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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rollo,

TEDTalks posted a series, Great talks about love, for Valentine&#039;s Day:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOGi5-fAu8bFTShPncnjmrCtuSCR5ShTW

I&#039;m curious about your take on the talks. Just based on the 1st 2 speakers, there&#039;s feminine imperative, but also a strong dose of red pill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rollo,</p>
<p>TEDTalks posted a series, Great talks about love, for Valentine&#8217;s Day:<br />
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<p>I&#8217;m curious about your take on the talks. Just based on the 1st 2 speakers, there&#8217;s feminine imperative, but also a strong dose of red pill.</p>
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		<title>By: AW</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 03:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh man oh man oh man, I&#039;ve take a break from RM and the mansosphere for a while to just focus on living more, but what a great post/comments to come back to. 

Mark Minter - spot on. I made that a hard and fast rule for myself long ago after seeing and hearing about too many decent guys getting the straight shaft in those situations...if a girl even starts *talking* about calling the police, she is terminated from my life permanently. No exceptions.

YaReally - Man I have missed the delight of reading your stuff. This was one of your more insightful posts. I&#039;ve come close to falling in the trap before because I am know to be That Guy (ladykiller) amongst my friends and family. So when a dry spell hits you&#039;re like &quot;oh sh!t, what happened!?&quot; Then you should take a deep breath, laugh at yourself, and move on to something new. Your Bond description is dead on. I went to the happening spots all weekend and these dudes are ubiquitous. On one night I&#039;m dancing with TWO attractive early twenties girls at the same time, in a place where the guy to girl ratio was like 5 to 1. It was so absurd I was laughing to myself the whole time. C&#039;est La Vie. 

Furious Ferret ^ - Ahahahaha I felt like I just re-read Catcher in the Rye again, but for our age demographic/time. All of that is so true. The most disappointing part is when friends you grew up with choose these lives and you have to try hard not to pity/unsolicited lecture them. I went out all this past weekend solo and had a blast, and great success. One thing I noticed, and then kept noticing after the first time was fit, decent-to-good looking guys with their arms around chubby butter-faces. WTF? I&#039;d rather be involuntarily celibate til death than settle for that. When I see a dude like that I automatically judge him as having little to no self-respect. I&#039;m sure there are exceptions, but in my mind they only prove the rule.

Ok got to run now, one of the aforementioned girls from this weekend is coming over in a bit. Keep up the good work fellows!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man oh man oh man, I&#8217;ve take a break from RM and the mansosphere for a while to just focus on living more, but what a great post/comments to come back to. </p>
<p>Mark Minter &#8211; spot on. I made that a hard and fast rule for myself long ago after seeing and hearing about too many decent guys getting the straight shaft in those situations&#8230;if a girl even starts *talking* about calling the police, she is terminated from my life permanently. No exceptions.</p>
<p>YaReally &#8211; Man I have missed the delight of reading your stuff. This was one of your more insightful posts. I&#8217;ve come close to falling in the trap before because I am know to be That Guy (ladykiller) amongst my friends and family. So when a dry spell hits you&#8217;re like &#8220;oh sh!t, what happened!?&#8221; Then you should take a deep breath, laugh at yourself, and move on to something new. Your Bond description is dead on. I went to the happening spots all weekend and these dudes are ubiquitous. On one night I&#8217;m dancing with TWO attractive early twenties girls at the same time, in a place where the guy to girl ratio was like 5 to 1. It was so absurd I was laughing to myself the whole time. C&#8217;est La Vie. </p>
<p>Furious Ferret ^ &#8211; Ahahahaha I felt like I just re-read Catcher in the Rye again, but for our age demographic/time. All of that is so true. The most disappointing part is when friends you grew up with choose these lives and you have to try hard not to pity/unsolicited lecture them. I went out all this past weekend solo and had a blast, and great success. One thing I noticed, and then kept noticing after the first time was fit, decent-to-good looking guys with their arms around chubby butter-faces. WTF? I&#8217;d rather be involuntarily celibate til death than settle for that. When I see a dude like that I automatically judge him as having little to no self-respect. I&#8217;m sure there are exceptions, but in my mind they only prove the rule.</p>
<p>Ok got to run now, one of the aforementioned girls from this weekend is coming over in a bit. Keep up the good work fellows!</p>
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		<title>By: FuriousFerret</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 01:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;These are usually the James Bond guys who go “look alpha” at the bar in their custom tailored suits etc but spend the night 1) not approaching, 2) chatting with their buddies, and 3) talking ABOUT approaching (lol), and 4) making up hamster rationalizations for why they aren’t approaching (these girls aren’t my type, I’m tired from work, blah blah)&quot;

I really hate these people when they are part of your group for the simple fact that they want you fail. If a girl even shows interest and is giving signals and they pick up on it they get miffed. If you approach a girl they get silent and then they give you massive passive aggressive attacks especially if you get blown out. It&#039;s straight bullshit. That&#039;s why it&#039;s better to go solo if you don&#039;t have wingmen that are actually putting the effort themselves. Most men will delight in your failure even your so called &#039;friends&#039;. 

One negative aspect of self improvement is that I&#039;m beginning to be a misanthrope. Improving yourself really highlights how the rest of humanity wants to keep you down. Whenever you try to accomplish something they desperately want to do but can&#039;t, out will come the passive aggressive jabs, resentment and all that other non-sense. Also, when you see behaviors of other guys you want to punch them in the face and scream at them to wake the fuck up. After a while, all you see is a swarth of SWPL men transmorphing into a gang of lemmings diving off a cliff into the ocean.

I wonder if there ever was another time in American history that people were so intent on seeing other people fail so intensely. I mean getting a group of from a metric standpoint successful guys jealous about another man getting attention from a normal looking girl? Have things gotten so bad? I can&#039;t believe that in times past most men would care about such a thing. Maybe a beautiful woman but not some run of the mill chick. It&#039;s just so damn sad.

Things American men are good at in my area:
1) Talking about their boring jobs but many are actually terrible at job not that it matters because their job is usually not that important
2) Talking about sports
3) Watching television and talking about said television
4) Being lead around by frumpy bitchy women
5) Keeping their weight in check by eating &quot;diet food&quot; at subway
6) Buying Apple products and luxury cars
7) Devoting every hope and dream on their kids because their life sucks so much

American men are bad at in my area:
1) Women (anything and everything about this subject)
2) Being a normal weight
3) Not being cowards except when it&#039;s work related then they can be massive assholes

This is what you get when you ideological castrate men while at the same time giving T shots to women and it&#039;s not going to get better anytime soon. Maybe in a couple decades but right now it&#039;s hell on earth for guys and if you want out of hell it&#039;s a bit lonely in your corner of limbo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;These are usually the James Bond guys who go “look alpha” at the bar in their custom tailored suits etc but spend the night 1) not approaching, 2) chatting with their buddies, and 3) talking ABOUT approaching (lol), and 4) making up hamster rationalizations for why they aren’t approaching (these girls aren’t my type, I’m tired from work, blah blah)&#8221;</p>
<p>I really hate these people when they are part of your group for the simple fact that they want you fail. If a girl even shows interest and is giving signals and they pick up on it they get miffed. If you approach a girl they get silent and then they give you massive passive aggressive attacks especially if you get blown out. It&#8217;s straight bullshit. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s better to go solo if you don&#8217;t have wingmen that are actually putting the effort themselves. Most men will delight in your failure even your so called &#8216;friends&#8217;. </p>
<p>One negative aspect of self improvement is that I&#8217;m beginning to be a misanthrope. Improving yourself really highlights how the rest of humanity wants to keep you down. Whenever you try to accomplish something they desperately want to do but can&#8217;t, out will come the passive aggressive jabs, resentment and all that other non-sense. Also, when you see behaviors of other guys you want to punch them in the face and scream at them to wake the fuck up. After a while, all you see is a swarth of SWPL men transmorphing into a gang of lemmings diving off a cliff into the ocean.</p>
<p>I wonder if there ever was another time in American history that people were so intent on seeing other people fail so intensely. I mean getting a group of from a metric standpoint successful guys jealous about another man getting attention from a normal looking girl? Have things gotten so bad? I can&#8217;t believe that in times past most men would care about such a thing. Maybe a beautiful woman but not some run of the mill chick. It&#8217;s just so damn sad.</p>
<p>Things American men are good at in my area:<br />
1) Talking about their boring jobs but many are actually terrible at job not that it matters because their job is usually not that important<br />
2) Talking about sports<br />
3) Watching television and talking about said television<br />
4) Being lead around by frumpy bitchy women<br />
5) Keeping their weight in check by eating &#8220;diet food&#8221; at subway<br />
6) Buying Apple products and luxury cars<br />
7) Devoting every hope and dream on their kids because their life sucks so much</p>
<p>American men are bad at in my area:<br />
1) Women (anything and everything about this subject)<br />
2) Being a normal weight<br />
3) Not being cowards except when it&#8217;s work related then they can be massive assholes</p>
<p>This is what you get when you ideological castrate men while at the same time giving T shots to women and it&#8217;s not going to get better anytime soon. Maybe in a couple decades but right now it&#8217;s hell on earth for guys and if you want out of hell it&#8217;s a bit lonely in your corner of limbo.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo G</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost talked myself out of updating the card. Spent the afternoon with the 2 of them, watching as they forged some horseshoes. This guy is very likeable, but my instincts are just screaming &quot;Snake-in-the Grass!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost talked myself out of updating the card. Spent the afternoon with the 2 of them, watching as they forged some horseshoes. This guy is very likeable, but my instincts are just screaming &#8220;Snake-in-the Grass!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leo G</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ yareally - yeah, really!

Westcoaster, thanx. Am putting my ducks in a row right now. Just got my bank card updated so that I can personnally follow the money online now, and not have to depend upon her accounting (yeah I was lazy and left all of that shit to her, BIG mistake!). Will be working on an escape plan next. Want to be ready for the nuke should it arrive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ yareally &#8211; yeah, really!</p>
<p>Westcoaster, thanx. Am putting my ducks in a row right now. Just got my bank card updated so that I can personnally follow the money online now, and not have to depend upon her accounting (yeah I was lazy and left all of that shit to her, BIG mistake!). Will be working on an escape plan next. Want to be ready for the nuke should it arrive.</p>
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		<title>By: ‘Reality’ Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[‘Reality’ Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 00:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a thought. You can only have one master. Game teaches us to choose our core selves as master investment. Other women, other people, other self-identities of alien origin and not native to our individual ids SHALL NOT BE MASTER. I am referring to Freud&#039;s functional division of the mind. The superego is an alien that can become the imposter self. It is sick to behold, and the one time &#039;be yourself&#039; is good advice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought. You can only have one master. Game teaches us to choose our core selves as master investment. Other women, other people, other self-identities of alien origin and not native to our individual ids SHALL NOT BE MASTER. I am referring to Freud&#8217;s functional division of the mind. The superego is an alien that can become the imposter self. It is sick to behold, and the one time &#8216;be yourself&#8217; is good advice.</p>
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		<title>By: ‘Reality’ Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[‘Reality’ Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 23:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, @YaReally. You saved me learning the hard way. I&#039;ve felt my confidence at nite game nudging toward coasting, toward looking the role without living it. I&#039;m becoming a better reader, and so more selective, which I don&#039;t know is a problem itself, but I avoided some field exercise and growth. On the other hand, I feel like the other alphas are less inclined to fight me and more inclined just to ignore me. Maybe when I hit on their girls (standing alone for a while) I am sufficiently detached from outcome that I am not threatening. I think I am smoother, entering the social bubble of others without immune system response more consistently, a good thing. I don&#039;t know that I&#039;ve lost my edge, but I could or could be. I need to make other nite venues and moreover day game work, so I need to step it up just for reps and make approaching the default behavior. Seduction is first platonic, so there is a smooth plausible deniability if the social dynamics are against me.

But we are left with competing needs of a non-needy, plentiful mindset and of a hunger to grow and achieve. To be or not to be is only a question of physical outcome and perhaps mental output or intent, but certainly not of mental input. Being in the zone is a paradox: the nexus of contradictions seen in summary view of the psyche are harmoniously separated in the brain to permit counterpoint in a symphony of purpose. It would be silly to expect the reptilian brain core, the old mammal emotional inner wrap, and the new mammal logical outer wrap to follow the same melodies for the same overarching purpose of individual performance. So my point is, using a hypothesis of brain complexity, Game requires that the man simultaneously invest in himself and not invest in himself. I don&#039;t think there is one exact line of division and balance but rather a complex of psyche balances the man who would have his life in his hands is obliged to forever regulate and apply.

I just made that up, so it could be complete bullshit, or simply too vague to be practical. I enjoy the comment sections &#039;cause people I talk to in real life are boooooorrrrriiiiiiiiiing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, @YaReally. You saved me learning the hard way. I&#8217;ve felt my confidence at nite game nudging toward coasting, toward looking the role without living it. I&#8217;m becoming a better reader, and so more selective, which I don&#8217;t know is a problem itself, but I avoided some field exercise and growth. On the other hand, I feel like the other alphas are less inclined to fight me and more inclined just to ignore me. Maybe when I hit on their girls (standing alone for a while) I am sufficiently detached from outcome that I am not threatening. I think I am smoother, entering the social bubble of others without immune system response more consistently, a good thing. I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ve lost my edge, but I could or could be. I need to make other nite venues and moreover day game work, so I need to step it up just for reps and make approaching the default behavior. Seduction is first platonic, so there is a smooth plausible deniability if the social dynamics are against me.</p>
<p>But we are left with competing needs of a non-needy, plentiful mindset and of a hunger to grow and achieve. To be or not to be is only a question of physical outcome and perhaps mental output or intent, but certainly not of mental input. Being in the zone is a paradox: the nexus of contradictions seen in summary view of the psyche are harmoniously separated in the brain to permit counterpoint in a symphony of purpose. It would be silly to expect the reptilian brain core, the old mammal emotional inner wrap, and the new mammal logical outer wrap to follow the same melodies for the same overarching purpose of individual performance. So my point is, using a hypothesis of brain complexity, Game requires that the man simultaneously invest in himself and not invest in himself. I don&#8217;t think there is one exact line of division and balance but rather a complex of psyche balances the man who would have his life in his hands is obliged to forever regulate and apply.</p>
<p>I just made that up, so it could be complete bullshit, or simply too vague to be practical. I enjoy the comment sections &#8217;cause people I talk to in real life are boooooorrrrriiiiiiiiiing.</p>
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		<title>By: YaReally</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Investment in your ego/identity will fuck you over in pickup down the road too, which is a funny/ironic plateau advanced guys hit that I choose to believe is the universe&#039;s way of keeping you humble lol

When your identity is &quot;I&#039;m good with women&quot; and you&#039;ve invested all this time and effort and energy into it and had a bunch of success and crazy adventures and your friends all tell legends about how pimp you are...next thing you know you realize you haven&#039;t legit  approached or taken a girl home in months.

Once you&#039;ve invested enough, your ego no longer wants to risk fucking that identity you&#039;ve built for yourself up, so it stops you from approaching and risking getting shot down and throwing away all that investment you&#039;ve made.

These are usually the James Bond guys who go &quot;look alpha&quot; at the bar in their custom tailored suits etc but spend the night 1) not approaching, 2) chatting with their buddies, and 3) talking ABOUT approaching (lol), and 4) making up hamster rationalizations for why they aren&#039;t approaching (these girls aren&#039;t my type, I&#039;m tired from work, blah blah)

The way to get out of this plateau, much like escaping a shitty relationship, is to fuck your identity in the face and shit all over your investment lol. So you have to purposely go get shot down and make an ass of yourself and force your ego to let go of the identity so that it can see &quot;okay, I&#039;m not dead, the world is still here that just kind of sucked, but I guess it&#039;s okay and now I can move on&quot; till down the road where you go &quot;thank god I ditched that shit that was poisoning my well-being.&quot;...which is of course, similar to what you feel when you finally break off a shitty relationship.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investment in your ego/identity will fuck you over in pickup down the road too, which is a funny/ironic plateau advanced guys hit that I choose to believe is the universe&#8217;s way of keeping you humble lol</p>
<p>When your identity is &#8220;I&#8217;m good with women&#8221; and you&#8217;ve invested all this time and effort and energy into it and had a bunch of success and crazy adventures and your friends all tell legends about how pimp you are&#8230;next thing you know you realize you haven&#8217;t legit  approached or taken a girl home in months.</p>
<p>Once you&#8217;ve invested enough, your ego no longer wants to risk fucking that identity you&#8217;ve built for yourself up, so it stops you from approaching and risking getting shot down and throwing away all that investment you&#8217;ve made.</p>
<p>These are usually the James Bond guys who go &#8220;look alpha&#8221; at the bar in their custom tailored suits etc but spend the night 1) not approaching, 2) chatting with their buddies, and 3) talking ABOUT approaching (lol), and 4) making up hamster rationalizations for why they aren&#8217;t approaching (these girls aren&#8217;t my type, I&#8217;m tired from work, blah blah)</p>
<p>The way to get out of this plateau, much like escaping a shitty relationship, is to fuck your identity in the face and shit all over your investment lol. So you have to purposely go get shot down and make an ass of yourself and force your ego to let go of the identity so that it can see &#8220;okay, I&#8217;m not dead, the world is still here that just kind of sucked, but I guess it&#8217;s okay and now I can move on&#8221; till down the road where you go &#8220;thank god I ditched that shit that was poisoning my well-being.&#8221;&#8230;which is of course, similar to what you feel when you finally break off a shitty relationship.  <span class='wp-smiley wp-emoji wp-emoji-smile' title=':)'>:)</span></p>
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