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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great advice and writing.  Thank you again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice and writing.  Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Intimacy &#124;</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/29/friends-like-these/comment-page-2/#comment-69443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Intimacy &#124;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] run on them, then you can share to your heart&#8217;s content &#8211; and will always be on the LJBF [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] run on them, then you can share to your heart&#8217;s content &#8211; and will always be on the LJBF [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alpha Agents of Righteous Karma &#124;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] she was a gorgeous auburn-red head with a fantastic 17-18 year old body. We were good &#8216;friends&#8216; in the sense that it was clear I wasn&#8217;t ever going to see her naked and she had all of [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] she was a gorgeous auburn-red head with a fantastic 17-18 year old body. We were good &#8216;friends&#8216; in the sense that it was clear I wasn&#8217;t ever going to see her naked and she had all of [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: michiel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2014 15:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the woman is really attractive and you want to attract other females, and you are &#039;over her&#039;, it&#039;s pretty wise to actually bring her back in you life as &#039;just a friend&#039;. Then, you should make sure you are seen in public a lot with her, as it will convey the message to the females that this is a guy you should get. You will have the best of both worlds: You are single AND you have a beautiful girl next to you who is willing to let you sleep with other girls. Even better if you never had really deep feelings anyway. By breaking it off you are also breaking off the possibility to sleep with her friends and basically get ahead of the game. I&#039;d say ask her to fix you up with someone. She&#039;ll even do her very best to describe you as the next best thing to her friends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the woman is really attractive and you want to attract other females, and you are &#8216;over her&#8217;, it&#8217;s pretty wise to actually bring her back in you life as &#8216;just a friend&#8217;. Then, you should make sure you are seen in public a lot with her, as it will convey the message to the females that this is a guy you should get. You will have the best of both worlds: You are single AND you have a beautiful girl next to you who is willing to let you sleep with other girls. Even better if you never had really deep feelings anyway. By breaking it off you are also breaking off the possibility to sleep with her friends and basically get ahead of the game. I&#8217;d say ask her to fix you up with someone. She&#8217;ll even do her very best to describe you as the next best thing to her friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Softek</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Softek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2014 11:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more: I have a thick skull.  Glenn in another thread tried to snap me out of it and failed because my skull is just that thick.  I will thank him again though if he ever sees this, because I now realize what he was saying.  The thing is I needed a slap in the face from my ONE-itis fixation, the girl I&#039;ve been in love with for so many years and had the blue pill fantasy with -- wanting to be with her forever.

The girl that LJBF&#039;d me, that I&#039;ve been friends with for 10 years...I just messaged her again.  I told her point blank that I need a harsh rejection, and I need to hear it from her.  I told her I&#039;m never going to be able to bury this unless she tells me the truth.  So what I told her was, if this is the truth, say this back to me, or say it back in your own words:

&quot;I&#039;m not interested in you, I never was interested in you, we&#039;re never going to be together, there was never a single chance that we were going to be together, there was never a single time I ever wanted to be more than friends with you, we always had fun but to be honest the idea of ever doing anything sexual with you or even making out with you really freaks and grosses me out and makes me feel disgusted, just....no, not years ago, not now, not ever. I&#039;m sorry that you wanted more and I don&#039;t, but I don&#039;t, I never did and never will, and you need to get over it.&quot;

After her telling me she was my friend and would be here for me (telling me in her own words instead of saying what I said, or being harsh), I told her to just copy and paste that back to me if it was the truth because if she kept saying she wanted to be friends, I was going to take that as a sign that she might still want more with me, and that I could never bury it unless I knew the bitter truth.

She resisted for a while.  But I kept telling her my case, and then she copy and pasted what I wrote to her and sent it right back to me.  

I said &quot;thank you,&quot; and now I&#039;m heading out to work.  

I feel like absolute shit, but not anywhere near as bad as thinking about her and hoping there was something there.  Writing out the worst case rejection, as harsh as I could come up with, and then giving that to her...

...I made her own up to her rejection of me.  She would never have sent that back to me if she had any feelings for me or had any trace of wanting to be with me.  She was just afraid of hurting me and didn&#039;t want to own up to her complete rejection of me because it made her uncomfortable.

I know she didn&#039;t want to tell me that.  But that&#039;s how she felt.  I assumed the worst and I was right.  But I feel so much better knowing that there really was nothing ever there and that thinking about it like there was is completely useless.  

Funnily enough I do really appreciate her doing that.  And as awful as it feels, this is what I needed in order to bury this and move on with my life.  Get rid of all traces of doubt and wondering and just take the sword to the heart so you can put an end to the suffering and move on to the next life -- the new version of yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more: I have a thick skull.  Glenn in another thread tried to snap me out of it and failed because my skull is just that thick.  I will thank him again though if he ever sees this, because I now realize what he was saying.  The thing is I needed a slap in the face from my ONE-itis fixation, the girl I&#8217;ve been in love with for so many years and had the blue pill fantasy with &#8212; wanting to be with her forever.</p>
<p>The girl that LJBF&#8217;d me, that I&#8217;ve been friends with for 10 years&#8230;I just messaged her again.  I told her point blank that I need a harsh rejection, and I need to hear it from her.  I told her I&#8217;m never going to be able to bury this unless she tells me the truth.  So what I told her was, if this is the truth, say this back to me, or say it back in your own words:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not interested in you, I never was interested in you, we&#8217;re never going to be together, there was never a single chance that we were going to be together, there was never a single time I ever wanted to be more than friends with you, we always had fun but to be honest the idea of ever doing anything sexual with you or even making out with you really freaks and grosses me out and makes me feel disgusted, just&#8230;.no, not years ago, not now, not ever. I&#8217;m sorry that you wanted more and I don&#8217;t, but I don&#8217;t, I never did and never will, and you need to get over it.&#8221;</p>
<p>After her telling me she was my friend and would be here for me (telling me in her own words instead of saying what I said, or being harsh), I told her to just copy and paste that back to me if it was the truth because if she kept saying she wanted to be friends, I was going to take that as a sign that she might still want more with me, and that I could never bury it unless I knew the bitter truth.</p>
<p>She resisted for a while.  But I kept telling her my case, and then she copy and pasted what I wrote to her and sent it right back to me.  </p>
<p>I said &#8220;thank you,&#8221; and now I&#8217;m heading out to work.  </p>
<p>I feel like absolute shit, but not anywhere near as bad as thinking about her and hoping there was something there.  Writing out the worst case rejection, as harsh as I could come up with, and then giving that to her&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;I made her own up to her rejection of me.  She would never have sent that back to me if she had any feelings for me or had any trace of wanting to be with me.  She was just afraid of hurting me and didn&#8217;t want to own up to her complete rejection of me because it made her uncomfortable.</p>
<p>I know she didn&#8217;t want to tell me that.  But that&#8217;s how she felt.  I assumed the worst and I was right.  But I feel so much better knowing that there really was nothing ever there and that thinking about it like there was is completely useless.  </p>
<p>Funnily enough I do really appreciate her doing that.  And as awful as it feels, this is what I needed in order to bury this and move on with my life.  Get rid of all traces of doubt and wondering and just take the sword to the heart so you can put an end to the suffering and move on to the next life &#8212; the new version of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Softek</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2014 23:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh man do I feel like a chump after my post in Playing Friends.  Well, kind of.

I actually *was* devastated but that&#039;s part of the process. I had a great talk with my friend today.  He set me straight in a direct but gentle way.  He&#039;s her brother and basically told me that my perception of her was not real -- I was dancing with my perception of her, which was her silhouette -- which really meant I was just dancing with myself.  

She would probably just be playing Xbox and pulling gum off of her shoe while I was confessing my love to her.  

I had to laugh.  He was in a similar situation with another girl. Talking about it helped a lot because we both intellectually understand what&#039;s going on, but it&#039;s just the emotional charge that makes it feel real, and so hard to deal with.

He has no emotional charge with my stuff.  I have no emotional charge with his stuff.  So then we can rationalize and think very clearly and then just laugh and do whatever we want and it&#039;s like this giant weight was lifted off my chest.  

A lot of people like me have fallen in love with his sister.  His response is just, &quot;Yeah, have fun with that.&quot;  I have a sister a lot of guys like so I know what it&#039;s like.  I&#039;m like &quot;Yeah....she&#039;s great, huh.&quot;  Not that she&#039;s a bad person, but growing up with her, I have absolutely no biases.  All I can say is &quot;Yeah, have fun with that.&quot;  

The horrible turmoil I was in was very real.  But it&#039;s mine.  Talking to him today helped a lot because it pulled me out of it -- along with reading this post.  I really needed this major slap in the face to realize what was going on.  I have been qualifying MY ENTIRE LIFE.  I have been giving away the frame MY ENTIRE LIFE.  

I literally almost killed myself after she rejected me.  That&#039;s a problem!  I&#039;ve had suicidal tendencies more or less my whole life.  But now that I made it through that -- and rejection is a major trigger for wanting to commit suicide for me -- it&#039;s a chance to clear it out.  

I still haven&#039;t spent time thinking hard about what *I* want.  Complete self-interest.  Stop the projections, the fantasizing.  I just imagine my intense &quot;love&quot; for my ONE-itis as a mirror floating in space.  I then imagine it shattering into pieces, along with space -- and then there&#039;s a giant field in front of me.  And I can do whatever I want.  I just have to answer the question: What *do* I want?  

The worst part of LJBF and the whole &quot;friendship&quot; leading up to it is our own selves.  Tormenting ourselves.  Qualifying, begging, pleading, whether directly or covertly, instead of desiring, pursuing, and getting.  Whatever it is.  

I felt so broken up because I felt like my whole world was shattered.  And you know, it really was.  My inner world that I was operating from.  It&#039;s new and exciting -- a new world to create, a new world to operate from, a new version of myself.  

I feel like I lost something major.  And I did.  You can only hold one thing in your hands.  If you&#039;re holding onto a frustrated ONE-itis that is bearing no fruit and hurting you, if you&#039;re holding onto rejection and abandonment and self-hatred...you can&#039;t hold onto all the good stuff like fun and the freedom to be whoever you want to be.  

This whole experience was so distressing to me it just made approaching girls, one of my chronic &#039;phobias&#039; (I decide now that I&#039;m no longer going to have that &quot;phobia&quot;), seem like child&#039;s play.  A little splash of cold water in the face and I feel like I just woke up.  

LJBF is a gift.  One we hopefully learn from and never have to receive again.  But it&#039;s a nice slap in the face that can wake you up to the fact that you have been neglecting yourself and depriving yourself of living a life you want to live.  The pain is telling you that you need more love and respect from YOU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man do I feel like a chump after my post in Playing Friends.  Well, kind of.</p>
<p>I actually *was* devastated but that&#8217;s part of the process. I had a great talk with my friend today.  He set me straight in a direct but gentle way.  He&#8217;s her brother and basically told me that my perception of her was not real &#8212; I was dancing with my perception of her, which was her silhouette &#8212; which really meant I was just dancing with myself.  </p>
<p>She would probably just be playing Xbox and pulling gum off of her shoe while I was confessing my love to her.  </p>
<p>I had to laugh.  He was in a similar situation with another girl. Talking about it helped a lot because we both intellectually understand what&#8217;s going on, but it&#8217;s just the emotional charge that makes it feel real, and so hard to deal with.</p>
<p>He has no emotional charge with my stuff.  I have no emotional charge with his stuff.  So then we can rationalize and think very clearly and then just laugh and do whatever we want and it&#8217;s like this giant weight was lifted off my chest.  </p>
<p>A lot of people like me have fallen in love with his sister.  His response is just, &#8220;Yeah, have fun with that.&#8221;  I have a sister a lot of guys like so I know what it&#8217;s like.  I&#8217;m like &#8220;Yeah&#8230;.she&#8217;s great, huh.&#8221;  Not that she&#8217;s a bad person, but growing up with her, I have absolutely no biases.  All I can say is &#8220;Yeah, have fun with that.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The horrible turmoil I was in was very real.  But it&#8217;s mine.  Talking to him today helped a lot because it pulled me out of it &#8212; along with reading this post.  I really needed this major slap in the face to realize what was going on.  I have been qualifying MY ENTIRE LIFE.  I have been giving away the frame MY ENTIRE LIFE.  </p>
<p>I literally almost killed myself after she rejected me.  That&#8217;s a problem!  I&#8217;ve had suicidal tendencies more or less my whole life.  But now that I made it through that &#8212; and rejection is a major trigger for wanting to commit suicide for me &#8212; it&#8217;s a chance to clear it out.  </p>
<p>I still haven&#8217;t spent time thinking hard about what *I* want.  Complete self-interest.  Stop the projections, the fantasizing.  I just imagine my intense &#8220;love&#8221; for my ONE-itis as a mirror floating in space.  I then imagine it shattering into pieces, along with space &#8212; and then there&#8217;s a giant field in front of me.  And I can do whatever I want.  I just have to answer the question: What *do* I want?  </p>
<p>The worst part of LJBF and the whole &#8220;friendship&#8221; leading up to it is our own selves.  Tormenting ourselves.  Qualifying, begging, pleading, whether directly or covertly, instead of desiring, pursuing, and getting.  Whatever it is.  </p>
<p>I felt so broken up because I felt like my whole world was shattered.  And you know, it really was.  My inner world that I was operating from.  It&#8217;s new and exciting &#8212; a new world to create, a new world to operate from, a new version of myself.  </p>
<p>I feel like I lost something major.  And I did.  You can only hold one thing in your hands.  If you&#8217;re holding onto a frustrated ONE-itis that is bearing no fruit and hurting you, if you&#8217;re holding onto rejection and abandonment and self-hatred&#8230;you can&#8217;t hold onto all the good stuff like fun and the freedom to be whoever you want to be.  </p>
<p>This whole experience was so distressing to me it just made approaching girls, one of my chronic &#8216;phobias&#8217; (I decide now that I&#8217;m no longer going to have that &#8220;phobia&#8221;), seem like child&#8217;s play.  A little splash of cold water in the face and I feel like I just woke up.  </p>
<p>LJBF is a gift.  One we hopefully learn from and never have to receive again.  But it&#8217;s a nice slap in the face that can wake you up to the fact that you have been neglecting yourself and depriving yourself of living a life you want to live.  The pain is telling you that you need more love and respect from YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Purgatory &#124;</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2014 03:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] done posts in the past about the utility LJBF rejections mean to women, men&#8217;s Beta Game tactics of Playing Friends in the hopes of [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2014 08:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post along with the comment has opened my eyes more that any other site or book, i am (or was) one of the guys thinking I can be a girl&#039;s besties. In fact, I am about to meet a girl who obv friend zoned me but use me as tempon and tech support later today and probably gonna tell me about her date with another dude too. Not anymore, if she does tell me that, I will just tell her she should talk to one of her girlfriend instead. Probably too late to turn around too but as least now I feel better knowing is better for everyone when I cut contact and is my decision to do so. 

Thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post along with the comment has opened my eyes more that any other site or book, i am (or was) one of the guys thinking I can be a girl&#8217;s besties. In fact, I am about to meet a girl who obv friend zoned me but use me as tempon and tech support later today and probably gonna tell me about her date with another dude too. Not anymore, if she does tell me that, I will just tell her she should talk to one of her girlfriend instead. Probably too late to turn around too but as least now I feel better knowing is better for everyone when I cut contact and is my decision to do so. </p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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