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		<title>By: When Alpha is not Alpha &#124; Alpha Is Assumed</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/12/all-in/comment-page-2/#comment-14664</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[When Alpha is not Alpha &#124; Alpha Is Assumed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I agree that those whom Rollo and Roissy are Alpha, but I disagree when they claim that the &#8220;contextual alpha&#8221; doesn&#8217;t deserve any such credit (for example Rollo&#8217;s responses in the comments here). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I agree that those whom Rollo and Roissy are Alpha, but I disagree when they claim that the &#8220;contextual alpha&#8221; doesn&#8217;t deserve any such credit (for example Rollo&#8217;s responses in the comments here). [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Too Hot &#171;</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/12/all-in/comment-page-2/#comment-13931</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you compare James Knight to David Petreaus&#8217; situation you can&#8217;t help but notice some surface level similarities. Both married to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] you compare James Knight to David Petreaus&#8217; situation you can&#8217;t help but notice some surface level similarities. Both married to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Beatris</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/12/all-in/comment-page-2/#comment-12123</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 06:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Genuinely no matter if someone doesn&#039;t be aware of after that its up to other viewers that they will assist, so here it occurs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genuinely no matter if someone doesn&#8217;t be aware of after that its up to other viewers that they will assist, so here it occurs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hopeless Romantic</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/12/all-in/comment-page-2/#comment-12070</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2012 04:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a hopeless romantic but even I know that lifelong monogamy is not natural for many people.  Open marriage peeps, open marriage.  For the sake of the kids!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a hopeless romantic but even I know that lifelong monogamy is not natural for many people.  Open marriage peeps, open marriage.  For the sake of the kids!</p>
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		<title>By: King A (Matthew King)</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/12/all-in/comment-page-2/#comment-12031</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;FuriousFerret&lt;/b&gt; wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Matt seems to agree with the alpha/beta terminology when it fits his right wing republican view points.

I have seen him refer to the President of the United States Barak Obama as a beta. A man that is infinitely more masculine and suave than a thousand Peteraus’.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So clever.  Everything is just a reflection of ideology.  &quot;The personal is the political.&quot;

When I see beta behavior in front of my eyes, I call it out.  When a rise to leadership is based on competition and self-initiative, rather than passively benefiting from a wave of racial condescension, I take that into account.  I might even consider that one man has personally led other men into combat, rallied them, and gained the sufficient respect of them to attain victory, while the other publicly moped about himself clear into his thirties, married a sassy battle ax, and appeared at the right place at the right time to rapidly gain a string of positions he did not appreciably earn.

But that&#039;s all beside the point.

The point is, alpha is defined by one&#039;s capacity to personally lead other men.  Maybe there are metrics here and there that are for and against one&#039;s alpha aura.  But for the game community to &lt;i&gt;actively discount&lt;/i&gt; these classic qualities in favor of promoting pussy management is the guppy swallowing the whale.  And this foundational distortion will skew their derivative theories in ways they do not notice or feel the need to adjust for.

Pick up arts are about &lt;i&gt;imitating the alpha&lt;/i&gt; to get the kind of pussy only an alpha can get.  Cheers to that!  After a century of estrogen injections, men need to taste the primal thrill of the conquering again, and the sexual market place in an age of sluts is an overstocked hunting ground, the nearest place to accomplish that thrill most easily.

But the counsel to mimic the alpha for the purposes of attaining one specific result (notches) diverges from the project of &lt;i&gt;becoming alpha&lt;/i&gt;.  For one, the latter requires a definition of the goal that is more than the attainment of perpetual vaginal friction.  Otherwise one confuses a side effect for the main cause, mimicry for the genuine article.

The idea that a general like Petraeus has something important to learn about women from the likes of Neil Strauss or Erik von Markovik is more than asinine:  it is positively destructive to the latter&#039;s far more limited mission.  Once the idea that success in picking up eager, drunk coeds can translate one-to-one into other realms of success, the PUA oversteps his limits and unwittingly makes an idiot of himself.

&lt;i&gt;I gamed a thousand women, therefore I can tell you how a DCI is supposed to handle adultery&lt;/i&gt; is like saying &lt;i&gt;I shucked a thousand ears of corn, therefore I can tell you all about intercontinental fusion cuisine&lt;/i&gt;.  Stay focused on what you know and your advice will remain solid.  Stray, and beclown yourself without even realizing it.

Matt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>FuriousFerret</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Matt seems to agree with the alpha/beta terminology when it fits his right wing republican view points.</p>
<p>I have seen him refer to the President of the United States Barak Obama as a beta. A man that is infinitely more masculine and suave than a thousand Peteraus’.</p></blockquote>
<p>So clever.  Everything is just a reflection of ideology.  &#8220;The personal is the political.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I see beta behavior in front of my eyes, I call it out.  When a rise to leadership is based on competition and self-initiative, rather than passively benefiting from a wave of racial condescension, I take that into account.  I might even consider that one man has personally led other men into combat, rallied them, and gained the sufficient respect of them to attain victory, while the other publicly moped about himself clear into his thirties, married a sassy battle ax, and appeared at the right place at the right time to rapidly gain a string of positions he did not appreciably earn.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s all beside the point.</p>
<p>The point is, alpha is defined by one&#8217;s capacity to personally lead other men.  Maybe there are metrics here and there that are for and against one&#8217;s alpha aura.  But for the game community to <i>actively discount</i> these classic qualities in favor of promoting pussy management is the guppy swallowing the whale.  And this foundational distortion will skew their derivative theories in ways they do not notice or feel the need to adjust for.</p>
<p>Pick up arts are about <i>imitating the alpha</i> to get the kind of pussy only an alpha can get.  Cheers to that!  After a century of estrogen injections, men need to taste the primal thrill of the conquering again, and the sexual market place in an age of sluts is an overstocked hunting ground, the nearest place to accomplish that thrill most easily.</p>
<p>But the counsel to mimic the alpha for the purposes of attaining one specific result (notches) diverges from the project of <i>becoming alpha</i>.  For one, the latter requires a definition of the goal that is more than the attainment of perpetual vaginal friction.  Otherwise one confuses a side effect for the main cause, mimicry for the genuine article.</p>
<p>The idea that a general like Petraeus has something important to learn about women from the likes of Neil Strauss or Erik von Markovik is more than asinine:  it is positively destructive to the latter&#8217;s far more limited mission.  Once the idea that success in picking up eager, drunk coeds can translate one-to-one into other realms of success, the PUA oversteps his limits and unwittingly makes an idiot of himself.</p>
<p><i>I gamed a thousand women, therefore I can tell you how a DCI is supposed to handle adultery</i> is like saying <i>I shucked a thousand ears of corn, therefore I can tell you all about intercontinental fusion cuisine</i>.  Stay focused on what you know and your advice will remain solid.  Stray, and beclown yourself without even realizing it.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: King A (Matthew King)</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/12/all-in/comment-page-2/#comment-12021</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 19:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Rollo&lt;/b&gt; wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;So, no comment on Petraeus’ and Allen’s white knighting ....?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I in fact have no comment.  You know why?  It&#039;s not because I don&#039;t have my criticism of Petraeus.  He is lacking in many ways.

The reason why I don&#039;t care and you do is because you have a bloodhound&#039;s sniff for this kind of irrelevant trivia, seeking as you are to fit pieces of evidence into a prefabricated theory, regardless of the quality of that evidence, regardless of the weakness of that theory.

This was never about making Petraeus out to be the ideal incarnation of the Alpha Male.  It was about criticizing your attempt to force-fit a square peg of game theory into a set of circumstances that &lt;i&gt;simply have nothing to do with the pick-up arts&lt;/i&gt;.

There are no lessons to be learned for the rising chump here.  The ambitious beta seeking alphatude has no frame of reference for the life a man like David Petraeus leads, and neither do you, nor will you ever.  His decision to fuck an aggressive girl two decades his junior right after becoming DCI cannot be reinterpreted to apply to a herbly middle-aged student of yours wondering how to bang the intermittently flirtatious Marge from HR.

What &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be learned from distant examples like these -- rather than your much more relevant first-hand experiences -- is the general nature of alpha.  But that would require an in-depth study of the man in full and his journey to preeminence rather than a couple snarky comments based on unsourced rumors from a narrow slice of his sexual life.

Matt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Rollo</b> wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, no comment on Petraeus’ and Allen’s white knighting &#8230;.?</p></blockquote>
<p>I in fact have no comment.  You know why?  It&#8217;s not because I don&#8217;t have my criticism of Petraeus.  He is lacking in many ways.</p>
<p>The reason why I don&#8217;t care and you do is because you have a bloodhound&#8217;s sniff for this kind of irrelevant trivia, seeking as you are to fit pieces of evidence into a prefabricated theory, regardless of the quality of that evidence, regardless of the weakness of that theory.</p>
<p>This was never about making Petraeus out to be the ideal incarnation of the Alpha Male.  It was about criticizing your attempt to force-fit a square peg of game theory into a set of circumstances that <i>simply have nothing to do with the pick-up arts</i>.</p>
<p>There are no lessons to be learned for the rising chump here.  The ambitious beta seeking alphatude has no frame of reference for the life a man like David Petraeus leads, and neither do you, nor will you ever.  His decision to fuck an aggressive girl two decades his junior right after becoming DCI cannot be reinterpreted to apply to a herbly middle-aged student of yours wondering how to bang the intermittently flirtatious Marge from HR.</p>
<p>What <i>can</i> be learned from distant examples like these &#8212; rather than your much more relevant first-hand experiences &#8212; is the general nature of alpha.  But that would require an in-depth study of the man in full and his journey to preeminence rather than a couple snarky comments based on unsourced rumors from a narrow slice of his sexual life.</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>By: OlioOx</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 03:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, Heartiste has just posted his take on the Petraeus thing, and I&#039;d say it&#039;s probably all anyone needs to read. Perhaps some of you might compare it point-for-point with Rollo&#039;s take here, I gotta run.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/petraeus-and-the-infidelity-risk-curve/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Heartiste has just posted his take on the Petraeus thing, and I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s probably all anyone needs to read. Perhaps some of you might compare it point-for-point with Rollo&#8217;s take here, I gotta run.</p>
<p><a href="http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/petraeus-and-the-infidelity-risk-curve/" rel="nofollow">http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/petraeus-and-the-infidelity-risk-curve/</a></p>
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		<title>By: OlioOx</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might be helpful if, every time a discussion involving &#039;who&#039;s alpha&#039; like this emerges, the poster or commenter includes a link to his preferred definition of &#039;alpha&#039;, or otherwise clearly defines his terms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be helpful if, every time a discussion involving &#8216;who&#8217;s alpha&#8217; like this emerges, the poster or commenter includes a link to his preferred definition of &#8216;alpha&#8217;, or otherwise clearly defines his terms.</p>
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