The first mate and I do not have an open marriage. We had an open courtship. My theory was that I didn’t want her wondering – “could I have done better?” I still ask her that. She says with certainty, “No.” Now why did I keep adding to my string when I was going with her? Well I enjoyed it for one. And the other was that she couldn’t be complacent if she knew I had other options.

Now if she did still want to “wander” it wouldn’t bother me. As long as I was kept informed. But once children came she lost all interest in checking out the possibilities. And funny enough – although I had opportunities I didn’t use them. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that starting a family with her was a conscious decision on my part. But I still have options. And should she give me a shit test too far I would certainly take advantage. She knows it. I make sure of that.

1. The women are broken. On this we all agree.

I think more correctly is that they work differently that the “official” manual suggests. Broken would imply that the form does not fit the function. When in fact the form exactly fits the function.

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#2 son and I discuss game. Last time was when I jokingly (it was no joke) suggested that he find a couple of girls and settle down. The first mate was there. I have been teaching her game. She giggled.

“I’ll note she dodged or deflected ALL of my points/questions.”

I didn’t. You made no point other than present as an alternative to Red Pilldom a caricature of relationship (marriage) where a man is completely disempowered. I pointed out that this was an example of either/or, black-and-white thinking.

“She never gave a clear answer what her purpose in commenting here was.”

My purpose is the same as yours (presumably): to exchange opinions with others on the subject of male-female relationships, specifically as they apply to Red Pilldom (as is the subject of this site).

“She completely declined offering up a definition of a “successful” relationship.”

If you read my comment(s) further, you’d see that I did so, although not directly in response to you (being successful is not being rejected by women, which is a first step).

But if you want a more specific answer, successful relationships are how you define them. For some, it is a monogamous marriage (I am in that camp), for others, like M Simon, it is a version of an open marriage, with First Mate and others on the side.

It means (or should) that arguments and opinions are evaluated on their merits and not on their source, PC-ness, or adherence to group-think. That’s to be appreciated.

Ha. I really thought she was a HUS commenter, maybe even Giggles herself as she is mimicking several of her memes “narcissists”, “sociopaths” or “aspies”.

I’ll note she dodged or deflected ALL of my points/questions. She never gave a clear answer what her purpose in commenting here was. She completely declined offering up a definition of a “successful” relationship.

One thing I’ve found.with basically ALL women who comment on intergender dynamics issues especially speaking to men is that they can hop on the freight train of criticism about why something is wrong or doesn’t work, but when it comes time to offer specific solutions all you hear are crickets. The best they can do is offer up vague generalities and meaningless platitudes like Mart offered up in this thread.

Re “Aspies” this has become so overused and misapplied and truthfully Roissy does this as well. This has actually become a standard shaming tactic when applied to debate and discussion. If you are God forbid, intellectual, rational, and logica then you must be “Aspie”. It is way to turn a discussion into emotional rhetoric and away from dialectic. I am personally very well acquainted with someone with Asberger’s (who incidentally is very high IQ) and there are very specific things about people with Asberger’s that go well beyond simply being intellectual or even nerdy.

There is a thread over at Dalrock’s where Novaseeker talks about how among guys his son’s age (15) the red pill outlook is quite common. I think some women are very threatened. There will always be lots of blue-pill manginas, but at the margins they are decreasing and it will have an impact.