System Failure

As a personal rule I never engage in political discourse either on this blog or on the SoSuave forum. For the same reason I’m cautious about relating my own personal experiences as illustrations of larger social dynamics, so too am I not inclined to relate my political views because they pollute a clearer understanding of these dynamics with suspicions of bias. That bias comes in many forms – personal, moral, political, etc. and I make a conscious effort in every post I publish to focus strictly on the underpinnings of every dynamic I explore with a minimum of personal input.

I realize that observing a process will change it, but I make my best efforts to be an objective observer of whatever I explore. Sometimes those observations are complimentary to those who agree, and sometimes they’re insulting.

That said, some specific inter-gender social dynamics demand a recognition of elements that contribute to bias when that element is itself the social dynamic. Issues of morality, ethics and social conduct are the easiest examples of where the particulars of a truth run headlong into how the genders perceive or modify that truth to their benefit.

Our modern political landscape and how it has evolved according to gender specific influences is another dynamic that deserves observation. I understand even a cursory analysis of political dynamics is fraught with the dangers of speculation, bias and deliberately distorted perceptions, but these liabilities shouldn’t excuse us from making the attempt to analyze them.

What’s brought me to this subject today was a very profound comment made by none other than Mark Minter, a Rational regular and in my opinion one of the manosphere’s best assets. I’m going to repost his comment below and let it speak for itself. Some of his analysis I may disagree with, but really only in terms of his attention to details. However the majority of it I do agree with and I thought his observations needed a larger stage to be expressed upon.

Before you read this, let me be clear, I have never edited nor censored any comment (except spam) in the history of Rational Male no matter who comments or and no matter how I may disagree with what’s expressed. That said, I would ask that commenters on this post be conscious of its purpose – observation of the social dynamic. There is a plentitude of postings on which to comment about our political environment over at The Spearhead if you wish to vent your ideological frustrations. I’m interested in social mechanic of what Mark is proposing here.

This is my analysis of the election. And this is my manifesto.

Here you had a sitting president that had everything going against him in voter sentiment, ambivalent economic data, if not bad data, a general lack of confidence of his ability to be a significant leader, and still he could not be beaten by his opponent.

This has been the on going theme of my comments. Women are winning. Women are going to win and impose the changes on society that they wish and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

The reason Obama won this election and why the Republicans were not able to gain any ground in the legislature was women. Pure and Simply. This election was about women. And the men lost. If the economy had improved even by a few percent more, then the election would never have been this close. Obama appealed to women and would’ve blown Romney away. Romney was only in the race because of his ability to run on the economy and the antipathy that conservative white voters have towards Obama. In the Senate races, Women won every race except for Maine where an independent candidate won, and the woman came in second. The conservative came in last.

The forces arrayed against you, socially, economically, and politically are insurmountable. You can scream, whine, blog, comment, whatever, and you will not turn back the march of history. Even if the number of Red Pill aware men increases ten fold in the next few years, it still will not stop the inevitable erosion of the position of men, not only in America, but throughout the rest of the world.

Now, I am going to tell you in no uncertain terms, if you have a dick then you are on your own and the forces of the world are arrayed against you. You can expect no political support, no social support, no support in the workplace, no support in the courts, with the police. Whether you realize it or not, women are a bigger enemy to you than any Arab, any Iranian, any Chinese.

Your last chance to even slow this march was just lost. Democrats made a lot of hay about the Clint Eastwood presentation during the Republican convention where he used a chair as a prop and addressed a hypothetical Barrack Obama in the chair. It was said that was the essence of the Republican party, angry, old white men railing in their anger at a black Democratic president. And more and more of are those old, angry, white men are going to die and not be replaced in the pipeline. In 2016 there will be even fewer of them and more and more non-white voters will move onto the voting rolls to replace those white male voters that will die over the next four years. Obama received 93% of the black vote, 69% of the hispanic vote, and 74% of the Asian vote. Romney won 59% of white voters. There will a smaller percentage of white voters in every election cycle from here on out.

But the real issue was the gender gap. Women favored Obama, 54 percent to 44 percent, while men chose Romney by an almost identical margin, 53 percent to 45 percent. Mothers were more likely to support Obama (55 percent to 45 percent), while fathers sided with Romney (55 percent to 43 percent).

“Democrats effectively made the case that issues important to women, not just issues like abortion and reproductive rights but economic issues of equal pay and access to jobs, those issues resonated with women,” said Ron Schurin, a political scientist at the University of Connecticut. “The Romney campaign seemed at times to be tone deaf on those issues. They tried to make a case, they just didn’t do it effectively.”

The key race in the election cycle, the bellweather indicator of things to come, was the race between Scott Brown and Elizabeth Warren. Expect this formula to be repeated by Democrats in subsequent elections. Elizabeth Warren was an academic, a law professor from Harvard, with a specialization in Bankrupty. So expect more races where a female former professor without any political baggage or experience will run, and win, on women’s issues that are masked as issues for families, for the “middle class”. It is my opinion that Elizabeth Warren will run for president in 2016 and will become the nominee. And more and more women will move into elected office and those women will push issues favorable to women as their primary agenda masking those issues as “for children”, “for education”, “for families”.

Also, the story of the next four years will be stagnation on issues involving spending, spending cuts, unless it is a measure that effects women. Then public opinion, the media, and the army of women will coerce the Republican legislature into caving. When there are cuts or spending deals to be made, expect the deal not to cut things that would have a more direct effect on women and pushed towards cuts that will affect men. If defense is cut, that effects men, fewer soliders, fewer defense contracts. Expect less stimulus spending on infrastructure, again more jobs for men. Expect this ongoing deal, tax cuts for the wealthy or business in exchange for what women want. Expect head start, health benefits, food stamp progams, education, aid to dependent children to be untouched. Expect more legislation like WAVA and IMBRA. Expect an EEO interpretation that further broadens sexual harrassment and sexual discrimination.

You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you. They believe you brutish and violent, bull headed, and fundamentally stupid. They see you as big children that must be controlled and disciplined in order make you useful to them. And if you are not useful to them, if you do not provide those things that they wish from you, actually, more correct to say, those things they need from you, then you will not be a part of their lives.

And they are earnest and driven in structuring society and the law in such a manner that you are no longer needed.

They are now avoiding marriage in droves, deferring pregnancy and motherhood, and using men, more and more, as forms of recreation and, less and less, as a necessary partner in the scheme of life as they are defining it. Their job and their female friends are more important to them than you are. They are celebrating and defining single motherhood as the form of child rearing preferrable to a two parent household.

And you should expect the bad behavior of women in relationships and in social situations to only get worse. There is a massive demographic shift that has been occuring since the end of the birth control. Compare the dearth of child bearing age women against the number of men from 19-55 that chase those women, men that throw deals and enticements at the feet of those women, with the rise in social media mechanisms available today that permit women to be approached and have those deals thrown at their feet, and you have a recipe for more trouble ahead for men. Pity the poor boy born in 2007 when there was a birth rate of 4.32 babies born per 1000 people to the birth rate in 2011 of 1.9. There will be no girls for 50% of those boys, given that men tend to pair with younger women. If you wish to see the impact of demographic discrepancy on female behavior, study the history of Wyoming. Men literally had to pay women to have relationships and she shopped for the best offer. She would go to a dance with one man and leave with another because she received the better offer.

So, I say to all of you, on this key date, this moment of national introspection that occurs every 4 years on election night when the character of our society unveils itself in the form of the ballot, we most certainly have entered into a new era of history. I call it the PostModern because I can only define it right now as what it isn’t and I am not yet able to define it for what it is. You can call it Post Industrial. You can call it the Third Wave, the first being agriculture, the second being industrial.

But you can expect to see the world, society, and the relationships between men and women begin to organize in other means, other forms, other measures, than anything that has ever come before. The Modern Era, for as long as we have any sort of social memory has been organized along the lines of the family and the marriage between men and women. Everything was based on this, from work, to taxes, to even how houses are aligned along steets, neighborhoods are built, and how maps are drawn.

You need a new paradigm, new thinking about how you filter the information that your senses provide you and what you make of it. You need to question any value, any moral, any religion, your patriotism, your chivalry, your male code of conduct, any generalization, any stereotype, any caricature, anything that is an artifact from the Modern Era. And you need to replace it with something, something more PostModern. You can’t look back any fucking more. Those days are gone and will never, never return.

Start with this statement right here and make it the first declaration in who you are, what you will be, and will do, what you won’t be and what you won’t do, and how you judge and think about the world

“I will be nobody’s fucking slave and nobody’s fool”.

You owe nobody anything. You owe women nothing. You owe society nothing. All of those things, those forces, those structures wish to impose a slavery on you and you need begin to reject it right now. You need redefine to yourself, “What it means to be a man.” And you need to begin to live that declaration of what it could, should, and would to be a man if you filter that determination with the first filter.

“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”.

We will stop being men that are useful to women, useful to society and start being men that live life on their terms. You have a power that you give away. We voluntarily let chains be placed on you because we think that is what “The Good Man” does.

Re-evaluate everything.

Revolt.

You cannot change where the world and society is going. But you have the power to change your life so that you live it on your own terms. There will be no “macro” solution to the angst that you are feeling. There will be no grand social movement to correct the wrongs that you experience in your dealings with women and in how society views and what it expects from men.

But you have the solution in your hands.

Game.

Not just “Game” as pick-up lines, but “Game” as a way of viewing women, as a way of viewing life, as a way of reconstructing what is right and what is wrong, as a way of reacting to the changes that are beyond your control, as a way of dealing with the structural and social changes that already have come and inevitably are coming.

Don’t worry about the world, worry about your world.

“I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool.

Ever.

So when future historians look back on this PostModern time and make generalizations of this age, let them say:

“It was time when the men started being men, free men, that lived free, and no longer accepted the roles as slaves that society and women had imposed on them.”

 


143 responses to “System Failure

  • Gouverneur Morris

    Damn. That’s some real shit right there.

  • thebloggerssoliloquy

    That is some real shit. What I would really like to see is how this applies in other countries like the UK, parts of Africa, China, the Arab world, South America and so on. Because even though the majority of men in those places certainly don’t have a deep understanding of game, it’s still different to many western areas. I would much appreciate it (and I’m sure others will) if someone could look at how the manosphere (or lack of it) is doing over there.

  • Nick

    A very profound statement, thanks for re-posting it Rollo. Since swallowing the red pill almost a year ago, I realize that I’ve been gradually accelerating the pace of re-evaluation that Mark describes. It started with how I viewed and approached women but quickly broadened to my approach towards life as a whole. I’ve been questioning the value of my career relative to the sacrifices in time and limited future opportunities that it provides, my relationship with my faith and whether it truly is leading me towards spiritual fulfillment or endangering my well-being given the raw deal that marriage can potentially be, and whether I even want to continue living in the U.S., where the twisted social dynamics have poisoned not only male-female relationships, but our political process as a whole.

    It’s tragic that the trend seems like it will continue towards fem-centric public policy, but this post has also heartened me to consciously approach life in a deliberately self-interested way. Though it may take generations and a lot of economic pain and social strife, maybe this is the only way for our nation to right the ship. I’m confident nature will find a balance, but it may get a lot, lot worse before it gets better. The saying “tend your own garden” rings true here, but now, as men, we can’t just mind our own business, but we really have to defend what we build up for ourselves because U.S. (and Western) truly sees us as an enemy. Hopefully many more men will start waking up and I’m doing what I can to convince other men to start seeing things differently. The old paradigm is broken, time for a new beginning.

  • moth2flame

    Women only have the power we as men give to them. When will the men of the world recognize this?

  • JS

    As usual, religion figured out these truths long ago and established social structures to prevent these problems of human nature. We have to learn the ancient lessons again, and boy is it going to be hell on earth for a while, but we will end up realizing that the old stigmas and rules were there to prevent the problems we are now heaping onto ourselves. I actually believe that at some point women will beg men to save her from her uncontrollable hypergamy that is ruining her life by re-instituting the old social stigmas against promiscuity and divorce. It however may take centuries of strife to get there.

  • cynical optimist

    I wonder how many female vote decisions were changed at the last minute due to ovulation cycles heh…..

  • ar10308

    Disregard females.

    Acquire Gold, Silver, Guns and Ammunition.

  • HolySwordFarewell

    Everyone likes to disparage liberals and treat conservatives as some bastion of hope, but really the liberal bashing is not unfounded, but the conservative hero-worship is likewise misplaced.

    I am not arguing our society is going down due to a large part of weaker males, and namely women- it is. But to think replubicans were somehow the saving grace is a delusion- and we try to be about truth here.

  • OlioOx

    Nothing men start to do, or start refusing to do, will make the slightest difference. Here’s why:

    Alphas, that is about 10% of males, have no reason whatsoever to change their behavior because they always get what they want. They don’t mind living in a matriarchy because the hottest women are always at their feet, and that’s all most men really want for a significant portion of their adult lives. And if they want anything else, women, controlling more and more of society, will always be happy to give it to them — because they’re alphas.

    Meanwhile, the other 80-90% of men can revolt all they want to, ‘go their own way,’ try to learn Game, etc. etc; what will be the result?

    Women won’t even take the trouble to notice what they’re doing.

    This is because a) women don’t need to depend economically on men anymore and b) women are perfectly willing and able to share the alphas, going without sex at all for long periods, indeed much of their lives, between their bits of alpha. This behavior will only become more and more pronounced as the new matriarchy develops.

  • Old Glory

    Good post. I more or less agree — although I doubt Romney would have changed much. It was like choosing between Coke or Pepsi this year. You have to look at the Senate and House races, that’s where the real power lies, like he said.

    The key is the live the life we want to live. Don’t become a slave to outside influences. Maybe easier said then done, because there will always been men that want to put women on a pedestal and cater to their every whim. Until that is no longer the majority, I’m afraid we’re going to continue along this continuum of womens’ interests expanding and mens’ contracting.

  • M3

    He should really start his own blog.

    *****“I will be nobody’s fucking slave and nobody’s fool”.

    You owe nobody anything. You owe women nothing. You owe society nothing. All of those things, those forces, those structures wish to impose a slavery on you and you need begin to reject it right now. You need redefine to yourself, “What it means to be a man.” And you need to begin to live that declaration of what it could, should, and would to be a man if you filter that determination with the first filter.

    “I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”.

    We will stop being men that are useful to women, useful to society and start being men that live life on their terms. You have a power that you give away. We voluntarily let chains be placed on you because we think that is what “The Good Man” does.

    Re-evaluate everything.*****

    THIS.

    This is where i’ve been for the last 2.5 years, and i’m never looking back. The rest of society keeps giving me funny looks, my friends, coworkers, anyone who cares to ask… they all give me that look. The ‘never say never’ look, the ‘aww youll find someone and change the way you think’ look, the ‘whats wrong with you’ look.

    And i keep giving them the ‘fuck you, your opinion of me matters not, i do what i want and i like it’ look.

    He crystallized what i’ve always told people when i talk about what i went through in life and they always say ‘well, the world doesn’t owe you a thing!’ speech. i return the favor to the world in kind.

  • M3

    @ OlioOx

    “Women won’t even take the trouble to notice what they’re doing.

    This is because a) women don’t need to depend economically on men anymore…”

    Just wait until everything starts falling apart, and we start reverting to a more primal way of life. Once the machinery that runs society crumbles due to the neglect by the guys going their own way, and gov’ts begin to cut everything due to lack of tax revenues, and law and order begin to give way to ararchy, rioting and civil unrest…

    you’ll see how fast strong independent fierce women start latching onto decent protective hardworking betas for their very f*cking survival.

    Maybe not in my lifetime.. but it’s coming.

  • RD

    Wow! Not sure if the problem is the 44% of men or the 53% of women that voted for obama.

  • taterearl

    While I agree with most of what Mark says…men should be careful to not fall into the trap of isolation. While we owe nothing to anyone…that doesn’t mean you stop helping others or show some common human decency.

    Your heart shouldn’t grow cold…while getting your heart stomped on is no way to live, neither is living bitter at the world and other people.

  • Badger

    Worth reemphasizing how much contempt today’s women have for men, how much they instinctively frame us as instruments to their aims, and react with anger and shame when we don’t act the way they want.

    http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/educated-womens-contempt-for-men/

    One of Rollo’s most brilliant themes is to reveal to us just how much women expect men to live for them.

  • McKraken

    “Now, I am going to tell you in no uncertain terms, if you have a dick then you are on your own and the forces of the world are arrayed against you. You can expect no political support, no social support, no support in the workplace, no support in the courts, with the police.”

    “You all need to understand in no uncertain terms, women despise you, they think little of you.”

    ************

    I woke up up this morning and while I was in the shower I had already started to “Re-evaluate everything.” The two quotes above are the sum up exactly my current frame of mind. Mark Minter is spot on. Thanks Rollo for this post and for your blog.

  • Steve Canyon

    He makes a lot of good points. I’d say overall that post was pure gold. However, he overlooks the one glaring, salient point: the economy. Any economy that has a bunch of men disincentivized from participation is doomed to fail, and fail hard. Men might live life on their own terms, but eventually someone’s gotta drill the oil, mine the rare-earths needed in the plasma TV’s, and grease the wheels of the nation.

    If there’s nothing in it for them, they’re not going to do it. Women’s gains are only going to last as long as there’s someone else to pay for them. Women aren’t drilling the oil, digging the coal out of the earth, and they’re not laboring to maintain the heavy equipment like diesel trucks and railroads needed to keep things rolling.

    It may be the new paradigm, but it’s not a sustainable one. Arguably, it’s one that’ll accelerate society towards collapse.

  • Adam

    I like it, but it shouldn’t have taken him that long to just say “follow your own masculine imperative, fuck everything else” or “stop caring for society like a beta and start caring for yourself like an alpha.”

  • taterearl

    “Arguably, it’s one that’ll accelerate society towards collapse.”

    The sooner society collapses the sooner we get to ridding the problem. That’s why when Obama was elected I figured we’d get the collapse sooner scenario. Some of my friends are wailing about the end of the country…I say find, let the country end. We will get back to our roots that way.

  • OlioOx

    An advanced Western nation won’t COLLAPSE when women have more or less taken over every aspect; it will just run less well than before. And remember: The more wealth, power, and resources women control, the more they will be in a position to PROVIDE INCENTIVES TO MEN, to do what women and society feel is needed. What those incentives are, I leave to your imagination.

    There will always be strike breakers. Will the coming totally female-dominated society need ALL men to be on board? Or will it be able to bump along with only that proportion of men who choose to keep playing by women’s rules?

    Imagine the time, not far off in the future, when the women (and their male underlings) who run a totally feminized society have a “man problem” to manage. Can you be so sure that they will fail? Success might mean incentivizing a relatively small number of men to make whatever male contributions are deemed necessary, and ignoring the rest. (The alphas will simply do whatever they want, as they have always done.)

  • muscleman

    Brilliant. I thought of writing something similar, but the took the words out of my mouth and in better form. Game (psychosocial dominance) is the only way to get what you want and with each passing day the more traditional forms (physical strength, logic) are becoming obsolete. Terrible for society, great for the alphas (even more free poon!).

  • Dark wolf

    What is the solution? Game? MGTOW? Move to a foreign land not polluted (yet) by Hollywood? Go ghost?

    A discussion on concrete strategies would be most welcome. Anyone?

  • M3

    What percentage of the male population do you feel are required to disengage from society (producing, infrastructure, taxation, birth rates) before society reaches a break point?

    Dare i say the sphere grows on an exponential level.

  • Steve Canyon

    Hardly. It’ll collapse because an advanced western nation doesn’t exist in a vacuum. There are other societies out there that are not as matriarchal yet just as advanced as we are, and advancing further and faster than we are. China and India are minting more engineers, scientists, and entrepreneurs than the US and the west are. They also have most of the manufacturing base the west used to have. If they continue reducing their restrictions on trade, they’re going to continue to make gains in the world economy despite the fact that their economy is in a bit of a slump right now. The Muslim nations are outbreeding the US, and what they lack in technological advancement they’ll make up in sheer numbers. Matriarchal societies rarely produce anything because there’s no incentives for men to produce it. Africa’s the most oft-cited example of this. Women can provide all the economic incentives they want, however, they still need the capital to provide them. That capital can only be obtained through producing something. Nursing, teaching, social sciences, relational jobs such as sales/marketing/advertising, legal professions et al, all produce nothing of value. They could be 100% filled with women, and the economy would still not benefit from it.

  • Sam Spade

    “Don’t worry about the world, worry about your world.”

    Here, here. I refuse to get drawn into political discussions anyway; people are so emotionally invested it’s a waste of time. Once in a blue moon I can have a rational discussion with someone (usually a male) about these things. The rest is just spittle-infused, solipsistic, righteously indignant b.s. The internet has made it worse of course. Luckily some men have carved out a few corners of common sense. Thanks Rollo.

  • JS

    Dark wolf, if you just want to be a PUA, nothing changes. But if you’re more aware of the society-destroying nature of unrestrained hypergamy and the alpha/beta dichotomy, then you need to think. My take is that you need to have children and raise them to understand it all. Girls especially need to know how hypergamy can destroy their chances for a happy marriage and family, and destroy their children’s chances for a good upbringing. Let the liberals abort themselves to oblivion, their birthrates are already way below replacement. Play the long game, we’re talking perhaps centuries to ride this insanity out and there’s not much you can do at this point but to resist however you can and pray that you will have descendants in the distant future who will live in a sane society. Try to keep your money from the government.

  • YOHAMI

    The real problem is democracy and it’s fake choices. Obama and Romney are two flavors of the same and neither has the power to change things.

  • Sam Spade

    PS: Shades of Howard Beale in “Network.”

  • YOHAMI

    Steve,

    “It may be the new paradigm, but it’s not a sustainable one.”

    Yup

  • Flahute

    Nothing new here. The USA is on the “Road To Serfdom” (see F. A. Hayek) and picking up speed. Socialism is doomed to fail, always, every time.

    There is a wide-scale transfer of wealth going on. What can be done about it? Two simple things to start:
    1. Remain single
    2. Take personal responsibility for birth control = remain childless

  • AnonJohn

    Extrapolating bitterness and paranoia do not a political model make.

    Men dominate all the important things: highest levels of government, military and economy.

    Let me know when that changes.

    “Men and Women in the 112th Congress
    While the partisan composition of the Congress is fairly close to that of the electorate, there are larger disparities between the Congress and the general citizenry in term of sex and race. In the House, there are currently 362 men and 76 women. In the Senate, there are 17 women and 83 men.”

    Thats right folks, 83% of the Senate was before yesterday male. What happened? We lose a couple? NBD.

    And even if a woman, and only hilary could win in 2016 btw, won the presidency she would have to already be such a menopause hardened heartless wench beholden to the big corporations (run by men) that it won’t even matter.

    I’m as red pill as they come but this shit is just crazy.

    I find it really irritating how extreme right wing political views and white supremacy often find their way into otherwise decent conversations on the state of things in the manosphere.

  • G

    I’m the father of two boys, 8 and 5. Every day I wonder what life will be like for them as they grow older. I’m 43, and I’ve seen drastic changes over the past 20+ years in the way women behave. I work in an engineering organization and have seen how women are promoted. 10% of our engineers are women, because only 10% of women go to school for engineering, yet the company has repeatedly stated that we need to hire more women. As we have grown from a very small to small company, the engineering organization has promoted multiple women to VP roles (with a senior VP at the top). 10% of the organization is women, yet 50% of the VPs are women. I could point out the obvious, but I know you guys get it. My boss, a woman, explicitly told me to hire a woman for a role, when I had a better male candidate. Her words: “we need more women”. The woman we hired bombed, as I expected. Fortunately she was an intern, so we didn’t have to fire her. However, I knew the other candidate was a potential full-time hire, and now he’s gone.

    About a year ago, a married woman started chasing me at work. She’s from India, and I’m basically Irish/French. As much as I tried to keep things at a distance, one day she got a little too close to me to see a picture while looking over my shoulder. When I turned around and she backed away, she had gone into full arousal: eyes rolled back into her head, hands touching herself everywhere, and lifting up her shirt. I almost started yelling/begging her “no, no, no” because I thought she was going to fully lift her shirt up. Years ago I dated a dark Sicilian who used to put her nose behind my ear to “get her dose”. She said it was like a drug. I didn’t need an explanation for what happened with the Indian woman.

    After consulting with a few people, I went to HR for a preemptive strike. Our HR VP is an old timer, and the first thing he said to me was that he had never had a man come to him with one of these issues. NEVER, and he’s 70+ years old and has been doing this his whole life. He really didn’t know what to do. I also knew that he didn’t want to get rid of a senior female engineer, although that was never stated. I told him that my goal was to handle it myself, but to make it clear that I wasn’t instigating this. I told him outright that I was covering my ass. I felt that I had too much to lose if I officially complained. As a manager, I would be blacklisted. The company would want me to leave just to be rid of the problem. In addition, I knew the women in the office would turn on me. I can’t explain how delicate this situation was. A woman complaining would have resulted in immediate dismissal of the man, no questions asked. A woman, however…

    My sons will grow up in this world. Women can do whatever they want while men have to be careful. I don’t see it ever changing as long as the world remains stable. Barring an invasion of US soil, this is the way the world will work. Sometimes I have hope, as I read about the growing number of women finding out that they are now too old and undesirable, as Rollo linked to yesterday. But the reality on the ground is that most women lack a long term orientation, and the power of a young attractive women in today’s SMP is too seductive to pass up. Its not until a women hits the wall that she even starts to listen. Even then, I think it goes in one ear and out the other. I’ve tried having red pill conversations with my wife, in the context of what will happen to my sons, and she interprets everything to be about her and our relationship. She’s watched my sister be terrible towards my brother in law, yet is unable to shine the light of awareness on herself, when she did the very same things to me for a period of time. Women, on the whole, just don’t seem to process things the same way a man will.

    I believe Marks assertion to give up on society is generally accurate. That doesn’t mean that what a man does won’t help society as a side effect, but he can no longer act as though society works for his benefit. I plan on encouraging my sons to pursue a career they enjoy, build a life with meaning (for themselves), obviously learn game, but avoid marriage. The probably won’t avoid it, but I expect them to go into it with full awareness of the risks. Hopefully they will be very selective of who they marry.

    I know many people on this thread are arguing that things will collapse, women will eventually need men. I don’t see this happening. I think most men will remain plugged in and continue to toil away. I’ve tried having conversations with young men about game, and only half really get it, and those are the ones who seem to have a sniff of testosterone. As an engineer, I work with many really, really soft men. They are practically women by my standards, anatomy aside. They lack spine and assertiveness. They are physically weak as well. Those men that have the strongest masculine tendencies get pushed out of the company. The rest will just fall in line. I think it’s more likely that what is happening in Japan will happen here. Men will just give up on women without a fight. They will stop caring. It’s a combination of environmental factors (food, hormones etc), social training (parental upbringing, even when a father is present), lack of physical exercise throughout their life (I’m a firm believer in weight training, martial arts, competitive sports, etc – things that require some level of aggression).

    But there is another side of this. The men I’ve just described above are the majority of educated, white collar males. But only 30% of men are going to college now, same as it always has been. Those men who don’t go to college and who are from a cultural background where crime is more common, will do whatever is necessary to get sex, including, if not primarily joining gangs and being a bad boy. I do expect crime rates to shoot through the roof in the next 50 years, barring a major economic boom that includes men. This won’t necessarily collapse society, as I expect women to fully vote for more and more militant police forces to protect them. Some women will realize they feel safer with a man around. However, look at the schmuck in the cube next to you and ask yourself if you think he could protect anyone. Could you? The difference between a hardened criminal and a white collar worker is night and day. Women will sense this and I think we’ll end up with a more militant society because of it.

  • Revo Luzione

    Good comments from AnonJohn & OlioOx.

    Lots of butthurt beta from Mintner and in the comments section all around. Nothing has changed for alphas, it’s still good as it’s ever been if not bettter. Betas are still getting shit on.

    I know the CONS are all butthurt that their boy lost, but don’t make this out to be a gender thing. If you think Romney was running on some kind of MRA platform, you’re fucking delusional and better take another hit off that crack pipe. Romney is just as sucked into the conventional blue pill matrix as Obama is, if not more so since he’s even more of a tool for the uber wealthy.

    Things are actually improving for men, because awareness is improving. Thanks to Rollo and others like him, men are becoming aware of the biological imperative in humans, its sexual dimorphism, and all of the implications thereof. The age of ignorance is over.

    The ONLY thing that’s changed over the last few decades is the internet, now people have awareness that they’re being tooled, but the manipulation was always there.

    Save yourself some heartache, quit reading this bitter butthurt commentary, and work on yourself, your body, your game, your business and cashflow, and your lifestyle.

  • The Election Proves Game Is Mandatory | A Dark Heart

    [...] this last night, but contributor Mark Minter over at Rational Male beat me to the punch with a brilliant analysis of Obama’s re-election and what this means for men as a whole. I won’t get into the [...]

  • D-Man

    Well said Mark.

    I think this will be a long, slow process. Biological realities – like hypergamy and the inherent expendability of males – are deeply wired.

    Darker realities might yet lay ahead. As the last of our good men’s minds design technology to eliminate the heavy and dirty work… remote military gamers do the messy work abroad… one spoogeload fathers thousands… and as we’re unwittingly lobotomized pharmacologically, and hamstrung hormonally… we may find ourselves reduced to mere drones, as the human hive becomes one great big chattering HR department.

    Extreme perhaps, oversimplified maybe… but given how clearly it has been demonstrated here and elsewhere that the feminine idea of equality has always meant *their equality* and not universal equality, I don’t expect ideologies to come to the rescue.

    The correct response for us is to step out of the yoke and just look out for #1. As men, society saddles us with deep-seated self-worth issues which are directly tied to our perceived usefulness and productivity. The first thing we need to do is bring these to the surface and re-examine them in light of current realities.

    It’s a very powerful thing to realize that expectations and approval are boogeymen (and boogeywomen). It’s sad, but an underground entrepreneurship is the only kind of pursuit I can imagine where I might not feel like a bitch.

    Why? Because our society currently rewards most handsomely those who simply maneuver well. From HR departments where people do basically nothing to Wall St who reaches through the government into the citizens’ pockets, not a shred of value is created. It’s a house of cards built on value created by our forebears and people working hard elsewhere, and it can’t last… as women, unions, and every other group that strangles value should soon realize, but probably won’t, because it would be too psychologically disturbing.

    Today’s culture of entitlement – under the ruse of “equality” – is in fact one of exploitation. And when the “human resources” to exploit – e.g. the hard, willing, value-creating work of men – dry up, the whole thing falls apart.

    But it will be slow-motion shit hitting fan.

  • Team-Red

    I agree with everything in Mark Minter’s manifesto and the only thing everyone here can do is just try to live a healthy and happy life.

    Don’t get caught up in anything that endangers your health and happiness, do your best to only flow with positive energy, and above all have fun and smile. Eat well, exercise, meditate, pursue your interests, and live an interesting life. Let go of relying on other people for your own well being and get that from within.

    It’s easier said than done, but take little steps at a time and you begin to realize that much of everything including politics is insignificant to your own life.

  • Dillon

    Agree with OlioOx.

    System is set up in such a way that it simply does not matter if most people feel like they are getting a raw deal.

    One has to work to pay bills and this is going to change anytime soon. If one works, taxes are mandatory which fund the state.

    Women’s man is the state and it doesn’t ask for sex in return.

    Life is too short to wait for collapse.

  • Adam

    AnonJohn: apex fallacy.

    The average woman nowadays has got it a lot better than the average man.

  • AnonJohn

    Adam:
    I guess dude, but I’m not average so I have no idea. Call it solipsism then eh?

    I bring up the point that the the highest levels of government, military and industry are dominated by men because, well, it means men still run everything important. Women have been given limited access to the top as well as had entire useless jobs created for them.

    People in the manosphere always bitch about the useless jobs created for women, often by women, but always in the context of a male dominated institution.

    It is possible that these jobs were created to corral women into HR jobs and PR admin jobs to keep them placated and out of the way of real decision making.

    If and when the real shit hits the fan, and men lead the military government and industry, do you really think some female revolution is going to take hold? And do you think that these men at the top are going to let it go?

    It will matter as little to the average woman if a woman gets elected president as it did to the average black man that Obama has been / will be president. He is only half anyway. Any woman that gets voted in will be half a woman and the other half machine.

    Minter writes well but he is still fresh from realizing that his entire life was made up of being a fucking pussy making shit decisions for himself. He will calm down in time and realize that his shitty life was HIS FAULT.

    I think the one thing that unites the manosphere is that we take responsibility for our own shit. She doesn’t treat you well? Your game sucks, do something about. You are fat? Get in the gym, do something about it. You are broke? Make some cash, do something about it.

    Minter is stuck in being a whiney ass bitch phase.

  • RockHard

    Great post. I disagree with it only on points of nuance, but the substance is right on. The birth rate stats are scary, especially when you figure in single mothers. I’ve long contended that Ayn Rand was right on in Atlas Shrugged when she suggested that part of society would withdraw, but she’s wrong about what PART of society would do it.

    @HolySwordFarewell “the conservative hero-worship is likewise misplaced”

    I agree. The problem with Romney is that I got the distinct feeling that I was being played the fool – he might make minor societal changes at the fringe, he might make economic policy changes I’d agree with, but on the whole, he’s not going to *fix* anything.

    @G scary, scary stuff. I’d add that the whole specter of single motherhood is awful for men – you’ve got a generation of men raised by their mothers. I look around my kids’ school and I see that they can go entire days without encountering a male teacher or even staff. There are a very few male teachers in main classrooms, a couple in electives, and one in the administration. That’s what boys see for the first 18 years of life – men are a minority in positions of authority. What’s craziest about the crime scenario is that women are going to have to figure out how to discipline the men, and given women’s positions on crime, all I see is a vicious cycle brewing.

  • krauserpua

    It’s Atlas Shrugged but with a find/replace of Women for Collectivists. I still thoroughly agree, but I’d recommend going to the original book to really make the concepts come alive.

  • Stingray

    I posted this yesterday and I think it relevant here, from Marcus Aurelius ~ Meditations Book II,

    5. Every moment think steadily as a Roman and a man to do what thou hast in hand with perfect and simple dignity, and feeling of affection, and freedom, and justice; and to give thyself relief from all other thoughts. And thou wilt give thyself relief, if thou doest every act of thy life as if it were the last, laying aside all carelessness and passionate aversion from the commands of reason, and all hypocrisy, and self-love, and discontent with the portion which has been given to thee. Thou seest how few the things are, the which if a man lays hold of, he is able to live a life which flows in quiet, and is like the existence of the gods; for the gods on their part will require nothing more from him who observes these things.

    Men need little to live a good existence. No matter what women have today, we have been given it by men. You can take it back.

  • MNL

    The female agenda and demographic that Mark faults here isn’t completely correct. The reason Obama won this election and why the Republicans were not able to gain any ground in the legislature was not due to women per se but due to single women. It’s the single women who’s values and norms are most at odds.

    Sure, the overall gender gap in this election has received a lot of media attention. But it’s a red herring. Whether one is married or not (rather than merely male or female) is a greater discriminant. And the gap is greatest of all between UNMARRIED WOMEN vs. married women. More specifically, the gap between married women vs. single women (23 points) is greater than it is between men and women (6 points) or even between married men vs. single men (17 points). Steve Sailer’s blog points this out quite well. See…

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/11/gender-gap-8-points-but-marriage-gap-21.html
    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/10/obama-v-romney-demographics-draw-your.html

    This doesn’t contradict Mark’s rant at all. It just makes it more specific. The polarizing outcomes Mark foresees likely won’t be driven by women per se as much as they’ll be driven by single women.

  • Danger

    To the one’s who think this is not a problem….

    Sure there were only a couple of changes this year, and probably only a couple before that.

    But you need to get your eyeball off of the tree and look at the forest.

    The trend is what is being discussed here, not the current poitn in time statistics (although quite honestly, those are becoming bad in some points).

    Bottom line is, men have been used for the last several decades and it is getting worse. Whites have been getting used for the last couple of decades and that too is getting worse.

    Sure, it’s not “the end of the world as we know it right this moment”, but don’t ignore the trend, because it is steamrolling on and it will crush you and the rest of us.

  • Dreamer

    At this point, I want make my question. I am a bit skeptical of the thinking and promotion of Mark Minter’s post.

    What many of the commenter are talking is what Team-Red summarized “only thing everyone here can do is just try to live a healthy and happy life. ”

    However, can you ignore the underlying sense of doom? Is it a good idea to really take to heart the line “women despise, they think little of you”?

    Does that thought of half the population hating you a motivating thought waking up in the morning or chatting up with any girl or anyone? Does that hold enough truth to correctly assert that in the mind and subsequently interact with the world?

    I get you are talking about a trend. But the mood is the apocalypse. Hard to be motivated when the one thinks in the terms that any job is slavery, half the population is out to get you, and the future have no place for us. Despite the call to revolt and to not be a slave at the last quarter of the essay, the message have a sense of deject abnegation. One can say the message is about not breaking your back for societal duty. But how much is that seems to be really discerned?

    Now Rollo is interested in the feminine imperative affect the political discourse and development. However, I don’t think you can separate that easily of the anthropological case study sampling of Mark’s post and the implicit sense of the post. Yes the trend and sense of the political is moving to the feminine and its way to view the world and its view for solutions. But the post says much more than that, including a sense of hopelessness – not a positive or motivational to alphaness or even to control the individual’s little world.

  • The Shocker

    :+:+:++:+:+::+

    Thank fucking god.

    I commend you for keeping Rational apolitical- while I believe divorce laws should be restructured, this debate does not need the conservative narrative but can be won on the the basis of equity alone. It attracts a crowd who are counter-productive to the game discussion- just look at the shithole that Chateau’s peanut gallery has become.

    I say thank god because I have written 5-10 comments over at Heartiste’s (my gateway to blogs like yours) which contradict his narrative that have all been modded. I have written 2-3 other posts not under the Shocker pseudonym that point out the clear and present flaws in his more political posts that have also been modded. It is for this reason I have stopped commenting and participating on his site (except in the rare instances where my ego demands a larger audience). I do not see people like me with actual game being replaced.

    ~~~~~

    Here is my take on Minter’s manifesto.

    First, I think it’s a major misrepresentation to say women voted one way and men another and that this is the major demographic trend. While true in aggregate, you have to look at the difference between rural and urban, where the majority of urban men also favored democrats in large numbers. There is a major difference in culture, education and lifestyles between men in red counties and blue counties, and it’s wrong to say men voted one way just because the rural population is larger.

    Second, I do not think the demographic trends of certain groups voting one way or another are permanent, though they are hardening unless Republicans adapt. It is Republican hubris to think they can bungle their messaging to each group and still expect a victory:
    Women – Rape, birth control, abortion, etc.
    Hispanics – Not welcome until we need you.
    Asians – WASPS flip-flop, lie and are bad people.
    Republicans tried to destroy Obama on Bengazi and his crisis messaging. While unfounded (http://patriotslog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/patriotslog-apology/), it shows they understand if you can throw negative messaging about your opponent to a voting bloc and have it stick, you win. They tried for four years. So for them to tank themselves by sticking their middle finger up to key voting demographics and dig massive holes for themselves is the height of idiocy.

    These aren’t permanent trends as long as the right adapts. It’s simple marketing and they have to react. It’s a great time to be a latino in the republican party. And look at Christie- the next Republican candidate who positions himself as bipartisan will be seen as the great uniter and will win in a landslide.

    It’s marketing, image is everything. Obama honored Michelle all the time. Romney’s wife is blonde. Romney is robotic, seen as a liar- women are more sensitive to things like this. Romney is mormon, in his 60′s- not sexy. My point here is that these are not permanent trends. A majority of women will gladly vote republican if the messaging and marketing are right. It’s not that hard.

    I would support an Elizabeth Warren presidency- she is the only serious champion of consumer protections in the senate. As the financial situation for this country worsens, I think Democrats will adjust spending accordingly. We’ll see. Republicans want to lop all the spending off in one go- I’m actually okay with both visions for this country as they’re win-win for me. Democrats would keep the economy chugging along as cutting deficit spending would crash the economy, while the lower taxes from Republicans would be a win for my family. Entitlements have grown at a far slower pace than the conservative narrative would have us believe, and ultimately it doesn’t matter as neither financial policy are rooted in fiscal reality (like the rest of the world today).

    The supremacy of the white male, or at least that narrative, was never at play. 32-ish percent of voters were registered Republicans. We can assume a smaller percentage of that group are even aware of the underlying patriarchal social ideology. It’s a fantasy that isn’t relevant anymore, hasn’t been for years– anyone who champions it in righty-friendly game blogs is clueless. I have yet to see a single person tout the conservative narrative in a serious manner who is also worthy of respect- it’s chock full of logical fallacies and false premises. Like when Minter says, oh no, women are using men as ‘forms of recreation.’ Hello. Where are we right now. Game blog. It’s like hooded wasps in a KKK lodge saying blacks are racist.

    Within game world, there’s some weird recent trend to support conservative family values because then betas would be able to actually get laid. It’s so dumb- you hate on fatties and low SMV women all fucking day, but when it comes to beta men they deserve to have society changed to benefit them. Fatties’ problems can be solved by going to the gym- Hey, so can betas. Neither group deserve sympathy. It’s a huge mistake to start aligning men’s rights with the losing conservative platform. It’s all marketing, remember, if men’s rights are seen as beta rights then we lose.

  • Large Hardon Collider

    “The Muslim nations are outbreeding the US, and what they lack in technological advancement they’ll make up in sheer numbers.”

    I’m not sure what you’re worried about; Muslim nations are an economic joke. Thanks to corruption, what little wealth they generate amasses in 1% of the population while everyone else lives in poverty. Change is slow because people are distracted by religious (and tribal, in the case of Africa) strife to focus on progress. Depending on the country they might have natural resources but they don’t have the infrastructure or the volume to compete with China, Russia, U.S. They don’t have the education to rival the service industries of first-world countries. When and if they industrialize, they are going to need coal and natural gas, and where will they buy it? China, Russia, U.S. We import a lot of petroleum but we’re a net energy exporter and it’s only going to increase from here out. Also our GDP is roughly 20 times that of the nearest Muslim country and we have at least a 100 million population head start on all of them save Indonesia.

  • Adam

    @AnonJohn

    The way I see it is that the men at the top couldn’t care less about plight of the average man. They will always see women as victims and continue to prioritize women at the expense of other men. Look at the 2nd debate and see how the “pay gap” was the most dominant topic when in reality men were hardest hit by the recession/mancession and single women are now making more money than single men, girls are also outnumbering boys in higher education, etc… I don’t care about these topics so I can’t elaborate on it, but l’m sure someone who has looked more into it can come up with more examples.

    With that said, whining and bitching about it wont help. Being bitter about it like most of these MRA betas wont help. All you can do is look out for yourself and pursue your own interests — which is the mark of an alpha.

  • Buck

    I look at the red-blue county by county map and it’s painfully clear, there are two America’s….the moral and the immoral.
    Moral people work and contribute, immoral people mooch and hand their bills to others.
    There is no compromise, there is no reaching across the aisle, no working with the other side.
    The only hope for America is a red state secession!
    I think the blue states would welcome this divorce. In their arrogance they actually think they are the great contributors who pay the bills, their delusion is profound.

  • FuriousFerret

    As for regards to Mark Minter.

    Some people say that he is simply bitter and is just bitching and whining.

    I don’t think that is the root emotion that is ultimately driving his posts and his message.

    His tone is akin to religious fervour. Just as I have seen with new religious converts in that they are full of excitement and zeal is what I see with Mark Minter and his posts.

    To him, the red pill is his salvation. He lived a life of quiet desperation and now that it’s better, he wants people to hear about how they to can follow the path to his version of happiness or at least a hell of lot more happy than his AFC life. He is trying to spread around his gospel because of what it means to him and what it did for his life.

    I think the problem that his message runs into is that it’s not for everybody or even the majority. His message in a nutshell is that he will live his life for himself now and not be a slave to society or others, especially women.

    This message rings true for a lot men that have put up with modern women and have been divorced. However, a good majority of the young readers don’t want this. While hunting for pussy is fun for a while, deep down these guys want to have a family someday. While it’s a huge risk, marriage can be done without selling your soul. In fact, I believe that’s the only way he can be done properly. Just as you need game to be successful in getting women in the first place, you need strong alpha king frame more than ever to make a successful marriage. Any other way is almost a gauranteed failure.

    Plus the hate towards women is not tasteful in the sense that that a man should be so far above women that to hate dimishes his value as making him look weak. Women aren’t to be hated, they are to be treated as directs or children. ‘Amused Mastery’ is correct course of action.

    Would you have venom towards your bratty teenage brother? If you do you are chump. No, you would just school him in everything because he’s not at the same level you are at.Same with chicks. Hate isn’t necessary and in fact determintal to your stature.

  • Danger

    @Shocker

    The supremacy of the male is at play. And the supremacy of the whites is at play.

    The intersection of both is at the white male.

    Let’s be real honest here. To spout reality about women and hypergamy will place you squarely in the cross-hairs of feminism and it’s harpies. You will be singled out and ridiculed.

    To spout reality about race will get you the same treatment. It is no mistake that the vast majority of blacks vote for Obama, yet nobody calls that racist. Where-as anybody voting for Romeny because he is white IS a racist.

    You can say that the white male is not under attack, but realizty proves otherwise. Whether it is a coordinated attack between women and minorities is not the point. The point is where the forest is headed regarding the trend. And it does not look good.

  • The Seething Lurker

    Clap. Clap. Clap. Wake up penised people! Meeting at poolside.

  • Stingray

    They will always see women as victims and continue to prioritize women at the expense of other men.

    Meh, maybe some of them do. But many know what buttons to push. They are simply gaming women and instead of getting sex they are getting a vote.

  • Adam

    @Stingray

    True.

  • necorochi

    “I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”

    I totally agree, my problem is that my aunt is letting me stay with her until I ship off to boot camp which is in 11 days.

    I live with my 51 year old aunt and her 33 year old daughter hence my cousin and her 2 year old daughter.

    Now that I live with them I don’t quickly do what they ask for example if my aunt say’s “Can you open the patio so the breeze can come in.” I will not beta and do it as quickly as possible, I will take my time when I’m ready to get up, just enough so she won’t bitch.

    How do you deal with your wife Rollo?
    I feel like since she is letting me stay with her I should just do them but at the same time I want to embody alpha hence

    “I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”

    Should I just say no, Sometimes I just know they take full advantage of that aspect and enjoy slaving me and making a fool out of me, how do you handle this with your wife.

    Please help I HATE doing beta shit but I feel like I have to since she is letting me stay with her.

  • AnonJohn

    @Adam:

    “The way I see it is that the men at the top couldn’t care less about plight of the average man. They will always see women as victims and continue to prioritize women at the expense of other men. Look at the 2nd debate and see how the “pay gap” was the most dominant topic when in reality men were hardest hit by the recession/mancession and single women are now making more money than single men, girls are also outnumbering boys in higher education, etc… I don’t care about these topics so I can’t elaborate on it, but l’m sure someone who has looked more into it can come up with more examples.”

    Men at the top care about themselves and usually, in my experience, have little regard for females as leaders, soldiers, or industry builders. They would rather have them corralled into safe havens of HR jobs and created low middle management, keeping them away from the real power.

    The only reason the “pay gap” was a topic was pandering to the female vote. just like everything else is pandering. but the real people who benefit in the great wealth transfer machine are men.

    have you ever set foot in a defense contractor’s office?

    big industry board rooms?

    military leadership?

    government?

    the entire thing is set up to make men rich and empower men. now, they don’t give a fuck about anyone at all, but part of their existence depends on maintaining a male power dominance.

  • Adam

    @AnonJohn

    Out of all the men in America, only about .01% get to be in big industry board rooms, military leadership, high government office, etc. These people aren’t looking out for their own gender, they are looking out for themselves. And in the case of government, they look out for themselves by pandering to women at the expense of the other 99.99% of people their own gender.

    That’s just the way I see it. Maybe I’m over-simplifying things to a point of retardation.

  • Adam

    And I aso have little regard for females as leaders, soldiers, or industry builders. I’m not opposed to them pursuing those positions, I just don’t think they have it in them.

  • Danger

    @Adam.

    You are right.

    The heirarchy is like this…

    1% of Men > 100% of women > 99% of men

    The glass ceiling to women is barely there but the glass floor exists in spades. Guess who is part of the floor? Yes, that would be you. Now keep supporting that weight.

  • AnonJohn

    furthermore, minter’s analysis politically is just wrong. this wasn’t soley about gender. it was, as it has been, about urban vs rural, educated vs uneducated, coastal vs interior.

  • Phinn

    “Binders full of women.”

    When the Democrats seized on that phrase by Romney, I thought it was a sign they were desperate. I mean, how fucking idiotic to claim there is something wrong with Romney saying that he wanted women in his cabinet, so his search team got several large binders full of womens’ résumés.

    They thought it was funny to talk about how Romney wanted “women in binders” versus “lots of womens’ résumés in three-ring binders.”

    Tee-hee. Ho-ho. Grow the fuck up.

    But it was real. That’s how they actually think. That’s the level of discourse we’re dealing with here.

    I thought it was too stupid to be serious. Too stupid to be a vote-getting talking point. I was wrong. I overestimated the electorate, and that (apparently) is a mistake.

    Elizabeth Warren is also the center of the problem, as Minter said. A law-scrunt manjaw. Zero femininity. Typical modern ultra-feminist.

    She is the originator of Obama’s “You Didn’t Build That” meme. Her version was stated a little differently. But the gist of her basic theory of government is that anytime anyone anywhere in America has ever built any wealth of any significant amount, it’s because Government enabled it to happen.

    It energized the Left when she said it. It made her famous. Obama later seized on it, and made the “You didn’t build that” comment that got recycled by outraged white men (i.e., the people who build, and have built, many things).

    The upshot of Warren’s and Obama’s “You didn’t build that” idea is simple — you owe us.

    It’s a rationalization for taxation — an idea used to justify the government taking whatever portion of your productivity that it deems to be “fair.” After all, the State helped. In their view, the government more than helped, actually — the State Built That.

    “You Owe Us” is just about as close to the center of feminist ideology as one gets.

    It’s a direct outgrowth of the worldview of the dependent class. It’s a perfect expression of the morality of the parasite.

  • YaReally

    See PUAs aren’t monsters…we’re just ahead of the curve.

    The PUA lifestyle (overall, not just the One Night Stand stuff, but we have literature focusing on managing Long Term Relationships and multiple Open Relationships, etc., even Monogamous Relationships but we warn guys going into them that they’re stacking the deck against themselves lol) has all the benefits of the MGTOW lifestyle. We do our own thing, focus on our own paths, our own goals, we spend our money on ourselves, we don’t let ourselves get tied down, we do exactly what we want to do when we want to do it and the rest of the world can fuck itself, except that we also develop the skills required to get pussy easily and lead/dominate the beta 80% of men.

    Literally all we need to do at this point is figure out is how to have and raise children in a risk-free (or low-risk) way, and PUA will be the ultimate lifestyle. Right now the laws pretty much rape a guy and give all the power to women to take children away from their father and drain him financially, so it’s a tricky situation. But we’ll figure it out like we always do, as the early PUAs age and start to settle down and want families and the situation becomes relevant on their radar.

    Imagine a scenario where you live your life the way you want it, full MGTOW style, but you can also get pussy whenever you want without paying for it, and on top of it you can raise children the way you want to with the beliefs and values and view of the world you have, and help create a better generation in the future.

    That’s PUA. Join us now or get left behind. :)

    P.S. Great speech, and I don’t even give a shit about politics.

  • YaReally

    @Phinn

    “But it was real. That’s how they actually think. That’s the level of discourse we’re dealing with here. I thought it was too stupid to be serious. Too stupid to be a vote-getting talking point.”

    A lot of guys have trouble when they get into pick-up because they look at the captain of the football team saying stupid shit to a cheerleader and she’s giggling away and he thinks “that’s not even FUNNY, wtf, why is she laughing so much??”

    This is the way women work. “Change her mood, not her mind.” You can drop a million facts on them and that’s cool, unless someone else comes along and goes “lol look ladies! Binders full of women!! lolol AMIRITE??” and makes them feel good emotions and bam, all the logic goes out the window and they’re on board.

    It’s great to know for pickup, but it’s a scary notion when you think about women having power in an election or society electing a female president.

  • Dreamer

    Now that I live with them I don’t quickly do what they ask for example if my aunt say’s “Can you open the patio so the breeze can come in.” I will not beta and do it as quickly as possible, I will take my time when I’m ready to get up, just enough so she won’t bitch.

    No one is responding to this. But I need to bring up that I’m not sure this is the mentality to think here. Fixating to not be a slave and a fool does not mean constantly trying to avoid being a beta and feel rage everytime you do an action viewable as beta – so about any action that serve someone else.

    Rollo made a post about this with example of posters at his forum where posters were worrying if a certain action is beta.

    It’s context. Not the action. Do we need to worry that every request from females including one’s own family as beta?

  • meh

    Mark Minter would have made a great Merry Prankster. A little something to gum up the machine. I wonder if he likes The Dead.

  • taterearl

    A lot of guys have trouble when they get into pick-up because they look at the captain of the football team saying stupid shit to a cheerleader and she’s giggling away and he thinks “that’s not even FUNNY, wtf, why is she laughing so much??”

    *raises hand*

    I used to focus too much on the words…what I should have been focusing on was the body language and vibe. Heck when it comes to women when I talk with them now my conversations are more in mad libs territory and they just laugh and get tingles.

  • Axe Head

    I thought it was too stupid to be serious. Too stupid to be a vote-getting talking point. I was wrong. I overestimated the electorate, and that (apparently) is a mistake.

    Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

  • YaReally

    On Jezebel there’s a post saying “Team Rape lost!” How is anyone supposed to win against that? Do women do any research or anything? Nah. They go “Team RAPE?? Well I certainly can’t vote for them!! Who’s everyone else voting for? Okay I’ll vote for that person instead, look there’s a picture of him riding a bicycle with a helmet on that looks like a Nice Guy, right my 12 cats and fatherless children?”

    lol maybe a PUA should run for president.

  • derthal

    The changes are so fast. Maybe women will take over dominance in society, but it won’t last a long time. They are mentally unprepared for maintaining such status. They will scratch each other eyes out when times come and men will be standing aside and enjoying the spectacle. Hypergamy doesn’t care about hierarchy. The few exceptions in history was just exceptions.

  • Obsidian

    Hey Rollo,
    Got wind of your post by way of Vox, and I must say, Bro. MM is on it. I’ve written a bit about last night’s events and what it portends for the future:

    The End Of White Men
    http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com/entry/108728

    Excellent comments here btw, especially by G. Deep.

    O.

  • Pip

    I got news for you people – you’ll end up funding the brave new socialist future whether you like it or not. The money is removed from you paychecks before you even see it and goes to pay for entitlement programs. It has been for years. All of this bluster here is just noise and you know it. Get back in line.

  • Phinn

    Only employees get paychecks. Because of their subordinate status, they do indeed have their compulsory, involuntary payments to their masters deducted before receiving their first dime. You’ll notice that this is the way a child is treated.

    That’s why I recommend to men who want to be happy and naturally more alpha to do 2 simple things, which matter more than all the theory and Game advice put together — work out and work for yourself.

    Be fit, and own your own business.

    When you accomplish those two tasks, you’re most of the way there already.

  • MNL

    @necorochi

    it’s not beta unless it’s beta. What I mean is, unless the request is made as part of a shit test, or combined with attitude, agenda, or a ball-busting frame, it’s not beta; it’s just a request–especially if the task involves something traditionally manly. Make sure your perception of their requests is accurate. There could also be an odd dynamic involving their missing you and their coming to grips with the fact that you’re embarking on an occupation from which you may not return!

    Cut it some slack. It’s just 11 days. You’re in a tough spot since you’re already in the beta position of being dependent on their hospitality. Consider their requests the price of rent–and perhaps even make a verbal joke out of it the next time they request something to make it clear you’re aware it’s an exchange rather than an entitlement. …But above all, enjoy the heck out of your “niece!” Boot camp is going to bust your ass far worse than your aunt will. Enjoy your family for crying out loud before you ship off to some far-flung part of the world. Looked at in all those ways, and with that attitude, it’s no longer beta!

  • Paul Murray

    Obama won against a man whose business revolved around offshoring jobs, and whose religion revolves around taking the word of a 19th-cenury bunco artist as revelations from God. The scary thing is that it was as close as it was.

  • Chuck Hammer

    necorochi
    Please help I HATE doing beta shit but I feel like I have to since she is letting me stay with her.

    You’ve mentally wrapped yourself around the axle here. You’re staying with FAMILY (all women but still family) as a GUEST. I assume your aunt is not charging you rent. If your aunt asks for your help, then snap to attention and help. There’s nothing beta about that, it’s just common courtesy.

    You want to be alpha? Pack your shit and move into a motel.

  • OlioOx

    As G says, only 10% of the engineers in his company are women, yet somehow women are ACTUALLY ABLE TO (increasingly) DOMINATE THE COMPANY. “50% of the VPs are women.”

    AnonJohn points out that “men [still] dominate all the important things: highest levels of government, military, and economy.”

    They only “dominate” NUMERICALLY. But they’re allowing themselves to be told what to do, how to do it, and what policies to make, BY WOMEN AND BY FEMINIZED MEN.

    Most men are AVERAGE. That’s what the word ‘average’ actually MEANS. They do women’s bidding as they have always done — and now, increasingly, the ABOVE-average men at the highest levels of male-dominated fields, organizations, institutions, etc. are doing women’s bidding. As G says, “Those men that have the strongest masculine tendencies get pushed out of the company. The rest just fall in line.” That is, they fall in line WITH WHAT WOMEN WANT. And this now includes the men at the top.

    G: “Those men who don’t go to college and who are from a cultural background where crime is more common, will do whatever is necessary to get sex, including, if not primarily joining gangs and being a bad boy.”

    But what’s another way a LOT of men are getting sex these days? By being kitchen bitches, accepting obese women, and letting women dominate them in general. The sex they’re getting isn’t as good and won’t last as long — but most males nowadays are simply desperate and they’re doing whatever they can to get laid (actually that’s the way it’s been since life emerged on earth)

    So put it all together. Modern Western engineering company which is 90% male = run by totally cowering feminized men, no manly men welcome — and yet it runs and does its fine engineering work. If the feminocracy can crush 90%-male engineering companies to its will, it can obviously find enough willing conniving men to solve ALL its problems.

    Some of you seem to believe that the vast majority of men are some day going to go on some kind of strike, something like in Atlas Shrugged. You are not understanding that unless it really IS at least 85-90% of men, it won’t be enough to do more than cause a slight but not catastrophic decline in the general level of the society. There are three reasons for this assertion:

    1) There are very very few jobs and occupations left that NO women can do. Men outnumber women in the STEM fields — but the numbers of women are INCREASING. The standards of these fields may drop somewhat, but not to the point where Western countries will turn into Africa. The average IQ of the women moving into these fields in the West is, after all, still at Western levels.

    2) As for heavy lifting, oil well drilling, front line soldiering, etc. — the number of actual physical tasks that only men can do in such fields is now very very small, and continues to shrink. The military? Women are quite capable of piloting drones from remote locations and pushing buttons which result in the drone blowing up houses full of people. They are also quite capable of driving tanks and pushing buttons which do all the things tanks do. Furthermore, they can and do COMMAND OTHER SOLDIERS TO DO HARD STUFF. Just read the names in news reports. The military is like G’s 90%-male engineering company: For the time being, the men totally outnumber the women, but the women, and the feminized society in which the company exists, ARE INCREASINGLY RUNNING THE SHOW AND MAKING THE BIG DECISIONS.

    3). If you want 85% or 90% of men to seriously withdraw from society such that they will have an enormous negative impact, you will have to offer them sufficient INCENTIVE that it will be worth what they are SACRIFICING — or THINK they are sacrificing. What is this incentive being so offered? And by the way: An incentive is not the same thing as a PROMISE. The plain fact is, unless the incentives offered are plainly, concretely better than remaining in the Matrix, only a minority of men will ever accept to participate in this strike.

    D-Man has it sussed — but even he is of the “slow collapsist” school of thinking. It’s just silly. You all have to understand: Modern Western women are completely capable of running the WHOLE SHOW; they’ll just run it less well and they’ll NEVER have to go without a bit of male help. Western man has built a political and technological world that CAN be run by women, and only a few men are REALLY necessary for certain things.

    The future of the feminized US is not Mali or Nigeria; it is more along the lines of Mexico, or perhaps Italy. Perhaps some of you would still consider that “collapse”!

  • Richard

    STOP complaining! The end of western civilization is no different than figuring out how to get laid.
    If you are worthy of the title MAN you will FIND a way!
    So the social system and the government have conspired against you, this isn’t the first time this has happened.
    Study those who have survived and lived to tell the tale. Learn their mental attitudes and methods. You did this when you became a PUA.
    I strongly recomend Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and Iceberg Slim.

  • Anti-Blue pill

    Embrace the suck people, this is the new normal when losers can vote for more of your productivity, and the Fed gov continues to spend like a rejected K street crack whore.

    I voted for Romney for the sole purpose of getting rid Obama, i was very upset to see the jug ears win again, but the Cynic in me is glade he won because lets be honest here the Repubs wouldn’t have done shit with the budget.

    So if the losers of America want this once great nation to go Full retard
    then by all means lets burn this motherfucker down and go bankrupt.
    I don’t fucking care anymore i’ll help too (where can i find those Obama bucks) I really look forward when the poor losers starve and die because big daddy gov has no more people to freeload from.

    Remember you fucking freeloaders!!!!! “you can try to ignore reality, but reality won’t ignore you” enjoy the gov cheese you useless Cocksuckers!!!

    Rant off.

  • Ronin

    moth2flame

    “Women only have the power we as men give to them. When will the men of the world recognize this?”

    Correction, men in the West. Go ask Muhammad.

  • michaeltx

    Mark Minter for President 2016

  • FuriousFerret

    I think the point that everybody is missing here is that the way to win a cultural revolution towards masculinity is the same way that the women pushed feminism: through pussy.

    See if you can enlighten enough men that going against the feminine culture with it’s bullshit advice and conflicting lies about the SMP and that acting in a masculine manner with game will get them laid the paradigm would shift tomorrow.

    The sexual revolution was basically only supported because the guys thought of the sexual spoils. All of these previously chaste women were now going to spread their legs for the all the dude. Hooray!!!!!!!

    But it didn’t work out that way did it. There was the little thing called natural selection and biology.

    Now if you could really make dudes believe that their chances of laid expontientally increase when taking the red pill. Dude, feminism would so fucked it won’t even be funny.

  • Michael of Charlotte

    I don’t agree with his outcome. Simply put, we are borrowing money to keep advancing women into higher and higher positions, to fund whatever they want. But if you’re looking at America right now, would you buy our debt? I don’t think so. Once we can’t sell our debt anymore, then women will come crashing down.

    Beyond that, I agree with what he said and it really makes me sad how much women hate me.

  • BDS

    AnonJohn – well stated. It is largely white Christian men who own the means of production and make the decisions to unemploy working class men of all races here in the U.S. in pursuit of maximizing their own wealth. It’s hard to place the blame on those with whom you have for so long identified, but it’s squarely where it belongs. Women and minorites’ influence on this is at most a sideshow. Both political parties serve the same master. The outcome of yesterday’s election will have no more influence on changing this situation than will the outcome of this weekend’s NFL games.

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  • Ulf Elfvin

    “Women only have the power we as men give to them. When will the men of the world recognize this?”

    Parasites only have the power that producers give to then. When will the producers of the world recognize this?

  • Tom White

    “I will be nobody’s slave and nobody’s fool”.

    When I say the system is broken and men ought to go their own way this is what I mean

    Playing by society’s rules or following society’s expectation is a sucker’s game because you can’t win; the game is designed so you can’t win

    Instead, start your own game

  • javert

    Epic post is yet another Epic post by Mark Minter.

    I slightly disagree on the republicans being the saviors of men, but that’s a point for another day. Everything else about men being on their own and abandoning once and for all the idea of a society to serve and revere is dead on, on words that could easily become a manifesto.

    It comes to mind Advocatus Diaboli’s post about MGTOW being the predominant form rather than game. It’s also spot on, as much as I would like to envision a bright future of sophisticated hedonism and conquests.

  • Ulf Elfvin

    “He makes a lot of good points. I’d say overall that post was pure gold. However, he overlooks the one glaring, salient point: the economy. Any economy that has a bunch of men disincentivized from participation is doomed to fail, and fail hard. Men might live life on their own terms, but eventually someone’s gotta drill the oil, mine the rare-earths needed in the plasma TV’s, and grease the wheels of the nation.

    If there’s nothing in it for them, they’re not going to do it. Women’s gains are only going to last as long as there’s someone else to pay for them. Women aren’t drilling the oil, digging the coal out of the earth, and they’re not laboring to maintain the heavy equipment like diesel trucks and railroads needed to keep things rolling.

    It may be the new paradigm, but it’s not a sustainable one. Arguably, it’s one that’ll accelerate society towards collapse.”

    Exactly. Read “Atlas Shrugged”, if you haven’t already. Parasitism isn’t practical in the long run. Even the producers who accept the (pseudo-) morality of their oppressors aren’t able to produce.

  • JC

    If protecting the male franchise was so important, why have white men spent so much time excluding black men and brown men?

    Just to be clear, you do all realize that George W. Bush was trying to save you from the coming wave when he proposed immigration reform after being re-elected in 2004, right?

    But, you let all the racists come unhinged and managed to piss away so much of the brown male vote in America that now even the Cubans — who naturally agree with the anti-socialist critique of America — won’t vote Republican.

    In conclusion: pissing on brown men was a dumb fucking move. Enjoy the meal, because you all paid for it.

  • YaReally

    @Tom White

    “Playing by society’s rules or following society’s expectation is a sucker’s game because you can’t win; the game is designed so you can’t win”

    Yep. Tyler said it back in The Blueprint:

    “If you’re looking for other people’s standards to determine your value, you will always come up short. Even if you’re successful, you’re still a dumb chode that spends all his time living up to other people’s standards. You still are coming from a foundational level where reacting to other people is how you spend your days.”

  • YaReally

    Relevant clip on going your own way and setting your own values, living your own life, etc:

    8:50 is around where the part I quoted above came from. Whole clip is good though. Because he’s a PUA it’s focused more on “how is this relevant to getting pussy”, but the concepts are the same ones MGTOW guys approve of. Like I say, there’s a lot of crossover between PUA and MGTOW beliefs…except that PUAs develop the skillset to get laid while they GTOW lol

  • blackbird.young

    Did you make this blog so you could understand how best to raise your daughter?

  • blackbird.young

    holy shit, before I continue reading, someone above mentioned the behind the ear “dose”. I know what you’re talking about.

  • Sp5

    Mark jumped the shark with this one.

    Women are the enemy? I like women. They are what they are. Liking women is a key to amused mastery of them.

    Not to say I haven’t admired things Mark has written. We’re about the same age and I think have some shared experience of women putting the hurt on us.

    “The personal is political” is a tenet of feminist theory. That doesn’t mean it’s invalid: maybe it does have the same validity to men’s lives. Extrapolating it to this presidential election only goes so far. Romney was just not the optimum Republican candidate and he put his foot in his mouth may times over the last year. Romney was too “try hard” to be an alpha male and I doubt he’s ever been in a real fist fight. Obama is a known quantity and on his record and statements is unlikely to start a war with Russia (!!).

    Props to Taterearl, Dreamer and others who see this a maybe too Manichean for the ordinary rational male who wants to get laid.

  • Thomas Gray

    Feminism and its consequences is a luxury. Simple as that. In the Western civilization we have the time and money to worry about these luxurious ethical issues.

    It’s the same thing with sustainability. Everything has to become more green, sustainable, environmental friendly, enter random synonym here. We have the time and money to worry about this ethical issue.

    However, what we see now is that due to the economic crisis that we do not have the time and money to worry about ethical issues as much as we had before. What happens is that most sustainable projects in businesses are getting shelved for later, or cancelled entirely, because they cost too much resources.

    In my opinion, this is what is going to happen with feminism as well. Simply because it is an ethical luxury. Some parts of it were good and had to be made more equal to men, but they went overboard because they found it easy to gain a better position, be it the men thinking sex would be more available or the women who wanted more power in general. That does not matter, they went overboard.

    When the lack of time and money becomes large enough even this, possibly last remaining, ethical issue (e.g. luxury) called feminism will get shelved.

  • thebloggerssoliloquy

    @The Shocker
    Real fucking talk.

    @OlioOx
    Even realer fucking talk.

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