The Script

script

There is a certain formula most romantic comedies rely on to convey how relations between men and women ought to go. It’s an old formula, as in Shakespeare and Greek antiquity old. It goes something like this:

An avowed Alpha bachelor for life questions the existence and nature of love, the sincerity of women, the illogic of not living just for his own self-importance, certainly the institution of marriage and lives, according to his rules, a satisfying life. He rationally observes the “madness” of his friends and fellow men when they fall in love, and out of it. He either mocks their foolishness or is analytical to the core in understanding their madnesses. He is an elemental force of one – a captain controlling the course of his own ship. He’s not wrong in his estimations; they all add up, they all make deductive, provable sense.

That is until he meets her. The ONE special woman who miraculously, alone amongst billions, has the unique power to bring the facade of all that he thinks he is into stark, insightful self-realization. He’s bit by the bug, smitten by the only woman who could fatefully tame the arrogance of his otherwise cruel rationalism. It’s akin to a religious conversion; he’s seen the light, he’s in love and all of his former concerns are proven to be falsehoods – it’s the triumph of true love! The one thing he was missing (the one thing only a woman can possess of course), the last piece to a puzzle he didn’t know he was  putting together, has been added and now he is complete. And they live happily ever after,…

Every writer from Shakespeare to Bronte, to modern writers, use some variation of this outline. The locations, time periods and actors change, but the basic story doesn’t. If you need a contemporary example watch Gerard Butler (King Leonidas, 300) in The Ugly Truth. The reason this formula is so successful and timeless is because it is essentially the fantasy of love and emotionalism trumping logic and reason. Women naturally love this because it puts them into the position of being the ‘cure’ to a man’s illness while making him look like a brooding, sulking, bitter child for clinging so tenaciously to his rationalism, when all he was really pouting about was feeling unloved.

All his intense powers of rationality, all of his implicitly provable facts, all of his monuments and achievements of deduction mean nothing without the only irrational thing a woman can uniquely supply – unknowable, fantastical love. It’s part and parcel of the Myth of the Feminine Mystique which makes women the gatekeepers of the knowledge of love; don’t try to understand it with your silly boy-logic, just leave well enough alone and be eternally grateful to whichever god you worship that a woman has favored you with the love you need to be perfected.

In this story, the build-up to men realizing this is what stokes the feminine indignation that sustains women’s interest, but the real satisfaction is summed up at the end when he finally concedes to the feminine imperative and drops all his pretense and submits to love.

The satisfaction doesn’t last long though, because it was the build-up, the tension, the anxiety, the want of a woman to scream at the TV, “SHE LOVES YOU!! JUST GET IT YOU STUPID MAN!!” that was making it at all interesting. Once he’s submitted and seen her light, all of that fades away to predictable, boring comfort. She’s done with that romance novel, puts it in the pile of them at the garage sale, and moves on to the next. And he’s left with all the echoes of his past rationalism, and explaining to all those he’s influenced and built his reputation upon, how love conquers all and how wrong he was all along.

For that man, it’s the last chapter in the vindication of feminine primacy.

And they lived happily ever after,..

For women, the only thing better than experiencing this script vicariously through movies and stories is to see it happen live. David D’Angelo, Tucker Max are a few manosphere notable who’ve played the come-full-circle surrender to the script. There are far more guys who play it in a more visual sense (the repentant ‘Womanizer’ episodes on the Tyra Banks show comes to mind), but no one really remembers them, and certainly not in the ‘sphere. While there’s a sense of vindication for women to have a guy surrender his anti-social (i.e. anti-feminine primary) lifestyle and beliefs in favor of a feminine paradigm, and “settle down” into a feminine framed, normalized monogamy, surrender is still surrender. Essentially the strong vibrant man who posed such a challenge to her, the one who’s steadfast determination and conviction made him a man she was hot for as well as one she could respect, loses his status.

He’ll say, hey, you don’t know where I’m at in life, you don’t know the experiences I’ve had, life has taught me the value of compromise. Women fundamentally lack the capacity to appreciate the sacrifices a man must make to facilitate a feminine reality, but if there’s one thing women outright despise, one thing men foolishly believe women should be able to appreciate, it’s a man willing to compromise the beliefs he’s established his reputation and integrity upon in order to facilitate her feminine reality. That’s the definition of a sell-out.

After the happily ever after comes the living. He can console himself in his new paradigm, he can hole up in a cocoon of domestication and simply not answer the phone calls of all his old friends who are also playing into the script, who are really only waiting to commiserate with him, but his new domesticity compromise wont allow him to. His old life is gone right? Love conquered him, made him a new man, ready to live up to the new, correct, feminine expectations he formerly railed against, but has been enlightened to and now calls his new masculine purpose. He’s been converted.

He looks into that girl’s eyes, the one who changed him for the better, but the memory of the urgency, the desire to tame him, the adrenaline he inspired all seem like an old song that reminds her of that thrill.

 

I would never wish ill on my fellow man, no matter his crimes, no matter his station, so I wont do so now. I sincerely hope nothing but the best for any man making this surrender, he will need every good fortune that comes along in the face of compromising his reputation and purpose in order to facilitate a woman’s primacy.

However, I’ll add that I also make it my policy never to speak ill of the dead.


142 responses to “The Script

  • damnson

    Uh…. Rollo, read Shakespeare a bit more carefully. While I can’t quite speak for all the comedies, let me tell you that “The Taming of the Shrew” is, despite its modern adaptations into modern Rom-Com that omit the crucial ending scene, very much a red pill story.

    Take the ending, after Petrucchio weds Kate. The three former bachelors, after taunting Petrucchio about his choice of wife, have a contest to see which wife will come when asked. Only Kate does so….and I wonder why?

    This interesting reversal introduces the idea that Bianca and the rich widow that Hortensio marries are actually shrews, as evinced by the way Lucentio wooed Bianca, with praise and proclamations of undying love and disguising himself as her tutor, etc. etc. Kate, the shrew for much of the story, becomes the loving wife of an alpha, while Bianca and the widow show contempt for their beta husbands’ commands.

    Which suggests to me that Shakespeare had taken the red pill, but did not dare to outright say it.

    Also, this so-called “script” exists nowhere in Greek antiquity.

  • SMinter666

    Everyone is bitching about some dude getting groupie sex/marriage, when only 1% of the commenters have ever even been offered groupie sex before. I can think of maybe five guys that comment here that might have the charisma for groupies. Sometimes I wish I had that kind of chutzpah, but i’m too lazy, and bongrips are much easier. All these bloggers make it sound like it’s easy to have an interesting online persona. Perhaps for you. To me it sounds like a lot of work. And that’s why they get the groupies.

  • Judge nismo

    Maybe I should write a movie like this! It’ll make hella money! But if I write a movie about the red pill truth, women are gonna riot!

  • Bobb Dobbs

    We tend to over-estimate the rationality of the male mind. Truth is we evolved from monkey-type brains. This whole love-bonding thing is a hardwired behavior pattern for parents to hang together long enough to raise babies.

    We can call it “one-it is” but overcoming it is like overcoming our desire for sex itself, which is also hardwired. These things are not easily done.

    We seem to grasp the concept of the female hindbrain versus the forebrain and the “rationalizing hamster” in between.

    We realize this is how women do behave, rather than how we think they “should” behave.

    Similarly we can examine how men do behave (including how it affects mating strategies.) But we’re reaching quite a bit when we start to claim there is a way men “ought” to behave.

    We can use our observations to make predictions about how such matings will turn out. And we can express our (current) opinions on whether we like such matings or not. But if we say such matings ought or ought not happen, we are stepping away from the science of observation and into the realm of arbitrary religion/philosophy.

  • Höllenhund

    As far as The Private Man is concerned, his motive is clear:

    “Several times since I’ve made the change to my profile, I have lost dating opportunities because women have read my blog(s).”

    http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/2013/07/26/new-comment-policy/

    Giving away your blogger identity is a bad idea, in case someone didn’t notice.

  • Socialkenny PUA

    I’d like to see that Tyra Banks episode you cited Roll. The media and Hollywood had laid out a certain script which most guys follow which is that men should be subservient in love and so forth. Few guys who manage to break out the matrix see it differently.

  • Coyy

    Ahhh….rollo, This MM and GK affair has just taken investment of your time and energy. Just keep writing and debating ideas it’s what you do best.
    For most however the manosphere has become a sort of buffer. An easy substitute for keyboard jockeying. Hence the frenzy over MM affair. it has put a wrench in their ” i hate marriage ” circlejerk .Forget it man. This blog like everything else is just a tool. Learn , use and contribute. Kapish

  • mikec74

    Rollo,

    Thought you might like to know Susan turned off commenting over at HUS. You had that called from Day 1 that having any real debate and discussion over there was a farce.

  • Rollo Tomassi

    Yep, I tweeted about it. I doubt it’ll last though. She can only go so long before her ego needs the medicine only her sycophants can give her.

  • Rotten

    Im late to this discussion, and haven’t read the comments. So I just wanted to add that the trope referred to in the article is called “the players gets played.”

    Act one. The player establishes his alpha cred by doing alpha actions

    Act two. The player meets the girl breaking some of the rules of player cred established in Act One

    Act three. The girl shit tests the guy possibly even dumping him and he chooses the girl over the player lifestyle for good.

    This makes for a good fictional story, but real life doesn’t work out this way. The guy who has left the things that made him attactive and not boring is now just a boring another guy. If he keeps it up, things will go south. The man the girl got is not the man she was attracted to.

    When a dude abandons his character for a girl, usually this turns off the girl.

  • sunshinemary

    @ Rollo
    re: Susan’s comments about where you supposedly live

    I think it is atrocious that she revealed personal information about you. It is like a code of honor among blog administrators not to do that to their commenters. Why did she do it?

  • Rollo Tomassi

    It was funny because I was living in Florida when she posted that.

  • HanSolo

    Before the comment ban she deleted one of my comments. I used to love HUS a year and a half ago or two but it has gotten more and more totalitarian and more and more people have been driven away or chose to leave the madness. You can add me to that list now. The odd thing is I used to argue in her defense with Obsidian. But after many arguments where reasoning with her is like hitting your head against a wall and she just twists your words time and again you finally tire of it. Plus the excessive accusations like calling Desiderius a pedophile just gradually started to turn me off.

  • HanSolo

    This post from Yohami seems quite appropriate:

    http://yohami.com/blog/2012/05/29/my-hus-love-story/

    I feel somewhat the same.

  • HanSolo

    I will credit HUS for much of my red pill enlightenment. Mostly it came from the other commenters that used to be tolerated there, and gradually branching out to read other blogs, and eventually starting my own with a few other guys.

  • senorasilvermouse

    Recently I’ve been lurking on these websites that are written from a man’s perspective. As a woman, I don’t appreciate male bashing or women who say they need to “train” their husbands. It’s refreshing to see a different perspective.

    Many of the complaints posted here against modern women (and against modern society) are valid. But after just two weeks, I’m already bored. I’m not meaning to collectively insult you, but can’t you turn your minds to something useful? Isn’t the loss of liberties in the US something to think about? Maybe bureaucratic overreach caused by legislative power given to unelected officials?

    Really, you are no different than the butch/bitchy women who complain all day about the penile hierarchy. Sure, I side with your grievances; you make more sense than the feminists who complain about unequal pay yet don’t bat an eye over the enslavery of the female half of Saudi Arabia.

    But you’re obsessing with something unimportant. You know you’re right. Live that way. In the meantime, start being constructive American citizens. No wonder our country is in such a mess. According to you, most men are pussy-whipped, watching sports and drinking beer.

    I guess the guys who aren’t pussy whipped are either CRYING in their beers for a lost era or posting endless comments and articles about….Yawn. God I AM SO bored.

    Cheerio. I’m returning to the websites with men who care about something besides their BODIES and their FEELINGS. Men who are thinking about ideals such as liberty and justice and the constitution.

    Wait. Is that it? Are you all progressives? You’ve been politically emasculated as well?

  • Anonymous Reader

    Speaking of Giggles, she’s shut down comments at HUS, for an undetermined period of time. I didn’t expect that this year..

    Perhaps Mark and Kate can invite Hugo Schwyzer to be best man? He doesn’t have to attend the wedding, he could just cam in…pretty sure he has time on his hands right now.

  • BlackPoisonSoul

    @senorasilvermouse – alas, darling troll, we didn’t know you well…oh shit, I just destroyed Shakespeare. Now I feel ass-shamed.

    She’s right you know, we should all go and make millions of dollars as handymen and become as good at 50 Shades of BDSM as m’seur Grey and become more laconic and finally man up and marry those sluts…

    *popcorn*

  • Bel Riose

    Looks like Matt King and Feministx will be the next to tie the knot.

    Here’s an excerpt from one of Matt’s recent posts at her blog:

    _____

    …..this most essential advice is not emphasized enough in girl game. It’s what I told Kate of l’affaire Minter long ago, by the way. It’s what I told Petite Olive, what I told Maya, what I told … It is what I tell the girls and women I know. It is universally applicable, no matter how old you are.

    A woman on her own simply cannot navigate her own hypergamy. It is nearly certain she will steer herself into tragedy, left to her own devices. It’s why FemX yearns for daddy, replaces him with old men, mixes her sexuality into her striving for manliness. She needs a man who loves her but not sexually, whom she can trust, whom she is devoted to, whose advice she will follow implicitly.

    …..I am big brother to many women, young and old, married and unmarried……

    My love has a clarity and a purpose, and it is all in a single direction, giving, never taking. Which is how I can readily say I love FemX without confusing it the way she and the rest of our hypersexualized culture does. That kind of love does not have to be exclusive or jealous, and there is absolutely no end to the supply. It is eternal…

    _____

    Matt King: “big brother to many women” (translation: Beta Male Orbiter to Many Women); in love with Feministx. You heard it here first, folks. Matt and Feministx will be the next internet couple.

  • Rollo Tomassi

    It’s manosphere Christmas! Hugo Schwyzer goes down, Aunt Sue closes comments indefinitely and now Matt King is cyber-loving Femenistix!

    http://feministx.wordpress.com/2013/07/30/my-infatuation/#comments

  • Anonymous Reader

    My dear, old, grey haired mother used to tell me “Things happen in threes”…

  • Tom

    I still love Dick Masterson after all that’s been said and done. If ol’ Dick ever marries though…

  • lurker

    Rollo — here is another illustration of hypergamy for you. Maybe another “Hypergamy doesn’t care ….” type of situation here.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/cowell_married_sources_thing_wants_iXbOg6KsfD7FjZaSDxp6KP

  • The Other Jim

    Perhaps someone already brought this up, but the really weird part is the rapidity of how quickly Mark Minter went from rabid-red pill man to married schnook. I mean, I post here at Rollo’s, CH’s, and a few other places very infrequently, but everytime I popped in here Minter was on some 2000 word tirade against women, marriage, and the women in his life. In fact, it just seemed like it was only a month or two ago that MInter left his latest rant on Rollo’s blog.

    That it happened all so quickly is the weird and comical part. I mean, if this change of heart would have happened over a long period I could have bought into the tale but that it happened so fast is dodgy. Either that or you have some co-dependent people colliding with each other.

    As for the invite to Las Vegas to meet the “Groom” and his “Bride” it sounds like you and several other people are being set up for some catfishing sting.

    If Minter and Kate are legit, they can put up photo’s & video’s on their own. There’s no need to bring you, Roosh, and everyone else in on this.

    As for Aunt Giggles threatening to stalk and ‘out’ you, damn Rollo, you must have really humiliated her on HUS. That’s the kind of reaction I’ve seen from bitter scorned ex-girlfriends.

  • The Other Jim

    Ok, one more thing. This bit about Hugo Schwyzer. Best entertainment this month! What a mess.

    There’s another aspect that hasn’t been answered regarding the photo’s of him jacking off in the plane on his way back from the Ukraine back in January 2013. Does anyone know why he was in the Ukraine in the first place? Unless it was for some conference, the only reason for a guy like Schwyzer to go is sex tourism. I see guys like Schwyzer all over SE Asia. Not just straight guys looking for some Thai/Filipina pussy but gay men looking for young asian males. These guys have figured out that paying out the extra cash and taking a month long vacation is easier than dealing with trolling for sex in your own backyard.

    Just a gut feeling about Hugo…

  • Bobb Dobbs

    Wasn’t there a article here the other day about Christmas or something that suddenly disappeare?

  • avd

    From the past two years of unceasing divide and conquer dissention being sown and pushed in the MS, who stands to benefit the most? (Hint, Rollo: it’s NOT Aunt Giggles, whoever that is.) Who has hard cash on the line and investors to please? Who does the MS hurt (besides feminists)? Whose livelihood does the MS threaten? Who has the time and resources and employees to engage the MS in multi-party “epic trolling,” over extended time periods? A blogger? I don’t think so. What singular entity has attacked: xsplat, Rollo, Roosh, and COUNTLESS other online personas? COUNTLESS. Let me repeat that: COUNTLESS. How many free-thinking, clearly independent contributors has that entity driven out of the community? (I miss those guys. I didn’t agree with everything they said, but I appreciated the fact that they honestly shared from their lives.) What entity, like a crack dealer, fosters dependence of readers on its content, rather than promoting independent thinking?

    Gentlemen, there is only one entity that has engaged in all of the above. Only one. Why has the community gone to shit in the past two years? It can all be traced back to that same entity. The vast majority of us have no desire to bicker and argue. The vast majority of us have no desire to compete in juvenile amog contests (especially when no pussy is even on the line). The vast majority of us will NEVER turn to obscenely priced, for-profit , internet marketing hucksters for something so fundamental in our lives as relating to the egg-bearing gender of our species—NEVER. (Internet marketing hucksters create false “problems” like the mythical “amog,” so that you will purchase their obscenely priced “solution” to that problem that they made up in the first place.) What singular entity feebly attempts to undermine all parties in the MS, and then attempts to redirect readers to a for-profit pickup site? What entity single-handedly brought all the negative divide and conquer energy and attitude to the MS, at large? Who brought that energy to the MS? Who benefits?

    I humbly suggest that the community grab sack, refuse to allow any further divide and conquer bullshit to affect us, and tell the internet marketing hucksters to go pound sand (or THEIR version of 10s). Else the internet marketing hucksters will use US to destroy what WE built, leaving only their obscenely priced huckster solutions in the void. Let’s not allow that. How? It’s real simple. Shun the fucks who try to push us to obscenely priced solutions. If they are unable to share with the community from the ORIGINAL experience of their OWN lives WITHOUT referring us to a commercial for-profit company, then by definition, their commentary is illegitimate in the MS—they have NOTHING GENUINE to offer. If we want for-profit commercial content, we are all free to go and purchase it, from whichever vendor. However, I don’t think that’s why any of us read the MS, now, is it? (Rollo’s upcoming book, I trust, will not be an obscenely priced solution. I’m talking about info frauducts that cost hundreds of dollars, and boot camps that cost thousands of dollars, sold via HEAVY HANDED conversion copy LIES.)

    It’s up to you gentlemen: defend the MS that WE built, or let it fall to the pickup industry scammers. Your choice. Don’t let yourself down on this one.

    I did not bother to post this on CH.

  • FuriousFerret

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    YaReally is a pretty awesome poster. I have no clue why some people want to talk ill of him.

    All he has ever done is try to provide FREE information to help other men. He also links to FREE videos on game concepts. He offers FREE feedback on situations and field reports.

    Plus he’s pretty funny guy and he entertains me with his comments.

  • avd

    Commenters probably comprise ten percent of the readership. Furious has cast his vote, and I respect that. What of the rest of you? Ye or ne? You guys want an open source community, or a for-profit pickup industry community? They each have their respective pros/cons. I’m very curious where this will resolve. Are you guys going to fight to defend what you built over many years, or cave to interlopers? Inquiring minds want to know.

  • YaReally

    lolololol this made my night. Now I’m the rich boogeyman with a staff of thousands employing puppets to fake marriages and destroy the entire manosphere lol. This is awesome. You are my favorite hater ever and I hope you keep going with this so I can see what comes next. But I wish you wouldn’t waste Rollo’s comment space on it.

    For the record, as I’ve said before:

    1) I heart Rollo. I never talk smack about him. His blog and CH’s are my favorites and I like that Rollo focuses on a deeper overall long-term game discussing bigger over-arching concepts VS the more surface-level pickup stuff CH tends to focus on. But xsplat was an alcoholic hiring 3rd world prostitues and Roosh can’t get laid in North America because his game is too sloppy/weak to survive any kind of obstacles…he’s basically using Fool’s Mate as his primary game.

    If Roosh worked on his game and tightened it up, instead of just making excuses and blaming external things for his lack of self-development, I would fully support him. I posted on xsplat’s blog trying to help him learn that you don’t need alcohol to be social and have fun because it was a crutch to him, but I think he deleted it or insulted me or something, I don’t really remember…or care lol. I call out guys who are full of shit when I see it and I have enough experience to spot it because I regularly meet hundreds of guys who are full of shit out in the field. I regularly give kudos to the guys who I can tell are legit.

    2) I don’t recommend bootcamps or paying for any material. I was in the PUA community before it commercialized back when all the information was shared for free. There is more than enough free information out there for any guy to learn and excel at game through it and everything I link to or recommend is free except in extreme cases (like Blackdragon’s eBooks on mLTRs because that’s an obscure subject and he knows his shit and it’s cheap). I’m not affiliated with anyone and in fact I actually probably lose money when I spend time writing my comments to help guys because that’s time I could be spending working and earning money lol but the PUA community was started by men helping other men to all better ourselves and that’s the mindset I still believe in.

    I only link to RSD videos a lot because they have literally hundreds of free videos on YouTube that cover almost every aspect of game and explain the concepts really well. I link to videos/articles from other companies as well…all I care about is whether the information is legit and helpful or not and I’ll always go out of my way to dig up free articles/videos over paid to recommend guys.

    I will be more than happy to link to your extremely value-giving free videos, avd. Where are they? What’s that? You haven’t made any? Well you have in-field videos of you successfully doing cold-approach pickup like the RSD guys right? No? Well shit…I guess I’ll have to link to that evil asshole Tyler who actively encourages people to pirate RSD’s DVD products (anyone reading this, go download Foundations for external game and Blueprint for internal game, both are full of value and worth the watch).

    3) Before you criticize me, ask yourself what value you’re bringing to the table and Manosphere. Are you bringing ANY?

    On a completely unrelated note, and on the topic of this article, I for one am glad to see that Rollo is keeping up his skepticism on the whole thing till he has photo/video evidence. I have zero investment in the whole shit-show myself (tho I have my opinions on it), but I’m glad there’s SOMEONE calling for actual evidence and considering the possibility of a setup.

    Also: the Hugo story just keeps getting better and better. It’s like Christmas has come early lol I’m dying for Jezebel to address it, but there’s no way they will.

  • Ondrej

    Hello,
    I am rather new to manosphere after studying and practising Daygame. I heard you are going to publish a book, which I’d like to order and make your work famous in Eastern Europe:-) When is it going to be published? Quesstimation is ok.

  • YaReally

    Also for anyone who doesn’t read CH and doesn’t know, if you click my name on my comments you’ll be taken to the YaReally archive that Lumpy put together. It’s fully searchable and really well made (entire conversation threads are saved so you can see the context of my comments) and grabs my posts from CH and here. In fact this very post will be in it…this is like Inception lol

    Anyway, there are thousands of pages of free content from me there on all sorts of different game related subjects. Feel free to link to it if you have a blog, it’s the closest thing I’ll ever get to having an actual blog/site.

  • R.

    The picture is from a brazillian movie called “O Cheiro do Ralo”, deemed “Drained” in english.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0489458/

  • R.

    The picture that decorates this post is from a brazillian movie called “O Cheiro do Ralo”, called “Drained” in english.

    IMDB link: imdb.com/title/tt0489458/

  • R.

    Sorry about the double comment… didn’t notice the pagination button on comments. :P

  • Dd

    Whose rear end is that in the picture? Need more detail.

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  • Mac

    I’m a big fan, but am finding this post laden with hypocracy. If you are downing the man who has given in to the “Settling Down” dream of women, that I agree, escentially neuters him. Why do you speak of the married man as the “dead” if you yourself are a professed married man? Am I missing something here? If so, please enlighten me. Thanks.

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