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		<title>By: The Best of Rational Male – Year Three &#124;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 04:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 01:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rollo,

Thank you for responding to my comments. You responded after &quot;Case Study - Low Expectation&quot; as follows:

&quot;@George, your understanding of hypergamy is based on a feminized definition of the term. You’ll find that hypergamy is much more than simply women’s propensity to ‘marry up’, and is very much the result of the hormonal and neurological particulars of women’s biology.

The Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks dynamic of women’s dualistic sexual strategy is a direct result of women’s biologically prompted, cyclic sexual impulses and evolved needs for optimization of the best genetic breeding opportunity, with the best provisioning and parental investment opportunity available to her.

Hypergamy is simply part of women’s neurological firmware. 

When you consider the overwhelming evidence of women’s sexual preferences and arousal cues during different phases of menstruation (ovulatory shift), plus the mate guarding and contingent sexual strategies and behaviors men have evolved to instinctually counter women’s sexual strategies the conclusion is obvious – hypergamy is rooted in women’s biological make up.&quot;


My response -

This is not to negate, contradict or conflict with what you stated, as some will undoubtedly assume.

Websters defines &quot;hypergamy&quot; as: &quot;marrying into an equal or higher social caste”. Encarta Dictionary English (North America) defines the word as: “a custom in some societies that requires a woman to marry a man of a higher social class than the one to which she belongs”.

You are correct when you stated &quot;your understanding of hypergamy is based on a feminized definition of the term&quot; if you consider the dictionaries to be feminized. Not only is my understanding based on such &quot;feminized definitions&quot;, my understanding is also based on observation of female behavior. Females usually practice hypergamy, males usually do not. In college we commonly referred to various girls as working on their “Mrs.” degrees, and they literally were.

I believe females practice hypergamy mostly in their relationships with “beta providers” and less with the “alphas” they really WANT to fuck. Alpha character in its pure form does not guarantee long term provisioning. People like Corey Worthington (you exemplified him as an “alpha Buddha”) usually do not hold jobs for long and have a more difficult time getting hired to begin with, especially if they continue to behave and respond as such. I believe you are correct in stating that the same girl who &quot;LBJFs&quot; a “nice guy” on religious grounds will fuck the “alpha” she just met at the spring break party...

.....but you are claiming she fucks the “alpha” because hypergamy motivates her to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rollo,</p>
<p>Thank you for responding to my comments. You responded after &#8220;Case Study &#8211; Low Expectation&#8221; as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;@George, your understanding of hypergamy is based on a feminized definition of the term. You’ll find that hypergamy is much more than simply women’s propensity to ‘marry up’, and is very much the result of the hormonal and neurological particulars of women’s biology.</p>
<p>The Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks dynamic of women’s dualistic sexual strategy is a direct result of women’s biologically prompted, cyclic sexual impulses and evolved needs for optimization of the best genetic breeding opportunity, with the best provisioning and parental investment opportunity available to her.</p>
<p>Hypergamy is simply part of women’s neurological firmware. </p>
<p>When you consider the overwhelming evidence of women’s sexual preferences and arousal cues during different phases of menstruation (ovulatory shift), plus the mate guarding and contingent sexual strategies and behaviors men have evolved to instinctually counter women’s sexual strategies the conclusion is obvious – hypergamy is rooted in women’s biological make up.&#8221;</p>
<p>My response &#8211;</p>
<p>This is not to negate, contradict or conflict with what you stated, as some will undoubtedly assume.</p>
<p>Websters defines &#8220;hypergamy&#8221; as: &#8220;marrying into an equal or higher social caste”. Encarta Dictionary English (North America) defines the word as: “a custom in some societies that requires a woman to marry a man of a higher social class than the one to which she belongs”.</p>
<p>You are correct when you stated &#8220;your understanding of hypergamy is based on a feminized definition of the term&#8221; if you consider the dictionaries to be feminized. Not only is my understanding based on such &#8220;feminized definitions&#8221;, my understanding is also based on observation of female behavior. Females usually practice hypergamy, males usually do not. In college we commonly referred to various girls as working on their “Mrs.” degrees, and they literally were.</p>
<p>I believe females practice hypergamy mostly in their relationships with “beta providers” and less with the “alphas” they really WANT to fuck. Alpha character in its pure form does not guarantee long term provisioning. People like Corey Worthington (you exemplified him as an “alpha Buddha”) usually do not hold jobs for long and have a more difficult time getting hired to begin with, especially if they continue to behave and respond as such. I believe you are correct in stating that the same girl who &#8220;LBJFs&#8221; a “nice guy” on religious grounds will fuck the “alpha” she just met at the spring break party&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;..but you are claiming she fucks the “alpha” because hypergamy motivates her to?</p>
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		<title>By: Magent</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 00:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Made an error, Meant to write:

&quot;Thinking you are programmed to lose, you will. It depends on your definition of losing, I guess, but let’s assume you know what the end game is, and you see there is no way to win; what do you do?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Made an error, Meant to write:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thinking you are programmed to lose, you will. It depends on your definition of losing, I guess, but let’s assume you know what the end game is, and you see there is no way to win; what do you do?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: nikochoski</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 19:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Game means nothing if it&#039;s not embedded in your psyche. If it is not second nature, if you have to think about it. It will mean absolutely nothing to you. 

Game played in such a way can get you the girl. It can get you good girls, HB &gt;8, I have no doubt about that. However your game will collapse once you relax in the mists of your relationship with that girl as you relax into your normal self. What is your natural beta self. 

You need to accept the bitter truth of the red pill and swallow it with pride. I hate the fact that people are discussing this. 

The one bitter truth is that female nature will remain unchanged. There is no point in discussing minor points. When you wake up for the coming months or years following your realisation that this is indeed how women work - the world won&#039;t quite feel the same. But you know what, it&#039;s better to wear glasses even if you are used to the blurriness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Game means nothing if it&#8217;s not embedded in your psyche. If it is not second nature, if you have to think about it. It will mean absolutely nothing to you. </p>
<p>Game played in such a way can get you the girl. It can get you good girls, HB &gt;8, I have no doubt about that. However your game will collapse once you relax in the mists of your relationship with that girl as you relax into your normal self. What is your natural beta self. </p>
<p>You need to accept the bitter truth of the red pill and swallow it with pride. I hate the fact that people are discussing this. </p>
<p>The one bitter truth is that female nature will remain unchanged. There is no point in discussing minor points. When you wake up for the coming months or years following your realisation that this is indeed how women work &#8211; the world won&#8217;t quite feel the same. But you know what, it&#8217;s better to wear glasses even if you are used to the blurriness.</p>
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		<title>By: D-Man</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah there are many ways to be offcalibrated, socially, and they shouldn&#039;t all be labelled as spergy.  I don&#039;t necessarily see that here at RM so much, but it can be reflexive elsewhere.

Men who have the nature to dive deep into problems, for the sake of solving the puzzle, and who end up benefiting society enormously, are often most at risk of being taken advantage of, most susceptible to the ploys and barbs of &quot;extreme female brain&quot;.

It&#039;s bad enough that popular equalist thinking often turns a cold shoulder to these guys because they usually tick a few privilege boxes, and thus by Social Justice Warrior calculus, deserve no sympathy.

The game of &quot;out-alpha-ing&quot; the next guy might not be for them, but beta-mitigation skills can be a life-saver.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah there are many ways to be offcalibrated, socially, and they shouldn&#8217;t all be labelled as spergy.  I don&#8217;t necessarily see that here at RM so much, but it can be reflexive elsewhere.</p>
<p>Men who have the nature to dive deep into problems, for the sake of solving the puzzle, and who end up benefiting society enormously, are often most at risk of being taken advantage of, most susceptible to the ploys and barbs of &#8220;extreme female brain&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s bad enough that popular equalist thinking often turns a cold shoulder to these guys because they usually tick a few privilege boxes, and thus by Social Justice Warrior calculus, deserve no sympathy.</p>
<p>The game of &#8220;out-alpha-ing&#8221; the next guy might not be for them, but beta-mitigation skills can be a life-saver.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Har har.  Rollo: may your marriage last forever.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Har har.  Rollo: may your marriage last forever.  </p>
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		<title>By: M Simon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bolte
August 7th, 2014 at 1:18 pm 

Excellent! I might add that engineers are notorious for their lack of social skills. Which fits right in to your point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bolte<br />
August 7th, 2014 at 1:18 pm </p>
<p>Excellent! I might add that engineers are notorious for their lack of social skills. Which fits right in to your point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bolte</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2014 17:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Rollo
I sincerely enjoy reading your blog and I return to the articles and comments ever so often, as it feels like entering realms I couldnt even imagine they existed in our present days. There&#039;s one big issue I have to vent about, however. It started dawning on me during the Elliot Rodger aftermath, elsewhere in the manosphere and specifically on this blog. I say specifically on this blog because I regard you, Rollo, as one of the more laid back and rationally (no pun intended) writing authors among the sphere, and it struck me rather painfully when I read &quot;The Severing&quot;, &quot;BPD&quot; and several other side blows on occasion.

It&#039;s not that I&#039;m feeling butthurt or something, dont get me wrong. But the usual tone with which the so called &quot;spergs&quot; or simply &quot;pergs&quot; are being dismissed with is - fucked up, frankly. I dont blame you personally nor the numerous commenters and other bloggers for blatantly belittling &quot;pergs&quot; here and elsewhere, but I blame the menacing ignorance towards people, specifically men, on the so called autism spectrum.

Before I go into detail let me emphasize that autism is a male issue - as much as that Hans Asperger, the guy who described the syndrome first, thought there wouldnt be any females affected by it at all (which of course was wrong, but there is still a major prevalence of males being affected). Because it&#039;s a male issue, it&#039;s a social non-issue, like prostate cancer vs. cervix cancer etc. That&#039;s how we roll nowadays, right?

Elliot Rodger wasn&#039;t a &quot;perg&quot;. He was mentally ill. Autism isn&#039;t a mental illness. It&#039;s a neurodevelopmental disorder that would probably pass as a &quot;character trait&quot; in most cases, depending on how far you are located on the spectrum. Unlike Rodger, a &quot;perg&quot; simply wouldn&#039;t give a single fuck about people not reciprocating, since he usually has other things than social interactions that reward him much higher, because his neural reward system works in a different mode (google &quot;mirror neurons&quot;) and simply because he LEARNED being that way. All. His. Fucking. Life. Being a &quot;perg&quot; means knowing everyone is normal and YOU are the outcast alien from another planet - from the very first conscious moments on in your life, and way earlier than when you notice being gay, or transgender, or whatever affecting your sexuality. And not the other way around, like Rodger who thought HIS way to think and act was the right one, ending up in taking revenge on those who didnt comply.

That said, coming to terms as a &quot;perg&quot; is a lifelong process. It starts with identifying (!) your situation, often late in your life, accepting it, and then just move the fuck on as you always did, without listening to all those pricks giving you well-meant but poisonous advice. Do you already see the similarities to generally becoming and being a better man? It&#039;s in fact swallowing the red pill on level 2. It&#039;s always a process you have to handle on your own, in a constant loop of identify-learn-and-adapt.

There isn&#039;t a theory of &quot;extreme male brain&quot; (Baron-Cohen) for no reason, to describe the autism spectrum. Researchers conclude that there are signs that being autistic is an overly male-ish way to seeing the world (being mechanistic, rather seeing persons as things, etc., i.e. being rational) whereas being psychotic is an overly female-ish way (being mentalistic, seeing a person&#039;s traits in things, etc., i.e. being rather irrational).

Because of that I wish you would embrace the idea of being &quot;overly male&quot; as something rather positive than unworthy. I&#039;m not talking about Game, alpha, beta or whatsoever, as you know these are learned traits and not innate. A &quot;perg&quot; may more or less easily adapt these things, because it&#039;s what he did his entire life, because the only treatment for autism is mainly about self-understanding, self-acceptance and self-improvement - you won&#039;t change society right away and on your own, but you can change yourself anytime. Does that ring a bell? &quot;pergs&quot; are not socially awkward per se, &quot;pergs&quot; dont have any problems with their nature (society does), and &quot;pergs&quot; are the main fucking reason we&#039;re using microwave ovens, travelling at 500 mph in 30,000 feet altitude, and typing letters into a machine that is able to retrieve and display any fucking information available to mankind. Raw &quot;pergs&quot; are men uncoupled from the social (and to a degree sexual) constraints due to their utter failure at performing interpersonally, sublimating their desires into flying to the fucking moon above instead.

I&#039;m not saying autism can&#039;t be severe, but it&#039;s not the reason people go to a gunshop, buy a glock and freak the hell out on society. People on the spectrum - and I suspect MANY of them are, undiagnosed, in the manosphere - are as capable of emotions and empathy as any &quot;neuro-typical&quot; human being. They just speak a different language in terms of that, lacking reception and emission of certain social cues at varying degrees. Once you&#039;ve found out that you&#039;re on the spectrum, you can go ahead an learn those cues. You&#039;ll never be able to identify them instantly by the means of hard-wired reception mechanics - you have to consciouly THINK rather to feel them - but the outcome is the same. It&#039;s like blind people learn to listen very sharply. And being on the spectrum doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t get laid, hell no. It&#039;s just a matter of training and experience. And autism isn&#039;t about being like Rain Man. The &quot;real&quot; Rain Man, Kim Peek, wasn&#039;t even diagnosed with autism, he was suffering from a chromosome anomaly called FGS. Rain Man is like the worst fucking thing that ever publicly happened to autism awareness.

One thing you can do as a voice of the men, Rollo, is gaining acceptance of autism as just another shape of being male at the least, and raising awareness of it at the most, and please, please not denouncing it as something ill minded school shooters are being afflicted with.

End of rant. I&#039;m putting this here because I dont know where to put it else. It&#039;s written under the Do What the Fuck You Want to Public License http://www.wtfpl.net/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rollo<br />
I sincerely enjoy reading your blog and I return to the articles and comments ever so often, as it feels like entering realms I couldnt even imagine they existed in our present days. There&#8217;s one big issue I have to vent about, however. It started dawning on me during the Elliot Rodger aftermath, elsewhere in the manosphere and specifically on this blog. I say specifically on this blog because I regard you, Rollo, as one of the more laid back and rationally (no pun intended) writing authors among the sphere, and it struck me rather painfully when I read &#8220;The Severing&#8221;, &#8220;BPD&#8221; and several other side blows on occasion.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m feeling butthurt or something, dont get me wrong. But the usual tone with which the so called &#8220;spergs&#8221; or simply &#8220;pergs&#8221; are being dismissed with is &#8211; fucked up, frankly. I dont blame you personally nor the numerous commenters and other bloggers for blatantly belittling &#8220;pergs&#8221; here and elsewhere, but I blame the menacing ignorance towards people, specifically men, on the so called autism spectrum.</p>
<p>Before I go into detail let me emphasize that autism is a male issue &#8211; as much as that Hans Asperger, the guy who described the syndrome first, thought there wouldnt be any females affected by it at all (which of course was wrong, but there is still a major prevalence of males being affected). Because it&#8217;s a male issue, it&#8217;s a social non-issue, like prostate cancer vs. cervix cancer etc. That&#8217;s how we roll nowadays, right?</p>
<p>Elliot Rodger wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;perg&#8221;. He was mentally ill. Autism isn&#8217;t a mental illness. It&#8217;s a neurodevelopmental disorder that would probably pass as a &#8220;character trait&#8221; in most cases, depending on how far you are located on the spectrum. Unlike Rodger, a &#8220;perg&#8221; simply wouldn&#8217;t give a single fuck about people not reciprocating, since he usually has other things than social interactions that reward him much higher, because his neural reward system works in a different mode (google &#8220;mirror neurons&#8221;) and simply because he LEARNED being that way. All. His. Fucking. Life. Being a &#8220;perg&#8221; means knowing everyone is normal and YOU are the outcast alien from another planet &#8211; from the very first conscious moments on in your life, and way earlier than when you notice being gay, or transgender, or whatever affecting your sexuality. And not the other way around, like Rodger who thought HIS way to think and act was the right one, ending up in taking revenge on those who didnt comply.</p>
<p>That said, coming to terms as a &#8220;perg&#8221; is a lifelong process. It starts with identifying (!) your situation, often late in your life, accepting it, and then just move the fuck on as you always did, without listening to all those pricks giving you well-meant but poisonous advice. Do you already see the similarities to generally becoming and being a better man? It&#8217;s in fact swallowing the red pill on level 2. It&#8217;s always a process you have to handle on your own, in a constant loop of identify-learn-and-adapt.</p>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a theory of &#8220;extreme male brain&#8221; (Baron-Cohen) for no reason, to describe the autism spectrum. Researchers conclude that there are signs that being autistic is an overly male-ish way to seeing the world (being mechanistic, rather seeing persons as things, etc., i.e. being rational) whereas being psychotic is an overly female-ish way (being mentalistic, seeing a person&#8217;s traits in things, etc., i.e. being rather irrational).</p>
<p>Because of that I wish you would embrace the idea of being &#8220;overly male&#8221; as something rather positive than unworthy. I&#8217;m not talking about Game, alpha, beta or whatsoever, as you know these are learned traits and not innate. A &#8220;perg&#8221; may more or less easily adapt these things, because it&#8217;s what he did his entire life, because the only treatment for autism is mainly about self-understanding, self-acceptance and self-improvement &#8211; you won&#8217;t change society right away and on your own, but you can change yourself anytime. Does that ring a bell? &#8220;pergs&#8221; are not socially awkward per se, &#8220;pergs&#8221; dont have any problems with their nature (society does), and &#8220;pergs&#8221; are the main fucking reason we&#8217;re using microwave ovens, travelling at 500 mph in 30,000 feet altitude, and typing letters into a machine that is able to retrieve and display any fucking information available to mankind. Raw &#8220;pergs&#8221; are men uncoupled from the social (and to a degree sexual) constraints due to their utter failure at performing interpersonally, sublimating their desires into flying to the fucking moon above instead.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying autism can&#8217;t be severe, but it&#8217;s not the reason people go to a gunshop, buy a glock and freak the hell out on society. People on the spectrum &#8211; and I suspect MANY of them are, undiagnosed, in the manosphere &#8211; are as capable of emotions and empathy as any &#8220;neuro-typical&#8221; human being. They just speak a different language in terms of that, lacking reception and emission of certain social cues at varying degrees. Once you&#8217;ve found out that you&#8217;re on the spectrum, you can go ahead an learn those cues. You&#8217;ll never be able to identify them instantly by the means of hard-wired reception mechanics &#8211; you have to consciouly THINK rather to feel them &#8211; but the outcome is the same. It&#8217;s like blind people learn to listen very sharply. And being on the spectrum doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t get laid, hell no. It&#8217;s just a matter of training and experience. And autism isn&#8217;t about being like Rain Man. The &#8220;real&#8221; Rain Man, Kim Peek, wasn&#8217;t even diagnosed with autism, he was suffering from a chromosome anomaly called FGS. Rain Man is like the worst fucking thing that ever publicly happened to autism awareness.</p>
<p>One thing you can do as a voice of the men, Rollo, is gaining acceptance of autism as just another shape of being male at the least, and raising awareness of it at the most, and please, please not denouncing it as something ill minded school shooters are being afflicted with.</p>
<p>End of rant. I&#8217;m putting this here because I dont know where to put it else. It&#8217;s written under the Do What the Fuck You Want to Public License <a href="http://www.wtfpl.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wtfpl.net/</a></p>
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