t like it because it is a weakness for me; it is a compliment; it is begging for attention. I don’t do it in general. But of course done authoritatively it is not bad, but it still the man asking for attention and giving a compliment, whichever way we turn it. It is a pedestal and I hate it.

Anyway . Krauser is very good. Gambler is very good. Different styles and different cases, I learn from both. I wouldn’t approach like Krauser in terms of quantity. I am busy with other things. However I am interested in the ability and mastery that comes with experience in huge amount to be used in given situations of higher quality.

So in general – trust me and trust commonsense. Game works. It can work for you. But you must work too. Don’t be a loser. Develop yourself.

With regard to appearance, we can grant Siirtyrion symmetry and “masculinity” (honest signals). However, Siirtyrion remains silent on bodyfat and muscularity.

With regard to interpersonal traits, Siirtyrion states that “trying harder” or “overconfidence” indicate a “lack of fitness.” This is untrue. Several studies have demonstrated that attractiveness ratings fluctuate in tandem with group interaction. “Behavior” is an honest signal and the “handicap principle” applies to behavior as well.

Put crudely, acting like an asshole demonstrates that you can squander social capital, which indicates you can function without a group, which indicates that the group must value you.

Being overconfident indicates the same factors as confidence — you are literally elevating your station.

Indeed, all “game” boils down to is advocating “dishonest signals” by changing your behavioral phenotype.

I instigated marriage counselling, for years our relationship panned out like this. Her complaint has to be listened to and I had to apologise for actions, show remorse and try be a better husband. My complaint, would be super ceded by a super complaint and back to square one. Can’t raise my voice as that’s aggressive.

So marriage counselling for me was a chance to have a level playing field where she had to listen to my complaints. What did I get, nothing, a meagre apology for her actions and she now expects me to move on. I was pretty shocked, but I was already becoming red pill aware.

What marriage counselling did for me was to confirm the existence of solipsism.

Now I’m trying to work out how to combine redpill/game into out marriage and to some extent I wonder do I really want to. If I lose the gut, pile on the muscle, wear smart threads. Do I want to be with someone who only wants me because I now look like a spartan.

I’m newly red pill awakened, 3 months. I answer yes to all Rollo’s questions. I am/was a bitter beta provider husband, not understanding why my career minded wife never appreciated my efforts to enable her to pursue her career. Forget in terms of sex, just appreciating what her partner does for her. It’s taken me 9 months and marriage counselling for her to muster an apology (will not try that again) of the impact her actions have had on our marriage. Game has taught me what @NewYorker mentioned

‘Game provides a basic understanding of what he can expect from women.’

and I’m with @Glenn at

‘I’m now not angry about any of it anymore. ‘

I’m no longer all consumed every spare moment I have with bitterness towards her and can spend that time focusing on self improvement. She is no longer the focus of my life and if she’s lucky she’ll be a complement.