Comments on: Moral to the Manosphere

By: Derpifer

Derpifer — Wed, 18 Mar 2015 23:40:59 +0000

I think the most damaging thing I learned when young was that it’s wrong to have sex with someone you don’t love…because boy did that ever put the cart before the horse!

By: Owed Sex |

Owed Sex | — Thu, 12 Jun 2014 04:23:06 +0000

[…] know, it’s generally my practice to describe things – not to prescribe things – and allow readers to make their own moral conclusions, but I’ll break form in this […]

By: Homosexuality |

Homosexuality | — Sun, 20 Apr 2014 22:58:24 +0000

[…] I get myself into the inevitable morass this post will likely generate, please have a read of the Rational Male policy about morality. My purpose in setting this out isn’t to persecute anyone, nor should an objective grasp of […]

By: The House upon the Sand | Alpha Is Assumed

The House upon the Sand | Alpha Is Assumed — Tue, 20 Aug 2013 05:45:39 +0000

[…] Nevertheless, I stood my ground and believe I won the argument. Rollo completely missed the point I was making regarding women’s opinions of Jordan and Tomba and implied that because I was making value judgments I was somehow disregarding reality. Rollo’s raison d’être is almost entirely describing what is (A), and I won’t dispute that he’s a master of it. I was merely attempting to bring the argument into the realm of what should be (G). I won’t dispute that Rollo comprehends human nature as it is, but when it comes to making moral judgments, he’s AWOL. […]

By: Hypergamy Synthesis |

Hypergamy Synthesis | — Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:24:36 +0000

[…] is my standing rule, I strive for a separation of moralism and rationality on this blog, up to the point where the topic crosses over into a better rational understanding of […]

By: Scott

Scott — Sat, 07 Apr 2012 23:14:26 +0000

@Cyrus, It depends on how you define a relationship. It’s probably better to not have a “we live together” type relationship unless considering marriage. However, there can be benefits to a “relationship” that is meeting once or twice a week (for doing some things for fun and easier lays) over months. I accept the reality of hypergamy and I’m OK with it personally, but the possible financial down-side of a divorce is why I will never get married. I am one of the few who is a S4L (Seducer For Life) as this is what is best for me (and for the women I continue to meet). My Core Value is Freedom. This post was probably mentioning licentiousness. I enjoy meeting new women and having various fun experiences with women. I learned years ago to never try to please anyone, especially people (parents, some women, society) who can never allow themselves (or others around them) to be happy. I can be happy and I am happy and I do what makes me happy (even sometimes with women). I find a meaning/a purpose (I’m not here speaking of a larger overall life purpose, but specifically in this comment saying a lower subset purpose with women) being to do things with women (fun AND sexual) in ways that makes myself happier AND to give TO women (fun experiences AND sexual pleasure) during the times we are together.This is not completely for my ego either, as I’m not overly concerned if this makes every woman happier or not (although it almost always does). It would be like giving CPR or a gift to someone regardless if they say thanks or not (most will like it). The joy in giving (and the experience/pleasure) is the internal reward. I have an interest in business so if we are out having fun and I hear a woman say she likes something I take note. I have an interest in sexual products and sexual techniques and it’s pleasurable for us both, plus it’s beneficial to her if she has an O or at least some internal pleasure so I’m always happy to be a part of giving pleasure. In the flow of life nothing remains the same, after any amount of time we can all move on to the next (person, experience) and make the most out of being happy with it.
Taoofdirt seems stable. ThePrivateMan seems to be balanced and stable. RationalMale (Rollo) and most of the commenters (except for me, ha) are balanced and insightful. Yesterday I read on ezinearticles (Search > Scot McKay > bottom of page to “View all … articles”) a few posts by Scot McKay (who seems stable): pg. 6 of 7 “Nice Guys vs Good Men”, pg 3 “Dating Tips for Guys – The Difference Between Nice and Mr Nice Guy”, and pg 3 “The Big Four Factors That Attract Women To A Certain Man.” Today in “Think and Grow Rich” I re-read the Self-Confidence Formula. Posts like these remind me how much Game has benefited me, not even having to do with meeting women, but with becoming a better man and living an improved life overall.

By: Cyrus

Cyrus — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:50:39 +0000

So whats the point?

But really.

I’m a young, freshly game-enlightened guy who doesn’t want a relationship at all because of my knowledge of hypergamy. I’m skilled at seducing girls and my notch count grows high, but on a very nihilistic level I honestly see now point in interacting with women.

I can think back with fondness on each and every individual girl I’ve been with, whether it was one night or months on end, and it’s a pretty raw deal for men when women remember us as “That guy with the X habit. I can’t believe I ever dated/hooked up/fucked him).

There’s just no point to it anymore. Sure, I love one night stands alot, but I also desire some meaning. But no meaning can be found. Women can’t be happy with us. Even when they’ve found an alpha, they’re still trying to trade up.

By: YaReally

YaReally — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:58:44 +0000

“It’s perfectly possible to rarely cold approach yet still find a large enough dating pool from which to select one or several girls for an LTR or MLTR and for flings.”

Absolutely, I agree 100%. But if you’re not cold approaching, then you have no credentials to be lecturing guys on how cold approach works or what attracts women off cold approaches.

That’d be like saying “I totally got laid by my wife for the 500th time yesterday guys! BOOYA!!! Now lemme tell you, my wife likes when I wear my suit, so the trick to picking up girls in a nightclub or to have sex with them a couple hours from meeting them on the street in the daytime is to be wearing a suit! Pay attention bros.”

It’s retarded.

I don’t have anything against guys who don’t cold approach because they have other ways they get laid, that’s cool. The problem is when those guys extrapolate their limited experience into theoretical keyboard jockey advice to guys who are learning to cold approach. You picking up a girl in your social circle, even if it’s the first time you meet her face to face, is NOT the same as cold approaching a random girl and seducing her the first time you meet her.

I’ve never talked smack about guys who love long term relationships or marriages or whatever, every guy wants something different…I only talk smack if those guys, who are not going out regularly cold-approaching girls the way most newbies are trying to learn, start rattling off retarded advice that tested heavily in the field is clearly will be clearly exposed as bullshit. ’cause those are the guys that fuck newbies up and send them off on tangents that slow down how fast they gain the proper reference experiences to internalize the concepts of attraction.

It’s like knowing how to play the guitar and then telling someone how to play the trombone. Ya, they’re both music, and some principles can apply, but if your teaching contradicts the teaching of someone who’s playing the trombone regularly, you have to accept that your guitar is not the same instrument and that your advice isn’t relevant. It’s not a judgement call, it’s just knowing your limits.

“And another point I agree with you on is the emotional and hedonistic value of the LTR over the one night stand and quick fling lifestyle.”

A lot of PUAs have LTRs, oLTRs, mLTRs, marriages, children, you name it. The community is fully aware of the benefits (and downsides) of it. Reality is though, when you’re a newbie, the quick fling lifestyle that you could never have imagined yourself having is very alluring and having an LTR gives you an excuse to stop learning game way too soon before you’ve internalized the mindsets and you end up losing the girl and then saying “that game stuff doesn’t work!!!” because you were a White Belt martial artist picking street fights expecting to own everyone lol So the encouragement for flings is more for the newbie’s benefit than anything else. Most guys who’ve been in the game for a long time settle into an mLTR situation where they have one or two regular girlfriend girls, but those girls understand that they’ll go pick up random pussy now and then.

It’s also important to go through a fling stage so you learn what you do/don’t like in women and what behavior you will/won’t accept from one in an LTR. I’m sure you wouldn’t disagree with that.

“Of course so does excitement and novelty, however I’m a believer that one needs at minimum bouts of genuine romance.”

It only takes a few fucks before a girl starts falling in love. Vast majority of casual flings are very easy to turn into genuine romance…you just see the girl more than once a week, occasionally don’t have sex with her (just watch a movie or have dinner), and you’re well on your way to the love zone. I find it’s actually a lot trickier to AVOID that shit and keep things strictly to sex lol