And I will agree that there is a lot to be preferred here. Just saying that even though it can be a better initial working material, you can’t just find some girl you like, and seduce her. I’ve found a great deal of molding must take place. Yes, even here. I could write a long post about the incredible changes this particular girl of mine has undergone under my hand. And I could write other posts about other girls. A huge part of creating a workable relationship is changing the girl into something she never considered to become. My current girl would be completely unacceptable in nearly every way other than looks before I changed her. And that process is ongoing. As of now she’s more than acceptable. Changing a girl to be acceptable requires a skill set that you don’t hear about much. That skill set changes what is possible in life. And that skill set I will argue and I do believe can be applied cross culturally. It is basic operant conditioning, plus deep understandings of how women work. Day by day you mold a woman, day by day she is not the same girl you first met. Day by day she loves you more and does your bidding more and becomes what you want her to become.

I’m not talking about finding some great girl and seducing her.

I’m imagining that it’s the same basic challenge – to gain hand and get a woman who does not want to do your bidding to do your bidding and love it.

If you imagine thats an easy task here in SE Asia, please try to understand that it is a challenge here also.

I hear you thought that women in SE Asia at least play up their femininity, usually. My current girl was a major tomboy, to the point of being near butch, however. I’ve had to make her feminine. She was also your basic independent feminist minded woman. I had to make her something completely different.

I’m not sure if your assumptions are correct. It is a skill to start with poor working materials and create art.

I think you would be surprised what can be done. And I guess you’d be surprised how much needs to be done even here – this is no place where girls are magical unicorns.

With american girls the costs don’t outweigh the benefits because women aren’t held to any kind of standard of femininity. They utterly fail to inspire masculinity in me. These women DON’T deserve the effort. These days I only put forth minimal effort to get my needs met. That’s it.

When a guy asks a question like this you need to temper your answer with the knowledge that he is probably living in a completely different environment than you.

Women have changed to improve mating over the years, they just have to change again. 150 years ago, cosmetics, hair dye and other such things were not mainstream. Charm and chastity were emphasized to attract a man, but not sexyness to keep him. Though status and money are not sexual attractors for men, they most certainly were mating attractors. A woman without dowery, wealth or equal or above social status or title would have a hard time getting a husband. She’d have to take a gamble that her face would be her fortune. Working has levelled that requirement somewhat.

Give it a little time. A lot of women are still under the impression that they’ve done all the changing and think that men haven’t. They’re still under the impression that discarding charm and femininity is something that was desired in order to gain mens respect and favour.

Let me riff on that. The costs to gaming girls is doing things that are uncomfortable. With practice these things become not only more comfortable, but second nature and natural. The pain of drama never entirely disappears, but it becomes much more bearable.

The rewards can be more than currently imagined. A woman who loves and dotes makes a mans heart wake up and go to sleep warm and sweet. That’s a priceless reward. Great sex where two people mingle in ecstatic union is nothing to sniff at. An easy warm companionship where a glance holds a wealth of friendship and an understanding of mutual purpose makes life more than bearable; simple interactions become ongoing pleasures.