Comments on: Backwards to Zero

By: AP

AP — Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:59:11 +0000

What is the female imperative in a few words?

By: Randy

Randy — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 14:23:34 +0000

“A guy who spends his life obsessing over climbing the corporate ladder to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over mastering guitar and playing in a rock band to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who spends his life obsessing over pursuing financial rewards and acquiring resources to get more attention from women is a loser.
A guy who….. ah, you get the point.”

Yes, guys that do those things for those reasons are losers, just like guys who obsess over getting girls and write all about it on the internet. Many guys climb the corporate ladder because they enjoy it, or learn guitar because they enjoy it, or want finances so they can travel and enjoy it. The fact that you framed it like this shows that you are obsessed with women lol.

By: Wilson

Wilson — Tue, 10 Jul 2012 20:33:11 +0000

He has heard it all, and besides having lost patience, knows the best way to shut up morons is to brutally skull fuck them, leaving the crowd in gape-jawed astonishment.

By: Sam Spade

Sam Spade — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:27:45 +0000

Holy Shit, I’m an idiot. I didn’t realize Rollo already broke down the Roosh post and did a great job besides. Well, never mind….LOL

By: koevoet

koevoet — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:36:28 +0000

Apollo, we are pretty much in agreement. What I mean by “superior” is in the situations discussed (getting laid) the alpha traits are the ones that are generally aspired to whereas the beta traits are to be avoided, i.e. they are “inferior”. Perhaps I am just adding another definition, but this one allows me to get my head around the info, it is a placeholder for me. On this site there are a number of traits that are to be desired, effective tactics (like plate-spinning), and things to be avoided (buffers, allowing an LJBF, being an emotional tampon, etc.). When I read ‘alpha’ on this blog (and on several others) I just insert the superior traits in my head and keep reading. When I read ‘beta’ I insert the negative traits. I could probably philosophize ad nauseum about what I consider to be ‘alpha’ and ‘beta’ and would probably add in gammas, etc. But that would be pointless. I don’t really see any purpose in splitting hairs over what is alpha and what is beta, I just use the words as best I can and focus on the traits, like you said. At the same time, I see no need to throw out the terms because they are useful placeholders.

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By: derthal

derthal — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:12:04 +0000

“And I don’t know about you guys, but I can assure you that any man who’s success with women would have him attempt to assert his dominance over me would face the prospect of having to back up his “alpha creds” with his fists. Are you sure you want to go down that road, Alpha Male?”

“One’s ability to court-jester his way into a woman’s bed does not an Alpha Male make. Not in 2012.”

You have to decide whether you live in XXI century and take advantage of social skills (or learn some) or would fight for dominance like muskox.

By: anon

anon — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 07:54:54 +0000

It’s late so I didn’t read the whole post, but I suspect you’re missing the forest for the trees. Arguments over what is/isn’t beta is little more than misdirected anger by those who aren’t articulate/introspective enough to air their true grievances.

The real reason alpha/beta rubs a lot of guys the wrong way is because this dichotomy implies dominance over other men. I never thought I would employ the term “loaded language”, but it seems to fit the bill quite right here.

Never forget that real power (which is ultimately at the heart of everything we discuss in this corner of the internet) is little more than a monopoly on violence. And I don’t know about you guys, but I can assure you that any man who’s success with women would have him attempt to assert his dominance over me would face the prospect of having to back up his “alpha creds” with his fists. Are you sure you want to go down that road, Alpha Male?

For most of our history, one’s access to women was indeed a close proxy for one’s actual power. But this isn’t the case anymore, which is why the alpha/beta dichotomy as used here is fucking retarded. One’s ability to court-jester his way into a woman’s bed does not an Alpha Male make. Not in 2012. Sorry fellas.

Isn’t it ironic that the poseur “alpha males” of today are every bit the beneficiaries of the state’s protection as the “independent single mothers” they (rightfully) deride?