As I wrote in Controlling Interests, the secrecy previously necessary for hypergamy and women’s pluralistic sexual strategy is rapidly being replaced with not just a new, overt, social openness about it, but a flaunting, triumphalism about how men are expected to embrace this new openness about it.
These would be the boys / men who would be taught to “naturally” defer to the authority of women under the auspices of a desire to be an equal partner.
These are the men raised privately and created socially to be ready for women, “when it comes time to settle down, and find someone who wants an equal partner.”
These would be the men ready to expect and accept a woman’s proactive cuckoldry of him in the name of being a pro-feminine equal.
These are the men raised to accept an open form of hypergamy in place of the selling to an old-order Beta provisioning model.
As in this Red Robin commercial, it’s gotten to the point now that the Feminine Imperative is comfortable in ridiculing men for not already being aware of the Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks dynamic of hypergamy, as well as ridiculing them for going along with it anyway.
The expectation that men should already know this dynamic and be ready to accept it, and commit himself to it, engenders genuine shock when a man deviates from that script. As we found with the story of the Spreadsheet Guy a couple weeks ago, the anger female commenters expressed over his logging his wife’s excuses for turning him down sexually was not due to his actions, but rather what those actions represented for the greater whole of men.
Women’s indignation over this was rooted in a Beta man not already being aware of the role he was expected to play. The new order fem-groupthink presumes that any guy who follows the old order socio-sexual contract should already know he’s been cast as a dutiful, providing Beta — he follows the prepared script for the guy who responsibly proves he’s a ‘better man’ for having forgiven her sexual indiscretions with prior Alpha’s and accepting the role of being relegated to being her emotional supporter and hand-holder. And all of this after she’s had her “self-discovery” and know who “she really is.”
Genies and Bottles
This expectation of men being preconditioned to follow a feminine-primary social order is not just limited to women’s expectations. We’ve progressed to the point that blue pill men are becoming vocal advocates for this same acceptance of open hypergamy.
Under the dubious pretense of concern for the general lack of gallant, chivalry and Beta Bucks-side provisioning women are entitled to – in spite of women’s embrace of open hypergamy – these watered down ‘purple pill’ “Dating Coaches” suffer from the same shock and indignation that a woman, somewhere, might not be given her life’s due of having a dutiful Beta awaiting to fulfill the provisioning side of her sexual strategy when her SMV begins to decay in earnest.
In a feminine centric social order, even men must be strong advocates for open hypergamy, and essentially their own proactive cuckoldry. That a woman may be better prepared than most Beta men to provide for her own security is never an afterthought – their sales pitch is the same old-order lie that women will reciprocate intimately for a man’s good nature and virtuous respect for the feminine if he’ll only accept open hypergamy.
But Spreadsheet Guy went off the reservation, “how dare he keep track of his wife’s sexual frequency!” The general anger is rooted in his ‘not getting‘ the social convention that sex (for consummate Beta providers) “tapers off after marriage”, but if he would just Man Up and fall back into his supportive, pre-established role, and learn to be a better, more attentive ‘man’ for his wife, she would (logically) reciprocate with more sex.
For what it’s worth, the men women want to fuck wouldn’t keep track of sexual frequency because the dread of missing out on a sexual opportunity with a desirable Alpha is usually enough to ensure frequency. Alpha Men wouldn’t complain about sexual frequency, they simply move on to a new woman. Beta’s complain about sexual frequency because they are expected to know and accept (now via open hypergamy) that they will never get the type of sex their women had with the Alphas before them, but are led to believe they would get (and better) if they commit to a woman’s provisioning.
Nobody marries their ‘best sex ever':
According to a recent study by iVillage, less than half of wedded women married the person who was the best sex of their lives (52 percent say that was an ex.) In fact, 66 percent would rather read a book, watch a movie or take a nap than sleep with a spouse.
Amanda Chatel, a 33-year-old writer from the East Village, says, “With the men I’ve loved, the sex has been good, sometimes great, but never ‘best.’ It’s resulted in many orgasms and was fun but, comparatively speaking, it didn’t have that intensity that comes with the ‘best’ sex.
“I knew [my best sex partner] was temporary, and so the great sex was the best because the sex was the relationship,” she adds. “We didn’t have to invest in anything else.”
As you can see here, the incremental problem that advocates of the ‘Man Up and accept your duty to open hypergamy’ meme will find is that reconciling the old-order social contract they need to balance hypergamy will become increasingly more difficult as example after example like this become more evident and more commonplace.
These ‘Dating Coaches’ are hocking advice from the perspective of an old-order social contract for men, in order to reconcile the well earned, well deserved consequences women are now suffering as a result of a new-order, feminine-primary social contract that has embraced unrestrained hypergamy.
Getting the Best of Her
Another link had been making the rounds in the manosphere a few weeks ago, and at the risk of just adding my own voice to the chorus I thought I’d dissect it a bit. You can have a read of the original “advice column” here, but I think the quotes will pretty much tell the story. Emphasis my own:
Dear Carolyn:
After multiple relationships not working out because both parties were dishonest in one way or another, I decided to use a new approach to my current relationship. I am 23, met my current boyfriend (also 23) online, and decided to be COMPLETELY HONEST.
This was meant to mostly cover my feelings, as I tended to hold things in unhealthily, but I let it fold over to all aspects, including the disclosure of my sexual history. I have now learned this was a mistake.
Not to make any Beta leaning guy even more depressed, but I read this and couldn’t help but see how the Sheryl Sandberg ‘open hypergamy’ model is only going to aggravate more and more unplugged / red pill aware Betas.
Think about how disenfranchised that dutiful Beta is going to be when he is flat out told to his face by a woman, he was conditioned to believe would appreciate his unique old order appeal, that he’ll never be getting the ‘sexual best’ he believed his wife would have waiting for him in marriage. It’s one thing to read article after article detailing the triumphant aspects of a new open hypergamy, and it’s one thing to see it blatantly used in commercial advertising, but it’s quite another to experience it firsthand, viscerally, in your face.
Besides the fact that she’s had multiple “relationships” at age 23, I find it interesting that she’s recognized this ‘openness’ as a mistake. Not a mistake with regards to her own choices, but rather a mistake in feeling comfortable enough to lay bear her sexual strategy for a guy who should expects should already be “accepting of who she is.”
Compare the open hypergamy model with the guy from Saving the Best:
I am so fucking lucky. I got married to a whore, that fucks like a prude.
In feminine-primary society men are constantly and publicly demonized as the ‘manipulator’. The default is to assume men are the one’s to watch out for. Men are the sex with the most dishonest nature with the most to gain sexually by playing games to trick women into believing they’re something they’re not in order to fuck them and leave them.
This presumptions is really a generalized social convention that builds a foundation for more specific social conventions women need in order to exercise feminine-primary control with men and culture on whole. It’s actually a rudimentary convention that’s easy to accept for women since feminine hypergamy has evolved a subconscious ‘vetting’ mechanism into most women’s psyches.
While it’s giggly and entertaining for women to categorize men into Cads and Dads, the irony of their doing so is that this only highlights women’s life-long patterns of deception and the manipulation efforts necessary to effecting their own dualistic sexual strategy.
That sexual selection ‘firmware’, the one which predisposes women on a limbic level to evaluating mating options of short term breeding opportunities (Alpha Fucks) with parental investment opportunities (Beta Bucks), is the same mechanism that made women the more deceptive sex when it comes to sexual strategies. The problem now is that this hypergamous deceptiveness is being replaced with ‘complete honesty’ from a macro-societal level down to an interpersonal one.
And ironically, it will be the most stubborn of blue pill Beta men, advocating for a return to an old-order social contract destroyed by the very women they hope will respond to it, who will be the last to finally accept and respond to the new-order of open hypergamy.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:19 pm
Ha! will you be grateful when your video-game playing beta friends save your ass, flying drones from a cubicle?
The IS are brainwashing young boys to become jihadists and suicide bombers. It’s an extremely stripped-down version of exactly the dynamic I describe in the above post. I know you meant to knock it down, but you ended up supporting it.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
Dominate or be dominated. It is human nature. Yeah. “Can’t we all get along?”
No.
And of course there is the old:
You may not be interested in war but war is interested in you.
Trotsky IIRC.
And of course the much older
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Well you are having none of it. Bravo. It will be having you.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:25 pm
Cubicle warrior? Too funny. I spent my vacation in ’66 in the South China Sea. On a little tub you never heard of DLG(N)-25. Watched planes fly off CVA(N)-65. When I wasn’t tending the (N) as an RO.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
California debates ‘yes means yes’ sex assault law:
http://news.yahoo.com/california-debates-yes-means-yes-sex-assault-law-144457610.html
“Legislation passed by California’s state Senate in May and coming before the Assembly this month would require all schools that receive public funds for student financial assistance to set a so-called “affirmative consent standard” that could be used in investigating and adjudicating sexual assault allegations. That would be defined as “an affirmative, unambiguous and conscious decision” by each party to engage in sexual activity.
Silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. The legislation says it’s also not consent if the person is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep.”
Un-fucking-believable.
August 11th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
@FeminineImperative, re yes means yes.
So if the guy remained silent the whole time, and didn’t bother asking or explaining what he was doing, then he’d have a case?
August 11th, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Hearts and minds, man. I control mine. I can tell when people are trying to use fear to hijack them. Not buying it.
If thinking selflessly – thinking what you’re told – is beta, this ain’t it.
Thinking selfishly and seeking to dominate – what many call alpha traits – leads to many of these problems you bring up. 1939 (poor analogy tho). The IS.
Thinking objectively and critically, holding the personal and universal in mind simultaneously? Refusing to be dominated, yet not seeking to dominate? Sigma, perhaps. Doesn’t matter. It’s all symbolism.
We MUST evolve past this. Us vs Them. Alpha vs Beta. Binary existence. We don’t have time. Sadly we may have to learn the hard way again. But we’re ruining Eden.
Look up the Prisoner’s Dilemma. It’s at the heart of Cold War Game Theory. The winning strategy involves cooperating on the first move.
I have no doubt in my ability to act, or my ability to choose how to, should the situation call for it. I do appreciate your concern for my soft parts tho.
August 11th, 2014 at 4:18 pm
Nothing in this universe occurs in isolation. Everything is relative, everything is connected. Feminism/manosphere/red pill/bla bla bla is but one data point in the bigger picture to which all the others are blindspots. For example: all this talk of intergender relations without any mention of _______???Fill in the blank. I’ve seen comment after comment going into psychology, sociology, and even some history to back up the evidence. The blank, to put things in perspective in short order, should’ve been filled in with “money.” Why? Duh! CREAM (cash rules everything around me). What role does money play in the intergender/red pill/feminism/etc etc topic? Remember, from the interdisciplinary research I’m sure many of you open-minded researchers do (especially you, set in your ways narrow-minded Simon, with your comment after comment after comment after comment about your own cognitively-declined Boomer life and how it’s the basis for the rest of existence) Rockefeller bankrolled feminism in order to get women into the workforce in order to be able to tax half the population, and to destroy the family unit.
The average empire lasts about 250 years. America and western civilization is currently in stage 6 of and soon to begin 7:
Seven stages of empire
Stage 1. A country starts out with good money which is either gold or silver or backed by gold or silver.
Stage 2. As it develops economically and socially it begins to take on more and more economic burden adding layer upon layer of public works.
Stage 3. As its economic affluence grows, so does its political influence and it increases expenditures to fund a massive military.
Stage 4. Eventually it puts its military to use and expenditures explode.
Stage 5. To fund the war it steals the wealth of its people by debasing their coinage with base metals or by replacing their money with currency that can be created in unlimited quantities.
Stage 6. The loss in purchasing power of the expanded currency supply is sensed by the population and the financial markets triggering a loss of faith in the currency.
Stage 7. A mass movement out of the currency into precious metals and other tangible assets takes place. The currency collapses and gold and silver rise in price as they account for the huge quantity of currency that was created. This process transfers massive wealth to those who had the foresight to position themselves beforehand in real money, gold and silver.
The decline is nothing new. History repeats itself. What does a loss of purchasing power mean? Well, it’s not only currency that loses purchasing power. It’s people that lose purchasing power. Men and women are people. Since women entered the workforce en masse thanks to feminism and gained their own purchasing power, and since finance is a zero sum game, then that means what? Anyone? Anyone? That’s right! Women gained purchasing power while men lost it. Purchasing power for what? Purchasing power for sex, relationships, intergender relations, etc etc. Now we millennials have grown up thiking a value distortion (blue pill) and that being submissive and beta from the feminist movement is the norm (though throughout thousands of years of history it never was until the last 50 years). So? What does that mean? Anyone? That’s right! this “loss of faith in the currency” in stage 6 and the “mass movement out of the currency into other tangible assets” is the loss of faith in the institution of marriage and a mass movement into other tangible assets (like the new monogamy, MGTOW, etc) is a wealth transfer taking place. Financial wealth? No, you silly, narrow minded cyclops! Any idea what kind of wealth is being transferred here? Let’s take a step back before we take a step forward.
A very long time ago the rules of western civilization needed to devise a way to ensure that their establishment was sustainable. How did they do this? Anyone remember from their interdisciplinary research? No? Well, it turns out that they, the few, decided to come up with a reward schema for the non-breeders in order to keep them productive enough to maintain their ability to serve their masters. They offered them just enough sex with the desirable women to keep them from rebelling.
Fast forward to today and let’s examine that wealth transfer of what? No! Not a financial wealth transfer! A wealth of SEX and COMMITMENT transfer! We’re all aware, from our non-interdisciplinary research, that men are the gatekeepers of commitment and women the gatekeeprs of sex. So now that the best sex (from the most desirable partners) and the best commitment (from the best that provisioning that providers can provide) is limited, the “process transfers massive wealth to those who had the foresight to position themselves beforehand in real money.” But we’re not talking about money here now are we, gentlemen? We’re talking about something else.
We see an anti-feminist women’s movement on ROK by young females today rejecting the waves of feminism. That’s part of a wealth transfer. We see the manosphere’s existence as a transfer of a wealth of information to bed women and learn game. The new monogamy, MGTOW, etc. This sexual energy transfer, according to Freud or whichever psychologist it was, is the reason for all action. This sexual energy transfer is a transfer of motivation. It manifests itself through our collective consciousness in permanent ways. MGTOW lifestyle, the rejecting marriage, the knowledge of game and manosphere, the rejecting of feminism by younger women, pornography habits by both genders, creates permanent change for the rest of our time on this planet. Time only marches on. Into stage 7 of the empire.
Motivation and sexual energy is the wealth transfer. “Those with the foresight to position themselves beforehand in real money,” aka those who saw “real money” aka the real value of sexual energy (sex and all that goddamn foreplay we euphemize as “intergender interactions”) will be the ones reaping the rewards of the value distortions occurring in the gatekeepings of sex and commitment. The men will be optimizing their sex lives, the women will be optimizing their acquisition strategies for goods and services.
To help boggle your narrow minds if you’re of that ilk, consider substituting “sex” or “commitment” for “currency” to understand my entire comment. Women use sex to acquire goods and services from men, men use commitment to acquire, well, mainly the service of a woman’s sexual favors, let’s be real. Furthermore, “women” ARE also currency to elite men, while “men” ARE also currency to elite (HB 10) women. They get passed around and used just as easily. Elite men use women they know want to fuck those men, for their own male political gain, elite women use beta orbiters, and not the men they are fucking, for their own gain.
But why is it that we can see this SMP and its participants with SMV as if they were ACTUALLY currency, or other economic objects? Well, because, to put it into another economic metaphor, we have a very, very large and dire value distortion of what it is to be a human being. We’re too far removed from our spiritual nature if we can simlify human beings into resources and rank and file them as if they’re economic objects, cogs in the wheel, and completely devoid of anything more. Population management via scientific reductionism at its finest. Keep those focused narrow-mindedly on their task at hand and never reveal the big picture, for then they will truly be empowered.
Let’s open-mindedly suspend our disbelief for a moment and consider an old legend. Back when Gods ruled the planet they ate only when they were in the mood to indulge their senses, and they had sex for exactly the same reasons. Life was more leisurely and they didn’t live to work, they worked to live. Why is it that we spend so much of our time blogging and commenting out the symptoms of our problems when the root cause is what we need to address? We spend so much time on intergender relations and their ties to psychology, sociology, history, law, politics, and geopolitics.
Why haven’t we addressed the planned obsolescence of the spiritual issue of true love and it’s subjective definition and pursuance? Why, if all you really need is love, do we think that the economic zero sum game of sex and commitment is a suitable substitute to put all our energies into in this life? We have higher callings than that, gentlemen. Pair bonding, maximum potential, bliss, and all that you have written down in your own bucket lists and thought up for your own unique path.
August 11th, 2014 at 4:21 pm
@CREAM
Amen to that
August 11th, 2014 at 4:57 pm
Rollo, an alpha in every other part of nature breeds and reproduces more than a beta. i believe your definition of ‘alpha’ is flawed because you equate amount of sex with amount of offspring. following natures law an alpha man would father numerous kids with multiple women who themselves go on to do the same in the future. i suspect many who call themselves ‘alpha’ does not fit this definition. and if youre not alpha, then you are beta. as for your ‘smv’ i also disagree. if two women produce healthy offspring thier value is the same regardless. a true alpha will breed both without discrimination. i dont care if you fucked one of my wives when she was younger. paternity test for their
kids show i dominated their reproductive years :as an alpha should.
August 11th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
@khan, Alpha isn’t about who’s doing the breeding, it’s about who’s doing the fucking:
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/26/are-the-cads-outbanging-the-dads/
Actually I don’t believe I’ve ever “equated alpha” with the amount of sex-to-offspring ratio. In an age of unilaterally controlled birthing in the hands of women with unilaterally unmitigated hypergamy, offspring is no longer a prerequisite for Alpha Men.
August 11th, 2014 at 5:17 pm
Nice girl in bikini and machine gun.
D-Man
August 11th, 2014 at 3:19 pm
But you are making my point. Some one will dominate. You or IS?
If it is going to be you, then you might as well start practicing domination now. Get ahead of the game.
August 11th, 2014 at 5:21 pm
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1138303_Official_Girls_of_the_IDF_thread__many_new_pics_Pg_9__.html
Now what kind of man would you have to be to get one of those girls? If you look at the polls and read some of the comments what we have there is a nation of Alphas.
And funny enough the nation I grew up in (born 1944) was a nation of alphas.
August 11th, 2014 at 5:36 pm
“what kind of man would you have to be to get one of those girls?”
Couldn’t have worded a beta, qualifying minset any better.
August 11th, 2014 at 6:05 pm
Start practicing domination you say?
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Hey Skipper, is your wife’s name Gilligan? She’s the First Mate, right?
Know what? I think you love her. That’s OK! you can admit it.
For some reason you feel the need to come here and tell us stories about how you dominate her and fuck with her head like a big ol SuperAlpha from a generation of Alphas. Oh yeah, and talk about your daughter’s tits too. But that’s OK!
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Nah, doesn’t feel right.
August 11th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
In one of the more amusing twists, it turns out that ONLY alphas get cuckolded in most species that have true alphas. In deer, for example, where the dominant stag is the only one who gets to breed with his harem, the “sneak f-er” strategy gets a hind pregnant by a beta male, and the fawn is raised as if it were the alpha’s.
August 11th, 2014 at 6:41 pm
M. Simon – “Now what kind of man would you have to be to get one of those girls?”
Umm…Jewish?
August 11th, 2014 at 7:04 pm
Ellebee – “Women crave security; and men crave security AND freedom.”
Ummm… No
Freedom is security. As a woman you have no knowledge of that because you are not able, or willing to provide your own security. Instead you must trust others to do it for you. Much in the same way y’all need help opening jars.
For men to be secure and to provide security to their families friends and communities they must live in a state of not freedom but liberty. Freedom springs from liberty, but freedom without liberty is trite and insubstantial.
Most societies that have reduced freedom have no liberty. The is also little security. The best example is how women are treated in Islamic countries. No freedom no liberty no security.
August 11th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
Simon,
You say, “Where the men are weak, the women are ugly.”
I argue just the opposite. Where the men are world leaders and innovators, the women will be spoiled. Just look at the USA. Now go to Indonesia, Vietnam, Brazil, Latvia etc where the men make 300$ a month and bed better women than our brain surgeons. You have it totally backwards. Let’s say the men wake up tomorrow and all carry themselves like John Wayne. Between their solipsism and their faces buried in ice cream, American women wouldn’t even notice.
August 11th, 2014 at 11:09 pm
melmoth
August 11th, 2014 at 9:52 pm
You are confusing wealth with strength. Has betaness rotted your brain?
Poor men can’t afford weakness they will starve, or get beat, or eaten.
Now there is nothing keeping the rich from being strong except lack of desire. The Israelis have proved that. They are well off and yet – they exude strength.
I never had the desire to be weak but 3 years in an outlaw MC gang totally cured me of the habit. It is not safe to show ANY sign of weakness with that kind of crowd. Of course I can now turn on the “bad boy” any time it is useful. The chicks (well some of them anyway) come running. In fact it is the “bad boy” part of me the first mate prizes most.
But way more than any physical characteristic it is an attitude. As Rollo has pointed out in the link I dropped above.
August 11th, 2014 at 11:24 pm
Oh yeah, and talk about your daughter’s tits too. But that’s OK!
Actually I never mentioned them. All I said was she was a 9.5 But I suppose it is OK to let your imagination run away with you. It is interesting watching men and some women drool in her presence. The first mate looked almost as good when I met her. Around a 9. The first daughter gained a half point. Not insubstantial at that level. And she has a degree in ChemE – near the top of her class of mostly men. Love discussing thermodynamics with her. Beauty and brains. She will have a hard time finding a match.
And it is quite all right if you don’t believe a word I say. I have done what I set out to do as a child. Lived an interesting life. Very interesting.
Anyone could do i
August 11th, 2014 at 11:26 pm
Anyone could do it if they wanted it bad enough.
August 11th, 2014 at 11:41 pm
It’s interesting. I find myself agreeing with M.Simon and his critics. Clearly, going full MGTOW is not the answer, neither is acting like society hasn’t changed since the 1960’s. It has-Socially, legally, economically, et al., and the reality is that there are larger risks for men at present compared to then. However, one can manage these risks if one understands oneself, sees things with a clear eye, and has a strategy. The best I can recommend is doing a serious SWOT analysis of oneself & environment. It’s as with everything in life, one must understand the risks, make a calculation as to their seriousness, and then take advantage of the opportunities one creates or happens upon. As for threats, not only are the barbarians are at the gates eg ISIS, some within have chosen to become the barbarians eg Feminists. Good hunting fellas…
August 11th, 2014 at 11:59 pm
I’ve been reading this site for several weeks now. Some of you have read my comments and responded. I apologize if I have offended anyone, some of my responses to your reactions have been intentionally offensive.
At this point, I would like to thank Rollo for articulating the dynamics of gender relationships so well and in more concise logical terms than I can. This site is great.
I’m 51 years old, married almost 20, we have a 15 year old daughter. I’ve had my share of women and more than my share of opportunities with them. For me the opportunities continue due to looks, health, ‘alpha’ or whatever. However, ABSOLUTELY NO WOMAN is worth all the analysis, discussion, anger, worry, and frustration reflected on this site.
August 12th, 2014 at 12:15 am
August 2nd, 2014 at 10:25 am
When was the last time you saw a hot girl outside of a club?
“Every time I see #1 daughter. In the 9 to 10 range. ”
August 4th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
“The girl is tall, thin, very good looking, very top heavy, and very bright. A 9.5 – minimum.”
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Dude good for you, you’re proud of your progeny. Just kinda stuck out oddly how you chose to express it. Chalk it up to a generational thing.
August 12th, 2014 at 12:43 am
Simon,
You’re a boy lost in some Conan novel worldview. Go ahead and call me a beta if you must. An outlaw MC gang? Cool in the movies. A bunch of insecure boys looking for long lost daddy, in reality.
August 12th, 2014 at 12:55 am
Ya got me. But top heavy is not near so crass as tits.
August 12th, 2014 at 1:10 am
An outlaw MC gang? Cool in the movies. A bunch of insecure boys looking for long lost daddy, in reality.
Not exactly. Sufferers of child abuse with severe cases of PTSD. Never found one who didn’t match with child abuse if I got to know them well enough so that they started to talk.
And I assure you it was no movie. If you know where to look (I’m not going to tell) you can find accounts and reminisces from the gang on the www.
Say did I mention the time I spent with a black magician? Or how I became an aerospace engineer? If my life was sold as a fiction story no one would believe it. Way too improbable.
The first mate has met some of the old gang. And I introduced her to the magician. And she watched me go from bench technician to aerospace engineer sans degree.
And I have enjoyed nearly every minute. Even the pain was interesting – in retrospect.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:21 am
@Rollo
My response isn’t necessarily to anything specific from this particular blog topic. However, it is motivated by a few things including things I have been reading from this site in general.
This is directed at Rollo. The pattern I’ve observed from this site is that the problems are pointed out as with most things (example criticizing the government) Yet no solutions are being offered. It would almost seem that like women we guys like the drama of having to talk about gender related problems. I know you’ve said in the past that you are not here to tell people what to do or to give them a solution because you want them to develop their own unique solution for their unique situation.
However, I think it would be a good option to have. The option being you writing the solution you would advice (obviously there’s nothing that binds anyone to take it. At most they can develop theirs based on yours). I feel that given the experience you and some of the others guys on this site have it’s easy to overlook the fact that we all come from different backgrounds (some get it faster than others, some get it but find it hard to implement and for others it’s just second nature to them. Game i.e.).
To be honest reading everything on this site, including the comments can be overwhelming. It seems like have to be perfect just to get ahead. By perfect I’m saying have all your sh!t together, always be in the game mode. Even when a girl genuinely does something to piss you off. You have to hide your emotion and act like it didn’t affect you because you don’t want her to see that. You get advise here like control the frame but so many times I’ve done this with certain girls they just put up resistance. Then you get comments from them like ” You are demanding”, “I don’t want to be in a controlling relationship”, and to taking the lead as a guy should “Why do you always have to decide what we do and when we do”. Which she gets mad about and decides not to show up for the date. When I play the “No Contact” card she doesn’t come back. Why would she when there are so many guys after her.
My point for mentioning the above examples is that here people make comments like “dominate her, she will love you for it” as though it were a simple math equation. It doesn’t seem to work out just like that. It’s really nice to know the truth (red pill) but that’s just half the battle. I appreciate you taking time to write all this. This is really some advanced stuff.
Anyway, it is for this reason I feel you should write a solution in a chronological order that one can always refer back to or at least develop their own game from. By chronological order I mean like say for example.
1) Getting your shit together (2) gaming girls while getting your shit together (3) The first date (4) Game in STR (5) Game in LTR or Whatever chronological order you deem fit that would make sense.
I’ve been reading a lot of Alpha fucks and beta bucks here. I think something some of you readers here seem to take for granted is that you are Alphas with the bucks and you have the red pill knowledge. How could you really fail even if you tried :) ?
August 12th, 2014 at 6:09 am
There is clearly a difference between fighting for your country, in my eyes being the ultimate expendable drone and not wanting to deal with women. How is being killed supposed to be alpha in any way? The alphas are the generals who are not at all involved directly.
The same is true for having a family and marrying. You’re just supporting the FI by being the “best” you can be. You gotta work hard to feed the state and to keep your woman from cheating and when she does it’s your fault? That can’t be true. Women are at fault as well. Yeah, men might have let it happen but women took as much from the cake as they could.
For me, these are all signs of a system in decline. There is a war between the sexes and neither are going to win it. In the the west is going down and we’ve come to far to avoid it.
As for my personal consequences I hold it like Badpainter.
Why cater for a system that wants to rip you off. You can have some fun but marrying and stuff isn’t going to happen.
That’s driving te womenz nuts I can tell you, cause they can’t escape their MO. But we can!
August 12th, 2014 at 6:35 am
Jafyk
August 12th, 2014 at 4:21 am
re: “dominate her, she will love you for it” – that was mine.
So let me talk about my failures. Heaven knows you are sick and tired of my success stories.
It took me 12 years from my Red Pill to getting reasonably good at Game. The lessons are not learned all at once. And you have the difficulty that unlike bars of steel or bags of flour women are fairly different from each other in their specifics.
Now with my success so assured why am I hanging out here discussing all that with people who think I’m FOS? Because I’m still learning. The learning never stops. And if from what knowledge I have accumulated I can help some other AFC (which I was before my pill and for some time after), I’d really enjoy doing it. And in fact it seems I have helped one or two from some comments posted. So that also keeps me coming back.
And yes. You have to be awake all the time. But the discipline of awakeness has uses not specific to women. It is a very useful general tool. Staying awake is difficult – at first. But as you practice it eventually you get to the point where it takes hardly any more effort than staying asleep. And the general rewards are immense.
August 12th, 2014 at 6:58 am
heyjay
August 12th, 2014 at 6:09 am
How is being killed supposed to be alpha in any way? The alphas are the generals who are not at all involved directly.
To become a General you have to start out by sharing the risk of those who will some day be under your command. And the very best generals never stop sharing the risk. You might want to look up Gen. Maurice Rose in that regard. Killed in battle. Revered by those under him.
It is sad that the general public doesn’t, as Patton put it, “know any more about war than they do about fornicating.”
As a ‘Nam vet I hated war. And then one day I figured, how can I stop something I don’t understand? So I started studying. It is nothing like the general conception. “Amateurs study battles. Professionals study logistics.” Is an old saying in the war business. The Romans put it another way: Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Just as with women, war doesn’t work at all the way you were taught.
August 12th, 2014 at 7:20 am
@ M. Simon
I can see where you are coming from. Anyway, I wasn’t attributing your quote as being Rollo’s. Just using it as an example. All the same your point was duly noted.
I was leaving the grocery store tonight and I see this lady going off on this guy right in front of the store. I’m not sure what happened or who’s to blame but from their exchange it seemed to me they were in a relationship. I wanted to go over there and just hand the guy a note with the name of this site.
Anyway, that incident got me thinking. I think Rollo should print T-shirts and mugs with the name of his site. Something to wear around to spread the Red pill message. This way more guys can become enlightened.
August 12th, 2014 at 7:32 am
Yeah, men might have let it happen but women took as much from the cake as they could.
They are designed to. Just as you are. I see no point in pissing and moaning about it. Learn how it works and take as much advantage as your morality allows.
As in business, the fairest exchange empowers both sides of a transaction. But since women generally have no conception of fairness it is up to the male to dominate so both parties can get value.
And why should women have any conception of fairness? What are their objectives?
1. Get the best sperm they can gather to produce the best possible offspring.
2. Get the best resources they can for their offspring.
If the two – in her mind/emotions – are not congruent she will divide the responsibilities. Your job, using all the tools at your command, is to convince her that you combine the two objectives in one person. What has happened is that men no longer wish to put in the effort (generally). And so we wind up with what we have in our current social relations.
And yes. The law no longer works to help provide some balance. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be done. You just have to work harder at it. Those that work harder will be represented in the next generation. The rest will live in an AF/BB world.
August 12th, 2014 at 9:10 am
Wow. First off, anyone following along should ask themselves how many “alphas” are sitting around posting dozens of comments on a single blog article raving about what alphas they are. I mean it’s just amazing, one conversation with one girl when he’s 18 and voila, he’s sidestepped the entire culture and society that imposes female imperatives. And then stays with with one woman for 40 years, lol. Some alpha. M. Simon – what is your N? But I digress…
I think that sometimes people mix up SMV with alpha/betaness in these conversation. All kinds of things go into how a woman perceives SMV, and dominance and social proof of high status can give any man a boost in SMV. But that guy may have no “game” and still have a Betaness in him in that he buys into romance and “earning” a woman’s love. He may try to be her “partner” and kill all the vaginal tingling, but still be good looking.
I have had the experience of being good looking and being naturally dominant. My SMV was high, and I had adopted a few alpha strategies on my own. I in fact drove my wife out of our marriage due to my refusal to put up with her abandoning me emotionally and sexually (she decided to start fucking another guy while still married as a response but still it got her out the door). I took zero shit from women in the past 22 years since that marriage ended at age 30. Since then, if a woman lies or goes crazy or gets too critical, boom, they are gone. But I also wanted their approval and also felt my aggression was always a bad thing, that my way was wrong. I wore my masculinity with shame even as I was assertive and dominant. I had a love/hate relationship with my own innate nature, including my sexuality. As I got older and was still attracted to young women I felt ashamed of that.
I also went through two serious injuries and another serious health problem starting at age 44. I’m over them now for the most part, but my point is that I experienced a precipitous decline in SMV due to age and infirmity, and then inactivity after previously being a rock climber and back country skier, and quite desirable. And it all went to shit in a couple of years. And the women in my life and in the world at large turned on me, there is no other way to describe it.
I now know what it’s like to walk down the street and be invisible to women. To be scorned by them for even trying to speak with them. I have returned from that place, and while am no hot guy, i don’t look so bad and am headed in the right direction physically. It’s interesting to notice how the attention and the connection with women increases as I look better. But I guess what I’m saying is that I’ve had externalities overwhelm my previously successful efforts. When my health went sideways, I was physically the healthiest I’d been in my adult life. At 45, I had a resting pulse of 62, 110/70 bp, good cholesterol, was running 5-7 miles and about 12% body fat, and lifting and training etc. But I was passing out. After an exhaustive cardiovascular workup, they told me I had the cardiac system of a young pony. But then this disease that was making me pass out got worse and worse and really took me of my feet for 3-4 years.And then I had a another injury in my last comeback 2.5 years ago.
Externalities matter. The hernia i got climbing after recovering from my leg injury and the disease I have was completely unpredictable. I also think that we generalize from our own situations way too much. M. Simon’s experience is so for a small number of men. It may be his behavior has as much to do with it as he thinks it does, I don’t really care. He’s an outlier. His wife may be an outlier. His environment may be an outlier. His genetics may be an outlier. But he misses this.
There will be losers in this game. I mean, a lot of men are not going to reproduce in their lives. What gets missed by the bullying glibness of the M. Simon’s of the world is that this is a game that makes at least 50% of men very unhappy, ensuring they don’t get their needs met. The losers, nerds, creeps and geeks. the fat guys, the bald ones or the just plain unlucky ones – none of them gets to be happy in this world you so heartily recommend, M. Simon. Maybe you don’t get that? The very real suffering of the men who’ve played this game to the best of their ability and have lost and are alone and so sexually frustrated that they can never get it off their minds? They are real people. Their pain and suffering matters and is legitimate and is not just due to their actions. They are playing a game where 50% or more are guaranteed to be losers – it’s not all in your’s or their control.
I get it. I play to win too, but I’ve seen both sides of it now. So I get what the losers of the game feel like too. Yeah, I’ve had a lot of really great women and in some ways it’s harder for me because I’m not used to losing in this game. It’s like it all fell apart all at once for me. But it’s also true that I was beta as shit in some ways. Regardless, I’m not sure I can just dismiss half or more of all men as losers, and the very real suffering all of this causes them as meaningless. Sorry.
I also come at it from a simpler perspective now. We are men, animals programmed to want to fuck a lot of different women, regardless of how we look. Every lower SMV beta guy is just as horny as you M. Simon, it’s a biological certainty, and they often don’t win due to things beyond their control. I get it, the world isn’t fair but that also means that a group of people really do get shit on. Are you really going to sit here and tell them, after all the shit they’ve had to eat, that you don’t want to hear it? That it’s all their fault anyway? Nah, not me, no way. Yeah, I have a high “N” and know what it’s like to be really wanted and to be with beautiful women, so what? That means I can’t understand what it’s like for other guys? Nah.
@ M. Simon – You seem to not understand your own nature, M. You did not create yourself, in many ways you are just lucky to be the way you are. And if you don’t get that, run on over to YouTube and watch Sam Harris’s lecture on “Free Will”. You mentioned how your entire family is very successful and switched on and attractive – what, you don’t get that you are just lucky in many real ways? No, I don’t think you do. But you are, and you need to take less pride in who you are and instead show some more gratitude for winning the lotto game that is life in the sexual marketplace in many real ways.
Me? I get that the current intersexual dynamics in society are not really serving men well. Rather than scream “Man up” at you, I suggest you consider being more selfish as a starting point. That was my real wake up call, when I saw that inside my own identity I had made my needs secondary and wrong in many ways that was the real moment of clarity. I had to get that getting my needs met was completely okay and that making my life about serving me – not others – was fine. This self-centeredness, this scraping out the female imperative that had lodged itself in my consciousness was the foundation from which my growth emerged. I didn’t “try” to become more alpha. I simply changed my POV – I matter now. What I want is what’s most important. And if I’m not getting it, i’m gone…And that has made me embrace my natural alpha tendencies. Learning about “game” here has helped me optimize my interactions and to be really okay with me being about me.
You see, the beta is someone who internalized the idea that a man’s value in society lies in what he can do for others. Whether it’s work, provisioning, even getting women hot, it’s his responsibility. His fault, his problem. The entire framing of life that beta brings to the table is self-sabotaging and designed to give one an unsatisfying life. This was the framing I had to break through. For me it was particularly poignant as I had these values while being a good provider and was doing a lot for others while I also had high SMV. But then I went down the shitter healthwise and lost most of my money, so I had to deal with my own sense of failure and self-loathing while my SMV was plummetting. Really painful stuff. I was no longer the uber provider, spraying cash and toys around, driving a German luxury car and jetting off for a week of back country skiing up in BC, being helied in, yeah? I was no longer strong and handsome to look at. I easily loathed myself for this as much as any women who rejected me – and they all did. My sisters and my daughter even turned on me in this time of need. After a llifetime of provisioning and care for them (I played Dad to my sisters in very real ways for much of their lives).
But then I got it. It’s all framing that I’m imposing on myself. My new frame? Glenn gets what he wants. Glenn is about serving Glenn, first and foremost. Glenn’s needs and wants are good and serving them is the purpose of my life. I’m no longer on a quest to “prove” what a good and nice man I am. I did that for 50 years and it left me a burnt out husk of a human being. I finally got the message.
Also, now that I understand the cheap game that is being played intersexually, I don’t have to rest my entire ego and sense of self worth on it. It’s just sex. Yes, I’m like a junkie for sex sometimes – so what? I embrace my inner pervert and “dog” more than ever. I never shame my libido anymore, nor do i try to restrain it. But to put my whole sense of worth on it? Nah. If a woman rejects me, I’m “Next”. My last “breakup” with a woman I was fucking for 4-5 months? It cost me about 30 minutes of sadness and then I was done. That’s the balanced, self-focused man that I enjoy being.
Last. None of this means one should be an asshole, as many betas like to believe. One can be exceedingly polite and considerate while seeking to get their needs met. It’s really more about choosing positive, productive and constructive associations in life and maintaining a strong frame rather than being a jerk. It’s all starts with rejecting the internal validation of yourself that society has trained men to measure themselves with. How have you internalized it?
@ Promethean – Thanks so much for sharing honestly and without trying to “look good”. I can utterly relate to the heartwrenching moment when you realize that all that you have done to care for your wife and children means nothing. That it all could just be ripped away from you and that nobody in the world would even shame your wife for doing so. That nobody gave a shit how this affects you. That the “good will” you assumed you had in these relationships, the personal capital you believed you had with these people based on dedicating your life to providing for them and supporting them in every way you could, earned you nothing. I can relate to the shock of realizing that is a one way account – you put in and nothing comes back. Fyi, this is part of why they don’t respect us anymore – we provision without demanding reciprocity. And you know it didn’t actually happen all at once, but rather that you let your dignity and authority and the respect that a father and husband should receive just get eroded and disappeared until one day it was gone. Sigh…
August 12th, 2014 at 9:15 am
No one is forcing men to accept the female agenda for fun and mating. If men are trapped, used and discarded by women its because se never mature beyond the age of 17 and we let ourselves be ruled by the vagina. Get used to it. Marriage, relationships, players and puas are coming to an end. Soon enough men will reject society.
August 12th, 2014 at 9:52 am
Glenn- “You see, the beta is someone who internalized the idea that a man’s value in society lies in what he can do for others. Whether it’s work, provisioning, even getting women hot, it’s his responsibility. His fault, his problem. The entire framing of life that beta brings to the table is self-sabotaging and designed to give one an unsatisfying life.”
Perfect description of my programming. M. Simon would have us all pursue that course with full focus and regardless of rewards because we are all service animals. H’s just rebranding servitude to the FI and the rotten structure that support and enforce it.
And your statement about fault perfectly describes what I was taught to believe. I have since rejected this at least intellectually but still whenever something bad happens my first reaction to figure what I did to cause it. The fight between the automatic guilt and my intellect screaming it’s not my fault is difficult to deal with. The best work around I’ve come up with is to simply not care.
August 12th, 2014 at 11:07 am
What’s my N? 0x65C98A That is just to confirm to you that I’m lyin my ass off. I hope in makes you happy. It made me VERY happy.
But I suppose as long as YOU are making things up no harm done.
Some of us are lucky enough and have the determination to lead the life we want. Sorry you weren’t so fortunate. My condolences.
August 12th, 2014 at 11:31 am
Badpainter
August 12th, 2014 at 9:52 am
Well of course you are going to serve the women and children if you have any. The choice you get is: “My terms or hers?” This has always and forever been the case. Men are expendable. And of course if you are a behavioral beta it is even worse. Some one else knocks her up and you get to pay.
If you don’t want a family, there is no point in learning about women. Especially if you are willing to do without.
If you want breeding with minimal involvement get a dog.
August 12th, 2014 at 11:53 am
@ M. Simon – My “N” is over 100. Not so hard to answer the question properly. That means I’ve had sex with over 100 different women in my life. That means I’ve navigated this dynamic you prattle on and on about successfully many times while you were placating your wife. By the way you speak, I can tell that you know next to nothing about the current sexual marketplace because you are a spectator in it. And even worse? You sit on the sidelines throwing tomatoes at the guys on the field who are still in the game.
As for being “lucky”, even now, you’re still a prick. You are the guy who brags about his family’s superiority – what, it bothers you to have to admit that the gleaming success you preen about may not be all your doing? That in fact, your success in life has much less to do with your “determination” than you think? What, because you rolled the dice to the right number, you get to offer condolences? And don’t give them to me – I’m in no need of sympathy, I don’t feel victimized by any of it. In fact, I actually enjoy the game most of the time. And play it full out – as I am doing in my entire life. But that isn’t something I invented, I was taught to be that way. I have some kind of biology that sets me up that way too and my brothers are the same as me. I’m unstoppable. So fucking what? That doesn’t mean I get to feel superior. I have plenty of adversity. My life is full of failure and adversity – if you have your own business you know that’s what it means to have your own business You keep overcoming the adversity and keep making it happen. But the adversity is real. It sucks sometimes and when someone is at a disadvantage and keeps losing even though they are trying, I don’t scoff at them.
Go back to yelling at your wife while she laughs at you…
August 12th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
@ M. Simon – “Well of course you are going to serve the women and children if you have any.” Lol. Please, continue on with the lecture, oh mighty AARP Alpha Leader, and tell us how the female imperative doesn’t control you. WebAlphas of the world, unite – we have found your leader, the mighty M. Simon. Hasn’t had a strange piece of ass in 40 years, and serves women and children, but he’s got an Alpha solution for you. Lol. I mean, really, LO-Fucking-L.
Like I’ve said on other posts. Consume this kind of bullshit at your own risk folks. This kind of frenetic online behavior is best seen as pathology, not wisdom. He’s working something out, likely it’s coming to grips with his own internalization of betaness and the female imperative. Whatevs. I’m out again till next post, keep up the fabulousness, Rollo, this was another home run!
August 12th, 2014 at 12:18 pm
The main point of this particular essay – and I’m going back to the Red Robin commercial – is that now, hypergamy is out in the open and it’s penetrated our media. The message as I understand it is,”That’s the way it is now, boys, so go get fitted for your leash and collar and capitulate. Comply, and you might get laid, after I’ve decided if you’ve deserved it this quarter. Otherwise, you’ll end up miserable and alone.”
If that is truly where we are now, in light of almost constant TV and movie depictions / reinforcement of feminine entitlement simply by virtue of being a woman, then in the words of Samuel Goldwyn, include me out on the servitude aspect.
I’m not a MGTOW, but I do understand why a certain kind of guy just wouldn’t bother with women after ingesting RP awareness. If consciously walking away from that meet-marry-underwrite circus makes you happy, I say go for it. But I’ve always felt that understanding the real operating rules of inter-sexual relationships, and planning your next moves accordingly, gives you a far better strategy as a man than just opting out.
Adaptation keep an organism alive and able to claw its way to the top of its niche in the ecosystem. Evolution is the natural state of men; what’s been inculcated in us former betas has kept us in a state of suspended adolescence. Positive masculinity allows you to wake up from that daydream and learn from men who’ve done it too.I’m well on my way in thriving and winning in this new paradigm.
August 12th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
Here is George’s message, mostly delivered around the time of Game Changers:
“Nurture trumps nature, so all this ev-psych stuff is crap.
Real men don’t need game.
You’re a real man, aren’t you?
Then don’t bother with game.”
And no George, I don’t personally believe the above. I think it’s bullshit posturing.
August 12th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
Cosign MikePhil.
Open hypergamy calls for open defiance of the status quo, open trascendence of it. This is how the sphere wins. We are discussing these concepts openly, on the internet. We’re trying to spread the word, and we are largely ridiculed for it. That’s fine. Because if your ego has been trashed already, you’ll be more able to set aside your societally-induced self-righteousness and actually look at things with open eyes. You do the hard work, you get the rewards.
Most leaps in understanding are initially ridiculed – even by respected scientists, many of whom stubbornly take their beliefs to their graves – before becoming universally accepted.
So this might mean being unapologetic about refusing to shake society’s hand on a raw deal. As long as you support yourself, pay your taxes, stay civil, and remain decent human being to others, you’re fine. It’s not fighting, it’s reward removal. Society has come to expect and feel entitled to the rewards of our overproduction. The more people get worked up, trying to shame you by saying you’re shrinking away from your man-up duties, the more they prove your point.
Or it might mean being open about studying, discussing, and working to optimize your understanding of the deep processes that underpin the human sexual impulse, if that’s what fascinates or motivates you.
Why would society at large be motivated to shame us for that? Think about it. Why should we apologize? Who WOULDN’T want to understand what goes into their own makeup, and the grand story of humanity? It’s elementary.
August 12th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
I think part of the disconnect between the experience of M Simon and some of the younger guys is that women have in fact changed.
Their nature remains the same, but their socialization has changed.
Most women now in their 50s haven’t been exposed to ‘Women’s Studies’ in college. That brainwashing causes serious attitudinal and behavioral problems in women.
Women not directly exposed to it just tend to be better women. They are more likely to appreciate a real man.
August 12th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
I wonder what your idea of raising children is? Remote control? Give the job over to some beta? I’m sorry that I wanted to have something to do with my children’s life. I’m sorry I didn’t want them to have father issues. I’m sorry I was unwilling to abandon them to the tender mercies of a step-father.
Since I was unwilling to do all that the only other choice was to dominate the first mate. Just got done doing that. Asked her if she liked it. “Yes.” Did it make you feel good? “Yes.”
Now if you lot want to abandon your children it is OK by me. But don’t complain about the world you are creating. And if you don’t want to make children – even better. It should clean up the gene pool some. Because from what I’m seeing you are unfit to reproduce.
And if you got involved and let some woman clean you out? Well good. It is your lot in life.
And you want to know my score? Enough to find a lady who wanted me very badly. You want a number? Greater than 1. Less than 10,000. Pick a number that makes you happy. I did.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
@M Simon
You will die. All of your children will die. Your belongings will decay to nothing. Your country will fall apart and people will forget it ever existed. Your planet will die and your sun will explode.
Vanity, vanity, all is vanity……..
Your god is pride. My god wins.
August 12th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
@ Entropy
Lol, that was so random. Who is your God? If it’s entropy, explain why it’s your God and how that is relevant to the subject of this blog?
August 12th, 2014 at 5:08 pm
Hypergamy is the natural state of humankind. Very few men ever got to reproduce, women have always been the female equivalent of the beta orbiter where it concerns high quality men(tall + handsome/rich) men. For the vast majority of Mankind’s existence the elite men had all of the women, and somehow the rest of the men didn’t die from vagina-hunger.
Sex is not a human need. Sex is a drug. A heavily sought after drug, which is why its so expensive for the men who were never supposed to get it. You don’t want to pay the price?(beta bucks)
Avoid women.
Yes, women put out for the top percentage of the male population, as most men would behave in the same manner if they had that option, but most men are either ugly, obese or balding. You lot only consider the 22 year old Angelina jolie to be a woman, the rest of the women you wouldn’t give the time of the day, and then you lash out at female hypergamy. Why would Jennifer Lawrence sleep with a regular dude?
Why would Emma Watson want the male landhwhale?
August 12th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
”I wonder what your idea of raising children is? Remote control? Give the job over to some beta? I’m sorry that I wanted to have something to do with my children’s life. I’m sorry I didn’t want them to have father issues. I’m sorry I was unwilling to abandon them to the tender mercies of a step-father.”
Meh, Let me tell you, that as a young man, I feel very grateful for never having had any children. I have no college debt(because I delayed college until I could afford it etc) I don’t have ex-girlfriends, I stopped dating and bothering with women in my early 20s, and I have all of my money to myself. I’m healthy, I have a lot of time for my hobbies,and I don’t have to ”raise children properly.”
The nuclear family is a relic of the past. Men should stop reproducing and we should pass that role to the state. With the numerous bank sperms around the world, all women have to do is to select the sperm they want, and then they can raise their own kids and go about returning to the Alpha carousel.
And concerning the pity you feel for the MGTOW fella you had a conversation with.. No offense, but all of the men I’ve grown up with are stuck with nagging women and are up to their eyeballs in child-support.
No, game would not work with them. Women want masculine-looking men, not men who don’t look like Dave Bautista but act like him.
August 12th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
”I think part of the disconnect between the experience of M Simon and some of the younger guys is that women have in fact changed.
Their nature remains the same, but their socialization has changed.
Most women now in their 50s haven’t been exposed to ‘Women’s Studies’ in college. That brainwashing causes serious attitudinal and behavioral problems in women.
Women not directly exposed to it just tend to be better women. They are more likely to appreciate a real man.”
Women have always been what they are now. My grandmother is 74 and she still behaves as if she was the hottie she was at the age of 20. My grandfather was a player and I believe he allowed himself to die of prostrate cancer just to get away from my grandmother, and my grandma’s mother, who is a century old, was as complicated and as demanding as any 20 year old of today. Stop believing this fairy tale that women of long ago were real women.
Real women are deceptive, greedy, and are only looking out for themselves. Women never cared about men, and they will even destroy the Alpha male after they got from him what they wanted(sex, genetic material, whatever it is).
August 12th, 2014 at 5:47 pm
“Men should stop reproducing and we should pass that role to the state.”
Should?
Right, I forgot, the State does everything better than the private sector or open market.
“With the numerous bank sperms around the world, all women have to do is to select the sperm they want, and then they can raise their own kids and go about returning to the Alpha carousel.”
No benefit of even sex or a 50% chance of staying the resident father of your children. You will still end up paying for the baby mammas through your taxes.
You live in Germany? What % of your money do you get to keep now?
August 12th, 2014 at 6:19 pm
“.. pay your taxes, stay civil .. reward removal. Society has come to expect and feel entitled to the rewards of our overproduction.” D-man.
I’d rather maximize my tax-efficiency than pay the leeches a bent penny if I don’t have to. Even if it means taking half the year off (not all at once, of course), sat in a rocker picking my nose and supping ale. Although I generally find something pretty absorbing and different to do instead, even after I’ve fixed as much of the house as I can get at.
Usually I don’t have to go to the trouble, as contracts are thin on the ground since ’08. Seen it all before.
August 12th, 2014 at 6:21 pm
” For the vast majority of Mankind’s existence the elite men had all of the women, and somehow the rest of the men didn’t die from vagina-hunger.”
Absolute crap. You just made that up. Are you sure you’re not LivingTreeeeeeee?
August 12th, 2014 at 6:25 pm
@Entropy
Astute. When you have nothing you become everything.
Down that road is true value, true power.
Well stated.
August 12th, 2014 at 6:36 pm
Williams opened up about his money problems in a Parade magazine interview last year in which he mentioned how hard it was to deal with divorce.
In September last year, Williams admitted he was forced to return to TV acting after three decades and sell his $35 million house because his two costly divorces left him on the verge of bankruptcy.
“Divorce is expensive. I used to joke they were going to call it ‘all the money’, but they changed it to ‘alimony’. It’s ripping your heart out through your wallet,” Williams said.
…
August 12th, 2014 at 6:48 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2722891/Robin-Williams-wrestled-demons-killing-himself.html
The $30 million wives: Robin Williams was said to be in financial straits following his divorces from his ex-wives, Marsha Garces, left, and Valerie Velardi
August 12th, 2014 at 7:02 pm
Seeing more and more main stream media examples of open hypergamy
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/michelle-rodriguez-forgets-cara-delevingne-with-men-drugs-and-shrooming-but-no-zac-efron/story-fnk825dz-1227022474970
August 12th, 2014 at 11:38 pm
To “Jacklabare”
In response to your post
“jacklabear”
August 12th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
Here is George’s message, mostly delivered around the time of Game Changers:
“Nurture trumps nature, so all this ev-psych stuff is crap.
Real men don’t need game.
You’re a real man, aren’t you?
Then don’t bother with game.”
And no George, I don’t personally believe the above. I think it’s bullshit posturing.”
You must have me confused with someone else or you didn’t explain yourself sufficiently. Either you were confused or intoxicated when you read whatever and responded. Nevertheless, I have written you off as unredeemable, maybe your not, yet you seem so to me.
What the hell is up with the teddy bear icon anyway? Seems strangely perverted beta.
August 12th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
MSimon
Kudos to you in reference to Patton and some of your other comments.
I wholeheartedly agree with what you seem to be relating (what I perceive at least). If you haven’t read “Empire of The Summer Moon”, I recommend it and I am curious what your thoughts would be concerning it. It is a great read and an eye opener to the truth of human nature.
August 13th, 2014 at 12:06 am
Mgtow is slow suicide? Hm. Mgtow don’t suffer from pussy-addiction. We dont spend decades inside a gym. We don’t venerate roissy. We dont worry about ex boyfriends, stds, false rape reports, alimony, Child-suport etc. I do see the need for blue pillers – and most red pillers are a Shade more blue, but i dont really care. Relationships are deAd. Christianity is dead. Europe is dead.usa is dead. The white man is dead. As one of the last true europeans, i don’t cAre.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:13 am
”Cubicle warrior? Too funny. I spent my vacation in ’66 in the South China Sea. On a little tub you never heard of DLG(N)-25. Watched planes fly off CVA(N)-65. When I wasn’t tending the (N) as an RO.”
War? Why would there be war in Europe? Hitler tried to rule Europe with his military, he lost and dozens of millions died,. Now Germany dominates Europe via strict imposed financial discipline, trade, and culture. It won’t take long for Europe to become the USG,. United states of Germany. War is outdated and the middle east is a military threat? What are they going to use? Sticks? The middle east is fragmented, no Jihad is coming, thanks. The only power in the middle-east is Israel and Israel is fck buddies with the USA.
As for Russia attacking Europe? LOL? Putin is just posturing. He needs the European markets to not starve durin the winter. The Russian military is a joke. They are so poor, I bet they had to sell their tanks to buy toilet paper.
The only concern Europe is facing is the extremely low birth rates. Doesn’t matter. Genetic engineering will be used to not only defeat the low birth rates, but we will breed an European race with no flaws and no limits.
August 13th, 2014 at 2:03 am
[…] Open hypergamy. Related: Women don’t even trying to hide their AF/BB strategy. […]
August 13th, 2014 at 3:09 am
At the end of the day it is up to the man to keep the woman in check. that is the practicality and that is what matters.
August 13th, 2014 at 4:05 am
Theo Ross
August 13th, 2014 at 3:09 am
At the end of the day it is up to the man to keep the woman in check. that is the practicality and that is what matters.
A man after my own heart.
George
August 12th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
Haven’t read it but I just read an excerpt. It is interesting that they went from dominant to submissive in a generation. They followed the old rules – kill your enemies. The better way is to outsmart them. Turn them. Make them submit. Put them in a place where following your dictates is their best option. And profitable too. That has been the American way. China has been defeated. They just don’t know it. Vietnam wants to become part of the system. So we actually won that war.
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As to my other friend up thread. What has yet to happen to America is the determination to dominate Islam. Until that happens the Islamics are a threat. And a considerable one.
Interestingly Europe is, due to the Islamic threat, turning right. They are starting to find their alphaness. My guess is that a few more massacres and they will decimate North Africa and make the savages convert to the religion of peace. Christianity if they want to be nice. Judaism if they want to rub salt into the wound. But Judaism is unlikely. Europe is reverting to its old ways. You can get a taste of that at “Zero Hedge” (ZH) if you look at any post about the Israel/Hamas war. And those ZH people are mostly Americans.
And you know what else is interesting. You can see Kurds flying Israeli flags. They know who their enemies are.
Hard times bring out male alphaness. And the women? Well they want to have an alpha for a protector when the going gets rough. Was just discussing that with the first mate today. She just loves that I have been her protector for 40+ years.
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And to my MGTOW friend up thread. You are unfit to reproduce. Evidently you are not. Good.
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With the era of unprecedented wealth we are headed for. (see up thread on economics/demographics) if humans are to reproduce in enough numbers for population balance, alphaness will need to be taught. Evidently Putin is teaching that in Russia the old fashioned way. He is wildly popular. I expect to see a rise in the Russian birth rate this year and next if he retains his popularity.
When TSHTF America will revert to the bad asses we have always been. What is deceptive is that if you are no threat (you keep your alphaness in bounds) America has no interest in you except for purposes of trade. People mistake that for weakness.
Who would have thought that the beta interlude of the 1920s and 30s would lead to world conquest by 1945. And who would have thought that the Jewish gang at Los Alamos would have found their own particular brand of alphaness. AH of Germany certainly didn’t expect it. He wanted nothing to do wit their brand of science.
And what was the hall mark of that beta interlude? The same as we see in this thread. The decrying of war and the determination to be no one’s cannon fodder. But Patton got it. You will find your alphaness when you are “properly” stressed. Now personally I’m no fan of war, but if you don’t keep that inner alpha alive you will find yourself in one. Because some alpha on the other side of the planet will start to get ideas.
Si vis pacem para bellum
August 13th, 2014 at 4:38 am
The proof that alphaness is the cause of births? The post WW2 baby boom. And betaness – the baby dearth from the 30s. What else does alphaness buy you? Wealth creation. Look at our basement boys. Because they will not be “slaves” to women and children they create no wealth. Women and children require an excess of wealth.
The mistake the basement boys make is in thinking that since the laws are stacked against them they have no other option. But this site and many others are proof that they do. If they can reach their inner alpha.
August 13th, 2014 at 4:54 am
“Genetic engineering will be used to not only defeat the low birth rates, but we will breed an European race with no flaws and no limits.”
That reminds me, I haven’t ever played the Wolfenstein game the kids gave me for my b’day a few years back. One day, when I get the time, maybe.
August 13th, 2014 at 5:12 am
Genetic engineering will be used to not only defeat the low birth rates, but we will breed an European race with no flaws and no limits.
And the resources needed to run this operation? And the manpower to raise the children? Or will they be crated fully grown with their heads filled with the right stuff?
But suppose we can do it in 100 years. Will Europe as we know it exists in sufficient form to carry out the dream?
There is quite a bit we don’t know yet. Quite a bit more than quite a bit.
August 13th, 2014 at 6:13 am
@ Glenn – epic post +1
August 13th, 2014 at 6:21 am
Professor Von Hardwiggs
August 12th, 2014 at 5:16 pm
Stop believing this fairy tale that women of long ago were real women.
Real women are deceptive, greedy, and are only looking out for themselves. Women never cared about men, and they will even destroy the Alpha male after they got from him what they wanted(sex, genetic material, whatever it is).
Oh. Yeah.
August 13th, 2014 at 6:44 am
Glenn
August 12th, 2014 at 11:53 am
All the endowments in the world won’t do you any good with the wrong attitude.
I had a beta attitude until age 18 and by age 30 I had an alpha attitude. It helped.
I think I have stated that a change in attitude will not make a 5 into a 10. But it can make a 5 into a 7. And if the 5 is acting 0? Well getting up to 7 is a considerable improvement.
All I can tell you is that my SMV at 18 was 0 and by age 30 it was considerably improved.
And from what I have seen an alpha attitude considerably improves the odds of making a LTR LT.
I mean look at Robin Williams. Made the same mistake 3 times in a row. I would have made it once. I had determined 20 years ago that once was enough for me should things fall apart. I was going back to spinning plates.
So why aren’t I spinning plates now? It is not because of any commitment to monogamy. I just have other things I want to do with my time.
August 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
My great uncle got his tongue shot off in the war. He doesn’t talk about it much.
August 13th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
@m Simon: “Anyone can do it” (have a happy marriage and dominate your wife.
This is not correct. You are generalizing from your own experience with your mate. Dominating an openly rebellious woman is almost impossible. God himself couldn’t do it so how can you be so sure?
August 13th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
George
August 12th, 2014 at 11:38 pm You must have me confused with someone else or you didn’t explain yourself sufficiently. Either you were confused or intoxicated when you read whatever and responded. Nevertheless, I have written you off as unredeemable, maybe your not, yet you seem so to me.
What the hell is up with the teddy bear icon anyway? Seems strangely perverted beta.”
No, I don’t believe I mistook you for someone else.
Your post is in character as I described.
But you have mistaken me for someone who gives a shit about you considering me redeemable or not.
Fuck off with the alpha posturing. It doesn’t work with me.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
Lots of talking over each other going on here. May I add another voice to the discussion?
First, I’m mid 40’s (Gen X), and smack dab in between the worlds of Simon, and the 20 something men posting here. I think both sides are missing some points, and both sides have some valid points.
First off, to the 20 something’s, Simon is right about young guys reeking of basement dwelling loserdom. Christ you can practically smell it like a stench cloud of beta from their flaccid bodies and sallow sad sack faces, and unfortunately, they are basically the new normal for “man” amongst Gen Y. No woman, from any time period, even back when women were sweeter, kinder and more feminine, would hold these faggots in anything other than contempt. They hold themselves to no standard of masculinity nor even simple dignity. They are absolutely unappealing and the few decent women in their generation flee their stench instinctually.
Simon is off mark insofar as to the women of Gen Y. These girls are awful, they are nothing like the pool of women he, and to a much lesser degree, I, had access to in our day. Finding one not covered head to toe in ink and piercings is difficult at best. Finding what he, and I, consider even a decent feminine average girl is like striking the lottery. And most all of them, by age 22 or so, have had more cocks inside of them than anybody could ever feel comfortable marrying up. They curse like sailors, and most of them are devoted to their pretend make work careers. And worst, and I think he overlooks this yet expresses it, they are thirsty for males to the point that they will ditch whomever they are with immediately if an old school masculine man shows up.
I am a biker, and I can say for a fact that a woman can be at a party, holding hands with her simpering beta provider, and she will flirt aggressively with the alpha when her schlub’s head is turned. Lots of them do this, with me, and I honestly feel fucking awful for the dude she’s ready to abandon for five minutes in a stall with me. They all seem like this now, it’s like women were replaced with mindless pleasure demons.
Young men today are facing bleak prospects. There is literally no incentive to improve if one only holds out the reward of hooking up with these shameless cretin women. Why, after all, when even if he snags a modern chick, he knows that she will cheat on him with a random natural alpha at the drop of a hat?
That being said, one should try to alpha up for one’s own sake, and not for women. Sitting around like an emo faggot, tatting up and wasting life playing video games is an awful way to live, and you are denying yourselves of the supreme pleasures to be had in living life fully as a masculine man.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
Blueplillprofessor
August 13th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
@m Simon: “Anyone can do it” (have a happy marriage and dominate your wife.
Dominating an openly rebellious woman is almost impossible.
They all are openly rebellious. But it can be done. If you intend to do it. The key is your “almost”.
So why put in the effort? Children that grow up in intact families do better.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
GhostOfJefferson
August 13th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
These girls are awful, they are nothing like the pool of women he, and to a much lesser degree, I, had access to in our day. Finding one not covered head to toe in ink and piercings is difficult at best.
Agree about that. Totally. I just don’t see much of that in my neck of the woods. I live in a town of about 150K and that sort of thing is not very fashionable.
And it is not the ink so much – which is bad enough. It is all the metal on the face. Do you suppose it is their way of indicating how much pain they are in?
Also girls around here don’t do much of the flirting while in the presence of a date/boyfriend/husband. They at least have enough decency to only do that while out on their own.
Maybe I’m just locked in a time warp town.
BTW I consider myself a Jeffersonian. Nice to meet you.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:46 pm
Howdy. There are isolated pockets of 1950’s America still to be found, but they are getting rarer. I would not want to be 20 years old in today’s culture, unless I could be exactly who I am now (e.g. – not a mango a, hipster or metrosexual or pseudo- fag emasculated “guy”).
Yeah, Jeffersonian libertarian myself. Nice to meet you too.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Heh, mangina, not “mango A”.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
Oh M Simon, you incorrigible blowhard you! Your hubris is showing.
Did I rile something up when I encouraged guys to look a little higher up the food chain for who’s been shafting them the most? You say we’re headed for an era of unprecedented wealth. Who do you mean by “we”?
The Boomers are 40% of the population and the entitlements they authored for themselves are based on two taxpayers for every retiree. And they expect to live another, what, 30 years after retirement? That is, when they finally vacate the jobs the next generations are still locked out of? The maths dont work.
Especially when you consider how much of that wealth has been fraudulently concentrated recently.
It ain’t turtles all the way down, bubs. People are waking up. The top of the pyramid relies on the base. And it is much, much bigger.
Y’know, part of the essence of this discussion (Open Hypergamy), is that people don’t like having unfairness waved in their face.
By referencing the 1930s, you are highlighting the role that very dynamic played. Atrocities followed.
Rather than focus on that thorny issue, rife as it was with inflamed pride, the same flavour of which you – of all people! – so wantonly now display, I prefer to draw inspiration from the words of one who made it through that era, Viktor Frankl:
(paraphrasing) You may not be able to choose your circumstance, or avoid suffering, but you can choose how you react to it.
This is what the MGTOW are doing (not that I count myself as one of them, but I certainly can’t fault them if they look at things today and say: “Funny game, the only way to win is not to play”)
For the masses of men who are the engine of the economy that the weatlhy and old-aged rely on, a major carrot has always been a decent wife and a decent family. The struggle to reach that carrot, under the economic yoke, is what has created our incredible productivity.
Ultimately, it has been the machinations of greed, and the lust for power, that have atomized our society, and turned the carrots (your ubermensch daughter notwithstanding, I’ll have to take your word for it) rotten.
And your prescription is to try and dominate that carrot into being fresh and wholesome again?
Better speak with the farmers.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
@ M Simon
You mentioned that your daughter doesn’t seem to be interested in men.
Did she perchance take any ‘women’s studies’ courses along with her ChemE?
I have a niece who graduated from a private college with a liberal arts degree with women’s study courses. I was shocked at some of the misandrist hate speech she uttered. I don’t see any way she can now have a good relationship with a man.
August 13th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
jacklabear
August 13th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
I think it is the case that she was in the environment. Her current ideal is an equal relationship with a guy. I tried to tell her how that would end in disaster. She was having none of it. Case closed for now.
She resents greatly how I dominate her mother. She is not going to allow that – ever. Of course her mother was not going to allow it either. Heh.
From what I can tell she dated mostly betas. Maybe only betas.
She is headed for the left coast. SF Bay area. We will see what happens when she gets there.
August 13th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
“From what I can tell she dated mostly betas. Maybe only betas.”
Interesting, a 9.5 dating betas.
What about my hypothesis that betas are now actually getting laid more than ever before?
August 13th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
D-Man
August 13th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
Despite being in the Boomer generation, I am not of the Boomer generation – politically. And most of what you ascribe to the Boomers was initiated by FDR.
I despise the Progressives of the Left and the Progressives of the Right. And I’m not too fond of betas. There is no need for it.
And your prescription is to try and dominate that carrot into being fresh and wholesome again?
Better speak with the farmers.
You can train the farm animals, dogs, and to a somewhat lesser extent cats. If you want to.
In any case I don’t intend to get caught with my wallet flat. I’m doing a little farming of my own.
http://spacetimepro.blogspot.com/2014/08/lpc1114lqfp-devl-15julyl2014.html
August 13th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
Dating a beta does not mean having sex with a beta. It means that a beta is allowed to buy her free shit and be seen with her I public on occasion.
August 13th, 2014 at 2:35 pm
jacklabear
August 13th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
The betas she was dating didn’t look like they were getting laid. And BTW they weren’t betas in looks or body build. Just attitude. AFCs.
She is not one of the loose women of her generation. I’m not sure how I feel about that. Despite her looks it makes her uncompetitive. OTOH she is holding out for what she wants. Definitely an alpha female. It is going to take a VERY dominant male to tame her.
August 13th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/could-islamic-militants-iraq-bring-fight-america-221727036.html
As the Islamic State gains ground and enlarges its pool of foreign fighter recruits, it is increasingly likely to attack on American soil as well.
That has been the warning coming from some lawmakers and defense analysts this week, who argue that the United States has de facto declared war on the Islamic State by launching air strikes against IS positions, and now it must steel itself for foreign militants to bring the fight to the US.
I do not think that anything will save the country: unless through war and revolution, when those who wish to survive will have to think and act for themselves according to their desperate needs, and not by some rotten yard-stick of convention. – A.C.
August 13th, 2014 at 3:05 pm
GhostOfJefferson
August 13th, 2014 at 2:28 pm
“Dating a beta does not mean having sex with a beta. It means that a beta is allowed to buy her free shit and be seen with her I public on occasion.”
Yes, I know what the stereotype is.
What I’m questioning is how true or prevalent it is. Keep in mind that there is a lot of self selection amongst manosphere readers and commenters.
So, has anyone been able to find historical male average N count data going back over 70 years? Any other ideas on how to verify the n rate of betas during marriage 1.0 as compared to now? Obviously, marriage 1.0 is how most betas got to reproduce. How are blue pill non-alpha, non MGTOW men doing these days compared to the past?
August 13th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
I’m not in the school that calls men 70 years ago beta, sorry, so I have no stats. Men 70 years ago controlled their women, controlled their fate, fought in bars, drank like fish, played poker on Friday nights without asking permission from any woman and often had a mistress or two on the side. Even the peaceful highly Christian men did not put up with the shit even the so called dancing clown “alphas” put up with today from women.
This labeling business only applies today. 70 years ago these “betas” would have kicked your arse and threw it to the curb, then have your girlfriend go fetch them a beer (and she would have, eagerly).
Off topic, I know. I was raised around these types, my grandparents and great grandparents generations. Betas today would not have reproduced back then, given as they are emasculated, effeminate and weak excuses for “men”. Of course, given birth rates today, I stand doubtful that many are even having sex these days. It is all a mess.
August 13th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
It’s always easier to fuck something up than it is to build it.
I’d be more worried about the IS getting its hands on what the Los Alamos boys worked out – even just a dirty version of it – and using it on Israel. Iron Dome = efficient radioactive dispersal.
Hell, even in Gaza itself, as a pyrrhic victory, rendering uninhabitable the dirt strip everyone seems to think is so important.
August 13th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
I only have one data point. Back in the 60s or 70s I read that Jewish men had on average 12 sex partners before they got married and that was because they married later by about a decade.
So one a year.
August 13th, 2014 at 3:39 pm
It’s interesting, GhostofJefferson, how enamored the hipsters are with the iconography of that era though. Dressing like lumberjacks in urban centres, growing long beards, drinking “authentic small batch” whiskeys and strong ales, tatting up like sailors.
Trying, desperately, to reclaim it. Sad.
The greater question is: Who set the gears grinding towards the current state of things?
It has most certainly been engineered.
M Simon, you’re an engineer. Who has been pulling the strings?
August 13th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
They have no masculinity and seem to be trying to compensate for it by displaying the regalia of masculine men. End of the day though just because Richard Simmons puts on a green beret, it doesn’t mean he is a member of the 9th Special Forces.
August 13th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
D-Man
August 13th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
Dirty bombs are over rated. And nukes are not easy even if you have one already assembled.
Why Arabs Lose Wars
http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD_Issues/amdipl_17/articles/deatkine_arabs1.html
Bottom line: culture.
August 13th, 2014 at 3:48 pm
“That has been the warning coming from some lawmakers and defense analysts this week, who argue that the United States has de facto declared war on the Islamic State by launching air strikes against IS positions, and now it must steel itself for foreign militants to bring the fight to the US.”
I know this is not a political blog, but I gotta respond to this…
By definition, radical Islam is at war with the United States, and the Islamic State being part of radical Islam, we are already at war with them. Some people desperately want this to NOT be true, but it’s wishful thinking.
What so many people refuse to understand is that there *is* in fact a war of civilizations going on. Secular democracy (of whatever stripe) and Radical Islam (one can argue how much of Islam is really moderate to need this differentiation) cannot exist on the same planet. Period. To them, there is the realm of Islam, and the realm of people needing to convert, submit or die.
Hell, these fanatics go hog wild on each other over the whole Shia/Sunni split, massacring each other with rabid abandon over ideological disagreements WITHIN THE SAME RELIGION. Does anyone think we can come to an “understanding” with such people? That by laying off them, we’ll “be cool” with each other?
IS is just another head of the Islamic-Fascist hydra. If they are coming here, it is only sooner rather than later, but they indeed will come unless stamped out. Eventually we will realize we need to destroy the body and burn it, rather than lopping off skulls over and over again.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming…
August 13th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
D-Man
August 13th, 2014 at 3:39 pm
As far as I can tell the big money men have dreams of world domination. Their main sticking point is America. If they can’t disarm the nation, a nation of betas is second best. But that only works if they boil the frogs slowly. If the boiling goes too fast….
They also dream of population reduction. Look at Obama’s Science Adviser Holdren in that respect.
The idea of letting ISIS into America would go counter to their plans.
OTOH the current economic conditions keep people depressed. So that helps.
The only way out I see is if the basement boys start businesses. And that is a long shot because you need a measure of alphaness for that.
Or we could get a serious government reduction movement. But again that requires a measure of alphaness.
A revolution in knowledge of the endocannabinoid system could seriously reduce medical costs. But that requires stop gaming and start studying. And then having enough alphaness to spread the word.
It all goes back to what Ghost and I have been saying – in different ways. The basement boys need to want to reclaim their self respect. Don’t play into their hands.
August 13th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
Well, there ya go, good job.
The way your basement boys appear to see it, the big money men’s game is hopelessly rigged, and massively corrupt. And so is the marriage one. So, in their eyes, they ARE showing self-respect by not being suckers. They don’t wanna be anyone’s farm animals.
I guess it’s all optics.
Definitely, more entrepreneurship, less big government.
Rest assured many are working on *cough* empirical research of the endocannabinoid system.
August 13th, 2014 at 4:37 pm
Just got the daughter to give me the “lecture” and got her to tell me that she hadn’t taken any women’s studies courses.
She has bought into the blank slate theory. There is no genetic determination.
August 13th, 2014 at 4:41 pm
D-Man
August 13th, 2014 at 4:32 pm
Of course it is all rigged. And you will not get it unrigged unless you fight.
I favor the Jeffersonian ideal of a nation of small shop keepers and small landholders. We have gone far too far in the European direction of big companies.
The Maker movement is a step in the right direction.
August 13th, 2014 at 5:11 pm
M Simon
August 13th, 2014 at 4:37 pm
“She has bought into the blank slate theory. There is no genetic determination.”
That ‘theory’ is easily falsifiable. In one month old babies, boys spend more time looking at mechanical objects and girls at faces. Same with other primates.
What happened to her intelligence?
August 13th, 2014 at 5:13 pm
Well, look at what my blog Master wrote in 2003.
http://classicalvalues.com/2003/12/some_thoughts_o/
I’ll stay with the word “emo” because I prefer the simplicity of a three letter word. As opposed to (for example), “lonely-clinically-depressed-young-man-whose-lack-of-self-esteem-is-matched-only-by-a-total-hatred-of-all-conformity-and-a-fuck-you-attitude-toward-the-world-with-resultant-refusal-to-engage-in-social-phoniness-who’ll-therefore-never-score-with-women-and-whose-natural-bisexuality-fuels-his-hatred-of-the-hypocrisy-of-everyone-else-so-he-hangs-out-at-gay-bars-and-gets-loaded-and-maybe-hustles-maybe-meets-interesting-people-and-maybe-falls-in-love.”