“Don’t be mad E. It’s not our fault you were born without the sport fucking gene, come on.”
At the start of July, 2011 (a month before I began this blog in earnest) I took a backpacking trip through the Great Smokey Mountains in Tennessee and North Carolina. This was due to my desire to unplug, go off the grid and get back into the real face-to-face world. It was only for 10 days but well worth burning 10 days of PTO for.
It was an educational experience meeting people, most of whom have very little online presence beyond using Twitter or FaceBook occasionally. I didn’t have cell service for most of the hike. The people I met along the way, and I’ll put this politely, were “salt of the earth” people. Some were other hikers, others were people who lived and worked in the few surrounding communities. It was good to reaffirm my ability to survive on my own and realize that there is a whole world of Men out there who live well, far beyond the influence of “men” who’ve never mowed their own lawns, much less lived by their own wit in the country. Guys who build muscle by working outdoors, not in a gym. I met beautiful women who worked in small diners you’ll never hear of. I fished rivers and streams, for dinner some nights, and I saw fireflies for the first time (I grew up in southern California, it’s a novelty).
At some point I think Men need to get back to their primal natures, they need to embrace it fearlessly and without shame. We’re far too insulated by the Buffers of technology. Even the more belligerent rednecks I encountered still preferred to text their girlfriends and came off as pussified for doing so.
I guess what I’ve come to realize is that we tend to view what we ‘know’ about men and women from the experiences we have reported to us from all over the world on blogs, forums, the manosphere – and I still endorse the purpose of it’s unwritten mission – however, this trip reaffirmed for me that there is no substitute for real interaction. Game will work equally well with the cute blonde serving coffee in a rural diner as it would with the club girl in NYC. Both are equally given to the same feminine fundamentals we’ve untangled about women in the ‘sphere for over a decade, but the one we tend to use as a female archetype is the typical club girl for our examples. Daisy Duke is still subject to hypergamy, she just applies it differently.
I’m not turning into Roosh, but I’m considering burning a couple months doing the entire Appalachian trail all the way to Maine.
In my day to day life I deal with a lot of rich men. Every patron or boss, every general manager I’ve dealt with for the past 15 years has been a millionaire. The primary owner of one of my liquor brand is that many times over. None of the “business friends” I shoot golf with have weeded their own lawns or installed a radiator in 20+ years. When I was on the trail I thought about how ridiculous it would be to see a guy like that or some PUA guru having to dig his own toilet and take a dump in the woods, or hoist his pack in a tree so the damn bears don’t eat the only food he’s got for the next 3 days. These guys are insulated.
I want to run, and fight, and fuck, as well as I deal with the ‘civilized’ things I do. Imagine a guy like Mystery wringing out the sweat and filth of his clothes in a stream somewhere. Now, that’s some funny shit.
Game and Circumstance
I start off with this today because this experience wasn’t just humbling, but it also taught me that what I experience day to day isn’t at all what a majority of men experience. My past, my N count, my 18 year marriage, and what I do professionally sets me apart in a way that I sometimes don’t appreciate or take into consideration when I’m advising men.
It’s also very humbling and affirming when I receive emails or comments from men living in countries I’ve only seen in pictures who nevertheless share a common male experience that reinforces many of the things I write about – but even within that commonality, I have to remember, my circumstance is not theirs.
I walk through a casino almost every day now and I see the same people. Not the fun glamour you see in commercials or ads about Las Vegas (that’s usually night promos), but the real people, the overweight, housekeeping and table crew, the geriatric spending their savings and social security on a hope they’ll win something significant, the desperate and the people just looking for distraction.
I walk by some of these men and think “how is Game going to help a guy like that?” While I do believe that Game is universally beneficial on many levels (primarily between the sexes, but not exclusively) there’s a point where that improvement is going to be limited by a guy’s circumstance, where he is in life and what he’s made of it so far. It’s a manosphere cliché now, but most men aren’t ready for the red pill. The red pill awareness is simply too much for them to accept within the context of their circumstances.
That circumstance isn’t based on age or a particular demographic, but Game is only going to be as liberating for a man in as far as he’s willing to accept it in terms of his own circumstance.
Not Just Sex
Game gets a lot of misconstrued criticism in that ignorant critics presume Game only ever equals PUA and that “those guys are only interested in fucking as many low self-esteem sluts as humanly possible.” It’s much more difficult for them to confront that Game is far more than this, and applicable within relationships, in the workplace (with women and men) and even in their family dealings.
That’s kind of a scary prospect for men comfortable in living within their own contexts and circumstance. Sport fucking isn’t what most men think it is because they’ve never experienced anything beyond serial monogamy, nor is it what most (80%+ Beta) men even have the capacity to actualize for themselves. But, as Game has evolved, it isn’t just about Spinning Plates, or sport fucking, it’s more encompassing than this.
Game is, or should be, for the everyman.
“He only wants me for sex” or “I need to be sure he’s interested in me and not just sex” are the admonishments of women who really have no introspective interest in how a majority of men really approach becoming intimate with women. Oh it makes for a good rationale when women finally “want to get things right” with a provider, but even the excuse belies a lack of how most men organize their lives to accommodate women’s schedules of mating.
Mostly to their detriment, the vast majority of men follow a deductive,but anti-seductive, Beta Game plan of comfort, identification, familiarity and patience with women in the hopes that what they hear women tell them is the way to their intimacy will eventually pan out for them. Their Beta Game plan is in fact to prove they “aren’t just in it for the sex” in order to get to a point of having sex with a particular woman.
I always find it ironic when men tell me that their deductive plan for getting after it with a woman is to prove he’s not actually trying to get after it with her. However, this is what most men’s Game amounts to; deductively attempting to move into a long term monogamy based on what women, saturated in a presumption of gender equalism, tell him he ought to expect from himself in order to align himself with her intimate interest.
I could use the term “appeasement”, but that’s not what most men want to call it. Most men call it being a better man (for her), better than “other guys” who wont align themselves accordingly. It becomes their point of pride in fact.
Male Long Term Security
Most men, average men – and I don’t mean that in a derogatory sense – want a form of security.
Most men are designed, perhaps bred, to be necessitous. To be sure , men need to be constant performers, constant qualifiers, in order to mitigate hypergamy. In the past, and to an extent now, this performance simply became a part of who he was as a man and didn’t require a constant effort, but increasingly, as male feminization has spread, men have been made to be necessitous of security.
I would say that desire for long term security differs significantly from women’s Beta Bucks side of hypergamy need since the drive to secure provisioning is an innate part of women’s firmware. The security average men need is rooted in a need for certainty in his ability to meet with a woman’s performance standards – and ultimately avoid feminine rejection.
In today’s feminine-centric social order, men are ceaselessly bombarded with masculine ridicule, ceaselessly reminded of their inadequacies, and endlessly conditioned to question and doubt any notion of how masculinity should be defined – in fact ridicule is the first response for any man attempting to objectively define it.
It’s this doubt, this constant consideration of his own adequacy to meet the shifting nature of women’s hypergamic drive, from which stems this need for security. The average man needs the certainty of knowing that he meets and exceeds a woman’s prerequisites in a social circumstance that constantly tells him he never will – and his just asking himself the question if he ever will makes him that much less of a man.
The average man will look for, or create his own rationales to salve this necessitousness. He’ll create his own ego in the image of what he thinks he embodies best as being “Alpha” or he’ll adopt the easy doctrines of equalism which tell him women and men are fundamentally the same rational actors and convince himself he’s not subject to the capricious whims of feminine hypergamy because men and women are more ‘evolved’ than that– but that nagging doubt will manifest when the right circumstances and right opportunities present themselves.
Changing Your Programming
I mention in the book that I am not a motivational speaker, I’m not anyone’s savior and I would rather men be the self-sustaining solutions to becoming the men they want and need to be – not Rollo Tomassi’s success stories, but their own success stories.
That said, let me add that I would not be writing what I do if I thought that biological determinism, circumstance and social conditioning were insurmountable factors in any Man’s life. Men can accomplish great things through acts of will, they can be masters of their circumstances and most importantly masters of themselves.
With a healthy understanding, respect and awareness of what influences his own condition, a Man can overcome and thrive within the context of them – but he must first be aware of, and accepting of, the conditions under which he operates and maneuvers.
You may not be able to control the actions of others, you may not be able to account for women’s hypergamy, but you can be prepared for them, you can protect yourself from the consequences of them and you can be ready to make educated decisions of your own based upon that knowledge.
You can unplug.
You can change your programming, and you can live a better life no matter your demographic, age, past regrets or present circumstances.
July 10th, 2014 at 10:45 am
@novaseeker
“Again, no-one is saying that it isn’t *harder* if you are short.”
This is no the point. The message of “game” is that you have TO DO something in order to have women. This is precisely the message feminine imperative wants you to believe. Men erected the fucking civilization in order to “earn” women.
The truth is – If you are attractive YOU NEED NOT TO DO ANYTHING. You just fucking grab her and fuck her! She will do all the work for you. Of course when you want trophy chick then you have to do some things, but 7/8s will fuck you..provided you let them!
This is the core difference between attractive man and average “gamer”. If you are attractive AND you are actively pursuing women, you know what to do…ypo have “game” you can bed 100 and more chicks.
The message is not that if you are not adonis you can not bed pretty chick. You can be her type, you can be in the right time and place, etc..you have chance. But you simply will not enjoy the same status as an attractive man, irrespective of the level of your “game”. He is aggresively pursued by women everywhere, he does not “game” women he is gamed by them!
Final thought to the importance of looks for both genders:
Would a man date/have children with beautifull mass murder, drug dealer, whore, etc.? Many men would not even fuck her, others would fuck her but almost nobody would DATE her.
Women would obsess over mass murders, drug dealers, LOOSERS with no job and money, etc…provided that they are HOT! They are sending them marriage proposals….ignoring ALL their defects in personality, confidence, moral values, money, status, etc.
So, which gender is more into the “looks” department. Of course – women as a genetic filter. They HAVE to be! Good looks – good genes. Hypergamy does not allow them to take into account abstract values as morals, justice, ehm..perosnality, etc ..when facing genetic perfection.
Once betas understand that woman would offer herself on a silver plate when she wants you, they might loose motiovation to care and provide for women. But women need those slaves to extract resources from them. Therefore they protect the truth about the importance of looks for them. Wise tactics for them! Let those who have eyes to see.
July 10th, 2014 at 10:49 am
Jf12:
1. Not every unattractive man has glaring defects (like an overbite or a bad nose) that can be singled out and fixed. The aesthetics of a face are a delicate balance of many features, and many things can’t be changed with current technologies (or might be made worse)
2. Of course, it’s not socially acceptable for guys to get cosmetic surgery. It is for women, and they can use makeup to completely change their appearance, but men have to be “natural” (even though standards are higher for us… most guys will find any slim woman attractive if her face isn’t a complete train wreck ..)
3. It’s very expensive, especially when getting into maxillofacial stuff. Not everyone has $30,000 lying around, or by the time they do they will be too old for it to matter (over 30)
4. Recovery time can be prolonged
5. Complications can be disastrous, and there’s no guarantee things will turn out the way they were supposed to when the swelling goes down
July 10th, 2014 at 10:52 am
Rollo
In today’s feminine-centric social order, men are ceaselessly bombarded with masculine ridicule, ceaselessly reminded of their inadequacies, and endlessly conditioned to question and doubt any notion of how masculinity should be defined – in fact ridicule is the first response for any man attempting to objectively define it.”””””””””
that sure ring true
July 10th, 2014 at 11:00 am
@ narec and the “looks matter crowd”.
you have very weak minds, that is what you are being judged on.
currently i’m about 15 pounds into what I call the 40pound challenge. my theory is that you can be WAY too attractive for women when your mind is unfucked and strong. (keep reading, you will get there)
observations so far is that the quality of females giving blatant IOI’s is going up and the age has dropped to high teens.
merely by being approachable. women want to be the attractive one in the relationship so take that ugly face and let em.
whats going to be interesting is if and when i hit the psychological damage rubicon where the weight gain may signal damage instead of abundance.
fortunately i have a ton of muscle which makes the loss easy, so i figured it would be a very interesting experiment. plus i get to drink a ton of beer lolol.
July 10th, 2014 at 11:07 am
@Tilikum
don’t become an alcoholic lolzlozlzolzolzolzozlzolzzz
that might kind of skew the experiment a bit
July 10th, 2014 at 11:14 am
@gregi
nah im a happy drunk! good emotions all around.
July 10th, 2014 at 11:28 am
Here’s an example of how height is the holy grail of what constitutes male beauty. Also pay attention to how she calls a 5’8” man to be short, when its the average in a lot of places(Spain being one example). Yes, he bedded her, and many others, probably due to his very likely prison record and anti-social personality.
http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/2014/07/its-time-we-sent-all-short-men-to-the-gas-chambers/
I know of some guys who have a physical dislike for obese women, but I’ve never seen any man call out for the eradication of obese women. Not only would it signify killing off the majority of the female population in any given Country..buty it would also be wrong. Compare that to how even Susan Wlash who has the most beta of all husbands wouldn’t go lower than 6 feet. Her husband is in fact 6’3”. Her son turned out as a 6’3” and she doesn’t understand how a man’s height is similar in attractiveness as a desfigured/horribly burned face, but that’s because she has a son of that height. Prior to having a short son born she was only sleeping with tall and taller, lol.
July 10th, 2014 at 11:45 am
You mean like these guys?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/fashion-and-style/10954824/Its-not-easy-being-a-spornosexual-man.html
Hypergamy + Feminism = Spornosexual Men
Hey, don’t hate, they’re just responding to market shifts in the SMP.
July 10th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Tilikum’s post is a good example of normalfags who have no idea what it’s like to be ugly
-he is condescending throughout
-he uses the cliche “women can sense your weak mindset” that is complete bullshit. Women make assessments of guys within .1 seconds by physical appearance just like we do
-he ignores his own advantages
-he focuses on fixable, easy stuff like body fat
-finally he makes a completely baseless statement that “women want ugly guys cause it makes them feel better”, despite this being contradicted by biology, society, culture, and the observations of anyone who’s left the house in the past 10 years.
If you woke up looking like me, you’d go into hard drugs and eventually commit suicide due to the lack of attention u take for granted now
July 10th, 2014 at 11:52 am
@narec,re: “The aesthetics of a face are a delicate balance of many features”
All I am hearing from you guys on this issue is blah blah blah and there’s a hole in my bucket, in a whiny girl voice. Excuses why you aren’t doing something that YOU say should be done, is not merely defeatist it’s downright ignorant.
July 10th, 2014 at 11:56 am
This is no the point. The message of “game” is that you have TO DO something in order to have women. This is precisely the message feminine imperative wants you to believe. Men erected the fucking civilization in order to “earn” women.
The truth is – If you are attractive YOU NEED NOT TO DO ANYTHING. You just fucking grab her and fuck her! She will do all the work for you. Of course when you want trophy chick then you have to do some things, but 7/8s will fuck you..provided you let them!
And?
Presumably if you were so magically attractive, you would be doing fine with women, so you wouldn’t need to do anything to improve your chances. The reality, however, is that plenty of taller, good looking guys still have struggled with women due to personality/approach/frame. And if you aren’t the tall/good looking/natural type, yes, you do need to do something to attract women — that is become more attractive to women. It’s not a hard concept to understand. No-one who has ever advanced the usefulness of Game has ever said that looks do not matter, or that Game can get every man laid with an HB 10. Not in the least. What is said, however, is that it helps you do better than otherwise. If you are truly a guy who has no trouble attracting women, just keep doing what you’re doing obviously. For everyone else, there’s Game.
Again, the alternative is to say “no, it’s just about looks 100%, so I can therefore justify not improving myself because it doesn’t matter”, and take the easy way out, and then berate women for having standards you aren’t meeting. If you want to do that, go right ahead. It becomes a self-defeating, self-fulfilling prophecy, however, and it’s roundly contradicted by the experience of many men who are average looking and have seen their performance with women improve substantially by improving themselves and making themselves more attractive.
I know of some guys who have a physical dislike for obese women, but I’ve never seen any man call out for the eradication of obese women. Not only would it signify killing off the majority of the female population in any given Country..buty it would also be wrong.
Oh, pfft. I’ve probably seen it written hundreds if not thousands of times in the manosphere. Look, if you want to be on a jihad against women who are not attracted to you because you are short, go right ahead, but rest assured that the attitude that this develops in you is much less attractive to *all* women than being short is.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
Jf12:
What am I supposed to? I go to the gym regularly, I put myself out there, but I still get treated like a second-class citizen socially and I get rejected by girls. I even started to abuse steroids, I’m so desperate. But the good-looking guys get all the attention and all the pussy. The same handsome players pumping and dumping girls that don’t even see me as human. Nothings changed, and this is almost 10 years of “self-improvement”.
Self-improvement is usually a lot of placebo mixed in with a good dose of mental masturbation. The only guys that benefit are the ones that have potential in the first place, like a male model face hiding under a bunch of fat. I’m still trying, otherwise I wouldn’t even bother with sites like this, but that’s all that is.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
@Novaseeker, re: “It’s not a hard concept to understand.”
I agree. In fact, probably the bluest of blue pill doctrine is that you have to be a “better” man to get women to behave better. You have to be taller, handsomer, richer, nicer, lovier, bringer-flowerser, chorer-doerer, etc. When in fact what works is being a “worser” man: more selfish, more taking, more dark triad, if you can life with yourself that way.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:20 pm
Mate, IOIS don’t mean anything. They are tools women use subconsciously to attract free male attention. They pretend to be interested or they verbally/physically instigate a man to approach them, to pursue them, and then they reject the guy.
I’m 5’7” an inch shorter than the average ’round here. I’m not obese – unlike the majority of men – and I have all of my hair. I haven’t been in my 20s since last year. Last year I was taking classes in a mostly female University, with a large percentage of those females coming from Germany, Sweden, Italy and so forth. You know, the most beautiful women in the world. Many of them noticed my existence. They would give me signals of interest like looking at me from head to toe and repeating the movement. Smiling for nor reason.
Or how in the subway and in the bus women would stare at me, with a few putting themselves in front of me and staring. Inviting me to make a move so they could reject me for that ego-boost, to allow themselves to gather the necessary courage to ask a real Alpha to sleep with them.
How do I know these iois were just attention-whoring? Well, to start with:
1: When a woman is attracted to a man(younger women at least) they pull him out of his way and have their way with him.
2. They don’t provoke you, instigate you to chase them and then tell you they have a boyfriend, lol.
3. When you ask them out they get angry at you.
Two of the most peculiar instances of women showing strong and consistent ‘iois” were;
1)A natural blonde girl 20 years old. A bit chubby, a 7 at the most. Could have gone up to a 9.5 if she would leave food alone for a minute. She was highly feminine, would show up at 7 in the morning with her hair done, smelling wonderfully and with complimenting clothes.
First time she saw me she ”’checked me out” wouldn’t leave me out of her sight. She made it possible for me to see her underwear as she was sitting down. She would rub herself against me for no reason at all. I made a move, knowing I was going to get rejected. She says she has a boyfriend.
Second girl, this one was reaching her late SMV era, 24 years old, natural blonde, with a 5 face. She was 5’10” and well-built. Not manly so, but with a stronger build than I’ve seen in young and slender men.
She would blush when I’d look at her. She would ask to spend time with me. She would ask me if I thought she was attractive. I’d seen her stare at from the corner of her eye. I ”made” a move on her. She went from being a friendly person to displaying resentment for me. Heck, she was even mad at me for assuming she was interested in me.
The thing is, I made ”a move” on them to show the younger men who would see this festival of ”sexual tension” as one of the guys put it, to prove to them that women are all talk, no action. The way it turned out didn’t bother me. I was already too much attuned to porn by my mid 20s to really feel sexual attraction/frustration for the women whose name wasn’t Sasha Gray or Stoya, so I laughed it off.
Most women nowadays either don’t know how to make pleasant conversation without coming out as being sexually interested in a man, or they know what they are doing and then play the innocent role when someone calls them out on their attention-whoring behaviors. Most of them have found out that they get the most attention cookies when they act sexually promiscuous women, hence why I’d see women in college walking around almost naked(I’ve seen street-walkers dress more demurely) and then wondering why men are interested in having sex with them(and probably wondering why the Alpha males aren’t interested in them for nothing more than a roll in the hay).
Women don’t really have the self-awareness or the understanding of how powerful the male sex drive is and they also aren’t aware that as a man leaves the folly of being in his 20’s, grows accustomed to female beauty and develops his own inner sense of how the female sexuality works – that the cascade of free male attention begins to dwindle as they enter they early 20’s and is terminally cut off as women reaches their late 20s.
This is how I see it.
If a man is good-looking or tall, and a woman is showing signs of interest, then sure. She’s probably attracted to him. Go for it. If a man has an average face, and is of average height – she’s doing it for the attention.
If the man is short or has an ugly face – you better not be found in the presence of any women, for if you do you might end up in jail.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
Sorry, i meant to say that the son Susan Walsh had is 5’6” and has spent more money on his current girlfriend than on his car. Mrs Walsh has claimed her son to have spent a lot of money on his girlfriend, and I loosely quote ”Vagina is expensive for men.”
Not for the men I grew up with.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:30 pm
@narec, if you’re willing and able to abuse steroids then you should have no qualms getting hgh. It works better if you’re under 25, in which case the typical bodybuilder abuse level of hgh for only two months will alter your face quite a bit towards caveman: brow ridge, skull bumps, lumpy jaw buildup, etc.
I agree self improvement to be a better man per se doesn’t help with women, because women are so broken. And literally good i.e. moral men also cannot be the most successful with women (sucess defined as more women doing more of what the man wants). What works is being bad. A handsome man can be good and still have limited success with women, but not even close to how much he could get if he decided to be bad.
The thug look is not a handsome look, despite your qualms. An unsymmetrical caveman gorilla-looking inarticulate ham-fisted hole-in-wall puncher is going to get much more sex than he can handle provided he keeps a firm pimp hand. If you can live with yourself that way.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:34 pm
”What am I supposed to? I go to the gym regularly, I put myself out there, but I still get treated like a second-class citizen socially and I get rejected by girls. I even started to abuse steroids, I’m so desperate. But the good-looking guys get all the attention and all the pussy. The same handsome players pumping and dumping girls that don’t even see me as human. Nothings changed, and this is almost 10 years of “self-improvement”.”
Men have the inborn quality to adapt to any given situation. Most men who lived, from the day Humanity showed up on this planet until now did not reproduce. Fair to say a very great deal of them never received any female attention and still they thrived. A man’s sex drive is at his most strong moment in his early 20s and it doesn’t help that he’s sent off to college, which have mostly women as students, and women do love to tease and provoke men.
That sucks, but its bearable for most men. Nowadays most men are making do with porn and video games. I skipped college in my late teens, began to work for my family. I avoided women for most of my youth so I didn’t become a vagina-chaser/addicted to women like many men are or become like. In my late 20s I went back to college and I was relieved to discover that my eyes are still working but my penis and my hormones are well-under control and don’t respond in a primal fashion to the women who are in their prime. I’m far more well-prepared to wisthand the onslaught of wallet-seeking former Alpha male groupies as I enter my 30s and women grow more and more desperate to find a sucker.
I see myself more of a grass-eating man, much like the Western version of the Japanese herbivore man.
You have two options. Accept the facts as they are and concentrate on making the best out of you(study, work, save money) and dabble in post-wall women when you turn 30 for fun and a quick lay, or spend whatever it takes in effort, patience and ”game” to try to bed the women who have the looks and the youth to be choosy.
I don’t judge anyone. Alright, I admit that It brings me quite a dark pleasure to see my friends complain and whine about their married life, but I was never a sucker. I was just careful enough to not become a dark triad = Jail/getting my teeth kicked in by a white knight, lol.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:35 pm
@PVH re: “She would rub herself against me for no reason at all.”
To pretend that you couldn’t close after this is ridiculous, frankly. You have a problem, clearly, and it’s not your attractiveness.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
narec,´
I know you’re going through a hard time. It is not easy as a young man to be surrounded by women who not only are far-better looking than any of the women who lived prior to the 20th century, but that you are constantly hounded by a media that aggressively pushes you to be sexually aroused all of the time, by showing placards above your head with women who are nearly naked, women in deodorant commercials being naked for no reason etc.
It also doesn’t help that unless you are in one of the STEM areas or in medicine in college, you don’t have guys to hang out with and instead you are forcibly made to spend time with women, listening to their sweetened voices and being the target of their constant pursuit for attention and validation. I went to college when I was 18, looked around me, saw college for the feminized breeding grounds that college is and went back to make money. I returned to official education after mastering my sex drive, it made my presence in those grounds much easier. Maybe you should do the same?
As for the guys not understanding your mentality and your attitudes concerning women: its only natural.
My Alpha friends, the male models, were always asking me why I didn’t hit on any of the girls. Firstly, because they all looked like the 20 year old sister of Angelina Jolie, secondly because I had already been shut down by women in my league and lower, only to witness women who ”had a boyfriend” or ”weren’t ready for anything yet” blow one of my buddies in some seedy street corner, lol.
Its not easy when everyone around you is at least 6’3” and look like the Hulk, the Brazilian player, or Thomas Múller, the German god. You get used to it. You might even find yourself with a lot of free time and a desire to see yourself grow. Learn a new foreign language, develop your artistic side. Pussy is probably the most powerful drug known to Man, and the better-looking the woman is, the more addictive that drug is. But most men don’t really like women. There’s nothing much to like. The men who treat women the best think they are going to get laid by doing so, and the men who have women by the handful are scornful of women and see them as a pussy with a name, nothing more.
July 10th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
”To pretend that you couldn’t close after this is ridiculous, frankly. You have a problem, clearly, and it’s not your attractiveness.”
Nah, she was an attention-seeking whore, like most of the women who are younger than 35. She did the same to a 33 year old guy who was bald, short and skinny, the guy also had messed-up teeth. Its impossible for a woman who is a 7, a natural blonde, and also with the potential to become a 9.5 to feel sexual attraction for a man who is in the low end of all that makes a man attractive(ugly face included).
July 10th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
And the guy had no game. He didn’t speak much to her. It was only after she began to pay him attention that he opened the gates of the free attention. Its cute when I visit facebook and I begin a wall-conversation with the dude. She immediately sneaks herself into the conversation. Man, I know some guys who did hard drugs, but women take it to an extreme. I sorta pity the guy who’ll marry her.
July 10th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
Shit tests? Come on. Women put up a sexual resistance towards the men they aren’t interested on. When a woman is sexually attracted to a man – which rarely happens – she’s not going to miss the chance to get sex from the man who made her sexually turned on.
When I was 23 I met a French 18 year old woman. She was 5’8” a natural blonde, with a very beautiful face and the biggest boobs any man had seen. She had even had surgery at the age of 17 to remove a large part of her breasts because she was gaining back problems.
She had met her first boyfriend at the age of 16. He was ugly as sin, with a pot belly at the age of 24, had a clerk job, and lived with his parents. On the other hand, he was 6’6” and that is enough for the women who aren’t in wallet-seeking mode and have the money to support themselves – or are supported by daddy.
Obviously I wasn’t going to be interested in her. I don’t fall from ladders because I don’t put myself on top of a ladder. I do have a very voyeur nature(aha) and I introduced her to a Brazilian friend of mine, to see what would happen.
He was 6’2” or something, had the face of Cristiano Ronaldo, worked part-time as a model and was trying to get his high school degree at the age of 21. She was massively in love with her boyfriend of 2 years. 2 weeks after being introduced to my friend she was banging him. What shit test was involved? None. I spent most of the time with them as the lookout in case the boyfriend showed up. I slept with them on the same couch and I laughed my butt off as I witnessed her pulling him into my other friend’s bathroom to have sex with him. She wasn’t a skank. Her parents were still together and she had been raised properly.
Eventually the boyfriend found out and he dumped her. She moved to Prague and wrote to me how there were so many hot guys and how many guys she banged.
See, the sexual nature of women is evident for every man who wants to see. Women don’t shit-test the men they want to sleep with, they only shit-test the men whom they are lukewarm about and they mainly do it as a form of feminist entertainment.
What was really funny was that, after she got dumped, she tried to date my friend, and he said no. Then she began to flirt with me.
Darling, you don’t go from a guy who looks like that, to a guy who looks like this, and honestly believe the guy believes you to have a real, sexual interest in him, lol. Anyway, I don’t think I would have touched her even if she was drunk and wasn’t all that selective in that moment in time. When one tastes the most exquisite of drugs, he probably will spend the rest of his time trying to acquire it again, or being chained to it.
July 10th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
Narec – if you have an antagonistic chip on your shoulder towards women (as opposed to some greater, more important adversary) – they can sense it, and that’s about the most unattractive thing in the universe for them. They don’t want to be with a guy who’s angry at women.
Indifference is king, slight benevolence is even better.
If you could, with genuine indifference, laugh off some chick’s (unusual, but it happens) brutal angry in-field rejection while saying ‘OK, OK (while laughing) have a good day’ and then walking off with a smile – that’s what I’m talking about. Can you see yourself being this carefree?
July 10th, 2014 at 1:39 pm
@novaseeker
we are speaking about the same, I agree with you. But the following:
“No-one who has ever advanced the usefulness of Game has ever said that looks do not matter, or that Game can get every man laid with an HB 10.”
is not the truth. Rollo is one of the minority that accepts the importance of genetics – looks. Just try to go to roissy and tell that looks are important. You will be banned from comment section.
Game – aka knowldege about how women operate, what is important for them, how to push for sex, etc. HELPS! No issue about that. If you are attractive and have weak personality, etc, you can still struggle with pretty women. Again – truth. BUT – looks are of PRIME importance to women and if you have looks and are not handicapped by weak personality, beautifull women are there for you. Even if you have looks and are not very confident, there would be women that will try to catch you.
If you are average and have game, etc…you can bed some women, sometimes even hot ones. If you make a lot of approaches, you can bed more of them. But – If you have looks and normal personality, you would be bedded by women. If you have looks and aggressive personality, world is your fucking harem. And – If you have looks and game..god helps all women.
July 10th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
@Professor…
http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/09/08/relationshipstrategies/35-crap-excuses-for-lying-and-cheating/#comment-1000551571
July 10th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
I think the main reason guys lash out in such a way towards looks is because they’ve been told throughout their entire lives or “pick up” careers that looks don’t matter as much as game. Every man out there that games, goes after young women and in doing so, will inevitably come to the harsh (depending on your attractiveness) reality that looks do in fact matter. These truths are shunned throughout the pua-shpere and in some places of the manosphere.
This is a dark truth that many PUAs don’t want to spread because it will lead to a loss of cash flow for them, because let’s be honest, that’s what it’s really all about in these markets. It isn’t so much about inspiring people, it’s simply put, just a business and a good one at that. What product(s) are they selling? Nothing really. They’re just selling dreams like a good con-artist would. Most of these guys are con artist who pump “good feels” into a room and call it a seminar for self-help. I don’t want to name any names or blogs because I don’t want Rollo’s blog to catch heat for this, but it’s a shame these guys go to great lengths by banning people who speak the truth. It’s sort of ironic how some of these places call themselves “red-pilled” when in fact, they’re only red-pill when it’s convenient for them.
Rollo’s blog and Chris’ blog (goodlookingloser) are two places that I will always respect because they tell it like it is and still give alternatives to help you out physically. That and commentators (most of them at least) also discuss real issues with no sugar coating or circle-jerking. On the other hand, you have most places that will tell you not too focus too much on looks and put all your energy on game, since that’s what really matters. It’s a complete joke.
I never thought so many guys would end up waking up from this PUA facade but that seems to be the case now. It’s only a matter of time before the facade is unveiled to the public.
July 10th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
I forgot to mention that, as I’ve stated before, looks weight heavily into the “genuine desire” equation of things. Ugly guys will eventually find out that they’re entire courtship with women was on a transactional basis and not one of genuine desire. It’s a very uncomfortable truth to acknowledge.
Does she deny you blowjobs, deny you some positions, doesn’t ride you hard, or puts less effort in general to sex with you? Well, you’re dealing with a girl who isn’t turned on by you physically. Some PUA said, “Your frame isn’t strong enough.” Pfft, yeah right.
Think of it this way. There’s many guys out there who would not eat a woman out simply because they might find it unappealing. But ask yourself what if a genuine 9 or your ideal 10 spread her legs for you? Granted you would bang her raw, but chances are you would also be so consumed with so much desire, that naturally you would also want to eat her out. That’s how strong the aesthetic pull is for both male and female. A famous PUA on this side of the sphere said he would never eat out a woman but guess what happened when he met his ideal? He ate her out. He posted the story a while back. Bottom line: It isn’t projection.
For humans to revert to true sexual primacy they must both find themselves aesthetically pleasing. To have a girl spread her legs for you isn’t enough. Such has to find you desirable for sex to be pleasing for the both of you. If only one partner is satisfied (mainly the man), she will inevitably leave you or seek out another man who she will unleash the primal side of her sexuality. Now, she might still open those legs of hers to you due to her dual sexual strategy but one thing she will never open for you is her heart.
P.S: I remember reading Rollo’s “Saving the Best” and it was amazing how it all made sense to me. Needless to say, i was feeling down for a day after reminiscing about the past and how some women never did give me their up most sexual desire. It was mainly from women who were a few points above my dating market but hell, at the time I felt good to just have them open their legs for me. I can see the foolishness in my naivete now, though…
July 10th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
Gregg – “If you are average and have game, etc…you can bed some women, sometimes even hot ones. If you make a lot of approaches, you can bed more of them.”
Reminds me of Krauser – 1000 approaches and less then 30 closes sexually. The only iron clad rule of pua game is approach, approach, approach! Get over your fear of rejection, and Approach!
Of course, if you can get over that fear of rejection, then you may start to see a difference in other parts of your life as well. Confidence, not taking shit anymore, etc.
But basically, pua game comes down to approach as much as is necessary to get laid.
July 10th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
Rollo:
Selected Susan quotes from the thread:
“The guys here are a huge plus. I consider the male POV invaluable and informative. I also feel quite fond of most of the commenters here.”
“I’m pretty sure [my son] doesn’t read Roissy himself. He does own The Game, and I’ve discussed Game with him many times. I think he hasn’t fully explored it because he’s relatively happy with his lot right now. If his relationship were to end, my guess is he’d be all over it. He is a person who has overcome shyness, Game would serve him well. He does seem fairly dominant in his relationship – I guess he’s a “greater beta” according to Roissy.”
“I have no problem with any man having a harem, keeping multiple women in rotation, etc. as long as he is open about it.”
“When my daughter interned in DC, I sat her down to show her pics of Roissy and Roosh, knowing how tight their Game is. I told her they are the big, bad wolves. But that in itself is testament to their power, no? So in all fairness, and because guys I pretty much adore swear by their blogs, I guess I’d have to say I’ve reached something like neutrality on that question. I openly admire them both for their intelligence and writing, but I also feel that they’ve compromised themselves in some important way. Their humanity, I mean. And I always like to plug Athol Kay, though a young guy is probably not going to be a regular at MMSL.
There are other plenty of good Game blogs by newer, younger guys, many of which can be found in my Blogroll.”
Mike C: “You’ll garner ALOT of respect and credibility from men in general if you can engage that direct, analytical style of communication minus the snark and sarcasm. This will be helpful in the workplace in interactions with men.”
Susan Walsh: “I think you’re right, but it’s very tough for many women to travel this distance. I’ll be the first to say that in some ways I am on the male side of the spectrum mentally. I’m no engineer, but am quite analytical by nature. I think that’s genetic, and also what I was rewarded for by my father, whom I always looked up to. He wanted me to “make it in a man’s world.” I’ve also said that I don’t feel very feminine. I’m not sure you can get it all in one package, at least not very often.
“That said, I think the sexes have lost of a lot in the last couple of generations in terms of being able to communicate with one another. With so much emphasis on early sex, and no courtship rituals to speak of, we’ve lost a lot of our ability to converse. Personally, despite our occasional dust-ups, I feel rewarded every day by the intersex dialogue that happens here.”
“Meeting men halfway (or even a bit more in the case of a beta) is good long-term strategy. It is particularly hard for women to accept. The alpha/beta paradigm works here – the more sexually aggressive women don’t hesitate to hit on the men they want, while the more beta females are bummed that the SMP no longer meets their needs. They were raised with the mindset that men display and women select. Even if they want to break out of that mold, it’s difficult because of the risk of rejection that many are loathe to assume.”
July 10th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
haha, I do enjoy reading the hooking-up blog for kicks and giggles. A year or so ago she claimed most of the sexual interaction going on between college women and college men were had in hook-ups settings and that women needed to affirm their desire for a relationship, instead of only acting as a plate or a one-night stands.
Now she says the hook-up culture doesn’t exist, that most people in college are in relationships and happy. Then she claims women mate with the highest-value male they can get(which kinda tells their husbands they are only with them because they couldn’t get the men they really wanted).
Later on she claims most clear-headed, average-looking men can get a girlfriend. But she turns tail and says ”average men have a chance with women, I’m trying to help them with women.”
Lastly she believes people date and marry people in their league.
Of course this is the same woman who, one week says she’s against feminism, the next colors herself as a equalist feminist – Whatever that might be.
And next week she tells their female readers how men are wonderful beings, only to say on another thread how she told her daughter growing up to not talk to men, to not dress clothes which enhanced her figure, and to not look men in the eye because she, the walsh mommy, had been sexually harassed all her life. I mean, She posted one of her near-post wall pictures and she wasn’t anything to look at. I bet she would feel like crap had she been born in Europe. Anyway, I hope she keeps her blog for years to come. Highly entertaining.
July 10th, 2014 at 3:32 pm
Something tells me that particular HUS thread will be disappeared very soon…..
July 10th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Know plenty of average looking guys whose confidence makes it easy for them to interact with women. Some have relationships, others sleep around, but none of them are worried about the hypothetical Adonis taking away their women. They are too busy living their lives and not worrying about rejection. Would advise everyone else to do the same.
July 10th, 2014 at 4:31 pm
its not hard to interact with women. Its getting them to sleep with the guy that is hard, and with so many betas throwing their sausages at women, via facebook,twitter, AIM, and in real life, most women are going to be quite picky. Nothing wrong about that.What’s annoying is how women see you having a decent life and expect you to date them or to take them seriously. Why should any man pay a woman in the form of a relationship, or even attention, when the vast majority of the female lot are Alpha’s sloppy seconds.
July 10th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
Rollo,
This post touched on something very close to home for me. Before taking the red pill about 5 years ago, and after suffering my first (and at this point only) LJBF rejection during my senior year of college, I took it upon myself to initiate my own right of passage. I had already been backpacking for a while, but I decided to go out and start to do it solo…and during the winter. I would climb icy peaks wearing crampons, snowshoe down steep snowy trails, for days at a time, entirely aware that if I fucked up, being alone and potentially miles from anyone, I could easily die. It’s not that I was indifferent to living or dying…it was precisely that I wanted to live by experiencing that raw edge of reality. Fast forward five years and I’ve taken that “right of passage” and simply worked into my life’s routines, while also continuously amplifying their intensity. For example, I just finished a 10-day trip through the most remote and wild mountain chain in North America, hiking entirely off-trail for 50 miles over the continental divide to then inflate a small raft and float a river with Class III whitewater for over 120 miles, ending at a village in the bush. This trip would be a life-list experience for most people if they had the physical capability of even attempting it. For me, it’s nearly become old hat. There were times when I ascended to an almost child-like sense of playfulness while bouncing across tussock mounds and paddling around hydraulic holes in the river. That said, my time in the wild has had it’s share of mistakes and close calls. I’ve nearly drowned, suffered mild hypothermia, been lacerated, bruised, beaten, gone hungry, thirsty, and otherwise destroyed my body on several occasions. I’ve encountered bears and other predators that have fortunately been more fearful of me than I of them. Your average person would likely think I’m insane or a thrill junkie. I simply want to experience the world as it is…which transfers almost seamlessly to what you write about on a consistent basis.
A certain degree of confidence will exude from a person who can do the things I do…however for it to really be of any benefit (i.e. circumstance) you have to be around people who value it to one degree or another. In some social circles, I likely give off an Alpha perception, but in most others I generally see myself as a lone wolf (have you written about this male archetype?). If you were to take the example of the Cancun beach/pool party, unless already three sheets to the wind, I wouldn’t even be there. I’d be off exploring the natural beauty that this part of Mexico has to offer. There are women out there who value this kind of social routine, and these are the women I choose to Game. I’m much more inclined to Plate Theory nowadays…however I definitely limit myself by the number of plates I find worth spinning to begin with. Living in a rural community limits the degree to which you can excel at this…but that doesn’t mean you can’t use it to your benefit.
I’ll echo what you’ve said many times in the past: Experience teaches harsh, but teaches best. I’ve learned that some women are attracted to things as simple as my ability to build a good fire, especially when there are other men around who try, and fail. My “adventurous” lifestyle lends itself to being mysterious or at the very least intriguing to most women, even if they have no interest in doing these sorts of things. In a few, this has definitely gotten the hamster wheel of imagination rolling. I’ve had women say that they’d love to go on just a simple camping trip with me in the woods or on the river simply because they figure I know what I’m doing out there. Compare this to your AFC who rolls into a car campsite with his GF with everything but the kitchen sink. In my estimation this sort of trip is a major shit test for most guys.
When I started working adventurous outdoor pursuits into my life, I really had no idea that they would be a springboard of sorts for the social arena that I choose to operate within. I would say it’s more inclined for the introverted male as opposed to the extroverted, and it’s not something that will guarantee a lay or an LTR or really anything related to female relationships…but it will, most certainly, provide men with a degree of confidence and a means for self-improvement. Then, once you begin to exude these things, when you resonate on that frequency….it’s only a matter of time before some women in your life start to feel the tingle.
July 10th, 2014 at 6:20 pm
“She has a boyfriend” and is sending IOIs your way anyway. Translation: “Only a quick romp possible, does not want to rope you in for a relationship.”
Nothing complicated, Herr Professor.
July 10th, 2014 at 7:18 pm
@ narec ***”girls don’t shit test good looking guys, other than some playful teasing. They make things easy, and streamline the process from meeting to sex.”***
Read this then come back to me……. http://heartiste.wordpress.com/?s=shit+tests
and this http://www.rooshv.com/8-signs-youre-a-game-denialist
@ jf12 ****Therefore I disagree with this: “If they shit test you they are interested.And similarly I disagree with this: “They never make it easy.”
A shit-test is designed to spurn a man, to make him feel deflated, *because* she’s not interested. Women are so weird, however, that she may change into being interested within mere minutes. As soon as she becomes interested, the shit tests cease immediately, but only for the duration of her feeling interest. During this time of interest, she makes it easy for him. For some men, the ones she’s really attracted to, she makes it easy from the get-go, w/o any shit tests.”*****
Guys this is bullshit. Cute girls will shit test good looking guys all the time.
I think we all agree looks do matter, and the better looking you may be the the more forgiving a girl might be if you fail certain shit tests on the road to banging her. But seriously, do you think a tall good looking guy just has to approach (or be approached), get through some small talk and then she fall in bed with her legs open? No way man. A HB7+ is hard-wired to shit test ANY guy. If she doesn’t want anything to do with you, she will just turn her back, walk off or tell you to fuck off in no uncertain terms. But if she stays there and shit tests – you she likes you. She wants to see if you are alpha enough to pass them – to work for it. The propagation of the human species depends on it.
I just laugh at shit tests now because I accept that in order to bang quality poon, I must pass shit tests like a Jedi master.
July 10th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Not to agitate, but thoughts?
July 10th, 2014 at 8:25 pm
@Rollo – I think Roosh is an authority on the ‘do muscles matter’ debate because he’s approached many thousands of women all over the globe and has field-tested so many aspects of Game. Now whilst Roosh looks fit, he’s certainly not muscular. But he gets quality poon all the time.
We all know you lift Rollo, as do I.
I lift because it makes me feel great and as a by-product, that gives me added confidence in most social situations. I set high standards for my physical appearance and the dedication and hours I put in at the gym ‘sometimes’ results in girls giving me an IOI that I can approach and capitalise on. I sculpt my physique and use my height because that’s what I have to work with. My achilles heal is my hairline and teeth (dam you red wine) but I have to use what I have to my advantage.
But what muscles can’t give you, is immunity from approach anxiety, getting shit tested and maintaining solid Frame in an LTR. For these, one must unplug, and internalise Game.
A good physique doesn’t mean women fall over themselves wanting to bang you. Girls rarely approach. You still have to approach. But, the added confidence a good physique gives you can translate into approaching more often and increasing your odds. Solid Game can then get you the notch.
I’m living proof that 6’4″ buff guys are not drowning in high quality poon.
I needed to unplug, apply Game and Frame to finally be happy with the quality of women I now bang.
July 10th, 2014 at 8:54 pm
If you regard yourself as too thin and merely want to look muscular in a shirt:
-Go to Amazon and buy the top-rated creatine powder for about 8 bucks. Take it with fruit juice 2x per day for a week
-Do bicep curls every day for a week using at least 25-lb dumbbells
You’ll notice a difference.
-Now, reduce the creatine to 1x/day, Do the bicep curls 5x/week, and keep this up for 3 more weeks.
You’re welcome.
July 10th, 2014 at 9:08 pm
A comment for the frustrated –
Just thought I’d point out to the men who are having trouble getting together with women that although you can’t please all the people all the time, most men can please some women some of the time. There is a lot of individual variation in women, and speaking in generalities like I have seen here can be unhelpful.
Many women have some attractive qualities. So don’t get hung up on a rigid list of requirements like some kind of entitled prince and go for any reasonably attractive woman who responds to your advances. You might be pleasantly surprised.
So even though I was a pencil neck geek semi aspie engineering nerd type most of my life with a slightly asymmetrical face and body, my N count has been ~5-10X the published average. Were all of them hot babes? No. Were some of them? Yes. Did I enjoy sex with almost all of them? Yes.
Having some red pill knowledge helps keep you from getting blindsided or burned if nothing else. I wish the manosphere had been around a long time ago.
July 10th, 2014 at 9:35 pm
Roosh is, for the most part, correct in his assumption that the US is heading towards a SMP which upholds aesthetics above all. As stated here and in many other manosphere blogs, a women’s sexual strategy is dualistic (i.e.Alpha Fuk and Beta bucks). Currently, Betas are being shunned from receiving a girl’s pussy and that’s simply because the provisionary of beta males has been removed almost completely. This is either by the government, the girl’s family, and/or her own job. The only thing that’s left for women to do, inorder to fulfill her hypegamic drive, is to pursue men who give them tingles or at least have the potential to give them tingles based on looks alone.
It’s actually funny in a way when guys get recommended to travel overseas for a wife. Your foreign girl will never truly love you (unless she’s ignorant to her own SMV) because beta provisioning doesn’t ilicite the same respose as an alpha’s physical presence. At best you’ll be pegged as a convenient mate and at worst, a transactionary mate. Unfortunately, most unplugged men wouldn’t know the difference so it’s no wonder they get surprised when a woman leaves them.
Here’s where I disagree with Roosh: The part where he says, “They’re training girls.” No, they aren’t. You can’t train a man to find a woman attractive, much like how you also can’t train a woman to find a man attractive (at least primaly). Primal attraction is the key distinction in all of this. There was a saying in the PUA community that I found to be quite ironic. It was, “Attraction isn’t a choice.” It’s ironic because game tries to do that. It tries to navigate a woman’s attraction in your favor, but that isn’t her genuine choice. That’s persuasion on your part. This is why guys who are heavy into game often times wonder why some leads result in the girl getting buyer’s remorse. In a way, I suppose this doesn’t matter to most guys, seeing as how the selfish gene runs wild in all of us.
Either way, looks are an honest signal of good genes and biology hates to be fooled. For women, it comes with a big price, namely her getting shitty genes for an offspring and sticking around for 9 months after.
Note: I wanted to write a longer comment going further but I have to go. I know I’ve also made a lot of grammatical errors but whatever. Perhaps some other day when the topic calls for it i’ll expand further.
July 10th, 2014 at 9:45 pm
Almost forgot to mention but you can see there’s a woman who comments on the video and she hits the nail right on the head. Here’s what she says:
“RooshV, big guys give the sense of physical security and comfort for a woman and protection.
So it is normal for women to like big tall guys.
Women ALWAYS cared how a man looks, because this is a signal for good genes !
Yes of course we can tell if the guy is soft or firm and fit, regardless of size. ”
If you look for it, you’ll find that some women are completely honest about what they really want. It’s just that guys who’ve been disillusioned by game and those still plugged in, will call these girls “superficial bitches” or “trolls”, thus shaming girls in speaking about these matters honestly. For proof, just look at the person who replied to her comment.
July 10th, 2014 at 9:47 pm
I don’t want to turn this forum into a body building forum but it’s topic relevant…my routine (developed over 10 years)
If you want mass quickly (8-12 weeks) – free weight & compound exercises people.
With little to no resting between sets and w good form
Superset (3 x 8-10 reps) Flat or incline Bench with squats or leg press, military presses with deadlifts or lat pull downs, preacher curls (always) with dips or skull crushers.
If don’t live near or can’t afford a gym – pushups, dips, tractor tyre flips, squats, burpees etc
Shouldn’t take longer than 30 min max – now who the fuck can’t make time for that?
July 10th, 2014 at 11:23 pm
@ Rollo Tomassi July 10th, 2014 at 7:26 pm
Muscles. Matter. ITs that simple! And this needs to be pounded into mens’ heads to give people like possible Eliot Rodgers a way to improve themselves.
Ill say it again –
Muscles. Matter.
July 10th, 2014 at 11:31 pm
@stuttie, re: “But if she stays there and shit tests – you she likes you.”
I know this is wrong because basically all women shit tested me my whole life, and only the ones who like me, or rather want to communicate that they like me, don’t.
July 11th, 2014 at 12:05 am
Hey Rollo, I know you are not a fan of Carl Jung.
However, Jung said something a long time ago that is important –
From his book, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, “…You think your young girls marry European husbands because they are ambitious for titles. I say it is because, after all, they are not different from the, European girls; they
like the way European men make love, and they like to
feel we are a little dangerous. They are not happy with
their American husbands because they are not afraid of
them. It is natural, even though it is archaic, for women to
want to be afraid when they love.”
The muscular physique is necessary for women to be “afraid” of the men that they “love”
Darwin has it correct – Both sexes…choose their partners almost solely from external appearance.”
Bodybuild guys. And I suppose now its a steroid race.
July 11th, 2014 at 12:28 am
Rollo, the knowledge on your website has gotten me over $50,000 in gifts from a girl that previously treated me like shit who now worships me. Game really does work! I am sitting at my desk drinking a cocktail that was made in a $2,300 silver cocktail shaker I got as a gift from her. I get gifts like this on a monthly basis and I don’t even work, she pays for everything and has bought me the most expensive shit you could ever imagine even selling her previous boyfriends gifts to pay for them. I have never even spent 10 dollars on gifts and barely ever even buy her a birthday card. Game works magic but maybe it only maximizes untapped potential. I think I was sitting on a jackpot that I just never realized I could cash in and game opened my eyes to how to cash it in. Thank you so much for sharing the knowledge, it has changed my life tremendously. Never been so relaxed or in control of my life and my girl(s).
July 11th, 2014 at 3:50 am
@Rollo, your a gentleman for sure, but i think your throwing pearls to swine on this topic. This isnt about looks, height or Alpha/Beta. This is the age old “should i sit hear in my puddle of piss and whine or should i do something about it. History is replete with example of men who have overcome great obsticles to become successful. Experience tells us that most men would rather drag other down.
July 11th, 2014 at 8:14 am
“Cute girls will shit test good looking guys all the time.”
Obviously you don’t know many good looking guys.
I’m friends with a good looking guy who has zero game, if anything he has negative game and yet I have had to physically forcefully remove a woman (stranger) from my car when he was with me.
Women leave notes on his windshield, strangers pretend he has dropped something and give him notes with their numbers and the offer of sex, he gets free sex at strip joints, women try to pick him up at traffic lights etc.
Invariably I get the, ‘what’s wrong with your friend’, because he is a little neurotic and has no idea what to do with the attention.
On the other hand out of my social circle the guy with the highest notch count (and I mean high) is a fat, short and ugly Cypriot that is a delivery driver. Go figure, make of it what you want.
July 11th, 2014 at 9:59 am
Steve H:
“Narec – if you have an antagonistic chip on your shoulder towards women (as opposed to some greater, more important adversary) – they can sense it, and that’s about the most unattractive thing in the universe for them. They don’t want to be with a guy who’s angry at women.
Indifference is king, slight benevolence is even better.”
This is an extremely irrational, yet common theory proposed by proponents of game. Anyone with a microgram of red pill in them knows that it is complete garbage.
Women do not have extrasensory perception. They may pay more attention to subtleties in facial expressions and speech, but they cannot read minds. When I am in social situations I am smiling, laughing and “in the moment” just like everyone else, and I really don’t think about this stuff until later.
If they did have these powers, don’t you think they would sense had to Bundy was planning to kill them and cut them into pieces and not trust him and go with him? You’re telling me they can detect bitterness but not murderous intent? How convenient, it’s always the guys fault isn’t it?
I’ll tell you what I think, I think if a girl sees my ugly face She adheres to the rules of the reverse halo effect, and just assumes that I am bitter. She’d probably be less likely to trust me, thinking I’m a dangerous creep, even
Though I literally wouldn’t hurt a fly (serious). But a good looking guy she would trust implicitly and unquestionably.
July 11th, 2014 at 11:11 am
@Nathan, I first read that Jung quote on Rollo about a year ago and didn’t believe it at the time. But I surely do believe it now.
It’s not necessary to be all that muscular, btw. You do NOT have to be able to dominate other men. You merely have to look and move as if you are strong enough to chase her down and dominate her while leaving one of your hands free. Like in Rollo’s embedded video (is that Roosh?).
July 11th, 2014 at 11:24 am
I think it’s been said before…
For women, your looks will win or lose the battle for you. They are your lure, hook, line, sinker, and pole.
For men, your looks will almost never win the battle but you can certainly lose it instantly with poor appearance. Your looks are just your bait, don’t let it get stale, your game is your hook.
July 11th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
Good points raised by all, but I feel that Rollo has covered this ground many times. Few or no one is saying that looks (including height) don’t matter. Of course, being taller is better. Of course, being wealthy or successful is better. Looks. Power. Game. It all matters. And each one helps. If you spend time with your eyes open, you are well aware of the advantages taller men have. But I have also met shorter men that did not “seem” short. And as a shorter guy, I try to pay attention to why that is. You have to do the best with what you’ve got. There is no fairness in this world.
July 11th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
@Beauty is truth.
Re: Attraction is not a choice.
I thought it actually went along the lines of: Arousal is not a choice.
There is a big difference between Attraction and Arousal.
Attraction is subject to both conscious and subcouncsious factors. It can go from looks, to social standing, to wealth, how one is dressed, the ability to speak etc. Many of these factors can be malleable, meaning shaped and managed by men and are also context specific. The guy who looks hot in a Yoga class may look was out of context in say a corporate setting, due to contextual social issues. The CEO does get more pull than the Janitor in a corporate setting as he owns the playing field.
That having been said, the janitor may well turn on the subject girl more than the CEO once the lights go out and either of them has their dick in her vag. Once you get to that stage of interaction, the hind brain is driving the car a lot more than the pre-frontal cortex which has a lot more to say about things like social standing when the lights are on.
I posit that game, from a behavioural perspective, has the greatest potential influence of the ATTRACTION factors. Yes innate looks play into it, but in any given SOCIAL context there is always a ranking, E.g. SMP / SMV and within that ranking men and women can and do both effect their ranking with all the things we know of from muscles to peacocking to makeup and hair for girls, pre-selection, the lot of it.
So I suggest that game can and does give one the ability to mess with ATTRACTION factors, but may be more limited in dealing with AROUSAL factors. I would also suggest that yes AROUSAL factors are more based on hind brain genetic factors about physical Alpha-ness etc. But even then, in bed, there is still behavioural factors at play such as dominance. Having gotten her into bed, dominant behaviour can still make a far better impression than wish washy interaction. To me that is still the potential for game to play a role all the way up until the point the sperm finds her egg.
For the game cynics and skeptics it sounds like you are saying based on your field work / experience that women are pre-qualifying men on the basis of AROUSAL factors alone, then only letting the nominally arousing potential mates to even engage in the social side of the equation for more fun, games and potential further qualification, E.g. shit tests and flirting for hot males.
July 11th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
@agent p
Primal attraction always outweighs the arousal factor. Simply put: Arousal gets her ready for sex, but attraction is what goes on in her mind during sex. A guy doesn’t need to be necessarily good looking in order to arouse her. Touching her after meeting her minimal physical requirements can arouse her sufficiently. But true attraction is innate and if it wanes too much, she’ll seek it out elsewhere.
There’s a reason why even if a girl doesn’t feel heavy attraction for a guy, she can still get wet for him via arousal. I know this is a very crass example, but you can take rape into consideration here.
The victim isn’t attracted to her attacker because often times, the rapist is either hidden from sight or he hasn’t established anything of significance to her aside from looks but yet, it has been noted that women get just as wet for an attacker. It has been said that this is probably just a defense mechanism. The reasoning behind this is because if she didn’t get wet, which would result in the attacker having difficulty in banging her, he would probably kill her instead. But nonetheless, I think what arouses her is his caveman approach to sex. He sees what he wants and takes it. I haven’t looked too deep into the Attraction vs Arousal side of biology, but maybe that’s something Rollo would cover in the near future.
Also, I recommend you guys check this outt:
This is Tinder Thread on the Bodybuilding website. It has many laughs so it’s well worth it. You can just look at the first 5 pages for brevity. This one is by a guy above average in looks but not model material: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=162917501
This is another Tinder thread where they used a model as the subject: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=161002381&page=1
This is one from reddit where a guy ran an experiment using an ugly guy, an average guy, and good looking guy: http://www.reddit.com/r/Tinder/comments/23gvy0/its_hard_being_average_my_tinder_experiment/
His last two paragraphs show that Tinder is streamlined hypergamy.
“What shocked me the most how small the difference was between the average and ugly profiles. The average guy got 9 matches and 2 first messages and the ugly guy got 3 matches and 2 messages (one from a bot).
I don’t really have a conclusion to my experiment other than strive to look like an underwear model >_> (I wish). I guess you’re either in the top 10% or you’re invisible. It was a little depressing, yet unsurprising. Online dating is pretty hard if you’re just average. I encourage all of the guys out there to start hitting the gym and groom yourself damn well if you want to have a shot at some crazy ridiculous results.”
I remember Rollo saying something along the lines of, “Women don’t want equal, they want better.”
Either way, I would recommend looking at the first link since it’s more realistic in terms of the SMP on Tinder. For one, not every guy on the app is a model but it was interesting to see the dynamic at play.
July 11th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
@Beauty Is Truth
“you can take rape into consideration here”
No, you can’t.
Lubrication during unwanted intercourse is a mechanism that evolved as a protection against vaginal injury during rape. It is most definitely *not* a sign of arousal.
Basic acquaintance with human physiology is a useful thing before one launches into wild speculations on sex and its whereabouts.
July 11th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Professor Von Hardwiggs:
“only to witness women who ”had a boyfriend” or ”weren’t ready for anything yet” blow one of my buddies in some seedy street corner, lol.”
This is what I’m talking about. This is what has me completely converted the red pill. I honestly wish my eyes hadn’t been opened this.
I’m talking about finding out from my good-looking friends type of whorish, sluttish things girls they just met did for them. Public sex, bathroom blowjobs, unprotected anal sex with a lube. It’s fucking crazy, it’s like straight from hard-core porn. “Life imitates art” indeed, heh? Of course those with the same girls that would tell less good-looking guys like me that “they’re not that type of girl”. That’s what pisses me off, the hypocrisy. How any girl has this kid inside that she only shows to certain genetically gifted guys, while she considers you a subhuman.
How are we supposed to function like this? I mean, having the girls interact with on a day-to-day basis being bitchy and stuck up to you, but just last weekend she was taking ass to mouth from multiple guys just because they have better jawlines or some shit. Man this is fucked up..
July 11th, 2014 at 4:27 pm
*without lube
July 11th, 2014 at 5:01 pm
she was taking ass to mouth from multiple guys just because they have better jawlines or some shit. Man this is fucked up..
Its true man. Imagine when the guy has clout like is an athlete, etc.
They live in a different universe.
What makes me ill is that the beautiful economically dominate us to the point of neofeudal slavery.
I’m young. No young people can play off their student loans.
The youth are fucked.
College is NO panacea. It is debt slavery
July 11th, 2014 at 5:40 pm
The defeatism here is unnecessary and counter-productive. If you resolve to put in the inner and outer work, couple with social awareness and red-pill knowledge, you can get 7s and 8s.
You really don’t think a guy can go from getting zero action and zero interest to being the most attractive, sought-after guy at many a social function? I’m living proof. Girls had zero interest in me until I was almost 30. The thing is: I changed. I made myself become the best I could be. And the rest is history. So yeah – I do in fact have a microgram of red pill awareness, or I would not be here commenting on this blog, trying to help and inspire where I can in the ‘Sphere. And I’m telling you right now – you can improve your lot dramatically even if you’re getting no interest/attention/stray looks from chicks right now. I know it.
But, let’s say you’re cynical about anonymous commenter Steve H, and you think I’m full of shit. That’s fine. I’ll just drop one name and put all your self-defeating illusions to rest.
Sean Stephenson
And your excuse again, what was it exactly…?
July 11th, 2014 at 9:07 pm
it always amuses me that game is talked about as if it’s something new, or something that has to be learned.
Game is as old as mankind itself. Game is a salesmen in the 50s going door to door. Game is stock brokers getting rich off new clients, game is a guy wowing a girl in the 20s with a diamond ring. Game has never really changed.
Men seek comfort, peace and sanctuary. A part of that sanctuary is a well heeled feminine element, because it is demanding, stressful and somewhat risky just going sport fucking for the sake of it. It’s far more equitable to have a long term life partner.
They may make the mistake of become too slack in their home environments such that the woman of their dreams loses respect, they may be too open and too comfortable, but what men seek is what men need to keep themselves relaxed and comfortable and happy.
Coming with modern catch phrases and calling that ‘beta’ is not any kind of solution.
July 12th, 2014 at 9:15 am
”she was taking ass to mouth from multiple guys just because they have better jawlines or some shit. Man this is fucked up..
Its true man. Imagine when the guy has clout like is an athlete, etc.
They live in a different universe.
What makes me ill is that the beautiful economically dominate us to the point of neofeudal slavery.
I’m young. No young people can play off their student loans.
The youth are fucked.
College is NO panacea. It is debt slavery”
I remember meeting women who were claiming to be waiting for that Christian good man to marry them before they would open their legs. As soon as they went to a metropolitan College, bam. The resolution to stay as virgins for the future husband dissipated faster than young money visiting a strip-club.
I met one woman, 21 years old. She was smoking. Her boyfriend was ugly as sin, had some of the weirdest teeth ”growth”I have ever seen and he wasn’t tall at all, but at the age of 24 he already had as a car one of those audis, and he had a good income. The guy could find any other hot woman any time he wanted, treated this one like trash, dumped her, and she ended up sleeping with her Stepfather(her mother was 50. The stepfatehr was 35..) while at the same time trying to turn me into a boyfriend, lolol. They are so used to having anything they want, they don’t even try to cover their tracks.
College is awful for men. Most women there hate all of the men who aren’t in the top 20% and some of the women are only partial to men who are part of the 5%. Young men in college have to lay low. They can’t look at women for that counts as rape for women who are tired of being pumped and dumped by Mr. 21 year old Christian Bale and are wanting of attention and drama, and the women consider the college campus as a safe haven where they can be protected from the ”predatory nature of men” <— said by a 25 year old feminist I had a class with.
Someone has to explain to me that predatory nature. I've met men who were born and raised in Africa, men who lived in the Brazilian favelas and men from the poorest areas of China. Every one of these foreign never took advantage of any woman. Unlike the Alpha males Frat boys who'll bang a woman even if she's dead if the mood strikes him.
July 12th, 2014 at 9:36 am
”How are we supposed to function like this? I mean, having the girls interact with on a day-to-day basis being bitchy and stuck up to you, but just last weekend she was taking ass to mouth from multiple guys just because they have better jawlines or some shit. Man this is fucked up..”
I know, bro. It is dysfunctional as hell. You’re expected to treat women with respect and love and kindness when the vast majority of them(only the truly hideous women aren’t Alpha males sloppy seconds) would treat you like trash in front of an Alpha male just for the fun of it, and at the same time they demand your attention, your resources and your future income(child-support increases when a man’s wages spike).
Let me tell you about this one girl I met when I was 23 years old. She was 4’11”. I’m 5’7”. Near her I was a giant. Did the height different made her salivate at the sight of me? No. When she first saw me, she was emanating signals of interest. Blushing, very nervous, always playing with my hair, paying attention to see if any other girl was looking at me etc.
She had a boyfriend. I was never interested in having my bones broken over a woman and although she was cute, she was nothing remarkable. No breasts and a fatty butt. Turns out her boyfriend was cheating on her with her sisters and every boyfriend she possessed had cheated on her, with her cousins and with her sisters…
The girl simply wouldn’t put out. At first she might have been attracted to me, but as she was telling me of the 12 guys who had banged her before the age of 23 red sirens were going off in my head with herpes alerts and HPV and what not, aha. Then when she became aware that I wanted to do something with my life, she cut off any sexual conversation and demanded to be my girlfriend! For that to happen, i would have to earn x amount and to go to college to take x college degree to make more money.
LOL. Even the women who have had more dick in them than a porn star are arrogant enough to presume a man is going to change all of the gears in his life for the chance at herpes.
I told the guy who introduced her to me she was whack. We went to a festival one time and the girl was out of her mind, coming up to me to tell me she wanted a real man, a guy to grow up with, not just to bang, someone to build a life with and have a family.
See? I didn’t expect anything from her. To be truthful I wanted nothing with her. I treasure my health and she’s probably bipolar(like most women turn into as the result of being pumped and dumped by Alpha) but she reckoned she was entitled to have me as her sucker provider and when she was denied the conclusion to the natural flux of a woman’s life(Alpha fux, beta bux) she said something was wrong with me. That I wasn’t following the natural cycle life – she really said that LOL.
I suspect she had gotten herself pregnant by one of the Alphas and then wanted me to sleep with her so that she could say it was mine. I really do believe that.
My friend saw her a few months ago. He says she has let herself go. All of those years of being pumped and dumped, spending her nights getting drunk have took their toil. She looks far worse than she’d look like at her current age had she thought with her head instead of thinking with her clit, and here I am: healthy, with no college debt, and no children nor a nagging wife.
Bro, it gives me great pleasure when I see the Alphas like roissy and the lot pump and dump: they’re giving to women what they deserve.
No commitment, no love, no protection and no real interest, and I fills my heart with pride when I witness the future suckers turn out, to not be all that much of a sucker.
The game is coming to an end. Feminism won’t last long, and we won’t return to marriage 1.0.
July 12th, 2014 at 9:51 am
”If they did have these powers, don’t you think they would sense had to Bundy was planning to kill them and cut them into pieces and not trust him and go with him? You’re telling me they can detect bitterness but not murderous intent? How convenient, it’s always the guys fault isn’t it?”
All women are naturally submissive to good-looking men. They released some footage from the hotel that Dutch serial-killer was living in while he was killing young women, and the women in question were following him like puppies. The guy was nearly 7 feet tall, had a model’s face, was blonde, and was broad-shouldered. I’ve seen women get into the cars of unknown good-looking women and these women weren’t hookers because I knew them personally.
Most women will do everything the Alphas want them to do. I noticed this due to the context of the conversations which occurred between average women/good-looking women and average/above average men.
The average men would be friendly to the women they’d know, talking about the weather or about work, college and what not, and the women would respond in a nasty manner, pissed off at the guy for the mere fact that he was alive. Bring in the good-looking/tall dude and he could’ve talked about murdering kittens and the women would blush, giggle and do anything the guy wanted.
The social dynamics of being Alpha or beta are not only translated into who gets laid or not. It also predicts who is going to get the ambulance called for if the guy is beta, or if the guy is Alpha.
I can speak for myself. I once saw the whole world stop because this average girl broke a nail. I saw this other guys, Alpha, have women throw money at him because he forgot his wallet at home. I’ve seen Alphas never bother to bring money with them to restaurants because women they didn’t know would pay these guys bill.
I’ve been the victim of three failed attempts at mugging and the women/men who were near me didn’t even blink an eye. Not even the police cared. Unless you are a woman or part of a minority, you are considered part of the ”privileged male patriarchy” and no one gives a crap about you.
Proceed in the same manner. Forego society – it’s a feminist society created for women, for homosexual men and for white knights. Only concern with yourself, your family, and your guy friends.
July 12th, 2014 at 10:10 am
The comments conflict on an issue I’ve always wondered about. Do “hawt” guys or alphas get shit tested? If a woman is aroused by your physical appearance, does she still shit test? Rollo, what is the answer to this? I’m not good looking or a naturally alpha and I’ve always wondered.
July 12th, 2014 at 10:16 am
The thing that confuses me (and bear with me Rollo, I know this isn’t a PUA blog per se) – are you guys getting to a firm ‘no’? Or are you asking permission overtly or covertly or some shit like that?
Either Get To Yes or Get To No. Let it be known to the chick that you want to fuck her. Do think you have the capacity to obscure your own fear of rejection? You do not. I think a lot of you aren’t getting to no, you’re trying to shroud your intentions and/or you’re butthurt when a chick rebuffs you. I understand, but you’ve gotta get over that. And you can.
When a chick does give you a firm ‘no’ – did you approach as your best masculine self – with humor, charm, social adeptness, confidence, etc? If you didn’t – that’s your fault she said ‘no’. If you did – then she’s not interested, but you stepped up and gave it the old college try – so good on you…accept the ‘no’ with a laugh or with gracious indifferent social acumen and move along to someone else. No harm, no foul – AND it’s actually a positive in her eyes because you acquitted yourself well as a bold man who knows how to handle a ‘no’ and is carefree about all of it.
Here’s another angle – I remember the last time I was single, about 1.5 yrs ago. There were a couple women who were inarguably 2-3 SMV pts below me, but I found them attractive to have a casual ONS/FWB. In these instances, the (older/single mom/unemployed-and-slighty-chubby in various cases) women in question made it known that they found me attractive. In each case, I saw them out and about socially, and I picked situationally-appropriate times near the end of a night when we were talking or making out to offer them opportunities to hook up. Two of them seemed to be a sure thing – makeouts at last call and they seemed horny, etc…But – They wanted me to connect with them on FB and ‘send them a message sometime, let’s get together sometime’ – all the LTR-seeking or – at minimum – ‘you have to take me out on a date first’ type stuff. Now – all I had to do would’ve been to wait until 11am the next day, send them a one sentence message, and we could’ve ‘gone out on a real date’ for a couple $8 cocktails and 80% odds the chick would’ve put out that night. But I never took the bait to be in her frame, nor really cared, I just moved along and in some cases banged someone sluttier who was up for a ONS or casual FWB situation etc. But – my point here is that there are a ton of women out there who are 5s, 6s, 7s who will not slut it up because they are in fact holding out for a LTR or at least the pretenses of the beginnings of an LTR, no matter how miserable they are to remain in the process.
Which is to say, they’re actually looking for a beta chump and won’t allow an alpha to recklessly fuck them in a ONS type situation. Then I see these women on FB with a palpably beta chump who is probably an SMV point or two below them, and he couldn’t be happier to simply be getting sex on the regular from a 5 or a 6.
Hope that adds some clarity and insight to the erroneous assertions here that all middling American women will go ATM for a random Alpha. That is way too conveniently reductionist and incorrect, even though it may give y’all a comforting cornucopia of excuses for why you’re not getting the sex you want.
July 12th, 2014 at 11:21 am
Not that anyone here will believe me but there are plenty of women who have “ugly guy” fantasies but he had better be dominant. An ugly guy who is self-deprecating is repulsive. Of course he needs to have good posture, a steady gaze, and reasonable physical health (and smell like testosterone!) but the guy who can unapologetically and authoritatively tell a woman what to do and how to please him will attract a pleaser who will gain self-satisfaction by being the best pleaser she can be. If she likes herself with him because of the feedback she gets from him (sparingly) then she is less needy of strokes from the flock of hens.
“…but increasingly, as male feminization has spread, men have been made to be necessitous of security.” To me this represents social pathology to the extreme and is the root of some of the top-down utopian fantasies that are destroying us.
July 12th, 2014 at 11:40 am
AFC…AFC….AFC….AFC….
Everything here reeks of PW & AFC. Are your “little heads” the boss of your “big heads”?
July 12th, 2014 at 11:49 am
More qualifications provided by caprizchka. If you’re an ugly AFC man, maybe you could qualify, check her list, do you measure up? Is there hope here? Do you fit her protocol?
FYI Caprizchka NO male really WANTS to fuck an ugly chick. They ONLY do it out of desperation.
July 12th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
let me spell it out for you. and tell you are built (jacked) you are beta
July 12th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
until you are built
July 12th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
@Narec
You may not believe my post but it is 100% factual. I am 5′ 4″, 29. 125 pounds, average build, white. I am a software programmer in Dallas, right now in Asia on work. I have an average face.
I have a colleague, 27, – redhead – who is very very sexy. She is 5′ 6″, drives a sports car, loves sports. There’s a wealthy guy 6′ 2″ who probably makes at least 200 grand a year with a crush on her. She’s shown me several of the emails he has sent her.
When I joined, I was just another guy that worked in the same office. But due to a coincidental set of circumstances, we ended up having to work closely with each other for 2 weeks. 1 month after that, she asked if I would accompany her to a performance by a local rock band.
About a month later, she blatantly propositioned me in her car at 1:00 am.
She’s wild in bed, gives fabulous blowjobs. I was curious why she was attracted to me when she could easily bang the tall rich dude. Her response: ‘He’s boring. I love the way you talk.’.
Because I was sure she would never be attracted to me, I was always carefree with a lot of sexual talk. I really didn’t think I had a chance, so didn’t give a shit. I was always my normal uninhibited self with her. That is what made her want me more than the tall dude.
July 12th, 2014 at 3:11 pm
Narec, here’s another woman confirming what you believe in:
”My younger sister was dating a Beta guy who would do anything and everything for her (they are both teenagers). At first he seemed Alpha because he got a lot of female attention, but once he started dating her, all that changed. She quickly switched from being infatuated with him to near hating him. She complained that she cheated on him by making out with several other guys, and that he didn’t care (clearly angry at his Beta-tude). Then she escalated things by having sex with other guys. However, he continued to drive her everywhere and buy her food. Eventually she stopped having sex with him completely, while getting drunk and giving bj’s/handjobs to random guys at parties.
Eventually she got sick of his Beta Ass and dumped him. Then she started to date a total asshole that all her friends told her not to date, but she did it anyways. She would sit around at home on weekends and wait for his texts, while he was out cheating on her. Eventually things fell apart (because he was an asshole obviously).
Now none of the guys at her school will date her. They only want to have drunken sexcapades with her.
In conclusion. She complains that all men are assholes.”
She had her fun with the Alpha males, excuses herself with the lame proposition that she cheated because her boyfriend was beta(if he got that much attention from women, he was probably very good-looking, and he would not put her on a pedestal, unless she’s a 10, at least)
And now she expects the average men to date her, to give her presents, money, trips and attention and affection aha.
hxxp://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/2ace8u/when_women_only_date_assholes_and_then_claim_that/
Replace the xxx with the proper url. I did this so they can’t trace us back.
July 12th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Red pill musings from Fringed:
1. Never implicitly trust a woman.
2. Never implicitly trust a professional politician.
3. Never implicitly trust a professional christian, or pastor.
4. Do trust Jesus Christ as your Savior.
July 12th, 2014 at 8:38 pm
Great post. The last paragraph way well be the best you’ve ever written.
July 12th, 2014 at 11:05 pm
Ok, so “game” then. Point me there, please? Links, sources, advice, step #1 etc….
July 13th, 2014 at 12:33 am
@tarzan, Michael told you how to game: “I was always carefree with a lot of sexual talk. I really didn’t think I had a chance, so didn’t give a shit.”
Approach *now*, right now, not some “better” time. Sexualize instantly, escalating from the start, and don’t expect too much about the end result. You’ll quickly get to either yes or no, and if no then you get to move on quickly.
July 13th, 2014 at 1:48 am
Bear with me; this does have relevance to the post and this blog in general.
I just finished watching “Camelot”, the musical based on King Arthur, the knights of the round table and all that.
So I did a touch of background research. This particular version of the story on which “Camelot” is based is an adaptation to the original version of Arthur, the warrior king from Wales who united all of Britain. The original version was all about Arthur. The subsequent versions, The Round Table stuff, Guinevere, Lancelot, dominated this subsequent edition from the later 12th century. And it was the seminal foundation of “courtly love”. And it was driven by ….
Marie de Champaigne, who was the daughter of Louis, King of France and Eleanor of Acquitane. This subsequent version of the Arthur story was written by Chritien of Troyes and Troyes is the seat of Acquitane. In fact the whole Guinevere and Lancelot horseshit was imposed on Chritien by Marie. It was said he didn’t complete it because he didn’t like the imposition of adultery on the tale and Marie drove the final version.
In this version, Arthur is reduced to a weak cuckold who merely blanches at the knowledge of the affair between Lancelot and his wife. And it celebrates and literally creates the whole idea of courtly love, not based on creepy sex or passion, but rather it is this special love that the knight has for his lady and he drives himself to do and be better merely to prove himself worthy of her “love” and attention. In fact when Lancelot confesses his undying love to her, he expects it to be sexless and she is the one who takes the affair physical. A good knight would never demand sex in exchange for his lady’s attention. And the thrust of the story is his undying devotion to her and of endless sacrifice to show he is worthy of her. In essence, it is the seminal cultural development of what I feel is the key word in this post ….
Necessitousness.
And to bring this all back into this blog. As I posted in a previous comment, Marie, as daughter of Eleanor is a descendant of ….
Rollo. (The viking that became ruler of Normany and whose decendants dominated the royal families of Europe for like, forever. William the Conqueror was his descendents, as was Richard the Lionhearted, just to name a few. I listed all this in a previous comment. The first prime troubadour I mentioned way back in the Hail to the V post was William the Troubadour the dude that wrote and sang the odes on which Courtly Love was to be formed. And this guy was a Great Grandson of Rollo and actually quite alpha to the max. Eleanor of Acquitane was his granddaughter. She married both Louis II of France and King Henry II of England. She is thought to be the creator of Courtly Love. )
Now as I peruse the comments that have degraded to whether or not game works and I feel there is a conflation and a confusion of “game”.
There is “game”, but also “game, and yet still, “game.” And yes they have conflated into a single and often misdefined definition or description of “Game”. Yes, there was original “Game” as it was defined in the book by Neil Strauss and it encompasses the verbal and behavioral tacts delineated by Strauss in his book. And much of what Roissy writes about is in this vein. And deservedly so, there is debate as the effectiveness of these tactics for all men.
And second there is the other side of “game”., inner game that is much the focus of Roosh’s writing, the idea of personal development in addition to this other “game.
Yet there is still a third component of “game” and that component is theme of this blog Rational male.
I bumped into a topic this week from Micheal Foccault I have no idea why I have never heard of it before. It is a called “Governmentalism” and it delineates the whole essence of Modernism, and it did so to the point that I have stopped referring to Post Modernism and actually now called it Neo Modernism.
In explaining this topic, Foccault delved into the change from Sovereignity to this concept of Governmentality. And a cheap 50 cent description of it by some professor was to split the term into two words “government” and mentality. And by this he meant that Governmentality is comprised of two aspects.
There is the outer aspect, the cultural values and institutions of society, the core values of a society that are manifested in law and cultural beliefs. Government is not governmentality, but is merely the tactic of it. It is more than just the legislature, judiciary, and organs of bureaucracy. Those are how government is implemented. It is also the culture, the media, civil society. The key is that those laws and institutions are “Tweeked”, and individuals in pursuing their own self interest within the laws and the watchful eye of society will then do as they ought.
The second aspect is that society decides what is “truth” and what is “knowledge”. And it disseminates and educates it citizens in that in this education and preparation it creates the “reasonable man”. He understands what constitutes health, goodness, fairness and also understands that society is watching him. Therefore is self monitors and regulates his behavior in manners that are both good for him and for society as a whole.
And Governmentality implies sometimes it is necessary for the terrain of ideas to be swept clear and new ideas forged such that new options, new choices, new values are deployed so that each person may better actualize themselves and contribute to the greater society. The more important aspect of govermentality is that individuals primarily govern themselves.
But we believe that this Governmentality as it is implemented today imposes on men what might be called “malign encouragement” that they might undertake actions that are not in the best interest of themselves nor men in general.
The “governing” cultural narrative imposes “necessitousness” on men. It attempts in all manners possible to raise the cost of sex to men and to create this necessitous nature in men . It has been both biologically selected and culturally reinforced. And it exists in contrast to the nature of the sacrifice men make to be with women, the cost and impositions on men by relationships with women in comparison with that which men receive in return. Women are not necessary and are in fact, a burden to men, yet men are compelled to be “necessitous”.
And “necessitousness” is the number one issue of modern men. The feminized nature that modern men have acquired through this new “governmentality” is a problem but its effect is made more problematic by “necessitousness”. The choosiness and inflated egos of women are a problem but aggravated also by “necessitousness”. The abuse of men in relationships and marriage by polyandric tendencies of women and by hypergamy is a problem, but only made possible by “necessitousness”. The tragedy of divorce and break up for men due to the fickleness of women is a problem but deepened and elongated by “necessitousness”, both in letting go and in some sense of urgency that forces men not to be clear of a prior woman until he is securely “situated” with a new woman.
It is debatable ( and it is because rdebate is occurring not because I doubt its efficacy) whether “game” via “crimson arts” engenders an improvement in “success” with women that overcomes the natural attractiveness of men or lack of it, other than removing self imposed blocks. It is debatable whether “game” improves “success” with women such that self improvement, both physically and in social and financial realms overcomes the inherent physical and social situations of men with respect to the “choice” tendencies of women.
And it is possibly fair to claim that neither of these two forms of “game” removes “necessitousness” and in fact further engenders it in the minds of men. “Game” with its emphasis on the “crimson arts” and its obsession with approaching and practice creates it own form of “necessitousness”. And “game” with the idea of self-improvement and life restructuring, all with the intended goal of better success with women, creates a different “necessitousness”. All actions, all choices, all effort is still made with women in mind.
And further I would even propose that this constant emphasis on approaching, on success with women as a metric to male success, has even further aggravated the problem. I make an analogy. I was in Las Vegas this week. I walked in front the MGM Grand and the Showcase mall and was just barraged by hawkers on the street with some offer. After the first few, one of them could have been offering me a free suite at the Mandarin and sex with Britney Spears, but he never got a chance to do so because I avoided eye contact and blew all of them off before they could get two words out of their mouths. And on the way back I made sure to walk in front of City Center because that sidewalk is private and security is enforced by City Center. So there were no hawkers on that side of the street. So women get sick of constant approaches, disregard them instantly, assume the worst of men before they get two words out their mouth and they avoid places where approaches can happen.
But “game”, this game, this blog, our “game” over here on Rational Male makes “necessitousness” as its number one concern. Look at Year One, post one,, “There is no One” and its debunking of the soul mate myth and its rejection of Oneitis. And this game attacks “necessitousness” over and over via the explanations of the truths about women, hypergamy, conditional “love” and polyandric tendencies so inherent in women. It does not pain a pretty picture of them as people and furthermore, it, over and over, illustrates the stupidity and even the immaturity of “necessitousness”.
So there is no debate that this “game” works. If you adopt it in its entirety surely you will purge yourself of “necessitousness”. It has been accused of destroying the possibility of “happiness” because it keeps men from loving as they would if they never heard of it.
But I say, quite the contrary, it can “ensure” happiness because happiness is the absence of unhappiness. And furthermore this “game” is the an aspect of fundamental tenet of Buddhism, quite unintentionally, but it is. The Four Great Noble Truths of Buddhism are
1) Life is suffering.
2) You suffer because of your desires.
3( You can end your suffering by ceasing your desires.
4) You end your suffering due to desires by following the Eight Fold Path.
And the primary intention of this path is an end to “necessitousness”.
And we seek to “clear the terrain of ideas” and impose our own to create our own new sets of options so that we . And yes, these ideas will forge new options, new choices such that each man may better actualize themselves and contribute to society on his own terms, in his own way.
And we govern ourselves as we see fit.
We, the neo-modern descendants of Rollo.
July 13th, 2014 at 10:49 am
Mike Winter: may I suggest you keep your posts shorter because no one is going to read all that. Just post a link to the website for those that are interested
Martin:
Congratulations on the lay
I can say that once I also had a fling with a pretty girl. She was significantly better looking than me, and I figured I had zero chance with her because she literally told me straight up that my face lacked masculinity when I met her. Then a few months later she contacted me out of the blue and showed up at my place with beer. I was walking on air.
But does that mean i started posting that I had the special mojo to get girls? She said she liked my positive attitude or personality or something, does that mean I was suddenly an authority on game? No. It was fools luck, as was your experience likely. Over all the other years, 100% of women with options (ie, not morbidly obese – but even those can be hypergamous) treat me like i have a contagious disease, while turning into putty around guys who are tall with good faces, propositioning them for sex.
caprizchka:
See above. Most girls have simply too many options to select for any but classically handsome men.. the only possibility I could see would be an allowance for “ugly masculine”, caveman looking dudes like Vladimir Klitschko. But still, dominant behavior has nothing to do with it. Women (and men) will not accept dominant behavior from guys who have beta facial features and small frames. It’s incongruent.
July 13th, 2014 at 10:50 am
*sorry Michael, not Martin
July 13th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
I thank you sincerely for your comment, jacklabear, and agree those are a lot of plusses. To be quite honest, a far better deal than many will find. I would be honored to help if I could: follow the bread crumbs :)
July 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Have a look at this image: http://oi58.tinypic.com/rqvos9.jpg
Some things pop up for me as I look at it: Hypergamy, Biomechanics, Sexual Market Value, and The Feminine Imperative.
Care to name some more?
July 13th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
holisticgame wrote:
I vehemently disagree with the entirety of this sentiment.
It denies basic, foundational and fundamental, evolutionarily programmed and pre-programmed socio-biological behavior.
Humans DO have psychological needs. We are NOT self sufficient.
No amount of philosophy or internal alchemy changes that fact.
You can’t just “accept yourself”. No amount of self love will fulfill your socio-sexual needs. There is no loving kindness meditation nor masturbation nor anything one can do alone that fulfills the very real need MOST men DO have for loving sexual relations with real live women.
July 13th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
Rollo wrote:
This is why the “irrational self confidence” self-hypnotic confidence boosting approach is so pernicious. Because it is a deliberate lie as to a mans true conditions. A short term confidence boost that can easily become a life destroying mental habit, in the long run.
July 13th, 2014 at 2:41 pm
All this “love yourself and people will love you” crap is complete garbage pushed by people selling self help books or those delusional about their own advantages. No rational guy believes in this. I’d expect it coming out of some stupid Cosmo magazine for girls rather than a serious manosphere discussion.
July 13th, 2014 at 2:56 pm
Narec said:
A persons vibe does have a social influence. Even towards sexual attraction. And that influence can be quite large.
Like many here, I agree that looks count for a lot. But I’m 5’8″ and quite balding and 99% of the time any nightclub I go into I will be the ugliest guy there. I was able to have modest success in the US, and have a long history of having medium term (6 month to 4 year) serial and parallel relationships with women several points above my attractiveness. I have seen with my own eyes how, as a short and relatively ugly guy, I can have a much bigger sexual and psychological impact on a womans life than taller and more handsome competition. I see and live this life, all the time.
What you say is only partially true, and partial truths are the most dangerous of all.
You ignore the wider context and territory surrounding your pet truth, and take the elephants leg as the whole elephant.
July 13th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
correction: I was able to have modest success in the US, and have a long history of having medium term (6 month to 4 year) serial and parallel relationships with women several points above my attractiveness here in SEA.
And the impact of self-love on relationships can be quite big – a warm paternal vibe is sexy.
I’m all for developing self love.
But to imply that this is some sort of substitute for sexual love or that humans are not fundamentally at their core socially interdependent is a philosophical flaw that is so far outside of reality as to be a thought that damages anyone who holds it.
July 13th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
Napolean said:
Have you noticed any short sexy girls in this world? I have. I’ve even found entire villages full of little people. If you are short there are areas of the world where you are no longer short. In SEA it’s easy to find very attractive girls under 5 feet tall.
The challenge of height can be overcome, if you can overcome many other challenges, such as developing a portable income.
July 13th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
xsplat- “You can’t just ‘accept yourself’. No amount of self love will fulfill your socio-sexual needs. There is no loving kindness meditation nor masturbation nor anything one can do alone that fulfills the very real need MOST men DO have for loving sexual relations with real live women.”
That’s an excellent point.
But hypegamy, and therefore women, don’t give a shit. There’s no such thing as true love, women can’t fill that void the best they can do is create the illusion.
July 13th, 2014 at 4:39 pm
So what?
You work with what you got. If love is illusory, know that precisely, and work with that illusion. When two people work with that illusion, the illusion is perfectly real enough.
So what that it doesn’t last? So what the she doesn’t love you in the same way as you love her? A thousand so whats. Get to the point and milk the situation for what IS real. Oxytocin rich flow moments, ecstasy, bliss, sex, warm contentedness.
Love is real ENOUGH.
July 13th, 2014 at 6:09 pm
xsplat.. No offense but you’re basically a sex tourist in Vietnam or Thailand or at best one of those Happier Abroad expats that had to travel thousands of miles just to get a chance with halfway decent girls. I’m NOT saying it’s not a viable strategy, and is probably the smartest thing to do, but you’re in no position to be lecturing us with blue pill ideas about western girls.
July 13th, 2014 at 6:17 pm
xsplat,
Just so long as your not selling the lie as truth I agree. I don’t mind illusions so long as I’m not expected to believe they are real. The best way to get me to suspend my disbelief is by not overselling it.
July 13th, 2014 at 6:47 pm
A guy of European extraction in SE Asia is a foot above the local guys by default in terms of SMV status (usually even literally heightwise), so much of success there goes back to the issue of looks and status. 2 cents.
Good to see the importance of looks and (physical) frame get its due in the comments. The attitude and self-confidence is of little use unless the girl is even partially open to your approach — as induced by immediate physical attraction. (Saturation cold-approaching is of course one solution to that.) God knows, as I’ve got a master-class in the hate of orbiters and feminist/WKs within the last year due to the combination of looks and unapologising attitude. Orbiter/WK “mate-guarding” is an ugly thing when it culminates into an overdrive. Even in cases you aren’t making a single move on the cupcake in the first place…
As a World Cup final aside, I don’t remember seeing ever before players’ WaGs on the pitch before, sharing their hubbies’ moment of glory. That hugfest wouldn’t have happened with Kaiser Franz or Passarella on the pitch. How cynically the red pill makes you see innocent things…
July 13th, 2014 at 7:51 pm
@George Meeks:”More qualifications provided by caprizchka. If you’re an ugly AFC man, maybe you could qualify, check her list, do you measure up? Is there hope here? Do you fit her protocol?”
Why would you care? I’m an old hag and a weirdo besides.
“FYI Caprizchka NO male really WANTS to fuck an ugly chick. They ONLY do it out of desperation.”
Then there are a whole lot of desperate men unable to control themselves. I know “an ugly chick” who lives with two men and has a third on the side. Do I care? No. I don’t speak for all women however it would appear that you speak for all men. That’s interesting.
July 13th, 2014 at 8:07 pm
@narec: “Most girls have simply too many options to select for any but classically handsome men..”
Translation: most girls who you approach… There’s probably a whole world of girls who you don’t even notice or wouldn’t dream of approaching.
“the only possibility I could see would be an allowance for “ugly masculine”, caveman looking dudes like Vladimir Klitschko.”
Not my type. I’m more of a Danny Trejo aficionada.
“But still, dominant behavior has nothing to do with it. Women (and men) will not accept dominant behavior from guys who have beta facial features and small frames. It’s incongruent.”
Harder to pull off maybe but that’s what makes it interesting. A guy with a small frame is advised to hit up giantesses–they won’t see him coming.
July 13th, 2014 at 9:31 pm
@ Narec
It was not my intention to portray myself as ‘an authority on game’. I merely wanted to point out that it is not the end of the world to be short or ugly or without great muscles. Sure, we may not get the top-shelf hotties, but attracting a decent 6 or 7 is not impossible.
I’m almost 30, I’ve been with 9 girls so far in the 5 – 7 looks range (mostly 6). I love tall blonde chicks but I know how difficult it can be to attract them.
As an experiment, I spent 2 months some time ago approaching the most gorgeous chicks in clubs & bars. I ignored all but the hottest chicks. I got blown out 70% of the time within 30 seconds. Some just gave me a cold stare as though I was some kind of zombie. But a few turned out to be sweet as honey. I got a few numbers that sadly didn’t get me lays. They wouldn’t sleep with me but they were totally OK with talking to me for a few minutes.
But this experiment made me less intimidated by hot chicks. I think such an experiment is a great starting point for guys like you & me.
If you are seriously interested in improving your chances, visit the website of the PUA Yareally. http://yareallyarchive.com/. My attitude & perspective changed a lot after reading his posts. He was the game-changer for me.
July 13th, 2014 at 10:28 pm
Regarding the video
Muscle’s help but I can think of circumstances where it may not matter.
If a girl is drawn to a guy because of his physique, say a college girl, She may want to get with him mainly based on looks. But if she is someone who either knows or has been with athletes, if she sees this guy do something and he comes across as really uncoordinated, then the muscles he had that she was drawn to may not matter.
She’ll compare him to a guy with muscles who came do, and now see this guy as just having muscles and can’t do anything with them. Interest may evaporate.
July 14th, 2014 at 1:27 am
Narec; “lecturing blue pill ideas about western girls”? That’s what you took from my comments huh? When you wrench your attention away long enough from the fact that I’m in SEA?
You’re not good at listening or assimilating new ideas, are you?
You’re just talking your feewings out. And you don’t feewl like taking any action. You’re all justification and rationalization for your poor conditions.
When people poke holes in your world view you just paper up the holes, or dissimulate.
July 14th, 2014 at 2:06 am
About this (from a comment above): http[]//thoughtcatalog[]com/anne-gus/2014/07/its-time-we-sent-all-short-men-to-the-gas-chambers/
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Anne Gus, http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/ , writes satire.
The more obvious ones are also funny:
http[]//thoughtcatalog[]com/anne-gus/2014/07/i-was-catcalled-by-an-actual-cat-and-it-was-terrifying/
http[]//thoughtcatalog[]com/anne-gus/2014/07/drinking-coffee-is-racist/
July 14th, 2014 at 3:09 am
P.S.
I wasn’t trying to say anything against the commenter above.
“It’s time we sent all short men …” could have easily been a serious article, on a feminist site.
I just wanted to mention that Anne uses satire to make Manosphere points in a clever and entertaining way.