1) The clowns calling military men betas, don’t know what they’re talking about. All military services, MOSs and men are not created equally. Guys that start a military career after high school ARE at a significant disadvantage because of the demographics of Army and Marine towns. That said, I crushed ass with my crew chiefs as an LT. And I saw single O-5s crush college ass. After I pinned on Major, I went home and banged my hot 21 yo gf.

There are plenty of tools in the service but generalizing about such a diverse population is silly. Trust me, you’re NOT more alpha for not serving in a demanding job that builds character and requires physical courage.

2) If I only had a nickel for every fucked up story about women ripping off Joe. Listen, life is hard for a lot of these troops. That have needs and failings like everyone else. I have no regard or mercy for these evil people that take advantage of them – especially while they are deployed. It happens to broke-ass Privates, it happens to ER docs and neuro-surgeons. Its very easy to take advantage of a loyal person who is willing to sacrifice and who tries to take care of people.

You only go around once. I’m sure your grandkids will want to hear all about your real estate deals or how you optimized widget production.

Fucking spot on. Former marine here, and one of the, if not the most significant, pitfalls of veterans exiting the service is that women(esp. in the west) don’t reciprocate these values. It took a severely broken heart, a slew of random college bangs, and a year of intense research to find a palatable red pill. Everything that builds rapport with men is like white noise to women, or worse.

I used to refer to the two modes of operation for me as a switch. When switched on, I was no-bullshit, get shit done, and it’s how I landed the girl I did while I was still in. When I got out, I switched that off, beta’d up hard, and watched the relationship crumble in slow motion.

I think the military teaches you everything you need to know to be an alpha, and then fucks you by equating it with combat. In this way, you tend to shed all of that on leaving, the bad and the good, and the effect on your relationships just feeds into the contrast between the intense rapport of the military and the normal lack of reciprocity in wider society. Thus, disconnect; thus, depression.

While the problem does focus the discussion, we’re (at least I’m) not talking about a task/conditions/standard direct solution to military suicides. We’re talking about the especial need for the red pill to spread among military men and the good that would come from that. I see the red pill as needed help for soldiers in their women relations, personal and at work. The red pill should also help in the transition to civilian society. This may (or may not) lead to a downturn in military suicides by corralling two major sources of stress.

I figure, if you get NCOs Army-wide to buy into the red pill, then you get the Specialists, and when you get them, you get the privates. Then you have the Army. The question is how to inject the red pill into the NCO grapevine.

From the pogue side of the house, here’s an anecdote from my co-ed Basic Training. As long as we were mixed, which was almost all the time, the language was PC. One time, though, all the female privates and drill sergeants were away due to a female-specific medical check, so it was just us male privates with our male drill sergeant. He used the window of opportunity to give us a speech about “this man’s Army” and some old-school Jodys. You could tell he had switched off the professional drill sergeant and his message was personal. When the females returned, he was a professional drill sergeant again.

The audience is there and ready for it, and not just in combat arms. They just need to be reached.

RLTW