I’m 22. Keep up the good work.

And men are uncapable of loving women in the way we idealize. That’s because only the self fully knows, idealizes and love the self. We seek the self in the other.

“In the same respect that women cannot appreciate the sacrifices men are expected to make in order to facilitate their imperatives, women can’t actualize how a man would have himself loved by her. It is not the natural state of women, and the moment he attempts to explain his ideal love, that’s the point at which his idealization becomes her obligation.”

As a woman I’d be interested in knowing what this ideal is from your perspective, to see if it matches or conflicts with the ideal that I, as a woman, have nurtured about love.

” Our girlfriends, our wives, daughters and even our mothers are all incapable of this idealized love. As nice as it would be to relax, trust and be vulnerable, upfront, rational and open, the great abyss is still the lack of an ability for women to love Men as Men would like them to.”

I have never been loved by a man as I would like them (him) to love me either.

This goes back to the self knowing, idealizing and loving the self as only the self can. We want the other to know, idealize and love us the same, but it cannot be so.

Nonetheless I am really curious, if you could give word to it, about how you idealize love and would like to be loved.

“The constant placating to her to maintain her love conflicts with the neediness of how he’d like to be loved is a hypergamic recipe for disaster, so when she falls out of love with him he literally doesn’t know that she no longer loves him.”

Can you elaborate on women objective love a little more, so I can know where to draw the line.

I was not overt about the neediness but you could almost feel it in the vibe. I’m not a real needy person I got really good at dispelling my emotions , aloof etc but I caught my self doing exactly as how you portrayed.

Let’s first actually see some actual evidence that we actually are.

“To really gain this insight, do an experiment.

Have lunch in a mall food court. Force yourself to pay attention to all the women who DO NOT catch your eyes’

The older ones. The fat ones. The ugly ones.

Could you ‘love’ them, the way we are talking about love?”

What way would that be?

This one?

Women, if you want to attract us, you should keep in mind that even when we’re NOT EVEN dating you, we men are still expected to step into the line of harm to protect you women from any dangers. That’s what we mean by devotion. That’s the degree and kind of commitment we’re expected to bring to the interaction by default. In the bacon and eggs of this, we’re the pigs and you’re the chickens.

This still holds true. And I suspect that’s one of the things driving men’s desire for “unconditional” love — reciprocation of that level of commitment.

That’s about as “unconditional” a love as you’re going to find in this world — the willingness to fight, kill, and even die in someone else’s defense.

Many, maybe even most of us, would still fight, kill, and die in the defense of those older, fat, ugly women. Sure, we’d likely prioritze the younger, fit, pretty women, but not ahead of our own selves. . .let alone other men.

For all your talk about your age and experience, you don’t seem very cognizant about the relatively far greater invisibility everybody applies to men and boys, including they to themselves.

Males are so “invisible” in the usa that we’ve industrially commoditized their erogenous tissue. We genitally mutilate over a million innocent children every year out of literally nothing more than ignorant sexist bigotry, and then resell their sexual flesh on the open market so that, among other things, those older, far, ugly women can have cosmetic anti-wrinkle facial cream.

So we’re understating just how bad it really is, if anything.