The comments here also show me just how difficult it is to unplug yourself from The Matrix. I’m surprised at the disagreements with Rollo here. Not that one shouldn’t quesiton or disagree, but personally anyone who is seeking soulmates and LTR’s at 22 needs to seriously re-think things.

Here’s to bravery!

Makes no sense…

[Judging Sluts
The Slut Paradox]

My total experience with the opposite sex is as follows:

2001 – ‘LDR’ with a girl I met in a Yahoo Chat room who lived 400 miles away

2002 – I try ONCE to flirt with a girl at a music store but she senses my desperation and bans me

2003 – I make out with 3 girls and casually flirt with them but one already has a bf, and scare the other two away, one with clinginess, one with a stress related breakdown

2003-2006 – ‘LDR’ with a girl I met on campus and continued to ‘see’ when I moved back home. She lived 150 mi away and broke up with me after graduating herself

2007 – Lived for a year with a platonic female friend with a big city until I hasd to return home to care for a sick relative

2008-present – no attempts to pursue women whatsoever and no attention from them (not surprsing)

So in my life I’ve experienced:

2 LDRs over the computer chat rooms
I’ve been flirtatious with six women (all between age 18-20)
Made out with 3 (all age 20)
Been on ‘dates’ with 2 (both age 20)

At 30, I have an apt, a job, an education I’m in a band, but I’m unable so far to express my sexuality, have no options and havent for many yrs, and have simply found other ways of living my life while I try to figure this all out.

Everybody knows the Jews are those strange guys who rule the world, aka alpha-than-you-who-despise-you-and-will-fuck-you.
It is just what came to my mind. Sorry for the bad taste if you found it offensive, but I thought it was “edgy”.

Really? I thought it was the Illuminati who ruled the world. Or the Rand corporation. Or is it the Bilderbergers? The saucer people?

No, I wasn’t offended by your comment, I just thought it was a non sequitur.

The difference between us, is that probabily you are a liberal and get pleasure from the believe that girls enjoy riding the carouselle. They don’t. They do it because they can and because they “feel high”, but it goes *against* their natures in many, many ways. The carouselle is more of a disgrace for women than for man. To me, the carouselle is evil.

No, I’m not a liberal. By most measures I’m conservative, more so than most other people I personally know.

No I don’t get pleasure from girls riding the carousel. I think it’s a significant contributing factor to the decline of our society. But I also think that I don’t have a whole lot of influence over it. Women are herd creatures and they are reacting, in their own self interested and short sighted way, to the conditions on the ground when choosing to ride the carousel.

I think your claims about whether girls enjoy riding the carousel and why they do it are pure conjecture, and you’re judging it as evil and a disgrace by completely outdated and outmoded standards of propriety. Before you misunderstand me here though, I’m not saying that your standards are morally wrong, I’m saying that they are too divergent from those of society for them to be accurately representative of reality. And I’m not getting the sense that you realize how great this difference is, and the significance of this fact.

Times have moved on and yet you’re still expecting others to live by the standards of fifty years ago. Are you not paying attention to the incredible levels of entitlement that western women have these days? Did you not notice all of the traditional social restraints on their behavior have been removed? Have you read any main stream media article on gender issues? Social standards are more or less a majority rules type of thing, and on this you have been outvoted. Women today can get a lot of validation to act in a different way if they decide they don’t like your idea of what a “quality” woman is.

Or in other words, you and I might agree that the carousel is bad for the future of our society, but enough people in our society have the opposite belief continually reinforced for them that our opinions don’t really matter to anyone but us and the small number of people who agree. Majority rules I’m afraid.

The actual difference between us is that I’ve realized that changing this is too costly and time consuming for it to be worthwhile for me, and you haven’t.

Ack… You actually said that??? Are you brain-damaged? At your age you should be saying the exact opposite – heck, I say the exact opposite and I’m more than 2x your age.

This is desperation to the max… You should be telling her that while you think she’s great, you are too young for “anything serious” that you still need to “experience life and everything it has to offer”. Put it to her that she’s going to have to work it if she wants things to last. That is HER job, not yours.

Women are by their very nature insecure and suspect that every other women knows more, is better looking, and better in bed than she is, unless you tell her that to you she is wonderful. So your job is NEVER do that since it works against you. Keep your options open, and never put all of your eggs in one basket – have several women on the side-lines working their way through the system, being “vetted”.

When you are with one woman, always flirt with others – if the woman you’re with makes a deal of it, call her for being jealous and possessive when this is just for “fun” and you’re just “being nice”. Always keep her on the defensive, never let her think she knows the score – if you do, you’re doomed…

You are 24 – your best times are still ahead of you. Trust me… You should look forward to bedding women who haven’t even been born yet. You have longevity… Never forget that… Don’t saddle yourself with a woman that is going to be old, long before you are hitting your stride. You will be in your prime in another 10 years, and it’ll go for decades – she’s in her prime, and will start that downward slide in another few years. So enjoy her now – but remember, she’s replaceable – it’s your job to keep that forefront in your mind. She’s just passing through… The best is yet to come…

Everybody knows the Jews are those strange guys who rule the world, aka alpha-than-you-who-despise-you-and-will-fuck-you.
It is just what came to my mind. Sorry for the bad taste if you found it offensive, but I thought it was “edgy”.

“If you have a problem, you either fix it, or you learn to deal with it.”

My moto is, if you have a problem, then deal with it while you try to fix it, untill you fix it.
Eventually, you can give up and just lead with it. I am trying to fix WHAT can be fixed, only:

That, if a guy has a girlfriend he likes (and thus, I think, high vallue), he shouldn’t “allow” her to go ride the carouselle. If she *wants to* ride the carouselle, than, she is automatically of “lower quality” and unfixable.

“The fact that you think that THAT is a workable plan says it all really. You’re not fixing anything by doing that, you’re essentially making your own personal choice to live by a different set of values without dealing with the wider society all around you ready to undermine you if your influence slips.”

By doing that I don’t mean retreat from society. I mean create an oasis where my rules are to be obeyed. Actually, I think the right kind of girl would find it intensely attractive, if done right.

“You don’t have any control at all under those circumstances unless the people you are trying to influence choose to allow you it.”

Once, we’re in the context of women. Reading what you wrote it reached my mind as following:

“You can only do that if a girl is somewhat invested in you AND she has any self love and Vallue”

Exactly, I am not talking about whores, or the average girl, who is a whore, I am talking about *Quality Girls*. I am talking girls who are worth marrying me, eventually, even in this day and age (don’t even bother, I know how freakishly that sounds, but when I talk about quality girls, most people think I am talking about escorts or something).

“What control did he have over “his” woman going to ride the carousel?”

He was a beta. If he wasn’t so beta as Rollo showed in his writings, I’d advise him to do something crazy or leave it. Something crazy might include physical violence.
But he was so beta, the girl didn’t really care for him at all. And he was so beta he really, really liked that whore in a romantic way.

“The carousel is a society wide phenomenon”

Off my head… the percentage of girls 20-25yo I think ride the carouselle here are, what? 75% of the hot bangable ones? 6~7 and up?
It is a society wide phenomenon, but there is a non negligeble percentage of women that don’t engange in it.
And those who engage, have little self respect.

The difference between us, is that probabily you are a liberal and get pleasure from the believe that girls enjoy riding the carouselle. They don’t. They do it because they can and because they “feel high”, but it goes *against* their natures in many, many ways. The carouselle is more of a disgrace for women than for man. To me, the carouselle is evil.

“the small pockets of resistance strategy can work is if you can effectively create an alternate reality where people are heavily invested in remaining inside”

Any girl who has an lt boyfriend and is loyal to him, is a girl who found a man who created those conditions.

“Or you can just find someone who already shares your values, in which case you’re not really controlling anyone, they are choosing to stay with you because of what they believe or what you offer in comparison. In this circumstance though, you still need to account for and deal with the fact that a bigger more influential society is right there, just outside of your little bubble, ready to give “your” woman all the validation she could ever need if she decides to stray.”

Exactly.
And if she likes me and gives me a chance, it is us who will rule the fucking society. Lol I’m tired already.