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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 23:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A main point that I want to make with my comment here is that this idealization (beliefs) are taught by others (mainly religions) and learned (formed into beliefs). I started out as a teenager believing that sexuality was natural and normal. Then, gradually from relatives and religion (every week for years being brainwashed in christian churches and told to submit to this idealization or go to hell forever) that this is the idealization we &quot;have to&quot; live by. I would think to myself that I did not believe in this idealization as being true to my nature as a masculine man, but gradually against my inner will I started believing out of fear I had to live out this belief/idealization to not go to hell. Religion (many of the priests were homosexuals who were abusing boys) and going to church (mostly filled with old women) was turning me into a AFC. Because of poverty I stopped going to church and stopped listening to feminized religious tv shows, it took a few more years to un-learn this idealization and I now do NOT have these beliefs anymore. I have been learning about Game the last few years and have re-claimed my natural masculinity. My main point is that religion (especially christian churches) &quot;teach&quot;/brainwash men and women (especially men) to have the beliefs that form this idealization. If I did not have those years of poverty and therefore do not go to church anymore, then I would not have learned more about game and I would now still be an AFC stuck in living out the beliefs in this self-righteous/judgmental/non-masculine idealization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A main point that I want to make with my comment here is that this idealization (beliefs) are taught by others (mainly religions) and learned (formed into beliefs). I started out as a teenager believing that sexuality was natural and normal. Then, gradually from relatives and religion (every week for years being brainwashed in christian churches and told to submit to this idealization or go to hell forever) that this is the idealization we &#8220;have to&#8221; live by. I would think to myself that I did not believe in this idealization as being true to my nature as a masculine man, but gradually against my inner will I started believing out of fear I had to live out this belief/idealization to not go to hell. Religion (many of the priests were homosexuals who were abusing boys) and going to church (mostly filled with old women) was turning me into a AFC. Because of poverty I stopped going to church and stopped listening to feminized religious tv shows, it took a few more years to un-learn this idealization and I now do NOT have these beliefs anymore. I have been learning about Game the last few years and have re-claimed my natural masculinity. My main point is that religion (especially christian churches) &#8220;teach&#8221;/brainwash men and women (especially men) to have the beliefs that form this idealization. If I did not have those years of poverty and therefore do not go to church anymore, then I would not have learned more about game and I would now still be an AFC stuck in living out the beliefs in this self-righteous/judgmental/non-masculine idealization.</p>
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		<title>By: evilalpha</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 02:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The nature of woman is to be a whore. Any real christian with an understanding of the creation story would not have put any woman on a pedestal. 
And note that feminists hate Freud, but love to whip out his Madonna Whore complex as ammunition. Just sayin...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nature of woman is to be a whore. Any real christian with an understanding of the creation story would not have put any woman on a pedestal.<br />
And note that feminists hate Freud, but love to whip out his Madonna Whore complex as ammunition. Just sayin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: evilalpha</title>
		<link>http://therationalmale.com/2011/12/08/chasing-amy/comment-page-1/#comment-1809</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 02:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You do realize that the lead character of chasing Amy was a whore right? She was nicknamed fingercuffs by her High School peers because of a threesome where she took one dude in her mouth and another from behind.

I think the best motto to live by is... all women are sluts, never trust them until she proves otherwise. It&#039;s very practical and not nearly as feministy sounding as your advice that &quot;women are people too&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do realize that the lead character of chasing Amy was a whore right? She was nicknamed fingercuffs by her High School peers because of a threesome where she took one dude in her mouth and another from behind.</p>
<p>I think the best motto to live by is&#8230; all women are sluts, never trust them until she proves otherwise. It&#8217;s very practical and not nearly as feministy sounding as your advice that &#8220;women are people too&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rollo Tomassi</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As per usual you entirely miss the point of the essay while redirecting your moralistic disdain of Game with a slapdash of only vaguely coherent smatterings of loosely relevant sentences.

Firstly, I didn&#039;t write that article, a disillusioned Christian guy did. Amy was the focus of his and his peer&#039;s idealization, not mine per se.

Secondly, under the influence of your righteous indignation perhaps you skimmed over the part I did write:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I didn’t repost this story as some indictment of Christian culture, but rather as an example of how plugged-in men develop idealizations of their “Quality Woman.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This essay wasn&#039;t about christian hypocrisy, it was about plugged-in men&#039;s idealizations and the conflict they represent when the object of that idealization doesn&#039;t synch up with the reality of it. Yes, White Knights tend to suffer most from this delusion, but White Knightery is not exclusive to christian guys. Honestly, I think Amy was just doing what normal human women&#039;s hypergamy prompts them to. If anything I&#039;d defend her for doing what her imperative dictated she do. You can&#039;t blame a doberman for biting your hand when you wave a juicy steak in front of it; it&#039;s just doing what comes natural.

All I do is hold up a mirror. Whether a chump wants to look or not is up to him.

Might I suggest you read a bit more for comprehension next time? It&#039;ll save you a lot of keyboard time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As per usual you entirely miss the point of the essay while redirecting your moralistic disdain of Game with a slapdash of only vaguely coherent smatterings of loosely relevant sentences.</p>
<p>Firstly, I didn&#8217;t write that article, a disillusioned Christian guy did. Amy was the focus of his and his peer&#8217;s idealization, not mine per se.</p>
<p>Secondly, under the influence of your righteous indignation perhaps you skimmed over the part I did write:</p>
<blockquote><p>I didn’t repost this story as some indictment of Christian culture, but rather as an example of how plugged-in men develop idealizations of their “Quality Woman.”</p></blockquote>
<p>This essay wasn&#8217;t about christian hypocrisy, it was about plugged-in men&#8217;s idealizations and the conflict they represent when the object of that idealization doesn&#8217;t synch up with the reality of it. Yes, White Knights tend to suffer most from this delusion, but White Knightery is not exclusive to christian guys. Honestly, I think Amy was just doing what normal human women&#8217;s hypergamy prompts them to. If anything I&#8217;d defend her for doing what her imperative dictated she do. You can&#8217;t blame a doberman for biting your hand when you wave a juicy steak in front of it; it&#8217;s just doing what comes natural.</p>
<p>All I do is hold up a mirror. Whether a chump wants to look or not is up to him.</p>
<p>Might I suggest you read a bit more for comprehension next time? It&#8217;ll save you a lot of keyboard time.</p>
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		<title>By: King A</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahhh.  The gameboys try their hand at theology and comparative religion, and &lt;i&gt;surprise&lt;/i&gt;, they conclude it all just so much white knightery.  Again.  When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.  When all you have are facile philosophical categories to fit every observation into, you will cram each one in there by force if need be.

You are all a broken record and simply ignorant whereof you speak.

Let&#039;s try out this brain-bender, bros.  Maybe &lt;i&gt;Game&lt;/i&gt; is a religion too!  And a young and poorly thought-out one at that!  The brighter among you are creeping into metaphysics because you realize that, while technique is good to discern and practice, all technique must be grounded in reliable principles.  Religion is a conscious ritual based in exploration of those principles.  Now tell me how Game is any different from openly declaring a creed for the purpose of trying to remain true (faithful) to its precepts?

Why are we digging up the corpse of Amy Grant, old man?  Why not the fresher, more relevant, and more extreme example of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Hudson&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Katy Hudson&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;?

What mindlessly irreligious evangelists for Game fail to grasp -- though they understand it intra-game with their own students&#039; learning curve -- is the difference between respecting perfection, aspiring toward perfection, and failing in the aspiration.  But this is as old a Christian principle as there is:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. (Romans 7:16-20)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Exegese that.  I promise you, it will be more profitable than parsing Amy Grant lyrics and magazine quotes, or even Roissy &quot;Commandments.&quot;

We&#039;ve had women figured out ever since Eve.  The Enlightenment was the attempt to secularize the Christian principle -- Christianity without its Christ -- and &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is the source of white knightery, &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; is what &quot;has been fully consumed by the feminine imperative.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Your sweet little virgin wants to fuck, and your whore still wants to be a soccer mom.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Speak for your own daughters and wives, you slut rearing beta cuckold and father-pimp.  Your formulation is pithy, cute, and paint-eatingly stupid.  If your household has not prepared its distaff members for the ravages of indulging their hypergamy, that&#039;s the king&#039;s fault.  If your religion (or polity) has not prepared its female citizens and children for the ravages of indulging their hypergamy, that&#039;s the fault of the prevailing assumptions of the regime.

We faithful hold up examples of proper feminine behavior, even as they are mocked equally by feminists and gamers alike, and for this you conclude our ignorance about the truth of female nature.  We venerate images of the immaculate so that girls have a model to counter the temptations of their slatternly impulses.  You peremptorily decide their ability to resist such temptations to be impossible and therefore find any project to corral them to be quixotic.  That speaks more to the loose women in your life than it does about the ceiling on female virtue.

Amy Grant&#039;s fall from grace shocks no Christian.  Neither does Katy Perry&#039;s or Anne Rice&#039;s or Eve&#039;s.  Neither does yours or mine, or your daughters&#039; (whose numbers would you please provide me, pimp-daddy?).  That&#039;s what it means to say we are all sinners.  It&#039;s not, like, some humongo guilt trip, mannn, to harsh your buzz.  It&#039;s an imperative element in distinguishing what ideals men and women should follow despite the difficulty of pursuing perfection.  &quot;Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.&quot;

The idea that sinners&#039; stumbling proves the inevitability (or impossibility) of sin is the oldest trick in the book.  So, more than just innocent and stupid, you&#039;re repetitive and boring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh.  The gameboys try their hand at theology and comparative religion, and <i>surprise</i>, they conclude it all just so much white knightery.  Again.  When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.  When all you have are facile philosophical categories to fit every observation into, you will cram each one in there by force if need be.</p>
<p>You are all a broken record and simply ignorant whereof you speak.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s try out this brain-bender, bros.  Maybe <i>Game</i> is a religion too!  And a young and poorly thought-out one at that!  The brighter among you are creeping into metaphysics because you realize that, while technique is good to discern and practice, all technique must be grounded in reliable principles.  Religion is a conscious ritual based in exploration of those principles.  Now tell me how Game is any different from openly declaring a creed for the purpose of trying to remain true (faithful) to its precepts?</p>
<p>Why are we digging up the corpse of Amy Grant, old man?  Why not the fresher, more relevant, and more extreme example of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Hudson" rel="nofollow"><b>Katy Hudson</b></a>?</p>
<p>What mindlessly irreligious evangelists for Game fail to grasp &#8212; though they understand it intra-game with their own students&#8217; learning curve &#8212; is the difference between respecting perfection, aspiring toward perfection, and failing in the aspiration.  But this is as old a Christian principle as there is:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now if I do what I do not want, I agree that the law is good. So then it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells within me, that is, in my flesh. I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I that do it, but sin which dwells within me. (Romans 7:16-20)</p></blockquote>
<p>Exegese that.  I promise you, it will be more profitable than parsing Amy Grant lyrics and magazine quotes, or even Roissy &#8220;Commandments.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had women figured out ever since Eve.  The Enlightenment was the attempt to secularize the Christian principle &#8212; Christianity without its Christ &#8212; and <i>that</i> is the source of white knightery, <i>that</i> is what &#8220;has been fully consumed by the feminine imperative.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Your sweet little virgin wants to fuck, and your whore still wants to be a soccer mom.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Speak for your own daughters and wives, you slut rearing beta cuckold and father-pimp.  Your formulation is pithy, cute, and paint-eatingly stupid.  If your household has not prepared its distaff members for the ravages of indulging their hypergamy, that&#8217;s the king&#8217;s fault.  If your religion (or polity) has not prepared its female citizens and children for the ravages of indulging their hypergamy, that&#8217;s the fault of the prevailing assumptions of the regime.</p>
<p>We faithful hold up examples of proper feminine behavior, even as they are mocked equally by feminists and gamers alike, and for this you conclude our ignorance about the truth of female nature.  We venerate images of the immaculate so that girls have a model to counter the temptations of their slatternly impulses.  You peremptorily decide their ability to resist such temptations to be impossible and therefore find any project to corral them to be quixotic.  That speaks more to the loose women in your life than it does about the ceiling on female virtue.</p>
<p>Amy Grant&#8217;s fall from grace shocks no Christian.  Neither does Katy Perry&#8217;s or Anne Rice&#8217;s or Eve&#8217;s.  Neither does yours or mine, or your daughters&#8217; (whose numbers would you please provide me, pimp-daddy?).  That&#8217;s what it means to say we are all sinners.  It&#8217;s not, like, some humongo guilt trip, mannn, to harsh your buzz.  It&#8217;s an imperative element in distinguishing what ideals men and women should follow despite the difficulty of pursuing perfection.  &#8220;Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea that sinners&#8217; stumbling proves the inevitability (or impossibility) of sin is the oldest trick in the book.  So, more than just innocent and stupid, you&#8217;re repetitive and boring.</p>
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		<title>By: J.M.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What happens is that many don`t understand this:  The religions, ethic systems were designed to harness the human instincts, otherwise there would be no civilization to speak of, as simple as that.   If your instincts were on the loose, ALL of us would have been murdered and/or being murderers ourselves, since everyone at least once in his life has wanted to kill someone, either justified or unjustified.    The girls in the state of nature are nothing &quot;intermediate&quot; they are whores (at least 90%).   Without social conventions, shaming, human structures etc, that&#039;s their real nature, part of their reproductive strategy, just as all men would like our own harem, however since we all know the dynamics of society, we know female infidelity is worse than ours.

So if you want to have a family you&#039;ll have to pick al least one almost virgin (1-3 partners) if you want to have a chance, otherwise it will not work http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/wm303.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens is that many don`t understand this:  The religions, ethic systems were designed to harness the human instincts, otherwise there would be no civilization to speak of, as simple as that.   If your instincts were on the loose, ALL of us would have been murdered and/or being murderers ourselves, since everyone at least once in his life has wanted to kill someone, either justified or unjustified.    The girls in the state of nature are nothing &#8220;intermediate&#8221; they are whores (at least 90%).   Without social conventions, shaming, human structures etc, that&#8217;s their real nature, part of their reproductive strategy, just as all men would like our own harem, however since we all know the dynamics of society, we know female infidelity is worse than ours.</p>
<p>So if you want to have a family you&#8217;ll have to pick al least one almost virgin (1-3 partners) if you want to have a chance, otherwise it will not work <a href="http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/wm303.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/wm303.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;BEWARE OF MAKING A QUALITY WOMAN YOUR SUBSTITUTE FOR A ONEITIS IDEALIZATION&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 10:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Johnycomelately</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 05:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its interesting how despite social pressure, threats of violence, physical coercion, threats of existential death, appeals to religion, threats of being ostracised, financial disincentives etc. chicks will follow their natures one way or a another.

All a guy has to do is read one line or be told fact and they&#039;ll subvert their natures to some idealization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its interesting how despite social pressure, threats of violence, physical coercion, threats of existential death, appeals to religion, threats of being ostracised, financial disincentives etc. chicks will follow their natures one way or a another.</p>
<p>All a guy has to do is read one line or be told fact and they&#8217;ll subvert their natures to some idealization.</p>
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