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		<title>By: Seething Lurker</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/comment-page-2/#comment-89560</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post from https://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/married-men-post-here-if-you-hate-your-life-2/ helped me understand the female experience of love:

I just wanted to re-iterate something. It’s not that women love you because they need you.Their love IS their need. They are the same thing. That is all their love is. They invented the word “love” and replaced it over the more honest fact of their need, and surrounded it with all this fictional bullshit, a hundred years back, to better trick men like you into committing to things without knowing what you’re getting into. They don’t love “you” at all. They love the image of you, what you provide to them that they want or need, what fantasy number you can help them check off of their internal list. If you look at a women’s life…her series of lovers that she takes…the high-school boyfriend, the college professor fling, the Harley-driving boyfriend, the rich stock broker boyfriend, the solid child-raising husband… All of the guys she “loves” are just a set of internal fantasy men that she has in her head from adolescence. When she finds a convenient guy who happens to fit a fantasy, she acquires him, experiences him, fucks him, whatever, so she can check off one row of her mental list of fantasy conquest boyfriends. In most cases if you ask her what the guy was actually LIKE, what he thought, what he cared about, etc, it’s unlikely she even noticed. His actual thoughts were irrelevant. His wants and needs, his dreams, weren’t something she was even conscious of, except to the extent that his dreams were part of her fantasy of him. He wasn’t really a human being at all, in her view.  Many women really view men as horses, and they are the riders. High-strung, maybe beautiful horses yes, but in the end, just animals to help them achieve their goals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post from <a href="https://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/married-men-post-here-if-you-hate-your-life-2/" rel="nofollow">https://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2009/07/23/married-men-post-here-if-you-hate-your-life-2/</a> helped me understand the female experience of love:</p>
<p>I just wanted to re-iterate something. It’s not that women love you because they need you.Their love IS their need. They are the same thing. That is all their love is. They invented the word “love” and replaced it over the more honest fact of their need, and surrounded it with all this fictional bullshit, a hundred years back, to better trick men like you into committing to things without knowing what you’re getting into. They don’t love “you” at all. They love the image of you, what you provide to them that they want or need, what fantasy number you can help them check off of their internal list. If you look at a women’s life…her series of lovers that she takes…the high-school boyfriend, the college professor fling, the Harley-driving boyfriend, the rich stock broker boyfriend, the solid child-raising husband… All of the guys she “loves” are just a set of internal fantasy men that she has in her head from adolescence. When she finds a convenient guy who happens to fit a fantasy, she acquires him, experiences him, fucks him, whatever, so she can check off one row of her mental list of fantasy conquest boyfriends. In most cases if you ask her what the guy was actually LIKE, what he thought, what he cared about, etc, it’s unlikely she even noticed. His actual thoughts were irrelevant. His wants and needs, his dreams, weren’t something she was even conscious of, except to the extent that his dreams were part of her fantasy of him. He wasn’t really a human being at all, in her view.  Many women really view men as horses, and they are the riders. High-strung, maybe beautiful horses yes, but in the end, just animals to help them achieve their goals.</p>
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		<title>By: The Love Experience &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Love Experience &#124;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2015 06:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] first thing we need to consider is the Male Experience vs. the female experience. I hate to get too existential, but it comes down to our individuated [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] first thing we need to consider is the Male Experience vs. the female experience. I hate to get too existential, but it comes down to our individuated [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/comment-page-2/#comment-77131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vincent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I very much appreciate the article, many of the comments I find slightly disturbing.

There is conflict, but we don&#039;t solve the conflict by being bigger assholes. We solve it through mutual understanding. We cannot brute force this argument. The Red Pill men out there (myself not included, as I only partially subscribe to that mindset) are attempting to use dominance and aggression to push women back into a subservient role. This is only furthering the flame war between the sexes.

Men and women are different. We know that. Most men, these days, are not TRPers (thank god), but have experienced some high degree of misandry in their life because of the assault on the concept of differences. People try to spread their experiences to others in the same gender, in the same position - but that only reinforces existing beliefs, rather than challenging them.

If we want to stop this problem in its tracks, the rational ones amongst us and amongst women must reach out to one another and try to understand the other&#039;s position in a calm setting, without issuing challenges to one another. A person&#039;s experiences are always legitimate, no matter what sex they are - and while they pass close to one another in opposing directions, they do not collide violently unless someone aims them at eachother.

If we want to be recognized as having our own lives and experiences that most women will never have, then we need to bring that up alongside the simple fact that most men will never have many of the experiences and lives that women have, and work towards acceptance as a society. We are not better. We are the other side of the same coin of humanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I very much appreciate the article, many of the comments I find slightly disturbing.</p>
<p>There is conflict, but we don&#8217;t solve the conflict by being bigger assholes. We solve it through mutual understanding. We cannot brute force this argument. The Red Pill men out there (myself not included, as I only partially subscribe to that mindset) are attempting to use dominance and aggression to push women back into a subservient role. This is only furthering the flame war between the sexes.</p>
<p>Men and women are different. We know that. Most men, these days, are not TRPers (thank god), but have experienced some high degree of misandry in their life because of the assault on the concept of differences. People try to spread their experiences to others in the same gender, in the same position &#8211; but that only reinforces existing beliefs, rather than challenging them.</p>
<p>If we want to stop this problem in its tracks, the rational ones amongst us and amongst women must reach out to one another and try to understand the other&#8217;s position in a calm setting, without issuing challenges to one another. A person&#8217;s experiences are always legitimate, no matter what sex they are &#8211; and while they pass close to one another in opposing directions, they do not collide violently unless someone aims them at eachother.</p>
<p>If we want to be recognized as having our own lives and experiences that most women will never have, then we need to bring that up alongside the simple fact that most men will never have many of the experiences and lives that women have, and work towards acceptance as a society. We are not better. We are the other side of the same coin of humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Vulnerability &#124;</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/comment-page-2/#comment-69884</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] still rely on an outdated formula which presumes the male experience is inferior, a sham, in comparison to the female experience, and then presumes to know what the [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] still rely on an outdated formula which presumes the male experience is inferior, a sham, in comparison to the female experience, and then presumes to know what the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Love Series &#124; Rivelino&#039;s Diary</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/comment-page-2/#comment-58935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Love Series &#124; Rivelino&#039;s Diary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2014 00:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Male Experience September 10, 2013 link [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The Male Experience September 10, 2013 link [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The old male ideas of success &#124; The Evian Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/comment-page-2/#comment-54569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The old male ideas of success &#124; The Evian Chronicles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2014 08:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] But either feminist and anti-feminist would be sadly mistaken to believe that power and money are te true old male ideas of success. They are not. What they are, are nothing more than means to an end. An end, defined by one of the strongest powers in a mans life, as explained by The Rational Male here. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] But either feminist and anti-feminist would be sadly mistaken to believe that power and money are te true old male ideas of success. They are not. What they are, are nothing more than means to an end. An end, defined by one of the strongest powers in a mans life, as explained by The Rational Male here. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Best of Rational Male – Year Three &#124;</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2013/09/10/the-male-experience/comment-page-2/#comment-54003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Best of Rational Male – Year Three &#124;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The Male Experience [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 02:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love this. I had a girl, then a boy. The boy&#039;s behavior was markedly different. The one thing that stood out was that, as soon as he was capable, he&#039;d pick up sticks when we went on walks and swing them around. I spoke with other mothers and finally understood that this was a uniquely male behavior. This small thing began my path of understanding that the male experience really is different from women. They&#039;ve got their own vulnerabilities and insecurities and drives.

And they *need* other males to be psychologically healthy - just as women need time with one another. 

I fully agree that society is, right now, working from a female-centric perspective and it&#039;s frustrating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this. I had a girl, then a boy. The boy&#8217;s behavior was markedly different. The one thing that stood out was that, as soon as he was capable, he&#8217;d pick up sticks when we went on walks and swing them around. I spoke with other mothers and finally understood that this was a uniquely male behavior. This small thing began my path of understanding that the male experience really is different from women. They&#8217;ve got their own vulnerabilities and insecurities and drives.</p>
<p>And they *need* other males to be psychologically healthy &#8211; just as women need time with one another. </p>
<p>I fully agree that society is, right now, working from a female-centric perspective and it&#8217;s frustrating.</p>
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